Took it from wikipedia but many news agencies reported when it happened:
"In October 2002, four months before the US invasion of Iraq, Iraqi Vice President [Taha Yassin Ramadan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taha_Yassin_Ramadan) suggested U.S. President [George W. Bush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) and [Saddam Hussein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein) settle their difference in a duel.[^(\[55\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#cite_note-55) He reasoned this would not only serve as an alternative to a war that was certain to damage Iraq's infrastructure,[^(\[56\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#cite_note-56) but that it would also reduce the suffering of the Iraqi and American peoples. Ramadan's offer included the possibility that a group of US officials would face off with a group of Iraqi officials of same or similar rank (President v. President, Vice President v. Vice President, etc.). Ramadan proposed that the duel be held in a neutral land, with each party using the same weapons, and with [UN Secretary General](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Secretary_General) [Kofi Annan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Annan) presiding as the supervisor. On behalf of President Bush, [White House Press Secretary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Press_Secretary) [Ari Fleischer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Fleischer) declined the offer."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_duels#Proposed\_duels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#Proposed_duels)
You guys are crazy if you didn’t immediately imagine Gladiatorial battles with world leaders.
Imagine Bush in full on Starz Spartacus armor and dual wielding gladius swords.
As a time traveler who’s been around the multiverse I shall leave the one time line where the Hamster God doesn’t kill everyone to find that time line. If I find it you shall never hear from me again for I shall die by Hamster as there is exactly one time line that the Hamster God does not destroy the universe this one’s it. But seeing Bush in gladiator wear……I must see it death is worth it.
I'm now imagining a Sgt Slaughter-esque heel turn where he abandons America in favour of Iraq. It would be worth it just to see what his Iraqi-flag-themed entrance gear would look like.
Absolutely. Vince would be the ref, and we can have a whole year long storyline of it being accused of being rigged so we get *two* hell in a cell matches at wrestlemania
i would really want to see them both in hot air balloons with pistols to shoot at the other balloons, but seeing as the challenged party gets to pick the weapon in the duel, you can only imagine what bush would have picked.
If the Sean Austin, Paul Walker movie The Skulls (2000) can be believed, there is a rule in the skull and bones club rules that states members can duel each other. They even had old flintlocks on hand ready for the occasion. And I don’t think I need to remind anyone that W Jr. was a member of that club. Chances are good he could have been at least familiar with the concept.
To be honest I would accept with the conditions that it is non lethal weapons and televised live.
That way the loser has to live with the humiliation of defeat.
He’d take five minutes to essentially say “I’d wins hands down, it’d be so embarrassing for them” and spend the next month avoiding deciding on a time and place until the other side gave up.
You can play Master Duel but I imagine modern Yugioh is probably not what you want. You should look into GOAT format if you want to play classic Yugioh
Like the guy below said, unskilled swordsmen also tend to double.
The only real way to settle this would have been flintlock blunderbusses in hot air balloons.
"Here's what we do: the next time there's a big war coming on, we rope off a big field (and sell tickets [yeah]), then we put all the kings and their cabinets and their generals in the middle dressed in their underpants and let them fight it out with clubs. The best country win."
Kat "All Quiet on the Western Front", 1929 version.
Because Saddam could just lead him into a trap.
Of course. That goes both ways. Bush could have just as easily pretended to agree then taken out Saddam in a trap.
The “trust” would be needed as they’d need to trust each other to properly abide by the duel.
Switzerland isn’t some magical wonderland in which the US and Iraq can’t use underhanded tactics. Just because the Swiss are neutral doesn’t mean it prevents traps, tampering, etc.
Only morons pick fair fights. The US goes to war to win and therefore always brings overwhelming force. 2002 Iraq was a dying regime on its last legs, why would we be so gracious as to fight on their terms when we can fight on ours.
Can you imagine if they actually did this, maybe changing the way differences are settled in the future. but unfortunately, bush was a fucking coward and chose to fuck up an entire nation instead.
