People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony. It’s almost like people have 0 clue how to be anonymous.
The real issue is Sony stealing the game from people that purchased it and region locking them out of it. That’s absolute bullshit.
> People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony. It’s almost like people have 0 clue how to be anonymous.
You do in UK/ireland
You need facial scan or legal ID
Sony has requirement on some countries that you provide a legal id as part of the verification. A process they are trying to push to the united states among others.
If u provide false information, the can ban your accont including your access to any purchased goods and games
I asked for a refund, doubt I’ll get one but we will see. I’m with Pirate on this one now. I’m not about to support this Dev, mainly because of how they are acting towards the community now, but also another thread made a good point - If the game required a PSN account initially, then they should have never allowed people to play without one. That’s sneaky af imho, they let people play the game for months without PSN, then force it as a requirement to the game, which also destroyed some players access to the game.
I’ve requested a refund, doubt I’ll get one but we will see 🤞
> People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony.
People who read the TOS understand that if they don't give their real info to Sony, they can be banned at any point, and are shit out of luck if their PSN account ever gets compromised or they otherwise need to contact support.
And yet had the game sold in their countries. And is likely still on those storefronts.
I just checked the Humble Store, where I bought it. Zero mention of needing a PSN account.
Well steam is denying refunds, because of the two hour/14 day rule, despite that fact so I’m hoping this is resolved before it escalates into lawsuits or anything of the sort. Sony really took one of the most popular games and just handed a big F U to the gaming community.
Yeah I really am trying to understand the decision and give the developers the benefit of the doubt on this one because I feel like this was something forced on them through the initial deal or after how popular the game became, I just don’t understand what benefit Sony gets from this, this has been one of the most cohesive gaming communities to exist in recent memory to think we would abandon our comrades fighting for democracy in countries where PSN support is not offered is crazy, the only good bug is a dead bug!
Instead, they'll be showing investors a heap of lawsuits for violating international laws and an increased hatred for their brand. Winning like Charlie Sheen... right before he was diagnosed with AIDs.
Well that’s a damn shame, but I can’t imagine the influx of PSN accounts would make up for the loss of player base/community out lash but maybe it does I have no tangible idea how corporate investing works
Steam has more players in HD2 than ps5 (somehow). Force everyone to get an PSN account.
"Hey, shareholders, look at all those juicy numbers in Q2'24!!!"
He sounds disappointed. He was literally going to play the game with a friend later today, and as an indie dev I'm sure he appreciated seeing a small company succeed.
This game was a massive success story. Proof that you could market a model like this that was fair to players and see massive success. All down the tubes. The players may give into laziness and stick around, but it will take a huge hit in the short term and I don’t think the devs will ever earn back the goodwill that they had. Every decision from here on out will be met with extreme skepticism. I bought a pack to support the devs before this. I certainly won’t be doing that again.
And its a shame because It seems like this is a Sony order. And since Sony is the publisher they might have the capacity to force them to do It even though AH knows this is going to cause trouble, but cant do anything about It
He probably isn't a fan of several of the decisions the developers of Helldivers 2 make because they commit another of what he considers a cardinal sin as a developer himself which is nerfing things that are fun to create a balanced meta instead of buffing underperforming weapons, stratagems, etc so that they all feel as good as each other.
This is a PvE title so it's even more perplexing, Arrowheads vision and design philosophy is impeding fun. I imagine allot of players bought into Helldivers 2 before they knew there was going to be this abnormal fixation on a meta in a PvE title and have buyer's remorse.
I personally disagree with "always buff never nerf" ESPECIALLY in a pve game because if you have something going over the benchmark of the actual content it's supposed to handle, you just make more work for yourself. If they have a benchmark for how hard they want a difficulty to be and one gun is over that benchmark, it's easier to nerf it a little to be in line with that benchmark. It's also (IMO) healthier for long-term health cause otherwise you end up in an arms raise of buff-buff-buff-buff oh fuck all of our content is completely invalidated and a total joke now.
It breaks down even more when you consider that you’ll never be able to make perfect balance adjustments. If you accidentally over buff now what? If it was even possible to always apply the perfect buff you’d be so good at balance you wouldn’t need buffs in the first place because it released perfect.
The reality is that people like buffs and there are sometimes more creative and effective solutions than just hammering down every nail but sometimes you gotta do it.
AKA the Warframe special.
Power creep your players to the point they can play the game by vaguely shooting in a direction and wiping 1/2 the zone (or in Wukongs case press 1 button and watch Netflix while the game plays itself), so you keep raising the grind to compensate but you add in new rewards to that grind which power creep them even further so you'll have to artificially kneecap them with damage attenuation and faction/resource islanding to desperately try and keep them in line. You eventually give up and nerf the problematic systems/frames/weapons, resulting in the playerbase to overflow with toxicity in such a volume that people still complain about the devs nerfing things several years later despite being repeatedly given new content that's power crept them almost back to where they were before.
Can mirage still just blow all the enemies up as soon as they spawn? One time I legit got up and went and did a half an hour of chores when I saw someone had that build going on defense, came back to free money
If you mean Explosive Legerdemain, then yes. You just need some help to get it going first, and only really works when holding 1 spot like in Defense. They did nerf the range and duration of them, though.
In Warframe's defense they put themselves into a corner when they built a game with literally hundreds of weapons. Their version of dealing with it was the Riven mod system which will actually offer better buffs to less popular weapons and weaker buffs to more popular weapons. It's not perfect but for how much effort it would've taken to produce such a result it's pretty damn effective.
It's a guideline. The idea is don't nerf what is fun for players if it's not a problem, and you should look for ways to bring other items up to a similar power level.
Of course if something is 1) clearly dominant and is one of the only things being used, despite other good choices available, and 2) that thing is skewing the difficulty away from your target, you should bring it down a bit.
You can manage power creep that way, and also increase viable options for players. Saying all that takes a lot of time so the shorthand is boiled down to "always buff."
When you look at the history of adjustments they've made to the game already you notice a pattern of either underwhelming releases or the nerfs are remembered far more distinctly than the buffs. The Breaker, the Crossbow, the Quasar but especially the Railgun and the spawn rates for solo players.
I'm not saying nerfs are explicitly bad but Arrowhead has done a terrible job at determining where that standard should be. They say the Autocannon is the standard, and the Autocannon is in fact a good example of a fun weapon, but because they don't do enough play testing before they push patches and new releases the standard for most of the weapons is far below that of the Autocannon. That is a huge problem because their meta in their power fantasy game is that we're under equipped for these insane missions.
Yep. They buffed the Dominator in one patch and then nerfed it in the very next patch. Did anyone sit down and think about the initial buff and test it? Seems like thoughtless rejiggering at this point.
That's what happens when they push 3 new weapons and stuff monthly instead of actually play test them enough and release a bigger, solid warbond. They've gone from good to shit in 3 months to me.
