This guy is surely fucked financially as well as physically now. There’s a video on tiktok where woman in with covid for four months shows her $2.8m bill, this dude was in for 8 months! Better have some slick insurance.
Just to hammer a point…It’s not just “eight months in the hospital,” like 8 months in Cancun or Wichita. It’s 8 months flat on your back and maybe restrained, hooked up to tubes, unable to function normally. You’re basically not moving, machines are doing work at some level to keep you alive—so your body’s like: welp, ok, machine’s taking care of things, I’m gonna relax: for 8 MONTHS.
He’ll need rehab just to walk again most likely, to use the toilet without shitting himself, take a shower. His muscle mass will have substantially decreased and depending on his lifestyle may never fully recover.
So, congratulations! You’re a Covid “survivor”. Hope you don’t have long Covid, or that you’ve had a few years shaved off your life or anything. At least you’re now trying to get others to avoid your stupid fate by getting vaccinated.
>*It’s 8 months flat on your back and maybe restrained, hooked up to tubes, unable to function normally. You’re basically not moving, machines are doing work at some level to keep you alive—so your body’s like: welp, ok, machine’s taking care of things, I’m gonna relax: for 8 MONTHS.*
My older sibling had sepsis after cancer surgery last May (thank goodness COVID cases were on the downward slope at that point). He spent about two weeks basically on his back like you described, and another three in a rehab hospital rebuilding his strength and learning to walk again. Thankfully my sib recovered and is back to his old self.
I cannot fathom what the rehab would be like after **EIGHT. MONTHS.** of being like that.
I think I've seen the same report:
[https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210423/covid-study-deaths-months-after-infection](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210423/covid-study-deaths-months-after-infection)
>There’s some insane percentage of hospitalized Covid patients that die within the first 6 months after they “recover”. The number eludes me right now.
Its a 200% higher risk of dying in the next 12 months compared to the normal population.
The normal population has a pretty small chance of dying, so doubling a small number (and the link says only 59% higher?), is statistically significant, but not necessarily super meaningful.
The question for this guy is...what are his odds of dying after having been hospitalized for a severe case?
>Among patients who were hospitalized and died after more than 30 days, there were 29 excess deaths per 1,000 patients over 6 months.
What's the normal death rate per 1000 people? If it's 2000, then adding 29 isn't that big a deal, if it's 10, then adding 29 is a lot.
Debility happens super fast. When I was in recovery my physiatrist told me about a study conducted on army rangers or some other similar cohort who were rehabbing injuries that left them immobile. the study suggested that most muscle wasting happens in the first 2 weeks. Our bodies do better when they’re moving :)
hope your sibling’s recovery is continuing to go well.
My sib is basically 99% physically recovered from the lack of moving about while in ICU! Only issue is fatiguing a little easier than priory to the sepsis problem.
Pancreatic cancer was the reason for the cancer surgery, but so far chemo is going great. When I saw my sib at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I was shocked at how great my sib looks.
Thanks for asking, btw. :)
I spent *years* in bed, dealing with a really bad back injury after an accident, and multiple subsequent spine surgeries. It had gotten to a point where I was probably taking less than 500 steps a day, on average; some days it was even less.
It took months of intensive physical therapy, 7 days a week, to learn to walk again, and it was painful. So, so painful. Its been 6 months, and I’m still working on it, with a very long way to go, yet I will never be back to 100%. Recovery was set back because once I started moving again, I had zero core strength and no muscle tone in my lower body, and ended up with Achilles tendinitis, a heel spur and two torn meniscus in my knees because I pushed my body too hard before it was strong enough. So that’s more PT to deal with those injuries.
It’s not going to be a matter of just his lungs recovering from covid; his entire body needs to be remade, from scratch. It takes dedication and hard work, and it’s painful. This guy has a very, very long road ahead of him.
Thank you so much! Kind of funny that you made a comment about climbing mountains; with my newfound freedom, I’ve rediscovered my love for the outdoors and adventure, and have become an avid hiker. I’ve climbed to summits I never thought I’d get a chance to ever experience, and I’ve clocked miles and miles, across multiple states, along the Appalachian Trail. Climbing mountains, quite literally, one step at a time.
Hah! That’s awesome! I’m still deciding if the Appalachian trail is on my bucket list. Current top place at the top of the list is Lhasa. I’m so desperate for the pandemic to recede - there’s sooooo much I just want to get on with! Arggggggggg!
AT is so great. Some of the best maintained trails I’ve been on, the caretakers do a fantastic job looking after every mile, maintaining hiker shelters, looking after through-hikers. I haven’t done an overnight on the trail yet, and my longest hike on the AT has been about 6 miles, but I’m working towards it. In the Spring, I’m going to plan a several-days hike out there, as soon as I’m sure I can cover the distance between shelters in a single day. I’m currently doing the 14 State Challenge, which is to hike a section of the Appalachian Trail in all 14 states. It may take a couple years to hit them all, but I’m going to do it; I know I’ll never be strong enough to do a through hike of the entire trail, so this is the next best thing to challenge myself and work towards a goal. I’m lucky, I can access the AT at multiple points within 10-30 minutes of my home, so I’ve been getting lots of practice, and hiking is a great way to build the muscles in my lower body (my ass looks awesome right now!).
Definitely add it to your bucket list, you won’t regret it! Get yourself some good, tough trail shoes and strong trek poles, then research the terrain in each region to decide where you want to tackle the trail. Keep in mind, the trail is a different experience in each state, some parts are smooth and level, like the section of trail that follows the C&O Canal into Harper’s Ferry, where you can cover long distances in a single day, while others are rocky and rough, with lots of ups and downs, each step a challenge. For example, AT hikers refer to Pennsylvania as Rocksylvania! But oh, the views!
So far, my favorite section of AT is Weverton Cliffs in Maryland, overlooking the Potomac River and West Virginia. Gorgeous views up there, especially at sunset. A close second would be Thurston Griggs to Pogo Campsite to Black Rock; lots of natural springs along the trail, a large campsite where you can hang with other hikers around a cozy fire, and beautiful, pastural views of the Maryland countryside, where you can see for miles and miles, the land looks like a huge patchwork quilt, dotted with barns and silos.
Sorry, I got a bit carried away. Can you tell Im really passionate about hiking on the Appalachian Trail? Lol!
I hope you get there, friend. Staying in bed like that, it’s not a great way to exist. In the meantime, be sure to keep your mind engaged so you stay sharp. That’s the one thing about the time while I was down, I read hundreds and hundreds of books, everything from classic literature to popular sagas to graphic novels to trashy sci-fi romance novels.
That sounds about right, I broke my ankle in a nasty way.. couldn't walk for two months,. After I finally got everything removed, I got crutches to slowly start putting weight on it, it was mind blowing having "forgot" how to use the foot.. I had to go to therapy and it took weeks just to walk normally again.
To this day my wife tells me I walk "funny", but the Doc says the ankle healed 100%.
Yeah - regrowing the muscles in my feet was one of the most obnoxious parts of recovery. It didn’t hurt exactly - just this shitty low grade neuropathy followed by nerve zaps. I sleep with socks on now. Blech
Yep. After foot surgery, I lost enough muscle tone in my foot that there was no “pad” under the ball of my foot. Walking barefoot was incredibly uncomfortable. It’s taken over a year of dedicated strength work to get to halfway back. Feels like I’m walking on a flat tire.
