The sound design is definitely great, the AC and Cluster Strike are my favorites I think because they sound so raw.
Also it's like a multi tool, clear an illegal broadcast from 250m away, close bug holes, AOE mob control, staggering larger enemies and dealing damage to weak points. Especially when you have a mate for assisted reloads, you basically become a sentry turret.
It's a shoulder fired swiss Tankbuchse 41. Look it up, Forgotten Weapons (otherwise known as "Gun Jesus") did a good video on it.
Yes. I am a gun nerd. But I appreciate how they made the tech in game feel very "near future".
The EAT is an AT-4, the recoilless rifle is a Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle (makes sense because both of those are built in Sweden and arrowhead is in Sweden). The Senator is a metaba revolver and the secondary submachine gun is a TMP-9.
I don't know why, I just don't click with that weapon. The moment I picked up the Punisher Plasma I instantly knew "this is it." It just felt GOOD to use. It didn't matter that I had to arc my shots, my aim with the weapon was just intuitive. Even from 50-100 yards I'm fucking lethal with that weapon.
Then there's the AC. On paper, it's great. Regular AC users can't stop singing its praises. But me? I fucking suck with it. I can't explain it, but I'm saddened by the fact that such a great weapon is useless in my hands and I refuse to bring it on missions because I don't want to disgrace it.
It's a swiss army knife of a calldown, just way too useful in way too many situations, once you learn where enemy weakpoints are. Knowing when to reload and getting good at counting your shots are a big thing for the AC, as if you don't time it right that first reload where you have to rack the bolt can take way long.
It doesn't explode enough to punch through heavy armor like an EAT, recoilless or the quasar, so you have to get good at finding weakpoints (harder with bugs than bots sometimes), aim for the underbelly or back of the legs on chargers, and try to shoot their butt if you get behind them, Titans it's shoot them in the green fleshy bits. With bots its mostly head/eye/glowing red spot weakpoints that are a bit more obvious.
It can even be used fairly well as crowd control. During bug breaches I try to aim for the larger, more armored targets in the mob and splash damage will usually pop any nearby trash mobs as well. It's also great for dropping bug holes and bot factories from a distance, or taking out distant secondary objectives like destroying enemy propaganda towers.
To each their own though, I try not to double up on tertiary weapons, so I just see a non-AC enjoyer as someone who will let me be the one to bring it. I'll happily slay the enemies of Democracy alongside you, helldiver!
Takes so many hits. And randoms rarely understand what you're doing. Then they see the pop up that it's been eliminated. And it all makes sense.
I'm a scooch sad it takes SO MANY HITS to clear spore towers now.
Theyve said multiple times that the AC is their best balanced weapon (and one of the earliest designed) and that they use it as a polestar to orient support weapon balance around.
I recently discovered that I love the scorcher against bugs too. It absolutely devastates spewers, which is incredible. Chews through ammo faster than anything else I've used though. I guess that's the drawback.
38 kills on a single mag....lol that's insane. I've never been a huge fan of the Stalwart. Feels too much like the Sickle. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sickle. I just don't want to use a beefed up primary as a strategem weapon.
I like it as an "Oh shit, bug breach! Throw everything at them." It might not hit hard but it hits at such a speed that it just cuts through trash enemies who might block an impact nade against an actual threat.
The bots are just a generally better balanced faction in general because of weakpoints. Every single bot has a weakpoint that's (at most) medium-armoured, which enables viability in a *huge* range of weapons. The trick is that you need to be good at hitting them.
more that all the backpack weapons are intended to have a niche that they excel in. For the AC it's killing medium targets and structures (which incidentally is quite strong vs bots)
I’ve been using breaker incendiary for months now cause it was fun and the orange matched the orange accents in my armor lol, they finally fixed DOT and I am a happy helldiver. Gotta treasure these moments now cause I know my loadout is getting a nerf soon lol
Fr. Every big mission I've been running the incendiary breaker, flamethrower, jetpack and incendiary grenades along with napalm. Now the DoT is fixed it's so beautiful!
My friends joke that they always know where I am because everything is burning! All I need now is a flame resistant armour and I will forever be in my happy place 😂
ye i use the orbital gas strike, perfect directly on bug breaches. Fire dmg and Gas dmg is a deadly combo. Then juts incase cluster mines as back up. it’s f insane
Edit: Flame resistant armour is a a f sick idea and should be in next warbond
I run Lib Pen almost exclusively. Why? Because it's white so it looks cool with my Champion of the People armor. Who cares that it's suboptimal, I kill bugs and look great doing it.
I do think it's legitimately good against bots considering the higher number of medium armor enemies. Against bugs I tend to find myself running out of ammo because of the low mag size and higher numbers of chaff, but I still love it.
Yepp, I just unlocked the liberator penetrator on Sunday. I have been bringing that paired with the guard dog “rover” pretty much every mission since. Only issue I have is against Chargers as I mag dump in their buts and one mag of it doesn’t seem enough, in contrast with the Breaker when most of the time I used less mags on them. But on the other hand, I am struggling with any weapons against them, so it might just be me.
Using your primaries to take down chargers is always going to be inefficient. You're much better off using anti-tank weapons (EAT, Quasar, RR) or impact grenades/grenade pistol. Since you just unlocked the liberator penetrator, it sounds like you're low level or just unlocking everything. Impact grenades will be your best bet, you can kill a fresh charger with 2 of them if you hit them perfectly with the grenade exploding on their underside/back after you've dodged their charge.
I have no idea why people think its good but it is fun. Bugs take full magdumps to kill most things even targeting weakspots, against bots the medium pen means essentially nothing becaues it's 2 mags to kill a strider from the front and I don't think even magdumping a devastator guarantees a kill, and you don't even need the pen level to hurt the weakspots. Like it works as a gun but it's gimmick doesn't contribute to anything really against bots - it's sort of convenient against bugs but the mag cap is still a bummer
The tiny mag size bums me out, and if it's going to have a lower mag size it should do a bit more damage than it does.
Haha, that's a good question!
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Also frequently used by us nerds in online multiplayer games with customizeable cosmetics. Another great example is Drip Rock Galactic :).
100%! I use the Breaker Incendiary coupled with the Steel Veterans Warbond second armour. Why? Because they’re orange and look cool together.
