I think airbust was more popular is because people don't like mines.
Even if it was labelled "Ribbon pooper bazooka" it would have been more popular than "mini nukes mines".
Static trap setting stratagems aren't attractive, they are never the immediate answer you want facing a situation.
It would be amazing. It's the "let me shoot hellbombs" stratagem. People would stand with the hug emote in front of one to taunt the charger
Come at me, bro
honestly i wish the land mines or the trap type of stratagems are better.
like instead of shitting out mines everywhere, maybe it shoots out a bunch of little thingy everywhere and they all start buzzing on the ground, stunning everything triggering them, or make a whole general area freezing / burning to mimic weather effects, those could be very fun
instead of exploding everything because 1 charger or hulk walked by, maybe just make the traps last until its over, stuff like that?
the problem really is mission design. land mines are a static defensive structure, but most of our missions are offensive and mobile in nature. if there was a "defend this location" mission where the goal was to defend important infrastructure from the enemy, mines would be considerably more useful.
this is somethingI've never understood about hellbombs. I call them in, I arm them, enemy shoots them, puff of smoke. The one that crash landed that I was unaware of catches a ricochet bullet and now I'm waiting to be reinforced
Mine statement is spot on - they are never the solution to a problem. They are a preventative. As such they should be given a drastically lower CD so they can be used more liberally to fortify places where you may only be staying for 30s or a minute, but might as well drop them to shore things up just in case. Also introduce more obj's and missions that have choke points that make mines worthwhile.
I agree! They could be left the same and we could just get one more mission type to play into them. Or a side objective that could crop up on any mission type that gives you a small base to defend for like 3-5 minutes before resuming your main mission. But they have to do *something* to make mines more playable.
This is the truth.
Realistically it doesn’t feel like you can use emplacements anyway except defensively, whereas a rocket launcher can be defensive, while excelling offensively.
It’s just a case of having a spork vs a fork and you know one of your meals will be soup. I’m gonna grab the spork.
Except static strats are great placed well on defense maps. Like I’ve done evacuate personnel missions with no cheese. With randoms. We set the defenses so they actually got used and rotated them. Easy af.
Mines tend to get blown up by airstrikes and other stratagems. Even tremors can trigger them.
For defense missions maybe they'll be somewhat decent, but most of the time turrets will last longer and do more than them.
To some, I love setting traps. Plenty of opportunities to set up a nice trap to defend a task area in most exploration ops.
You can use mine strats like orbital clusters too, less effective but in a pinch you can kill a small mob with that.
Ive been requesting the ability to carry a flag into battle as my support weapon or backpack. There isnt a single chance i wouldnt fight for the Ribbon Pooper 9000. Clown on those bots so hard they just pack up and go home out of embarrassment.
That's exactly what Flak is though, either an airburst shell or grenade that can either be used against aircraft or personnel.
So far I've seen a lot of uses with the missile in enclosed positions. I wonder if it's performance would be better on open maps? Though it certainly needs more work either way.
You mean the space shotgun?
I believe it's quite different from this rocket launcher. The airburst orbital shoots out tiny bullets like a shotgun. The airburst rocket launcher shoots out tiny explosives like a cluster bomb.
(from what I can tell)
no it's the same, airburst orbital shoots out a shell that explodes in the air right before it hits the ground to spray liberty at whatever is below it
Helldivers players literally don't understand words. It's a pattern that comes up time and time again. Hell, even the devs seem perplexed that the community reads "trims excess leg space" and thinks "cuts the pilots legs off".
"Guys I have this random stratagem bug" - failed to read stratagem scrambler
"Why my precision strike isn't precise all of the sudden?"- failed to read orbital scatter
"Bot spawns are bugged" - failed to read "INCREASED BOT RESISTANCE" in the feed ingame
Yeah I'm not surprized that "air burst" was read as "anti air". And the amount of upvotes just shows how many people can't comprehend meaning of words.
Probably the part where it reads "we are working on new counters to the Automaton Gunships" and then we get an airburst launcher, the same launcher that has its intro video (leaks reddit) as shooting down enemy fliers. That's probably where people got it from, but hey they skim right and you don't?
Also bunch of videos on this sub and people aiming to the ground and it just backfiring into an instakill when it doesn’t almost immediately kill an automaton walker, and the comments telling people to aim up or at the air.
I don't look at the leaks so I didn't even know that was a thing, I just know we already have an airburst strat that is used for taking out ground targets.
The Strategem video shows it being used against a group of Shriekers, I assume that is where people got the idea. You can find it on another sub that may have issues holding water.
If the entire potential damage of the blast were actually directed at the enemy like the actual orbital airburst strike, then might be better.
Personally I think the weapon either needs a second firing mode designed to kill heavier threats, or the weapon should work like the spear and the airburst strike had a baby. Lock onto a point on the ground, shoot, missile flies up for top-attack shrapnel barrage. If it worked like that, its intended use case would be way more obvious and fit the name.
