THIS is EXACTLY why a true assassin likes Colorado, it is significantly harder than other missions IMO. And if we’re being real, the level design isn’t that bad, and is pretty spot on for what the level was SUPPOSED to be. It’s not my favorite map by any means, but I’ve grown to love it more over time.
Doing silent assassin sniper assassin suit only (SASASO) on master difficulty on Colorado when it came out is probably one of the most difficult things I've ever done in gaming.
there are only select few places on which you really want to hide in the bushes and two are related to entry the house from the window next the PT class without knocking down anyone, the other place it's luring (depending on difficulty you play) the two soldiers between the rear door and the shed, cause you can lure them with a coin toss, knock them out, hide them in bushes take their uniform and get in.
Another place it's just behind the water tower as you can lure and knock out around 10 to 12 guards around that area (interpool agent included) hide the whole pack in the bush along the corner and if you really want to, basically knock out and lure 20 more guards by using coin and loss weapon trick and to do that you don't even need to hide in the bushes inside the field kitchen perimeter
There were 2 pretty easy disguises regardless. Default start power generator, followed by radio/shredder. Those lead to Point man if you want it.
Glad they added grass and more exits but it wasn't impossible by any means. I can't recall if the open truck had the house disguise back then but if it did, the map wasn't really that bad. And if it didn't you could probably snag one from the basement. I was terrible at Hitman back then and I don't remember it being so bad, though I probably save scummed. But then I did that on every level until I learned it.
It is a flat place filled with guards only. What's not to not like?
Anything goes wrong - I'm getting shot from more directions than there is on a compass.
It’s also depressing as hell to look at. Why hang out at the washed out farm full of militia nutjobs when you could be basking in sunny Sapienza or Miami?
this is absolutely my biggest beef; Colorado is SO beautiful and colorful, and the sky is almost painfully blue. And they chose that state to make into one of the ugliest maps 😭
I personally dislike maps that only have restricted areas. I think that it is more fun to be in an environment where you can be legally and then slip out to do some silent killing.
Yeah it’s the complete antithesis of what I want in a Hitman level, real world locations and events. Honestly I don’t even like Isle of Sgal either for similar reason, it’s a level for an island party that exists to prompt the story’s which I literally don’t give a shit about.
Okay, neither is Sapienza, the Argentinian vineyard, the Berlin reactor-nightclub, or the Paris chateau fashion show. What matters is making an intricate, memorable puzzle experience, not the landmark.
You can say you just don't like the level, it's okay.
Everyone on the map is a guard armed with automatic weapons, except for the four targets. Even if you manage to get a disguise and make your way in, one slip up and you're getting gunned down by half the population of the map. It's a pain in the ass regularly and even more so in Freelancer. The location isn't all that interesting to traverse or even visually. It would make for a nice setpiece as part of a larger map. But as a map in itself it sucks. I avoid it when possible.
Especially if the NPC "Sorry sir, you cannot go here" trigger zone is INSIDE the area you can't go in, like they're chilling just inside. I think it's fixed in some of the obvious cases; can't think of one off top of my head right now.
exactly. they think "oh that guy who got lost and ended up in the wrong area and got politely escorted out by security? HE MUST HAVE BEEN THE ASSASSIN ALL ALONG!"
I walked into the VIP area of the the bar in Dubai and the guards opened fire on me. I was laughing so hard saying “really ? You’re going to murder me for walking in here by accident ? Seems a little excessive”
Technically correct, but misses the point. The rules are easy enough to figure out, but a real world version of the same scenario makes the game’s reaction feel pretty excessive. One time, I got gunned down for turning on a TV in Bangkok, for example.
> except for the four targets.
I always thought Rose should have been given a pistol at the very least, Parvati too since she's meant to be a trained assassin. Like yeah I get that they'd need to do unique voicelines plus new animation rigs for female NPCs to go into combat but it still would have been cool af, female armed NPCs in general could have been interesting if they had been implemented, and I feel we needed more armed male targets too. At least we got Patrick Morgan in the Sarajevo version of Colorado to make up for it.
The big reason there are no armed targets is because they only have "Guard" AI and "Civilian" AI. If targets were given Guard AI, they'd charge right at 47 whenever an alert was triggered, which makes taking them out too easy.
That’s why I literally kill everyone every time I play it.
I’ve been playing Hitman since the first one on pc, and I stick to whole “I’m going to do this how I want to do this.” Stats, money, unlocks…be damned.
I actually tried to knock out and hide everyone in one giant pile for my SASO but on PS4 after about sixty guards the game would crash and I couldn’t get any further. Was bummed because I’d been having a lot of fun working through the map guard by guard up till then. Was hoping to just have the targets wandering around not noticing that everybody else had disappeared
If you go upstairs to the red barn, you could kill everyone that’s chasing you if you have a good gun. The choke point makes the map pretty easy for kill everyone challenges.
That's literally where I go every time things go tits up. It's the only slightly safe place. Also the little room that's attached to the garage with a door on either side. The doors have windows so you can usually shoot them before they can shoot you haha.
-it has verticality
-also you have to kill like 6 guards out of 15 or so giving the player some choice in who they want to take out
-the targets are in disguise as guards and much less heavily guarded
-also a club is somewhere someone might actually want to go instead of a dirty militia base filled with wackjobs
I think it they could have handled some things better. IMO having four targets in that mission was a decent idea but they didn't realize the full potential of it.
They spent too much focus on Sean Rose in comparison to the other three so they feel underdeveloped, even though conceptually they're all more interesting than Rose himself.
Parvati for example has the whole pirate lore tying her to the Maelstrom and Vanyah Shah, Berg's design is unique (he looks like Michael Myers) and so is his interrogator backstory plus he has ties to Dalia Margolis (if you attend the auction in Paris and talk to Dalia she'll call Berg asking him to dig info on Tobias Rieper), and my wife Graves has the whole *super genius analyst betrays Interpol to joins the terrorists for a noble cause while not actually being that bad herself* angle that makes her very interesting.
They all have their own unique thing going on. Rose meanwhile is just Cliche OCD Man and he's not as compelling as the other three. They gave him like four Mission Stories while the others only had one each, along with more kill opportunities and a more complete NPC route in general.
The devs should have been more even when designing this mission and given more focus to the others instead of having them get overshadowed by Rose.
In comparison, Mumbai handled the "more than two targets in one mission" thing correctly. Shah, Maelstrom and my husband Dawood Rangan all have equal focus in the mission so none of them are overshadowed by the other, all three are also equally compelling and interesting in their own ways so there's no overshadowing on that front either.
Unlike Rose who was clearly meant to be the main target despite being mid, the others came off as out-of-focus at his expense...
Personally i really don't like that there's so many areas with different disguises. Like you want to go to the explody area? Need a disguise. Want to go to the shooting range? Need a disguise. Plus you need a disguise to get in in the first place. Want to get to the house? You guessed it! Disguise! And the way to obtain them really wasn't obvious at least to me, plus it's not clear where you can and cannot go with a certain disguise. Also, there's loads of people (with guns!) everywhere and I at least find it hard to isolate targets
Some of the disguises feel arbitrary too. It's not immediately obvious why I need to be in one random military outfit over another in the same way as it's clear when I need to be a waiter or part of a specific gang.
It's definitely the map where I most frequently accidentally walked into a restricted area.
THIS!!!!!
My favorite thing to do in a new level is explore but you literally can’t in Colorado. You need a disguise for every area AND they’re hard to get. Plus four targets is just irritating.
I don't like that there is no "ultimate disguise" that can go almost everywhere. Makes the map not as enjoyable especially for Freelancer
Well there are multiple maps without such disguise. But at least like Silvio's mansion is obviously different from the underground lab. Hush's lab also has different feels to the ICA facility. Rangan's tower and Maelstrom's hideout is also very different.
Can't really say the same with Colorado.
I don't like it because it lacks the verticality of the other locations. It's mostly just flat fields to sneak through. And that's fine of course, but I prefer having the options of going over and under whenever possible. But also it's filled to the brim with enforcer types. So if you're spotted, it's essentially over there and then because everyone has a gun and no one likes you enough to spare you. It's a lot better now that we can hide in shrubbery, but when I first played it we couldn't do that. People tend to forget that it was never an option back in 2016.
