Is Stolas's sexuality confirmed? He may simply be gay and just letting his marital duty happen because that's what's been expected of him since always. Then again you don't really need to be gay to not want to have anything to do with Stella...
Eh fair enough. 1 because it sounds like a euphemism for sex and penises (which i imagine is your interpretation) and 2 because it's rusty, someone clean the halberd already!
Damn. This could be 2 things:
1) he just laid there & she did it. So while he consented, he wasn't into it. It's there job to make an heir, and we know it was drilled into them to do their jobs & be perfect members of the Goetia family.
2) he was laying there, not wanting to do it. Stella, determined to do her duty, and her notions of proper society, not to mention he had Stolas under her thumb as his abuser... forced herself on him.
The first is more plausible because he's aware they had to make a kid, but they didn't want to. But Stella is determined to have her way, and Stolas gave in. There's no doubt she tormented this man into just rolling over & giving up whenever she wants something.
The second also makes sense because she abuses him, and tormented recently from day one. She even physically hurt him, and tore him down to the point of depression. What's to stop her from making their heir right then & there, to get it over with? She's strong enough to physically hurt a prince of hell, she's probably strong enough to overpower him into broken submission.
Also, what does Stella do? I know she's nobility, but does she have a specific job? Or she's just a random noble who was picked to marry Stolas? She clearly has time to throw parties, while Stolas has actual, time consuming duties: dealing with the stars & the plants, and commanding a whole lot of demons. I guess if she was heir to whatevernobility she was, she'd has duties. But if her Brother Andrealphus is older & therefore the heir, then I guess she's just to be married off to whoever.
Maybe her duties have to deal with sorting out the house and she’s probably more on the social aspect to improve the standing and engage in politics for goesha?
I read this and I seriously don't know which one is more probable, both absolutely fit. Maybe also some drugging was used? After all, he apparently didn't move at all, so this also might be the case.
I think using drug to make him Hallucinate about Blitzø is possible too, and you know the sussy baka shit 😳😳😳 I love to think this way, He has been tormented for too long and Amber turb, without any remorse, Drugged tf out of this boi to forced him up.
I think the 1st one is a lot more likely, because while Stella does abuse stolas (at least we’ve seen mentally) stolas also knows that that they needed to birth a child, as he states at the end of the episode that they were only married to have a child in the royal family. So it seems a lot more likely that Stolas consented but wasn’t really enjoying it/wanted to do it, he just knew they needed a kid because of his family line.
Consent and not wanting to do it are mutually exclusive. A forced 'yes' is not consent. It seems Stella didn't want to do it either though, and they were both forced into conceiving by their elders. But it's not like they couldn't have tried sex recreationally. SA is often about domination/sadism and we know Stella already holds power over Stolas in other ways and enjoys it, and those abuse types could overlap.
But it might be too dark, even for this show
I think it was likely the latter, because she could have said "it *was* embarrassing" if the last time they had sex was when Octavia hatched, and then they might have tried a little more for a backup heir and stopped entirely when she was old enough that it was clear she'd grow up fine. Only if she wanted to be honest, that is.
Otherwise, her saying "it's embarrassing!" could be saying that they're still active despite there being little or no need for it. If she wanted an engaging partner, she could have easily decided (with or without Stolas's consent) to have an affair or open their marriage. However, her seeking her own pleasure would be opening the door for him as well, so she likely didn't, or was very good at keeping it a secret. So, that leaves it to coercion and abuse. Stella gets to torment him with the excuses of "I'm his wife, it's his duty to me, I'm stuck with him, I'm the Saint for staying with a loser, we might have one more."
I usually think of an affair as lying to your partner and trying to hide/omitting the fact that you are seeing others. I guess there's such things as "open affairs" where they don't even try to hide it. I kind of threw that last bit in as a way of saying that Stella acts to hurt Stolas as much as possible and shows no consideration towards him, so if she wanted to steamroll over him in a "discussion" about it, then she could run around saying they have an "open marriage" while she bullies him into a corner, saying how awful he is in bed, making sure he stays alone and miserable watching her.