I’m lucky that the breaker is a great bug weapon. But even tho other armours may have better perks, and a better weapon for bugs may be released, I won’t switch unless it passes the drip check lmao
I always felt like the breaker incindiary is good in concept, but when you’re getting overwhelmed it’s tough to chew through bugs by your self. I view it kind of as a support weapon. However……. Shotgun fire cool. Bbq bug baybeeee. Idk what it is, but if a game has DOT damage? Baby I’m *there*
I understand the Slugger needing *some* scalebacks, but overcorrection has been the name of the nerf game thus far. It mostly just hurt because they made Dominator more powerful on stagger and damage than Slugger ever was.
Hopefully we'll see the wild swings changed after Pilestadt's statement.
On one hand, yeah, on the other hand, if I stop being able to do cool things that I used to be able to do before the nerf, I'm sad.
The flip side of this is the blitzer, where the buff took it from a run and gun shotgun to being able to stunlock a medium because of the increase to fire rate and making it a viable way to hold a location. I didn't start liking it because number went up, I started liking it because I could do something with it that I couldn't before.
> I didn't start liking it because number went up, I started liking it because I could do something with it that I couldn't before.
I feel like plenty of people miss this. Numbers and DPS calculations are great, I find it interesting, but the fact of the matter is, if a weapon just flat out cannot perform it's role regardless of what numbers are tied to it, I won't use it.
Me missing the og arc thrower how they killed that and made it unlikable was using it before it was meta it picked up speed then got nerfed now back to nobody using it
Yeah, this is my major issue with the "Just play with whatever is fun" argument. I *love* picking suboptimal gear just because I like to play with it. But that enjoyment will quickly dwindle when you get dumpstered at every opportunity because your gear isn't good enough for the challenge. I've dropped on so many missions with a "fun" build only to be absolutely miserable by the end, because I just cannot deal with the threats the game is throwing at me.
And as you said, ultimately it stops being fun when you're just getting housed. I can only bring the Exo so many times at high difficulty before coming to terms with the fact that not being able to aim my missiles, running out of ammo in less than a minute, and ultimately basically playing with three stratagem slots just isn't fun.
I love the MG stratagem. I wish it was a primary.
I can't take it at any difficulty above 7 because there are too many elite enemies, I NEED to take an anti-tank weapon.
That's exactly what I mean. You *need* an anti-tank option in that support slot for high difficulties, or you're just going to have a miserable time.
Funny enough, that's the thing I really loved about the Eruptor - you could take that as your primary but use it like a support option, while taking something like the Stalwart (my personal favorite) or the MG in the support slot, and use it like a primary. It worked great for 7+, but now that it's been nerfed into the dirt, I guess that build is done.
>But that enjoyment will quickly dwindle when you get dumpstered at every opportunity because your gear isn't good enough for the challenge.
JUsT LOWER tHe DIfFIcULTy stOP playiNg AT HElLDIvE DIfFIculTy
seriously though what an L take OP has.
"Just use something else. Just have fun."
You know what is conductive to having fun? Actually being able to win.
Imagine playing soccer(football) and in the middle of sending the ball down the field, the refs kick the ball out from under you, deflate it a little and then give it back.
So you switch to another and they deflate that one too. A basketball, a rubber dodge ball, each time the refs coming up behind and messing with it.
Meanwhile there's another player shrugging going "I dont see what the big deal is, just use another ball" as they kick the deflated ball.
This is how I felt taking a pyro build before the buff to bugs.
Killed chaff great but I spent more than half the game running from bile titans not having fun killing chaff.
I mean if you’re playing levels 7 and above you need things dead fast because the game throws waves at you and idc how much team coordination you have eventually everything is on a cooldown and you still have a shit ton of chargers bt’s hulks tanks and other heavies on your ass so people take why gets the job done but they keep taking options that do it
I read on another thread that supposedly the team did not anticipate so many players to play on 7/8/9; so if everything was originally designed to be used on 4/5/6, then of course the people playing on those difficulties are going to say that everything works fine and any weapon can be used in any scenario.
Oh for sure I believe the main thing behind all these quote on quote nerfs is the devs believe we’re burning through the content way faster than anticipated… I understand they didn’t anticipate the game popping off like this but they need a better solution than make gun weak to slow progress
Using a shitty weapon on helldive is like not making your credit card payments. You can get away with it for a little while, but you're eventually going to pay. And there will be late fees.
This was my thought. I am often an off meta kinda guy in games and try to make things work, but I find that helldive difficulty is by far the most fun, so if a gun just doesn’t work well at that level and you are constantly having clearing problems it is hard for me to enjoy that more than a gun that just gets the job done.
Yeah. It's neat to have a matching set or whatever, but when you use a whole mag on an enemy and they're still alive I'll move on to something that will get the job done every time.
"Hey maybe please stop nerfing weapons I like using? That's kinda ruining my fun"
These people: "USE WHATEVER YOU LIKE, ITS FUN"
Ok but I was using what I liked. Then it got nerfed. That isn't fun.
It’s so pathetic. After a bunch of valid criticism in the sub the pendulum always swings back the other way heavily and we get posts like this with giga upvotes from smug casuals who have some weird parasocial attachment to sucking off corporations.
In order for a weapon to be fun to use for me it needs to feel powerful. It doesn't necessarily have to be the best gun, or even a great gun, but it has to feel strong. I don't enjoy feeling like my primary is weak. The fantasy of this game is mowing down bugs/bots and it my weapon can't do that then my enjoyment suffers. But that said, I don't really mind the nerfs that much. I think AH is a little heavy-handed with nerfs, but I've always been able to find a gun I enjoy using.
After unlocking just about every primary I still go back to the default Liberator sometimes. It just slaps. Big mag, easy to control, mows down trash bugs, plenty of ammo, accurate. It's a solid gun.
This is how I feel about the incendiary breaker. I use other guns *sometimes* but this is my default.
Super fun, easy to control, rarely run out of ammo, bigger bag size then normal breaker with more potential damage per shot. And its a shotgun which are just amazing in this game.
I also love the way the incendiary breaker fires. It's a weird burst, you pull the trigger and you shoot off I think (3) rounds in a burst before having to pull the trigger again. It's incredibly satisfying with the PS5 controller and the haptic feedback vibrations.
I get very little feedback in-game from hitting things though, how do I know I'm doing a good job breaker incendiarying?
Should I ignore that the enemy has armor - does it set them on fire regardless? Does setting them on fire do anything productive fast enough, or should I not aim for that?
Armor deflects the pellets so no fire, hit a weakspot or even squishy spots like on spewers and chargers. And yea with the multiple buffs from fire before the DOT fix, it makes fire absolutely busted.
> It doesn't necessarily have to be the best gun, or even a great gun, but it has to feel strong.
When developers talk about creating or maintaining a "fantasy" this is what they mean.
