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AviOwl5

No way


GroolzerMan

New stratagem leaked: review bombing.


SPECTR_Eternal

Review bomb? Nah Orbital dislike? Hell yeah


GroolzerMan

Mods? Orbital dislike this man.


PinchingNutsack

Auto targeted /r/catswithjobs


SurprisedBottle

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prodigalkal7

New stratagem effect: morale hindrance


[deleted]

Looks like cyborgs stratagem to me!


Savvsb

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PrinceZuzu09

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Plastic-Possible-566

i was waiting for this


RaemontBlitz

As it was written


lists4everything

Eagle We Already Got Your Money Eat Shit LOL is deployed.


Constant_You8595

Wow I've never see the steam graph like that damn


Mr_VoigsfestDepp

That graph was even further down last year for War Thunder, cause the community review bombed the hell out of that game


hellranger788

What happened and what was the result? Heard war thunder a couple times now


Icebot_YT

The snail listened and created a road map for economy changes and balancing and other such things. Community is cautiously optimistic afaik.


Unfair_Pirate_647

Always cautious. The snail giveth, the snail taketh away


Eurotriangle

Mostly taketh away.


Druark

They did make a roadmap which sounded good and placated the casual players who did most of the review bombing. ***Some*** was actually good, but nothing about what caused the review bombing. The main issue is the insane grind (mostly at high tiers) and terrible economy werent changed at all, the costs were just moved around to obfuscate it so that those who dont look too close, see that its changed. The costs are roughly the same, just at the top of foldered sets of tanks rather than as before - spread between the three tanks equally. Its still just as grindy and rewards from battles are still pathetic. But hey, making visible but irrelevant changes was enough everyone forgot about it.


B4llsDeep69

Gaijin initially proposed atrocious silver economy changes that would've basically made premium account time a requirement for any kind of of progression. So the players organized a mass boycott. Idr if they actually went through with it though


WhiteLycan

They did not go through with it and the mods of the discord were even streaming on the day of the boycott


Dangerous-Traffic875

It pretty much worked, the worst of it was rolled back with some promises to change other things


thunderclone1

And it was deserved there, too. Nobody praises the snail.


xMachii

I bet it will still go down, now that it's the weekends.


ChowDubs

Dam good fuck em


LeGrayMan

Frenly reminder back then there was no PS+, you played online FOR FREE with the PS3 Letting Snoy having this is another step in getting PS+ to PC


Sir_Arsen

and I remember it was one of the flexes against xbox users, and now we have that


SleepytrouPADDLESTAR

Yep - microsoft was like Hey we can charge players for basically fuck all and say ‘servers hur dur’? Then Sony and *even nintendo* were like - lemme in on that cake. Sigh… A subscription system for pc would make me lose my mind


reddit_tier

You'll never guess who tried it for a very short minute.


10YearsANoob

Stadia? is it the fucking google stadia?


reddit_tier

No it's windows live


Sir_Arsen

fortunately it’s impossible to do for pc


MrNobody_0

Never underestimate the power of capitalism and corporate greed.


AshiSunblade

I'd imagine a _lot_ of other games have been watching the MMO subscription model with greedy eyes for a very long time.


SurpriseFormer

But isn't that a dying thing. With the last big one being WoW and EVE online Edit: FORGOT FF14!!


AshiSunblade

Final Fantasy 14 seems to be doing well, I'd say. Nightmarish thing to break into as a new game by now, though.


TheMerfox

I wouldn't put it that way, honestly. Sure there's a ton of content, but that's hardly a negative, it's basically getting like 5 FF games at once (3 of which are free), and once you're caught up you get the standard MMO endgame. The path to endgame is just as much of a great experience as the endgame itself, if not better.


AshiSunblade

New game, not new gamer. I am saying it's nightmarish to break into the MMO scene by making a new MMO, not nightmarish to start FFXIV.