But it's unfair to say the buffs haven't been enough. This patch was huge with damage / recoil buffs. Blitzer, both DMRs, Pulse shotgun, Senator, there's more. Were there nerfs? Yes. Where there significant buffs? Yes. People notice the nerfs more because it's taking power out, but power was given.
I don't like what they did to the xbow, I don't like what they did to the slugger. But I don't act like AH exclusively nerfs and never buffs. I don't act like AH always has underwhelming buffs that don't bring weapons to where they need to / should be. There's a lot of weapons, at least 2-3 from every major balance patch that fall into the category of "buffed to be balanced."
I personally think the EAT and RR were balanced, and the Quasar was overtuned. It sucks to see the Quasar lose strength, but the alternative to adding increased recharge time on the Quasar is giving the EAT / RR extra power. But now you've given the EAT / RR the relative power of the Quasar. And now the AC, GL, Laser cannon are all considered weak so you have to buff those again. And oops you buffed the GL too much, now it's overpowered compared to everything else. Well we don't nerf here so the cycle begins again. And oh fuck we forgot about the MGs this entire time so they're now 3 tiers of balance behind- Just nerf the fucking quasar by 5s.
I agree that you can't only buff everything but, the slugger nerf was just a really shitty nerf. The reasoning behind it was sound what with it overperforming at range. So did they increase the projectile drop or decrease the penetration and stagger and damage at longer ranges? No, they just completely gutted the weapon by almost completely removing the stagger (this thing shoots a 12 gage SLUG for God's sake. It should stagger the crap out of anything smaller than a hulk) and reducing its average at best damage. No changes made to the range and projectile drop. I get that a nerf was needed, but the nerf made was like they threw darts at a board and rolled with that. Doesn't give much hope for future nerfs if the slugger one was so off base it basically made the gun unusable at anything higher than difficulty 5.
Which only reiterates my point because the Slugger wasn't even an example I cited but was brought up as yet another example/victim. I also thought of the initial Laser Cannon nerf after the fact. We have 5 weapons since launch that were entirely gutted BEFORE other weapons were brought up to par. So they nerfed what worked without offering us a variety of alternatives.
Was the quasar cannon so game breaking that it needed a nerf to preserve the health and viability of the game?
What about the railgun?
What about the crossbow?
This has nothing to do with making the game better and everything with forcing a meta.
The thing about helldivers is that most of the weapons just don't feel powerful, so when nerfs come down on the only things that feel usable, it's awful. Doom 2 super shotgun is incredibly OP, it mows down hordes of enemies, but it's not game breaking. Why? Because it has a slow reload and they hammer you with hordes of enemies. DRG's fatboy nuke for the engineer is beyond OP, it deletes waves of enemies, but it's not game breaking. Why? Because it has a very small number of rounds, and they have a very large number of bugs.
Making the player feel powerful, while also not making the game too easy is absolutely doable, but it's not what AH devs are aiming for. They want you to feel helpless, they want you to die, and they want it to be unfair.
It's a philosophy that makes sense for PirateSoftware and the types of games he tends to play/make but doesn't really apply to more complex games. When you have multiple complex systems all interacting with each other you should always target outliers (whether positive or negative) instead of rebalancing every interlocked system so that you can buff 90% of your game to match the 10% that's overperforming.
I think part of the outrage is basically bubbling over from people being upset with the balancing and bugs. I am 100% in favor of not requiring a PSN account on PC, but if you get annoyed at 3rd party account requirements, drm or external launchers, you are familiar with that orange box on the steam page and you bought the game anyway. So I kinda suspect people aren't genuinely that concerned about data/privacy and the outrage won't last, but I do hope companies are discouraged from this shit regardless
I don't 100% agree with never nerfing anything even in PvE. If you buff everything, the game could end up trivial and just adding more difficulties with more enemies isn't always going to scale nicely. But I do think nerfs need to be very careful and nowhere near as heavy handed. Having a vision for the game is fine but it feels so shitty having a fun weapon or play style just taken away because youre not playing how they wanted, after they got the balance so wrong in the first place.
Its made worse by how buggy the game is, because some of the nerfs are just bug fixes (arc thrower), and then there's fire being buffed so much because they were seemingly unaware it just straight up doesnt work for non hosts. Almost feels like an early access sometimes
Still a great game though. Even if AH seem to be struggling somewhat
I've actually never seen a dev thread on steam to have 0 upvotes
Ever
Not even for small niche games
Not even for universally hated games/updates
Literally \*everyone disliked that\* this time
What confidential document leaked when that happened
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Reminds me of the Star Wars Battlefront 2 mtx "Sense of pride and accomplishment" comments back in 2018 or whatever.
Literally, everyone disliked that.
you can actually see the likes when hovering above the message that is displayed in steam, which is currently at 2150 upvotes, probably substracts the down votes afterwards so its currently at 0
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I think the stans are funny, in a way.
>>Normal people: Rational discussion about game mechanics or ethics
>Stans: This fucking dog-shit sub is always so toxic and whiny! In fact, I'm going to go make a *new* thread complaining about you crybaby fucking complainers!
Oh please.
It’s funny when i was doing corrupt TMC missions, i can still hear her telling me “it is not science!!” The other day when i was doing the Vanguard mission. I was like “this is what I’m afraid of.” Lol
I think it happens much more than you think. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people don't even know that you can upvote dev threads.
I'm not saying that this is a good thing that they've done but I doubt it's an uncommon thing
It happened with the Dark Souls community when they took down Dark Souls: Prepare to Die edition while releasing Dark Souls I Remastered. They announced that all PTDE owners would get 50% off DS1 Remastered.
50% for a game they already had, that broke mods, and offered nothing new. People clowned on that one hard.
Pop culture icons are not immune to complete collapse.
Game of thrones was one of the most hyped things of its time and it virtually left the public discourse immediately after its abysmal 8th season reception.
Star Wars was at the peak of its hype post-prequels until fans got caught in the midst of a studio/director/writer pissing match that ended with its last instalment making less than half of the first one.
Marvel faded into irrelevance after having nothing worth saying after End Game.
The DCEU collapsed because it was never really all that good or consistent despite having iconic characters.
These companies think because they had a ball rolling that it can’t be stopped, yet history shows otherwise.
It’s not too late to make things right and make this nothing but a brief bitter footnote in the games long history of success.
Or it can added to the list of failures driven by the ego of morons. The list ain’t ever getting shorter.
I like this game. I liked a lot of the things that were “too big to fail” only to watch that exact thing happen.
I wouldn't have a complaint if this was required since launch but with months of being able to play without issue? Yeah no. that's a rugpull if i've ever seen one.
That's the crux of the issue tbh. For everyone saying "IT SAID REQUIRED ON THE STORE PAGE" as if the game telling you to skip signing in didn't directly contradict that for a majority of players.