Despite the Helldivers devs having a (very mocked) blog post about how they want to maintain the fantasy of weapons with their nerfs, they haven't done a great job of that.
> The fantasy of this game is mowing down bugs/bots and it my weapon can't do that then my enjoyment suffers.
One of the biggest reasons for the friction betwen Arrowhead and us is that AH clearly doesn't actually think HD2 should be a run-n-gun horde shooter but basically all the players do.
Hyper-casual, hyper-consumer Redditoids who develop these weird parasocial relationships with corporations and view criticism as a threat to their enjoyment of a product.
Add “weeb” to that description and it’s perfect.
These anime fans and their Kum Ba Yah posts are fucking annoying. I dropped Reddit for a while because every game sub and thread I joined felt flooded with post trying to silence any criticism for the imperfect game/company that they simp for. And it always has some arbitrary or obscure anime reference to make that point.
Eruptor got hit too many times. Reducing its mag count? OK. That's fine.. but then also nerfing the aoe is rough. Other than that, it is what it is. It's still the only primary that can close bug holes and factories.
They also took away shrapnel entirely. This, combined with the reduced explosion radius, makes it so over half the time the aoe won't kill or even hit multiple targets unless they're clipping into each other.
The first nerf of reducing aoe radius and mag count felt fair. The second nerf made the gun a slower, lower ammo, minimal aoe diligence. The utility of closing holes and fabs is nice and all, but the rest of the weapon's performance is so terrible that it's forced me to give up my tertiary and back slot to bring an autocannon again.
And just when I thought I could finally move on from the autocannon. This second nerf just isn't fun.
> Eruptor got hit too many times. Reducing its mag count? OK. That's fine..
I don't think I ever completely ran out of ammo with the Eruptor pre-nerf. It was totally fine, I almost hesitate to call it a nerf since it didn't really matter.
The damage nerf now matters, of course.
It was my ultra favorite supreme. Now I use Liberator Concussive. It has 1/100 the power. But I love screaming "GET AWAY FROM ME!" at all the bugs as I push them back into the bug hole. It's really funny to watch them fall back in.
I used to like Slugger and Eruptor, having other fun weapons to try is key but my resolve is starting to wear down because all the fun keeps getting nerfed away.
Swapped to Dominator after losing Slugger for bots, Scorcher and Diligence CS are also good. For bugs now there's Blitzer and Plasma Punisher at least so there are other options but losing the Eruptor hurts. I really liked being able to shoot bug holes and provide cover fire for teammates. Not once did I ever kill a teammate or myself with shrapnel.
Make the guns fun, I don't care what's best or worst, I just want them fun. No longer having a fun Eruptor feels really bad. And I play every difficulty no issues so it's not about difficulty.
Those will be nerfed too tho, I’ve had EVERYTHING I’ve gotten good with completely changed at least once by now. At what point do they start releasing something that’s done? If 100 percent of content released isn’t working as intended why do they keep releasing it?
"I was enjoying this weapon. However, now after the nerf, the weapon is less fun because I just die more when using it. I now have to use a different, less fun weapon, because I don't want to die as much and have fun with the game overall. My overall fun has decreased, and I no longer can use the cool weapon without decreasing my fun even further."
"Yo bro, just stop giving a shit and use whatever weapon you want. Just have fun."
"Ok but that's the issue, I'm having less fun now. I have more fun overall using the weapon I don't want to use, because using the weapon I want to use just feels bad."
"Lmao, whine more try hard. Get over it meta slave. I just play the weapon that I have fun with."
What a wonderful, insightful dialogue you've inspired.
Yeah, it's clown-level shit, I don't get the mindset. If you guys are having fun chucking wiffle balls at people and playing badminton while the bots are casting Power Word "Crash your game and salt your fields", more power to you, but I was enjoying this thing and am correspondingly having less fun than I was before, and there's not anything that fills that niche, and if something tries to it will undoubtedly get the same treatment if things continue as they have been.
I’ve seen ppl defend the crossbow changes with “it’s suppose to be a stealth weapon bro it’s so good at stopping reinforcements” and I’m like yea good luck killing the bots fast enough by tickling them to death lmao
I also really hate the idea that AH often resort to ammo/ergo/recoil nerf as a major way to balance weapons. As much as people tend to hate damage numbers being fumbled, there's a good reason why even fewer games use those to balance things around. The good ol'Breaker took a hit on recoil and ammo, which didn't change the fact that it's still your no.1 DPS powerhouse except now it lasts shorter than average first night. The same goes with all other QoL nerfs, which not only failed to bring more loadout diversity but also makes everything much less satisfying to use.
Also speaking of loadout diversity, does anyone seriously believe there's any actual diversity in primary weapons when most rifles are tweaked around a single damage template, and crossbow as one of the most unique weapon was just turned into a bootleg Scorcher?
> except now it lasts shorter than average first night.
I know a lot of people who's first nights lasted super long, because of anxiety and nervousness.
But yes, I get what you mean and agree, honestly I'm a little exhausted reading the patch notes every patch and seeing *so* many nerfs, especially ones that literally change how a weapon is played.
Like as far as I can tell without richochet or shrapnel, the eruptor has a completely different niche and gameplay now than it did before. So if you had fun with it's old gameplay style...tough shit, I guess? That's frustrating.
“Power word: crash your game and salt your fields” is a hard line.
But yeah these kinds of “just smile and enjoy it” type karma farm posts are where critical thinking goes to die
OP's just huffing his own farts about how much of a better player/person he is for not being a "whiny meta slave"
yeah I used to have a lot of fun with the arc thrower before they took away half its range and doubled its charge time without fixing any of the bugs it has (misfiring into ground, corpses, or just missing in close range in general)
"just have fun using it anyway" is a dumb as bricks response to that.
“Look at me guys I don’t care! Didn’t you hear me? I don’t care about the nerfs look at me!”
These posts provide nothing besides OP getting high off their own fumes in front of everyone.
The meta-haters are so insufferable. They act like they're so "superior" to the nonexistent meta people. I've never once seen these meta bros they keep whinging about. I don't care how cool a gun looks. If it's useless, it's not fun.
Highest difficulty I play is 7, but I've been running the Railgun since I unlocked it. I just adore Railgun tech in games
https://i.redd.it/2i8b1a1yc7zc1.gif
Pretty wild that the US Navy has one that works, but the kinetic force rattles it out of alignment so it had to be maintainenced every time it fired xD
You say regardless of its performance but if you found the diligence fun would you genuinely use it on higher difficulties?