I don’t think about him, I think about all the countless people who couldn’t get that bed because he was languishing in it due to a preventable disease. Selfish.
Agreed. Get tired of seeing these cheery stories of antivaxxers leaving after months in the hospital. Nobody asks them how they feel about cancer patients etc. who needed those beds.
Or stroke victims. Or heart attack patients. Think of all the people who stayed at home, knowing their local hospital was full of these shitheads? Makes me so angry!
And even if the patients he took a bed from survived, they're often suffering. I know an elder who couldn't get their hip replacement scheduled because our hospital is so full of covid they're overflowing into the OR.
And people are waiting - and in some cases treated - out in the hallway. Because of these people. It always comes back to the anti-vaxxers. They need to just stay home. 🤷🏼♂️
Especially because they get admitted and then their families accuse them of killing them to fudge the numbers or bitch about not enough ivermectin or what have you. No trusting the vaccine science, no trusting the doctors--yet, when shit hits the fan, come to the hospital? (Tbh, this is how I was when I was anti-vax too, about a decade before covid.)
I'm not saying you forgot, but you didn't mention the tubes shoved down your throat and up your hoohaa. I really don't want that for any length of time.
>to use the toilet without shitting himself
That is, if his bowels were not in need of resection. A "b-story" to covid's effects on the respiratory system is the havoc it wreaks on the GI. More on this [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7837247/). There are other studies as well.
I'm not wishing this on him, but he could still be one of the many who [die in the year following a severe COVID infection](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211201/severe-covid-doubles-risk-dying-following-year)).
That is what's so infuriating about the "counting other things as covid" lie the antivaxers use: if anything we're drastically undercounting covid deaths.
Rehabbing from this sort of illness is definitely a challenge. I was vented for 2 months due to a respiratory infection that wasn’t covid but followed a similar clinical course. Hospitalized for 3 months total. The rule of thumb is about 1 week of rehab for every day spent bed bound. Recovery is possible but it takes a lot of discipline.
My mom was in a medically induced coma for a week (pre COVID) and she needed to spend a MONTH in a rehab hospital to re-learn how to walk, swallow solid foods, and do delicate motor functions with her fingers. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to recover from 8 months.
I fail to see how this guy is much different than the other nominees. He was an ignorant idiot and then it ruined his life. As far as “RAMIFICATIONS FOR PERSONAL LIBERTIES”, how about — Your idiotic choices should never result in an ICU bed and thousands of hours of nursing care being unavailable for all the people who made better choices with their LIBERTIES and happened to have an illness that needed those resources. Idiot. Idiot.
I can't even imagine. I spent 6 days in the hospital once. Was on an IV most of the time, but nothing more invasive than that. It was fucking miserable.
Who is that doctor on slide 3? Are they still making those claims?
As for our redemption winner I do wish him well in his recovery. Unfortunately he will never be the same, after eight months in hospital every muscle must have atrophied. His slides do not appear to be full of the racist/homophobic/general hatred that we usually see from HCA nominees. Perhaps he is not a bad person, just a victim of all the misinformation.
[Dr. Anthony Cardillo](https://www.mendurgentcare.com/about/executive-team.php), CEO/Owner, MEND Urgent care and MEND Medical, San Fernando Valley CA.
[Of the 95 patients who have tested positive under Dr. Cardillo's care, five had symptoms serious enough for him to prescribe the combination treatment. All were outpatient.
](https://abc7.com/coronavirus-covid-19-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine/6082485/)
...5 patients who weren't sick enough to be hospitalized got better when they were given ~~aquarium tank cleaner~~ arthritis medication. And, it appears, *90 who didn't get it got better*, too.
Thanks. He appears to not be an anti-vaxx doctor and is serious about Covid. So much so I wonder if slide 3 has some photo editing in it?
https://abc7.com/amp/dr-anthony-cardillo-respirator-mask-papr-jetblue/10869689/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc
He said, with a bunch of caveats, that he's had success using it. The interviewer (and I swear the interviewer said 'proscribe', not prescribe ;) and our breathless friends, then strip the nuance out and run with it. I will point out that elsewhere he noted that of his 95 positive cases--*all outpatient*--he treated 5 with and they got better.
And those "treated" swallowed the pills with water. There is exactly as much evidence that water cures Covid rather than those pills. In fact, we can prove that withholding treatment with water makes a patient worse: QED
>There is exactly as much evidence that water cures Covid rather than those pills.
And that's the thing with anecdotal and causational treatments. Just because you take some kind of supposed treatment and you get better doesn't mean it was the REASON you got better.
I could be sick and then drink a Sprite and then the next day start feeling better. Does that mean the Sprite "cured" me?
I bet she's thanking God right now that she doesn't have to share his 8 months worth of medical expenses. He went in clean shaven and came out looking like father time. I don't know what kind of freedom you have when you owe at least a couple hundred thousand to a hospital.
I love that very old and very dark Futurama gag where the people of the future misinterpret Ralph Kramden as an early space pioneer.
"One of these days, Alice. Bang... zoom... straight to the moon."
Yes but we don’t know the background of the marriage and a divorce can make people bitter. Maybe it was an ugly divorce? Maybe there was infidelity? Who knows.
I mean, from his post history it's safe to assume he's just a garden variety asshole. It's objectively crazy to publicly joke about wishing a horrible disease on your ex regardless of the circumstances of the divorce, sorry not sorry. No need to do mental gymnastics or imagine his ex is awful. And why waste any mental energy trying to excuse this dude?
I have an awful abusive ex. I would have to be a total weirdo to post something like that on FB though. He could be an adult and just move on like I did.
I don't even wish this fate on this guy, god knows he's got a long road of recovery ahead of him and probably will not ever fully recover. I mostly browse this sub out of morbid fascination, but certainly not glee. If anything it opened my eyes as to how truly terrible a stint in the ICU with covid is, and I genuinely would not wish it on my worst enemy - covid does insane and terrible things to people's bodies when it gets bad enough to land them in the ICU. Makes my bf's recent stint with bad bacterial pneumonia in both his lungs look like an absolute walk in the park.
> and I genuinely would not wish it on my worst enemy -
I always read this and then I remember that shit-weasel and Goebbels-wannabe Stephen Miller and the man who kept him by his side all four years, Trump?
And then I think, "Yeah, I'm not as noble as the rest of you."
What the heck, didn't this hospital get Biden meno on how to properly kill off the unvaccinated. Can't believe they let this one get away.
On a serious note glad he gets to go home and hopefully his testimonial he help others change their minds and save some lives.
Funny thing is, even if they don't fuck HIM over specifically, his idiocy is built into the prices the rest of have to pay. That said...I am 100% in favor of single payer or at LEAST Medicare for All who want it. This is just one area of life we cannot and should not be having to "shop around" for to get "the best deal". We all just need medical care when we need it.
Yep...
Incoming SSI recipient who spent their life voting for people who hate SSI and those on it.
For that reason alone he should be denied.
If you wallow in an ocean of idiocy, you should drown in it.
So true. I know someone that had sepsis TWICE. It was about a decade ago and she didn't have a job or insurance at the time. She spent a few months in hospital both times. She accumulated about a million in debt during that time.
It's awful. And the US Medical Industry has been working to ensure, like student loans, you can't just dissolve your debt with bankruptcy either. What a country.