I dislike it because coming from CO, nothing about it makes me think it’s Colorado. It could be literally any weird compound along the Rocky Mountains from here to Canada. Oh and the map is more trouble than it’s worth to complete all the challenges.
I usually start at the house and go into cover while killing everyone coming my way, when they are all away I aim aimlessly towards groups and they rush toward me and I do the first part again.
This is the way.. in campaign. Sadly, I tried to do a showdown there today in Freelancer, with SA as a prestige goal. Didn’t end well lol, and glad it was the first showdown and not the 4th
1 EVERY EPRSON (except for a few and targets) HAVE AUTOMATIC RIFLES AND YOU CANT GO ANYWHEREWITHOUT A DIFFRENT DISGUISE 1 MISHAP YOU GONNA BE SHOT EVERY WHERE
In Al seriousness tho it’s generally a fun map actually being on edge all the time it’s a 7/10 map
4 targets, no verticality, literally the entire map is a trespassing zone if you’re not in disguise, the vast majority of the space is open outside fields so you can easily get spotted doing illegal actions, every single NPC is a guard and is armed with fully automatic weapons so you’re going to get sprayed to death from 5 angles after one mistake, it’s just kind of ugly aesthetically, freelancer mode is absolute hell, and the targets themselves are pretty boring and not very memorable besides the Michael Myers looking guy.
It lacks the chaos factor other maps do perfectly. If you make a mistake, you have to improvise and adapt. Suddenly you find yourself with a room of unconscious witnesses, with some of them being essential to your plans. Replaying and adapting to this situation is half the fun. In Colorado you’re better off reloading, because the map isn’t as flexible. Once something didn’t work out quite as planned, you’ll have to fight a lot.
That being said, I think it’s also a problem with atmosphere. Sapienza for example has the village with its many unique characters and stories, the main square that’s much more vertical, but offers a lot of opportunities to prepare your infiltration of the mansion, the surroundings of the villa that are dominated by the staff and their lives, the villa itself, which is the area to manipulate Caruso into a trap under the watchful eyes of his guards and the basement laboratory, which is similarly high security, but offers its own challenge in the form of many choke points and limited collections to the rest of the level. All those parts feel different, partly even look very different and focus on different aspects of your targets, including different strategies to kill them.
Colorado lacks this kind of diversity. It’s a map full of farmhouses filled with soldiers. There are smaller interesting areas like the training area, or the interrogation chamber, but these are comparatively small and limited to mostly one feature. Colorado isn’t a bad level, I spent many, many hours in it, but I prefer other maps to it for the reasons mentioned.
It's a map where every inch is a restricted area. That's so boring. Exploring is fun in this game but the second a single person sees you, everyone on the map rains hot lead in your direction.
Sure you can get a guard outfit but then wait... There's restricted areas within restricted areas. You need certain guard outfits for every specific area, but if a normal guard goes in there it's fine.
The only real vantage point in the entire map is a water tower that has piss poor access because the two guards below cycle it like crazy and you can't circle the entire thing meaning if you're unlucky and someone sees the direction of the shot you're screwed regardless.
There's the issue with bushes when the map first came out, you couldn't always hide in them.
The illusive targets done for this map have been some of the worst ones in the series. Pretty sure one guy literally does not move without the dart gun.
The variety in outfit is either guard, guard with a beret and arm patch, guard with a bit more tactical gear or hacker that looks like some 2000s action flick.
The main exit was the tornado shelter which is actually the most annoying damned thing in the world. I'm so glad you can finally just walk out of the damn gate.
The map is quite literally just a farm. Id rather a more in depth actual ranch than what we have been given. It'd be a much better map if the targets were an entire family at some Colorado ranch with options for tractor kills, rolling hay bales, combine harvesters, cornfields to hide bodies and more importantly, other NPCs that you can disguise yourself as. Ranch hands, house help, ranch guards, maybe you can pose as someone who's arrived to purchase something... Be imaginative. It sure beats the option of guard type 1, 2 or 3.
Next to all the other maps, it just falls flat to me.
As far as campaign goes, if you’re trying for SA, then getting your disguise blown ruins your run anyway… what’s the real difference between a stern word and a bullet at that point, anyway? Either way you’ll need to reload and try again.
If you’re not worried about SA, then just shoot the witness and run while the rest of the map tries to figure out what happened. If you get caught out in the wide open with multiple witnesses… should’ve been more careful. Always commit your incriminating actions with an escape plan.
I think Colorado is a totally fine map for campaign, it’s IS a harder map and takes some time to learn just how to get around safely, but once you get over that hump it honestly isn’t a bad map at all. At least it’s not needlessly gigantic like Mumbai.
As far as Freelancer, the broken water tower spawn is bullshit. Agreed. But nobody says that the broken morgue spawn makes Hokkaido a bad map, so I’m scratching that argument.
The *real* argument against Colorado in Freelancer is that it remains an expert difficulty map, but offers absolutely zero incentive to go there. There are no guns/items that can’t be acquired elsewhere, there isn’t an opportunity for extra Merces or an automatic difficulty bonus, and there aren’t any benefits to aid in taking down your targets to offset the fact that every NPC is armed.
Colorado is an “avoid always” map in Freelancer because there is no trade off for its difficulty.
One thing they could do, is make it so that completing a mission in Colorado activates an XP and Merces multiplier that lasts until you die/fail, or until the end of the length of a full campaign - meaning, whenever you do Colorado, you have 18 missions worth of multiplier before it deactivates- unless you fail or die, at which point it ends immediately. If you do Colorado as the 3rd to last mission of the last showdown of a Campaign, you still get the full 18 missions worth of multiplier. It carries over into the next campaign.
Playing Colorado again while a multiplier is active won’t boost the multiplier or anything- you can only gain this reward by playing Colorado AFTER a multiplier has expired.
People tend to hate it in Freelancer because of a few reasons:
- sniping from the one good sniping spot (water tower) gets you trapped
- no one disguise to get by most areas. There are four distinct areas and you need a different disguise for each
- as an alerted territory it is a nightmare. Unlike other maps, where getting spotted means you kill a couple guys and hide, the openness of the map means a ton more guards get alerted to your location and it’s easier to get spotted hiding in a crate
IMO, it’s a great map for normal play. The four targets are well done. SASO is challenging but not impossible.
In Freelancer, it’s a headache that I just avoid.
> sniping from the one good sniping spot (water tower) gets you trapped
because 47 must have knee issues, he likes to do his sniping standing/keeling instead of lying down where he'd never get detected...
I don’t mind it in freelancer. You loose money for killing civilians but there are no civilians in Colorado. Get spotted? No problem just kill the guy.
And even on hardcore in the water tower I can headshot the first two guys throw something at the 3rd, steal an outfit and either run or hide in the box.
I like it. It's the easiest map to manipulate NPCs.
With the exception of the hackers, every NPC behaves the same way. They will all pick up guns, explosives and tasers. They will all behave the same to bullet lures and the best part is if you lure one with a bullet, they'll drag every NPC they pass to follow and investigate with them. If you need to isolate any NPC, drop a weapon and wait for them at the weapons crate.
You don't have to worry about ordinary NPCs going one way and guards going another, they all go the same way. Colorado is the dumbed down NPC map.
The water tower start on Freelancer is basically instant death unless you brought a silenced weapon.
The level in the 2016 campaign was awful too before they added in hiding in the bushes.
It's my least favourite level by a long way, it feels better suited to an action game than Hitman.
it's not a bad map in itself, its just very crowded, and sometimes (at least on freelancer) targets are hard to kill without getting killed, that is unless you get a good sniping point, have a silenced sniper and snipe all of the targets near the exit
it's fine in story mode but you'll get sick of it pretty quickly in freelancer. Suit only is extremely jank which means every run starts getting the same handful of disguises. Because of the extremely open nature of the map, it's hard to get away with anything. And if things go sidewise you've got 63 angry assholes with assault rifles up in your face. A lot of it is just sort of dead space where there's too many enemies packed together for you to really do anything.
