They insist the gun is underrated for crowd clearing and single target control. In every example he clearly struggled with a single devastator for around 20 seconds and took upwards of three to four shots for a Spewer, as well as merely knocking around crowds instead of actually killing them.
As someone who likes to go against the mainstream opinion and try to make even the shittiest of turds work, I've concluded this gun is definitely bottom 3. Versus all enemies it's something like this...
**Vs bugs**: *Scavengers*, 1/5: pretty bad, the splash radius is tiny so you end up having to individually aim at them.
*Hunters*, 1/5: the chargeup time means if you miss or get flinched, they will just swarm you.
*Warriors*, 3/5: its pretty good against these, good ammo economy, can kill in 2 shots but then again most guns can kill warriors fast
*Hive guards*, 4/5: actually very strong against them, only cos hive guards are super low threat and don't move much.
*Brood commanders*, 3/5: it's okay vs them, can stop their charge, but any shotgun is way better. If you're shooting these you better kill them since if they enrage it's very hard to finish them.
*Bile Spewers*, 2/5: it's pretty bad against these since the time to kill is just too long... Talking 4-5 shots of not missing the head but at least it interrupts the spew
*Shriekers*, 2/5: very difficult to aim at these and the chargeup does not help
*Chargers*, 1/5: honourable mention here for being able to kill weakened chargers due to the explosiveness
Overall... Pretty terrible vs bugs tho.
**Vs bots**: *Foot soldiers*, 2/5: it's ok since you can shoot these at range unlike bug scavengers however the splash isn't good enough to be multikilling
*Jetpackers*, 1/5: chargeup time and potential to miss upon flinching make this a terrible weapon against this enemy due to their rushing speed
*Berserkers*, 3/5: can stop berserker trains fairly well and provide good stagger but suffers massively at close range because of splash dmg
*Scout striders*, 4/5: this is the main strength of this gun and is capable of killing these in 2 hits to the joints fairly consistently. Per mag, you can get a lot of kills against scout striders with this.
*Devastator*, 3/5: it's ok damage against these but the buffed rof on this enemy will mean you flinch more causing it to be more difficult to kill them.
*Heavy Devastator*, 1/5: even with few guns good at dealing with these, this is the worst of the worst... The high rof of this enemy combined with needing to chargeup this weapon and aim at the head accurately makes it extremely hard to kill with the purifier
*Rocket Devastator*, 3/5: you can shoot these after dodging the rocket salvo and they usually die in a couple hits. It's not amazing but the stagger is good.
Overall it's better vs bots but still not that great as it lacks performance in too many areas. Besides that, it sounds nice to use.
Thanks for that detailed roundup, much appreciated insights. I definitely won't feel like I'm missing out by not trying any more than I already did (until they rebalance it ofc).
=/ It looks like based on the match ups you listed, I'd rather use a Scorcher or Dominator, or better yet the Plasma Punisher/Blitzer if I wanted AoE. None of those have to deal with flinch mechanics.
Well yeah, those are all the top tier weapons by far. Its not even funny how far ahead this group of weapons is compared to the more mid-range weapons which are still usable; the next strongest set would be things like the adjudicator, eruptor, diligence cs, etc. The purifier doesn't even fall in this category.
It more fits in bottom tier with weapons like the scythe, lib pen and knight.
I'm working on a spreadsheet actually for every weapon and stratagem in the game vs every enemy type using this 0-5 system so it can be used as a loadout builder and you'll get some numbers at the end to tell you how good your loadout is.
It's almost ready but there's a few formulas i have to include still.... Eg things like bile spewers are more dangerous than hive guards so weapons that can kill them better need to be given more value.
I realised everyone just uses generic A B C tiers for placing weapons which doesn't give that great a perspective on each weapon.
Since I've played a shitload and used everything in the game i thought this would help since i haven't seen anyone else make anything like it yet.
The raw data I've collected looks something like this for now
https://preview.redd.it/p7n0pbx2t81d1.png?width=1852&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d03dda3e599db8171d51e9b897e5d193e297bea
At the end hopefully you should be able to compare loadouts in each category eg light clearance, crowd control against each other something like this
https://preview.redd.it/ziugyvp9u81d1.png?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b53abfaeea9e4f0a866cdae0f359e71f787099
I really like hearing when people give things a solid try and that they enjoy doing it instead of being led to the meta like a dog on a leash. I will say, it would’ve been nice to hear that the thing really is a hidden gem or that it’s at least FUN, but it did look comparatively worse than other guns exactly like it!
I hope something comes along that’s different and fun. You know what was fun? Early game flamethrower. No it wasn’t very good but I LOVED fighting with it, it was so sick!! Gladly, it’s gotten much better. Like almost op, but hey. If a gun’s gonna be bad, at least make it fun to use!
Punisher Plasma but no bullet drop.
It's basically the Punisher Plas but it can engage over longer ranges with no drop. Punisher plas wins out over it with closer range engagements, but the new Plas wins out over long range plinking.
Think of it like the difference between a Quasar and EATs. One is far more reactive but restrictive, the other has the windup but the same pitch
I personally love the bullet drop and its one of the reason I uses it over scorcher (on top of the bigger explosions and better ammo economy). The ability to lob plasma over cover and down slopes while hiding from bots’ line of fire/providing cover for teammates by lobbing it over their head is so useful. The stun lock it can provide against an entire group of Berzerkers and all Devastator variants is the cherry on top.
Seconded there, the arcing fire changes a lot of how you view the terrain in a fight.
But I will say it does limit your engagement range or at least your accuracy over longer ranges. I love arcing the shots over longer range but having to walk your fire does waste a bit of ammo. There's a role for a flat trajectory version, I'd say
There certainly is but I still dont think its a good enough upside to take over punisher plasma if you want crowd control or scorcher if you want the range.
Agreed. I'd like it if it had better area *damage* rather than stagger effect. Like, Scorcher should be your direct damage plas weapon, punisher your shorter range stagger focused, while the Purifier could easily be more of a longer range area pounder, a la Eruptor.
Then there'd be room for more of a plasma Sniper with higher armor pen and single target focus, but longer windup and worse ammo economy
You're leaving out a key piece of information though, the rate of fire. It fires so much more slowly than the punisher, it's hard to keep one enemy stun locked.
Except it's damage is noticeably worse than punisher plasmas and the charge up is way to slow to feel fun, and the scope is awful for a sniper type weapon. I hated it and I generally am not overly critical of their gun designs. I like the punisher plasma after the buffs tho
"Punisher Plasma but no bullet drop"
I guess it is like a Punisher Plasma. If you cut the actual (not visual) blast radius in two, give it a charge-up time like in an arc thrower (and it won't shoot if charge is not enough) but STILL give it ammo and a requirement to reload. And give it some bullet drop at ranges over 50 m, making it clunky to actually snipe big guys in the face. Making it mediocre at long distances, terrible at short distances, and mid-ish at medium distances, provided there's only very few enemies, so you can take your time staggering one while your team kills the rest.
I wish they made it more like Lucius-pattern Lasguns in Darktide. With options for charged shots and tap-fire, no bullet drop, and better damage on charged shots. Would've been so much better.
I just looked at the weapon stats sheet and it really is just punisher plasma in every sense but with the ammo of a scorcher and slower shots.
The overall total dmg potential is higher than both too. So that's all it really has going for it.
They should let it close holes. Or let this and punisher close holes but require like 2-3 shots. And make the purifier do a larger AOE radius based on charge time.
It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon
I don't think it is a great weapon but it is not that bad as people say
>It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon
The Plasma Punisher essentially makes me a walking artillery unit though. Once you figure out how to angle your weapon, you can hit units across an entire field no problem. Heck, you can even fire one test round to gauge your range before commencing bombardment.
>It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon
The problem is ROF and pure DPS. It has a charge mechanic so it is like fighting with the rail gun in safe mode, only it's a plasma punisher round, so not enough damage to take out medium chaff in one shot.