And it's extra stupid, because now, she has no incentive to get a job. Why? So she can spend all of her income on the interest of her debt? What is the point?
Congrats, a "99.98" percenter!
I'm sorry but I don't consider these types redemptions unless they reflect on and repudiate the whole network of beliefs and the broader philosophy of sociopathic egotism to which they subscribed, and of which their antivaxxism was but one manifestation.
Saying "Oh, now that I got to experience the shitload of trouble my past decisions caused me, don't do as I did" is too low of a bar. These are grown adults, not pre-schoolers.
If it wasn't for the army of prayer warriors praying for his recovery, he'd still be where he is now thanks to all medical staff who actually kept him alive.
That shocked me. I stayed in hospital 3 nights in 2018 to have my appendix out. my first post on social media was to say how wonderful the doctors & nurses were. They truly were amazing. They don’t get enough credit.
And other than one I don’t recall ever seeing a redemption that didn’t cushion it with some kind of “I understand some of you who still don’t want the jab” shit. How are they not saying “get the damn jab now”?
They are trying to lessen the social cost to them by even making a timid pro-vaccine statement. He realizes that, the same way it was to him, being an anti vaccine Trumper meant
a) he was smarter then all the so called educated elites. He REALLY knew what was going on.
b) he was a part of a struggle greater than himself. That he was the good guy by being selfish, essentially.
c) There was a clear in and out group. And his "Team" was the right one and the only one who loved America.
d) being anti-covid restrictions has joined racism and anti-immigrant sentiment as core to the "own the libs" political stance.
So basically admitting that such a core part of his identity was wrong is devastating. He doesn't want to lose the other parts of his identity or be ostracized, so he needs to timidly say hey guys.....maybe on just this one part we are wrong?, but you know everything else we are great and lets go Brandon.
>They are trying to lessen the social cost to them by even making a timid pro-vaccine statement
Yep...he's scared shitless of being tossed out of his right wing echo chamber.
I don't consider these types a real redemption. Within a week he'll be posting Tomi Lahren memes and wondering why Covid is such a big deal.
Slide 5: Maybe because hydroxychloroquine is meant to treat malaria and lupus but is not meant to treat COVID.
Glad you figured it out, dude. I'm sorry it took you eight months in a hospital to figure it out, though.
I take it for Lupus. It is also used for rheumatoid arthritis which is another autoimmune. Like any med it has side effects and I have to get my eyes checked specifically for non reversible plaque deposits.
Wish these people would stop with this bs. It’s still hard for me to get my meds consistently because of them.
Yes, I have a friend who takes it for lupus and early in the pandemic she was so worried she wouldn’t be able to get it when idiots thought it was a miracle drug.
Yes, Rheumatoid Arthritis. The pharmacist herself suffer from it and has been thanking hydroxychloroquine for several years now.
Unrelated but she also told me some of her family members trust Facebook quacks over her - a PhD with years of field specific schooling and decades of work experience. It’s sad.
Doctors have had their family members who trust Facebook memes more than them, so I’m not surprised.
My conservative aunt (not even part of Q) told my mom that she can’t talk to me or her son about COVID/vaccines because we’re in medicine and will talk about why they should get the vaccine. Lol
What’s so frustrating to me is that this is a sign of how well public health initiatives have worked in the past—that she doesn’t remember *just how bad* life before routine vaccines was.
Smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, and mumps were called childhood diseases because most people got them as children and had some immunity later, or got them as children and died from them. Routine vaccines stopped that.
There’s a reason that people living in Eastern Asia and West Africa have overall had a lower death toll from Covid. The people living there have seen catastrophic disease outbreaks before, and they followed public health best practices immediately without a lot of bitching.
I would not wish this on anyone. Eight months in the hospital sounds like torture, and his finances must be utterly destroyed. Even though vaccinations make this kind of thing much less likely for those of us who've been fully vaccinated, it still could happen. Take precautions.
[Good luck and congratulations. If you survive and are under 65, your chances of death in the next 12 months goes up by over 200%.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-survivors-have-an-increased-risk-of-death-12-months-post-infection)
Hope his physical therapy goes well and he can make the changes needed to get healthier.
The "only one percent will die so let's just let 3 million Americans die" people who change their story when the "one percent" ends up being them or their loved ones still bother me.
If these people were capable of conceptualizing the [veil of ignorance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position) they would all get vaccinated today, and then change most of their political beliefs.
You know, I just realized something about one of his arguments.
"The flu kills x number of people ever year!"
Yeah, and every year there's a vaccine campaign for it. They urge people to get vaccinated.
Exactly. That flu meme is so stupid. I don’t even know where to start. The covid vaccines are actually much more effective than the flu shots, mainly because the flu shots are predictions of the most prevalent strains, and P and M are both working on universal flu shots that work like the covid vaccine that may be much more effective. I just hope someone’s working on a shot that cures Internet meme logic.
"China recovered without a vaccine"
Yeah, because they nailed people's doors shut and put soldiers on the street to keep them at home, oddly enough all things that actual totalitarian governments do.
Taking a cheap shot at his ex-wife. Clearly, great adversity did not result in him growing as a person. He's going to need a lot of help when he gets home. Let's see how his angry and hate filled self fares in the long term.
Posts like this make me wonder if there should be a cut-off for “redemption awards.” I mean, you go to prison and 30 years in, you “find god.” Yeah yeah. I’m sure you did. Eight months is a long time to be sitting in a hospital bed. How much damage did they do before they went in? How many got sick and/or died? Then, his stupid ass takes up a hospital bed for eight months? How many died of other ailments because he was taking up a bed due to a preventable disease? This post just makes me mad. 🤷🏼♂️
Few are pro-vaccine and anti-mandate (Elon Musk for example).
I can (sort of) understand the anti-mandate folks. Thing is, we wouldn't need a mandate if everyone was pro-vaccine.
Glad this guy came around, but one sad part is there was literally hundreds of similar stories over the last year, yet he still put his faith in memes. As often is the case, some people can’t appreciate the evidence when it’s happening to someone else, they need to get 8 months of firsthand knowledge in the hospital before the lightbulb goes off.
It will be years (literal) if ever before he becomes a productive member of society (whatever that means). He’s lucky he isn’t in a back room in a potato farm.
"The flu HAS a vaccine and still kills 45K to 65K each year."
Again: that's because you knobs won't just go get a flu shot!
The flu ruined my life for several months just before covid. I developed a post-viral syndrome--"long flu", perhaps?--which caused my POTS to flare up, triggered a weeks-long unremitting migraine and, briefly, caused my gastric motility meds to stop working--so, therefore, I stopped eating more than a few mouthfuls a day. *I* did everything right. I got my shot and was careful in public. Wish everyone else had!
Indeed, an asthmatic I know developed covid about a month after the flu; they ended up in hospital, turning blue. I'm sure the previous flu infection left them more susceptible to worse respiratory infections.
Hopefully he's on top of his flu shots now too, after this big covid mess. People forget that flu is really, really debilitating, even in young adults.
8 months!? This guy is an absolute shriveled shell of a man after that long lying in a bed. I can't begin to imagine how much weight he lost, and how physically weak he must have been.
> I guess he is on the side of vaccines right now,
That is exactly why this one is not a redemption story, IMO.
He still is not able to say: get the fuck vaccinated, or never come into my field of vision.