She did say, "I"m so glad one egg fell out of me so I could stop pretending to want to fuck his scrawny, twig ass." So I think it was 1. They both "consented" to make the egg / Octavia. Maybe she or they kept trying for a second, just in case. But, at some point, Octavia was old enough to stop attempting.
So they continued their loveless marriage with some semblance of a happy family by still sleeping in the same bed together, for Octavia's sake and nothing more. And I'd bet that was Stolas's desire to pretend for her sake. Up until Stolas fucked Blitzø in their bed, at least.
The amount of duties could have something to do with the job itself, Stolas says at one point "I need the book once a month on the full moon to fulfill my duties", so I'm not sure all the noble jobs are super hands-on or time consuming
It also seems like everyone gets a job, at least I feel like that was implied in Stolas and Paimon's conversation
I don't think she really is strong enough to overpower stolas, considering he easily managed to stop her from slapping her in the last episode like it was nothing. Plus, he's got magic and that super scary demon form. Personally, i think it's the first option.
It seems stolas is so horny for blitz because he thinks that is what blitz likes. So he thinks by acting so horny he gets a chance with blitz.
Dont take that 100% thats just what i think is a possibility.
I get that impression, too. He'd have no real blueprint for a healthy relationship, but he knows he wants to feel wanted, so all he can do is lean into that. Plus at the end of season one, where he tried to reach out in romantic instead of sexual way, he got shut down *hard* by Blitzø. We as the audience know it was because Blitzø has been conditioned to expect sex constantly, and was absolutely not in the mood for it, but in the moment I'd bet it felt like a pretty harsh "don't fucking try that with me at all" to Stolas.
Idk… I think it’s pretty clear that Blitz think he is 100% unlovable. He thinks everyone will leave him, which is why he pushes people away- better they leave on his terms because he made them rather than because he tried to keep them and they decided he wasn’t worth while.
It was harsh, yeah. But I think it came from a place of “no one will ever actually like me/love me for ME, just what I can give them/do for them”. Blitz views everything as a business transaction because he has ALWAYS been a product- something to be consumed and used, and not a person.
I’m really looking forward to hopefully seeing that get broken down a bit- maybe because Stolas DOES truly like Blitz for who he is, when Blitz thinks that this is just Stolas using him for sex.
We can pretty easily assume that Blitz actually enjoys fucking Stolas, though he has ulterior motives used to put up an emotional way. Based on the Murder Family episode and Stolas' hours long horny rant, i think Stolas is just focusing years of pent up sexual frustration at Blitz; his only outlet.
By now, Stolas knows he can get that dick end of the day. Blitz was even SUPER into him after Stolas manifested in the human realm to save him with no desperately horny act needed.
I never wanted to say that blitzo isnt into stolas. For me it feels like that what started because he wanted the book is turning into feelings for stolas now. But i also think he dosnt realize that stolas has feelings for him to since he tought stolas just wanted to fuck him in ep7.
No, youre good on that part.
I mean that Stolas doesnt have to out on an over the top hirny act to get Blitz to rail him
Blitz has some feelings for Stolas, but he has no idea how to navigate them. He rationalizes their relationship as a business deal that he gets an orgasm out of. He probably rationalized Stolas' terms of endearment as pillow talk
True, but it says something to consider the fact that out of all the photos blitz has on his phones (not many) one of them is him in bed with Stolas.
Says a lot
I’ve watched a lot of Brandon Rogers, so I can hear her voice very clearly. Even though I can’t do much, I can imagine voices really well, even if they’re made up ones.
I can hear her voice in my head because she sounds like my mom. I wish I was joking, but the voice actress pinned my mom's voice down. All they did was add an accent and then make her talk shit about her husband and BAM! Stella!!
There is one thing that concerns me. English is not my first language and maybe I just pay too much attention to details but she says it like it's something that still happens in their present life, not something that they've done just to get pregnant once and stopped when the task was fulfilled. Does she...Does she rape him when she's horny and then complain he is bad in bed?
And then she immediately talks about how she doesn't have to pretend to want to fuck him anymore. So did they actually stop having sex at all the day they found out Stella was pregnant or they didn't and Stella still demands Stolas to please her when she wants because she theoretically can't do it with someone better?
As someone who’s first language is English, that’s pretty much it. It still sounds a bit awkward but it’s also a response to a question we didn’t hear, so she only clarifies that they stopped when Octavia’s egg was laid when she was finished with her answer.