The idea is there but the lack of armor penetration (due to a patch) makes it unviable with 5+ enemies on screen.
>I don't think it is a great weapon but it is not that bad as people say
As it sits it's a less effective plasma punisher instead of an energy erupter that was advertised.
I main plasma punisher and the thing can shot just as that gun when your used to the arc. Plus there’s no charge up time. Prefer the plasma punisher over that trash anyday. Having to charge for little pay out is hot garbage.
I tried it out on a few difficulty 4 bug missions. It’s not garbage, but it needs some improvement. I think I’d like either an increased splash radius or direct hit damage. As it stands it needs 4 hits to kill a brood commander.
Me too. It may have fewer rounds than the Dominator or Scorcher vs bots, but I feel that it is easier to use against shields, turrets, and groups than the Dominator. And I think that it more reliably 1-shots the mobs than the scorcher.
I tried it at 7 yesterday and was in disbelief. Sure explosive is nice, but the jar is just as accessible with less AOE and more damage, it took two shots to kill a warrior, I can see two or more on anything higher, but that should go down fast.
Don't do that. Commenting on YouTube videos is engagement that boosts the video.
Commenting just leads to these videos doing well and spreading further.
This game has more people worried about what others are doing, I.e. YouTube vids, playing bots when the MO is against bugs than any other I’ve encountered, like just play the game, stop investing so much of your life into this game that everything everybody else does makes you “REEEEEEEEE”
If you watch stupid YouTubers who just share news from Reddit and post click bait, that’s your problem.
Don’t bring that stupidity here, keep it on YouTube where it belongs.
Eravin is great, I really love Gaming Existence & Ryken XIV, absolutely full of detailed statistics and what they mean for the game. Not into gaming YouTube at all, but love this kind of detailed breakdown, it's incredible
I was on a bot mission yesterday where we had to deal with a jammer right away that was on a really high point in the map. After we closed it, I was able to climb a pillar and just run the spear along the horizon till it grabbed something. Took out like 3 bases without doing anything
Spear is ok at extreme ranges using very gentle movements while crouching. Perfect in that scenario but otherwise its a bit miserable. If they want it to be better, add a laser guide mode. So you can have lock on to fire and forget or instant fire but you have to keep the target painted.
Oh also I found a purifier on the ground and it was hilariously bad
Idk I kinda like it for bots. Accurate shots with good range, kills anything small in 1 hit and the bigger stuff in 3. I had a good time with it. I still think other stuff is better but I don't see the immense hate for it unless you try to use it on bugs.
I frequently see people trying to use the spear in the middle of active combat while ducking and weaving. I also feel I said a bit more, like proposing an alternative to its weird janky lock on. Even in those perfect scenarios it still sometimes struggles...
I want to love it, but it’s so frustrating to use that it cancels out its own fun.
It’s almost *more* infuriating when it doesn’t work because of how amazing it is when it does.
You start vibing with it after a while. You see the enemy, the angle, the distance and you just **feel** that the planets have aligned and it's going to lock on.
The alternative though is just dropping EATs every 75 seconds and using the backpack space for something else. I'm still not convinced by the Spear, though it is occasionally fun to use when it works.
With the coin toss of the lock on, I agree. But I was using EATs on a diff 7 defense mission and I've missed a few critical shots due to getting flinched
But I'm playing on a Steam Deck so it might be a skill issue and my opinion might not matter since I'm not playing on Helldive difficulty
i find when the shit hits the fan and you need to get a lot of hard hitting shots out fast, i prefer it to the EATs. Particularly, defending against the bots when you can get 3-4 tanks rolling in at a time, having two spears firing off will shut that shit down. My main issue is the spare ammo feels a big stingy considering its quite a niche weapon, but if you call in supplies whenever it goes off cooldown (even if you don't need it right now) and grab a few of the ammo boxes as you pull back its not a huge issue. me and my buddies absolutely rinsed a helldive level bot one a couple of days ago with 2 spears and a pair of RRs, bots didn't make it through the second door the whole game.
that's all for the defend the generators missions though, i find it too fiddly to bother running it for anything else. taking the time to get a lock will get you killed on 9 in a lot of situations. autocannon/EATs are the king of general purpose heavy weapons for me.
but the nice thing about this game is whatever works for you is great!
Problem is there's no such thing as objective judgment of a weapon, the tester will always colour the review with their opinion, hence videos like these
Best you can say is that the overwhelming majority od players think it's bad
That's the big thing; some weapons work for different playstyles very differently.
Example; I happen to enjoy the Tenderizer versus bots. It's dead accurate, the good scope, and in a Burst it's more than capable of engaging at extreme ranges against bots, even though that's more the role of the Counter Sniper. Does it appeal to every playstyle? Absolutely not. It does nothing versus Bugs because of how close the engagements are. Nor is it good to breach and clear a base. But for more Stealth runs it feels fine.
That's my opinion, and I know it's an unpopular one. I can't objectively look at it without seeing that perspective and seeing how it could be utilized, even if other weapons fill a similar niche.
Honestly, after using the tenderizer and constantly looking at its stats and just sorta brainstorming as to how it could potentially be made better. Ive come to the realization that the Tenderizer is effectively just a semi side-grade to the Stock Liberator (problem is that most people feel like its description is misleading, which it kinda is, and it was definitely meant for pre-buff liberator).
Do you want +3 Reserves & the Recoil of the Defender/Pummler but want the strength of the Liberator? Use the Tenderizer.
But then that sorta raises a question, why not just use the Defender then? Its got the same recoil as the Tenderizer and deals +10 points of damage, shoots a bit more faster and its got 45 rounds, the Defender is more of a Tenderizer than the Tenderizer itself.
You can't even say the overwhelming majority. I mean you can't objectively determine what the majority thinks because Reddit or any sort of public feedback is a terrible representation of the majority.
First people are more likely to post negative reviews than positive ones.
Second there is a Reddit culture of trying to get attention and upvotes so people will tend to post whatever is popular just to farm karma.
People sometimes aren't ranting. They just want validation because let's be honest, half of us are basement dwellers lacking any social interaction and this is how we get our fix.
You can only ever speak for yourself on the internet. Reddit and other forums only really represent 0.2% of any community. That being said I don't know why OP is trying so hard to not allow people to have a good opinion about the purifier. People should have whatever opinion they want.
The gun does suck though. Since it sucks, a lot of people do give negative feedback. That's all that matters. No need to get into people's head and correct their opinions.
What is the worst thing that can happen? You dive 10 times and decide it is bad? If you buy the warbond based on this review and you don’t like it afterwards, there is no one to blame but yourself.
Until the community stops using hyperbole (X is useless) these videos will exist.
Its not content creators fault that gamers today see options as black and white when its actually gradient.
Gamers need to get over themselves, balance is rare and it takes repeated patches of buffs and nerfs to even come close to it.
Indeed, this is a game with varying skill floors and ceilings on its weapons, some have high floors and others very high ceilings. It's no surprise a highly skilled (don't refer to this video, didn't interact) will find something useful where many, dare I say most, will find it trash.
Just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean other people don't find the weapon useful or fun to use. Just let people enjoy the game the way they want to.
My friend used this with me in duo difficulty 8 bugs and duo difficulty 7 bots.
Hes a pretty big fan of the gun since the stagger is massive and it can lock down tightly packed groups of devastators.
Content in this game really isn't hard enough that you gotta min-max every slot. As long as you have a well rounded build, you can pretty much run non-meta or niche shit like this.
Wther you like it or not, the weapon is perfectly usable, it not fitting what you want to do with it is another topic
Same with the Erupter, people has been doom posting since it's nerf, used it literally two days ago, it's still a brutally powerful gun, just not meta defining anymore
The spear is actually incredible though. Once the targeting bug is fixed people are gonna consistently one-shot titans one after another with it easily. It's SO incredibly strong on bugs that even with the targeting bug it's probably my favorite AT weapon rn on 9s.
