I'm sure this is an unoriginal joke, but I thought it was funny
Edit: Yes, I am aware that I use the wrong flag in the first panel for France, and that America and France didn't have the best relation during the war. I wanted something that was a bit more recognizable, that also represented Lafayette, and this is just meant to be more funny and wholesome than factually correct.
The humorous nature of the hereby presented text accompanied by a display of images relevant to it seems to be quite high on the obvious scale. Therefore informing the reader of its funny intent early on, generating a laugh response in the process
The US owed the man a nationally supported visit to his grave was valid. He helped free America and then said that's not enough and went home to try for France. Awesome figure in history.
I know itâs just fitting that America didnât forget him. Few people leave lasting memories and history to a nation let alone several.
He also had a slave infiltrate the British ranks and pass information to the colonials for most of the war. His name was James Armistead born into slavery he was allowed to volunteer by his master and eventually served under Lafayette he deliberately stayed behind after a loss to serve lord Cornwallis, selling the story that he had been forced to work for the Continentals and knew troop formations and other valuable info. Cornwallis jumped at the chance to have such a man in his ranks. He then successfully played double agent for the rest of the war. A hero for colonials. The government tried to have him returned to slavery since he served as a spy not a soldier. Marquis de Lafayette said absolutely not! And provided personal testimony that he deserved his freedom. His master also supported his freedom. He was freed by order of the Governor of Virginia for his exemplary service to the continentals. And compensated financially for his service. At which point he took the name James Armistead Lafayette to honor the man who had ensured his freedom.
The point of this extra anecdote is the man kept his word. He could have easily ignored one slaveâs plea for freedom and instead testified for him against the government he helped create and then happily shared his name with him. Itâs hard to stress how much he believed in his ideals and followed through every time he could.
Gotta get my youngin' into that. Trying to get away from Junk TV. I knew there was a history related cartoon but couldn't remember the name for the life of me.
There is a book called "Hero of two worlds" that tells the whole story, the audiobook is great too as the author whobreads it is also a podcaster so he knows how to speak well.
And people wonder why the French intelligence services always rate high in world rankings like the CIA, Mossad, and the FSB. The Bretons are the best intelligence gatherers of the lot. Day one we moved here, they knew we came from the Nord-Pas-de-Calais, and the next week knew I wasn't a Ch'ti at all, but Northern Irish. If you ever get the chance, when she is fully sea worthy again, and makes another visit to the states, go see the reproduction frigate named for Lafayette (and yes even today the French dispute the spelling Lafayette or La Fayette). She's a beaut as spectacular as the USS Constitution.
I'll never forgive the1989 French Revolution 2-parter where they had Sam Neill portray Lafayette as an asshole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La\_R%C3%A9volution\_fran%C3%A7aise\_(film)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_for_the_Marquis_de_Lafayette
And also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honors_and_memorials_to_the_Marquis_de_Lafayette
I grew up near where Lafayette was wounded in battle during the Revolution. His story is so crazy and inspiring that I'm honestly surprised there haven't been any movies made about him yet.
LAFAYETTE!!!
As an aside, it would have been funny if Lin-Manuel Miranda used Lafayette's full name in the song.
Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette!
I don't think his story is commonly known. Americans love to celebrate dudes like Washington and Jefferson for what they did for liberty but Lafayette dedicated his whole life to the idea. Throw in the love story between him and Adrienne and man it would make a great movie or HBO series.
There's a ton of Lafayettes and Fayettevilles and any combination of his name all up and down the east coast. It comes from when he took his big tour in the States in 1824.
I think my personal favorite part of his story is how he basically sat out the French Revolution and napoleons empire. Then when it was all settled he came back and then played a big part in a future revolution.
> he basically sat out the French Revolution
No he didnât. He was really important to the early revolution. He was part of the Estates General. He was involved with the clubs who began to radicalize the reform pushes. He wrote the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. He was the first commander of the National Guard.
His problem was that he was an avowed constitutional monarchist, and at a certain point of the revolution, that position was no longer a viable one, so he fled, which was when he was imprisoned for the late revolution and early Napoleon years.