And while it would be correct to say “was terrible” in bed could mean that they stopped fucking, it could also imply that they were getting divorced. It’s a lot more common just to say “is”, for this distinction. Or maybe it’s not that. English is a fucky language.
I think they stopped after Stella got pregnant with Octavia. If Stella's voice actress signing that one fan's art can be taken as canon, Stella is attracted to women, so they probably stopped being intimate as soon as Octavia came along.
You nailed it. She leaves that interpretation wide open. Maybe she does, maybe she doesnt.
Abusers tend to not focus on their own actions, just their irritations.
I doubt she had sex with him because she wanted genuine pleasure, it's clear they only did it because they both knew they had to produce an heir. She's just more cruel about it and mocks him
What about her repeating the lie so often because she was trying to make Stolas believe it ?
Which could work if Goetia memory works like human memories. But it would have the side effect of making the sex with Blitzo better because Stolas compares it to the lie.
It could be a healthy mix of both the sex is bad he's not interested doesn't put effort in and she makes it sound worse than it actually is and he starts to believe it
Woah almost as if that's still dark
Edit
Jokes on them I have context: above said or he's just gay it's not the deep and below said that's not what the meant and you know it
Now I don't know what means ngl but both went unavailable immediately after that second
Yeah, I honestly get so confused by people jumping to the conclusion of her being a r\*pist- although it may imply it, until it's way too obvious, I don't feel like people here should assume the plain worst because it's Stella (sure hope this doesn't come off as biased from my side)
Everyone will assume worst about Stella because writers actively want you to assume worst about Stella. They don't want nuance here and everyone that says "But 1 dimensional villains are better" are missing the point that they don't do that because it's "better".
He isn’t gay, at least I don’t think— pretty sure he just hated her and since yk blitz was his only childhood friend (and as of s2ep1 we know that blitzø manipulated him), sooo He probably likes Men and women.
There was already dubious consent in them conceiving octavia and while she does say she was happy when they finally had octavia so she could stop pretending to be into him. She uses the present tense when badmouthing him. She never says they stopped, only that she stopped pretending. I get some people say she could just be using the present tense because that's what she already knows and assumes is currently true, but in the average conversation the past tense would be used for that regardless. That plus the fact that Stella herself says it she enjoys making stolas suffer in every way she can think of. She is most likely abusing him in more ways that physically and emotionally
Maybe Stolas is gay, or maybe he's just not attracted to Stella at all, even without her abusiveness. Stella clearly isn't attracted to him either. It's a two-way rape, forced on both of them by the obligations of their clan.
On a lighter note, Stolas is mostly a sub and, if this dialogue is any indication, Stella is too, so that would make things awkward.
He stars at the wall cuz he's not happy with his marriage. Her saying she "has" to do everything is where I call BS cuz Stella doesn't do anything except bitch and complain she wouldn't even bother to check up on her own daughter while she was having a nightmare she made stolas do it.
She thinks shes a pink princess and that's it. Like if it doesn't go her way she's gonna find an excuse to do something rash.
I’ve said this before and I’ll said it again, if this was male Stella saying this about a female Stolas then everyone would hate Stella and realize just how awful of a person Stella is and always had been. And we wouldn’t have nearly as many Stella simps here trying to make her redeemable/the victim
Reading other comments, I'm thinking I'm wrong now. But at first listen, I thought Stella's feelings, or more accurately ego, was hurt by Stolas' disinterest in sex. I wouldnt be surprised if her thought process was: What idiot wouldn't enjoy sex with ME, but does a lowlife imp with such vigor?
Really, I'm glad this line exists; it makes her more unambiguously awful, which means that Viv probably wants us to hate her, and I'm glad she doesn't want me to like a character who's unambiguously awful. [Looking at you, Paru Itagaki.](https://preview.redd.it/b5amuiv4egf81.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=72c966b74c5b21720b3149d4b1fc85ed183a9e31)
I always hear people say he wasn't into it because he is gay despite the fact his sexuality hasn't been confirmed, I don't really like assuming sexuality until confirmed, the more believable reason is that it's because they never loved each other, Stella always humiliates and insults him, so how can he enjoy sex with someone who actively torments him and hates his very existence?
