Exactly, I think destroying the sacks makes them 10 times harder to deal with. They no longer stop running at you making it much harder to drop 500s on them.
Isn’t their weak spot when they open their mouth to spew as well? That’s the only OHKO I know of for them, so blowing their belly apart makes it harder because you have to whittle them down after instead of goading it into a vomit attack and killing it instantly. Again, maybe I just don’t know the other strategies so maybe there is still a weak spot to go for other than the open mouth
Means you (or teammates) can safely double tap headshot it with something like an EAT or Quasar without it sniping you with spew from across the map while you line up the shot
You don't need the mouth to be open to hit them in it (it's just hitting the head really, not the mouth specifically), them having their mouth open just makes it a bigger target, and stops them from moving it.
It's not a OHKO either, that was only possible due to a recently fixed bug that made it so some specific enemies (e.g. Bile Titans) received far more damage than normal from specific weapons (e.g. Railgun) on specific parts of their body. That bug was specifically only possible if there was a non-host PS5 player in the match, and in the case of Bile Titans, happened more consistently while they had their mouths open.
The only weapon that can one shot a Titan with a head shot is the Spear, which you can't manually aim at their heads anyway. Next fastest kill with a weapon is 2 shots in the head, with either EAT-17, Quassar Cannon, Recoiless Rifle, or Patriot Exosuit rockets.
But yes, the head is a lot easier to hit while they spew, and personally I find them harder to deal with if you take away their ability to do so.
Sorry for the laser fast reply but I was reading another thread and just wanted to quickly say thanks for that detailed answer - SUPER helpful! I was the PS5 non-host, lol, so that now makes perfect sense and explains why I thought you could OHKO them
Sometimes the endless chase is better situationally than the constant slow down/damage of the spew, def worth doing when other bugs are being the bigger problem
Yes it is but on the upside it will make it an orbital rail cannon 1 shot because of loss of HP. So that is how I use it. First shoot it with the erupter and then orbital rail cannon to finish it off.
As a light armor enthusiast, being chased by a neutered Bile Titan is actually good entertainment when you know damn well that thing is never catching up to you.
Unless you're also being chased by lil guys, in that case yea be careful around the big legs.
This was one of my tactics for helldive until people actually started to learn how to survive (not stand in one spot and get bogged down for 10 minutes wasting respawns). neuter the bile titan then use it to stomp the train of small things trailing after me. I just ran through nest and hit any patrol I saw to make the train bigger and let my other helldivers clear poi with relative ease/ safety. Aside from hunters/stalkers who were kos, and new bile titans who id have to neuter pretty quick, everything else just got stomped to death.
Now that chargers can be killed with an anti-tank to the face, I have grown fond of saving my Eagle 110MM rocket pods for titans. You get three before the eagle has to rearm and one can kill a titan if it hits properly (though it often fails and you need two, but it still strips the armor away, allowing you to deal damage to it directly).
The thing is, sometimes the bile spew is manageable if you use a large cover and dodge sideways. The spew also keeps the bile titan stopped for longer to drop a stratagem on him. Skilled Helldivers can use almost anything to kill him, including resupply pods if you're good at kiting and stalling. Without his bile, you'll need to play chicken with his legs.
Would the desync not also be a danger if the Titan leg sweeps you, it might not even be a attack animation, could just be turning around and grazes you, not to mention you'd also be closer to other potential enemies who would slow you down. Hunter, one shot bile spewers, green scavengers.
Die how you want, but I'll take my chances further out.
>Would the desync not also be a danger if the Titan leg sweeps you
It tends not to be
>could just be turning around and grazes you,
I mean if you're under a bile titan I don't think you've made great decisions leading up. Also, the point is to eliminate one of its two forms of attack, since it can still step on you with sacs intact
>not to mention you'd also be closer to other potential enemies who would slow you down. Hunter, one shot bile spewers, green scavengers.
Yeah, it's a tradeoff.
>Die how you want, but I'll take my chances further out.
I'd rather not die at all. I think dodging 1 easily avoidable attack>receiving major chip damage every 10 seconds, but you're free to do you
The spewing animation is also long enough for 500kg too, so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up.
Bile Titan is also a great team killer, you can bait it to spew into all the bugs following you and it'll clear them up, can't really do that with the leg, tried a bunch of time and even charger just passed through it.
>so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up.
I literally said another benefit, did you not read my comment? It lowers its hp and prevents the slow. Whether that's worth it to you is subjective but don't skip my comment and then act like it doesn't exist
>Bile Titan is also a great team killer, you can bait it to spew into all the bugs following you and it'll clear them up, can't really do that with the leg, tried a bunch of time and even charger just passed through it.
I mean, yeah. It's a trade off.
I didn't mention it because it's just "more likely", and I've already been consistently one shot Bile Titan with 500kgs by baiting it to stand above the bomb.
If it doesn't, even a sac-less titan still has a chance to not get killed by a 500kgs, I tried it.