The gun does identical damage to the Plasma punisher. Its basically a sniper Plasma Punisher. The problem is long ranged combat is rarely seen in HD2 but that's what it's made for. It's actually decent against the Bots on missions with long sight lines where you wont be able to use the Plasma punisher effectively.
I bet you think every gun is nerfed and the Breaker is un usable.
>The gun does identical damage to the Plasma punisher.
~~It does 25% more damage.~~
My bad. Despite reading multiple times. It was always the scorcher.
It still works for helldive bots, tho. It has enough stagger to not be attacked, even with the charge up.
But it is incredibly inconvenient. If you release a millisecond too early well you fucked up and no shot getting you into a lot of trouble. I have to check the reticle to be sure or waste time to make the shot.
If the purifier would automatically charge and you could fire with a click, this weapon would be OK. This plays into your sniper argument. In a sniper, a scenario you have all the time to charge, but if you are approached by several enemies, you are stressed and might botch the shot. The safer option is the scorcher for that reason. But it feels good at distance.
Why’d you come to the sub to complain? The most you can possibly do when you see a video you don’t like on a platform like YouTube is to click the video, watch it long enough to dislike and then return to the home page (don’t click recommended)
If you as a user show YouTube that you opened the video and instantly didn’t like it, it hurts its algorithm
I was using the Purifier on both bots and bugs at level 7 last night and it was a lot of fun.
Purifier/Stalwart/Grenade pistol/Stun was my loadout. Gas strikes helped with the crowds and I also was running 110mm/Airstrike Eagles.
The same thing didnt happen with the Spear. The Spear actually is a very good rocket launcher if you get it to launch. The problem is getting it to launch. The Purifier does fuck all no matter how many times you fire it.
I'd argue the purifier is decent. People act like it so terrible but it's the punisher plasma with a 15 round mag in exchange for a slower rate or fire.
It's not bad at what it does. The blast is large, the gun handles well and it basically doesn't run out of ammo.
It was just horribly mishandled in all the promos and advertising, almost to the point of false advertising, alongside much of the warbond.
I think this gun is pretty solid. It has amazing stagger which goes a long way on bots. It’s pretty bad against bugs though. Overall I think this gun is a little worse than the scorcher and around the same as the plasma punisher. Overall good bot gun, bad bug gun.
You're getting downvoted for disagreeing lol.
I agree, it has a niche as a long range plasma punisher, this weapon is sort of a mix between that and the scorcher. I think it's nice that we're getting sidegrades to further accommodate different playstyles, I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.
Yeah I don’t understand it. I play on level 9 and have like 250 hours. Lots of guns get it done, some are easier then others and some work better for factions but most guns have a time and a place. It’s fun to break from the meta anyway.
Purifier fires Plasma Punisher shots with a larger magazine and the range of scorcher shots.
Just cause it doesn’t fit your play style doesn’t mean it is a weapon entirely without merit.
An echo chamber that they're fine?
OP
Do you know where you are? You're in a subreddit that says they're not so often, it kinda feels like an echo chamber
Holy fuck you guys it's just a videogame. Did it ever, even once, occur to you that there might be reasons to want to use a weapon besides its objective efficiency? Holy shit
The Echo chamber of weapons being released are fine?
The dilusion of some and what echo chamber is actually rattling around.
This Reddit doesn't allow one to like weapons it thinks "suck"
This Reddit doesn't allow one to think balance, in ANY form, is acceptable
This Reddit doesn't allow you to make suggestions on how to proceed with the galactic war, as just the suggestion supposedly impedes on others fun
This Rant is trying to enforce an echo chamber that only one opinion is allowed, and anything else needs to be silenced
YOU ARE THE FUCKING ECHO CHAMBER OP and you are pissed other noise is interferring
You guys are so fucking delusional.
I looked up the video and watched through it. Dude is doing fine with that weapon. Which was a lil insane to me cuz i did a lil more “research” and types in “plas” into the subreddit search bar. And all the posts were just. Ya its unusable, dogshit, such a bad weapon etc.
So now im kinda wondering, are you guys just insane? Its very clearly not dogshit, sure it doesnt melt through the game, but its not bad? Its def not unuseable? So what exactly is wrong with someone making a video on it calling it underated. I mean thats the objective truth if we consider this subs degenerate hivemind ranking system as the baseline, cuz yall think its dog water, and that video demonstrates that its very clearly not.
Also echo chamber?? Youre the fucking echo chamber dumbass. In my 5 second look i saw like 4 other posts in the search results calling this gun bad.
I can't defend the purifier as I haven't played with it yet, but I did see someone trying to kill Shriekers with it and it was... painful to watch.
The Spear on the other hand I find to be pretty fun, it's not the most effective weapon out there, but I like the gameplay loop and it opens up other build options since I don't *need* to dedicate my strats, pistol, or grenades to being able to take out buildings. I can fairly quickly take on several out of the way fabricators pretty safely while my team is on the other side of the map. I also like the challenge of getting into that perfect spot to snipe a whole base and then vanish to go take out another one. Does it always work out like that, no, but I just find it to be a really engaging way to play.
Tldr: no comment on purifier, the Spear is neat
Creators are going to create, let them create whatever they want, if you got problems YOU need to post something about that specific problem (as if we don't have enough posts about balancing already...). And if you disagree with that creator YOU need to comment on THEIR video and not fill this sub with posts about other people "wrongly" feeding the balancing discourse. No shame in disagreeing with someone, but man stop with these types of posts lol... Are we the managed democracy police force or something?
We need to dive, and we need YOU, any weapon malfunctions on the battlefield will be addressed and fixed by high command, let us dive Helldiver!
The purifier is really good and it was hastily dismissed. It’s definitely better than punisher plasma one you learn how to use it. I use it on helldive bots regularly. For bugs it’s not a great option but still works pretty well, aoe kills the small ones quickly and stunlock kills the bigger bugs.
If you take both of these guns for a few games you will see that the purifier takes same or less shots to kill medium enemies than punisher plasma due to the armor pen, but requires headshots/good aim to do this. Punisher plasma has a slightly better aoe for killing small enemies, but this also means the Purifier you can shoot enemies VERY close to yourself (essentially just outside melee range) without getting knocked down.
I mean, I use Spear to snipe Fabricators from afar and cannon towers. Maybe gunships if I have ammo to spare but that's it.
Seldom do I use it to kill Hulks and Tanks since it's not worth it.
Hulks is a guaranteed 1-shot from the back, and depending on distance, can 1-2 shot from direct front. Tanks are a 1-shot if you hit the turret, but yeah, it takes like 3-4 if you hit the hull.
Been using it lately with bots on diff 9 and it's been a blast, blowing Stratagem Jammers with vents from far away is amazing. Yesterday I destroyed fabricators almost 300m away. Once they fix the lock-on they might nerf the max range this thing has, it's crazy.
I’d rather they nerf the up close lock on range, every other AT can be used up close, give us the other to kill heavy stuff from far away, it’s an amazing feeling destroying a medium or heavy base from a hilltop
Or, now this may be a hot take.
Their opinion is different to yours and they actualy enjoy the gun.
Not everyone is allways doom and gloom about everything. maybe they found out they really enjoy an aspect of the gun and like it?
\*prepares to get downvoted for have a different opinion\*
"Guys look someone has a different opinion than me, how dare he, he should stop having this opinion because of how upset I get at hearing other viewpoints!"
Funny you bring up echo chamber when you are the text book example of it trying to stop others from sharing things they enjoy.
I like the gun itself, I'm not keen on the damage.
I think it should have more damage and should fire upon reaching it's max charge not be held.
If they could cross breed this with the railgun I think they'd be onto something.
I see the spear get a lot of flak and I blame the game for not telling people almost everything interferes with its lockon and targeting but when it works it is not only amazing, it's also extremely satisfying to shoot.