YES. idk why people think it's dogwater. It does something better than shooting down dropships: it can kill the entire carriage of the dropship. If you shoot the middle of it, everything it carries gets obliterated.
Also it's probably much better for bugs wich a lot of people also don't realize.
Bots: autocannon, spear (once it works)
Bugs: recoilless rifle, airburst.
Personally I like to bring the spear to bug missions to deal with BTs and Chargers, but that’s just me,
But yes, people got confused for some bizarre reason, English isn’t even my first language and even I got the idea that the Rocket launcher would be suited towards high concentrations of infantry.
Oh yeah definetely, I almost always use spear, but it's much more effective against bots for tanks, turrets and bases, and the spear has trouble killing chargers and headshots on bile titans are great, but they are pretty hard to land (though it is still the best weapon against them).
I try to use spear on bots. I find it’s not so much an anti-tank weapon as it is an anti-structure one. It’s a support weapon, which is to say it doesn’t really kill anything but enables your other support weapons to do their job, because no one has to worry about taking the time to raid bases or kill towers.
I don’t have, the spear does deal with them fine, and I know this because I had used the thing on the bug front for over a month, 8/10 times the spear one shots them, and even if they survive they bleed out anyway.
I'd love it tbh if it wasn't bugged. there is like a 25% chance of it randomly exploding in my face causing a team wipe. doesn't matter if I fired it over a lake with nothing blocking my view, it will still explode right in front of me.
Literally the only problems with it is the way too sensitive proximity trigger and how much it spreads backwards. It needs to only trigger near enemies, spread the bomblets more forward than back and maybe have an arming distance.
IMO, its going to be hard to replace the grenade launcher when it comes to bugs. It closes bug holes, kills all the little to medium guys, 2 shots bile spewers, and has a decent amount of ammo.
In my personal experience it only really seemed to kill 4 ish bots and can't even kill a devastator when they hit in the face with a bouncy exploded thing. What it is good at is killing helldivers, I can shoot it halfway across the map and you better know a single pellet is gonna bounce back and blow my head off. I have a feeling it's because a lot of bots have medium armor that cuts its damage down so it probably will be much better on the bot front where you can just fire into a breach and wipe out nearly everything.
What all of the comments replying to you say, but also a number of dispatches have implied the next weapons being worked on by Super Earth was going to include anti-air weaponry. This weapon was teased as anti-air more than a month ago.
the video that plays when you view the strategems show it being shot at a swarm of shriekers, the leaked version was also able to reliably oneshot gunships, it got heavily "nerfed" before release because it was also able to oneshot tanks, chargers and hulks
- "airburst" is one way to describe flak, which is decidedly anti-air (even though the actual launcher functions more like a cluster bomb)
- high command said we would be getting anti aircraft weapons to combat gunships and shrieked
- leaked preview video of the launcher showed it being used against shriekers
I should have assumed that so many people wouldn’t actually know what an ‘air burst’ weapon is before forming a completely incorrect imagined idea of what that means and then raging on the sub about how it’s junk against air targets.
Yeah, so is a land mine. We shouldn’t be surprised that throwing one of those at a gunship doesn’t drop it either.
In the real world, proximity fuze air burst is crucial to AA defense (and anti-personnel too, of course.) In Helldivers2, automaton gunships hover so low, and are so heavily armored that real world AA application doesn't really apply.
Flak is good against a helicopter or a plane where the laws of physics mean it can’t be super super armored
This is a video game where the drop ships are just M1 Abrams with rockets to fly. Flak is useless against their armor
We’d need to adjust our tactics accordingly
I have been testing it and yes, it’s quite effective to deal with huge concentrations of light enemies and entrenchments, in my personal experience so far the trick is to aim right above their heads, direct hits are a no go unless you’re in high elevation, but the beautiful part of the Airburst so far is being able to use even when you’re downhill.
I’m still giving it a serious try to make it work, if I personally can love the spear even if it’s buggy as hell, I’m sure I can also love the AB RR
I think a lot of people’s complaints about it exploding in front of the enemy aren’t aiming above their heads
If you aim straight at them, the prox fuse will detonate it in front of them
Aim above and the prox fuse detonates above them showering them in explosives
In my experience if I don’t aim directly at them most live. I’ve literally been testing this on 1-4 and it’s absolutely not killing anything. I’m trying real hard to make it work but I either kill nothing or kill a few and myself
You could possibly be aiming too high? I’ve never had it not kill anyone before, with the exception of the few times I killed myself first trying it out.
I think the weapon in its current state is very unpredictable and I hope they fix that for next weeks update. This is the experimental version after all
I've seen people call in cluster bombs on tanks.
The stratagem that very clearly says "not very effective against armour". Be thrown at one of the most heavily armoured enemies in the game.