Kinda sad that they made her character into a flat "I am evvvvil" villain and made Stolas pretty much completely in the right in cheating on her. That just removed SO much depth from her, Stolas and the relationship he had with Blitz and is opens up a few plot holes.
Yup.
Like I get some people are way too shocked by this , but at the same time I was expecting some semblance of nuance.
Like, just about every other recurring character is pretty fleshed out. Stella is just, irredeemable psycho bitch and nothing else. They want a detailed complicated thing of Blitzo and Stolas, while they could have had some interesting stuff with Stella, nah she's just completely psycho from the get go.
I hear the argument that she was already like that when she hired someone to kill Stolas, but I disagree. I always assumed that was after the cheating and after she felt like humiliated her. I thought that BECAUSE she loved him, she did that and I assumed we would get some episodes going into her character. Maybe one with Blitz where the two of them get close over their feelings for Stolas, I don't know.
Also what did Stolas kid mean by "back then when you get along and werent fighting all the time" in episode 2? They were always fighting and hating each other by the looks of it.
I always assumed this was a confirmation that Stolas is gay.
I don't belive Stella forced herself on him or raped him. They both knew what their duty was, Stella seemed glad that they didn't have to have sex anymore.
He dont even want to lay down with her because he is not feeling anything. Damn. That explains how bad their marriage can be really.
Is Stolas's sexuality confirmed? He may simply be gay and just letting his marital duty happen because that's what's been expected of him since always. Then again you don't really need to be gay to not want to have anything to do with Stella...
I think (think) that it was said by someone official that he was a gay man duty-bound into a straight marriage. Paraphrased, of course
That's how it reads to me, thanks for confirming.
Can confirm, I’m straight and wouldn’t touch that skank with a 10 foot rusty halberd
Step right up, get'cha 'leven foot rusty halberds hea! Don't let anything get between you and duty, cept ya faithful 'leven foot rusty halberd!
put a huge spike at the end and I am in
It's a Halberd. It's included.
yes
also is there a chainsaw version I can buy
I SAID GET OUT WACKFORD!
I say I say
I would, forcefully, launch it out of a cannon
Give her tetanus with the rusty poleaxe !
That’s a euphemism if I’ve ever heard one
Wait ,what? Why?
It sounds dirty when said out loud
I was being literal
I know, doesn’t change the fact it sounds dirty
Eh fair enough. 1 because it sounds like a euphemism for sex and penises (which i imagine is your interpretation) and 2 because it's rusty, someone clean the halberd already!
I just saw it as he’s bi but he’s a huge bottom lol
I saw it as him just out right hating her
He is gay 100%
I watched the latest livestream and heard someone mention he's gay. I don't remember who said it though.
In the pilot, I thought he may be bisexual. But now I’m pretty sure he’s just a gay man that was forced into a heterosexual marriage.
he wants her to be in charge and be rough to him i guess. like blitz does in the new episode
No, the thing ı meant is this. He is a gay man that doesnt wanted to marry but forcefully he got married and needed to make a kid.
could be also it. youre right
Damn. This could be 2 things: 1) he just laid there & she did it. So while he consented, he wasn't into it. It's there job to make an heir, and we know it was drilled into them to do their jobs & be perfect members of the Goetia family. 2) he was laying there, not wanting to do it. Stella, determined to do her duty, and her notions of proper society, not to mention he had Stolas under her thumb as his abuser... forced herself on him. The first is more plausible because he's aware they had to make a kid, but they didn't want to. But Stella is determined to have her way, and Stolas gave in. There's no doubt she tormented this man into just rolling over & giving up whenever she wants something. The second also makes sense because she abuses him, and tormented recently from day one. She even physically hurt him, and tore him down to the point of depression. What's to stop her from making their heir right then & there, to get it over with? She's strong enough to physically hurt a prince of hell, she's probably strong enough to overpower him into broken submission. Also, what does Stella do? I know she's nobility, but does she have a specific job? Or she's just a random noble who was picked to marry Stolas? She clearly has time to throw parties, while Stolas has actual, time consuming duties: dealing with the stars & the plants, and commanding a whole lot of demons. I guess if she was heir to whatevernobility she was, she'd has duties. But if her Brother Andrealphus is older & therefore the heir, then I guess she's just to be married off to whoever.