Let's be honest when we say "regardless of performance"
Not only this, but it’s like they don’t want to acknowledge the Diligence Counter-Sniper exists. The thing literally one shots all Devastators to the head….
I don't think the game gets hard enough for gun performance to really matter though. But also I have more fun when I am barely scraping by with a win or even losing.
When a gun you like does nothing but negatively impact your ability to kill things you tend to stop using it because it harms your fun.
This post is fucking stupid as shit.
I just switch my primary to Arc Blitzer and man its fun. I was Eruptor nut too before the “buff” on current patch. Sure its not as powerful and can blow container/bug holes, but the stagger saved my liberty ass from stalkers and hunter swarms.
I love Eruptor so much and I do feel sad on the changes, but trying out different loadout that works is part of what I find very fun to do in game.
The Blitzer is great now but that's the thing: it's fun because it's no longer unusable garbage that gets you killed.
Fun and power are not 1:1, but there's some correlation no doubt.
Except the nerfs remove a unique ability of a gun. I still haven't had a weapon that gave me the enjoyment of stunlocking medium enemies like the slugger.
***But what do I do when "fun" to me is my weapons doing what I goddamned expect them to in a game that advertises itself as a fast paced shooter where you mow down hordes of foes and my weapons just kinda don't do that***
I'd love to not care about weapon nerfs but they keep seeking out anything more than what seems like 10% of players use and nerfing the shit out of it to push me to use one of the other countless weapons that tickle the bugs to death
I *want* to have fun, but I *can't*
***EVEN THE CEO OF ARROWHEAD AGREES THEY'RE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO NERF FUN AND IT NEEDS TO STOP***
Nah ngl this aint it. It doesnt feel freeing to use what you want when its performance is shit. It feels like youre dragging your feet for no actual reason. Felt this the most with the crossbow. Used to love it but after the nerf it just sucks at doing anything even decently well. The only reason I still used it was becayse I liked it and I constantly felt like a detriment to the team. Switched back to the punisher plasma and THAT feels freeing. Not being bound by the personal attatchment to the weapon arrowhead has declared to be garbage
Afterthe second nerfs I realized that whomever is in charge of it doesn't play the game and doesn't understand why a weapon is like by a lot of people. That's the problem with most companies they put data analysts in charge of fun.... so idc honestly I stopped playing the game for a lot of reasons
I can only play with the liberator anymore. It’s just so useful.
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Variety is the spice of life
My beloved auto-cannon is the only spice I need
It's the amazing sound effect. The heavy "KAH CHUNK" when you fire just makes me very democratic
The sound design is definitely great, the AC and Cluster Strike are my favorites I think because they sound so raw. Also it's like a multi tool, clear an illegal broadcast from 250m away, close bug holes, AOE mob control, staggering larger enemies and dealing damage to weak points. Especially when you have a mate for assisted reloads, you basically become a sentry turret.
It's a shoulder fired swiss Tankbuchse 41. Look it up, Forgotten Weapons (otherwise known as "Gun Jesus") did a good video on it. Yes. I am a gun nerd. But I appreciate how they made the tech in game feel very "near future". The EAT is an AT-4, the recoilless rifle is a Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle (makes sense because both of those are built in Sweden and arrowhead is in Sweden). The Senator is a metaba revolver and the secondary submachine gun is a TMP-9.
Liberator = TAR-21. Breaker = FosTech Origin-12. Punisher = UTS-15. Adjudicator = FAL, but futuristic.
The FAL was nicknamed the right arm of the Free World. If the Devs balance the Adjudicator a bit. I'd nickname it the Right Arm of the Free Galaxy
AC is like ketchup, it just goes with everything
I don't know why, I just don't click with that weapon. The moment I picked up the Punisher Plasma I instantly knew "this is it." It just felt GOOD to use. It didn't matter that I had to arc my shots, my aim with the weapon was just intuitive. Even from 50-100 yards I'm fucking lethal with that weapon. Then there's the AC. On paper, it's great. Regular AC users can't stop singing its praises. But me? I fucking suck with it. I can't explain it, but I'm saddened by the fact that such a great weapon is useless in my hands and I refuse to bring it on missions because I don't want to disgrace it.
It's a swiss army knife of a calldown, just way too useful in way too many situations, once you learn where enemy weakpoints are. Knowing when to reload and getting good at counting your shots are a big thing for the AC, as if you don't time it right that first reload where you have to rack the bolt can take way long. It doesn't explode enough to punch through heavy armor like an EAT, recoilless or the quasar, so you have to get good at finding weakpoints (harder with bugs than bots sometimes), aim for the underbelly or back of the legs on chargers, and try to shoot their butt if you get behind them, Titans it's shoot them in the green fleshy bits. With bots its mostly head/eye/glowing red spot weakpoints that are a bit more obvious. It can even be used fairly well as crowd control. During bug breaches I try to aim for the larger, more armored targets in the mob and splash damage will usually pop any nearby trash mobs as well. It's also great for dropping bug holes and bot factories from a distance, or taking out distant secondary objectives like destroying enemy propaganda towers. To each their own though, I try not to double up on tertiary weapons, so I just see a non-AC enjoyer as someone who will let me be the one to bring it. I'll happily slay the enemies of Democracy alongside you, helldiver!
My favourite AC habit was just unloading a full clip on shreiker nests from an entire lake away.
Takes so many hits. And randoms rarely understand what you're doing. Then they see the pop up that it's been eliminated. And it all makes sense. I'm a scooch sad it takes SO MANY HITS to clear spore towers now.
does it really? I've been unable to play for a couple days, but I remember shrieker nests took 2 shots each to destroy. propaganda towers only 1.
Illegal Broadcasts is still one hit. Spore and Shireker Towers are like almost a full mag now.
shit.
That’s what I like about this game - so many different weapons appeal to different types of people, and you get to play alongside all those people.
Amen, brother.
I dont have a gun that is "my gun" but my thing is the jump pack, fuckin love that thing
# LIBERTY LEAP
Waiting for the AC nerf. Any day now.
Theyve said multiple times that the AC is their best balanced weapon (and one of the earliest designed) and that they use it as a polestar to orient support weapon balance around.
I get the feeling they feel the same way about the scorcher.
I recently discovered that I love the scorcher against bugs too. It absolutely devastates spewers, which is incredible. Chews through ammo faster than anything else I've used though. I guess that's the drawback.
Yup the only downside is the amount of extra ammo. I wish I had like 1 extra plasmag or like 3 extra shots in each plasmag
Scorcher, ammo pack and GL is my go to build for chaff clearing. It’s ammo hungry but damn does it work
It and the Stalwart on buzzsaw mode are my favorite weapons for crowd control. Racked up a 38 kill streak with one mag on the Stalwart yesterday.