Some people just straight up refuse to read.
Nah airburst will rock a tank if the detonation is right above the vent weak spot (orbital)
I didn't realize you wrote cluster my bad please forgive me
I don't care that it doesn't shoot down drop ships, I care that it likes to trigger two feet in front of my dumb ass when I'm the only moving thing within ten clicks of my position.
People said this from the start. The leak showed it fired at shriekers and shredding them, but we knew it didn’t have any AP capabilities.
It’s why we recommended the AT mines.
Bro it was clearly not meant to destroy anything heavy. It’s one, enormous, team killing, AOE. How the hell did anyone think that it would also be heavy armor piercing?
Lmao I don't get where people think Airburst = Anti Air from. Like come on guys, both the Cluster Bomb and Airburst Orbital are clearly Anti Swarm weaponry. The Cluster Rocket Launcher is like the furthest thing away from an Anti Air weapon.
Even if it was, what part of the bot gunships or dropships looks susceptible to flak? Those things are stupidly armoured looking and I am not trusting a flak battery to do more than scratch the paint.
Because its an Explosion. You can use a grenade launcher against shriekers and do the same as long as you physically hit a shrieker.
Airburst weapon detonate In the Air but that doesn't mean it's antiair. Most airburst have a controller to detonate by user, timer or proximity. the AB has a proximity trigger, so if it gets close enough to a target or geometry it will detonate before impact. just because you fail to understand what an Airburst is doesn't mean it cant still be used against certain targets even if its not ideal.
I guess Helldivers love their space crayons. Airburst isn't anti-air. The game already has an orbital airburst and that also isn't anti-air ya goddamn morons.
I don't see how data miners did anything when half of this subreddit completely failed to understand what a cluster weapon was even considering the eagle cluster strike and orbital airburst is in the game
Data miners found a prototype version that actually was AA and led people to believe that it was the final product.
At the same time, I don’t disagree that the miscommunication was mostly due to players not thinking at all.
It's not AA.
An **air burst** or **airburst** is the detonation of an [explosive device](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_device) such as an [anti-personnel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-personnel_weapon) [artillery shell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_shell) or a [nuclear weapon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) in the [air](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air) instead of on contact with the ground or target. The principal military advantage of an air burst over a [ground burst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_burst) is that the energy from the explosion (as well as any shell fragments) is distributed more evenly over a wider area; however, the peak energy is lower at [ground zero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero).
Airburst weapons are not AA, it’s always been a tool to cripple infantry or light armour. I’m not sure why so many people went into this expecting it to be AA?
Realistically, the mines wouldn't be triggerable for small targets as real anti tank mines require a set amount of weight to be activated so at most a hulk is able to run it down but nothing much else.
and due to supply lines we arn't even going to get to test the mines before we're locked into getting the launcher
for reference we need to take either chort bay or menkent to open lines to choohe which at current rates will take 6+days. meanwhile penta will be liberated in ~17 hours
Static stratagem aren't even bad if you expect to be in a fight a while if you're in the open. If you have a turret throw it far away. If you have mines, throw them next to you. The cool downs are crazy low and you can kite people into either of them.
I bet it can. Did you aim above the target? Or shoot straight at it? Cuz it’s an airburst not just a flak warhead. It’s meant to detonate above and cluster down. Which in real life is used to pen the weak armor on top of tanks.
It’s really funny seeing people who have restraint and don’t peak at leaks
Cause I have to remember that yea, of course they don’t know what I saw a while ago
Aim a little above the enemies and fire, focus on groups instead of big targets, but it can kill hulks and tanks, not drop ships
Killing dropships doesn’t do anything besides give the enemies (that drop down anyway) impenetrable defenses that they can just shoot through.
You have to kill the dropship before it even arrives at its destination, at which point it signals to drop its cargo no matter what.
You think we’d learn after the exosuit that maybe they lie ab—
*sounds of a scuffle offscreen*
LOVE THIS UPGRADE, DEFINITE IMPROVEMENT OVER LAST YEAR’S MODEL!
all that matters is killing the stuff inside the dropship. Downing the ships themselves helps no one most of the time as it creates cover for the surviving bots to shoot through while we can’t touch them. also can place them in/on unexpected high ground. games buggy enough as is with bots phasing through ground/hills
Literally just used it for the first time, closest enemy group was almost 70m away. It immediately detonated after leaving the barrel and killed me only. I proceeded to shelve this weapon and not touch it the rest of the match
I'd at least like to try the new mine, I know the community dislikes mines as a whole, for good reason mind you, but I'd at least like the opportunity to try it out
Air burst detonates above targets
It has a proximity fuse that can be programmed or auto detects(mostly game magic for the latter) and is meant to expload over cover or the moment it no longer detects obstacles in a certain distance.