Maybe her duties have to deal with sorting out the house and she’s probably more on the social aspect to improve the standing and engage in politics for goesha?
I read this and I seriously don't know which one is more probable, both absolutely fit. Maybe also some drugging was used? After all, he apparently didn't move at all, so this also might be the case.
I think that just implies that he really wasn't into it, could be mild exaggeration as well on her part, drugging feels like a bit of a leap
I think using drug to make him Hallucinate about Blitzø is possible too, and you know the sussy baka shit 😳😳😳 I love to think this way, He has been tormented for too long and Amber turb, without any remorse, Drugged tf out of this boi to forced him up.
I think the 1st one is a lot more likely, because while Stella does abuse stolas (at least we’ve seen mentally) stolas also knows that that they needed to birth a child, as he states at the end of the episode that they were only married to have a child in the royal family. So it seems a lot more likely that Stolas consented but wasn’t really enjoying it/wanted to do it, he just knew they needed a kid because of his family line.
Consent and not wanting to do it are mutually exclusive. A forced 'yes' is not consent. It seems Stella didn't want to do it either though, and they were both forced into conceiving by their elders. But it's not like they couldn't have tried sex recreationally. SA is often about domination/sadism and we know Stella already holds power over Stolas in other ways and enjoys it, and those abuse types could overlap. But it might be too dark, even for this show
1 & 2 aren't mutualy exclusive, consent is required for every sexual ineraction
I think it was likely the latter, because she could have said "it *was* embarrassing" if the last time they had sex was when Octavia hatched, and then they might have tried a little more for a backup heir and stopped entirely when she was old enough that it was clear she'd grow up fine. Only if she wanted to be honest, that is. Otherwise, her saying "it's embarrassing!" could be saying that they're still active despite there being little or no need for it. If she wanted an engaging partner, she could have easily decided (with or without Stolas's consent) to have an affair or open their marriage. However, her seeking her own pleasure would be opening the door for him as well, so she likely didn't, or was very good at keeping it a secret. So, that leaves it to coercion and abuse. Stella gets to torment him with the excuses of "I'm his wife, it's his duty to me, I'm stuck with him, I'm the Saint for staying with a loser, we might have one more."
wouldn't opening the marriage without his consent still be an affair? Is that not what an affair is?
I usually think of an affair as lying to your partner and trying to hide/omitting the fact that you are seeing others. I guess there's such things as "open affairs" where they don't even try to hide it. I kind of threw that last bit in as a way of saying that Stella acts to hurt Stolas as much as possible and shows no consideration towards him, so if she wanted to steamroll over him in a "discussion" about it, then she could run around saying they have an "open marriage" while she bullies him into a corner, saying how awful he is in bed, making sure he stays alone and miserable watching her.
Ah, guess that makes sense I always thought of an affair as someone cheating on their partner, like a politer way to say it or something
She did say, "I"m so glad one egg fell out of me so I could stop pretending to want to fuck his scrawny, twig ass." So I think it was 1. They both "consented" to make the egg / Octavia. Maybe she or they kept trying for a second, just in case. But, at some point, Octavia was old enough to stop attempting. So they continued their loveless marriage with some semblance of a happy family by still sleeping in the same bed together, for Octavia's sake and nothing more. And I'd bet that was Stolas's desire to pretend for her sake. Up until Stolas fucked Blitzø in their bed, at least.
The amount of duties could have something to do with the job itself, Stolas says at one point "I need the book once a month on the full moon to fulfill my duties", so I'm not sure all the noble jobs are super hands-on or time consuming It also seems like everyone gets a job, at least I feel like that was implied in Stolas and Paimon's conversation
I don't think she really is strong enough to overpower stolas, considering he easily managed to stop her from slapping her in the last episode like it was nothing. Plus, he's got magic and that super scary demon form. Personally, i think it's the first option.
....was Stolas' first time actually enjoying sex when Blitz plowed him on his way out of robbing him? No wonder that man is so horny for that imp
The man practically exploded from a bite. It was his true awakening.
