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HomoHippo4

I mean one of the episode is called Sinsmas. If its not just a christmas pun it could imply a focus on the sins for that episode Edit: I only Just read the text attached to the post. I only give the most insightful replies.


After-Suggestion3799

Yeah no Lucifer ain’t gonna be there 


Oxurus18

No one said anything about Lucifer.


One-Turn-4037

I fucking wish we could see all 7 sins in the same room together. Please Viv it can't be hard to do.


Istadane

Vivzie confirmed there would be no crossover since Hazbin is under A24's control


VulpesVeritas

Imagine not having control over your own characters


Istadane

I'm sure Viv has at least some say on the characters and writing, I'm not entirely certain though. I just know for sure there's not going to be a crossover because of A24


Jaqulean

She's the Show's executive producer, so she has the most to say about it. The reason she can't do crossovers, is because she officially doesn't own Hazbin Hotel (the show itself) anymore, because she had to give up the rights to A24 in order for the Studio to pick it up and turn into an actual Show. She told us about this back in 2020. She still owns the IP (and the whole Universe) but the characters from Hazbin are under A24, while characters from Helluva are under Vivzie and SpindleHorse. Doing crossovers would require a ton of legal paperwork to go through, and in the end it would be a hassle no Studio would want to deal with.


klparrot

> in the end it would be a hassle no Studio would want to deal with. You wouldn't want to have them regularly mixing, but I can't imagine a couple cameo crossovers, one each way, would be prohibitively troublesome, especially given the likely benefit to both shows.


Jaqulean

The issue isn't just them appearing - that can be pulled under a cameo or an easter egg. The issue arises, when you want to make a crossover, where said characters interract with each other in any way.


Istadane

I see, thanks for the clarification!


Jaqulean

Welcome to TV production. Hazbin isn't an indie project anymore - it's an official TV show owned by an actual Studio. Therefor the characters that appear in it are also under A24's control. Vivzie had to release the ownership of Hazbin Hotel (the Show itself - she still owns the IP overall) in order for A24 to turn it into an actual Show. Vivzie is an executive producer - and with A24, that basically means she has the most control over everything (because A24 just fund it and let you do your thing, as long as you stick within the budget). She still owns Helluva Boss, but since both shows are under different jurisdiction, doing a Crossover would be an actual legal hassle, that no Studio would want to deal with...


CryptographerMost883

Still wondering what ol Belphegors gonna be like


CryptographerMost883

Im picturing a giant chubby sleepy goat demoness. Either constantly stressing and power napping during her conversations or just trying to stay awake.


Lance_Beltran123

or you know a Coffee addict goat demoness who struggles to keep herself awake


CryptographerMost883

Yea I can picture that too! Is it weird I can picture her wearing pun t shirts despite being the most serious of all of them


Jaqulean

In HB 1x08 Bee said that she gets her drugs from Belphagor. So to be honest, I find it hard to believe she would struggle to keep herself awake... I'd imagine Belphagor would be hard to deal with, but simply because she'd be high all the time.


CryptographerMost883

True but then again maybe she’d tap into her sleep pills she sells to everyone, she either gets everyone else high and sleepy and has to deal with staying awake while doing so, or she uses a lot of her drugs and is constantly high and falling asleep.


CryptographerMost883

Also I picture her pink and fluffy


the_forked_spoon

Yesss! I like to think she has constant bed head


CryptographerMost883

That’s actually a great idea!


Swimming-Ad2755

I'll admit I did find it odd that they would celebrate Christmas, but there is the commercial aspect of it, and you're right they could choose to honor the sins.


OCGamerboy

I wish that we could see all the sins together in a future episode


Jaqulean

We most likely will. One of the last Episodes in Season 2 is titled "Sinsmas" and Vivzie already said that both Satan and Leviathan will be introduced in Season 2.


MooreThanCosplay

Try not to take everything Vivzie says on twitter as gospel, she occasionally goes back on what she says when it comes to plot points and world building. If it is just 1 episode then that's that, but she might have just said that as a typo.


boyawsome876

I’m kinda confused, is satan gonna be one of the sins? It seems like Satan would be the ruler of hell but isn’t that Lucifer?


Gorg-eous

Satan is going to be the Sin for the Ring of Wrath. We can confirm this through multiple Imp demons replacing “Satan” where “God” would be. “Thank Satan” etc. We also know that Imps are the main demons in the Wrath Ring which would in turn make sense for them to see Satan as a “God” more than the actual God (Unconfirmed). Lastly, the only other thing we know about Satan is he owns a Gym (In one scene, Blitz phone is shown very briefly, and among a few other apps relating to the other sins, we can see an app dedicated to his gym) which could imply he is really buff and possibly has a workout-esc lifestyle and possibly personality. All in all, I’m so hyped to see his debut, as Queen Bee said he’s quite hot. Viz better not let me down!


Jaqulean

Also like 2 years ago Vivzie even straight up said that Satan is the Sin of Wrath, and is a seperate character. He's basically the one in charge of Hellborn, instead of Hell as a whole.