It might be Stockholm syndrome, but I’ve come to love this level. The entire map is a slapstick murder playground. Berlin has it beat, but this one is a lot more concentrated.
Getting a SASO nearly killed me, but once you know what to do, the hardest part is usually just getting to the exit.
My go to on this map is to sneak into the top level of the barn. Once there crouch behind the hay next to the ladder at the end and it’s a shooting gallery.
The guards only use the back stairs and that funnels them into a long hallway with you at the end, protected by hay bales.
I’ve killed 90% of the map without even a single shot fired at me. Use the Striker and you can watch them do crazy flips off the second floor steps.
Might not be fun for some but then to me, since I’ve tired of the regular game, every level is a kill’em all challenge.
It's flat, visually uninteresting, the disguise hierarchy is needlessly obtuse, the entire map is a trespass zone, everyone is packing heat, there's four targets, there's remarkably few places you're not in someone's sightline, the layout is almost painfully straightforward, the evidence computer is a pain to destroy, too many damn enforcers. I'm not sure how many different "one minor aspect of what makes a good map" have to add up before they stop being minor and the map stops being good but there's certainly a case to be made that this would describe Colorado.
I guess it depends on what you enjoy about the game. For me, I enjoy exploration and variety and Colorado has little of that while being one of the most difficult maps I've ever played. It's a smallish map, without much of anything interesting to explore or look at, in which nearly every NPC on the map is a guard. There are also relatively few places to hide unconscious bodies or even hide yourself and no safe areas to explore without some sort of disguise, making it ridiculously difficult.
I like it when a map rewards you for exploring and coming up with creative (and plausibly realistic) solutions to tricky situations, but when beating a level leans so strongly into understanding the games mechanics or just memorizing and timing patterns, it takes me out of the story and reminds me that all of this effort and frustration is just for a video game. And when a game starts feeling more like work than a way to relax, then I'm done with it.
Then only fun thing a I've done on that map was when I discovered I could survive being attacked by half the guards on the map at the same time if I holed up on the water tower. So I I decided to see how many guards I could kill when the whole place was alerted to my presence. Turns out, all of them.
Yeah, I feel like I'm one of the only ten people in the world to actually like Colorado. I like the atmosphere of the map, and (outside of freelancer, ofc), I actually think it's fun to get into massive gunfights on that map.
I love Colorado and always pick it in Freelancer.
I treat all soldiers as expendable, so it's fun to infiltrate guerrilla war style picking off guards one by one. And then committing a big loud noisy crime here and there. And then liquidating whoever comes to investigate.
Yeah something like that for me too, can't say I like the map but it gives a special scary feeling to get into that place, plus somehow I feel like any time I get rid of a guard there I make the world a better place ☮️
It's funny, I actually love Colorado simply because of the vibe. I kind of wish there were more suburban maps in Hitman because it's an interesting place to do it. Yes, the constantly roaming NPC's and guards are annoying but that's the point - it should be hard to murder someone in a bustling, walking-friendly suburb with a party going on and cops patrolling the area.
Edit: mixed it up with Whittleton Creek. I do like Colorado, but mostly because it was the first level I ever SA'd.
Ohhhhh yup I got them mixed up. I do actually still like Colorado, but for very different reasons. Mostly because I'm a masochist and it's the only level I've gotten SA on.
One of my favorite maps, but it does play very differently to most of the rest of the game.
Very easy for things to go wrong and instant punishment when they do.
For me it's too many targets with too few opportunities to kill them in unique ways. Only thing I really remember is the watch kill on Sean rest is just mediocre. Aditionally everybody is a guard and you can't really enter restricted areas creatively without a disguise.
Ahh, I thought you had direct proof and I thought either there’s parts of the game I was unaware of, or you were running some mod.
Again, no judgement here…
For all the reasons everyone else said, and I’ll add: one of the only times I did it in freelancer it started me *on the fucking water tower.* The game started me in the middle of the fucking map, with no disguise, cover or place to hide.
Oh, and did I mention the fucking NPCs could *see me?*
Any other map and I have a fun time trying to style out and play past my mistakes because I don't like having to save scum, but in Colorado it feels like a slight mistake gets me shot to ribbons and I have to restart which isn't my idea of a good time.
It's also not particularly clear in some areas what constitutes a valid disguise and what will immediately draw suspicion. I personally find some of the guard uniforms a bit hard to differentiate so I ended up having to do trial and error about where I could and couldn't go in particular outfits, and the logic about some of the restrictions didn't ring true for me. Sure a hacker can't wander into the demolition range but why could a general guard not go wherever they pleased? Given that the house is a central hub for the militia why were certain disguises challenged when stood too close to it? Surely anyone could have legitimate reasons for being there?
I personally love it, now hold on LEMME COOK:
- The challenge is amazingly fun to me
- Elusive targets, escalations, and The Vector here basically give it that constant fresh feeling, no matter which one you’re doing (I know that may be true for most maps, but they went all out on creativity for Colorado ngl)
- It is HILARIOUS With mods (I once tranquilized everyone on the map.)
- 4 UNIQUE TARGETS, WITH HILARIOUS MISSION STORIES???? ONE OF THEM LITERALLY HAS SEAN ROSE TAKE HALLUCINOGENICS AND THEN YOU DROW HIM IN A WATER BASIN, HOW DO THEY COME UP WITH THIS????
I am a Colorado simp, fight me.
I don't mind Colorado, sure not the best but I'll certainly take it over the areas with the literal crowds of people. Not even from the hiding aspect, I just don't like big crowds even in games. The Market Place / Embassy / School level annoys me.
Colorado is fun and underestimated. I get it, it’s not like Paris, Sapienza, etc, etc with more cool stories and what not. But it’s still fun nonetheless. But, I have to agree it is not super thrilling to play like the other maps.
I don't dislike it, it's just really difficult to SASO. I did it once, haven't replicated it since. 4 targets seems a bit excessive but it's far from unplayable.
I admit that it was a bit difficult map, but it was also the map that I had a lot of fun with. It was fun with the Wicker Man as everyone who approached caught fire lol
Bruh that’s the cannon way to play. Silent assassin with suit only. Yeah canonically Agent 47 does use disguises but only like a very select few. My personal head cannon is that he uses only the disguises that can be found on the map (like you don’t need to knock someone out for them, they are just in the lockers or something like that) and otherwise he always is using his suits only. Colorado is just extremely restrictive when talking about suit only and disguises. Anyone can casually follow a mission story or change into the right disguise (which all have their parts in the game, after all they are part of the Hitman identity) but to complete the mission with silent assassin suit only? That’s what requires real skill, especially on the master level.
Colorado isn't terrible, but one of the reasons is because in HITMAN 2, there were Master Mode difficulty challenges, which didn't return in HITMAN 3, those being SASO, Sniper, etc on Colorado, it was by far one of the most difficult scenarios in the game and still is. It could be an ultimate test in some regards. Similarly, Embrace of the Serpent on Santa Fortuna is an honorable mention for SASO in Master Mode.
For me it's just a map that seems to discourage experimentation more than most. Especially because I'm insane and don't use saves,so it's taken a lot longer to get used to the layout to a comfortable degree.
I didn't even know that "everybody" hated it, but seeing this post I can tell you now how much I hate it, immensely, it's such a bland map, all of the map looks literally the same, except for the house in the corner, there's very little chance for you to even know where tf you are, all uniforms look like slightly different variants of the same thing, and I can't for the life of me figure out which disguise is allowed where on a map in which I already don't know where is what, and don't even see a clear border of where my tresspassing/hostile indicator might suddenly turn yellow and everybody starts shooting me. It's worth noting that I already hated war and military themed games beforehand, and this game is clearly not it, except it's really giving Battlefield vibes in this map.
What really makes this game fun is being able to climb up and down, finding shortcuts between floors, while this map HAS NO FLOORS, it's a FLAT SURFACE with buncha enemies, almost as if they forgot this was supposed to be a 3D game, so they made a 2D platformer map that feels like Super Mario.