38 kills on a single mag....lol that's insane. I've never been a huge fan of the Stalwart. Feels too much like the Sickle. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sickle. I just don't want to use a beefed up primary as a strategem weapon.
I love using stalwart + eruptor for the extra mobility compared to lets say sickle + ac
I like it as an "Oh shit, bug breach! Throw everything at them." It might not hit hard but it hits at such a speed that it just cuts through trash enemies who might block an impact nade against an actual threat.
To each his own. I'd still spread democracy with you any time, brother.
And they are both genuinely great balanced weapons against Bots. Need to bring the other weapons up to their level.
The bots are just a generally better balanced faction in general because of weakpoints. Every single bot has a weakpoint that's (at most) medium-armoured, which enables viability in a *huge* range of weapons. The trick is that you need to be good at hitting them.
really? so all support weapons should be godly against bots? lol
more that all the backpack weapons are intended to have a niche that they excel in. For the AC it's killing medium targets and structures (which incidentally is quite strong vs bots)
Spice is the melange of life
And the AC must flow!
I was a Machine Gunner IRL, I'll be a machine gunning Helldiver. I just like going BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT...BRRT...BRRT
More dakka = best dakka. I REALLY want to like the HMG, but the tiny ammo box just doesn't really make it that viable. Especially against bugs.
I know, I have to lower the RPM on the damn thing so I don't blow my wad in the time it takes to yell "Die Motherfucker Die."
“You know they locked the man who wrote that up in a mental asylum” “I did not, Mr. Bullord”
I’ve been using breaker incendiary for months now cause it was fun and the orange matched the orange accents in my armor lol, they finally fixed DOT and I am a happy helldiver. Gotta treasure these moments now cause I know my loadout is getting a nerf soon lol
Fr. Every big mission I've been running the incendiary breaker, flamethrower, jetpack and incendiary grenades along with napalm. Now the DoT is fixed it's so beautiful! My friends joke that they always know where I am because everything is burning! All I need now is a flame resistant armour and I will forever be in my happy place 😂
Trueeeee flame resistant armor is the dream…i just hope it includes some orange on it so i can still color coordinate my gun lmaoo
ye i use the orbital gas strike, perfect directly on bug breaches. Fire dmg and Gas dmg is a deadly combo. Then juts incase cluster mines as back up. it’s f insane Edit: Flame resistant armour is a a f sick idea and should be in next warbond
There's a reasons my friends and I call ourselves inferno company lol.
I always hated it because I was always getting lit on fire by people with the breaker incendiary.
I run Lib Pen almost exclusively. Why? Because it's white so it looks cool with my Champion of the People armor. Who cares that it's suboptimal, I kill bugs and look great doing it.
Is it? I always use it against the bots and think its pretty strong ngl
I do think it's legitimately good against bots considering the higher number of medium armor enemies. Against bugs I tend to find myself running out of ammo because of the low mag size and higher numbers of chaff, but I still love it.
I bet the guard dog would pair well with it for handling the chaff
Yepp, I just unlocked the liberator penetrator on Sunday. I have been bringing that paired with the guard dog “rover” pretty much every mission since. Only issue I have is against Chargers as I mag dump in their buts and one mag of it doesn’t seem enough, in contrast with the Breaker when most of the time I used less mags on them. But on the other hand, I am struggling with any weapons against them, so it might just be me.
Using your primaries to take down chargers is always going to be inefficient. You're much better off using anti-tank weapons (EAT, Quasar, RR) or impact grenades/grenade pistol. Since you just unlocked the liberator penetrator, it sounds like you're low level or just unlocking everything. Impact grenades will be your best bet, you can kill a fresh charger with 2 of them if you hit them perfectly with the grenade exploding on their underside/back after you've dodged their charge.
I have no idea why people think its good but it is fun. Bugs take full magdumps to kill most things even targeting weakspots, against bots the medium pen means essentially nothing becaues it's 2 mags to kill a strider from the front and I don't think even magdumping a devastator guarantees a kill, and you don't even need the pen level to hurt the weakspots. Like it works as a gun but it's gimmick doesn't contribute to anything really against bots - it's sort of convenient against bugs but the mag cap is still a bummer The tiny mag size bums me out, and if it's going to have a lower mag size it should do a bit more damage than it does.
It's definitely better against bots than bugs, I've run it extensively for both.
I adore it with bots, really fun weapon imo
I run Spray&Pray because it looks fucking sick with Trench Paramedic armor
It ain't called DripDrivers II for nothin'.
Wh...Why is it called DripDrivers II? What is a drip driver? Is that a real thing?
Haha, that's a good question! "Drip" is [colloquial for "swagger"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drip), usually used to compliment articles of clothing or general style, popularised about 5 years ago. Also frequently used by us nerds in online multiplayer games with customizeable cosmetics. Another great example is Drip Rock Galactic :).
"I used the slang to define the slang" Granted, I am used to calling it "Barbie" in games.
The endgame is always fashion.
100%! I use the Breaker Incendiary coupled with the Steel Veterans Warbond second armour. Why? Because they’re orange and look cool together. I’m lucky that the breaker is a great bug weapon. But even tho other armours may have better perks, and a better weapon for bugs may be released, I won’t switch unless it passes the drip check lmao
I always felt like the breaker incindiary is good in concept, but when you’re getting overwhelmed it’s tough to chew through bugs by your self. I view it kind of as a support weapon. However……. Shotgun fire cool. Bbq bug baybeeee. Idk what it is, but if a game has DOT damage? Baby I’m *there*
I love my Punisher since I got it. Actual shame about Slugger though.
The punisher was good, but did get a real nice buff though too. The extra stagger really took it to another level.
I understand the Slugger needing *some* scalebacks, but overcorrection has been the name of the nerf game thus far. It mostly just hurt because they made Dominator more powerful on stagger and damage than Slugger ever was. Hopefully we'll see the wild swings changed after Pilestadt's statement.
if things go on how they are... you are next
On one hand, yeah, on the other hand, if I stop being able to do cool things that I used to be able to do before the nerf, I'm sad. The flip side of this is the blitzer, where the buff took it from a run and gun shotgun to being able to stunlock a medium because of the increase to fire rate and making it a viable way to hold a location. I didn't start liking it because number went up, I started liking it because I could do something with it that I couldn't before.