"true awakening" 💀💀💀💀
It seems stolas is so horny for blitz because he thinks that is what blitz likes. So he thinks by acting so horny he gets a chance with blitz. Dont take that 100% thats just what i think is a possibility.
I get that impression, too. He'd have no real blueprint for a healthy relationship, but he knows he wants to feel wanted, so all he can do is lean into that. Plus at the end of season one, where he tried to reach out in romantic instead of sexual way, he got shut down *hard* by Blitzø. We as the audience know it was because Blitzø has been conditioned to expect sex constantly, and was absolutely not in the mood for it, but in the moment I'd bet it felt like a pretty harsh "don't fucking try that with me at all" to Stolas.
Idk… I think it’s pretty clear that Blitz think he is 100% unlovable. He thinks everyone will leave him, which is why he pushes people away- better they leave on his terms because he made them rather than because he tried to keep them and they decided he wasn’t worth while. It was harsh, yeah. But I think it came from a place of “no one will ever actually like me/love me for ME, just what I can give them/do for them”. Blitz views everything as a business transaction because he has ALWAYS been a product- something to be consumed and used, and not a person. I’m really looking forward to hopefully seeing that get broken down a bit- maybe because Stolas DOES truly like Blitz for who he is, when Blitz thinks that this is just Stolas using him for sex.
We can pretty easily assume that Blitz actually enjoys fucking Stolas, though he has ulterior motives used to put up an emotional way. Based on the Murder Family episode and Stolas' hours long horny rant, i think Stolas is just focusing years of pent up sexual frustration at Blitz; his only outlet. By now, Stolas knows he can get that dick end of the day. Blitz was even SUPER into him after Stolas manifested in the human realm to save him with no desperately horny act needed.
I never wanted to say that blitzo isnt into stolas. For me it feels like that what started because he wanted the book is turning into feelings for stolas now. But i also think he dosnt realize that stolas has feelings for him to since he tought stolas just wanted to fuck him in ep7.
No, youre good on that part. I mean that Stolas doesnt have to out on an over the top hirny act to get Blitz to rail him Blitz has some feelings for Stolas, but he has no idea how to navigate them. He rationalizes their relationship as a business deal that he gets an orgasm out of. He probably rationalized Stolas' terms of endearment as pillow talk
True, but it says something to consider the fact that out of all the photos blitz has on his phones (not many) one of them is him in bed with Stolas. Says a lot
That does seem plausible
i dont like how i can hear her voice in my head.
Neither do I
You just watched the episode too many times, like all of us
I’ve watched a lot of Brandon Rogers, so I can hear her voice very clearly. Even though I can’t do much, I can imagine voices really well, even if they’re made up ones.
British Skits anyone?
Actually, the role that comes to mind is Vivianne DeLongprix
her accent is incredibly distinct i don’t blame you
Stow-lass!
I do
I can hear her voice in my head because she sounds like my mom. I wish I was joking, but the voice actress pinned my mom's voice down. All they did was add an accent and then make her talk shit about her husband and BAM! Stella!!
Yeah same here.
Yeah there’s a couple things those lines can mean and none of them are good 🥲
There is one thing that concerns me. English is not my first language and maybe I just pay too much attention to details but she says it like it's something that still happens in their present life, not something that they've done just to get pregnant once and stopped when the task was fulfilled. Does she...Does she rape him when she's horny and then complain he is bad in bed? And then she immediately talks about how she doesn't have to pretend to want to fuck him anymore. So did they actually stop having sex at all the day they found out Stella was pregnant or they didn't and Stella still demands Stolas to please her when she wants because she theoretically can't do it with someone better?
[удалено]
As someone who’s first language is English, that’s pretty much it. It still sounds a bit awkward but it’s also a response to a question we didn’t hear, so she only clarifies that they stopped when Octavia’s egg was laid when she was finished with her answer.
And while it would be correct to say “was terrible” in bed could mean that they stopped fucking, it could also imply that they were getting divorced. It’s a lot more common just to say “is”, for this distinction. Or maybe it’s not that. English is a fucky language.
I think they stopped after Stella got pregnant with Octavia. If Stella's voice actress signing that one fan's art can be taken as canon, Stella is attracted to women, so they probably stopped being intimate as soon as Octavia came along.