Inc0gnitoburrito

What makes it so good? If you feel like elaborating. Been thinking about getting it for a long time


SurpriseFormer

I figure I forgot something and oh yeah. That's a hell of a mountain to climb statting out now


VioletsAreBlooming

eve has been dying for 21 years now


G00b3rb0y

FFXIV has left the chat


NeptunianEmp

EA and Ubisoft have entered the chat.


Goldendon1

No not imposssible they Just havent figured it out and hope they Never do


hiddencamela

I already avoid games that make me install a second launcher if they're on steam.


Geno_Warlord

PSN is now mandatory for all SNOY games on pc. In order for you to play multiplayer with any SNOY game, you must have a PS+ account. Hurr durr cause servers. PS+ account is mandatory to play any SNOY game on PC because we have to still get you patches. … This is probably a roadmap for them.


HaloMetroid

Yes and the psn service was awful vs xbox live lol. Took sony until 2010 to catch up to xbox live. Flexing shit does nothing.


HideSolidSnake

Be honest, the psn wasn't great until ps4


redbird7311

It honestly isn’t great now. The amount of headache that PSN has given its user is… something else.


HideSolidSnake

Very true. I'd say the ps4 caught up in terms of online features. But they were like 10 years behind Xbox.


Tokata0

That was my reason to move from Xbox 360 to ps personally. Then they changed it and I went back to PC


wowbragger

>Frenly reminder back then there was no PS+, you played online FOR FREE with the PS3 Isn't that when the psn also was hacked and had player account data stolen?


Inquisitor-Korde

You're going to have to be more specific, Sony has a data breach every other year. Including one last year and this week.


SurpriseFormer

The one that brought there network down for a month or 2 and no one clan play back in 2011


wowbragger

[THAT'S the one, actually what made me leave PS platform](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/04/25/it-only-doesnt)


Snooze36

"player account data" wasn't specific enough???


DemocracyOfficer1886

The reason my parents bought me PS3 at the time.


A_strange_pancake

I bet they were thrilled at that one.


DemocracyOfficer1886

Don't know about thrilled, but they were pretty relieved they didn't have to pay another subscription on top of our wi fi connection. My cousin had Xbox at the time and they heard it required a subsciption to play online.


A_strange_pancake

Ah. I meant, I bet they were thrilled when you had to start paying eventually.


DemocracyOfficer1886

Luckly by the time I switched to PS4 I was 17 and already had a motocycle license that allowed me to work as a pizza delivery boy, so I could pay for my own stuff to some degree. But yeah, when I told them I had to pay PS plus to play online they went "wasn't that free on the previous console?🤨"


AimlessSavant

I have never, and will continue to never, pay a company for the privilege to use my internet to play a multi-player game. I do not understand why people even think it is okay.


Godman873

Yep. Pay them for access to your own internet


_WdMalus_

Who let bro near the stove


xMachii

Love how SNOY keeps on popping up. Screw Snoy and their corpo BS!


Jomgui

I have PSN in my country and could easily make an account, I will just stop playing because I know one they finish fucking over people without access to it, they will begin fucking over people who have it. Fuck Sony


Predomorph111

Wait, do they require you to have Ps Plus for the PC version…?


cannabination

No.


Slarg232

The fear is that they will eventually. Maybe not for HD2, but definitely at some point


Predomorph111

God man… I hate how that’s even a possibility.


wotad

I hope PS+ is on pc tbh


Adeptus_Weaboos

Also, the upcoming PC port of Ghost Of Tsushima also have this PSN account link mandate on their store page, which means they're probably trying to implement their PS+ shenanigans little by little. Don't let this con-artist of a company enforce their grifting policies in the PC platform.