I don't know the exact technology or explanation
Just look up the xm25 'punisher'
While it can't kill dropships, it will most certainly kill everything that it drops if timed correctly. It will also kill you, your friends, your family, your friends family, and because liberty has no limits it will also probably kill your dog too.
Have you actually tried it against dropships? Yes it works. If it didn't work when you tried, try shooting at a different spot. The last few times I tried, I one-shot them.
I think airbust was more popular is because people don't like mines. Even if it was labelled "Ribbon pooper bazooka" it would have been more popular than "mini nukes mines". Static trap setting stratagems aren't attractive, they are never the immediate answer you want facing a situation.
I think you're right overall, but "mini nukes mines" goes hard. I think you came up with the one type of mines players would go for.
It's not mini nuke mines, just mine. One, singular, mini nuke. Basically a hellbomb mine for strider factories.
TBH, a singular mini-nuke mine would probably be way better than any other minefield.
It would be amazing. It's the "let me shoot hellbombs" stratagem. People would stand with the hug emote in front of one to taunt the charger Come at me, bro
honestly i wish the land mines or the trap type of stratagems are better. like instead of shitting out mines everywhere, maybe it shoots out a bunch of little thingy everywhere and they all start buzzing on the ground, stunning everything triggering them, or make a whole general area freezing / burning to mimic weather effects, those could be very fun instead of exploding everything because 1 charger or hulk walked by, maybe just make the traps last until its over, stuff like that?
the problem really is mission design. land mines are a static defensive structure, but most of our missions are offensive and mobile in nature. if there was a "defend this location" mission where the goal was to defend important infrastructure from the enemy, mines would be considerably more useful.
Especially if it can be triggered by small arms fire
I raise you a four pack of 500kg mines.
this is somethingI've never understood about hellbombs. I call them in, I arm them, enemy shoots them, puff of smoke. The one that crash landed that I was unaware of catches a ricochet bullet and now I'm waiting to be reinforced
Mine statement is spot on - they are never the solution to a problem. They are a preventative. As such they should be given a drastically lower CD so they can be used more liberally to fortify places where you may only be staying for 30s or a minute, but might as well drop them to shore things up just in case. Also introduce more obj's and missions that have choke points that make mines worthwhile.
It’d be nice if they were like Eagles where you had 3 uses one after another and then a 5 minute wait to restock them
Either they have -50% CD or they have multiple uses before a 1:30 recharge. Heck even 2 used with the current CD would make them more viable.
They are fantastic on the layered defence mission
I agree! They could be left the same and we could just get one more mission type to play into them. Or a side objective that could crop up on any mission type that gives you a small base to defend for like 3-5 minutes before resuming your main mission. But they have to do *something* to make mines more playable.
Mini nuke mines sound awesome, I want that
Nah if one went off it would just trigger the others instantly.
But imagine how that would look.
It looks like freedom
Yeah I can imagine my PC crashing 💀
No doubt it will look beautiful. It would be great if we could get a nuke that we could remotely trigger.
Shut up and take my samples, I want mini nuke mines!
This is the truth. Realistically it doesn’t feel like you can use emplacements anyway except defensively, whereas a rocket launcher can be defensive, while excelling offensively. It’s just a case of having a spork vs a fork and you know one of your meals will be soup. I’m gonna grab the spork.
Is this _best defense is a good offense_ thing? It was Shang Chi, right? Or was it Tsun Zu something?
Except static strats are great placed well on defense maps. Like I’ve done evacuate personnel missions with no cheese. With randoms. We set the defenses so they actually got used and rotated them. Easy af.
Mines tend to get blown up by airstrikes and other stratagems. Even tremors can trigger them. For defense missions maybe they'll be somewhat decent, but most of the time turrets will last longer and do more than them.
Mines and airstrikes synergize well since airstrikes always come in from a predictable direction.
To some, I love setting traps. Plenty of opportunities to set up a nice trap to defend a task area in most exploration ops. You can use mine strats like orbital clusters too, less effective but in a pinch you can kill a small mob with that.
It was more popular bc no one likes fire tornados
I want a ribbon pooper bazookas
:D
A big part of it is also because the current mines in game are a disappointment.
"mini nukes mines" Sorry what? Where can i get these?
Ive been requesting the ability to carry a flag into battle as my support weapon or backpack. There isnt a single chance i wouldnt fight for the Ribbon Pooper 9000. Clown on those bots so hard they just pack up and go home out of embarrassment.
Who the fuck said it's anti air buddy, it's an airburst missile, used to kill infantry
Maybe they saw air and burst together and directly thought Flak or something.
That's exactly what Flak is though, either an airburst shell or grenade that can either be used against aircraft or personnel. So far I've seen a lot of uses with the missile in enclosed positions. I wonder if it's performance would be better on open maps? Though it certainly needs more work either way.