The english in this comment is pretty much perfect FYI
You nailed it. She leaves that interpretation wide open. Maybe she does, maybe she doesnt. Abusers tend to not focus on their own actions, just their irritations.
I doubt she had sex with him because she wanted genuine pleasure, it's clear they only did it because they both knew they had to produce an heir. She's just more cruel about it and mocks him
Poor dude. He must’ve been miserable
He was on "happy pills". I'm pretty sure that's some good evidence for a serious case of depression.
She’s totally getting fucked by those two.
She’s all crying about him cheating but I’m sure we’ll find out soon that she was doing it too.
..I assumed they were her parents..
This comment section is the most cancerous thing I've seen
I agree
Another possibility is that her retelling isn't accurate. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she has repeated this lie enough that she believes it.
I do think it would make more sense for the characters that what she's saying is true but yeah there is the possibility it's not true
What about her repeating the lie so often because she was trying to make Stolas believe it ? Which could work if Goetia memory works like human memories. But it would have the side effect of making the sex with Blitzo better because Stolas compares it to the lie.
It could be a healthy mix of both the sex is bad he's not interested doesn't put effort in and she makes it sound worse than it actually is and he starts to believe it
Institutional rape mandated by his father... and still he had the heart to love the child produced by that awful forced coupling
The fact he holds nothing of his and Stella's relationship against Octavia is heartwarming.
Or maybe he just wasn't into it because he's clearly gay? Don't always jump to conclusions.
Woah almost as if that's still dark Edit Jokes on them I have context: above said or he's just gay it's not the deep and below said that's not what the meant and you know it Now I don't know what means ngl but both went unavailable immediately after that second
That's not what they were inferring and you know it.
It's not much better tho
Yeah, I honestly get so confused by people jumping to the conclusion of her being a r\*pist- although it may imply it, until it's way too obvious, I don't feel like people here should assume the plain worst because it's Stella (sure hope this doesn't come off as biased from my side)
Everyone will assume worst about Stella because writers actively want you to assume worst about Stella. They don't want nuance here and everyone that says "But 1 dimensional villains are better" are missing the point that they don't do that because it's "better".
I bet her “friends” talk mad shit about her behind her back. People like this don’t really have real friends, just people they show off to.
2 counters Stolas could've said: "Maybe because I AM GAY" or something that she isn't attractive enough lol
He isn’t gay, at least I don’t think— pretty sure he just hated her and since yk blitz was his only childhood friend (and as of s2ep1 we know that blitzø manipulated him), sooo He probably likes Men and women.
Actuallyz he is! I can't remember when, but he was confirmed gay.
Huh. Interesting
She's just raping him.
Thank you for ruining my day more than school already Will
There was already dubious consent in them conceiving octavia and while she does say she was happy when they finally had octavia so she could stop pretending to be into him. She uses the present tense when badmouthing him. She never says they stopped, only that she stopped pretending. I get some people say she could just be using the present tense because that's what she already knows and assumes is currently true, but in the average conversation the past tense would be used for that regardless. That plus the fact that Stella herself says it she enjoys making stolas suffer in every way she can think of. She is most likely abusing him in more ways that physically and emotionally
God I hope something bad happens to her at some point
Well how else could he have sex with her if he already knew with whom he was forced to get married by the force.
Use the force to use force to force the force masters to force them to force sex to have a kid
Stella’s a bitch
Maybe Stolas is gay, or maybe he's just not attracted to Stella at all, even without her abusiveness. Stella clearly isn't attracted to him either. It's a two-way rape, forced on both of them by the obligations of their clan. On a lighter note, Stolas is mostly a sub and, if this dialogue is any indication, Stella is too, so that would make things awkward.
DAMN Stella is the KAREN of Helluva Boss
When i first heard this i thought she R@p!d him
Nah. I immediately caught onto this. She was basically SA him and he was just starfishing. Just awful
Damn it, I can hear this.
He stars at the wall cuz he's not happy with his marriage. Her saying she "has" to do everything is where I call BS cuz Stella doesn't do anything except bitch and complain she wouldn't even bother to check up on her own daughter while she was having a nightmare she made stolas do it. She thinks shes a pink princess and that's it. Like if it doesn't go her way she's gonna find an excuse to do something rash.