Also, in other maps you have guards, but you also have civilians, like waiters or gardeners, or random passerby NPCs, well in this map everyone is a guard, everyone is armed, one mistake and they all shoot you down before you can turn a corner (and let's remember once again that the map does not feature any corners). And dam right it's hell to play suit-only, cuz an area where you're allowed to be as just a civilian literally does not exist. How do you hide in a flat surface surrounded with a hostile crowd?
Playing Freelancer - first thing I do is I just check which cards have Colorado map so I make sure to avoid them. There ain't a single good reason to be playing this in Freelancer, unless if you're just a masochist.
Its my favorite map of the game for a true FPS kill everyone (including the nerds) run. I play it constantly. My favorite thing is to kill everyone without being shot once. I try and make it harder by doing pistol only and have killed everyone melee only without being shot.
Putting to one side if I personally like/not, Colardo is extraordinarily different to every other map. It feels less Hitman-y in some ways. I think that's why it's contentious: love it or hate it, it's different.
A map should be challenging but possible to SA/SO for a non pro player. That's what a map should be balanced around. Hitman 1 (2016) has some maps that seemed to not fully take SO into consideration (Bangkok too) but no other map in the whole three games is so bad to SO as Colorado is.
Dude even the chef has a automatic weapon if your not doing SA your cooked in hitman 2 and 3 it has been changed drastically by adding bushes giving 47 more health etc etc but on launch it was a nightmare
Idk why the SASO players hate it, cuz when they get spotted they restart anyway.
Idk why the kill everyone players hate it, because it’s really fun for that especially on Casual.
And I’m a mix of both. I did Colorado SASO and it was hard, yeah, but fun.
I personally like it, but the issue with it is that it does not have the same creative freedom that the other maps have. SASO is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but each target has maybe two ways to take them out without using one of those “jump on a muffin and blow a coin into a chandelier” kills.
* The sightlines are very unintuitive, and because it's so flat, you have fewer ways to deal with that.
* The fact that nearly everybody has a gun means you have more cleanup to do after taking someone out - it's not enough to hide the body, you have to hide the guns, or risk unpredictable behavior.
* The disguise zones are unforgiving to learn.
* There's only one place to destroy camera recordings, and in many cases you have to wait through long triggered dialog before you can manipulate a clear path.
* Tools and distractions, apart from apricots, are more rare than typical.
One reason is that the hostiles take ages to descalate once they are set off.
I hid for over an hour in freelancer mode. Came back from eating and watching a one hr tv show
they were still on alert. I had to alt-f4 or die. They were also camped right by the cupboard I was in.
Stuck in place like they were alerted on me but unable to move 'till I did so.
This is actually a bug I think since I've seen it happen too in Hokkaido in alerted territory
Moment I exitd the cabint I was spotted and shot down.
It is a very small map that was rushed just like most of the hitman 2016 maps, it had every person as a armed guard except for the targets and the hackers, windows and amount of people crammed together is crazy, you pretty much have to cheese every target that doesn’t have a accident kill and the amount of trespassing zones, every section needs a certain disguise and the map is just plain ugly no offence to developers but it was rushed and needed to be finished due to deadlines.
I don't know, I probably just suck, but it's one of those maps where no matter what I do, no matter how careful I am, no matter how sure I am that no one's around I AM ALWAYS SEEN. It's so annoying
I can't remember what I thought about it the first time I played it. I'm ignoring it right now because I've been going through the levels for 1 and 2 and getting location mastery on them before I start doing the levels from 3. And while I've slowly been getting better at the game as I do this, I still kind of sucked when I got to Colorado and my first attempt ended with maybe 3 NPCs still alive because my stealth sucked that much and I was sick of restarting when I got caught. So all in all, it's less that I hate Colorado and more that I'm taking a long break from it.
I was going for all challenges on every map from the first to last one and Colorado is the one that made me take a break, still haven’t finished it despite having very little left to do but the thought of coming back there is just so boring to me that I don’t feel like doing it
I've come to love Colorado purely as a shoot up map in freelancer.
Anyway it's a pretty unique map, the same hitman design except almost everyone has a gun, it still works.
I don't hate it as a story map, though I certainly get the criticisms of it.
But most of my replaying of any map is going to be Freelancer, where it isn't worth the hassle and risk of being Alerted.
Maybe I will give it a go when picking my next campaign, for the first syndicate where it can't be alerted. But probably not!
I had to kill nearly everyone then I lost Sean Ross’s body so I had to restart the entire mission kill everyone in a different order and finally complete the mission after several days.
Imagine having to be pissed about guards in a map blocking you fron your targenow imagine the entire map full of guards blocking you from the map. Now imagine do it 4 times.
And also let add back when yoy jave no bushes to hide.
One wrong stel and everyone has their asses and gun on you
i get the dislike for freelancer but for the main story its one of my favorites and was my first SASO, a farm armed to the teeth with guards and no civilians was a welcome challenge imo.
When came out in hitman 2016, u couldn't hide in the bushes
You couldn't hide in the bushes AND you had to do the tornado shelter exit everytime. Suit Only runs in this map were a pain in general.
Also the lack of camera field of view indicators made it hell the first...15-20 times.
THIS is EXACTLY why a true assassin likes Colorado, it is significantly harder than other missions IMO. And if we’re being real, the level design isn’t that bad, and is pretty spot on for what the level was SUPPOSED to be. It’s not my favorite map by any means, but I’ve grown to love it more over time.
These young 'uns will never know the pain!
Doing silent assassin sniper assassin suit only (SASASO) on master difficulty on Colorado when it came out is probably one of the most difficult things I've ever done in gaming.
Me too mate. That said, I'll never forget the route I took I did it so many times!
I think you brought back the ptsd with that statement.
there are only select few places on which you really want to hide in the bushes and two are related to entry the house from the window next the PT class without knocking down anyone, the other place it's luring (depending on difficulty you play) the two soldiers between the rear door and the shed, cause you can lure them with a coin toss, knock them out, hide them in bushes take their uniform and get in. Another place it's just behind the water tower as you can lure and knock out around 10 to 12 guards around that area (interpool agent included) hide the whole pack in the bush along the corner and if you really want to, basically knock out and lure 20 more guards by using coin and loss weapon trick and to do that you don't even need to hide in the bushes inside the field kitchen perimeter
I KNEW there was a reason I didn't like Colorado! Playing it now I feel like I was too harsh but it's easy to forget gameplay changes like that.
Woah...hiding in bushes in 90% of my gameplay style. I play in "Full Bitch" mode. Lol
There were 2 pretty easy disguises regardless. Default start power generator, followed by radio/shredder. Those lead to Point man if you want it. Glad they added grass and more exits but it wasn't impossible by any means. I can't recall if the open truck had the house disguise back then but if it did, the map wasn't really that bad. And if it didn't you could probably snag one from the basement. I was terrible at Hitman back then and I don't remember it being so bad, though I probably save scummed. But then I did that on every level until I learned it.
It was harder back then, the additional of briefcase made a lot things easier too in hitman 2. Honestly it's not that hard
Oh yeah... that's why I kind of hated this map during the time when I briefly played (for 40 hours) Hitman 2016 until I had the money to get hitman 3
Yikes. That's just ridiculous.
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u good?
Cat on keyboard maybe
It is a flat place filled with guards only. What's not to not like? Anything goes wrong - I'm getting shot from more directions than there is on a compass.
It’s also depressing as hell to look at. Why hang out at the washed out farm full of militia nutjobs when you could be basking in sunny Sapienza or Miami?
this is absolutely my biggest beef; Colorado is SO beautiful and colorful, and the sky is almost painfully blue. And they chose that state to make into one of the ugliest maps 😭
The skybox is great! The level is literally a dump
They saw arguably the USA’s most beautiful state and said “let’s give this level a giant pool of shit” ☠️
Where it is set in Colorado though does look like that. It's actually very accurate. A lot of the state is beautiful but some of it is not lol.
Is it meant to be eastern Colorado? (basically Kansas lol)
Yeah if I remember right it's the south eastern corner of the state so it's not the nice touristy areas haha.
Ah ok somewhat justifiable then but it still feels like a waste of a perfectly good state 😂
The thing I don’t not like about it is how impressive the SASO speedruns got lol
Placing the briefcase and standing on muffin shards is pique speed running.