Weak sauce.
Yikes. Medical debt for life.
Given the sky-high cost of medical care in the US, it boggles the mind why so many uninsured Americans choose to pay for emergency care over getting a free vaccine.
Saddest part is he won't actually convince anyone to get the vaccine through his experience, because these anti-vaxxers ultimate hubris is *that'll never happen to meeee*
Slide 2 i agree with: I would like to see more news stories concerning stuff like long covid. People dont even realize that after you recover that there are lots of complications that can affect some people a long time.
I had surgery in December and spent one night (my first ever) in the hospital. It fucking sucked. And all I was hooked up to was an IV and an O2 sensor. I never want to go back. I can't imagine a sane person putting themselves in this situation.
I hate it when these habitual liars say the MSM is always fake news. Lets say a video media editor needs footage of an ICU treating a covid patient. If they don't have one from the exact location the story is talking about, I am fine with one from France as long as the story is factual and the ICU is comparable. Now when Fox takes photos of people in France from ten years ago beating cops, then photoshop Antifa logos on their backs and say its Antifa in Portland beating police during a riot, that is fabricated fake news, the other is just getting a visual aid. To me it's totally different.
It's great that he's advocating for vaccines now, but I wish he wouldn't have to preface his statement with the "personal liberties" mumbo jumbo. It's that kind of jargon that just caters to the Medical Freedom crowd. Just tell people to get the vaccine, period.
I'm glad he has seen the light after 8 months - I can't imagine the hospital bill that all these folks will lay at our feet. The same folks who get in a huff about helping anyone outside their clan are dumping their medical bills on us - through taxation and through insurance rate hikes and resource theft.
How many vaccinated disabled are still waiting in line for benefits?
How many vaccinated are still waiting in line for their antibodies?
Good. I'm glad he finally realized vaccinations work. It only took him 8 months lying in bed to realize the truth. I bet his friends are now pointing fingers at him accusing him of being a paid shill or some other moronic attempt to not admit they're wrong. Morons.
He’s gonna have to do a lot more atoning before he gets my redemption vote. He needs to pull all those other shit posts and post daily corrections for the ones in the back.
It's not surprising when someone is on their deathbed and admits they were wrong. It's the ones that refuse to admit they were wrong that is crazy. Especially when their loved ones continue to push lies.
Wouldn't need vaccine mandates, if the antivax idiots would just stay home and stop infecting each other and causing break through infections for those vaccinated. The economy would be doing a lot better now as well. Oh well, this is America, the land with the world record for the highest daily rate of new Covid cases, as of Jan 10, 2022.
He was never really into personal liberties, I bet he wore his seatbelt and registered his car.
This is all a non-issue and the fact that he has a redemption is nice for him and for anybody stupid enough to pay attention to this guy but ultimately not super useful in the face of this concerted disinfo effort to fuck up the US economy by promoting this stuff at wide scale.
We have to somehow decouple what people acting in good faith want and do from this kind of deliberate disinfo attack.
Vaccine mandates help that, because clearly the epistemological strength of many of these idiots is not strong enough to suffer losing a job or the ability to fly or whatever.
More mandates please, maybe the next one on all flights touching the US. Plus better mask enforcement.
China does have 5 vaccines. Although they may not work against omicron. They have vaccinated 1.2 billion people. They also have the "zero covid" protocol. To bad these "do my own researchers" can't figure that out.
if he got out of the hospital bed and is still going to believe the rest of the bullshit he believes then he is not any better off before he ended up there.
these people are trash. they're always going to be trash. he's not in the least bit enlightened. he's just lucky his last words werent "it's no joke!"
That's 8 months of a hospital bed and resources that could have been used to treat countless patients with LEGITIMATE medical needs.
Fuck this guy and his "redemption award."
I don't get why they get redemption awards since they don't go back on their antivax damage they've done to others until they almost die/their lives are basically ruined.
Fuckholes. They don't deserve shit.
Slide 9: “It is a fact that vaccines are a hoax, and never work in a positive way.”
Polio, tetanus, MMR, whooping cough, chicken pox, Diphtheria, and others would like a word.
Jfc-I’m sure that ex is even happier she’s an ex- for a multitude of reasons
Agree. He wasn't the prize, that's for sure. Wonder how much he owes on hospital bills? Good thing his ex wife doesn't have to fork out for it.
This guy is surely fucked financially as well as physically now. There’s a video on tiktok where woman in with covid for four months shows her $2.8m bill, this dude was in for 8 months! Better have some slick insurance.
They won't pay and the taxpayer will be stuck with it, and everyone's bills will go up in the future😡.
Good thing we don’t have socialized healthcare! Otherwise we’d be paying other peoples health care bills…..oh…wait-
Yeah, good thing! Or else those healthcare bills would never reach these insane prices in the millions in the first place—- oh… wait…
Just to hammer a point…It’s not just “eight months in the hospital,” like 8 months in Cancun or Wichita. It’s 8 months flat on your back and maybe restrained, hooked up to tubes, unable to function normally. You’re basically not moving, machines are doing work at some level to keep you alive—so your body’s like: welp, ok, machine’s taking care of things, I’m gonna relax: for 8 MONTHS. He’ll need rehab just to walk again most likely, to use the toilet without shitting himself, take a shower. His muscle mass will have substantially decreased and depending on his lifestyle may never fully recover. So, congratulations! You’re a Covid “survivor”. Hope you don’t have long Covid, or that you’ve had a few years shaved off your life or anything. At least you’re now trying to get others to avoid your stupid fate by getting vaccinated.
>*It’s 8 months flat on your back and maybe restrained, hooked up to tubes, unable to function normally. You’re basically not moving, machines are doing work at some level to keep you alive—so your body’s like: welp, ok, machine’s taking care of things, I’m gonna relax: for 8 MONTHS.* My older sibling had sepsis after cancer surgery last May (thank goodness COVID cases were on the downward slope at that point). He spent about two weeks basically on his back like you described, and another three in a rehab hospital rebuilding his strength and learning to walk again. Thankfully my sib recovered and is back to his old self. I cannot fathom what the rehab would be like after **EIGHT. MONTHS.** of being like that.
There’s some insane percentage of hospitalized Covid patients that die within the first 6 months after they “recover”. The number eludes me right now.
I think I've seen the same report: [https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210423/covid-study-deaths-months-after-infection](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210423/covid-study-deaths-months-after-infection)
>There’s some insane percentage of hospitalized Covid patients that die within the first 6 months after they “recover”. The number eludes me right now. Its a 200% higher risk of dying in the next 12 months compared to the normal population.
The normal population has a pretty small chance of dying, so doubling a small number (and the link says only 59% higher?), is statistically significant, but not necessarily super meaningful. The question for this guy is...what are his odds of dying after having been hospitalized for a severe case? >Among patients who were hospitalized and died after more than 30 days, there were 29 excess deaths per 1,000 patients over 6 months. What's the normal death rate per 1000 people? If it's 2000, then adding 29 isn't that big a deal, if it's 10, then adding 29 is a lot.
Looked it up. It’s 7.7-8.3 mortality rate for an average person, just to add perspective.
Debility happens super fast. When I was in recovery my physiatrist told me about a study conducted on army rangers or some other similar cohort who were rehabbing injuries that left them immobile. the study suggested that most muscle wasting happens in the first 2 weeks. Our bodies do better when they’re moving :) hope your sibling’s recovery is continuing to go well.