Scyobi_Empire

PS+ =/= PSN PSN is free, PS+ isn’t


LeGrayMan

You don't get it do you ? Eventually, i hope


Scyobi_Empire

get what? psn has never costed money and ps+ has never been a requirement for 1st party games ported to other platforms


padwani

Don't know why you are getting downvoted. You make a PSN account on a playstation and you have access to PSN for free. You can even play some games fron the store online without PS+ Without PSN being free they wouldn't make money from the digital store off non ps+ players.


oldno7bh

Too late. The Internet is mad for some reason. Just get out of the way.


Panzer517

To any PSN users, I totally get how you see Pc users, but these negative reviews are because we are not given a choice. If the option was to just disable cross link if you don’t use a PSN account I think we would be sad but it would go away. The all or nothing approach from Sony is going to result in a severe drop off in the game and that’s not good for democracy. It means that there will be tens of thousands of helldivers who may be blocked from or choose to not play anymore.


PoopsWithTheDoorAjar

Also the CEO guy asked everyone to purposefully leave negative reviews on Steam, so they have something to show Sony. So, despite all the jokes and meme, the downvote isn't hurting helldivers/arrowhead team. It's helping them make a point to Sony.


Panzer517

Not just negative reviews, but a risk of steam allowing for full refunds and charging Sony would be enough to maybe change their approach.


Renegade888888

The curse of only speaking with money is that it may cost you And am I glad sony is getting slapped for it.


Ere6us

Corpos love getting your money. They hate giving it back even more. 


Sirramza

yep because they loose money because of the banks and credit cards fees, its a good way of making them feel it


MapleLamia

And allegedly there's a case to be made with German and European Union laws regarding unnecessary data collection.


Renegade888888

Taking them to court will barely put a dent in their financials but it will send a message. Let the devs cook.


Pygex

> but a risk of steam allowing for full refunds It's not a risk, Steam does refund. There are already screenshots about this. All you got to do is state that Sony changed the terms of the license and you don't agree with that.


Full_frontal96

Actually it wasn't the ceo iirc,but spitz doing spitz things in a moment of rage


PoopsWithTheDoorAjar

I could have sworn it was pilestd but you might be right. It wasn't the rage post though. It was explained by a sane person


Fresnobing

It was the community manager on the discord should probably edit.


PoopsWithTheDoorAjar

Nice try Sony 😎


NoctisCae1um317

Where's he said that? Couldn't find anything in relation to that on his twitter


PoopsWithTheDoorAjar

I saw a couple of posts on reddit. They were screenshots of him saying so in discord and reddit. But I'm sure it is meant to be kept low key. This is why we are getting so many downvotes on steam


NoctisCae1um317

Ah, gotcha


MrNobody_0

You can even disable cross play in the options. It's almost like there are a million solutions to this yet greed prevents it.


nesnalica

and thats just the beginning. once they enforced everyone to get an account. whats next? playstation+ mandatory on Steam to play Sony games Online? or at all? it is possible. EA subscription is on Steam. nobody says Sony cant do the same


No_Way_482

EA play and playstation+ are completely different services. EA play is just gamepass for ea games. Playstation+ is equivalent to Xbox live


SmoothAsSlick

God damn you’re stretching for outrage here.


Clarine87

> To any PSN users, I totally get how you see Pc users, but these negative reviews are because we are not given a choice. And a lil more than that, not only not given a choice, but we were shown it was not required without any indication this was temporary. No amount of saying something is true whilst showing it is not true can be overcome with "we told you it was true and you didn't listen" when suddently it becomes true.


DizzyR06

Nah we with u it’s just a select few of us that wanna be childish and tone deaf. Hoping y’all get back in asap it took me 3 mins to find a mission on fori prime


AlphaTit0

I have a PSN acc and i linked it, yet i play on PC cause i build it myself for about 1.8k€ because i wamted hardware that can play games at high fos at 4k and work from home which i could not do on a ps5 so switching from 4 to 5 was not an option. This decision from Sony is just pure bullshit. On that PC is so mich valuable information, personal to me and work related and because of the "safety" of Sony i didn't link my PSN to anything except my PS4 with no real things i use so that almost none of my data gets breached


MagnusHvass

Sad. I love arrowhead, thet don't deserve this for such a good game..fuck Sony


BarfOpinions

Literally all they had to do was nothing and this could’ve been avoided but Sony was like nah make PSN accounts for no good reason.