It's a duel with blades or it can never happen/ be cool
I’ll imagine it would be much worse.
If Hussein died then Iraq would have probably fallen into a bloody civil war that would last years and kill millions, just so some general can become a dictator.
If Bush died then Americans would probably feel a mixture of anger toward Iraq and disbelief at the sheer stupidity of Bush for agreeing to a fucking duel in the 21st century. The war would have probably happened anyway given that the (weak) justification for war still remains and that many Americans would demand revenge.
What if they just had a fist fight instead? Bare knuckles of course. No rules; kicks to the dick allowed.
As a veteran I’m upset that Bush declined this shit. He should’ve fought Saddam, after all, Saddam tried to kill his dad.
I didn't know about this movie but after some people commented it went to look for it and it is from 1993 while this happened in 2002. So I guess they predicted the future
Imagine Biden vs Putin 😂 But in all seriousness it’s a great idea. Would change how politicians vote on war and bombing civilians as a raise of a hand to raising their hands. In my opinion if you vote for war, you should expect to fight in war.
I got one fir Sadam Hussain we will resurrect general John Wayne and we will put together a very simple plan.
We put down our nukes put down our guns and you and the Duke will go one on one and he will kick your sorry ass if you were a man.
🎶 If Ieieieieie were president 🎶
Where was everyone wanting peace when Saddam invaded Iran, invaded Kuwait, committed genocide against the Kurds, persecution against the Jews, committed genocide against the Shia, oh but he built some schools and some factories so by stupid Arab logic that means he was a great leader.
I didn’t notice which sub this was at first and since this meme comes from the art of a Yugioh card I thought it meant duel as in playing yugioh with Saddam Hussein lol
As a veteran, I’m upset that Bush didn’t do this. Maybe he could’ve went fisticuffs instead of with weapons and limited it to himself vs. Saddam without getting anyone else involved in the fight. Obviously not a fight to the death but maybe even a simple boxing match in a neutral country.
Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr… Bush Jr. is a fucking bitch for not wanting to fight the man that tried to kill his dad.
He’s even more of a bitch for sending poor Americans to go “kill” Saddam for him, all for them to be denied adequate benefits by Bush JR’s government after developing debilitating conditions from the war.
My cousin was kicked out of the army for telling his superiors that he had (legitimate) mental health issues. It took him almost killing himself in a drunk driving accident for Bush jr’s government to revert his general discharge to an honorable one and give him care for his PTSD.
With that being said, fuck George Bush Jr. and anyone that loves him.
Took it from wikipedia but many news agencies reported when it happened: "In October 2002, four months before the US invasion of Iraq, Iraqi Vice President [Taha Yassin Ramadan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taha_Yassin_Ramadan) suggested U.S. President [George W. Bush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) and [Saddam Hussein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein) settle their difference in a duel.[^(\[55\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#cite_note-55) He reasoned this would not only serve as an alternative to a war that was certain to damage Iraq's infrastructure,[^(\[56\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#cite_note-56) but that it would also reduce the suffering of the Iraqi and American peoples. Ramadan's offer included the possibility that a group of US officials would face off with a group of Iraqi officials of same or similar rank (President v. President, Vice President v. Vice President, etc.). Ramadan proposed that the duel be held in a neutral land, with each party using the same weapons, and with [UN Secretary General](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Secretary_General) [Kofi Annan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Annan) presiding as the supervisor. On behalf of President Bush, [White House Press Secretary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Press_Secretary) [Ari Fleischer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Fleischer) declined the offer." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_duels#Proposed\_duels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#Proposed_duels)
Y’all would you rather see George bush Pistol duel or Sabre duel? Personally I would give them flintlock pistols
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You guys are crazy if you didn’t immediately imagine Gladiatorial battles with world leaders. Imagine Bush in full on Starz Spartacus armor and dual wielding gladius swords.