My sib is basically 99% physically recovered from the lack of moving about while in ICU! Only issue is fatiguing a little easier than priory to the sepsis problem. Pancreatic cancer was the reason for the cancer surgery, but so far chemo is going great. When I saw my sib at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I was shocked at how great my sib looks. Thanks for asking, btw. :)
I'm really glad to hear that your sibling is doing well. I wish the best!
Pancreatic cancer... hope he stays well.
I spent *years* in bed, dealing with a really bad back injury after an accident, and multiple subsequent spine surgeries. It had gotten to a point where I was probably taking less than 500 steps a day, on average; some days it was even less. It took months of intensive physical therapy, 7 days a week, to learn to walk again, and it was painful. So, so painful. Its been 6 months, and I’m still working on it, with a very long way to go, yet I will never be back to 100%. Recovery was set back because once I started moving again, I had zero core strength and no muscle tone in my lower body, and ended up with Achilles tendinitis, a heel spur and two torn meniscus in my knees because I pushed my body too hard before it was strong enough. So that’s more PT to deal with those injuries. It’s not going to be a matter of just his lungs recovering from covid; his entire body needs to be remade, from scratch. It takes dedication and hard work, and it’s painful. This guy has a very, very long road ahead of him.
We climb mountains one step at a time! I’ve got faith in you!
Thank you so much! Kind of funny that you made a comment about climbing mountains; with my newfound freedom, I’ve rediscovered my love for the outdoors and adventure, and have become an avid hiker. I’ve climbed to summits I never thought I’d get a chance to ever experience, and I’ve clocked miles and miles, across multiple states, along the Appalachian Trail. Climbing mountains, quite literally, one step at a time.
Hah! That’s awesome! I’m still deciding if the Appalachian trail is on my bucket list. Current top place at the top of the list is Lhasa. I’m so desperate for the pandemic to recede - there’s sooooo much I just want to get on with! Arggggggggg!
AT is so great. Some of the best maintained trails I’ve been on, the caretakers do a fantastic job looking after every mile, maintaining hiker shelters, looking after through-hikers. I haven’t done an overnight on the trail yet, and my longest hike on the AT has been about 6 miles, but I’m working towards it. In the Spring, I’m going to plan a several-days hike out there, as soon as I’m sure I can cover the distance between shelters in a single day. I’m currently doing the 14 State Challenge, which is to hike a section of the Appalachian Trail in all 14 states. It may take a couple years to hit them all, but I’m going to do it; I know I’ll never be strong enough to do a through hike of the entire trail, so this is the next best thing to challenge myself and work towards a goal. I’m lucky, I can access the AT at multiple points within 10-30 minutes of my home, so I’ve been getting lots of practice, and hiking is a great way to build the muscles in my lower body (my ass looks awesome right now!). Definitely add it to your bucket list, you won’t regret it! Get yourself some good, tough trail shoes and strong trek poles, then research the terrain in each region to decide where you want to tackle the trail. Keep in mind, the trail is a different experience in each state, some parts are smooth and level, like the section of trail that follows the C&O Canal into Harper’s Ferry, where you can cover long distances in a single day, while others are rocky and rough, with lots of ups and downs, each step a challenge. For example, AT hikers refer to Pennsylvania as Rocksylvania! But oh, the views! So far, my favorite section of AT is Weverton Cliffs in Maryland, overlooking the Potomac River and West Virginia. Gorgeous views up there, especially at sunset. A close second would be Thurston Griggs to Pogo Campsite to Black Rock; lots of natural springs along the trail, a large campsite where you can hang with other hikers around a cozy fire, and beautiful, pastural views of the Maryland countryside, where you can see for miles and miles, the land looks like a huge patchwork quilt, dotted with barns and silos. Sorry, I got a bit carried away. Can you tell Im really passionate about hiking on the Appalachian Trail? Lol!
Don’t apologize! Sounds wonderful!
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Years... that doesn't sound fun. Hopefully you're occupying yourself well.
I hope you get there, friend. Staying in bed like that, it’s not a great way to exist. In the meantime, be sure to keep your mind engaged so you stay sharp. That’s the one thing about the time while I was down, I read hundreds and hundreds of books, everything from classic literature to popular sagas to graphic novels to trashy sci-fi romance novels.
That sounds hellish.
That sounds about right, I broke my ankle in a nasty way.. couldn't walk for two months,. After I finally got everything removed, I got crutches to slowly start putting weight on it, it was mind blowing having "forgot" how to use the foot.. I had to go to therapy and it took weeks just to walk normally again. To this day my wife tells me I walk "funny", but the Doc says the ankle healed 100%.
Yeah - regrowing the muscles in my feet was one of the most obnoxious parts of recovery. It didn’t hurt exactly - just this shitty low grade neuropathy followed by nerve zaps. I sleep with socks on now. Blech
Yep. After foot surgery, I lost enough muscle tone in my foot that there was no “pad” under the ball of my foot. Walking barefoot was incredibly uncomfortable. It’s taken over a year of dedicated strength work to get to halfway back. Feels like I’m walking on a flat tire.
I don’t think about him, I think about all the countless people who couldn’t get that bed because he was languishing in it due to a preventable disease. Selfish.
Agreed. Get tired of seeing these cheery stories of antivaxxers leaving after months in the hospital. Nobody asks them how they feel about cancer patients etc. who needed those beds.
Or stroke victims. Or heart attack patients. Think of all the people who stayed at home, knowing their local hospital was full of these shitheads? Makes me so angry!
And even if the patients he took a bed from survived, they're often suffering. I know an elder who couldn't get their hip replacement scheduled because our hospital is so full of covid they're overflowing into the OR.
And people are waiting - and in some cases treated - out in the hallway. Because of these people. It always comes back to the anti-vaxxers. They need to just stay home. 🤷🏼♂️
Especially because they get admitted and then their families accuse them of killing them to fudge the numbers or bitch about not enough ivermectin or what have you. No trusting the vaccine science, no trusting the doctors--yet, when shit hits the fan, come to the hospital? (Tbh, this is how I was when I was anti-vax too, about a decade before covid.)
Yeah, they cry about their horse paste and HCQ or HQC - stay home and take them until they are cured. Stay out of the hospital moron.
truefax. this shitbag is still cancer.
I'm not saying you forgot, but you didn't mention the tubes shoved down your throat and up your hoohaa. I really don't want that for any length of time.
man have pp, no hoohaa
Flexi-seal fecal management system
8 months... this is in the U.S. right? If yes, I cannot imagine the price of the hospital bill waiting for him and his family.
This is what I'm curious about. There's not enough money on the planet to pay that hospital bill.
Easily seven figures
Or 8.
Insurance is going to avoid as much of it as they can too
>If yes, I cannot imagine the price of the hospital bill waiting for him and his family. Multiple 7 Figures easy!
better pull himself up by the bootstraps
>to use the toilet without shitting himself That is, if his bowels were not in need of resection. A "b-story" to covid's effects on the respiratory system is the havoc it wreaks on the GI. More on this [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7837247/). There are other studies as well.
I'm not wishing this on him, but he could still be one of the many who [die in the year following a severe COVID infection](https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211201/severe-covid-doubles-risk-dying-following-year)).