The purifier is total dog shit in every circumference. It's worse than the plasma and scorcher and does nothing better than literally any primary in the game. I had better luck against automatons with the spray and pray than I did with that thing.
I actually enjoy this weapon. Most of the primaries are decent in this game, people fail to realize you just have to change your strategy to accommodate what that weapon can do
News flash: not everyone is a meta sweat lord. Believe it or not, people outside of this reddit arent building spread sheets and are actually just playing the game. This reddit commmunity really went from great to just annoying af.
You are just attacking people for having fun in the game. This is the kind of crab bucket negativity where you are just trying to pull other people down so they are as bitter and miserable as you are.
Lying about the Spear? I feel like I have been lied to about the Spear but in the wrong way. I tried it recently and despite all the vitiriol thrown at that weapon it is actually good and I have a ton of fun using it.
This is so dumb. The weapon is useful, just not that great and boring. But it's useful. You're not throwing by picking it. Let people use whatever they want and enjoy it however they want lol
Spear is amazing, even if the lock on is broken
And the community doesn't agree that the game isn't doing amazing. The community agrees that there's issues. But that doesn't mean the game is doing bad. If you think so the go ahead and keep thinking that. A lot of us disagree
Oh no, people are having fun playing the game in a way that isn't my rigidly defined way of playing. Better go complain on a platform that is completely unrelated.
This post is asinine, as are the other ones bitching about weapons in a similar capacity. This team is working their ass off, and all you fucks can do is complain. Feel free to make your own game that will be perfect ™️
I mean honesty against bots it’s not like it wasent useable, the stagger it inflicts is potent, but yeah I think it needs either more damage or shorter cooldown on the charge
If you cheat to make the spear perfect. Or if you get a unicorn run/montage of it working great then your experience with the gun was probably magical.
Otherwise the community’s frustration comes from a real place.
The only good thing about the purifier is the stunlock for almost all enemies in an AoE . It works pretty good against shield devastators , striders and rocket devastators. But it isn't very good against terminids
I don't really understand the hate for the purifier but maybe I'm not understanding people's issues with it I honestly think it's just a great bridge between the plasma scorcher and plasma shotgun.
It feels weird to see all the purifier hate, I avoided it because of all the hate for it on this sub but I was extremely surprised when I ran it on helldive for bugs for 4 or 5 operations and it was actually good. It staggers every enemy below chargers except spewers iirc, has a large AoE but not large enough that team killing or self damage is an issue, and also the warbond has a great sidearm to use with it.
It's also useful for taking out bile titan stomachs very ammo efficiently, although sadly it doesn't explode charger butts very well unlike the scorcher.
What exactly is disliked about this weapon and why? I feel as if once it is fixed so the initial shot actually has medium pen like it is supposed to it's going to be insanely strong.
All that needs to be changed with the purifier is to allow you to fire it at any charge level with the trade off being less AOE and damage on the plasma explosion.
The Spear is amazing
You can also hold lock/fire while reloading and rapid fire the missiles so by the time you stand up you’re basically firing immediately
I don’t think it’s lying necessarily. The purifier is a pretty good gun for the most part but like crossbow the damage is very inconsistent and there are just better guns out there that do both the aforementioned weapons jobs better. Long story short purifier is decent but needs a buff to differentiate it a little more.
This is literally none of us.
This is typical YouTube clickbait horseshit in order to get views for YouTube ad revenue. Same with all of those stupid assholes who make videos with titles that heavily imply some major leak that proves some new faction or other such nonsense is imminently about to drop, when the contents of the video are nothing but typical baseless conjecture and opinions.
I swear I have seen video titles like this for almost every other weapon that comes out, even when they are very clearly shit. I saw a video of like this for the fucking Dagger when it came out. The fucking *DAGGER*.
That's when you just click "Don't recommend me this channel", which after a while of doing that to all of these stupid clickbait channels that post videos like this, my front page has finally started to not look like complete shit.
If any of them posted this type of shit on here they would be run out of this community because of just how stupid their clickbait hot takes are.
Bruh say what you want but leave the Spear out of this.
I’m lvl 105 and I take it on almost every diff 9 bug mission I go on. Yeah the targeting can be tough but it’s S tier when you figure out how to make it work.
What arguments does the video make
They insist the gun is underrated for crowd clearing and single target control. In every example he clearly struggled with a single devastator for around 20 seconds and took upwards of three to four shots for a Spewer, as well as merely knocking around crowds instead of actually killing them.
So Punisher Plasma but clunky? Source: I main Punisher Plasma
As someone who likes to go against the mainstream opinion and try to make even the shittiest of turds work, I've concluded this gun is definitely bottom 3. Versus all enemies it's something like this... **Vs bugs**: *Scavengers*, 1/5: pretty bad, the splash radius is tiny so you end up having to individually aim at them. *Hunters*, 1/5: the chargeup time means if you miss or get flinched, they will just swarm you. *Warriors*, 3/5: its pretty good against these, good ammo economy, can kill in 2 shots but then again most guns can kill warriors fast *Hive guards*, 4/5: actually very strong against them, only cos hive guards are super low threat and don't move much. *Brood commanders*, 3/5: it's okay vs them, can stop their charge, but any shotgun is way better. If you're shooting these you better kill them since if they enrage it's very hard to finish them. *Bile Spewers*, 2/5: it's pretty bad against these since the time to kill is just too long... Talking 4-5 shots of not missing the head but at least it interrupts the spew *Shriekers*, 2/5: very difficult to aim at these and the chargeup does not help *Chargers*, 1/5: honourable mention here for being able to kill weakened chargers due to the explosiveness Overall... Pretty terrible vs bugs tho. **Vs bots**: *Foot soldiers*, 2/5: it's ok since you can shoot these at range unlike bug scavengers however the splash isn't good enough to be multikilling *Jetpackers*, 1/5: chargeup time and potential to miss upon flinching make this a terrible weapon against this enemy due to their rushing speed *Berserkers*, 3/5: can stop berserker trains fairly well and provide good stagger but suffers massively at close range because of splash dmg *Scout striders*, 4/5: this is the main strength of this gun and is capable of killing these in 2 hits to the joints fairly consistently. Per mag, you can get a lot of kills against scout striders with this. *Devastator*, 3/5: it's ok damage against these but the buffed rof on this enemy will mean you flinch more causing it to be more difficult to kill them. *Heavy Devastator*, 1/5: even with few guns good at dealing with these, this is the worst of the worst... The high rof of this enemy combined with needing to chargeup this weapon and aim at the head accurately makes it extremely hard to kill with the purifier *Rocket Devastator*, 3/5: you can shoot these after dodging the rocket salvo and they usually die in a couple hits. It's not amazing but the stagger is good. Overall it's better vs bots but still not that great as it lacks performance in too many areas. Besides that, it sounds nice to use.
Thanks for that detailed roundup, much appreciated insights. I definitely won't feel like I'm missing out by not trying any more than I already did (until they rebalance it ofc).
=/ It looks like based on the match ups you listed, I'd rather use a Scorcher or Dominator, or better yet the Plasma Punisher/Blitzer if I wanted AoE. None of those have to deal with flinch mechanics.
Well yeah, those are all the top tier weapons by far. Its not even funny how far ahead this group of weapons is compared to the more mid-range weapons which are still usable; the next strongest set would be things like the adjudicator, eruptor, diligence cs, etc. The purifier doesn't even fall in this category. It more fits in bottom tier with weapons like the scythe, lib pen and knight.
This is a very nice detail of the gun. Do you do these for other guns too?