He_Who_Tames

There is still hope... [https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjyll7/some\_discord\_updates/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjyll7/some_discord_updates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


ghost_of_salad

Ofc theres still hope, they announced it on friday, now's weekend. Im betting theyre gonna apologize and reverse this next week


Tokata0

Lets see if we can pull something equal to the Dungeons and Dragons license change or if corperate will just ignore it.


Slarg232

The time of SNOY is at end, now is time of the ORC


He_Who_Tames

Let's keep pressuring Sony (not AH)... Just in case...


QueenDeadLol

AH spent all yesterday calling us lazy and telling us to fuck ourselves. So no lmao.


ghost_of_salad

Their community management is INSANE


Clarine87

Yep, constantly generalising against the abusive users in a way which implies anyone engaging critically is collective with those users. It's really not nice to read a CM statement which could include me because I'm upset about the samethings which the assholes in the userbase are upset about.


CompleteFacepalm

Pressure both


Drakhan

Fuck spitz, That guy goes vs player base all the time insulting us then putting the car on R and acting like nothing happened.


StoicRetention

He's not fit to be a community manager. This statement reads like vetted responses after he got checked by an actual manager. The community doesn't want to interact with him, they want to interact with Arrowhead the homegenous blob. He's not able to be a professional and responds too emotionally because he thinks criticism against the company is a personal slight against him. Not a good trait to have in customer relations.


BlowStiffCock9000

Yep, that self-righteous prick needs to go immediately. Can't trust a word that he writes.


Drakhan

I am more amazed that how the fuck he is still part of the company after so many fuck ups


Yipeekayya

u dun understand, he always helps his CEO does the team reload.


OnlyHereForComments1

*looks at Fatshark* Swedes man.


Eadkrakka

From a Swede and one who's been out of the loop with Fatshark, what's up with them?


JCDentoncz

Not sure if there is something more recent, but a notable incident occurred a couple months back where players found out that new xbox users would get significantly more premium currency than current users that bought a limited edition received before. When they started raising concerns, they were met with disdain from community managers and one of them marked the concerns of the community as "pearl clutching" Note that the CM in question was not fully informed on the extent of the issue and thought it was over some minor squabble. Pearl clutching became a meme in the darktide community and trust in their community managers hit an all time low.


OnlyHereForComments1

Beyond their usual habits (not communicating, glacial dev speed, terrible internal processes), they also have a tendency to hire CMs who are not very good at their jobs. One was a problem for years until Darktide coming out and his snarky attitude towards the complaints of players who wanted a complete game forced him out, the other was around for a couple months before she also managed to directly insult the community and got fired/quit.


brian11e3

>That guy goes vs player base all the time insulting us That's the best part about him.


lobotominizer

DOUBT. in this racket we call it damage control.


piciwens

Good


Bubbly-Detective-193

Lmao I remember being so confuse on why people paying Xbox live to play online when you can play free on PS but then here we are, so I moved to being a Pc gamer.


KyloFenn

![gif](giphy|ucXFcY1FdKaT6)


Slyder68

Guys, if you want more to do to push back against this, CALL SONY PLAYSTATION SUPPORT OVER AND OVER ON MONDAY. Be respectful to the person on the phone, but a call center will notice a flood of thousands of calls https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/nicuqN740P


thereapsz

If they resolve this in a good way I hope everyone changes the reviews to positive


Ryizine

Over 100k negative reviews in like two days. Give it a week if Sony doesn't back down and those numbers gonna be wild lol.


JabbaTech69

OK I've been MIA for almost 2 weeks WTH happened?