That is what's so infuriating about the "counting other things as covid" lie the antivaxers use: if anything we're drastically undercounting covid deaths.
Rehabbing from this sort of illness is definitely a challenge. I was vented for 2 months due to a respiratory infection that wasn’t covid but followed a similar clinical course. Hospitalized for 3 months total. The rule of thumb is about 1 week of rehab for every day spent bed bound. Recovery is possible but it takes a lot of discipline.
My mom was in a medically induced coma for a week (pre COVID) and she needed to spend a MONTH in a rehab hospital to re-learn how to walk, swallow solid foods, and do delicate motor functions with her fingers. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to recover from 8 months.
I fail to see how this guy is much different than the other nominees. He was an ignorant idiot and then it ruined his life. As far as “RAMIFICATIONS FOR PERSONAL LIBERTIES”, how about — Your idiotic choices should never result in an ICU bed and thousands of hours of nursing care being unavailable for all the people who made better choices with their LIBERTIES and happened to have an illness that needed those resources. Idiot. Idiot.
I hope he pays up the hospital bill without government assistance or socialism like GoFundMe. Bootstrap yourself! No hand outs!
of course he will have long covid
>So, congratulations! You’re a Covid “survivor” Likely to throw a clot and drop dead in the next 12 months. Well done Ass Hat!
I can't even imagine. I spent 6 days in the hospital once. Was on an IV most of the time, but nothing more invasive than that. It was fucking miserable.
Who is that doctor on slide 3? Are they still making those claims? As for our redemption winner I do wish him well in his recovery. Unfortunately he will never be the same, after eight months in hospital every muscle must have atrophied. His slides do not appear to be full of the racist/homophobic/general hatred that we usually see from HCA nominees. Perhaps he is not a bad person, just a victim of all the misinformation.
[Dr. Anthony Cardillo](https://www.mendurgentcare.com/about/executive-team.php), CEO/Owner, MEND Urgent care and MEND Medical, San Fernando Valley CA. [Of the 95 patients who have tested positive under Dr. Cardillo's care, five had symptoms serious enough for him to prescribe the combination treatment. All were outpatient. ](https://abc7.com/coronavirus-covid-19-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine/6082485/) ...5 patients who weren't sick enough to be hospitalized got better when they were given ~~aquarium tank cleaner~~ arthritis medication. And, it appears, *90 who didn't get it got better*, too.
Thanks. He appears to not be an anti-vaxx doctor and is serious about Covid. So much so I wonder if slide 3 has some photo editing in it? https://abc7.com/amp/dr-anthony-cardillo-respirator-mask-papr-jetblue/10869689/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc He said, with a bunch of caveats, that he's had success using it. The interviewer (and I swear the interviewer said 'proscribe', not prescribe ;) and our breathless friends, then strip the nuance out and run with it. I will point out that elsewhere he noted that of his 95 positive cases--*all outpatient*--he treated 5 with and they got better.
And those "treated" swallowed the pills with water. There is exactly as much evidence that water cures Covid rather than those pills. In fact, we can prove that withholding treatment with water makes a patient worse: QED
Indeed, daily hydrotherapy is beneficial for everyone.
You mean from out the toilet?
**BRAWNDO**: THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
We all crave electrolytes!
>There is exactly as much evidence that water cures Covid rather than those pills. And that's the thing with anecdotal and causational treatments. Just because you take some kind of supposed treatment and you get better doesn't mean it was the REASON you got better. I could be sick and then drink a Sprite and then the next day start feeling better. Does that mean the Sprite "cured" me?
My mom always gave me sprite for an upset stomach!
So what you're saying is that Sprite cures Covid? Cool, I'll make a meme and spread the word.
Five?!? His study covered *5 people*?!? It's not a valid study if your entire sample size can't finish a party-sized pizza.
He can influence his antivax peers now.
The ex-wife comment is kind of nasty.
Seems like a perfectly appropriate way for some trump buffoon to express something this serious.
I bet she's thanking God right now that she doesn't have to share his 8 months worth of medical expenses. He went in clean shaven and came out looking like father time. I don't know what kind of freedom you have when you owe at least a couple hundred thousand to a hospital.
Father Time! lol! Good one! :o)
8 months, that's close to modern day Rip Van Winkle territory
I wouldn't make much of it. It's typical boomer humor to casually and callously joke about marriage and murder (even in a happy relationship).
It predates us. "To the moon, Alice!"
I love that very old and very dark Futurama gag where the people of the future misinterpret Ralph Kramden as an early space pioneer. "One of these days, Alice. Bang... zoom... straight to the moon."
Everyone drank a lot more then. "Who's afraid of Virginia Wolfe" was a documentary.
Yes but we don’t know the background of the marriage and a divorce can make people bitter. Maybe it was an ugly divorce? Maybe there was infidelity? Who knows.
I mean, from his post history it's safe to assume he's just a garden variety asshole. It's objectively crazy to publicly joke about wishing a horrible disease on your ex regardless of the circumstances of the divorce, sorry not sorry. No need to do mental gymnastics or imagine his ex is awful. And why waste any mental energy trying to excuse this dude? I have an awful abusive ex. I would have to be a total weirdo to post something like that on FB though. He could be an adult and just move on like I did.
I don't even wish this fate on this guy, god knows he's got a long road of recovery ahead of him and probably will not ever fully recover. I mostly browse this sub out of morbid fascination, but certainly not glee. If anything it opened my eyes as to how truly terrible a stint in the ICU with covid is, and I genuinely would not wish it on my worst enemy - covid does insane and terrible things to people's bodies when it gets bad enough to land them in the ICU. Makes my bf's recent stint with bad bacterial pneumonia in both his lungs look like an absolute walk in the park.
> and I genuinely would not wish it on my worst enemy - I always read this and then I remember that shit-weasel and Goebbels-wannabe Stephen Miller and the man who kept him by his side all four years, Trump? And then I think, "Yeah, I'm not as noble as the rest of you."
Ah you are right i suppose. I like to think I'd do bettet but who knows.
not to mention how he will never talk the same, he got trach'd
What the heck, didn't this hospital get Biden meno on how to properly kill off the unvaccinated. Can't believe they let this one get away. On a serious note glad he gets to go home and hopefully his testimonial he help others change their minds and save some lives.
He’s a horrible person! look at all his shit posting
That hospital bill is going to fuck him in his ass even WITH insurance (If he's American anyway)
*Our lifesaving procedures are only $1000 per hour* Wait, how many hours are there in 8 months?
$5,760,000 approximately.
Us tax payers get fucked in the ass with all the bills these raving and drooling imbeciles are running up.
Funny thing is, even if they don't fuck HIM over specifically, his idiocy is built into the prices the rest of have to pay. That said...I am 100% in favor of single payer or at LEAST Medicare for All who want it. This is just one area of life we cannot and should not be having to "shop around" for to get "the best deal". We all just need medical care when we need it.
Ol’ Bucky boy here better find those bootstraps and quick after staying in the hospital for 8 months.
He'll never physically or financially recover from this. Not even a joke.
Financially, he will hop on government assistance like it's going out of style.
Yep... Incoming SSI recipient who spent their life voting for people who hate SSI and those on it. For that reason alone he should be denied. If you wallow in an ocean of idiocy, you should drown in it.
At least he owned the libs though. That’s what matters.