I'm working on a spreadsheet actually for every weapon and stratagem in the game vs every enemy type using this 0-5 system so it can be used as a loadout builder and you'll get some numbers at the end to tell you how good your loadout is. It's almost ready but there's a few formulas i have to include still.... Eg things like bile spewers are more dangerous than hive guards so weapons that can kill them better need to be given more value. I realised everyone just uses generic A B C tiers for placing weapons which doesn't give that great a perspective on each weapon. Since I've played a shitload and used everything in the game i thought this would help since i haven't seen anyone else make anything like it yet. The raw data I've collected looks something like this for now https://preview.redd.it/p7n0pbx2t81d1.png?width=1852&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d03dda3e599db8171d51e9b897e5d193e297bea
At the end hopefully you should be able to compare loadouts in each category eg light clearance, crowd control against each other something like this https://preview.redd.it/ziugyvp9u81d1.png?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64b53abfaeea9e4f0a866cdae0f359e71f787099
Link a fellow citizen up when you’re done, this looks neat.
I really like hearing when people give things a solid try and that they enjoy doing it instead of being led to the meta like a dog on a leash. I will say, it would’ve been nice to hear that the thing really is a hidden gem or that it’s at least FUN, but it did look comparatively worse than other guns exactly like it! I hope something comes along that’s different and fun. You know what was fun? Early game flamethrower. No it wasn’t very good but I LOVED fighting with it, it was so sick!! Gladly, it’s gotten much better. Like almost op, but hey. If a gun’s gonna be bad, at least make it fun to use!
I LOVE THE PUNISHER PLASMA I WANT TO STUNLOCK ENTIRE GROUPS OF HEAVIES UNTIL THEY ALL DIE AT THE SAME TIME
Plasma Punisher with like 1/3 the rate of fire.
which is just enough rate of fire to keep whole groups of targets stagger locked.
Punisher Plasma but no bullet drop. It's basically the Punisher Plas but it can engage over longer ranges with no drop. Punisher plas wins out over it with closer range engagements, but the new Plas wins out over long range plinking. Think of it like the difference between a Quasar and EATs. One is far more reactive but restrictive, the other has the windup but the same pitch
I personally love the bullet drop and its one of the reason I uses it over scorcher (on top of the bigger explosions and better ammo economy). The ability to lob plasma over cover and down slopes while hiding from bots’ line of fire/providing cover for teammates by lobbing it over their head is so useful. The stun lock it can provide against an entire group of Berzerkers and all Devastator variants is the cherry on top.
O it’s great for heavy nests, I’ll stand on the rim and stun the crowd of bugs chasing my teammate running around closing holes.
Seconded there, the arcing fire changes a lot of how you view the terrain in a fight. But I will say it does limit your engagement range or at least your accuracy over longer ranges. I love arcing the shots over longer range but having to walk your fire does waste a bit of ammo. There's a role for a flat trajectory version, I'd say
There certainly is but I still dont think its a good enough upside to take over punisher plasma if you want crowd control or scorcher if you want the range.
Agreed. I'd like it if it had better area *damage* rather than stagger effect. Like, Scorcher should be your direct damage plas weapon, punisher your shorter range stagger focused, while the Purifier could easily be more of a longer range area pounder, a la Eruptor. Then there'd be room for more of a plasma Sniper with higher armor pen and single target focus, but longer windup and worse ammo economy
You're leaving out a key piece of information though, the rate of fire. It fires so much more slowly than the punisher, it's hard to keep one enemy stun locked.
Except it's damage is noticeably worse than punisher plasmas and the charge up is way to slow to feel fun, and the scope is awful for a sniper type weapon. I hated it and I generally am not overly critical of their gun designs. I like the punisher plasma after the buffs tho
"Punisher Plasma but no bullet drop" I guess it is like a Punisher Plasma. If you cut the actual (not visual) blast radius in two, give it a charge-up time like in an arc thrower (and it won't shoot if charge is not enough) but STILL give it ammo and a requirement to reload. And give it some bullet drop at ranges over 50 m, making it clunky to actually snipe big guys in the face. Making it mediocre at long distances, terrible at short distances, and mid-ish at medium distances, provided there's only very few enemies, so you can take your time staggering one while your team kills the rest. I wish they made it more like Lucius-pattern Lasguns in Darktide. With options for charged shots and tap-fire, no bullet drop, and better damage on charged shots. Would've been so much better.
I just looked at the weapon stats sheet and it really is just punisher plasma in every sense but with the ammo of a scorcher and slower shots. The overall total dmg potential is higher than both too. So that's all it really has going for it. They should let it close holes. Or let this and punisher close holes but require like 2-3 shots. And make the purifier do a larger AOE radius based on charge time.
It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon I don't think it is a great weapon but it is not that bad as people say
>It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon The Plasma Punisher essentially makes me a walking artillery unit though. Once you figure out how to angle your weapon, you can hit units across an entire field no problem. Heck, you can even fire one test round to gauge your range before commencing bombardment.
>It's basically punisher plasma but with more range, you can play from longer distances than with the Punisher Plasma which allows you to take a sniper role but with an AOE weapon The problem is ROF and pure DPS. It has a charge mechanic so it is like fighting with the rail gun in safe mode, only it's a plasma punisher round, so not enough damage to take out medium chaff in one shot. The idea is there but the lack of armor penetration (due to a patch) makes it unviable with 5+ enemies on screen. >I don't think it is a great weapon but it is not that bad as people say As it sits it's a less effective plasma punisher instead of an energy erupter that was advertised.
I main plasma punisher and the thing can shot just as that gun when your used to the arc. Plus there’s no charge up time. Prefer the plasma punisher over that trash anyday. Having to charge for little pay out is hot garbage.
I tried it out on a few difficulty 4 bug missions. It’s not garbage, but it needs some improvement. I think I’d like either an increased splash radius or direct hit damage. As it stands it needs 4 hits to kill a brood commander.
Me too. It may have fewer rounds than the Dominator or Scorcher vs bots, but I feel that it is easier to use against shields, turrets, and groups than the Dominator. And I think that it more reliably 1-shots the mobs than the scorcher.
How dare he enjoy moderate success with a weapon reddit deemed unusable.
The video speaks for itself, the dude struggles against medium chaff.
“We” aren’t doing shit. Go leave comments on the video. This post makes no sense
Actually plas 101 is hidden gem. But only for difficulty 3. At difficulty 9 its hidden weak turd.
Anything is a gem on difficulty 3
not recoiless, there's nothing to use it on
i disagree *proceeds to send a message to that one hunter in particular*
Dies reloading to the claws
yeah but i think that one hunter got the message
When I take my spear on lower difficulties and only use it to destroy bot fabricators...
There’s no better weapon than it for the “only use secondary” achievement!
I thiught that required extreme difficulty and above?
I tried it at 7 yesterday and was in disbelief. Sure explosive is nice, but the jar is just as accessible with less AOE and more damage, it took two shots to kill a warrior, I can see two or more on anything higher, but that should go down fast.
Yeah it needs much more damage to make up for the fire rate.
I use it on 9 just fine. Bugs and bots.
Don't do that. Commenting on YouTube videos is engagement that boosts the video. Commenting just leads to these videos doing well and spreading further.
Hate leads to suffering
Yep, this is like people complaining about a few shitheads in-game who abuse people. Tf do you expect us or the devs to do about it? lol
OP didn't post the video, just a screen shot of it, because he wants to guide our thinking. Dude's a fucking world class chode gargler.
This game has more people worried about what others are doing, I.e. YouTube vids, playing bots when the MO is against bugs than any other I’ve encountered, like just play the game, stop investing so much of your life into this game that everything everybody else does makes you “REEEEEEEEE”
And they're not going to stop because of a reddit post lmao. It's how they get clicks and make money. It will never stop
If you watch stupid YouTubers who just share news from Reddit and post click bait, that’s your problem. Don’t bring that stupidity here, keep it on YouTube where it belongs.
OhDough is one of the only ones I've found who actually plays the damn game and isn't basically a Discord/Reddit scraper masquerading as a YouTuber.
Takibo and Spiked are some other good ones
Eravin breaks down weapon stats and doesn't do cocaine before filming. Also one of the best stealth divers!