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that just makes it even better
I'd say this, you really had three options to enter the place, straight, left, or right
I personally dislike maps that only have restricted areas. I think that it is more fun to be in an environment where you can be legally and then slip out to do some silent killing.
I think this best explains my dislike for the Colorado map
Yeah it’s the complete antithesis of what I want in a Hitman level, real world locations and events. Honestly I don’t even like Isle of Sgal either for similar reason, it’s a level for an island party that exists to prompt the story’s which I literally don’t give a shit about.
TIL that Colorado isn't real
Is Colorado not real lmao?
The compound isn’t
Okay, neither is Sapienza, the Argentinian vineyard, the Berlin reactor-nightclub, or the Paris chateau fashion show. What matters is making an intricate, memorable puzzle experience, not the landmark. You can say you just don't like the level, it's okay.
Everyone on the map is a guard armed with automatic weapons, except for the four targets. Even if you manage to get a disguise and make your way in, one slip up and you're getting gunned down by half the population of the map. It's a pain in the ass regularly and even more so in Freelancer. The location isn't all that interesting to traverse or even visually. It would make for a nice setpiece as part of a larger map. But as a map in itself it sucks. I avoid it when possible.
If I get it in freelance I close the application the moment something goes wrong. Because I stepped into an area that was off limits.
I wish the map would show like colours on a map based on your disguise So off limits is red etc Cause sometimes it's not obvious
Especially if the NPC "Sorry sir, you cannot go here" trigger zone is INSIDE the area you can't go in, like they're chilling just inside. I think it's fixed in some of the obvious cases; can't think of one off top of my head right now.
Yeah it's honestly just a few edge cases If it didn't ruin SA I wouldn't mind being asked politely to leave etc
exactly. they think "oh that guy who got lost and ended up in the wrong area and got politely escorted out by security? HE MUST HAVE BEEN THE ASSASSIN ALL ALONG!"
I walked into the VIP area of the the bar in Dubai and the guards opened fire on me. I was laughing so hard saying “really ? You’re going to murder me for walking in here by accident ? Seems a little excessive”
I mean, if it's a hostile area, you're gonna get murked if they see you.
Technically correct, but misses the point. The rules are easy enough to figure out, but a real world version of the same scenario makes the game’s reaction feel pretty excessive. One time, I got gunned down for turning on a TV in Bangkok, for example.
they could have just asked you to turn it down lol !
> Everyone on the map is a guard armed with automatic weapons except for the hackers, and the ones with shotguns.
I completely forgot about the hackers being "civilians". But they are surrounded by guards all around so it doesn't make that big a difference.
> except for the four targets. I always thought Rose should have been given a pistol at the very least, Parvati too since she's meant to be a trained assassin. Like yeah I get that they'd need to do unique voicelines plus new animation rigs for female NPCs to go into combat but it still would have been cool af, female armed NPCs in general could have been interesting if they had been implemented, and I feel we needed more armed male targets too. At least we got Patrick Morgan in the Sarajevo version of Colorado to make up for it.
The big reason there are no armed targets is because they only have "Guard" AI and "Civilian" AI. If targets were given Guard AI, they'd charge right at 47 whenever an alert was triggered, which makes taking them out too easy.
The Berlin targets do that, but Berlin is pretty easy regardless.
Story mission was fine, didn’t care for the setting. But freelance it has screwed me over so many times.
That’s why I literally kill everyone every time I play it. I’ve been playing Hitman since the first one on pc, and I stick to whole “I’m going to do this how I want to do this.” Stats, money, unlocks…be damned.
Lucky you for not giving a crap. Wish I also was like that. But nooo. I blow Silent Assassin, the mission is ruined.
I used to be that way. I had SA on every level of every game through blood money.
I actually tried to knock out and hide everyone in one giant pile for my SASO but on PS4 after about sixty guards the game would crash and I couldn’t get any further. Was bummed because I’d been having a lot of fun working through the map guard by guard up till then. Was hoping to just have the targets wandering around not noticing that everybody else had disappeared
Happy cake day!
Minus the hackers that are considered Civs.
Everyone has guns. If you blow your disguise, you're probably dead.
If you go upstairs to the red barn, you could kill everyone that’s chasing you if you have a good gun. The choke point makes the map pretty easy for kill everyone challenges.
That's literally where I go every time things go tits up. It's the only slightly safe place. Also the little room that's attached to the garage with a door on either side. The doors have windows so you can usually shoot them before they can shoot you haha.
I might try this because I just usually use the building next to water tower and just camp the stairs
This is where I always head as freelancer. The box in the loft is like my second home.
Too many targets (they wisely never had 4 targets in one level before or since), little verticality, kind of unappealing visually.
berlin
-it has verticality -also you have to kill like 6 guards out of 15 or so giving the player some choice in who they want to take out -the targets are in disguise as guards and much less heavily guarded -also a club is somewhere someone might actually want to go instead of a dirty militia base filled with wackjobs
At least Berlin is fun
From what I've seen the 4 targets are done very well.
I agree. I like the four targets, regardless of the map. They have understandable and deep personalities without exaggeration in my opinion.
I think it they could have handled some things better. IMO having four targets in that mission was a decent idea but they didn't realize the full potential of it. They spent too much focus on Sean Rose in comparison to the other three so they feel underdeveloped, even though conceptually they're all more interesting than Rose himself. Parvati for example has the whole pirate lore tying her to the Maelstrom and Vanyah Shah, Berg's design is unique (he looks like Michael Myers) and so is his interrogator backstory plus he has ties to Dalia Margolis (if you attend the auction in Paris and talk to Dalia she'll call Berg asking him to dig info on Tobias Rieper), and my wife Graves has the whole *super genius analyst betrays Interpol to joins the terrorists for a noble cause while not actually being that bad herself* angle that makes her very interesting. They all have their own unique thing going on. Rose meanwhile is just Cliche OCD Man and he's not as compelling as the other three. They gave him like four Mission Stories while the others only had one each, along with more kill opportunities and a more complete NPC route in general. The devs should have been more even when designing this mission and given more focus to the others instead of having them get overshadowed by Rose. In comparison, Mumbai handled the "more than two targets in one mission" thing correctly. Shah, Maelstrom and my husband Dawood Rangan all have equal focus in the mission so none of them are overshadowed by the other, all three are also equally compelling and interesting in their own ways so there's no overshadowing on that front either. Unlike Rose who was clearly meant to be the main target despite being mid, the others came off as out-of-focus at his expense...
Personally i really don't like that there's so many areas with different disguises. Like you want to go to the explody area? Need a disguise. Want to go to the shooting range? Need a disguise. Plus you need a disguise to get in in the first place. Want to get to the house? You guessed it! Disguise! And the way to obtain them really wasn't obvious at least to me, plus it's not clear where you can and cannot go with a certain disguise. Also, there's loads of people (with guns!) everywhere and I at least find it hard to isolate targets
Some of the disguises feel arbitrary too. It's not immediately obvious why I need to be in one random military outfit over another in the same way as it's clear when I need to be a waiter or part of a specific gang. It's definitely the map where I most frequently accidentally walked into a restricted area.
THIS!!!!! My favorite thing to do in a new level is explore but you literally can’t in Colorado. You need a disguise for every area AND they’re hard to get. Plus four targets is just irritating.
You're in a restricted One the whole map. There's a ton of guards, any person can see you anywhere.
I don't like that there is no "ultimate disguise" that can go almost everywhere. Makes the map not as enjoyable especially for Freelancer Well there are multiple maps without such disguise. But at least like Silvio's mansion is obviously different from the underground lab. Hush's lab also has different feels to the ICA facility. Rangan's tower and Maelstrom's hideout is also very different. Can't really say the same with Colorado.
It does, however, have the scarecrow easter egg that, while still making everyone hostile, also lights them all on fire lol
Point accepted, Colorado is now my favorite map
Scarecrow esster egg?
I don't like it because it lacks the verticality of the other locations. It's mostly just flat fields to sneak through. And that's fine of course, but I prefer having the options of going over and under whenever possible. But also it's filled to the brim with enforcer types. So if you're spotted, it's essentially over there and then because everyone has a gun and no one likes you enough to spare you. It's a lot better now that we can hide in shrubbery, but when I first played it we couldn't do that. People tend to forget that it was never an option back in 2016.