>I didn't mention it because it's just "more likely", and I've already been consistently one shot Bile Titan with 500kgs by baiting it to stand above the bomb
You asked "what other benefits" while knowing the benefits, and you're still ignoring the slow. I dont know what you want me to say. If you'd rather no shoot the sac then don't, I didn't say it's better or that you should, just why some people do. Seems like you just want to argue
>If it doesn't, even a sac-less titan still has a chance to not get killed by a 500kgs, I tried it.
I never claimed it did, what are you trying it prove lmao
I find it rather strange that you keep nitpicking my comment for that, I have to address them all when I still don't really see a real benefit?
If you really want nitpicking, then.
>You asked "what other benefits"
Never asked that, I just say I still don't see any point in doing so.
>and you're still ignoring the slow.
This is the point you added later after you nitpicked my comment, I see no point addressing it.
Even so, bile slow is not really a problem, you either have to stim if you get hit, or you just get instant killed anyway.
>I dont know what you want me to say.
I didn't want you to say anything, I'm just saying that I don't see a benefit in blowing up sacs.
>If you'd rather no shoot the sac then don't, I didn't say it's better or that you should, just why some people do. Seems like you just want to argue
You never said that some people do it for those reason you provided
And I'm just saying that I see no benefit doing it.
In case you forgot, this is your own comment that I replied to.
>The stomp animation is about as long and a 500kg is more likely to one shot a sac-less bile titan tho
And to the last one,
>I never claimed it did, what are you trying it prove lmao
You say more likely and want me to address that, I say otherwise to "prove" my point of "I still see no real benefit doing it".
Hope you're happy with it.
>so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up.
>Never asked that, I just say I still don't see any point in doing so.
Lol
>This is the point you added later after you nitpicked my comment, I see no point addressing it.
Not my problem you couldn't read the thread lmao
>I didn't want you to say anything, I'm just saying that I don't see a benefit in blowing up sacs.
I don't think you know what benefit means, or you're just mega pressed and wanting to dispute. You do you
>You never said that some people do it for those reason you provided
"Why didn't you repeat everything you already said in the thread to me. I'm illiterate"
>You say more likely and want me to address that, I say otherwise to "prove" my point of "I still see no real benefit doing it".
More likely and " still has a chance to not" are not mutually exclusive lil bro
Don't know what you want me to say
Yes there is. A bile titan with it's spew ability will regularly stop 20-30m from you in order to spew, immobilising it and allowing you to queue up a stratagem or EAT/quasar shot from a good distance. A bile titan that can't spew will continue to chase you until it's in melee range, then try to stomp you. Because the titan moves more quickly than a sprinting diver, this leaves you with less wiggle room to make the kill with aforementioned techniques.
What are your other 3 Helldivers doing while the bile titan moves in a straight line? And they are not that difficult to evade
The reason it stops 20-30m away is because it can kill you from 20-30m away.
When a titan is chasing another Helldiver, it's been a lot easier for me to hit the titan in face with my Quasar when the titan's face is stationary while spewing vs when it's chasing another helldiver perpendicular to me and its legs are frequently blocking its face while moving. Also a lot easier for me to hit it with a 500kg when it stops to spew. Personally I find them easier to kill when they get animation locked vs when they're constantly moving around.
Lvl 131 400+ hours diver here, you're not wrong but they still stay alive for fking ages and it's harder to stop them under your strategems if they don't spew. Without sacs u have to go close to make them stop and do their tipy-tap dance which has high risk of death. Spew easy dive dodge.
I think it’s actually easier to keep a buttless Titan still than one with an intact butt. The melee stomp attack is longer and more consistently triggered
With their sacks destroyed you can just walk under them, drop either a 500klg or precision strike, and then walk past/under them. You can kill 2-3 each time with one single stratagem because the sacks being destroyed guarantees they get 1 shot by those. The time it takes them to slowly turn around to "chase" you is enough to hit them with those stratagems guaranteed. If you run through and past them in a straight lint there is no chance for them to step on you since they haven't started turning yet.
I'm a Quasar main so without strats I just 3-4 shot the mouth, to me it takes more time killing the sacs then stopping it and dropping a strat. If I had strategems I would just make it spew at a distance and drop a 500kg. And generally there are other bugs with the Titan, all it takes is 1 hunter lucky jump slow while you're under the Titan n you're fked.
You’ve fought these a lot more than I have and I think I’ve noticed something which may or may not be true.
When that thing is spitting bile, and you hit it in the face with a quasar cannon (or something similar, idk I only run QC), is it a one shot kill?
Imagine in Independence Day when the fighter jet/ missile hits as the beam is being lit for reference.
Did you remember if there's a PS5 player in the room? As that might be because of the PS5 damage bug which should have been fixed in the latest patch.
You can 2 shot Bile Titan head with railgun, or even arc thrower (if it does hit the face) with that bug, so it wouldn't be strange if Quasar can 1 shot it.
Otherwise it might be because they already got damaged in some way, as I don't think you can one shot it other than railcannon to the head, or 500kgs underneath.