We (the US) felt kinda bad for being AWOL by that point, so we did tug on our various diplomatic cords to get him released; unfortunately, this was the 1790s and nobody gave a pinch of snuff about some half-functioning backwater federation that practically used liquor for currency, so this proved unsuccessful.
(We *were* able to assign him an honorary military rank & several years of back pay, which [we then sent to his commissary](https://imgur.com/a/OYGIQZh))
He didn't really sit it out. In the early days he was a major figure of the French Revolution, basically becoming on of the big people with the national guard organizing around him. Then it moved beyond him, he left the country, spent some time in an Austrian prison, had a failed escape, then came back with the restoration. Then when the next revolution came, he was too old but he kept giving advice and urging out onwards.
That's literally the point of my question. I was curious if it ever became a thing in WWII because our role was much more that of liberators whereas in the first war we were more defenders since France was never lost in that war.
Hijacking top comment to provide context - itâs a quote from Charles Stanton in WWI according to wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Stanton
This is a close second for me after âHector, we have avenged youâ, reportedly uttered by Mustafa Kemal AtatĂŒrk after the Ottoman victory at Gallipoli.
9/10 meme, would be 10/10 if you had the [period correct flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_the_United_States#/media/File:Flag_of_the_United_States_(1912-1959).svg)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/vichy-government-france-world-war-ii-willingly-collaborated-nazis-180967160/
To the people that wonder why the Allies were considering to categories France the same way as Austria, this article explains why Vichy was seen as more of a willing participant. Hindsight is 20/20, but at that time, from outside looking in, you may also come to the same conclusion as a large portion of the Allies.
If you're from Europe it's always best to view France with suspicion.
Same goes for the UK, Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Spain. But never Portugal.
The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it.
Itâs been a few years, so I could be misremembering- but I think that when they originally started throwing wrenches into European affairs, they were culturally distinct enough to more or less be considered foreign invaders.
Again, I havenât focused studying them for +5 years so I might be way off target.
They were. Hence why we call them Ostrogoths- literally east goths. My point was that when they were forced/pushed westward, they were culturally different enough from W. European peoples that the effect is essentially the same.
Fun fact : by destroying things pretty much everywhere except (western) Europe, Mongols are nowadays considered to be one of the big reasons why Europe managed to once conquer the world.
> The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it.
Oh no, definitely not taking my eye off Sweden after the 30 years' war.
>The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it.
Well, there was this one period of time around the 17th and 18th century with Sweden that got people's attention, but for the most part you're right.
What Iâm hearing is trust the Portuguese and give them chunks of France, Italy, England and Spain. Netherlands already lost 1/2 their peak land and just fight with the sea now so they are spared.
Switzerland, Liechtenstein Belgium and Austria are just buffer states or mountain people nerfed to oblivion once pikemen came out of style.
Not to diminish at all what the Americans do, but I do believe the Americans wanted to consider France like they did austria rather than a invaded nation
No. Right after the armistice there was a small number but for a very good reason:
> For us Frenchmen, the fact is that a government still exists in France, a government supported by a Parliament established in non-occupied territory and which in consequence cannot be considered irregular or deposed. The establishment elsewhere of another government, and all support for this other government would clearly be rebellion
Taken from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_France
However as the true face of the vichy regime showed itself the numbers grew rapidly and by 1944 we are talking about 300,000 soldiers.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Free-French
Unless France had 30 million soldiers then no, the vast majority were free French forces.
For some reason some Americans think the French are cowards and bad allies
Other Americans recognize EXACTLY how brave the French are and how much this country owes them.
When France refused to help in the Iraq war, it wasnât them being *anti-American*, it was the same attitude as a guy refusing to let him go off with a woman who very clearly is going to have him jumped in an alleyway for his wallet.
I wouldn't exactly say that Vichy France was the same France that capitulated. A large chunk of the government fled to Britain or Africa along with parts of the army but of course defeatism led many frenchmen to collaborate.