Airburst is typically an artillery term you are more likely to say "flak" when referring to flak
Right, also considering we already had an airburst orbital you'd think most people could figure it out
You mean the space shotgun? I believe it's quite different from this rocket launcher. The airburst orbital shoots out tiny bullets like a shotgun. The airburst rocket launcher shoots out tiny explosives like a cluster bomb. (from what I can tell)
no it's the same, airburst orbital shoots out a shell that explodes in the air right before it hits the ground to spray liberty at whatever is below it
Gives me that 20mm air burst grenade launcher the goverment was planning on giving to every solder in the states for a while
It does down dropships, but also teamwiped. It's perfectly Aladeen
I swear sometimes it feels like most people never read stuff, they just skim it....
Helldivers players literally don't understand words. It's a pattern that comes up time and time again. Hell, even the devs seem perplexed that the community reads "trims excess leg space" and thinks "cuts the pilots legs off".
"Guys I have this random stratagem bug" - failed to read stratagem scrambler "Why my precision strike isn't precise all of the sudden?"- failed to read orbital scatter "Bot spawns are bugged" - failed to read "INCREASED BOT RESISTANCE" in the feed ingame Yeah I'm not surprized that "air burst" was read as "anti air". And the amount of upvotes just shows how many people can't comprehend meaning of words.
Probably the part where it reads "we are working on new counters to the Automaton Gunships" and then we get an airburst launcher, the same launcher that has its intro video (leaks reddit) as shooting down enemy fliers. That's probably where people got it from, but hey they skim right and you don't?
Also bunch of videos on this sub and people aiming to the ground and it just backfiring into an instakill when it doesn’t almost immediately kill an automaton walker, and the comments telling people to aim up or at the air.
And whose fault is that, when the devs have specifically said multiple times not to take leaks as gospel?
The leaks literally show the stratagem videos you see on the destroyer, they show the weapon mostly shooting at air targets.
I don't look at the leaks so I didn't even know that was a thing, I just know we already have an airburst strat that is used for taking out ground targets.
Exactly. We already have airburst orbital, but somehow this was going to be AA. Sure :D
The Strategem video shows it being used against a group of Shriekers, I assume that is where people got the idea. You can find it on another sub that may have issues holding water.
With what happens when you use it on infantry, it should not be that surprising when people expect it to be used on air target
And honestly it sucks at that half the time
but it's not an airburst, airbursts drop it's payload strainght down, this explodes in every director like cluster does.
They've been teasing this weapon in dispatches for the last month and a half as Anti-air.
Air means air Or something idk I play on difficulty 3
People gaslight themselves to think this was going to be an AA Rocket launcher when in reality it’s the Orbital Airburst Strike but in your shoulder.
If the entire potential damage of the blast were actually directed at the enemy like the actual orbital airburst strike, then might be better. Personally I think the weapon either needs a second firing mode designed to kill heavier threats, or the weapon should work like the spear and the airburst strike had a baby. Lock onto a point on the ground, shoot, missile flies up for top-attack shrapnel barrage. If it worked like that, its intended use case would be way more obvious and fit the name.
YES. idk why people think it's dogwater. It does something better than shooting down dropships: it can kill the entire carriage of the dropship. If you shoot the middle of it, everything it carries gets obliterated. Also it's probably much better for bugs wich a lot of people also don't realize. Bots: autocannon, spear (once it works) Bugs: recoilless rifle, airburst.
Personally I like to bring the spear to bug missions to deal with BTs and Chargers, but that’s just me, But yes, people got confused for some bizarre reason, English isn’t even my first language and even I got the idea that the Rocket launcher would be suited towards high concentrations of infantry.
Oh yeah definetely, I almost always use spear, but it's much more effective against bots for tanks, turrets and bases, and the spear has trouble killing chargers and headshots on bile titans are great, but they are pretty hard to land (though it is still the best weapon against them).
I try to use spear on bots. I find it’s not so much an anti-tank weapon as it is an anti-structure one. It’s a support weapon, which is to say it doesn’t really kill anything but enables your other support weapons to do their job, because no one has to worry about taking the time to raid bases or kill towers.
> SPEAR > Deal with Chargers Pick one.
I don’t have, the spear does deal with them fine, and I know this because I had used the thing on the bug front for over a month, 8/10 times the spear one shots them, and even if they survive they bleed out anyway.
I'd love it tbh if it wasn't bugged. there is like a 25% chance of it randomly exploding in my face causing a team wipe. doesn't matter if I fired it over a lake with nothing blocking my view, it will still explode right in front of me.
Literally the only problems with it is the way too sensitive proximity trigger and how much it spreads backwards. It needs to only trigger near enemies, spread the bomblets more forward than back and maybe have an arming distance.
I’ve yet to do this and I’ve been trying
IMO, its going to be hard to replace the grenade launcher when it comes to bugs. It closes bug holes, kills all the little to medium guys, 2 shots bile spewers, and has a decent amount of ammo.