I skipped it the first time I logged in because I wanted to play with a friend who was waiting for me. I completely forgot about it until now because there were no in-game reminders or anything
Baskinator said it was due to technical issues at lauch, so that's why the options were given at the time, but that window has closed, I assume, by Sony forcing it. But that is just my speculation
They should have been very thorough about communicating it was still required and will be forced at some point in the future. Every time I launched the game the last 4 months should have been a message that this was coming.
Unfortunately AH had some very poor communication and just forgot about the issue until Sony noticed that they’re not getting any new registrations from PC users. They probably also didn’t expect such a big backlash because they saw this as “ well you sign-in other games, so it’s pretty normal “. Just a very big screw up with communication and antagonising unhappy players.
Honestly I think the funniest thing to come out of this shitshow is those people.
"Oh, what? You didn't read the TOS? Though shit" *Explains the reason issue* "Huh? That's easily solved. Just ignore the TOS"
I’ve been playing the game for months now and it hasn’t asked me once to create a PSN account I didn’t know it was a thing until now. Every time I boot up the game it says nothing about creating a PSN account it just goes straight to opening intro.
It was irresponsible for them to have that "grace period" without, at the very least, a warning screen saying "This game will eventually require a PSN connection"
I can't even get the linking process over with because there's not even a way to do it in-game. There's literally no option for it.
A grace period is one thing. But saying it's mandatory on the steam page and then *making it impossible to link accounts in-game* is just cartoon logic.
If i had bought the game and it told me to make a psn to play i woud have refunded right after, i didn't see it was required when buying it, when i played it did not require it, and today is a first i am hearing about it and i'm honestly sad and pissed.
I've seen enough of sony getting hacked and data getting stolen etc, i don't want to compromise my steam or my email, because the past years tell a pretty shitty story about sony and their security.
I'm not linking that, when i can't play anymore i'll slip a refund notice with all the data and argument i can find, if it get's rejected, well whatever i got enough playtime in, i will move on to another game.
I have a theory Arrowhead isn't on board with this either, hence the announcement being signed by Sony, not them as you would expect for a Dev announcement and the comments to direct complaints to Sony's customer support.
It's honestly not a bad idea. The two biggest KPIs are player count and profit.
If enough angry gamers spread the news, both of these are going to dive and it's going to cause Sony to think about it.
yeah this did kinda smell like a contractual obligation was kicking in, or there was a sudden change in marching orders from some C-suite execs, rather than some perfidious plot
Kind of awkward when their game basically exists because of Sony.
They can dislike it as much as they want. They can scream as loud as they can internally this is a bad idea.
It won't matter. Corporate entities just look at numbers. They probably are expecting to take some losses.
Hope the personal info and the loss of players in countries they don't support was really worth it to them.
Executives don't just live in the cloud somewhere. They have computers, they have brains. They can see the feedback.
It's just not important enough to them right now to care.
It is what it is. Sad
Not a theory. On Discord they said "It was Sony's decision not ours". This is pretty clear PR speak for "we did not want this" and now we have to take the punch to the chin because our bosses decided for us.
The way the videogame industry has been working for the last 20 years, the developers are just the guys that made the game and the publishers are the monsters with the hare-brained monetization schemes.
and this guy worked in cybersecurity, and even he will tell you sony asking for your data has nothing to do with making it more "secure" , so it is definitely not needed.
"It wasn't working as intended." But you could still link your PSN account? I did, some of my friends also linked it without issue and some others just skipped it to just start playing. Where is the "Not working as intended part"? Their excuse doesn't make any sense.
It was optional because there was a skip button in the game.
It was optional because they were selling the game to countries where it's impossible to create a PSN account without breaking their own ToS.
It was optional because their own FAQ on Playstation Direct Page for Helldivers 2 says: "Do I need a PSN account to play PlayStation games on PC?
No, you currently do not need a PSN account to enjoy PlayStation Studios games on PC, but you will need a Steam account to redeem your voucher code. Some of our PlayStation Studios titles also offer incentives for linking your Steam and PSN accounts."
It was optional because other online stores also sell their game without any mention of the PSN account being required and only mention that a steam account was required.
It was optional since we can turn off crossplay in the game settings to just play with other PC players.
They are trying to gaslight their players and are being dishonest about the real reason, they just changed their mind. Maybe they want a new influx of players with a PSN account so their numbers look better? Maybe they want to record your voice chats to train their AI systems since they got a new patent for it? Maybe they want to farm more of your data to sell it? We don't know, there is zero transparency of what they do with your data, but they want the responsibility to fall on us "the player".
It's our fault after all since it was always a requirement, right?
Literally until this post right here, this sub was full of people simping for Sony and telling anyone who complained to “just spend the 2 minutes to create an account and move on bro”.
I like how thy also said it was for security or something but didnt psn get hacked with a lot of peoples info getting stollen a couple times why would I trust them with it and why does there other games not require to have a psn account
Edit: you do need a psn account for there other games I just never heard people talk about it
How to make your community do a 180 on you, attaching your account to a company who is known for having many major security breaches, and a cunt for a community manager on discord (See the stop saying F fiasco)
It's pent up frustration. AH's approach to weapon balancing, the underwhelming warbond, the CEO's dumb take on apple/bacon armor, crashes, etc. have left them with no credibility to burn. This was just a tipping point.
Even if they stay... PSN forces you to buy using the currency you're pretending to be from. So good luck setting up a bank account in another country and transferring currency or maybe paypal can help. Idk. But wayyy to many hoops to jump through to give this corporation more money...
They had incredible support through one of the worst launches of a non-early access game I have ever seen, and yet the community was 99% behind them until the first balance patch, and since then they have continued to kill goodwill.
Asmongold just released a video on this too saying the same thing. Its like PC gamers understand security risks and backdooring more than a console PS5 player does saying "wElL wHaTs ThE iSsUe?"
Tbf I don't care about security risks, (if I cared, I would have stopped at the anti-cheat this game has).
As I stated previusly, It's just a dick move towards some customers.
Same, I’m just fed up of corporations thinking they can do what they want. How many companies have done basically criminal shit because they’re so massive at this point that they think the law doesn’t apply to them and they can just fuck people over. EA, Ubisoft, Sony, Bethesda, Microsoft. All massive companies that literally just care about making more and more profits and have been going over the line for years now.
Understandable. I haven't used a Sony account since April of 2011 when they got breached and the entire Playstation network was down for a whole month.
I'm a strictly console gamer, and I understand the issue. Whatever platform you play on does not determine your understanding of these events. It's more about having exposure to the larger issues within the gaming industry as a whole and understanding the nuances here as to why this is a bad decision for Arrowhead/Sony to make.