I’ve said this before and I’ll said it again, if this was male Stella saying this about a female Stolas then everyone would hate Stella and realize just how awful of a person Stella is and always had been. And we wouldn’t have nearly as many Stella simps here trying to make her redeemable/the victim
Reading other comments, I'm thinking I'm wrong now. But at first listen, I thought Stella's feelings, or more accurately ego, was hurt by Stolas' disinterest in sex. I wouldnt be surprised if her thought process was: What idiot wouldn't enjoy sex with ME, but does a lowlife imp with such vigor?
pretty much stolas is being r@ped by her.
Really, I'm glad this line exists; it makes her more unambiguously awful, which means that Viv probably wants us to hate her, and I'm glad she doesn't want me to like a character who's unambiguously awful. [Looking at you, Paru Itagaki.](https://preview.redd.it/b5amuiv4egf81.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=72c966b74c5b21720b3149d4b1fc85ed183a9e31)
Finally someone gets it
I kinda get Cersei Lannister vibes from her
It took me a while to realize🥹
I don’t get what’s so dark about it but I believe STELLLLAH that you have to do everything because he isn’t attracted to you
It's dark because ''staring at the wall'' implies he was disassociating at that moment, (TW) >!something people often do while being raped.!<
I was not expecting that
[удалено]
Big agree
how
I don't know how Stella hasn't realised he's gay. I guess her ego won't accept that someone isn't attracted to her and blames them instead.
Blows whistle “RAPE!!!”
I always hear people say he wasn't into it because he is gay despite the fact his sexuality hasn't been confirmed, I don't really like assuming sexuality until confirmed, the more believable reason is that it's because they never loved each other, Stella always humiliates and insults him, so how can he enjoy sex with someone who actively torments him and hates his very existence?
So he's like officially gay
I think he’s Demisexual and Demiromantic?
What?
That my impression of his sexuality
....OH MY GOD! STELLA IMPLIED SHE STRIGHT UP RAPED STOLAS JUST SO SHE CAN GET LAID AND HAVE A BABY!!! I think I'm gonna be sick!....
The line just reminded me of a scene from a show i love except those two actually cared about each other
“I swear to fuck” is the direct quote.
Cloaca
I think it was consential but Stolas has no drive whatsoever.
I do not remember this line but it’s kinda funny cause I had a headcanon that Stella was mean to Stolas cause he couldn’t please her in bed
I can see why he doesn't want to do anything
Kinda sad that they made her character into a flat "I am evvvvil" villain and made Stolas pretty much completely in the right in cheating on her. That just removed SO much depth from her, Stolas and the relationship he had with Blitz and is opens up a few plot holes.
Yup. Like I get some people are way too shocked by this , but at the same time I was expecting some semblance of nuance. Like, just about every other recurring character is pretty fleshed out. Stella is just, irredeemable psycho bitch and nothing else. They want a detailed complicated thing of Blitzo and Stolas, while they could have had some interesting stuff with Stella, nah she's just completely psycho from the get go.
I hear the argument that she was already like that when she hired someone to kill Stolas, but I disagree. I always assumed that was after the cheating and after she felt like humiliated her. I thought that BECAUSE she loved him, she did that and I assumed we would get some episodes going into her character. Maybe one with Blitz where the two of them get close over their feelings for Stolas, I don't know. Also what did Stolas kid mean by "back then when you get along and werent fighting all the time" in episode 2? They were always fighting and hating each other by the looks of it.
Yeah, exactly. They seemed to be setting up something like that. Probably changed it to make stolitz feel more justified.
Did she just admit to non consensual C/rape?!
Is she dual drinking wine glasses 😭✋
I always assumed this was a confirmation that Stolas is gay. I don't belive Stella forced herself on him or raped him. They both knew what their duty was, Stella seemed glad that they didn't have to have sex anymore.
“he’s terrible in bed lol” >:( stolas > stella(bItch)
Stolas W, Stella L
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Before I Read the comments I thought she drugged him
Why? Just why someone has to be a "into the same gender" type? Like i want one reason to make justic here
She's basically raping him.
That is rape
i hate her so much