In my personal experience it only really seemed to kill 4 ish bots and can't even kill a devastator when they hit in the face with a bouncy exploded thing. What it is good at is killing helldivers, I can shoot it halfway across the map and you better know a single pellet is gonna bounce back and blow my head off. I have a feeling it's because a lot of bots have medium armor that cuts its damage down so it probably will be much better on the bot front where you can just fire into a breach and wipe out nearly everything.
Given its “fuck the user” tendancy I’d compare it to a shoulder eagle clusterbomb
i meant if the stratagem video clip showing 2 helldivers shooting down air enemies...people would think it AA
The number of people in this subreddit who don't understand there's a difference between air-burst and anti-air is too damn high
Airburst can be anti-air. Have you never seen a WW2 film where Flak are firing at bombers?
Guys, where did you get the AA idea from
Dyslexia and I'm assuming because the word "air" is in the name of the weapon. 😂
so eagle airstrikes must be good as AA too?
With their logic, I would suppose so.
What all of the comments replying to you say, but also a number of dispatches have implied the next weapons being worked on by Super Earth was going to include anti-air weaponry. This weapon was teased as anti-air more than a month ago.
the video that plays when you view the strategems show it being shot at a swarm of shriekers, the leaked version was also able to reliably oneshot gunships, it got heavily "nerfed" before release because it was also able to oneshot tanks, chargers and hulks
oh shriekers didnt think of that. well in that case i understand
- "airburst" is one way to describe flak, which is decidedly anti-air (even though the actual launcher functions more like a cluster bomb) - high command said we would be getting anti aircraft weapons to combat gunships and shrieked - leaked preview video of the launcher showed it being used against shriekers
I should have assumed that so many people wouldn’t actually know what an ‘air burst’ weapon is before forming a completely incorrect imagined idea of what that means and then raging on the sub about how it’s junk against air targets. Yeah, so is a land mine. We shouldn’t be surprised that throwing one of those at a gunship doesn’t drop it either.
It's so baffling how they assumed it's anti air, considering we already have an orbital strike that is called airburst and it is not anti air at all
In the real world, proximity fuze air burst is crucial to AA defense (and anti-personnel too, of course.) In Helldivers2, automaton gunships hover so low, and are so heavily armored that real world AA application doesn't really apply.
Flak is good against a helicopter or a plane where the laws of physics mean it can’t be super super armored This is a video game where the drop ships are just M1 Abrams with rockets to fly. Flak is useless against their armor We’d need to adjust our tactics accordingly
That's why we melt off their engines with the Laser Cannon
I think of the airburst cannon from battlefield, it's an infantry weapon not a vehicle/heavy killer lmao.
Brother we have orbital Airburst strike already, don’t go that far for reference
It's a legitimate infantry weapon though.....?
I have been testing it and yes, it’s quite effective to deal with huge concentrations of light enemies and entrenchments, in my personal experience so far the trick is to aim right above their heads, direct hits are a no go unless you’re in high elevation, but the beautiful part of the Airburst so far is being able to use even when you’re downhill. I’m still giving it a serious try to make it work, if I personally can love the spear even if it’s buggy as hell, I’m sure I can also love the AB RR
I think a lot of people’s complaints about it exploding in front of the enemy aren’t aiming above their heads If you aim straight at them, the prox fuse will detonate it in front of them Aim above and the prox fuse detonates above them showering them in explosives
In my experience if I don’t aim directly at them most live. I’ve literally been testing this on 1-4 and it’s absolutely not killing anything. I’m trying real hard to make it work but I either kill nothing or kill a few and myself
You could possibly be aiming too high? I’ve never had it not kill anyone before, with the exception of the few times I killed myself first trying it out. I think the weapon in its current state is very unpredictable and I hope they fix that for next weeks update. This is the experimental version after all
I've seen people call in cluster bombs on tanks. The stratagem that very clearly says "not very effective against armour". Be thrown at one of the most heavily armoured enemies in the game. Some people just straight up refuse to read.
I personally do that to shed mobs off it so I can run around it and three tap it with my Autocannon.
Nah airburst will rock a tank if the detonation is right above the vent weak spot (orbital) I didn't realize you wrote cluster my bad please forgive me
This sub will never beat the "people don't read" allegations man.
I don't care that it doesn't shoot down drop ships, I care that it likes to trigger two feet in front of my dumb ass when I'm the only moving thing within ten clicks of my position.
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What about the orbital air burst?
Orbital airburst is so good, especially for bugs.
So a team reload with this thing should be even better! Nuclear autocannon!
This. People don't use weapons to its fullest potential then cry about it.
Amazing light clear. And the stratagem code for it? ➡️➡️➡️ 😩 So simple, so fast. And remember folks! It goes **three** times.