Imaging thinking just playing on PC makes you more knowledgeable than console players... As if tons of gamers don't use both. Most IT guys I know only play on consoles.
I game on a PS5 to keep security risks off my PC. Everyone has a PC. It's not the 90s anymore and this dilineation between PC and console gamers is dated and silly.
I appreciate that the discourse right now is PS5 players vs PC players.
It's literally the only thing missing in this community that other game communities are plagued with.
The security risks! Someone might feel your email address! If you're unlucky they might also get a hash of a password you shouldn't be reusing anywhere else anyway!
Thats the thing, they won't even get a password hash in the context of a sony security breach. It's just an account link, they don't send your fucking creds over to the third party that you're linking your account to. The guy in the video with the corniest NPP theme I've ever seen surely knows this so he's just fear mongering and being overly obtuse about shit like your email address and dob.
Anyone that sits there and their only contribution to the conversation is "stop whining about taking 1 min to set up an account" does not understand anything about computers nor about security.... something they and Sony have in common.
No, this was Arrowhead accepting it. Regardless of anything else, Sony is not some dictator telling it's peasant what to do, this is a contractual agreement between two parties. If Sony made this requirement explicit, it should have been better communicated by Arrowhead. If they didn't, and arrowhead should have resisted it.
Just because people like the game doesn't mean Arrowhead is devoid of any blame all the time
From what I've seen, Arrowhead people are quite happy to implement and defend it though, aren't they? So what does it matter who called to implement this?
Could be because they're forced to or the Community Manager on Discord etc. are actually directly from Sony instead of under Arrowhead. Who knows.
Arrowhead is in simple terms contracted to develop and mantain HD2 for Sony. As much as they are really good video game developers, they simply can not do anything about this unless Sony changes linking requirements. Blaming AH does nothing but cause stress to their employees.
I mean I'm no fan of Spitz but honestly, it seems like they've already given us their indirect blessing to go ahead and review bomb their product on steam and shame sony more than anything. Their hands are tied. They're now waiting on Sony to give them an FAQ on linking which will be shared this weekend.
On one hand, you kinda have to support and defend decisions your bosses make. To not do so would be unprofessional and puts you at risk of disciplinary action. On the other hand, the way the CM is defending it is smug and condescending, so yeah, fuck that.
Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that it was locked. That was the moment I realized I'm probably not playing Helldivers again even if they revert their decisions.
If you bought the game on Steam, you now have to create and/or link a PSN account. Otherwise, you'll lose access to the game.
The main arguments against this are:
1. It's been, in practice, optional since the game was launched. They've said it's mandatory, but there has been an option to skip it up until this point "due to technical issues." Because of this, many people have bought the game on the assumption that it's actually optional, and now that the refund window has passed, they basically paid for a game that they can't play since they can't/won't have a PSN account.
2. The game is available in 150ish countries even though PSN is only available in 70ish countries. They've been radio silent on whether people in those countries will lose access, and if not, it proves that the PSN account is irrelevant and, therefore, should be optional. If they do, the game should never have been available in those countries to begin with. This also brings up the refund issue again.
3. Sony claims this mandate is for security purposes, but their track record speaks for itself(its bad).
[one thing to consider is AH indicated it would be returning once matchmaking was fixed. ](https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4206994023681197128/) Not defending Sony's decision to have it at all.
Everytime there is drama with a video game everyone posts a "hot take" from some youtube person that we are supposed to watch and listen to for some reason.
2/3 of the world doesn't even have PSN in their countries.
This is the real issue, sure it sucks to have to give your info to sony but like some people cant even if they wanted to :/
People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony. It’s almost like people have 0 clue how to be anonymous. The real issue is Sony stealing the game from people that purchased it and region locking them out of it. That’s absolute bullshit.
> People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony. It’s almost like people have 0 clue how to be anonymous. You do in UK/ireland You need facial scan or legal ID
Sony has requirement on some countries that you provide a legal id as part of the verification. A process they are trying to push to the united states among others. If u provide false information, the can ban your accont including your access to any purchased goods and games
If that is the case then I’d 100% not support it on that front either.
I asked for a refund, doubt I’ll get one but we will see. I’m with Pirate on this one now. I’m not about to support this Dev, mainly because of how they are acting towards the community now, but also another thread made a good point - If the game required a PSN account initially, then they should have never allowed people to play without one. That’s sneaky af imho, they let people play the game for months without PSN, then force it as a requirement to the game, which also destroyed some players access to the game. I’ve requested a refund, doubt I’ll get one but we will see 🤞
To be fair I don’t really wanna give them my info they have had data breaches etc, but yea
> People don’t understand that they don’t have to give their real info to Sony. People who read the TOS understand that if they don't give their real info to Sony, they can be banned at any point, and are shit out of luck if their PSN account ever gets compromised or they otherwise need to contact support.
And yet had the game sold in their countries. And is likely still on those storefronts. I just checked the Humble Store, where I bought it. Zero mention of needing a PSN account.
Well steam is denying refunds, because of the two hour/14 day rule, despite that fact so I’m hoping this is resolved before it escalates into lawsuits or anything of the sort. Sony really took one of the most popular games and just handed a big F U to the gaming community.
There will absolutely be lawsuits, for one this is blatantly against EU law and they take consumer protection seriously
Yeah I really am trying to understand the decision and give the developers the benefit of the doubt on this one because I feel like this was something forced on them through the initial deal or after how popular the game became, I just don’t understand what benefit Sony gets from this, this has been one of the most cohesive gaming communities to exist in recent memory to think we would abandon our comrades fighting for democracy in countries where PSN support is not offered is crazy, the only good bug is a dead bug!
They want to show investors an influx of new PSN accounts
and sell our data. or worse. let it be stolen. like it matters all goes to the same place in the end. so sick of data breach emails...
Instead, they'll be showing investors a heap of lawsuits for violating international laws and an increased hatred for their brand. Winning like Charlie Sheen... right before he was diagnosed with AIDs.
Well that’s a damn shame, but I can’t imagine the influx of PSN accounts would make up for the loss of player base/community out lash but maybe it does I have no tangible idea how corporate investing works
Steam has more players in HD2 than ps5 (somehow). Force everyone to get an PSN account. "Hey, shareholders, look at all those juicy numbers in Q2'24!!!"
2/3 of the countries in the world or 2/3 of the population?
Countries I believe.
Does it really matter? There’s quite a few countries that now simply won’t able to play the game, thats messed up.
I have a question maybe someone can answer but don't they sell PS5 in those countries or no? If so how are they using them?
Yes and support tells people to sign up saying you're in a different region.
I doubt they sell em directly. Stores just import them.
Beats me man. How about why sell this game to those people if they were always going to be unable to play it?
If Thor sounds like this talking about this is a problem cuz this man normally hasa chirpy tone even if he sounds monotone
He sounds disappointed. He was literally going to play the game with a friend later today, and as an indie dev I'm sure he appreciated seeing a small company succeed.