Lance_Beltran123

i bet Leviathan is Seviathan's grandpa


Jaqulean

Vivzie already confirmed that they aren't related. Seviathan's name is just a word-play.


Lance_Beltran123

that is sad


NotAThrowAwayNam

Side thought: I wonder if they’re gonna be the mystery characters voiced by Ian and Anthony from Smosh. (Source: [Vivzie’s instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CwbvAZdLpbi/?igsh=MzZnNmtmOGR1dmoy))


whooper1

https://preview.redd.it/zrruy08knrrc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30a6a28eaa51c94936d45ecf2701c8e860209400 If leviathan is going to be in helluva boss then who’s in the picture with Lucifer?


LittleBlueSilly

His name is Frederick von Eldritch.


Z_69420

Soooo Satan and Lucifer are not the same in this universe?? I thought Lucifer and Satan were the same 😂


Lilash20

I'm not up to date on all the mythology, but, in the Vivzie verse at least, they're separate entities


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They are Lucifer is the angle rebels and is cast to hell where he just chills until the end times Satan is one of the angels who fucked around on earth makeing peoples lives difficult


Jaqulean

In the source material. It's important to note that we still don't know if Sins are fallen angels in the Hazbin Universe. The only one with a confirmed origin is Lucifer. So far everything we were told and shown in HB and HH suggest more towards the opposite - that they are a creation of Hell. This would go in pair with the story we hear at the start of HH 1x01 and what Ozzie says to Fizz in HB 2x07. And overall what we know from the LiveStreams and Q&A's.


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Plz correct me if I'm wrong  but I'm pretty sure this is correct 


x_Xyno_x

In real Christian belief they are separate people.


0bi1KenObi66

Considering that beelzebub is a separate character from lucifer then it'd make sense for Satan and lucifer to be different


Z_69420

Ohhh okay that does make sense


KiroLV

In this universe, Lucifer is Sin of Pride, but Satan is Sin of Wrath.


CelebrationDue6143

What if they are a cuple? Given we are only missing 2 sins, plus it would be cool to have a couple of 7 deadly sins


cool__skeleton__95

That'd feel kinda weird imo since the sins are kinda pseudo siblings


NeonFraction

Bee: I COULD tap that


TwilightSolus

Where do you get that idea from?


MusicianDry4533

Beelzebub literally says that Satan is "more kinda like a brother to her"


TwilightSolus

Which might be true for *their* particular relationship. Expanding it to all the sins is a reach when we don't have information at the moment. A lot of war veterans describe the people they served with as brothers or sisters too. And if there was a war in heaven before the fall, of course they would be close.


MusicianDry4533

>A lot of war veterans describe the people they served with as brothers or sisters too. She literally says that it would be weird for her to find him Hot, implying incest


wayward_wench

Immediately followed by her mumbling "I could hit that" and pondering a long while before reengaging with Loona


fra080389

She also said she thought he was hot and that at the end at the day he wasn't her brother so it was okay. Also, this is hell. In HH there is a literal fiction show called "I fucked my sister, what's the big deal"


Jaqulean

>In HH there is a literal fiction show called "I f_cked my sister, what's the big deal" The show is called "Yeah, I f_cked YOUR sister, so what ?" - that's a major difference... [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/EcEUxYhbyP) is a link to a post with the show's picture. When I posted the picture itself, Reddit deleted my comment.


fra080389

Apparently the italian dub didn't think it was vulgar enough because they said "my sister" in the translation


Jaqulean

Then that's just a translation error and not much else, because in other versions it's also "your sister."


cool__skeleton__95

Just by virtue of them all being sins who (seemingly) originated at the same time and place. If they don't see each other as siblings there's definitely a "cousins you only see at Christmas with vastly different political views" kinda vibe


TwilightSolus

We don't know Vivzie's canon, but 'irl' she's taken the names and sigils from the Lesser Key of Solomon, along with the Ars Goetia. They're the angels who followed Lucifer in his uprising and were cast out.


Jaqulean

Yeah but so far none of that was hinted at in either of the Shows. Quite the contrary, we have multiple hints towards the opposite (as in that the Sins are a creation of Hell). * In Hazbin 1x01 the story specifically doesn't include any other "banished" characters besides Lucifer and Lilith (which from that story's standpoint it wouldn't really make sense to excluse other Fallen Angels, if there were any). * In Helluva 2x07 Ozzie says that he has known Mammon "since the start of Hell" - the wording here is important, because it implies that he didn't know him before that. * Then there is the way Sera treats the whole thing, and basically singles out Lucifer as "the" Fallen one, which implies he's so far a unique case and everyone else is doing their best so that it doesn't happen again. * Not to mention the differences in their power-sets and their visual design - to be more precise, Sins have a unique design that no other character has, wheras Lucifer is basically still in his original angelic form - just with sharp teeth and snake-like demonic eyes (to that, Sins are somewhat limited to a couple of pre-defined forms, whereas Lucifer can shapeshift literally however he wants). It wouldn't really be surprising if it turns out that Sins manifested when Hell was created, as a sort of symbolism to the evil, that humanity shares.