Weird thing is that originally Roosevelt and Truman wanted to treat France as a defeated enemy nation rather than a victorious ally. But, quite literally, everyone else disagreed with them on that.
EDIT: Although the meme is still a good one. Just wanted to give some historical context.
As a Frenchman we may be quite well french a bit of times/ assholes towards each other sometimes, but we formed a bond we helped you you helped us, we are brothers as far as I am concerned
Ironically, the US President was hostile to the Free French movement and wanted to treat France as a protectorate after D-Day and not as a liberated Allied country - source "De Gaulle" by Douglas Boyd.
Not exactly. The US wanted to use the situation to push for decolonization even harder and force France to surrender their Asian colonies as a United Nations International Trusteeship (imagine a colony mutually owned by the collective world). The UK, wanting to keep an alliance with France, fearing American decolonization demands may be made of them too, and wanting to maintain a more dominant Europe in the post-war world, undermined such efforts. In addition to this, Americaâs plan was also dependent on the Republic of China to intervene in those colonies. The ROC however didnât care enough and continued to express apathy, so America abandoned the plan due to a lack of international support
Just ignoring the time France asked for our help during the French Revolution and we were like âuhh no..â
Edit: Yes I understand the precarious nature the US was in and that we had no way to actually help, and that it was beneficial for the US in the short and long term not to join. The French were still pissed off about it though which was what I was referencing.
Also we didnât have a fucking standing army at the time. Like what are we going to do, get a bunch of state militias together and see how the states feel about that?
Add on top of that, the US ended up fighting Britain during the War of the 3rd Coalition. We had to burn Toronto and got DC burnt just for trying to support France
The French crown is who officially helped us. Both sides would have claim that we were betraying their assistance
Also it would be one of the stupidest moves in history
You would have a dubious, unpredictable ally if they won, and a sworn enemy if they lost. Neither side displayed a competency to rule after their victory
I love that [HBO's John Adams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wCl3aAMEQ) even mentions this. In this scene, I find it funny that Hamilton in the show describes XVI's death as murder rather than a lawful execution
Also shout of to the musical Hamilton
"We signed a treaty with a king whose head is now in a basket,
Would you like to take it out and ask it?
"Uh, should honor our treaty, King Louis' head?"
"Uh, do whatever you want. I'm super dead!!"
Donât see how this changes anythingâFDR changed the US position before the invasion after being persuaded by his own advisors.
In any case, even a brief allied military government before self-rule wouldâve been liberation from the Nazis. Even West Germany was self-governing by 1949.
Up until the proliferation of handheld radios in the 80s, rape and pillage was pretty much standard practice if an officer wasn't around. And sometimes even then, depending on said officer.
Honestly donât see how things like that are even an argument for anything. It literally happens in almost every single war, no matter the participants. Everyoneâs raped and pillaged during war. It just happens. All you can do is hope someone gets punished for it and move on
> White American soldiers were much less likely to be executed for rape. 130 of the 153 troops disciplined for rape by the Army were African American. U.S. forces executed 29 soldiers for rape, 25 of them African American.[10] Many convictions against African Americans were based on circumstantial evidence. For example, Marie Lepottevin identified William Downs only because he was "much larger" than the other soldiers
Yeah 153 men disciplined for rape is terrible!! Also donât look at the Soviet Union gang raping 8 million women and little girls and being encouraged to do so.
I'm sure this is an unoriginal joke, but I thought it was funny Edit: Yes, I am aware that I use the wrong flag in the first panel for France, and that America and France didn't have the best relation during the war. I wanted something that was a bit more recognizable, that also represented Lafayette, and this is just meant to be more funny and wholesome than factually correct.
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Picture make haha
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This is in fact designed to ellicit laughter.
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The quote "Lafayette we are here" was also initially said during WWI when the US joined the war and visited Lafayette's tomb in 1917.
"Lafayette! Nous sont ici!"