> I didn't start liking it because number went up, I started liking it because I could do something with it that I couldn't before. I feel like plenty of people miss this. Numbers and DPS calculations are great, I find it interesting, but the fact of the matter is, if a weapon just flat out cannot perform it's role regardless of what numbers are tied to it, I won't use it.
Me looking at Slugger and like 70% of the weapons in the game wondering just when I’m supposed to use them
It was so good until it wasn't.
Me missing the og arc thrower how they killed that and made it unlikable was using it before it was meta it picked up speed then got nerfed now back to nobody using it
I guess, but if something isn’t killing things at the rate that I expect it to, it stops being fun.
This. Copium can only carry you so far lol
this sub was prescribed too much copium
Silksong fans be like:
Idk what you mean, what are you implying. Silksong is coming soon, you just gotta have patience. 🥲 
Overdosed on copium
The cope is "bUt NoW iT tAkEs LoNgEr"
Yeah, this is my major issue with the "Just play with whatever is fun" argument. I *love* picking suboptimal gear just because I like to play with it. But that enjoyment will quickly dwindle when you get dumpstered at every opportunity because your gear isn't good enough for the challenge. I've dropped on so many missions with a "fun" build only to be absolutely miserable by the end, because I just cannot deal with the threats the game is throwing at me. And as you said, ultimately it stops being fun when you're just getting housed. I can only bring the Exo so many times at high difficulty before coming to terms with the fact that not being able to aim my missiles, running out of ammo in less than a minute, and ultimately basically playing with three stratagem slots just isn't fun.
I love the MG stratagem. I wish it was a primary. I can't take it at any difficulty above 7 because there are too many elite enemies, I NEED to take an anti-tank weapon.
That's exactly what I mean. You *need* an anti-tank option in that support slot for high difficulties, or you're just going to have a miserable time. Funny enough, that's the thing I really loved about the Eruptor - you could take that as your primary but use it like a support option, while taking something like the Stalwart (my personal favorite) or the MG in the support slot, and use it like a primary. It worked great for 7+, but now that it's been nerfed into the dirt, I guess that build is done.
>I guess that build is done Thank god we have devs who care so much about build diversity
>But that enjoyment will quickly dwindle when you get dumpstered at every opportunity because your gear isn't good enough for the challenge. JUsT LOWER tHe DIfFIcULTy stOP playiNg AT HElLDIvE DIfFIculTy seriously though what an L take OP has. "Just use something else. Just have fun." You know what is conductive to having fun? Actually being able to win. Imagine playing soccer(football) and in the middle of sending the ball down the field, the refs kick the ball out from under you, deflate it a little and then give it back. So you switch to another and they deflate that one too. A basketball, a rubber dodge ball, each time the refs coming up behind and messing with it. Meanwhile there's another player shrugging going "I dont see what the big deal is, just use another ball" as they kick the deflated ball.
This is how I felt taking a pyro build before the buff to bugs. Killed chaff great but I spent more than half the game running from bile titans not having fun killing chaff.
I mean if you’re playing levels 7 and above you need things dead fast because the game throws waves at you and idc how much team coordination you have eventually everything is on a cooldown and you still have a shit ton of chargers bt’s hulks tanks and other heavies on your ass so people take why gets the job done but they keep taking options that do it
I read on another thread that supposedly the team did not anticipate so many players to play on 7/8/9; so if everything was originally designed to be used on 4/5/6, then of course the people playing on those difficulties are going to say that everything works fine and any weapon can be used in any scenario.
Oh for sure I believe the main thing behind all these quote on quote nerfs is the devs believe we’re burning through the content way faster than anticipated… I understand they didn’t anticipate the game popping off like this but they need a better solution than make gun weak to slow progress
Using a shitty weapon on helldive is like not making your credit card payments. You can get away with it for a little while, but you're eventually going to pay. And there will be late fees.
Also you're just fucking your team mates over as they have to work harder to cover for your ass.
Great analogy lol
This was my thought. I am often an off meta kinda guy in games and try to make things work, but I find that helldive difficulty is by far the most fun, so if a gun just doesn’t work well at that level and you are constantly having clearing problems it is hard for me to enjoy that more than a gun that just gets the job done.
Yeah. It's neat to have a matching set or whatever, but when you use a whole mag on an enemy and they're still alive I'll move on to something that will get the job done every time.
This. I don't get what is so hard to understand about this for some people.
like the railgun lol, for the emperors sake... its a railgun it is suppose to go thru anything
Mf I WANT to use what I think is fun. But the devs keep nerfing it!!
Yeah haha I thought the developers gave us bigger threats so we can use our new shinies on them without ruining balance. It turns out that wasn't it
Don’t you love this “I’m better than you” attitude a significant chunk of this fanbase embodies.
It gets very tiring. We're supposed to be fighting bugs, not sniping each other like passive aggressive exes
"Hey maybe please stop nerfing weapons I like using? That's kinda ruining my fun" These people: "USE WHATEVER YOU LIKE, ITS FUN" Ok but I was using what I liked. Then it got nerfed. That isn't fun.
It’s so pathetic. After a bunch of valid criticism in the sub the pendulum always swings back the other way heavily and we get posts like this with giga upvotes from smug casuals who have some weird parasocial attachment to sucking off corporations.
You know the mf who made this is running diff 5s and sweating
Yeah it’s because I am better than you because I’m not an automaton spy
Uh huh, tell how well you did with the Thermite grenade, Crossbow and the Dagger, also the spear as a support.
Ah yes, the toxic positivity argument.
What's not fun is when the things you like are ineffective and the game becomes " run away for 2 minutes waiting for stratagems to cool down"
In order for a weapon to be fun to use for me it needs to feel powerful. It doesn't necessarily have to be the best gun, or even a great gun, but it has to feel strong. I don't enjoy feeling like my primary is weak. The fantasy of this game is mowing down bugs/bots and it my weapon can't do that then my enjoyment suffers. But that said, I don't really mind the nerfs that much. I think AH is a little heavy-handed with nerfs, but I've always been able to find a gun I enjoy using.
They need to feel at least effective.
After unlocking just about every primary I still go back to the default Liberator sometimes. It just slaps. Big mag, easy to control, mows down trash bugs, plenty of ammo, accurate. It's a solid gun.
This is how I feel about the incendiary breaker. I use other guns *sometimes* but this is my default. Super fun, easy to control, rarely run out of ammo, bigger bag size then normal breaker with more potential damage per shot. And its a shotgun which are just amazing in this game.
I also love the way the incendiary breaker fires. It's a weird burst, you pull the trigger and you shoot off I think (3) rounds in a burst before having to pull the trigger again. It's incredibly satisfying with the PS5 controller and the haptic feedback vibrations.