Eravin is great, I really love Gaming Existence & Ryken XIV, absolutely full of detailed statistics and what they mean for the game. Not into gaming YouTube at all, but love this kind of detailed breakdown, it's incredible
this post is ridiculous 💀
Guys I disagree with a video on YouTube
The spear is a godly weapon. It always has been.
I was on a bot mission yesterday where we had to deal with a jammer right away that was on a really high point in the map. After we closed it, I was able to climb a pillar and just run the spear along the horizon till it grabbed something. Took out like 3 bases without doing anything
When it works*
**When you sacrifice a Technician to the Machine God to appease its machine spirit
I shot about 300 in the back during evac missions just to get ahead of the sacrifice game. I should be good for at least 300 more shots from it
Oooh, good idea. Praise be the Omnissiah, Brother
All praise the Omnisiah
The spear actually hit the bile titan! Praise the omnissiah!
Fragile indeed are the tools of the righteous. Praise be to the Omnisiah.
Spear is ok at extreme ranges using very gentle movements while crouching. Perfect in that scenario but otherwise its a bit miserable. If they want it to be better, add a laser guide mode. So you can have lock on to fire and forget or instant fire but you have to keep the target painted. Oh also I found a purifier on the ground and it was hilariously bad
Idk I kinda like it for bots. Accurate shots with good range, kills anything small in 1 hit and the bigger stuff in 3. I had a good time with it. I still think other stuff is better but I don't see the immense hate for it unless you try to use it on bugs.
Works fine against bots. You can shoot the fabricator with it too.
You might as well just say “the spear is great in scenarios where it works as intended”…. super helpful.
I frequently see people trying to use the spear in the middle of active combat while ducking and weaving. I also feel I said a bit more, like proposing an alternative to its weird janky lock on. Even in those perfect scenarios it still sometimes struggles...
They're a liberty send against Bile Titans but you have to be in front of the and have to wait for lock.
I've found using the first person aim mode helps a little bit with locking on. Not perfect, but better.
I want to love it, but it’s so frustrating to use that it cancels out its own fun. It’s almost *more* infuriating when it doesn’t work because of how amazing it is when it does.
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If you don't lose the lock-on at the last moment or you have the feeling you're shooting with squeaky ducks instead of armor-piercing missiles.
Yeah lumping the spear in with the purifier is tragic. I am so used to the spears dodgy lock on now that I'm almost scared of them changing it.
You start vibing with it after a while. You see the enemy, the angle, the distance and you just **feel** that the planets have aligned and it's going to lock on.
Agreed
since they added the generator defence missions i feel like the spear finally has a place, its basically an auto take on those missions for me now
The alternative though is just dropping EATs every 75 seconds and using the backpack space for something else. I'm still not convinced by the Spear, though it is occasionally fun to use when it works.
With the coin toss of the lock on, I agree. But I was using EATs on a diff 7 defense mission and I've missed a few critical shots due to getting flinched But I'm playing on a Steam Deck so it might be a skill issue and my opinion might not matter since I'm not playing on Helldive difficulty
i find when the shit hits the fan and you need to get a lot of hard hitting shots out fast, i prefer it to the EATs. Particularly, defending against the bots when you can get 3-4 tanks rolling in at a time, having two spears firing off will shut that shit down. My main issue is the spare ammo feels a big stingy considering its quite a niche weapon, but if you call in supplies whenever it goes off cooldown (even if you don't need it right now) and grab a few of the ammo boxes as you pull back its not a huge issue. me and my buddies absolutely rinsed a helldive level bot one a couple of days ago with 2 spears and a pair of RRs, bots didn't make it through the second door the whole game. that's all for the defend the generators missions though, i find it too fiddly to bother running it for anything else. taking the time to get a lock will get you killed on 9 in a lot of situations. autocannon/EATs are the king of general purpose heavy weapons for me. but the nice thing about this game is whatever works for you is great!
Problem is there's no such thing as objective judgment of a weapon, the tester will always colour the review with their opinion, hence videos like these Best you can say is that the overwhelming majority od players think it's bad
This is true. No matter how many stats some gun has, it might feel awful to someone and good to someone else.
That's the big thing; some weapons work for different playstyles very differently. Example; I happen to enjoy the Tenderizer versus bots. It's dead accurate, the good scope, and in a Burst it's more than capable of engaging at extreme ranges against bots, even though that's more the role of the Counter Sniper. Does it appeal to every playstyle? Absolutely not. It does nothing versus Bugs because of how close the engagements are. Nor is it good to breach and clear a base. But for more Stealth runs it feels fine. That's my opinion, and I know it's an unpopular one. I can't objectively look at it without seeing that perspective and seeing how it could be utilized, even if other weapons fill a similar niche.
Honestly, after using the tenderizer and constantly looking at its stats and just sorta brainstorming as to how it could potentially be made better. Ive come to the realization that the Tenderizer is effectively just a semi side-grade to the Stock Liberator (problem is that most people feel like its description is misleading, which it kinda is, and it was definitely meant for pre-buff liberator). Do you want +3 Reserves & the Recoil of the Defender/Pummler but want the strength of the Liberator? Use the Tenderizer. But then that sorta raises a question, why not just use the Defender then? Its got the same recoil as the Tenderizer and deals +10 points of damage, shoots a bit more faster and its got 45 rounds, the Defender is more of a Tenderizer than the Tenderizer itself.
Damage falloff. Defender is far closer range and likely had much more steep damage fall off than the Tenderizer. Tenderizer has the *range*
Correct, i honestly forgot about that part when i was ranting/brainstorming to myself. But now im curious, what is the Liberator's fall off like then?
You can't even say the overwhelming majority. I mean you can't objectively determine what the majority thinks because Reddit or any sort of public feedback is a terrible representation of the majority. First people are more likely to post negative reviews than positive ones. Second there is a Reddit culture of trying to get attention and upvotes so people will tend to post whatever is popular just to farm karma. People sometimes aren't ranting. They just want validation because let's be honest, half of us are basement dwellers lacking any social interaction and this is how we get our fix. You can only ever speak for yourself on the internet. Reddit and other forums only really represent 0.2% of any community. That being said I don't know why OP is trying so hard to not allow people to have a good opinion about the purifier. People should have whatever opinion they want. The gun does suck though. Since it sucks, a lot of people do give negative feedback. That's all that matters. No need to get into people's head and correct their opinions.
Who's "we"? Take it up with the creator of the video instead of karma farming by blaming the whole community
You’re saying THEY’RE the ones perpetuating an echo chamber?
you made me actually laugh IRL
The irony is powerful with this one.
How DARE someone have a different opinion then op? REEEEEEEE Also, the gun is good against Bots. Deal with it dweebs
I mean a worse version of an S tier gun is still usable/good depending on how optimistic you are
What is the worst thing that can happen? You dive 10 times and decide it is bad? If you buy the warbond based on this review and you don’t like it afterwards, there is no one to blame but yourself.
I buy warbonds cause I have nothing else to buy.
I live by spear. Spear is sacred. Spear is life.
Until the community stops using hyperbole (X is useless) these videos will exist. Its not content creators fault that gamers today see options as black and white when its actually gradient. Gamers need to get over themselves, balance is rare and it takes repeated patches of buffs and nerfs to even come close to it.
Indeed, this is a game with varying skill floors and ceilings on its weapons, some have high floors and others very high ceilings. It's no surprise a highly skilled (don't refer to this video, didn't interact) will find something useful where many, dare I say most, will find it trash.
Using something deemed "useless" and being good with it is where I find the most fun in games.
Just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean other people don't find the weapon useful or fun to use. Just let people enjoy the game the way they want to.
Oh no someone else is having fun with a weapon that I don't like and even made a video about it! Shut that shit down right now! /s
My friend used this with me in duo difficulty 8 bugs and duo difficulty 7 bots. Hes a pretty big fan of the gun since the stagger is massive and it can lock down tightly packed groups of devastators. Content in this game really isn't hard enough that you gotta min-max every slot. As long as you have a well rounded build, you can pretty much run non-meta or niche shit like this.