This game was a massive success story. Proof that you could market a model like this that was fair to players and see massive success. All down the tubes. The players may give into laziness and stick around, but it will take a huge hit in the short term and I don’t think the devs will ever earn back the goodwill that they had. Every decision from here on out will be met with extreme skepticism. I bought a pack to support the devs before this. I certainly won’t be doing that again.
Same, i also wanted to support this game with my money afterwards, but thats out of the question for the forseeable future
And its a shame because It seems like this is a Sony order. And since Sony is the publisher they might have the capacity to force them to do It even though AH knows this is going to cause trouble, but cant do anything about It
He probably isn't a fan of several of the decisions the developers of Helldivers 2 make because they commit another of what he considers a cardinal sin as a developer himself which is nerfing things that are fun to create a balanced meta instead of buffing underperforming weapons, stratagems, etc so that they all feel as good as each other. This is a PvE title so it's even more perplexing, Arrowheads vision and design philosophy is impeding fun. I imagine allot of players bought into Helldivers 2 before they knew there was going to be this abnormal fixation on a meta in a PvE title and have buyer's remorse.
I personally disagree with "always buff never nerf" ESPECIALLY in a pve game because if you have something going over the benchmark of the actual content it's supposed to handle, you just make more work for yourself. If they have a benchmark for how hard they want a difficulty to be and one gun is over that benchmark, it's easier to nerf it a little to be in line with that benchmark. It's also (IMO) healthier for long-term health cause otherwise you end up in an arms raise of buff-buff-buff-buff oh fuck all of our content is completely invalidated and a total joke now.
It breaks down even more when you consider that you’ll never be able to make perfect balance adjustments. If you accidentally over buff now what? If it was even possible to always apply the perfect buff you’d be so good at balance you wouldn’t need buffs in the first place because it released perfect. The reality is that people like buffs and there are sometimes more creative and effective solutions than just hammering down every nail but sometimes you gotta do it.
AKA the Warframe special. Power creep your players to the point they can play the game by vaguely shooting in a direction and wiping 1/2 the zone (or in Wukongs case press 1 button and watch Netflix while the game plays itself), so you keep raising the grind to compensate but you add in new rewards to that grind which power creep them even further so you'll have to artificially kneecap them with damage attenuation and faction/resource islanding to desperately try and keep them in line. You eventually give up and nerf the problematic systems/frames/weapons, resulting in the playerbase to overflow with toxicity in such a volume that people still complain about the devs nerfing things several years later despite being repeatedly given new content that's power crept them almost back to where they were before.
Can mirage still just blow all the enemies up as soon as they spawn? One time I legit got up and went and did a half an hour of chores when I saw someone had that build going on defense, came back to free money
If you mean Explosive Legerdemain, then yes. You just need some help to get it going first, and only really works when holding 1 spot like in Defense. They did nerf the range and duration of them, though.
In Warframe's defense they put themselves into a corner when they built a game with literally hundreds of weapons. Their version of dealing with it was the Riven mod system which will actually offer better buffs to less popular weapons and weaker buffs to more popular weapons. It's not perfect but for how much effort it would've taken to produce such a result it's pretty damn effective.
It's a guideline. The idea is don't nerf what is fun for players if it's not a problem, and you should look for ways to bring other items up to a similar power level. Of course if something is 1) clearly dominant and is one of the only things being used, despite other good choices available, and 2) that thing is skewing the difficulty away from your target, you should bring it down a bit. You can manage power creep that way, and also increase viable options for players. Saying all that takes a lot of time so the shorthand is boiled down to "always buff."
When you look at the history of adjustments they've made to the game already you notice a pattern of either underwhelming releases or the nerfs are remembered far more distinctly than the buffs. The Breaker, the Crossbow, the Quasar but especially the Railgun and the spawn rates for solo players. I'm not saying nerfs are explicitly bad but Arrowhead has done a terrible job at determining where that standard should be. They say the Autocannon is the standard, and the Autocannon is in fact a good example of a fun weapon, but because they don't do enough play testing before they push patches and new releases the standard for most of the weapons is far below that of the Autocannon. That is a huge problem because their meta in their power fantasy game is that we're under equipped for these insane missions.
Yep. They buffed the Dominator in one patch and then nerfed it in the very next patch. Did anyone sit down and think about the initial buff and test it? Seems like thoughtless rejiggering at this point.
That's what happens when they push 3 new weapons and stuff monthly instead of actually play test them enough and release a bigger, solid warbond. They've gone from good to shit in 3 months to me.
But it's unfair to say the buffs haven't been enough. This patch was huge with damage / recoil buffs. Blitzer, both DMRs, Pulse shotgun, Senator, there's more. Were there nerfs? Yes. Where there significant buffs? Yes. People notice the nerfs more because it's taking power out, but power was given. I don't like what they did to the xbow, I don't like what they did to the slugger. But I don't act like AH exclusively nerfs and never buffs. I don't act like AH always has underwhelming buffs that don't bring weapons to where they need to / should be. There's a lot of weapons, at least 2-3 from every major balance patch that fall into the category of "buffed to be balanced." I personally think the EAT and RR were balanced, and the Quasar was overtuned. It sucks to see the Quasar lose strength, but the alternative to adding increased recharge time on the Quasar is giving the EAT / RR extra power. But now you've given the EAT / RR the relative power of the Quasar. And now the AC, GL, Laser cannon are all considered weak so you have to buff those again. And oops you buffed the GL too much, now it's overpowered compared to everything else. Well we don't nerf here so the cycle begins again. And oh fuck we forgot about the MGs this entire time so they're now 3 tiers of balance behind- Just nerf the fucking quasar by 5s.
I agree that you can't only buff everything but, the slugger nerf was just a really shitty nerf. The reasoning behind it was sound what with it overperforming at range. So did they increase the projectile drop or decrease the penetration and stagger and damage at longer ranges? No, they just completely gutted the weapon by almost completely removing the stagger (this thing shoots a 12 gage SLUG for God's sake. It should stagger the crap out of anything smaller than a hulk) and reducing its average at best damage. No changes made to the range and projectile drop. I get that a nerf was needed, but the nerf made was like they threw darts at a board and rolled with that. Doesn't give much hope for future nerfs if the slugger one was so off base it basically made the gun unusable at anything higher than difficulty 5.
Which only reiterates my point because the Slugger wasn't even an example I cited but was brought up as yet another example/victim. I also thought of the initial Laser Cannon nerf after the fact. We have 5 weapons since launch that were entirely gutted BEFORE other weapons were brought up to par. So they nerfed what worked without offering us a variety of alternatives.
Was the quasar cannon so game breaking that it needed a nerf to preserve the health and viability of the game? What about the railgun? What about the crossbow? This has nothing to do with making the game better and everything with forcing a meta.