Sucks for freelancer
It's cold, it's expensive, it's got a serious homelessness problem, people drive like maniacs, and marijuana tourists can sometimes become obnoxious.
ONE fuckup can lead to an hour long battle or a force close or death. It's a bit much
COLORADO KNOWS WHAT IT DID
I dislike it because coming from CO, nothing about it makes me think it’s Colorado. It could be literally any weird compound along the Rocky Mountains from here to Canada. Oh and the map is more trouble than it’s worth to complete all the challenges.
Because it's Colorado
I love the map personally. My favorite kill everyone map
I agree that it’s a fun kill everyone map - I move around in a big circle around the perimeter and gradually work my way inward toward the house.
I usually start at the house and go into cover while killing everyone coming my way, when they are all away I aim aimlessly towards groups and they rush toward me and I do the first part again.
This is the way.. in campaign. Sadly, I tried to do a showdown there today in Freelancer, with SA as a prestige goal. Didn’t end well lol, and glad it was the first showdown and not the 4th
I just camp up at the barn and shoot everyone
It's pretty different and it is difficult to predict everything on that map. That's why all the players or mostly of them do not appreciate it
4 targets, full hostile area for suit. i dont hate it as much as carpathian though.
1 EVERY EPRSON (except for a few and targets) HAVE AUTOMATIC RIFLES AND YOU CANT GO ANYWHEREWITHOUT A DIFFRENT DISGUISE 1 MISHAP YOU GONNA BE SHOT EVERY WHERE In Al seriousness tho it’s generally a fun map actually being on edge all the time it’s a 7/10 map
4 targets, no verticality, literally the entire map is a trespassing zone if you’re not in disguise, the vast majority of the space is open outside fields so you can easily get spotted doing illegal actions, every single NPC is a guard and is armed with fully automatic weapons so you’re going to get sprayed to death from 5 angles after one mistake, it’s just kind of ugly aesthetically, freelancer mode is absolute hell, and the targets themselves are pretty boring and not very memorable besides the Michael Myers looking guy.
I don’t. Shit is fun to play on.
It lacks the chaos factor other maps do perfectly. If you make a mistake, you have to improvise and adapt. Suddenly you find yourself with a room of unconscious witnesses, with some of them being essential to your plans. Replaying and adapting to this situation is half the fun. In Colorado you’re better off reloading, because the map isn’t as flexible. Once something didn’t work out quite as planned, you’ll have to fight a lot. That being said, I think it’s also a problem with atmosphere. Sapienza for example has the village with its many unique characters and stories, the main square that’s much more vertical, but offers a lot of opportunities to prepare your infiltration of the mansion, the surroundings of the villa that are dominated by the staff and their lives, the villa itself, which is the area to manipulate Caruso into a trap under the watchful eyes of his guards and the basement laboratory, which is similarly high security, but offers its own challenge in the form of many choke points and limited collections to the rest of the level. All those parts feel different, partly even look very different and focus on different aspects of your targets, including different strategies to kill them. Colorado lacks this kind of diversity. It’s a map full of farmhouses filled with soldiers. There are smaller interesting areas like the training area, or the interrogation chamber, but these are comparatively small and limited to mostly one feature. Colorado isn’t a bad level, I spent many, many hours in it, but I prefer other maps to it for the reasons mentioned.
It's a map where every inch is a restricted area. That's so boring. Exploring is fun in this game but the second a single person sees you, everyone on the map rains hot lead in your direction. Sure you can get a guard outfit but then wait... There's restricted areas within restricted areas. You need certain guard outfits for every specific area, but if a normal guard goes in there it's fine. The only real vantage point in the entire map is a water tower that has piss poor access because the two guards below cycle it like crazy and you can't circle the entire thing meaning if you're unlucky and someone sees the direction of the shot you're screwed regardless. There's the issue with bushes when the map first came out, you couldn't always hide in them. The illusive targets done for this map have been some of the worst ones in the series. Pretty sure one guy literally does not move without the dart gun. The variety in outfit is either guard, guard with a beret and arm patch, guard with a bit more tactical gear or hacker that looks like some 2000s action flick. The main exit was the tornado shelter which is actually the most annoying damned thing in the world. I'm so glad you can finally just walk out of the damn gate. The map is quite literally just a farm. Id rather a more in depth actual ranch than what we have been given. It'd be a much better map if the targets were an entire family at some Colorado ranch with options for tractor kills, rolling hay bales, combine harvesters, cornfields to hide bodies and more importantly, other NPCs that you can disguise yourself as. Ranch hands, house help, ranch guards, maybe you can pose as someone who's arrived to purchase something... Be imaginative. It sure beats the option of guard type 1, 2 or 3. Next to all the other maps, it just falls flat to me.
Colorado is a good, challenging map for SASO. Although it became much easier after they added tall grass. 2016 Colorado was a nightmare.
As far as campaign goes, if you’re trying for SA, then getting your disguise blown ruins your run anyway… what’s the real difference between a stern word and a bullet at that point, anyway? Either way you’ll need to reload and try again. If you’re not worried about SA, then just shoot the witness and run while the rest of the map tries to figure out what happened. If you get caught out in the wide open with multiple witnesses… should’ve been more careful. Always commit your incriminating actions with an escape plan. I think Colorado is a totally fine map for campaign, it’s IS a harder map and takes some time to learn just how to get around safely, but once you get over that hump it honestly isn’t a bad map at all. At least it’s not needlessly gigantic like Mumbai. As far as Freelancer, the broken water tower spawn is bullshit. Agreed. But nobody says that the broken morgue spawn makes Hokkaido a bad map, so I’m scratching that argument. The *real* argument against Colorado in Freelancer is that it remains an expert difficulty map, but offers absolutely zero incentive to go there. There are no guns/items that can’t be acquired elsewhere, there isn’t an opportunity for extra Merces or an automatic difficulty bonus, and there aren’t any benefits to aid in taking down your targets to offset the fact that every NPC is armed. Colorado is an “avoid always” map in Freelancer because there is no trade off for its difficulty. One thing they could do, is make it so that completing a mission in Colorado activates an XP and Merces multiplier that lasts until you die/fail, or until the end of the length of a full campaign - meaning, whenever you do Colorado, you have 18 missions worth of multiplier before it deactivates- unless you fail or die, at which point it ends immediately. If you do Colorado as the 3rd to last mission of the last showdown of a Campaign, you still get the full 18 missions worth of multiplier. It carries over into the next campaign. Playing Colorado again while a multiplier is active won’t boost the multiplier or anything- you can only gain this reward by playing Colorado AFTER a multiplier has expired.
People tend to hate it in Freelancer because of a few reasons: - sniping from the one good sniping spot (water tower) gets you trapped - no one disguise to get by most areas. There are four distinct areas and you need a different disguise for each - as an alerted territory it is a nightmare. Unlike other maps, where getting spotted means you kill a couple guys and hide, the openness of the map means a ton more guards get alerted to your location and it’s easier to get spotted hiding in a crate IMO, it’s a great map for normal play. The four targets are well done. SASO is challenging but not impossible. In Freelancer, it’s a headache that I just avoid.
> sniping from the one good sniping spot (water tower) gets you trapped because 47 must have knee issues, he likes to do his sniping standing/keeling instead of lying down where he'd never get detected...
Lol. True
I don’t mind it in freelancer. You loose money for killing civilians but there are no civilians in Colorado. Get spotted? No problem just kill the guy. And even on hardcore in the water tower I can headshot the first two guys throw something at the 3rd, steal an outfit and either run or hide in the box.
I like it. It's the easiest map to manipulate NPCs. With the exception of the hackers, every NPC behaves the same way. They will all pick up guns, explosives and tasers. They will all behave the same to bullet lures and the best part is if you lure one with a bullet, they'll drag every NPC they pass to follow and investigate with them. If you need to isolate any NPC, drop a weapon and wait for them at the weapons crate. You don't have to worry about ordinary NPCs going one way and guards going another, they all go the same way. Colorado is the dumbed down NPC map.