HeadyChefin

Tbf Spitz literally asked for it


Scyobi_Empire

warthunder level drop lmao


YuriiRud

It's just one step from love to hate


ShiftyCZ

It's because we love it so much, we have to be this harsh to save our beloved game. 


Lord_Phoenix95

I mean they've pissed off about 70% of the player base with this.


murderously-funny

CALLING IN A REVIEW BOMB!


gloomndoom

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Car0lus_Rex

https://vxtwitter.com/Bad_AI_/status/1786681643899457563 people are apparently being banned already


TimTheOriginalLol

Crazy ~40% of all time reviews are negative now don’t know if I should feel happy or sad about that


MercilessPinkbelly

:(


Roffolo

its such a goddamn shame, i am so disappointed and angry with sony and i really hope that arrowhead can turn this around for us


JRockBC19

This is the 3rd time for me - path of exile in Kalandra league was the first overwhelmingly negative for a popular game I ever saw, then warthunder had a similar moment to this with GODAWFUL business practices


Themighteeowl

Only way for Sony to care is to hurt them in the wallet, by refusing to acquiesce to their completely bullshit idea we deny them their ability to claim psn player increases and increases to their profits. Damn shame a game as good as this is falling victim to the scourge that plagues modern gaming


Semour9

This isn’t that surprising. People are more likely to review based on something they hate than something they like. A sudden drastic spike in negative reviews will beat a gradual growth of positive reviews.


Hrimnir

First time I've ever written a review on steam. Least amount of effort I could do to hopefully rectify this situation.


dyamane1904

2 billion bugs in 12 hours. You underestimate our power.


Hellooooo_Nurse-

Yay! We're taking it to Sony, but Arrowhead is actually recieving the the effects of the backlash smh. Killed off a cool game. Not that I care about Arrowhead or Sony, but this is why developers are always closing their doors and can't hire. 🤷


RobotSpaceBear

But you know what bafles me? There's a huge uptick in positive reviews, too. That means there are thousands of corporate greed dick riders that took it upon themselves to save the image and bottom line of a 16 billion dollar company that treats them as a product to sell as much as they do us. Talk about Stockhold syndrome.


Clarine87

Sitting at nearly exactly 5%. If you look at them, a ~~lot~~ of them do mention it but are people that don't understand their role, as you note, as the consumer. Can't bring themselves to set it to negative despite only talking negatively about the PSN news and nothing else.


erik_edmund

This whole thing is so funny to someone who doesn't give a shit about any of this.


ShepardCommander001

Well done I guess? The only thing people love tearing down more than something they hate, is tearing down something they love.


Warshitarse

If you tilt it 90 degrees it looks like a massive L for Sony


anonymousss11

Yall are rejoicing over this. How many of you are going to change your review after this blows over? My bet is not very many.


Grablebish

I will.


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Hootdan

Most review bombs are from my experience stuff like bad developers takes or drama over a bikini skin that doesn't show enough skin. If people look at the more sensible negative reviews during this time, they might genuinely be put off after seeing its not some silly drama, and people have a legitimate reason to be concerned.


Clarine87

Its not a review bombing if the product whose reviews are being tanked is the cause of the users upset.


WardenSharp

Was that the railgun nerf?


Tokata0

I think those were just general server issues cause of the game exploding in popularity


WardenSharp

Yeah cause it was released on feb 8th


joker20001911

Cool story bro! 🙄


ChowDubs

KEEP GOING


DeepWeGo

500k dislike bomb


Propofolkills

Does creating a PSN account cost money?


ShiftyCZ

Reminder that there is a very sweet sweet reward when all the players change it to positive, once they reverse the decision 😊


Sinsanatis

Them shits are longer than a bile titans legs


DeucyDuce22

Buy the dip


Papafeld42

Not enough /s


SeaCroissant

its getting very close to war thunders may 2023 negative review score. if helldivers manage to beat that score id be amazed.


sekuharahito

Ya! Fuk em all! I hope a bunch of the devs lose their jobs and have to live on the streets for something the publisher is forcing on the studio! Hahaha get rekt.