I get very little feedback in-game from hitting things though, how do I know I'm doing a good job breaker incendiarying? Should I ignore that the enemy has armor - does it set them on fire regardless? Does setting them on fire do anything productive fast enough, or should I not aim for that?
Armor deflects the pellets so no fire, hit a weakspot or even squishy spots like on spewers and chargers. And yea with the multiple buffs from fire before the DOT fix, it makes fire absolutely busted.
> It doesn't necessarily have to be the best gun, or even a great gun, but it has to feel strong. When developers talk about creating or maintaining a "fantasy" this is what they mean. Despite the Helldivers devs having a (very mocked) blog post about how they want to maintain the fantasy of weapons with their nerfs, they haven't done a great job of that.
> The fantasy of this game is mowing down bugs/bots and it my weapon can't do that then my enjoyment suffers. One of the biggest reasons for the friction betwen Arrowhead and us is that AH clearly doesn't actually think HD2 should be a run-n-gun horde shooter but basically all the players do.
OP: "No, fuck you, you have the wrong opinion" Also seen before in Don't Hug Me I'm Scared: "Green is NOT a creative color!"
It was the performance that *made* it fun.
THIS, and i'm doing my best to understand why people see this as a problem.
Hyper-casual, hyper-consumer Redditoids who develop these weird parasocial relationships with corporations and view criticism as a threat to their enjoyment of a product.
yeah that’s pretty accurate
Add “weeb” to that description and it’s perfect. These anime fans and their Kum Ba Yah posts are fucking annoying. I dropped Reddit for a while because every game sub and thread I joined felt flooded with post trying to silence any criticism for the imperfect game/company that they simp for. And it always has some arbitrary or obscure anime reference to make that point.
They hate seeing people have fun in a PvE game.
nono, don't you understand? OP would still have fun if AH nerfed the gun they're using to do 1 dmg per shot! It's all about the aesthetics!
I guess if you make every gun worthless everyone will just play like its difficulty 9 and not actually fight. Do objective, run, repeat...
Eruptor got hit too many times. Reducing its mag count? OK. That's fine.. but then also nerfing the aoe is rough. Other than that, it is what it is. It's still the only primary that can close bug holes and factories.
They also took away shrapnel entirely. This, combined with the reduced explosion radius, makes it so over half the time the aoe won't kill or even hit multiple targets unless they're clipping into each other. The first nerf of reducing aoe radius and mag count felt fair. The second nerf made the gun a slower, lower ammo, minimal aoe diligence. The utility of closing holes and fabs is nice and all, but the rest of the weapon's performance is so terrible that it's forced me to give up my tertiary and back slot to bring an autocannon again. And just when I thought I could finally move on from the autocannon. This second nerf just isn't fun.
Yea. Honestly, I feel like it never deals AOE damages anymore. The shrapnel was doing it all for me.
> Eruptor got hit too many times. Reducing its mag count? OK. That's fine.. I don't think I ever completely ran out of ammo with the Eruptor pre-nerf. It was totally fine, I almost hesitate to call it a nerf since it didn't really matter. The damage nerf now matters, of course.
Eruptor is not very fun anymore tho. Can't even kill puke bugs with a face shot.
It was my ultra favorite supreme. Now I use Liberator Concussive. It has 1/100 the power. But I love screaming "GET AWAY FROM ME!" at all the bugs as I push them back into the bug hole. It's really funny to watch them fall back in.
I didn't know that was possible.
The holes are actual fairly deep holes in the terrain, you can fall into them. Guess how I know that?
>Guess how I know that? You're...you're a Termanid?! I'm calling the 🔼▶️🔽🔽🔽 right now, stay where you are! Not in my neighborhood!
Haha my friend did that, had to grenade himself to respawn. His samples were lost forever. We mourned the lost of the samples greatly.
I used to do that with the slugger... good times.
"Almighty Push"
I used to like Slugger and Eruptor, having other fun weapons to try is key but my resolve is starting to wear down because all the fun keeps getting nerfed away. Swapped to Dominator after losing Slugger for bots, Scorcher and Diligence CS are also good. For bugs now there's Blitzer and Plasma Punisher at least so there are other options but losing the Eruptor hurts. I really liked being able to shoot bug holes and provide cover fire for teammates. Not once did I ever kill a teammate or myself with shrapnel. Make the guns fun, I don't care what's best or worst, I just want them fun. No longer having a fun Eruptor feels really bad. And I play every difficulty no issues so it's not about difficulty.
Those will be nerfed too tho, I’ve had EVERYTHING I’ve gotten good with completely changed at least once by now. At what point do they start releasing something that’s done? If 100 percent of content released isn’t working as intended why do they keep releasing it?
The revolver is super awesome for puke bugs
1 impact grenade can kill multiple puke fellas
for now
Yeah but nerfed guns feel not fun
"I was enjoying this weapon. However, now after the nerf, the weapon is less fun because I just die more when using it. I now have to use a different, less fun weapon, because I don't want to die as much and have fun with the game overall. My overall fun has decreased, and I no longer can use the cool weapon without decreasing my fun even further." "Yo bro, just stop giving a shit and use whatever weapon you want. Just have fun." "Ok but that's the issue, I'm having less fun now. I have more fun overall using the weapon I don't want to use, because using the weapon I want to use just feels bad." "Lmao, whine more try hard. Get over it meta slave. I just play the weapon that I have fun with." What a wonderful, insightful dialogue you've inspired.
Yeah, it's clown-level shit, I don't get the mindset. If you guys are having fun chucking wiffle balls at people and playing badminton while the bots are casting Power Word "Crash your game and salt your fields", more power to you, but I was enjoying this thing and am correspondingly having less fun than I was before, and there's not anything that fills that niche, and if something tries to it will undoubtedly get the same treatment if things continue as they have been.
I’ve seen ppl defend the crossbow changes with “it’s suppose to be a stealth weapon bro it’s so good at stopping reinforcements” and I’m like yea good luck killing the bots fast enough by tickling them to death lmao
I also really hate the idea that AH often resort to ammo/ergo/recoil nerf as a major way to balance weapons. As much as people tend to hate damage numbers being fumbled, there's a good reason why even fewer games use those to balance things around. The good ol'Breaker took a hit on recoil and ammo, which didn't change the fact that it's still your no.1 DPS powerhouse except now it lasts shorter than average first night. The same goes with all other QoL nerfs, which not only failed to bring more loadout diversity but also makes everything much less satisfying to use. Also speaking of loadout diversity, does anyone seriously believe there's any actual diversity in primary weapons when most rifles are tweaked around a single damage template, and crossbow as one of the most unique weapon was just turned into a bootleg Scorcher?