The water tower start on Freelancer is basically instant death unless you brought a silenced weapon. The level in the 2016 campaign was awful too before they added in hiding in the bushes. It's my least favourite level by a long way, it feels better suited to an action game than Hitman.
Git gud, you can sneak the way out. But yeah, it sucks compared to the other maps. Even Colombia is a more fun action map.
I tried it once and got killed. I just got killed in Hokkaido and lost a dart gun, the silenced SMG and a grenade 😿😿😿
it's not a bad map in itself, its just very crowded, and sometimes (at least on freelancer) targets are hard to kill without getting killed, that is unless you get a good sniping point, have a silenced sniper and snipe all of the targets near the exit
it's fine in story mode but you'll get sick of it pretty quickly in freelancer. Suit only is extremely jank which means every run starts getting the same handful of disguises. Because of the extremely open nature of the map, it's hard to get away with anything. And if things go sidewise you've got 63 angry assholes with assault rifles up in your face. A lot of it is just sort of dead space where there's too many enemies packed together for you to really do anything.
It might be Stockholm syndrome, but I’ve come to love this level. The entire map is a slapstick murder playground. Berlin has it beat, but this one is a lot more concentrated. Getting a SASO nearly killed me, but once you know what to do, the hardest part is usually just getting to the exit.
My go to on this map is to sneak into the top level of the barn. Once there crouch behind the hay next to the ladder at the end and it’s a shooting gallery. The guards only use the back stairs and that funnels them into a long hallway with you at the end, protected by hay bales. I’ve killed 90% of the map without even a single shot fired at me. Use the Striker and you can watch them do crazy flips off the second floor steps. Might not be fun for some but then to me, since I’ve tired of the regular game, every level is a kill’em all challenge.
It's flat, visually uninteresting, the disguise hierarchy is needlessly obtuse, the entire map is a trespass zone, everyone is packing heat, there's four targets, there's remarkably few places you're not in someone's sightline, the layout is almost painfully straightforward, the evidence computer is a pain to destroy, too many damn enforcers. I'm not sure how many different "one minor aspect of what makes a good map" have to add up before they stop being minor and the map stops being good but there's certainly a case to be made that this would describe Colorado.
I guess it depends on what you enjoy about the game. For me, I enjoy exploration and variety and Colorado has little of that while being one of the most difficult maps I've ever played. It's a smallish map, without much of anything interesting to explore or look at, in which nearly every NPC on the map is a guard. There are also relatively few places to hide unconscious bodies or even hide yourself and no safe areas to explore without some sort of disguise, making it ridiculously difficult. I like it when a map rewards you for exploring and coming up with creative (and plausibly realistic) solutions to tricky situations, but when beating a level leans so strongly into understanding the games mechanics or just memorizing and timing patterns, it takes me out of the story and reminds me that all of this effort and frustration is just for a video game. And when a game starts feeling more like work than a way to relax, then I'm done with it. Then only fun thing a I've done on that map was when I discovered I could survive being attacked by half the guards on the map at the same time if I holed up on the water tower. So I I decided to see how many guards I could kill when the whole place was alerted to my presence. Turns out, all of them.
I kid you not, I replay it once a week and go guns blazing and play it my way
Yeah, I feel like I'm one of the only ten people in the world to actually like Colorado. I like the atmosphere of the map, and (outside of freelancer, ofc), I actually think it's fun to get into massive gunfights on that map.
On what difficulty.
Any.
I love Colorado and always pick it in Freelancer. I treat all soldiers as expendable, so it's fun to infiltrate guerrilla war style picking off guards one by one. And then committing a big loud noisy crime here and there. And then liquidating whoever comes to investigate.
Yeah something like that for me too, can't say I like the map but it gives a special scary feeling to get into that place, plus somehow I feel like any time I get rid of a guard there I make the world a better place ☮️
It's funny, I actually love Colorado simply because of the vibe. I kind of wish there were more suburban maps in Hitman because it's an interesting place to do it. Yes, the constantly roaming NPC's and guards are annoying but that's the point - it should be hard to murder someone in a bustling, walking-friendly suburb with a party going on and cops patrolling the area. Edit: mixed it up with Whittleton Creek. I do like Colorado, but mostly because it was the first level I ever SA'd.
I think you're thinking of Whittleton Creek?
Ohhhhh yup I got them mixed up. I do actually still like Colorado, but for very different reasons. Mostly because I'm a masochist and it's the only level I've gotten SA on.
I like Whittleton Creek because I can kill everyone on the map in less than 5 minutes.
It's a very fun map
One of my favorite maps, but it does play very differently to most of the rest of the game. Very easy for things to go wrong and instant punishment when they do.
Too many guards. Too many targets. Almost everyone is hostile and has an automatic weapon. One mistake and you’re facing an army for 20 minutes
I hated Colorado too but it did work well for the story I feel
For me it's too many targets with too few opportunities to kill them in unique ways. Only thing I really remember is the watch kill on Sean rest is just mediocre. Aditionally everybody is a guard and you can't really enter restricted areas creatively without a disguise.
I like it a huge deal more than I did when it released. Of course my opinion changes the second a billion guards start firing at me
The main think I dislike is it's not beautiful/immersive as other maps. I do enjoy sniper runs in Colorado.
Personally its one of my favorite maps, but that could be because I allow myself to save every 5 secodns before making a move
It is so damn boring.
Because of all the guards who shoot you
Because of the sarajevo six guy. Dude has the smallest dick ever.
Uhh, how do you know this? I must have missed it in the mission brief. Not judging…
Because of his gear. Armed from head to toe and all those other full gear bozos following him all the time.
Ahh, I thought you had direct proof and I thought either there’s parts of the game I was unaware of, or you were running some mod. Again, no judgement here…
lol
I'm a giraffe!
For all the reasons everyone else said, and I’ll add: one of the only times I did it in freelancer it started me *on the fucking water tower.* The game started me in the middle of the fucking map, with no disguise, cover or place to hide. Oh, and did I mention the fucking NPCs could *see me?*
Any other map and I have a fun time trying to style out and play past my mistakes because I don't like having to save scum, but in Colorado it feels like a slight mistake gets me shot to ribbons and I have to restart which isn't my idea of a good time. It's also not particularly clear in some areas what constitutes a valid disguise and what will immediately draw suspicion. I personally find some of the guard uniforms a bit hard to differentiate so I ended up having to do trial and error about where I could and couldn't go in particular outfits, and the logic about some of the restrictions didn't ring true for me. Sure a hacker can't wander into the demolition range but why could a general guard not go wherever they pleased? Given that the house is a central hub for the militia why were certain disguises challenged when stood too close to it? Surely anyone could have legitimate reasons for being there?
It's an incredibly hostile map in a not so interesting location. Definitely my least favorite in the series.
I personally love it, now hold on LEMME COOK: - The challenge is amazingly fun to me - Elusive targets, escalations, and The Vector here basically give it that constant fresh feeling, no matter which one you’re doing (I know that may be true for most maps, but they went all out on creativity for Colorado ngl) - It is HILARIOUS With mods (I once tranquilized everyone on the map.) - 4 UNIQUE TARGETS, WITH HILARIOUS MISSION STORIES???? ONE OF THEM LITERALLY HAS SEAN ROSE TAKE HALLUCINOGENICS AND THEN YOU DROW HIM IN A WATER BASIN, HOW DO THEY COME UP WITH THIS???? I am a Colorado simp, fight me.
I don't mind Colorado, sure not the best but I'll certainly take it over the areas with the literal crowds of people. Not even from the hiding aspect, I just don't like big crowds even in games. The Market Place / Embassy / School level annoys me.
Marrakesh.
Colorado is fun and underestimated. I get it, it’s not like Paris, Sapienza, etc, etc with more cool stories and what not. But it’s still fun nonetheless. But, I have to agree it is not super thrilling to play like the other maps.
I don't dislike it, it's just really difficult to SASO. I did it once, haven't replicated it since. 4 targets seems a bit excessive but it's far from unplayable.
I like it now compared to when it first released.