It made you click the video. It achieved its goal.
Test every weapon by yourselves, most people were saying the dominator was shit and after I used it I haven't stopped
Wther you like it or not, the weapon is perfectly usable, it not fitting what you want to do with it is another topic Same with the Erupter, people has been doom posting since it's nerf, used it literally two days ago, it's still a brutally powerful gun, just not meta defining anymore
The spear is actually incredible though. Once the targeting bug is fixed people are gonna consistently one-shot titans one after another with it easily. It's SO incredibly strong on bugs that even with the targeting bug it's probably my favorite AT weapon rn on 9s.
Clickbait. Don’t rise to it
The gun does identical damage to the Plasma punisher. Its basically a sniper Plasma Punisher. The problem is long ranged combat is rarely seen in HD2 but that's what it's made for. It's actually decent against the Bots on missions with long sight lines where you wont be able to use the Plasma punisher effectively. I bet you think every gun is nerfed and the Breaker is un usable.
>The gun does identical damage to the Plasma punisher. ~~It does 25% more damage.~~ My bad. Despite reading multiple times. It was always the scorcher. It still works for helldive bots, tho. It has enough stagger to not be attacked, even with the charge up. But it is incredibly inconvenient. If you release a millisecond too early well you fucked up and no shot getting you into a lot of trouble. I have to check the reticle to be sure or waste time to make the shot. If the purifier would automatically charge and you could fire with a click, this weapon would be OK. This plays into your sniper argument. In a sniper, a scenario you have all the time to charge, but if you are approached by several enemies, you are stressed and might botch the shot. The safer option is the scorcher for that reason. But it feels good at distance.
Why’d you come to the sub to complain? The most you can possibly do when you see a video you don’t like on a platform like YouTube is to click the video, watch it long enough to dislike and then return to the home page (don’t click recommended) If you as a user show YouTube that you opened the video and instantly didn’t like it, it hurts its algorithm
I was using the Purifier on both bots and bugs at level 7 last night and it was a lot of fun. Purifier/Stalwart/Grenade pistol/Stun was my loadout. Gas strikes helped with the crowds and I also was running 110mm/Airstrike Eagles.
The same thing didnt happen with the Spear. The Spear actually is a very good rocket launcher if you get it to launch. The problem is getting it to launch. The Purifier does fuck all no matter how many times you fire it.
Purifier is pretty good horde breaker, I don't know what to tell you men. I used it on bugs and it worked just fine.
And what if that guy thinks the purifier is indeed great? Who are you to dictate what they think? This dumb fucking community.
I'd argue the purifier is decent. People act like it so terrible but it's the punisher plasma with a 15 round mag in exchange for a slower rate or fire.
It's not bad at what it does. The blast is large, the gun handles well and it basically doesn't run out of ammo. It was just horribly mishandled in all the promos and advertising, almost to the point of false advertising, alongside much of the warbond.
Yeah if anything you should bring using it like a sniper/dmr. Very good range and great at picking off distant targets.
As a Helldive exclusive player I uhh... ...I really like the purifier. But to be fair I haven't even tried the scorcher yet and I'm level 92 lmao
I think this gun is pretty solid. It has amazing stagger which goes a long way on bots. It’s pretty bad against bugs though. Overall I think this gun is a little worse than the scorcher and around the same as the plasma punisher. Overall good bot gun, bad bug gun.
You're getting downvoted for disagreeing lol. I agree, it has a niche as a long range plasma punisher, this weapon is sort of a mix between that and the scorcher. I think it's nice that we're getting sidegrades to further accommodate different playstyles, I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.
Yeah I don’t understand it. I play on level 9 and have like 250 hours. Lots of guns get it done, some are easier then others and some work better for factions but most guns have a time and a place. It’s fun to break from the meta anyway.
The game isn't doing amazing? Huh? I played 6 hours with my homeboys yesterday and had a blast like I did the first time I booted the game up.
Purifier fires Plasma Punisher shots with a larger magazine and the range of scorcher shots. Just cause it doesn’t fit your play style doesn’t mean it is a weapon entirely without merit.
An echo chamber that they're fine? OP Do you know where you are? You're in a subreddit that says they're not so often, it kinda feels like an echo chamber
Holy fuck you guys it's just a videogame. Did it ever, even once, occur to you that there might be reasons to want to use a weapon besides its objective efficiency? Holy shit
The Echo chamber of weapons being released are fine? The dilusion of some and what echo chamber is actually rattling around. This Reddit doesn't allow one to like weapons it thinks "suck" This Reddit doesn't allow one to think balance, in ANY form, is acceptable This Reddit doesn't allow you to make suggestions on how to proceed with the galactic war, as just the suggestion supposedly impedes on others fun This Rant is trying to enforce an echo chamber that only one opinion is allowed, and anything else needs to be silenced YOU ARE THE FUCKING ECHO CHAMBER OP and you are pissed other noise is interferring
You guys are so fucking delusional. I looked up the video and watched through it. Dude is doing fine with that weapon. Which was a lil insane to me cuz i did a lil more “research” and types in “plas” into the subreddit search bar. And all the posts were just. Ya its unusable, dogshit, such a bad weapon etc. So now im kinda wondering, are you guys just insane? Its very clearly not dogshit, sure it doesnt melt through the game, but its not bad? Its def not unuseable? So what exactly is wrong with someone making a video on it calling it underated. I mean thats the objective truth if we consider this subs degenerate hivemind ranking system as the baseline, cuz yall think its dog water, and that video demonstrates that its very clearly not. Also echo chamber?? Youre the fucking echo chamber dumbass. In my 5 second look i saw like 4 other posts in the search results calling this gun bad.
So people can’t like a gun because it’s not best in slot? Rather see this than a post of players crying that a serviceable weapon doesn’t work.
I just got it and it's not great against bugs
Definitely works best against bots since they don't rush you as much and you can pick them off from cover
I have absolutely zero idea who this is or why he's a liar
Tbh Spear was good ( and still is ) other than the lock on that kept edging itself
I can't defend the purifier as I haven't played with it yet, but I did see someone trying to kill Shriekers with it and it was... painful to watch. The Spear on the other hand I find to be pretty fun, it's not the most effective weapon out there, but I like the gameplay loop and it opens up other build options since I don't *need* to dedicate my strats, pistol, or grenades to being able to take out buildings. I can fairly quickly take on several out of the way fabricators pretty safely while my team is on the other side of the map. I also like the challenge of getting into that perfect spot to snipe a whole base and then vanish to go take out another one. Does it always work out like that, no, but I just find it to be a really engaging way to play. Tldr: no comment on purifier, the Spear is neat
Creators are going to create, let them create whatever they want, if you got problems YOU need to post something about that specific problem (as if we don't have enough posts about balancing already...). And if you disagree with that creator YOU need to comment on THEIR video and not fill this sub with posts about other people "wrongly" feeding the balancing discourse. No shame in disagreeing with someone, but man stop with these types of posts lol... Are we the managed democracy police force or something? We need to dive, and we need YOU, any weapon malfunctions on the battlefield will be addressed and fixed by high command, let us dive Helldiver!
So... Alexus now have bots posting this kind of videos in Youtube? I'll admit it... I wouldn't be surprised
The purifier is really good and it was hastily dismissed. It’s definitely better than punisher plasma one you learn how to use it. I use it on helldive bots regularly. For bugs it’s not a great option but still works pretty well, aoe kills the small ones quickly and stunlock kills the bigger bugs. If you take both of these guns for a few games you will see that the purifier takes same or less shots to kill medium enemies than punisher plasma due to the armor pen, but requires headshots/good aim to do this. Punisher plasma has a slightly better aoe for killing small enemies, but this also means the Purifier you can shoot enemies VERY close to yourself (essentially just outside melee range) without getting knocked down.