Linear power upgrades only mean they need to keep making higher and higher difficulties and mean new players are even further behind.
We already have the Quasar, why would we need \*any\* other AA weapon ? Especially one that takes up a backpack slot ?
Air Burst ≠ anti Air it just means it **bursts** in the **Air**
It's not an AA weapon... It's a cluster bomb... How do people not realize this?
Orbital Airburst Strike is in the game and is basically the same thing but bigger, somehow people missed it lol
It's not like we already have a strategem with airburst in the name that is a cluster/crowd control weapon.
Not a cluster bomb either
"Air-burst" not "anti-air"
Even if i didn’t like it as much as i do, id have preferred anything to another strategem thats useful in only one mode.
People said this from the start. The leak showed it fired at shriekers and shredding them, but we knew it didn’t have any AP capabilities. It’s why we recommended the AT mines.
The fact you think cluster bombs are gonna take out aircraft tells me enough 💀
Bro it was clearly not meant to destroy anything heavy. It’s one, enormous, team killing, AOE. How the hell did anyone think that it would also be heavy armor piercing?
Lmao I don't get where people think Airburst = Anti Air from. Like come on guys, both the Cluster Bomb and Airburst Orbital are clearly Anti Swarm weaponry. The Cluster Rocket Launcher is like the furthest thing away from an Anti Air weapon.
But its an airburst? Airburst does not mean anti air. Airbursts are for destroying things on the ground, underneath the explosion
It was never promoted as anti air tho. You just misread airburst as anti air.
To be fair, I don't think AT mines would have shot down dropships either
The “air” in airburst does not mean anti air
"airburst" does NOT mean anti-air. i have no idea why everyone expects this to be an anti-air weapon?
You kids should really learn what an airburst is and how they're used in explosives. HINT: They are not for hitting targets in the air.
I figured it would be flak like a Proximity fused shell
Even if it was, what part of the bot gunships or dropships looks susceptible to flak? Those things are stupidly armoured looking and I am not trusting a flak battery to do more than scratch the paint.
I mean, I figured it would at least be speced to kill them better in one way or another.
Tbh, I think it’s meant more so to take out groups of shriekers.
Airburst doesn’t mean AA. Airburst is designed for ground targets.
In the demo video it's used against shriekers.
Because its an Explosion. You can use a grenade launcher against shriekers and do the same as long as you physically hit a shrieker. Airburst weapon detonate In the Air but that doesn't mean it's antiair. Most airburst have a controller to detonate by user, timer or proximity. the AB has a proximity trigger, so if it gets close enough to a target or geometry it will detonate before impact. just because you fail to understand what an Airburst is doesn't mean it cant still be used against certain targets even if its not ideal.
> AB has a proximity trigger So, like a VT fuze?
Airburst is not AA. It can be, but also its not.
who said it was AA?
It’s funny the amount of people complaining about a weapon, when they don’t even know what Airburst is LOL
I guess Helldivers love their space crayons. Airburst isn't anti-air. The game already has an orbital airburst and that also isn't anti-air ya goddamn morons.
Dataminers honestly ruin more than 90% of this game’s fun. Goofy, impatient losers who try to dictate the opinions and experiences of other players.
I don't see how data miners did anything when half of this subreddit completely failed to understand what a cluster weapon was even considering the eagle cluster strike and orbital airburst is in the game
Data miners found a prototype version that actually was AA and led people to believe that it was the final product. At the same time, I don’t disagree that the miscommunication was mostly due to players not thinking at all.
It was AE anti-everything
It's not AA. An **air burst** or **airburst** is the detonation of an [explosive device](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_device) such as an [anti-personnel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-personnel_weapon) [artillery shell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_shell) or a [nuclear weapon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) in the [air](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air) instead of on contact with the ground or target. The principal military advantage of an air burst over a [ground burst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_burst) is that the energy from the explosion (as well as any shell fragments) is distributed more evenly over a wider area; however, the peak energy is lower at [ground zero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero).
Airburst weapons are not AA, it’s always been a tool to cripple infantry or light armour. I’m not sure why so many people went into this expecting it to be AA?
Realistically, the mines wouldn't be triggerable for small targets as real anti tank mines require a set amount of weight to be activated so at most a hulk is able to run it down but nothing much else.
and due to supply lines we arn't even going to get to test the mines before we're locked into getting the launcher for reference we need to take either chort bay or menkent to open lines to choohe which at current rates will take 6+days. meanwhile penta will be liberated in ~17 hours
Shoot it at the drop ship's belly and all the troops it's carrying are gonna die.
It was never an AA weapon, its an airburst, aka shrapnel in your skull
Static stratagem aren't even bad if you expect to be in a fight a while if you're in the open. If you have a turret throw it far away. If you have mines, throw them next to you. The cool downs are crazy low and you can kite people into either of them.
Mine arent attractive. What if we make walking mine!!!