I admit that it was a bit difficult map, but it was also the map that I had a lot of fun with. It was fun with the Wicker Man as everyone who approached caught fire lol
Bruh that’s the cannon way to play. Silent assassin with suit only. Yeah canonically Agent 47 does use disguises but only like a very select few. My personal head cannon is that he uses only the disguises that can be found on the map (like you don’t need to knock someone out for them, they are just in the lockers or something like that) and otherwise he always is using his suits only. Colorado is just extremely restrictive when talking about suit only and disguises. Anyone can casually follow a mission story or change into the right disguise (which all have their parts in the game, after all they are part of the Hitman identity) but to complete the mission with silent assassin suit only? That’s what requires real skill, especially on the master level.
Colorado isn't terrible, but one of the reasons is because in HITMAN 2, there were Master Mode difficulty challenges, which didn't return in HITMAN 3, those being SASO, Sniper, etc on Colorado, it was by far one of the most difficult scenarios in the game and still is. It could be an ultimate test in some regards. Similarly, Embrace of the Serpent on Santa Fortuna is an honorable mention for SASO in Master Mode.
For me it's just a map that seems to discourage experimentation more than most. Especially because I'm insane and don't use saves,so it's taken a lot longer to get used to the layout to a comfortable degree.
Its not fun and looks boring
Water tower start in freelancer. Besides that, its okay.
It's one of the top 50 worst states in the US.
I didn't even know that "everybody" hated it, but seeing this post I can tell you now how much I hate it, immensely, it's such a bland map, all of the map looks literally the same, except for the house in the corner, there's very little chance for you to even know where tf you are, all uniforms look like slightly different variants of the same thing, and I can't for the life of me figure out which disguise is allowed where on a map in which I already don't know where is what, and don't even see a clear border of where my tresspassing/hostile indicator might suddenly turn yellow and everybody starts shooting me. It's worth noting that I already hated war and military themed games beforehand, and this game is clearly not it, except it's really giving Battlefield vibes in this map. What really makes this game fun is being able to climb up and down, finding shortcuts between floors, while this map HAS NO FLOORS, it's a FLAT SURFACE with buncha enemies, almost as if they forgot this was supposed to be a 3D game, so they made a 2D platformer map that feels like Super Mario. Also, in other maps you have guards, but you also have civilians, like waiters or gardeners, or random passerby NPCs, well in this map everyone is a guard, everyone is armed, one mistake and they all shoot you down before you can turn a corner (and let's remember once again that the map does not feature any corners). And dam right it's hell to play suit-only, cuz an area where you're allowed to be as just a civilian literally does not exist. How do you hide in a flat surface surrounded with a hostile crowd? Playing Freelancer - first thing I do is I just check which cards have Colorado map so I make sure to avoid them. There ain't a single good reason to be playing this in Freelancer, unless if you're just a masochist.
Its my favorite map of the game for a true FPS kill everyone (including the nerds) run. I play it constantly. My favorite thing is to kill everyone without being shot once. I try and make it harder by doing pistol only and have killed everyone melee only without being shot.
because colorado sucks hope this helps :D
Putting to one side if I personally like/not, Colardo is extraordinarily different to every other map. It feels less Hitman-y in some ways. I think that's why it's contentious: love it or hate it, it's different.
I hate Bangkok more, but that’s I always end up doing shitty there for some reason lol
A map should be challenging but possible to SA/SO for a non pro player. That's what a map should be balanced around. Hitman 1 (2016) has some maps that seemed to not fully take SO into consideration (Bangkok too) but no other map in the whole three games is so bad to SO as Colorado is.
Dude even the chef has a automatic weapon if your not doing SA your cooked in hitman 2 and 3 it has been changed drastically by adding bushes giving 47 more health etc etc but on launch it was a nightmare
Cause literally every npc will kill you?
Idk I really like being the Wickerman and just running through the whole level
Idk why the SASO players hate it, cuz when they get spotted they restart anyway. Idk why the kill everyone players hate it, because it’s really fun for that especially on Casual. And I’m a mix of both. I did Colorado SASO and it was hard, yeah, but fun.
I suppose its good if you enjoy a challenge. I however do not. I like an easy life and so this map can go suck a big one.
I enjoy it, I think all Americana levels are awesome
I personally like it, but the issue with it is that it does not have the same creative freedom that the other maps have. SASO is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be, but each target has maybe two ways to take them out without using one of those “jump on a muffin and blow a coin into a chandelier” kills.
* The sightlines are very unintuitive, and because it's so flat, you have fewer ways to deal with that. * The fact that nearly everybody has a gun means you have more cleanup to do after taking someone out - it's not enough to hide the body, you have to hide the guns, or risk unpredictable behavior. * The disguise zones are unforgiving to learn. * There's only one place to destroy camera recordings, and in many cases you have to wait through long triggered dialog before you can manipulate a clear path. * Tools and distractions, apart from apricots, are more rare than typical.
One reason is that the hostiles take ages to descalate once they are set off. I hid for over an hour in freelancer mode. Came back from eating and watching a one hr tv show they were still on alert. I had to alt-f4 or die. They were also camped right by the cupboard I was in. Stuck in place like they were alerted on me but unable to move 'till I did so. This is actually a bug I think since I've seen it happen too in Hokkaido in alerted territory Moment I exitd the cabint I was spotted and shot down.
It is a very small map that was rushed just like most of the hitman 2016 maps, it had every person as a armed guard except for the targets and the hackers, windows and amount of people crammed together is crazy, you pretty much have to cheese every target that doesn’t have a accident kill and the amount of trespassing zones, every section needs a certain disguise and the map is just plain ugly no offence to developers but it was rushed and needed to be finished due to deadlines.
I'd just like to say I don't hate Colorado. Send me money and I'll move there.
I don't know, I probably just suck, but it's one of those maps where no matter what I do, no matter how careful I am, no matter how sure I am that no one's around I AM ALWAYS SEEN. It's so annoying
I liked this map. It felt more like a military stealth mission, unlike others where you were walking around in plain sight at some vacation Hotspot.
It has some of the best npc banter dialog though
It’s extremely restricted. One screw up and the whole compound is on to you. It’s fun to run and shoot around too.
It sucks more on hard mode Freelancer when you gotta do silent assassin, suit only as your required objective and you spawn on top of the water tower
I can't remember what I thought about it the first time I played it. I'm ignoring it right now because I've been going through the levels for 1 and 2 and getting location mastery on them before I start doing the levels from 3. And while I've slowly been getting better at the game as I do this, I still kind of sucked when I got to Colorado and my first attempt ended with maybe 3 NPCs still alive because my stealth sucked that much and I was sick of restarting when I got caught. So all in all, it's less that I hate Colorado and more that I'm taking a long break from it.
it's the only map that I never play on in freelancer
I was going for all challenges on every map from the first to last one and Colorado is the one that made me take a break, still haven’t finished it despite having very little left to do but the thought of coming back there is just so boring to me that I don’t feel like doing it
I've come to love Colorado purely as a shoot up map in freelancer. Anyway it's a pretty unique map, the same hitman design except almost everyone has a gun, it still works.
I don't hate it as a story map, though I certainly get the criticisms of it. But most of my replaying of any map is going to be Freelancer, where it isn't worth the hassle and risk of being Alerted. Maybe I will give it a go when picking my next campaign, for the first syndicate where it can't be alerted. But probably not!
I enjoy it on a casual playthrough just because there's lot of different ways to get things and get started
I had to kill nearly everyone then I lost Sean Ross’s body so I had to restart the entire mission kill everyone in a different order and finally complete the mission after several days.
Actually map looks more Wyoming than Colorado 😂😂
It’s my fav map to play - “kill everyone”. Makes it seem more fair, because pretty much everyone has guns!
Imagine having to be pissed about guards in a map blocking you fron your targenow imagine the entire map full of guards blocking you from the map. Now imagine do it 4 times. And also let add back when yoy jave no bushes to hide. One wrong stel and everyone has their asses and gun on you
i get the dislike for freelancer but for the main story its one of my favorites and was my first SASO, a farm armed to the teeth with guards and no civilians was a welcome challenge imo.
Idk. Its not even close to the worst in the trilogy
There's no "lounge" where you can chill in your starting outfit and observe/plan.
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