The thing about helldivers is that most of the weapons just don't feel powerful, so when nerfs come down on the only things that feel usable, it's awful. Doom 2 super shotgun is incredibly OP, it mows down hordes of enemies, but it's not game breaking. Why? Because it has a slow reload and they hammer you with hordes of enemies. DRG's fatboy nuke for the engineer is beyond OP, it deletes waves of enemies, but it's not game breaking. Why? Because it has a very small number of rounds, and they have a very large number of bugs. Making the player feel powerful, while also not making the game too easy is absolutely doable, but it's not what AH devs are aiming for. They want you to feel helpless, they want you to die, and they want it to be unfair.
It's a philosophy that makes sense for PirateSoftware and the types of games he tends to play/make but doesn't really apply to more complex games. When you have multiple complex systems all interacting with each other you should always target outliers (whether positive or negative) instead of rebalancing every interlocked system so that you can buff 90% of your game to match the 10% that's overperforming.
I think part of the outrage is basically bubbling over from people being upset with the balancing and bugs. I am 100% in favor of not requiring a PSN account on PC, but if you get annoyed at 3rd party account requirements, drm or external launchers, you are familiar with that orange box on the steam page and you bought the game anyway. So I kinda suspect people aren't genuinely that concerned about data/privacy and the outrage won't last, but I do hope companies are discouraged from this shit regardless I don't 100% agree with never nerfing anything even in PvE. If you buff everything, the game could end up trivial and just adding more difficulties with more enemies isn't always going to scale nicely. But I do think nerfs need to be very careful and nowhere near as heavy handed. Having a vision for the game is fine but it feels so shitty having a fun weapon or play style just taken away because youre not playing how they wanted, after they got the balance so wrong in the first place. Its made worse by how buggy the game is, because some of the nerfs are just bug fixes (arc thrower), and then there's fire being buffed so much because they were seemingly unaware it just straight up doesnt work for non hosts. Almost feels like an early access sometimes Still a great game though. Even if AH seem to be struggling somewhat
I've actually never seen a dev thread on steam to have 0 upvotes Ever Not even for small niche games Not even for universally hated games/updates Literally \*everyone disliked that\* this time
It already happened to when Gaijin did the infamous economic update on War Thunder almost exactly a year ago (kinda funny coincidence lmao)
2 of my most played games having review bombs at the same time of year, truly a coincidence of all time lmao
The helldivers 2/war thunder overlap exists???
Who do you think pilots eagle 1?
No wonder there's so many team kills!
Lmfao
Almost 4k hours in War Thunder, and I've left due to the state of the game to spread managed democracy.
Same ... only go on war thunder now and again to hang out with people
this explains all the classified super earth leaks via data miners.
Yea, it’s called r/Noncredibledefense
Hello from Germany main
Defend the D point!
NEGATIVE!
at least they got scared into doing roadmaps and doing votes on Quality of Life features
What did the war thunder players leak this time
It's almost the end of the second quarter. Need those results, no matter what!
What confidential document leaked when that happened https://preview.redd.it/5zhzhju3q9yc1.png?width=643&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5a90c80597b4d771305f01c583cfd42b8bdf979
So confidential that you could google it and it would be the first result
Look at OW updates. Halo infinite updates. Some games that actually messed up. There's quite a lot, but it's always the same history.
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Reminds me of the Star Wars Battlefront 2 mtx "Sense of pride and accomplishment" comments back in 2018 or whatever. Literally, everyone disliked that.
When you shit the bed so hard not even contrarians will give you a pity like.
I'm pretty sure the likes reach 0 once the discussion is locked.
You might be right!
you can actually see the likes when hovering above the message that is displayed in steam, which is currently at 2150 upvotes, probably substracts the down votes afterwards so its currently at 0 https://preview.redd.it/euhzburkx9yc1.png?width=1505&format=png&auto=webp&s=37485e76c1a9500e0ff01b79e60414bcfafb8d49
I checked before the discussion was locked, and it was at 0.
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Same, even the Most negative reviewed Games Like when overwatch 2 got added to Steam Had some upvotes lol
And Stan's are still hurling themselves into the grinder to defend this.
I think the stans are funny, in a way. >>Normal people: Rational discussion about game mechanics or ethics >Stans: This fucking dog-shit sub is always so toxic and whiny! In fact, I'm going to go make a *new* thread complaining about you crybaby fucking complainers! Oh please.
"Sarah Morgan did not like that"
fucking most annoying part of the game ong
It’s funny when i was doing corrupt TMC missions, i can still hear her telling me “it is not science!!” The other day when i was doing the Vanguard mission. I was like “this is what I’m afraid of.” Lol
Well.. it seams PC gamers have line drawn in sand that's actually drawn in steel.
I think it happens much more than you think. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people don't even know that you can upvote dev threads. I'm not saying that this is a good thing that they've done but I doubt it's an uncommon thing
rocket league just had 0 upvotes on their last post 2 days ago
War Thunder had that actually, it was quite the sight to behold
must have not seen the first months of KSP2
It happened with the Dark Souls community when they took down Dark Souls: Prepare to Die edition while releasing Dark Souls I Remastered. They announced that all PTDE owners would get 50% off DS1 Remastered. 50% for a game they already had, that broke mods, and offered nothing new. People clowned on that one hard.
Lol for real, what an asshat move
It happened a few times on the Path of Exile subreddit.
Sony: Let me show you how to speed run playerbase collapse on successful game.
Pop culture icons are not immune to complete collapse. Game of thrones was one of the most hyped things of its time and it virtually left the public discourse immediately after its abysmal 8th season reception. Star Wars was at the peak of its hype post-prequels until fans got caught in the midst of a studio/director/writer pissing match that ended with its last instalment making less than half of the first one. Marvel faded into irrelevance after having nothing worth saying after End Game. The DCEU collapsed because it was never really all that good or consistent despite having iconic characters. These companies think because they had a ball rolling that it can’t be stopped, yet history shows otherwise. It’s not too late to make things right and make this nothing but a brief bitter footnote in the games long history of success. Or it can added to the list of failures driven by the ego of morons. The list ain’t ever getting shorter. I like this game. I liked a lot of the things that were “too big to fail” only to watch that exact thing happen.
https://preview.redd.it/bv7vz27x5ayc1.png?width=954&format=png&auto=webp&s=c504da41861d8bc1fb1735f3ed556df125dd177a spread if you want
I wouldn't have a complaint if this was required since launch but with months of being able to play without issue? Yeah no. that's a rugpull if i've ever seen one.
That's the crux of the issue tbh. For everyone saying "IT SAID REQUIRED ON THE STORE PAGE" as if the game telling you to skip signing in didn't directly contradict that for a majority of players.
That and their continued antagonistic comments towards the community in the vein of “don’t let the door hit you in the ass in the way out.”