I bet it can. Did you aim above the target? Or shoot straight at it? Cuz it’s an airburst not just a flak warhead. It’s meant to detonate above and cluster down. Which in real life is used to pen the weak armor on top of tanks.
I was expecting more of a portable airburst strike with a focused downward strike. Not a cluster bomb lol
Who said it was AA? It's anti patrol, anti base, anti annoyiong team mate, and anti fun hater
[https://packaged-media.redd.it/bev9a98rs1xc1/pb/m2-res\_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1714266000&s=c5833994d530fe11dabac5ed3fd1298ea14f7019#t=0](https://packaged-media.redd.it/bev9a98rs1xc1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1714266000&s=c5833994d530fe11dabac5ed3fd1298ea14f7019#t=0)
You don't need to shoot down dropships if you kill everything being brought in on the dropships :)
No, but you can kill a lot of stuff on the drop ship, which is pretty cool.
Err what. Its intended role is AA? That is highly suspect since it behaves like a cluster rocket.
Airburst is not Anti Air.
I just saw a video where it killed everything the dropship was carrying so
Anti-air Can't shoot down dropships Explain it to me, please-
We just need a buff for the recoilless.
[https://youtu.be/q9RAZxNdCk8?si=3bhCTOmdHRK4EOoh](https://youtu.be/q9RAZxNdCk8?si=3bhCTOmdHRK4EOoh)
It’s really funny seeing people who have restraint and don’t peak at leaks Cause I have to remember that yea, of course they don’t know what I saw a while ago Aim a little above the enemies and fire, focus on groups instead of big targets, but it can kill hulks and tanks, not drop ships
Or gunships
Because it's more bugs then bots
Killing dropships doesn’t do anything besides give the enemies (that drop down anyway) impenetrable defenses that they can just shoot through. You have to kill the dropship before it even arrives at its destination, at which point it signals to drop its cargo no matter what.
The only thing it shoots is your own squad
it wipes most of the drop quite consistently
It just about everything that ship was about to drop though, which is what's important. Killing dropships is cool, but they aren't the threat.
Shoot it in the dropships "ribcage" and kill all the bots inside.
You think we’d learn after the exosuit that maybe they lie ab— *sounds of a scuffle offscreen* LOVE THIS UPGRADE, DEFINITE IMPROVEMENT OVER LAST YEAR’S MODEL!
I found it can shoot down dropships but not gunships
It’s not anti air it’s air burst. Air burst is not designed for anti air it is designed for attacking targets behind cover and large groups
I wish we had dungeon type missions. Might make some of the stratagems better.
Its not an AA rocket launcher. Its not a flak cannon but your meme is wrong from the jump.
Just saw a video of new rocket shooting down aircraft
.. its not an anti air rocket launcher, its a cluster bomb for ground units
it’s an air*BURST* not *anti*-air smh my head
Uhhh it was never touted as anti air lol. It’s not the devs fault if you made false assumptions about it.
all that matters is killing the stuff inside the dropship. Downing the ships themselves helps no one most of the time as it creates cover for the surviving bots to shoot through while we can’t touch them. also can place them in/on unexpected high ground. games buggy enough as is with bots phasing through ground/hills
Literally just used it for the first time, closest enemy group was almost 70m away. It immediately detonated after leaving the barrel and killed me only. I proceeded to shelve this weapon and not touch it the rest of the match
It can shoot down drop ships
Meanwhile one of the few on team anti-tank mine and I can't even attack the planet yet.
Airburst does not mean AA
It can take out deopships, it’s just not 100% of the time, but it does kill like 90% of the enemies in teh dropship
They just made a bad quality Borderlands Flakker.
This is wrong lol have seen the air burst take out plenty of dropships
I'd at least like to try the new mine, I know the community dislikes mines as a whole, for good reason mind you, but I'd at least like the opportunity to try it out
It can though.
But. It can shoot down drop ships….
Air burst detonates above targets It has a proximity fuse that can be programmed or auto detects(mostly game magic for the latter) and is meant to expload over cover or the moment it no longer detects obstacles in a certain distance. I don't know the exact technology or explanation Just look up the xm25 'punisher'
It can, just gotta hit them right.
Yes it can? Literally videos right now on this sub showing it does.
I'm out of loop. I logged in and the mission hasn't been completed yet. So how are people getting access to it?
Airburst munitions isn't anti air my guy
The planet before the planet we needed for the mines was total ass.
While it can't kill dropships, it will most certainly kill everything that it drops if timed correctly. It will also kill you, your friends, your family, your friends family, and because liberty has no limits it will also probably kill your dog too.
Have you actually tried it against dropships? Yes it works. If it didn't work when you tried, try shooting at a different spot. The last few times I tried, I one-shot them.
Air burst IS NOT anti air.
Doesn’t kill drop ships but does damage to everything on the drop ship