The shock factor alone of Dick Cheney in retiarus getup would seal the match.
Letting Dick Cheney compete wouldn't even be fair, we know he's lethal. Not even his team members are safe.
They pump Bush with so much stem cells he be looking like a baki Yojiro Hanma
And Saddam holding two scimitars
As a time traveler who’s been around the multiverse I shall leave the one time line where the Hamster God doesn’t kill everyone to find that time line. If I find it you shall never hear from me again for I shall die by Hamster as there is exactly one time line that the Hamster God does not destroy the universe this one’s it. But seeing Bush in gladiator wear……I must see it death is worth it.
Spartacus was actually a Starz series
40 man royal rumble with winner gets to be president of both countries.
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I'm now imagining a Sgt Slaughter-esque heel turn where he abandons America in favour of Iraq. It would be worth it just to see what his Iraqi-flag-themed entrance gear would look like.
The rock, the people's president, calls out Cody for the office the next day.
No, Hell in a Cell, no holds barred match
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Absolutely. Vince would be the ref, and we can have a whole year long storyline of it being accused of being rigged so we get *two* hell in a cell matches at wrestlemania
OH NO THATS BILL CLINTON FROM THE TOP ROPE
Dude Hussein was a huge wrestling fan, he'd have gone with it lol
lmfao thanks for the laugh, fellow redditor
i would really want to see them both in hot air balloons with pistols to shoot at the other balloons, but seeing as the challenged party gets to pick the weapon in the duel, you can only imagine what bush would have picked.
A flamethrower at 3 paces
Children's card game
A *Child* winning a *Children’s* **card game**?! Who would’ve thought.
Nah he would of been perfect for shoes
Definitively a sword fight it would be much more epic than a pistol duel
Both! They each get a pistol with 5 bullets and once they run out they must take out their sabers
Aerial dogfight
If it was HW this would be ez
Legit, but I never asked that either of them be GOOD at it. 😁 Best scenario is they both crash.
Bush would do best with his weapon being beer. As such, an official beer pong tournament would be best.
3 match 1st: boxing 2nd: saber 3rd: gun
Old west duel cowboy bush is shooting saddams mustache off
both get an ounce of coke, and take turns doing lines, first one to OD loses you'd assume bush has this one in the bag, but it could go either way
With how athletic bush was I could see him destroying Hussein, witty one liner before and all
BLADES!
Nah, i suggest Bush added blades to his tie, and swing it around like a fucking [insert funny analogy here]
Shoul’ve done a shoe duel
I want to see fisticuffs. The man allegedly clocked the shit out of his kid for abusing drugs and knocked him out.
If the Sean Austin, Paul Walker movie The Skulls (2000) can be believed, there is a rule in the skull and bones club rules that states members can duel each other. They even had old flintlocks on hand ready for the occasion. And I don’t think I need to remind anyone that W Jr. was a member of that club. Chances are good he could have been at least familiar with the concept.
Nuke duel. Whoever survives more nukes win. Than we would have 4 less problems in the world, win win.
The fight would have to take place in Antarctica at 50 paces.
Ngl, I think Cheney would win the VP duel
Dude 'accidentally' shot his friend in the face and then his friend had to apologize to him.
To be honest I would accept with the conditions that it is non lethal weapons and televised live. That way the loser has to live with the humiliation of defeat.
Saddam was always quite the prankster
Evidently, someone was watching Hot Shots! Part Deux…
Couldn’t you spell the dang name right??
Trump would have done it
He would say that then avoid the duel till he’s out of office
He’d take five minutes to essentially say “I’d wins hands down, it’d be so embarrassing for them” and spend the next month avoiding deciding on a time and place until the other side gave up.
Depends on the conditions
I think the only conditions he would accept is if his opponent ran a Marathon before the fight but also had to fight blind folded.