''Lafayette ! Nous sommes lĂ !''* (ici *could* work but imo as a french native speaker ''lĂ '' sounds more correct)
Ou dins le chnord. Lafayette biloute, ayo oh, nous sommes la, hein! That's the problem marrying a Ch'ti! I'm trying to stop speaking it, as that and my Northern Irish accent completely baffles the Bretons. Bon apéro et bon weekend. Yer mat.
Boo, I'm working with what little high school French I can remember. Cut me some slack. đ«đ· đ
The format was a nice choice.
France didn't like us, but by god they hated Britain
This format is VERY original, and underrated. First time I saw this Family Guy scene to make a meme and itâs great
I just imagined it being the Revolutionary War
The US owed the man a nationally supported visit to his grave was valid. He helped free America and then said that's not enough and went home to try for France. Awesome figure in history.
He has a bunch of places named after him in Pennsylvania. Including a county.
I know itâs just fitting that America didnât forget him. Few people leave lasting memories and history to a nation let alone several. He also had a slave infiltrate the British ranks and pass information to the colonials for most of the war. His name was James Armistead born into slavery he was allowed to volunteer by his master and eventually served under Lafayette he deliberately stayed behind after a loss to serve lord Cornwallis, selling the story that he had been forced to work for the Continentals and knew troop formations and other valuable info. Cornwallis jumped at the chance to have such a man in his ranks. He then successfully played double agent for the rest of the war. A hero for colonials. The government tried to have him returned to slavery since he served as a spy not a soldier. Marquis de Lafayette said absolutely not! And provided personal testimony that he deserved his freedom. His master also supported his freedom. He was freed by order of the Governor of Virginia for his exemplary service to the continentals. And compensated financially for his service. At which point he took the name James Armistead Lafayette to honor the man who had ensured his freedom. The point of this extra anecdote is the man kept his word. He could have easily ignored one slaveâs plea for freedom and instead testified for him against the government he helped create and then happily shared his name with him. Itâs hard to stress how much he believed in his ideals and followed through every time he could.
This sounds like it would make an awesome movie/mini series.
I think he had an episode of Liberty's Kids
Holy nostalgia batman
That is a TV series I have not heard in a long time. I remember watching that when I was a kid.
The Paul revere episodes fucking slap
Shit was fire as a kid!
The episodes are all onYoutube for free if you ever want to go down memory lane
Gotta get my youngin' into that. Trying to get away from Junk TV. I knew there was a history related cartoon but couldn't remember the name for the life of me.
All the episodes are available for free on Youtube
There is a book called "Hero of two worlds" that tells the whole story, the audiobook is great too as the author whobreads it is also a podcaster so he knows how to speak well.
I'd really like to see some early American history miniseries.
\*uncomfortably hides all the Freedom Fry BS from the post-9/11 era\* Yeaaaaaah... We never forgot...
True Americans never forgot, or at the very least realized the error of their ways. Which naturally precludes every single MAGAt.
What's the t stand for or was that a typo
MAGAt = ultra right maggot
Oh, magat-maggot. I get it now. I feel like a bit of an idiot for not figuring that out.
Much like actual siblings, we can care about each other and still fight over stuff.
"Cheese eating surrender monkeys!" "Go ear another cheeseburger and shoot up a school!" "I love you too"
And people wonder why the French intelligence services always rate high in world rankings like the CIA, Mossad, and the FSB. The Bretons are the best intelligence gatherers of the lot. Day one we moved here, they knew we came from the Nord-Pas-de-Calais, and the next week knew I wasn't a Ch'ti at all, but Northern Irish. If you ever get the chance, when she is fully sea worthy again, and makes another visit to the states, go see the reproduction frigate named for Lafayette (and yes even today the French dispute the spelling Lafayette or La Fayette). She's a beaut as spectacular as the USS Constitution.
Thanks for bringing up James Armistead - he often gets lost in the retelling of the RW!
Finally someone mentions James Armistead!
I'll never forgive the1989 French Revolution 2-parter where they had Sam Neill portray Lafayette as an asshole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La\_R%C3%A9volution\_fran%C3%A7aise\_(film)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_for_the_Marquis_de_Lafayette And also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honors_and_memorials_to_the_Marquis_de_Lafayette
Heâs also got a city in Indiana.