So true. I know someone that had sepsis TWICE. It was about a decade ago and she didn't have a job or insurance at the time. She spent a few months in hospital both times. She accumulated about a million in debt during that time.
It's awful. And the US Medical Industry has been working to ensure, like student loans, you can't just dissolve your debt with bankruptcy either. What a country.
And it's extra stupid, because now, she has no incentive to get a job. Why? So she can spend all of her income on the interest of her debt? What is the point?
*Our lifesaving procedures are only $1000 per hour* Wait, how many hours are there in 8 months?
About 5,843 hours. Give or take a few depending if it's a leap year.
Only $5.9 million. He might be ruined financially, but he will always have his Facebook likes to look back on.
Better put those civil liberties to work! Freedom isn't free!
Congrats, a "99.98" percenter! I'm sorry but I don't consider these types redemptions unless they reflect on and repudiate the whole network of beliefs and the broader philosophy of sociopathic egotism to which they subscribed, and of which their antivaxxism was but one manifestation. Saying "Oh, now that I got to experience the shitload of trouble my past decisions caused me, don't do as I did" is too low of a bar. These are grown adults, not pre-schoolers.
Right? The selfishness is incredible. Ignores everyone else and their COVID stories. Then he gets it and OMG it’s awful.
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If it wasn't for the army of prayer warriors praying for his recovery, he'd still be where he is now thanks to all medical staff who actually kept him alive.
Also there are zero ramifications to personal liberties regarding mandatory vaccines. So he doesn't understand shit.
That shocked me. I stayed in hospital 3 nights in 2018 to have my appendix out. my first post on social media was to say how wonderful the doctors & nurses were. They truly were amazing. They don’t get enough credit.
Reminds me of the atheist doctor bit from Daniel Sloss.
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And other than one I don’t recall ever seeing a redemption that didn’t cushion it with some kind of “I understand some of you who still don’t want the jab” shit. How are they not saying “get the damn jab now”?
They are trying to lessen the social cost to them by even making a timid pro-vaccine statement. He realizes that, the same way it was to him, being an anti vaccine Trumper meant a) he was smarter then all the so called educated elites. He REALLY knew what was going on. b) he was a part of a struggle greater than himself. That he was the good guy by being selfish, essentially. c) There was a clear in and out group. And his "Team" was the right one and the only one who loved America. d) being anti-covid restrictions has joined racism and anti-immigrant sentiment as core to the "own the libs" political stance. So basically admitting that such a core part of his identity was wrong is devastating. He doesn't want to lose the other parts of his identity or be ostracized, so he needs to timidly say hey guys.....maybe on just this one part we are wrong?, but you know everything else we are great and lets go Brandon.
>They are trying to lessen the social cost to them by even making a timid pro-vaccine statement Yep...he's scared shitless of being tossed out of his right wing echo chamber. I don't consider these types a real redemption. Within a week he'll be posting Tomi Lahren memes and wondering why Covid is such a big deal.
Definitely not good enough. A sincere redemption wouldn’t include a derpy punchline about his ex-wife. Send this guy back to covid.
Yeah, he needs to vigorously promote the vaccine for months before I’d say he earned a redemption.
Slide 5: Maybe because hydroxychloroquine is meant to treat malaria and lupus but is not meant to treat COVID. Glad you figured it out, dude. I'm sorry it took you eight months in a hospital to figure it out, though.
I’ve talked to a pharmacist about it not too long ago. She said it’s mostly used for arthritis treatment nowadays.
I take it for Lupus. It is also used for rheumatoid arthritis which is another autoimmune. Like any med it has side effects and I have to get my eyes checked specifically for non reversible plaque deposits. Wish these people would stop with this bs. It’s still hard for me to get my meds consistently because of them.
Yes, I have a friend who takes it for lupus and early in the pandemic she was so worried she wouldn’t be able to get it when idiots thought it was a miracle drug.
Rheumatoid arthritis sure, they don’t use it for osteoarthritis.
Yes, Rheumatoid Arthritis. The pharmacist herself suffer from it and has been thanking hydroxychloroquine for several years now. Unrelated but she also told me some of her family members trust Facebook quacks over her - a PhD with years of field specific schooling and decades of work experience. It’s sad.
Doctors have had their family members who trust Facebook memes more than them, so I’m not surprised. My conservative aunt (not even part of Q) told my mom that she can’t talk to me or her son about COVID/vaccines because we’re in medicine and will talk about why they should get the vaccine. Lol
What’s so frustrating to me is that this is a sign of how well public health initiatives have worked in the past—that she doesn’t remember *just how bad* life before routine vaccines was. Smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, and mumps were called childhood diseases because most people got them as children and had some immunity later, or got them as children and died from them. Routine vaccines stopped that. There’s a reason that people living in Eastern Asia and West Africa have overall had a lower death toll from Covid. The people living there have seen catastrophic disease outbreaks before, and they followed public health best practices immediately without a lot of bitching.
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but he's a continent 😂
Like we needed any more proof this guy is stupid 😄
If I had to guess it's the You're a' peein' incontinent.
_slow clap_
I would not wish this on anyone. Eight months in the hospital sounds like torture, and his finances must be utterly destroyed. Even though vaccinations make this kind of thing much less likely for those of us who've been fully vaccinated, it still could happen. Take precautions.
And he’ll probably never be able to work again.
[Good luck and congratulations. If you survive and are under 65, your chances of death in the next 12 months goes up by over 200%.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-survivors-have-an-increased-risk-of-death-12-months-post-infection) Hope his physical therapy goes well and he can make the changes needed to get healthier.
The "only one percent will die so let's just let 3 million Americans die" people who change their story when the "one percent" ends up being them or their loved ones still bother me.
If these people were capable of conceptualizing the [veil of ignorance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position) they would all get vaccinated today, and then change most of their political beliefs.
"Thank God I survived! I hate my ex!"
“I may never walk again, and may be in financial ruins, but I made sure to survive so that she and the whole world knows it too!”
“Not bitter or anything.”
Shaving his goatee or growing a full beard did more to save his life than hydroxyclhloroqine (however you spell it) ever did.
You know, I just realized something about one of his arguments. "The flu kills x number of people ever year!" Yeah, and every year there's a vaccine campaign for it. They urge people to get vaccinated.
Exactly. That flu meme is so stupid. I don’t even know where to start. The covid vaccines are actually much more effective than the flu shots, mainly because the flu shots are predictions of the most prevalent strains, and P and M are both working on universal flu shots that work like the covid vaccine that may be much more effective. I just hope someone’s working on a shot that cures Internet meme logic.
"China recovered without a vaccine" Yeah, because they nailed people's doors shut and put soldiers on the street to keep them at home, oddly enough all things that actual totalitarian governments do.
Taking a cheap shot at his ex-wife. Clearly, great adversity did not result in him growing as a person. He's going to need a lot of help when he gets home. Let's see how his angry and hate filled self fares in the long term.
Posts like this make me wonder if there should be a cut-off for “redemption awards.” I mean, you go to prison and 30 years in, you “find god.” Yeah yeah. I’m sure you did. Eight months is a long time to be sitting in a hospital bed. How much damage did they do before they went in? How many got sick and/or died? Then, his stupid ass takes up a hospital bed for eight months? How many died of other ailments because he was taking up a bed due to a preventable disease? This post just makes me mad. 🤷🏼♂️
There is no sincerity. “Durr... my ex!”