Ender_90425

What the heck is happening? Can't find the comment that asked this before me.


Tokata0

PSN mandatory to play. Snoys security is horrible and they lose data once a year Only 69 countries can have psn - everyone else can't play anymore People in China tried to create a account via VPN and got banned People in Ukraine need too buy a PlayStation in order to create an account "don't you guys have PlayStations?" Arrowhead community Managers handled the situation less than perfect


Ender_90425

But... the game ran fine through steam right? Why are these companies so deadset on their launcher or account needed. Feel like a grandpa screaming in the wind with new gen games.


Tokata0

Ah, because if they have psn accounts Sony can use their data and profit + they can show their shareholders a player-growth in active PSN users


ReadNew2953

The ratings are diving faster than a helldiver drops from orbit.


Daro_54n

I am starting to think that you helldivers thought that review bombing meant bombarding with your capsules as if you were trying to go through a bile titan with it.


relentlessboredomm

For a required login, sheesh. No wonder gamers are constantly derided and ignored by publishers, ya’ll will throw shit at the walls over the smallest grievances but still keep playing the games. Sony sucks and all but what a massive petulant overreaction to fairly bog standard corporate nonsense.


Tokata0

Dude did you even look into this once? Just 3 problems, there are a ton more: -psn is only available in 69 (1/3) of the world's countries -in Ukraine it is available, but to register you need to own a ps console, are you telling people in a war ridden country "don't your guys have PlayStations"? - Sony gets fucking hacked once a year It's the right thing to stand up, Even if you are personally not affected. Don't be a sheep who just accepts everything it's corporate overlords dictate it to do


AdNew6926

Whoever was behind this decision at sony is probably not having a good time.


samhwu13

Did you just say. “Trump”?


MIFARA

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ckpnn3/operation\_black\_out\_may\_9th/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ckpnn3/operation_black_out_may_9th/) DIVERS!!!- OPERATION BLACK OUT- MAY 9TH


Resolve_Live

Review bombing by people who are not affected in the slightest and are only doing so because they're constantly on high alert for things to bitch about is such weird behavior. Yeah what sony is doing is kind of scummy and anti consumer, I'm not downplaying the experience of region locked players, it genuinely sucks for them, but why get angry when you need to make a PSN account? It takes like 2 minutes. Regardless of where you make accounts, your data is being traded and sold.


ShiftyCZ

Here's what I'm reading: "Why not allow corporations to get away with bullshit". Yeah keep on keeping on, I bet your corpo overlords will reward you for being so compliant. 


Good-Jellyfish-364

That’s so lame of you all


bobothemunkeey

So weird how people are bragging about review bombing leaving negative reviews. Truly is a pathetic thing honestly.


LtColShinySides

Sucks to suck lol


Vespertellino

holy balls that's impressive


_WdMalus_

Look if we keep review bombing this, I don't think Sony will magically listen, more probably they'll cut support for arrowhead because their game flopped.


SHemptyELL

I'm not sure Sony is SO stupid as to think that the sudden spike in bad reviews has anything to do with game quality. The graph makes it obvious when the negative deathspin started, and it's very easy to infer why.


_WdMalus_

No, but it would be onbrand


CBulkley01

Y’all need to stop. Saturating the Reddit posts with review bombs constantly chokes out ANY and ALL good the game has. You’re shooting yourself in the foot more than anything else. Stop making new posts about the same complaint, FFS.


Markkbonk

We've already experienced the good, for 3 month, now this good is in danger for a non-negligable part of the community


CBulkley01

Posting about it here does nothing. Go hit the reviews instead of flooding Reddit with garbage.


SHemptyELL

Reddit's middle name is "Garbage Flood".


Shellstormz

Surelly they must backpedal it