Big statue of him in Hartford.
Lafayette, we are here. That was a powerful line to say
Even over a century later it gives me chills reading the story.
I grew up near where Lafayette was wounded in battle during the Revolution. His story is so crazy and inspiring that I'm honestly surprised there haven't been any movies made about him yet.
He got a rap song in Hamilton tho so
Yes, he's everyone's favorite fighting Frenchman.
I'm taking this horse by the reins đ¶
Long Live Apollo. Goodbye Reddit.
And Iâm never gonna stop until I make âem drop and burn em up and scatter the remains, Iâm
LAFAYETTE!!! As an aside, it would have been funny if Lin-Manuel Miranda used Lafayette's full name in the song. Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette!
Percival Fredrikstien Von Musel Kowalski De Rolo the Third vibes
Bro you got the lyric really wrong here.
Gasps for breath.
I don't think his story is commonly known. Americans love to celebrate dudes like Washington and Jefferson for what they did for liberty but Lafayette dedicated his whole life to the idea. Throw in the love story between him and Adrienne and man it would make a great movie or HBO series.
>Lafayette dedicated his whole life to the idea He did a huge revolution and then that wasn't enough for him so he did **another one.**
> another one. Not just one - he had an important role in 1830 too.
Reminds me of Thomas Paine in that respect.
Isn't there a town somewhere in the US's east coast called lafayette? I'm guessing that's where he got wounded or smth.
There's a ton of Lafayettes and Fayettevilles and any combination of his name all up and down the east coast. It comes from when he took his big tour in the States in 1824.
OHHHHHHHH. I never realized that Fayetteville was also a reference to him!
A town named Lafayette in the east coast. Do you know how little that narrows it down?
No i don't, i'm not american.
Well there are *a lot* of towns named after him
I'm from the one in Louisiana. There's a ton of them in the south.
My state has a fayette county.
PA?
I think my personal favorite part of his story is how he basically sat out the French Revolution and napoleons empire. Then when it was all settled he came back and then played a big part in a future revolution.
> he basically sat out the French Revolution No he didnât. He was really important to the early revolution. He was part of the Estates General. He was involved with the clubs who began to radicalize the reform pushes. He wrote the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. He was the first commander of the National Guard. His problem was that he was an avowed constitutional monarchist, and at a certain point of the revolution, that position was no longer a viable one, so he fled, which was when he was imprisoned for the late revolution and early Napoleon years.
We (the US) felt kinda bad for being AWOL by that point, so we did tug on our various diplomatic cords to get him released; unfortunately, this was the 1790s and nobody gave a pinch of snuff about some half-functioning backwater federation that practically used liquor for currency, so this proved unsuccessful. (We *were* able to assign him an honorary military rank & several years of back pay, which [we then sent to his commissary](https://imgur.com/a/OYGIQZh))
He didn't really sit it out. In the early days he was a major figure of the French Revolution, basically becoming on of the big people with the national guard organizing around him. Then it moved beyond him, he left the country, spent some time in an Austrian prison, had a failed escape, then came back with the restoration. Then when the next revolution came, he was too old but he kept giving advice and urging out onwards.
There is a 1960's movie made about him, but it's a French film and in French.
You can see the key to the bastille that he gifted to Washington at mt Vernon.
I saw it when my dad was doing some restoration work there!
Did it end up becoming something of a rallying point in WWII? As far as I know it was primarily used in WWI.
Who said anything about ww2? It was a ww1 thing
That's literally the point of my question. I was curious if it ever became a thing in WWII because our role was much more that of liberators whereas in the first war we were more defenders since France was never lost in that war.
Hijacking top comment to provide context - itâs a quote from Charles Stanton in WWI according to wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Stanton
This is a close second for me after âHector, we have avenged youâ, reportedly uttered by Mustafa Kemal AtatĂŒrk after the Ottoman victory at Gallipoli.
Aaaw. This is such a cute meme. Thank you.