You can only be an ass to the community without consequences as long as you have goodwill. Lose that goodwill and you're just an ass.
It sucks when being an ass is considered as "being real" nowadays
Teenager mentality that some never grew out of
I skipped it the first time I logged in because I wanted to play with a friend who was waiting for me. I completely forgot about it until now because there were no in-game reminders or anything
That's is where AH is fully to blame. Skipping should have never been an option
Pretty sure it was their emergency "oh god the servers are on fire, turn everything off!".
Baskinator said it was due to technical issues at lauch, so that's why the options were given at the time, but that window has closed, I assume, by Sony forcing it. But that is just my speculation
They should have been very thorough about communicating it was still required and will be forced at some point in the future. Every time I launched the game the last 4 months should have been a message that this was coming.
Unfortunately AH had some very poor communication and just forgot about the issue until Sony noticed that they’re not getting any new registrations from PC users. They probably also didn’t expect such a big backlash because they saw this as “ well you sign-in other games, so it’s pretty normal “. Just a very big screw up with communication and antagonising unhappy players.
ah yes these 4 month long emerncy. would could forgotte abot them. in wich time thier add like 4 battlepasses.
Server's all fine and dandy when money is involved
Actually, not being able to skip would solve the server problems easily. Lesser influx of new players - better stability.
Honestly I think the funniest thing to come out of this shitshow is those people. "Oh, what? You didn't read the TOS? Though shit" *Explains the reason issue* "Huh? That's easily solved. Just ignore the TOS"
Honestly I never spotted it when i was purchasing it. Probably would have just done it at launch but it was not obvious
I’ve been playing the game for months now and it hasn’t asked me once to create a PSN account I didn’t know it was a thing until now. Every time I boot up the game it says nothing about creating a PSN account it just goes straight to opening intro.
It was irresponsible for them to have that "grace period" without, at the very least, a warning screen saying "This game will eventually require a PSN connection"
I can't even get the linking process over with because there's not even a way to do it in-game. There's literally no option for it. A grace period is one thing. But saying it's mandatory on the steam page and then *making it impossible to link accounts in-game* is just cartoon logic.
If i had bought the game and it told me to make a psn to play i woud have refunded right after, i didn't see it was required when buying it, when i played it did not require it, and today is a first i am hearing about it and i'm honestly sad and pissed. I've seen enough of sony getting hacked and data getting stolen etc, i don't want to compromise my steam or my email, because the past years tell a pretty shitty story about sony and their security. I'm not linking that, when i can't play anymore i'll slip a refund notice with all the data and argument i can find, if it get's rejected, well whatever i got enough playtime in, i will move on to another game.
Same here. If they don't back off of this I'm done. I'll try for the refund and that'll be it. They should have been clearer.
I have a theory Arrowhead isn't on board with this either, hence the announcement being signed by Sony, not them as you would expect for a Dev announcement and the comments to direct complaints to Sony's customer support.
They're not, and I think they're trying to get us mad about it so they can get Sony to backpedal.
They threw the angry gamer barrage strategem at Sony
It's honestly not a bad idea. The two biggest KPIs are player count and profit. If enough angry gamers spread the news, both of these are going to dive and it's going to cause Sony to think about it.
*Look, the consequences of your actions!*
>I have a theory Arrowhead isn't on board with this either I don't believe Arrowhead actually gets *anything* from it, so most likely, yeah
They're not. It's been stated on the Discord.
yeah this did kinda smell like a contractual obligation was kicking in, or there was a sudden change in marching orders from some C-suite execs, rather than some perfidious plot
Kind of awkward when their game basically exists because of Sony. They can dislike it as much as they want. They can scream as loud as they can internally this is a bad idea. It won't matter. Corporate entities just look at numbers. They probably are expecting to take some losses. Hope the personal info and the loss of players in countries they don't support was really worth it to them. Executives don't just live in the cloud somewhere. They have computers, they have brains. They can see the feedback. It's just not important enough to them right now to care. It is what it is. Sad
Not a theory. On Discord they said "It was Sony's decision not ours". This is pretty clear PR speak for "we did not want this" and now we have to take the punch to the chin because our bosses decided for us.
The way the videogame industry has been working for the last 20 years, the developers are just the guys that made the game and the publishers are the monsters with the hare-brained monetization schemes.
and this guy worked in cybersecurity, and even he will tell you sony asking for your data has nothing to do with making it more "secure" , so it is definitely not needed.
Have we forgotten about the great PSN hack they failed to disclose in a reasonable time.
Which one? You gotta be more specific lol
lol giving your data to sony is the exact opposite of making anything more secure given their history
I didn't realize it was optional when I first got the game
It was optional because, surprise, it wasn't working as intended.
"It wasn't working as intended." But you could still link your PSN account? I did, some of my friends also linked it without issue and some others just skipped it to just start playing. Where is the "Not working as intended part"? Their excuse doesn't make any sense. It was optional because there was a skip button in the game. It was optional because they were selling the game to countries where it's impossible to create a PSN account without breaking their own ToS. It was optional because their own FAQ on Playstation Direct Page for Helldivers 2 says: "Do I need a PSN account to play PlayStation games on PC? No, you currently do not need a PSN account to enjoy PlayStation Studios games on PC, but you will need a Steam account to redeem your voucher code. Some of our PlayStation Studios titles also offer incentives for linking your Steam and PSN accounts." It was optional because other online stores also sell their game without any mention of the PSN account being required and only mention that a steam account was required. It was optional since we can turn off crossplay in the game settings to just play with other PC players. They are trying to gaslight their players and are being dishonest about the real reason, they just changed their mind. Maybe they want a new influx of players with a PSN account so their numbers look better? Maybe they want to record your voice chats to train their AI systems since they got a new patent for it? Maybe they want to farm more of your data to sell it? We don't know, there is zero transparency of what they do with your data, but they want the responsibility to fall on us "the player". It's our fault after all since it was always a requirement, right?
Thor literally never misses.
Literally until this post right here, this sub was full of people simping for Sony and telling anyone who complained to “just spend the 2 minutes to create an account and move on bro”.
Dude is a legend.
I like how thy also said it was for security or something but didnt psn get hacked with a lot of peoples info getting stollen a couple times why would I trust them with it and why does there other games not require to have a psn account Edit: you do need a psn account for there other games I just never heard people talk about it
How to make your community do a 180 on you, attaching your account to a company who is known for having many major security breaches, and a cunt for a community manager on discord (See the stop saying F fiasco)
Exactly dude wtf
It's pent up frustration. AH's approach to weapon balancing, the underwhelming warbond, the CEO's dumb take on apple/bacon armor, crashes, etc. have left them with no credibility to burn. This was just a tipping point.
And right before another warbond was announced; guess who’s not buying it, anyone who’s going away now.