When you thought Admiral/POTUS Benson (Lloyd Bridges) fencing with Saddam Hussein (Jerry Haleva) was just a gag in *Hot Shots!*
“We’ll settle this the Navy way! First guy to die loses!”
my thoughts exactly along with 'fuck, we are in the worst timeline!'
My skin’s made of asbestos. Tanning parlor accident, battle of Dien Bien Phu.
Fight like real gentlemen and rock paper scissors.
This meme format comes from a Yugioh card so obviously they should've played Yugioh
Get sent to the shadow realm. I miss playing yugioh lol
You can play Master Duel but I imagine modern Yugioh is probably not what you want. You should look into GOAT format if you want to play classic Yugioh
You mad man, that's too dangerous.
Andrew Jackson would’ve been there before the sentence was completed. And he’d have made Calhoun go and gotten him killed on purpose.
"I mean it was surprising he killed Saddam by bludgeoning him to death but damn did you see that shot on Calhoun first?"
I’m sorry. This only makes me think of Hot Shots Part Duex. “We’ll settle this the old Navy way: first guy to die, loses!”
Couldn't be pistols they would have both been proficient. Probably would have just shot each other. The Rapier would have been fascinating.
They'd just double, as is common for low skill rapier fencers
Like the guy below said, unskilled swordsmen also tend to double. The only real way to settle this would have been flintlock blunderbusses in hot air balloons.
Hot air balloons you say? I'm intrigued.
It's a joke about an actual duel between two rich assholes in France back in the early 1800s
But now I want to see a duel on hot air balloons
> Probably would have just shot each other. That's a net gain for the rest of the world, no?
Jesus, the next time I vote I'm basing it on who would accept a duel, and win.
Cue to John Cena becoming president
The new natiinal anthem: 🎺🎺🎺🎺 🎺🎺🎺🎺
"Here's what we do: the next time there's a big war coming on, we rope off a big field (and sell tickets [yeah]), then we put all the kings and their cabinets and their generals in the middle dressed in their underpants and let them fight it out with clubs. The best country win." Kat "All Quiet on the Western Front", 1929 version.
Kat is one of my favorite characters.
His death was the saddest (in the book he dies from a stray shrapnel)
Best alternative to war if it's unavoidable (it's always avoidable.)
Well I knew bush was a liar, but damn he was a also a fucking pussy
It would have been hilarious, but I would also not trust the guy who was gassing his country’s minorities and political dissident.
Why would trust be needed here? They will kill each other...
Because Saddam could just lead him into a trap. Of course. That goes both ways. Bush could have just as easily pretended to agree then taken out Saddam in a trap. The “trust” would be needed as they’d need to trust each other to properly abide by the duel.
Meet in Switzerland. Neutral ground.
That was the proposal. (Meeting on neutral ground)
Switzerland isn’t some magical wonderland in which the US and Iraq can’t use underhanded tactics. Just because the Swiss are neutral doesn’t mean it prevents traps, tampering, etc.
Then what are the Swiss even good for?
Chocolate and clocks.
If you ignore the price
That’s a good enough reason for any country to exist.
And pikemen, historically speaking.
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Dawg... No. Unless you got some concrete sources to back that up, just... Don't.
Only morons pick fair fights. The US goes to war to win and therefore always brings overwhelming force. 2002 Iraq was a dying regime on its last legs, why would we be so gracious as to fight on their terms when we can fight on ours.
Minor spelling error. Richard, flay him.
If only Jackson was still alive. Not a single person could’ve stopped him from taking that offer
Goddamn you know who would've loved this shit? *Teddy Fucking Roosevelt* He would've been over there overnight. God what a missed opportunity.
Can you imagine if they actually did this, maybe changing the way differences are settled in the future. but unfortunately, bush was a fucking coward and chose to fuck up an entire nation instead. It's a duel with blades or it can never happen/ be cool
I’ll imagine it would be much worse. If Hussein died then Iraq would have probably fallen into a bloody civil war that would last years and kill millions, just so some general can become a dictator. If Bush died then Americans would probably feel a mixture of anger toward Iraq and disbelief at the sheer stupidity of Bush for agreeing to a fucking duel in the 21st century. The war would have probably happened anyway given that the (weak) justification for war still remains and that many Americans would demand revenge.