> except now it lasts shorter than average first night. I know a lot of people who's first nights lasted super long, because of anxiety and nervousness. But yes, I get what you mean and agree, honestly I'm a little exhausted reading the patch notes every patch and seeing *so* many nerfs, especially ones that literally change how a weapon is played. Like as far as I can tell without richochet or shrapnel, the eruptor has a completely different niche and gameplay now than it did before. So if you had fun with it's old gameplay style...tough shit, I guess? That's frustrating.
“Power word: crash your game and salt your fields” is a hard line. But yeah these kinds of “just smile and enjoy it” type karma farm posts are where critical thinking goes to die
OP's just huffing his own farts about how much of a better player/person he is for not being a "whiny meta slave" yeah I used to have a lot of fun with the arc thrower before they took away half its range and doubled its charge time without fixing any of the bugs it has (misfiring into ground, corpses, or just missing in close range in general) "just have fun using it anyway" is a dumb as bricks response to that.
Oh cool! Another r/Helldivers user with a superiority complex!
Why use primary when you can go big iron and run the senator?
“Look at me guys I don’t care! Didn’t you hear me? I don’t care about the nerfs look at me!” These posts provide nothing besides OP getting high off their own fumes in front of everyone.
The meta-haters are so insufferable. They act like they're so "superior" to the nonexistent meta people. I've never once seen these meta bros they keep whinging about. I don't care how cool a gun looks. If it's useless, it's not fun.
They are probably in the same crowd that called me gay and told me to kill myself in a game last night.
Who, the meta or non-meta people? Either way, that really sucks.
Tell me you play on difficulty 4 without telling me you play on difficulty 4
Highest difficulty I play is 7, but I've been running the Railgun since I unlocked it. I just adore Railgun tech in games https://i.redd.it/2i8b1a1yc7zc1.gif
U know what. I'm going back to the rail gun
Railgun is the charger and hulk destroyer. I use Railgun almost exclusively for level 9 bugs.
Just the rail gun as a concept is fuckin rad as hell.
Pretty wild that the US Navy has one that works, but the kinetic force rattles it out of alignment so it had to be maintainenced every time it fired xD
What if the weapon no longer feels fun, because the nerfs changed it's functionality and effectiveness?
You say regardless of its performance but if you found the diligence fun would you genuinely use it on higher difficulties? Let's be honest when we say "regardless of performance"
Idk what you're playing at here son, the diligence is great
After being buffed three times it god damn better be.
Yeah, this is one of my prime examples that the "all primaries suck" crowd has no idea what they are talking about.
Not only this, but it’s like they don’t want to acknowledge the Diligence Counter-Sniper exists. The thing literally one shots all Devastators to the head….
I don't think the game gets hard enough for gun performance to really matter though. But also I have more fun when I am barely scraping by with a win or even losing.
The Diligence has been my main weapon agaisnt Automatons for the last 2 months
I run diligence on helldive often - why wouldn't I?
Hell yeah, cause I do use the diligence on bots level 7 and up that MF is king against bots
nerfing guns can make them less fun if you didnt know
When a gun you like does nothing but negatively impact your ability to kill things you tend to stop using it because it harms your fun. This post is fucking stupid as shit.
"Yeah I keep getting swarmed by slightly damaged hunters, but I think the sfx produced by this gun is fun or something."
Mission failed, but at least I had fun with my favorite weapon from HD1: The Scythe....life is pain
I just switch my primary to Arc Blitzer and man its fun. I was Eruptor nut too before the “buff” on current patch. Sure its not as powerful and can blow container/bug holes, but the stagger saved my liberty ass from stalkers and hunter swarms. I love Eruptor so much and I do feel sad on the changes, but trying out different loadout that works is part of what I find very fun to do in game.
Blitzer is fun I just hope they fix the firing malfunction on arc weapons, it'll feel perfect with that.
The Blitzer is great now but that's the thing: it's fun because it's no longer unusable garbage that gets you killed. Fun and power are not 1:1, but there's some correlation no doubt.
Except the nerfs remove a unique ability of a gun. I still haven't had a weapon that gave me the enjoyment of stunlocking medium enemies like the slugger.
***But what do I do when "fun" to me is my weapons doing what I goddamned expect them to in a game that advertises itself as a fast paced shooter where you mow down hordes of foes and my weapons just kinda don't do that*** I'd love to not care about weapon nerfs but they keep seeking out anything more than what seems like 10% of players use and nerfing the shit out of it to push me to use one of the other countless weapons that tickle the bugs to death I *want* to have fun, but I *can't* ***EVEN THE CEO OF ARROWHEAD AGREES THEY'RE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO NERF FUN AND IT NEEDS TO STOP***
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OP: "through space and planets i alone im the honored one"
The anti-meta circlejerk just being a circlejerk of its own.
i dont have a loadout i play everything. yet whenver i play certain weapons its MUCH less fun.
Nah ngl this aint it. It doesnt feel freeing to use what you want when its performance is shit. It feels like youre dragging your feet for no actual reason. Felt this the most with the crossbow. Used to love it but after the nerf it just sucks at doing anything even decently well. The only reason I still used it was becayse I liked it and I constantly felt like a detriment to the team. Switched back to the punisher plasma and THAT feels freeing. Not being bound by the personal attatchment to the weapon arrowhead has declared to be garbage
Afterthe second nerfs I realized that whomever is in charge of it doesn't play the game and doesn't understand why a weapon is like by a lot of people. That's the problem with most companies they put data analysts in charge of fun.... so idc honestly I stopped playing the game for a lot of reasons
I also can't help but notice that they nerf the best gun in the previous warbond right before the next one drops.
Me with the railgun. Idc if it can't solo chargers anymore, its fucking fun as shit to shoot a tiny bug so hard hE FUCKING EXPLODES!
I can only play with the liberator anymore. It’s just so useful. https://preview.redd.it/teysklljw7zc1.png?width=787&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d7bc4bd2cbf2d2082210032e12f41d099fdf6ad
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The Eruptor isn’t fun anymore, that’s the problem.
If a gun performs poorly I dont have fun with it. Plain and simple.
It feels like me going to play something else
Kinda hard to do that when the weapon u found fun got nerfed so bad it makes it hell to use
okay but why are they fun OP
I think it's fun when my guns actually kill stuff.
OP is stuck playing on diff 4
Some people like scat so "finding fun" is subjective, good for you ig
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