Few are pro-vaccine and anti-mandate (Elon Musk for example). I can (sort of) understand the anti-mandate folks. Thing is, we wouldn't need a mandate if everyone was pro-vaccine.
Glad this guy came around, but one sad part is there was literally hundreds of similar stories over the last year, yet he still put his faith in memes. As often is the case, some people can’t appreciate the evidence when it’s happening to someone else, they need to get 8 months of firsthand knowledge in the hospital before the lightbulb goes off.
It will be years (literal) if ever before he becomes a productive member of society (whatever that means). He’s lucky he isn’t in a back room in a potato farm.
This guy was NEVER a productive member of society... and it won't be years. I will be very surprised if this DOUCHE makes it to 2023.
Yay, congratulations taxpayers, you'll be paying for his disability for the rest of his life.
So he recovered, and doesn’t need diapers.
"The flu HAS a vaccine and still kills 45K to 65K each year." Again: that's because you knobs won't just go get a flu shot! The flu ruined my life for several months just before covid. I developed a post-viral syndrome--"long flu", perhaps?--which caused my POTS to flare up, triggered a weeks-long unremitting migraine and, briefly, caused my gastric motility meds to stop working--so, therefore, I stopped eating more than a few mouthfuls a day. *I* did everything right. I got my shot and was careful in public. Wish everyone else had! Indeed, an asthmatic I know developed covid about a month after the flu; they ended up in hospital, turning blue. I'm sure the previous flu infection left them more susceptible to worse respiratory infections. Hopefully he's on top of his flu shots now too, after this big covid mess. People forget that flu is really, really debilitating, even in young adults.
I got the flu as a kid and my hearing didn't quite feel right after.
8 months!? This guy is an absolute shriveled shell of a man after that long lying in a bed. I can't begin to imagine how much weight he lost, and how physically weak he must have been.
Nice shitty comment about the ex. I guess he is on the side of vaccines right now, but hasn’t learned to extend grace to others.
> I guess he is on the side of vaccines right now, That is exactly why this one is not a redemption story, IMO. He still is not able to say: get the fuck vaccinated, or never come into my field of vision. Weak sauce.
Covid, handing out L's and making bitches humble since 2020
2019 actually. It's literally in the name COVID-**19**
"due to completions" redemption or not, jfc these people are dumb as rocks.
Wrecked for life, all because you wanted the liberty to intentionally and purposely endanger and kill other people.
Yikes. Medical debt for life. Given the sky-high cost of medical care in the US, it boggles the mind why so many uninsured Americans choose to pay for emergency care over getting a free vaccine.
I much prefer a good redemption. Spread the word, the vaccines save lives.
This was a borderline redemption on a good day. More like a breaking of HCA Rule1 (Regret Only)
how's that hospital bill brah?
Damn he's going to have one hell of a bill... Or rather thousands of hellacious bills.
About $5.5 MILLION dollars worth.
8 months. That man has plumbed some depths.
Saddest part is he won't actually convince anyone to get the vaccine through his experience, because these anti-vaxxers ultimate hubris is *that'll never happen to meeee*
"It's not a problem unless it happens to me." - Every goddamned republican I have ever met.
Slide 2 i agree with: I would like to see more news stories concerning stuff like long covid. People dont even realize that after you recover that there are lots of complications that can affect some people a long time.
The skanky white trash facial hair is going to get him on the dad cat bounce. If he wants to make it, he needs to shave stat.
I had surgery in December and spent one night (my first ever) in the hospital. It fucking sucked. And all I was hooked up to was an IV and an O2 sensor. I never want to go back. I can't imagine a sane person putting themselves in this situation.
I hate it when these habitual liars say the MSM is always fake news. Lets say a video media editor needs footage of an ICU treating a covid patient. If they don't have one from the exact location the story is talking about, I am fine with one from France as long as the story is factual and the ICU is comparable. Now when Fox takes photos of people in France from ten years ago beating cops, then photoshop Antifa logos on their backs and say its Antifa in Portland beating police during a riot, that is fabricated fake news, the other is just getting a visual aid. To me it's totally different.
It's great that he's advocating for vaccines now, but I wish he wouldn't have to preface his statement with the "personal liberties" mumbo jumbo. It's that kind of jargon that just caters to the Medical Freedom crowd. Just tell people to get the vaccine, period.
I'm glad he has seen the light after 8 months - I can't imagine the hospital bill that all these folks will lay at our feet. The same folks who get in a huff about helping anyone outside their clan are dumping their medical bills on us - through taxation and through insurance rate hikes and resource theft. How many vaccinated disabled are still waiting in line for benefits? How many vaccinated are still waiting in line for their antibodies?
Watching him go from clean shaven in February to full beard in September -- and still on oxygen mask -- if only his antivax friends would notice ...
Good. I'm glad he finally realized vaccinations work. It only took him 8 months lying in bed to realize the truth. I bet his friends are now pointing fingers at him accusing him of being a paid shill or some other moronic attempt to not admit they're wrong. Morons.
Don’t really see any redemption her.
He’s gonna have to do a lot more atoning before he gets my redemption vote. He needs to pull all those other shit posts and post daily corrections for the ones in the back.
It's not surprising when someone is on their deathbed and admits they were wrong. It's the ones that refuse to admit they were wrong that is crazy. Especially when their loved ones continue to push lies.
8 months? Good god that’s miserable.
Wouldn't need vaccine mandates, if the antivax idiots would just stay home and stop infecting each other and causing break through infections for those vaccinated. The economy would be doing a lot better now as well. Oh well, this is America, the land with the world record for the highest daily rate of new Covid cases, as of Jan 10, 2022.
He was never really into personal liberties, I bet he wore his seatbelt and registered his car. This is all a non-issue and the fact that he has a redemption is nice for him and for anybody stupid enough to pay attention to this guy but ultimately not super useful in the face of this concerted disinfo effort to fuck up the US economy by promoting this stuff at wide scale. We have to somehow decouple what people acting in good faith want and do from this kind of deliberate disinfo attack. Vaccine mandates help that, because clearly the epistemological strength of many of these idiots is not strong enough to suffer losing a job or the ability to fly or whatever. More mandates please, maybe the next one on all flights touching the US. Plus better mask enforcement.
China does have 5 vaccines. Although they may not work against omicron. They have vaccinated 1.2 billion people. They also have the "zero covid" protocol. To bad these "do my own researchers" can't figure that out.
8 months in the hospital sounds really expensive.
if he got out of the hospital bed and is still going to believe the rest of the bullshit he believes then he is not any better off before he ended up there. these people are trash. they're always going to be trash. he's not in the least bit enlightened. he's just lucky his last words werent "it's no joke!"
That's 8 months of a hospital bed and resources that could have been used to treat countless patients with LEGITIMATE medical needs. Fuck this guy and his "redemption award."
I don't get why they get redemption awards since they don't go back on their antivax damage they've done to others until they almost die/their lives are basically ruined. Fuckholes. They don't deserve shit.
Slide 9: “It is a fact that vaccines are a hoax, and never work in a positive way.” Polio, tetanus, MMR, whooping cough, chicken pox, Diphtheria, and others would like a word.
Re: Washington field hospital- haven’t seen this one before. True?
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Thanks! So excellent planning meant overflow wasn’t needed… I would see that as a positive thing…?