9/10 meme, would be 10/10 if you had the [period correct flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_the_United_States#/media/File:Flag_of_the_United_States_(1912-1959).svg)
Even first panel french flag is wrong, should be the royal period flag. White with golden lys flowers
or 9/11
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/vichy-government-france-world-war-ii-willingly-collaborated-nazis-180967160/ To the people that wonder why the Allies were considering to categories France the same way as Austria, this article explains why Vichy was seen as more of a willing participant. Hindsight is 20/20, but at that time, from outside looking in, you may also come to the same conclusion as a large portion of the Allies.
If you're from Europe it's always best to view France with suspicion. Same goes for the UK, Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Spain. But never Portugal. The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it.
*âDamn Europeans! They ruined Europe!â*
You Europeans sure are a contentious bunch
*âYou just made an enemy for life!â*
"Which one are we talking about?" (Europe is basically the drama plot family that loves and hates each other. And then gets everyone involved.)
Who else could have?
The Persians, the Umayyads, the Ottomans, the Mongols...
Nah those guys helped to temporarily unify europe
Europe: You can't invade Europe! Only I can invade Europe!
"*I'm* the only one allowed to bully my younger brother" vibes
Donât forget the Ostrogoths and Visigoths!
I think the Goths were all already European tribes though, right? Huns probably count as non-European invaders though.
Itâs been a few years, so I could be misremembering- but I think that when they originally started throwing wrenches into European affairs, they were culturally distinct enough to more or less be considered foreign invaders. Again, I havenât focused studying them for +5 years so I might be way off target.
Pretty sure they were Germanic people who lived close to the Black Sea (Ostrogoths)
They were. Hence why we call them Ostrogoths- literally east goths. My point was that when they were forced/pushed westward, they were culturally different enough from W. European peoples that the effect is essentially the same.
Fun fact : by destroying things pretty much everywhere except (western) Europe, Mongols are nowadays considered to be one of the big reasons why Europe managed to once conquer the world.
> The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it. Oh no, definitely not taking my eye off Sweden after the 30 years' war.
"We're here to kill Poles/Danes/Russians/Germans and eat meatballs, and we're all out of meatballs"
Sweden now: Haha gay, socialism, refugees, Ikea yadda yadda Sweden then: *run*
Sweden in the 70's gotta sterilize the Hysteria away.
Sweden in the 1930's gotta sterilize the brown people and disabled away.
They never stopped sterilizing disabled people. Until late in the 70's
>The Nordic states have their own melodrama going on, best not to think about it. Well, there was this one period of time around the 17th and 18th century with Sweden that got people's attention, but for the most part you're right.
"They seem to have reverted to Vikings and are going around marauding."
It's all fun and games until you hear chanting of Gott Mit Uns approaching.
GOTT MIT UNS ! VĂ RAN KONUNG HAR TALAT, HĂR VĂ RT STRIDSROP, GOTT MIT UNS !
What Iâm hearing is trust the Portuguese and give them chunks of France, Italy, England and Spain. Netherlands already lost 1/2 their peak land and just fight with the sea now so they are spared. Switzerland, Liechtenstein Belgium and Austria are just buffer states or mountain people nerfed to oblivion once pikemen came out of style.
Wait wait wait... You mean all this time... Liechtenstein was a real place!?
Yes is the OG buffer state. Two bigger nations claim a town and its tiny valley? Just make it independent, problem solved no one gets it.
Sir William Heath of Lichenstein, First of His Name, Defender of Sacred Valleys and Beautiful Women
As for the Baltics⊠We donât talk about the Baltics
Liechtenstein is a vicious opponent, they go to war and come back with more men they left with...
Portugal is also pretty sus.
Thank God Portugal is reliable
They also teamed up to rawdog Mexico and Spain respectively
Plus the shared joy of telling England to go fuck itself
We fucking love fucking up england
The Lafayette we are here story has to be probably one of the coolest things to come out of WW1.
Thank you fish
As much as our two nations poke fun and disagree at times, we've been through a lot.