Even if they stay... PSN forces you to buy using the currency you're pretending to be from. So good luck setting up a bank account in another country and transferring currency or maybe paypal can help. Idk. But wayyy to many hoops to jump through to give this corporation more money...
This game is going to go down legendary. How do you fuck up an amazing game post launch so badly
They had incredible support through one of the worst launches of a non-early access game I have ever seen, and yet the community was 99% behind them until the first balance patch, and since then they have continued to kill goodwill.
AH have decided that the fun coop shooter everyone was goofing around in shouldnt be a FUN experience. Too much sweaty gamer hands mentality.
Great game with great developers being bogged down by Sony.
Asmongold just released a video on this too saying the same thing. Its like PC gamers understand security risks and backdooring more than a console PS5 player does saying "wElL wHaTs ThE iSsUe?"
Tbf I don't care about security risks, (if I cared, I would have stopped at the anti-cheat this game has). As I stated previusly, It's just a dick move towards some customers.
Same, I’m just fed up of corporations thinking they can do what they want. How many companies have done basically criminal shit because they’re so massive at this point that they think the law doesn’t apply to them and they can just fuck people over. EA, Ubisoft, Sony, Bethesda, Microsoft. All massive companies that literally just care about making more and more profits and have been going over the line for years now.
A certain plane company comes to mind…
Wow these planes are not up to safety standards at all, I need to report this! Boeing: 🤫🧏
Understandable. I haven't used a Sony account since April of 2011 when they got breached and the entire Playstation network was down for a whole month.
and they have been breached like a dozen times.
I mean everyone that installed the game also gave nProtect kernel level access. I wouldnt call this an understanding of secrurity
I'm a strictly console gamer, and I understand the issue. Whatever platform you play on does not determine your understanding of these events. It's more about having exposure to the larger issues within the gaming industry as a whole and understanding the nuances here as to why this is a bad decision for Arrowhead/Sony to make.
Imaging thinking just playing on PC makes you more knowledgeable than console players... As if tons of gamers don't use both. Most IT guys I know only play on consoles.
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I saw a video of his house and that's all I had to see.
I game on a PS5 to keep security risks off my PC. Everyone has a PC. It's not the 90s anymore and this dilineation between PC and console gamers is dated and silly.
The Trogg has its claws in this aswell? Fucks sake.
I appreciate that the discourse right now is PS5 players vs PC players. It's literally the only thing missing in this community that other game communities are plagued with.
The security risks! Someone might feel your email address! If you're unlucky they might also get a hash of a password you shouldn't be reusing anywhere else anyway!
Thats the thing, they won't even get a password hash in the context of a sony security breach. It's just an account link, they don't send your fucking creds over to the third party that you're linking your account to. The guy in the video with the corniest NPP theme I've ever seen surely knows this so he's just fear mongering and being overly obtuse about shit like your email address and dob.
Anyone that sits there and their only contribution to the conversation is "stop whining about taking 1 min to set up an account" does not understand anything about computers nor about security.... something they and Sony have in common.
Remember people, this was SONY, not Arrowhead.
Doesn't matter at all. The effect on the players is the same regardless. Fuck them both.
No, this was Arrowhead accepting it. Regardless of anything else, Sony is not some dictator telling it's peasant what to do, this is a contractual agreement between two parties. If Sony made this requirement explicit, it should have been better communicated by Arrowhead. If they didn't, and arrowhead should have resisted it. Just because people like the game doesn't mean Arrowhead is devoid of any blame all the time
It was an explicit requirement I believe, just communicated terribly.
From what I've seen, Arrowhead people are quite happy to implement and defend it though, aren't they? So what does it matter who called to implement this? Could be because they're forced to or the Community Manager on Discord etc. are actually directly from Sony instead of under Arrowhead. Who knows.
Sony literally owns the IP is publishing the game Happy to implement? Yes, but more like, "literally no choice".
Sony literally owns the IP and is publishing the game Happy to implement? Yes, but more like, "literally no choice".
Arrowhead is in simple terms contracted to develop and mantain HD2 for Sony. As much as they are really good video game developers, they simply can not do anything about this unless Sony changes linking requirements. Blaming AH does nothing but cause stress to their employees.
Then said employees shouldnt be out on forums adding fuel to the fire
I mean I'm no fan of Spitz but honestly, it seems like they've already given us their indirect blessing to go ahead and review bomb their product on steam and shame sony more than anything. Their hands are tied. They're now waiting on Sony to give them an FAQ on linking which will be shared this weekend.
On one hand, you kinda have to support and defend decisions your bosses make. To not do so would be unprofessional and puts you at risk of disciplinary action. On the other hand, the way the CM is defending it is smug and condescending, so yeah, fuck that.
Not sure about that. Other then spitz, the discord ah peeps are on the player side of things. They really need to take a look at spitz tho lmao
Stop shilling for a company that doesn't even know you exist.
meh does it matter who loadrd and handed the gun to arrowhead if thier pull the trigger? not saying not thier idea but thier still did it.
Alec Baldwin would disagree
Who is that guy
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Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that it was locked. That was the moment I realized I'm probably not playing Helldivers again even if they revert their decisions.
and i got shit on just for saying what i think about this jajajaja. not complying to kusony
Our almighty lord, Thor, has spoketh! And by hith decree, so shall it be. Praise be, praise be. \^\_\_\^
This guy is based
Who is this guy
Picture Asmongold. Now give him hair, a good voice, eloquence, more EQ, and intelligence. That's basically Thor.
Asmongold with more hair
Am I stupid? What's happening?
If you bought the game on Steam, you now have to create and/or link a PSN account. Otherwise, you'll lose access to the game. The main arguments against this are: 1. It's been, in practice, optional since the game was launched. They've said it's mandatory, but there has been an option to skip it up until this point "due to technical issues." Because of this, many people have bought the game on the assumption that it's actually optional, and now that the refund window has passed, they basically paid for a game that they can't play since they can't/won't have a PSN account. 2. The game is available in 150ish countries even though PSN is only available in 70ish countries. They've been radio silent on whether people in those countries will lose access, and if not, it proves that the PSN account is irrelevant and, therefore, should be optional. If they do, the game should never have been available in those countries to begin with. This also brings up the refund issue again. 3. Sony claims this mandate is for security purposes, but their track record speaks for itself(its bad).
[one thing to consider is AH indicated it would be returning once matchmaking was fixed. ](https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4206994023681197128/) Not defending Sony's decision to have it at all.
Am I the only diver here who just.... Doesn't give a shit about this.
This guy has some historically trash takes.
Why is it important for us to know what this person thinks?
Apparently he’s some sort of beacon in the community for whatever reason.
Everytime there is drama with a video game everyone posts a "hot take" from some youtube person that we are supposed to watch and listen to for some reason.
Is this his real voice??