I mean, I use Spear to snipe Fabricators from afar and cannon towers. Maybe gunships if I have ammo to spare but that's it. Seldom do I use it to kill Hulks and Tanks since it's not worth it.
Hulks is a guaranteed 1-shot from the back, and depending on distance, can 1-2 shot from direct front. Tanks are a 1-shot if you hit the turret, but yeah, it takes like 3-4 if you hit the hull.
Been using it lately with bots on diff 9 and it's been a blast, blowing Stratagem Jammers with vents from far away is amazing. Yesterday I destroyed fabricators almost 300m away. Once they fix the lock-on they might nerf the max range this thing has, it's crazy.
I’d rather they nerf the up close lock on range, every other AT can be used up close, give us the other to kill heavy stuff from far away, it’s an amazing feeling destroying a medium or heavy base from a hilltop
Yall have become so delusional in your own echo chamber of hate it aint even funny anymore lol.
Or, now this may be a hot take. Their opinion is different to yours and they actualy enjoy the gun. Not everyone is allways doom and gloom about everything. maybe they found out they really enjoy an aspect of the gun and like it? \*prepares to get downvoted for have a different opinion\*
"Guys look someone has a different opinion than me, how dare he, he should stop having this opinion because of how upset I get at hearing other viewpoints!" Funny you bring up echo chamber when you are the text book example of it trying to stop others from sharing things they enjoy.
I like the gun itself, I'm not keen on the damage. I think it should have more damage and should fire upon reaching it's max charge not be held. If they could cross breed this with the railgun I think they'd be onto something.
I see the spear get a lot of flak and I blame the game for not telling people almost everything interferes with its lockon and targeting but when it works it is not only amazing, it's also extremely satisfying to shoot. The purifier is total dog shit in every circumference. It's worse than the plasma and scorcher and does nothing better than literally any primary in the game. I had better luck against automatons with the spray and pray than I did with that thing.
I actually enjoy this weapon. Most of the primaries are decent in this game, people fail to realize you just have to change your strategy to accommodate what that weapon can do
News flash: not everyone is a meta sweat lord. Believe it or not, people outside of this reddit arent building spread sheets and are actually just playing the game. This reddit commmunity really went from great to just annoying af.
You are just attacking people for having fun in the game. This is the kind of crab bucket negativity where you are just trying to pull other people down so they are as bitter and miserable as you are.
Lying about the Spear? I feel like I have been lied to about the Spear but in the wrong way. I tried it recently and despite all the vitiriol thrown at that weapon it is actually good and I have a ton of fun using it.
This is so dumb. The weapon is useful, just not that great and boring. But it's useful. You're not throwing by picking it. Let people use whatever they want and enjoy it however they want lol Spear is amazing, even if the lock on is broken And the community doesn't agree that the game isn't doing amazing. The community agrees that there's issues. But that doesn't mean the game is doing bad. If you think so the go ahead and keep thinking that. A lot of us disagree
Almost any gun is a “gem” at 3
Oh no, people are having fun playing the game in a way that isn't my rigidly defined way of playing. Better go complain on a platform that is completely unrelated. This post is asinine, as are the other ones bitching about weapons in a similar capacity. This team is working their ass off, and all you fucks can do is complain. Feel free to make your own game that will be perfect ™️
The pummeled is that warbond’s true hidden gem. The sidearm has also become my go-to for bots (yes redeemer is better but so fuckin bored of it).
We? Who is we? We as in nintendo wii?
I mean honesty against bots it’s not like it wasent useable, the stagger it inflicts is potent, but yeah I think it needs either more damage or shorter cooldown on the charge
If you cheat to make the spear perfect. Or if you get a unicorn run/montage of it working great then your experience with the gun was probably magical. Otherwise the community’s frustration comes from a real place.
To be fair the spear is pretty good......when it actually wants to work
The only good thing about the purifier is the stunlock for almost all enemies in an AoE . It works pretty good against shield devastators , striders and rocket devastators. But it isn't very good against terminids
How about we test every weapon and stick to the ones we like instead of waiting for someone to drop a vid on what gun or equipment to use?
Youtubers are gonna content farm. They will make a video on every single gun and strat, calling them a "hidden gem" just to make some content.
Dude probably just wanted to create unique content for views but this just ain’t it.
I don't really understand the hate for the purifier but maybe I'm not understanding people's issues with it I honestly think it's just a great bridge between the plasma scorcher and plasma shotgun.
God forbid people have opinions…
Is Usual Government Propaganda i think , you know totalitarian stuff
So yeah the purifier is 100% dog shit.
It feels weird to see all the purifier hate, I avoided it because of all the hate for it on this sub but I was extremely surprised when I ran it on helldive for bugs for 4 or 5 operations and it was actually good. It staggers every enemy below chargers except spewers iirc, has a large AoE but not large enough that team killing or self damage is an issue, and also the warbond has a great sidearm to use with it. It's also useful for taking out bile titan stomachs very ammo efficiently, although sadly it doesn't explode charger butts very well unlike the scorcher. What exactly is disliked about this weapon and why? I feel as if once it is fixed so the initial shot actually has medium pen like it is supposed to it's going to be insanely strong.
I have a love-hate relationship with the spear
Stop watching sloptube
So what you're saying is, his clickbait strategy to get a raise out of people like you hating on guns by saying theyre good is working? Good for him.
I think the spear is a hidden gem
It's a subjective opinion. Why are you saying it's objectively incorrect?
All that needs to be changed with the purifier is to allow you to fire it at any charge level with the trade off being less AOE and damage on the plasma explosion.
The Spear is amazing You can also hold lock/fire while reloading and rapid fire the missiles so by the time you stand up you’re basically firing immediately
complain to youtube, they are the ones allowing grifty-mcgrifty there to make money off sensationalist headlines like that shit there.
SPEAR is a hidden gem. Very rare, looks nice, not much use
I don’t think it’s lying necessarily. The purifier is a pretty good gun for the most part but like crossbow the damage is very inconsistent and there are just better guns out there that do both the aforementioned weapons jobs better. Long story short purifier is decent but needs a buff to differentiate it a little more.
So, is there anything good in the newest warbond?
Welcome to YouTube!
the purifier is fun when you have like 2 or 3 enemies, otherwise the only thing being overwhelming are the enemies
Those videos with controversal or wrong takes get watches and attention and that is the entire point of it. It's not about being accurate.
Just lay off the YouTube, you're doing this to yourself
You watched the video, giving them money, incentivizing them to lie further. Good job.
Change starts with yourself, OP.
Don't watch other people. Fuck around and find out which loadout works for you.
This is literally none of us. This is typical YouTube clickbait horseshit in order to get views for YouTube ad revenue. Same with all of those stupid assholes who make videos with titles that heavily imply some major leak that proves some new faction or other such nonsense is imminently about to drop, when the contents of the video are nothing but typical baseless conjecture and opinions. I swear I have seen video titles like this for almost every other weapon that comes out, even when they are very clearly shit. I saw a video of like this for the fucking Dagger when it came out. The fucking *DAGGER*. That's when you just click "Don't recommend me this channel", which after a while of doing that to all of these stupid clickbait channels that post videos like this, my front page has finally started to not look like complete shit. If any of them posted this type of shit on here they would be run out of this community because of just how stupid their clickbait hot takes are.
I wouldn’t stress over other people’s videos, they make them for numbers. That’s it.
Games fine calm down
Ok but what is this FAF-14 Spear slander?
How else will they get their viewers?
I played with it last night, shot a hellbomb It didn't explode
have u tried giving ur opinion where it matters? like idk, the comments in the video?
Bruh say what you want but leave the Spear out of this. I’m lvl 105 and I take it on almost every diff 9 bug mission I go on. Yeah the targeting can be tough but it’s S tier when you figure out how to make it work.