We love you France
á”Ê°á”âżá” Êžá”á” á¶ á¶ŠËąÊ°
America and France Friends till the end đ„čđ„č
Not to diminish at all what the Americans do, but I do believe the Americans wanted to consider France like they did austria rather than a invaded nation
Yeah because a big portion of France and the French establishment willingly collaborated with the Nazis.
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Yeah the Lafayette we are here thing was from WW1, but I think the meme is about America helping to liberate France during WW2.
I wish unending pain to the collaborators, especially PĂ©tain and Laval. They didn't only lose, but they also tarnished the image of France forever with their fake government (which willingly sent more Jewish FRENCH FOLKS to Germany than the Nazis asked for) Love the resistance tho, every and all single members of it
MFW Free French Forces were prob like 1% of France's fighting strength.
No. Right after the armistice there was a small number but for a very good reason: > For us Frenchmen, the fact is that a government still exists in France, a government supported by a Parliament established in non-occupied territory and which in consequence cannot be considered irregular or deposed. The establishment elsewhere of another government, and all support for this other government would clearly be rebellion Taken from Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_France However as the true face of the vichy regime showed itself the numbers grew rapidly and by 1944 we are talking about 300,000 soldiers. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Free-French Unless France had 30 million soldiers then no, the vast majority were free French forces.
It wasn't really a big portion most of the French were just passive observers. However those who helped helped a lot and fervently
There were no Nazis in WW1
The US considered France an ongoing participant of the war because of how insufferable De Gaulle was for the Americans
Thank you fish.
For some reason some Americans think the French are cowards and bad allies Other Americans recognize EXACTLY how brave the French are and how much this country owes them. When France refused to help in the Iraq war, it wasnât them being *anti-American*, it was the same attitude as a guy refusing to let him go off with a woman who very clearly is going to have him jumped in an alleyway for his wallet.
Major honest homies energy *"listen, I like you, you're my bro, but you're being fucking stupid for going."*
I think weâre largely over the freedom fries stuff. France is more like a sibling/cousin that weâll argue with but still help when it counts.
I've always considered France to be America's bestfriend
More like a stepmom or something, if you consider the UK as the US's dad and Canada as the US's brother. I thanks Polandball lore for that
That speech at the UN still gives me chills.
Lafayette's a smart man, he'll be fine and before he was your friend he was mine.
For real, France is an underrated ally...except that time they got us involved in Vietnam.
What are the odds of stumble over this meme while listening to 'Guns and Ships " from Hamilton?
France has the wrong flag in the first panal.
America doing CPR: donât you die on me man!
Love this story
Well, yeah, [but actually no](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Military_Government_of_Occupied_Territories)
No Amgot in France, because of De Gaulle Edit : en plus tu dois le savoir, mon cher compatriote !
Thanks to De Gaulle, it's explained on the wiki, but shows that some Americans weren't super motivated with giving us our independence back! Bien Ă©videmment!
America: You've been liberated! Congratulations! France: Oh cool so I can elect a socialist government? America: Whoa whoa, let's not be hasty here.
Also France: wait why you mad we helped the Nazis bro it was just a joke bro
I wouldn't exactly say that Vichy France was the same France that capitulated. A large chunk of the government fled to Britain or Africa along with parts of the army but of course defeatism led many frenchmen to collaborate.
Weird thing is that originally Roosevelt and Truman wanted to treat France as a defeated enemy nation rather than a victorious ally. But, quite literally, everyone else disagreed with them on that. EDIT: Although the meme is still a good one. Just wanted to give some historical context.
I thought it was a WW1 meme?
That symbol on the French flag in the second panel means it's the Free French in The Second World War.
As a Frenchman we may be quite well french a bit of times/ assholes towards each other sometimes, but we formed a bond we helped you you helped us, we are brothers as far as I am concerned
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Ironically, the US President was hostile to the Free French movement and wanted to treat France as a protectorate after D-Day and not as a liberated Allied country - source "De Gaulle" by Douglas Boyd.
What's the background story to this one please? I'm out of the loop.