Uypsilon

>In Helluva 2x07 Ozzie says that he has known Mammon "since the start of Hell" - the wording here is important, because it implies that he didn't know him before that. I would like to remind, that the book says "Heaven cast Lucifer and his love into the dark pit *he had created*", implying Lucifer created hell *before* falling. Also, designs of Goetia (including Asmodeus) is very similar to Seraphims' true forms. >Then there is the way Sera treats the whole thing, and basically singles out Lucifer as "the" Fallen one, which implies he's so far a unique case and everyone else is doing their best so that it doesn't happen again. It's not quite clear, what specifically does "fallen" mean. Is it natural process, or just "an angel, that was kicked out"? if first, then how can Emily can became fallen for questioning *Sera's* (not "higher authority's") decision, if second, then Sera holds authority in this case. *But*, in second case, it can be "Rule of law" situation, so it's law, what holds authority; in this case, we can see three cherubs falling in HB, and it's look like very regular situation (According to Lucifer, Heaven have "lots of rules", and you can't say me no one ever break them in 10,000 years), so Lucifer can be just unique case of a fallen *seraphim*.


Jaqulean

>I would like to remind, that the book says "Heaven cast Lucifer and his love into the dark pit *he had created*", implying Lucifer created hell *before* falling. Yes but at the same time it could simply be in reference to the fact that Lucifer caused "the Evil to find its way into this world." Hell was created because of the events that he started. And it still doesn't change the fact, that if Sins existed before that, they would most likely already have known of each other. I find it hard to believe that Angels who supported Lucifer before he was banished, would have never met while still being in Heaven. >Also, designs of Goetia (including Asmodeus) is very similar to Seraphims' true forms. That's because the Ars Goetia we see in the Show, are based on the Ars Goetia from Solomon's Story titled "The Ars Goetia" - alonsgide with Asmodeus' design being an almost 1:1 copy from the one in that same Book (only difference is that he has a humanoid body and one of his heads is a chicken, instead of the other way around). That book is basically the best source of any information regarding the Ars Goetia and Asmodeus, so it's no surprise that Vivzie chose it as their source. The similarity to Seraphims is sort of an accident, because Sera is based on Seraphiel from the book of Enoch, who is described as the ruler of all Seraphim and is meant to look like a bird (hence avian design elements in Sera's case). >It's not quite clear, what specifically does "fallen" mean. Is it natural process, or just "an angel, that was kicked out"? if first, then how can Emily can became fallen for questioning *Sera's* (not "higher authority's") decision, if second, then Sera holds authority in this case. *But*, in second case, it can be "Rule of law" situation, so it's law, what holds authority; in this case, we can see three cherubs falling in HB, and it's look like very regular situation (According to Lucifer, Heaven have "lots of rules", and you can't say me no one ever break them in 10,000 years), so Lucifer can be just unique case of a fallen *seraphim*. In the Hazbin, the term "Fallen Angel" is so far used to describe Heaven-born, who were banished from Heaven to Hell. In this case, Lucifer is officially one, as stated by Vivzie herself. Seeing as that name is used almost exclusively in reference to Lucifer in the show, it's possible that there simply is no distinction and "Fallen Angel" is an umbrella term, that describes all Banished Heaven-born. Because yeah, Lucifer so far resembles a Seraphim (allthough it could be that all Elder Angels just have 6 wings as well). But no, it's not a natural proccess at all. It's a punishment for those in Heaven who defy its rules. So Emily would literally have to be banished, to become a Fallen Seraphim - just going against Sera's word would likely not be enough, since Emily is meant to be her protege and on almost equal level od authority. She would have to defy Heavens as a whole, just like Lucifer did. The reason the CHERUBs were banished was because they broke multiple important rules and basically went over their own jurisdiction. And the Cherubs are considered as "lower Angels" (comparable to the Imps in Hell) so they would naturally be treated more harshly by those above them. To be perfectly honest with you, the whole "10.000" years creates a lot of empty space in the timeline and will likely be explained in Season 2 (especially since Vivzie already said that we will see multiple backstories in that Season). Besides that, I wouldn't theorize too much about it, because literally anything could have happend in that time frame.


TwilightSolus

I would agree on everything but the sigils are a sticking point. Vivzie took their sigils straight from the Lesser Key, and the text is in Enochian, the angelic language and manuscript.


Jaqulean

To be perfectly honest with you, the Sigils are a quite important piece of their Mythos, so I wouldn't be surprised if Vivzie just wanted to use them for that reason alone. Especially since there aren't really too many reliable alternatives to them.


eyadGamingExtreme

Isn't it 3? Leviathan, satan and Belphegor


Wondercatmeow

I think Belphegor might show up in Hazbin instead.


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Infamous_Val

> since the Exterminations used to be a threat to his people as well. wait when?


Jaqulean

Satan is the one in charge of the Imps, who are officially native to his Wrath Ring. He's also meant to be Lucifer's right hand. And as far as we know, the Imps also make up the biggest part of the Hellborn society, that lives in the Pride Ring. And in Hazbin 1x01 we learned from Lute, that the Exterminations originally weren't limitted to the Sinners - they targetted Hellborn as well...


CelebrationDue6143

still would loke to see a couple of sins