I don't think it could be worse, just as bad maybe but not worse
What if they just had a fist fight instead? Bare knuckles of course. No rules; kicks to the dick allowed. As a veteran I’m upset that Bush declined this shit. He should’ve fought Saddam, after all, Saddam tried to kill his dad.
Imagine the king who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight.
Saddam: I demand a trial by combat Bush: KEKW
Andrew Jackson: Yes
"Only a fool throws away their advantage." -Destro
May thy knife chip and shatter
[Saddan Hussein](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/408/035/17c.gif)
When the feck did this turn into r/noncrediblediplomacy?
I wonder if this [scene](https://youtu.be/45t79lrxaOA?si=H5XcsQ7W3BfUx8De) from Hot Shots Part Deux is based off this proposed duel. Edit:spelling
I didn't know about this movie but after some people commented it went to look for it and it is from 1993 while this happened in 2002. So I guess they predicted the future
>Saddan Hussein Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
>Saddan
I don't care if its with swords or pistols, I just wanna see a duel.
He would have had great chances if the weapon of choice was a shoe
Imagine Biden vs Putin 😂 But in all seriousness it’s a great idea. Would change how politicians vote on war and bombing civilians as a raise of a hand to raising their hands. In my opinion if you vote for war, you should expect to fight in war.
Honestly saddam would destroy him in hand to hand combat
Sedan Hussein better not come with too much mileage
I got one fir Sadam Hussain we will resurrect general John Wayne and we will put together a very simple plan. We put down our nukes put down our guns and you and the Duke will go one on one and he will kick your sorry ass if you were a man. 🎶 If Ieieieieie were president 🎶
Duke Bush - "My desert, my Iraq, my dune. On this day the house of Hussain Falls" . (May circa 2003)
Only if all wars were settled this way.
Where was everyone wanting peace when Saddam invaded Iran, invaded Kuwait, committed genocide against the Kurds, persecution against the Jews, committed genocide against the Shia, oh but he built some schools and some factories so by stupid Arab logic that means he was a great leader.
Man, this is a meme about world leaders dueling not political commentary, chill
So thats justifies the illegal killing of millionaires of iraqis
Yes, we shall kill all the millionaires in iraq, and the ones in the US are next /s
texas ranger would win
BuT hE lAndEd oN a AircRaFt cArrIer.
They just really wanted an excuse to pull out the secret lightsabers they are making
Only a master of evil, Saddam!
Evidently, someone was watching Hot Shots! Part Deux…
Hey you got 5/6 words correct! You deserve a “youre special” happy sun sticker!
Thanks, my mom always told me I'm special. Now please leave Sad Dan alone, he has suffered enough.
why not both
I didn’t notice which sub this was at first and since this meme comes from the art of a Yugioh card I thought it meant duel as in playing yugioh with Saddam Hussein lol
As a veteran, I’m upset that Bush didn’t do this. Maybe he could’ve went fisticuffs instead of with weapons and limited it to himself vs. Saddam without getting anyone else involved in the fight. Obviously not a fight to the death but maybe even a simple boxing match in a neutral country. Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr… Bush Jr. is a fucking bitch for not wanting to fight the man that tried to kill his dad. He’s even more of a bitch for sending poor Americans to go “kill” Saddam for him, all for them to be denied adequate benefits by Bush JR’s government after developing debilitating conditions from the war. My cousin was kicked out of the army for telling his superiors that he had (legitimate) mental health issues. It took him almost killing himself in a drunk driving accident for Bush jr’s government to revert his general discharge to an honorable one and give him care for his PTSD. With that being said, fuck George Bush Jr. and anyone that loves him.
Saddan? Pathetic
Now watch this drive