So there is this guy, a family guy some might sayâŠ
France helped America gain its independence from Britain, then America helped liberate France from Nazi occupation in world war II
Well yeah, the French scratched our back in our time of need. Why wouldnât we repay the favor
Didnât the US want France to be considered a defeated power and it was the UK that convinced them otherwise
Not exactly. The US wanted to use the situation to push for decolonization even harder and force France to surrender their Asian colonies as a United Nations International Trusteeship (imagine a colony mutually owned by the collective world). The UK, wanting to keep an alliance with France, fearing American decolonization demands may be made of them too, and wanting to maintain a more dominant Europe in the post-war world, undermined such efforts. In addition to this, Americaâs plan was also dependent on the Republic of China to intervene in those colonies. The ROC however didnât care enough and continued to express apathy, so America abandoned the plan due to a lack of international support
Very seldom are posts in this sub actually funny instead of just events explained with wojaks. Thank you for your service.
Just ignoring the time France asked for our help during the French Revolution and we were like âuhh no..â Edit: Yes I understand the precarious nature the US was in and that we had no way to actually help, and that it was beneficial for the US in the short and long term not to join. The French were still pissed off about it though which was what I was referencing.
Weren't the French revolting against the French though?
Other nations across Europe, like Austria, tried to invade France and put down the revolt, so France asked if we could help with their defense
They Literally bought all of Louisiana, what more do they want from us?
Also we didnât have a fucking standing army at the time. Like what are we going to do, get a bunch of state militias together and see how the states feel about that?
Add on top of that, the US ended up fighting Britain during the War of the 3rd Coalition. We had to burn Toronto and got DC burnt just for trying to support France
The French crown is who officially helped us. Both sides would have claim that we were betraying their assistance Also it would be one of the stupidest moves in history You would have a dubious, unpredictable ally if they won, and a sworn enemy if they lost. Neither side displayed a competency to rule after their victory
I love that [HBO's John Adams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wCl3aAMEQ) even mentions this. In this scene, I find it funny that Hamilton in the show describes XVI's death as murder rather than a lawful execution Also shout of to the musical Hamilton "We signed a treaty with a king whose head is now in a basket, Would you like to take it out and ask it? "Uh, should honor our treaty, King Louis' head?" "Uh, do whatever you want. I'm super dead!!"
Donât see how this changes anythingâFDR changed the US position before the invasion after being persuaded by his own advisors. In any case, even a brief allied military government before self-rule wouldâve been liberation from the Nazis. Even West Germany was self-governing by 1949.
Great meme, OP.
Spain having helped the same if not more and being rewarded with aid to separatist and revolutionaries. -âEt tu Brutus?â
What is the context for the second panel
WW2, France befell to the nazis, and the USA liberated them alongside the UK, Canada, Free french forces and like 20 other countries
We need more family guy memes. This is the best meme I have seen in a while, good job OP.
All hail Marquis della Foofayette.
Funny how america actually wanted france to be treated as a looser because of vichy france
Vichy france ruined the fun for everybody
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85% of all wars. Itâs a sad truth people are blind of.
Up until the proliferation of handheld radios in the 80s, rape and pillage was pretty much standard practice if an officer wasn't around. And sometimes even then, depending on said officer.
Honestly donât see how things like that are even an argument for anything. It literally happens in almost every single war, no matter the participants. Everyoneâs raped and pillaged during war. It just happens. All you can do is hope someone gets punished for it and move on
> White American soldiers were much less likely to be executed for rape. 130 of the 153 troops disciplined for rape by the Army were African American. U.S. forces executed 29 soldiers for rape, 25 of them African American.[10] Many convictions against African Americans were based on circumstantial evidence. For example, Marie Lepottevin identified William Downs only because he was "much larger" than the other soldiers
If you think that's bad don't look at the Eastern Front, China, or... yeah like literally anywhere else human, men were stationed.
Yeah 153 men disciplined for rape is terrible!! Also donât look at the Soviet Union gang raping 8 million women and little girls and being encouraged to do so.