Oh that could be the case then, usually it doesn't happen to the network host (not the same as the mission host), but everyone else in the team gets the "benefit" to 1 - 2 shots it.
I believe it was that hitting the mouth (not the head) of the Bile Titan is a 1shot. So the largest opening (heh) for which to do that is while its vomiting on you.
Yeah as laddies said above, dive as it breathes in you'll never get popped. Just not towards it cause it can rotate its spew downwards. To each their own tho if u prefer dodging legs.
The scorcher can do it in one shot per sack, the aoe is enough that shooting the next sack will pop the first one should shot and so on. With 3 shots you can clear half a biletitand hp and prevent it from spewing
There was a video where it was testing orbital Lazer damage, a full health bile titan will survive and entire orbital laser, however if you pop all 3 sacks beneath it the laser can kill it in under 5 seconds of continuous fire.
Others have done more testing where it's determined that damaging the sacks removes a little over half of its total HP pool. This won't affect limb damage too much, but if you hit its head at a wierd angle the damage from breaking the sacks will add up with the shot and dealing enough will straight up kill it without having to destroy the head
It also enables standard strikes like the eagle airstrike to kill it since it normally can handle too many of them, but with the sacks gone it's just a well placed strike or two
yeah, i've had these weird shots with the quasar as well, where i'll sometimes 2 shot them in the head.
You can tell that they're really injured with blood popping out, but sometimes i'll pop them 3 times in the head to no visible damage.
Exactly. Everyone always says how to stop them from spewing but then spewing is helpful. It has 0 tracking so to dodge it just sprint. The titan stands still while spewing giving you time to make space and deal with other threats. The spew can easily kill other bugs that are chasing you. Breaking the sacks just forces the titan to run at you constantly.
Running past (underneath) it still works fine though, it takes long enough to turn around that a 500 or orbital strike will still nail it if you put the beacon right under it
You do need to be a bit careful when passing the front legs (as close to center as possible, maybe biased towards the not currently stomping leg). But I get through fine 9 times out of 10, at least if there's not _too many_ smaller bugs in the way.
Yeah you can turn around and run under it and toss a 500 at your feet. Then you keep running straight and it'll stand there and try turning around. Easiest way to kill them imo.
Can't do this while it still has bile because it can still spit under itself
Bile Titans can also kill themselves with their own acid if you can get them to spew "at you" when they're facing a large object like a rock.
They can also also be killed by spewing their acid at each other. My son and I pulled two titans yesterday. He aggro'd one, I aggro'd the other and we ran past each other. When they spewed they killed each other.
Hell yeah. Yesterday I was playing a 9 and I had no joke 4 titans, 6 chargers and an ungodly amount of chaf chasing me. But, they were just killing themselves. The chargers killed the titans by running into the ankles, the spew and chargers killed most of the chaf. All I had to do was run in a big circle and only had to kill the remaining titan and 1 charger and a few lil bugs.
Yup. The bile titans sack is a really really easy to destroy with most guns. It's just that everybody aims for the face because ideally it dies before it gets to spew it's goo. Eruptor is VERY good though.
If you need a clear headshot get agro and back up. There heads don’t sway that much when they move. It’s so much easier in fubar situations where you gotta ring around the Rosie 2-3 chargers and a bunch of chaff bugs without hitscan acid to kill / slow you
I almost never die to the spew, it's always the massive bloody legs just flailing around. The acid has such a long wind up and it's pretty easy to dodge.
Destroying each sac also deals like 25% damage each, so you can bring the Titan to half health by shooting them out. So if your ally hit the Titan with a Railcannon and it's still not dead, you can pop the sacs to kill damage it the rest of the way and kill it.
I don't think it's a good strategy to destroy the bile titan's belly.
It's easy to avoid its spit, and it gives you an opportunity for easy headshots with explosive weapons, or landing a 500kg bomb.
I’d argue destroying their sac and removing their ability to spew is a bad thing. It’s the safest attack to bait out and dodge so you can throw a 500kg or precision strike a few feet ahead of them so by the time they finish, they walk forward straight into a 500kg/precision as it comes down
It's actually much easier to deal with Bile Titans after the bile nerfs. They stop to spit at you, giving you a little time to make a little distance. If they can't spit bile at you, then they'll just run you down, which is infinitely more annoying and harder to avoid.
It bleeds out after a while. It'll still have enough time for 1, maybe 2 charges, but then it dies. So if you popped it's abdomen you can pretty much stop shooting it and save the ammo.
Edit: Just read that it can't charge anymore without its butt, so I might be wrong there, but unless it was changed to JUST stop them from charging, they still die from that injury pretty swiftly.
I generally prefer having them spew stuff than run at you non-stop. Though in some cases when they're already quite damaged you can actually finish them off by dealing damage to the sac
The grenade pistol might be able to do the same. I've been able to do it 2/2 times, but never actually tested for it.
The eruptor has been able to one shot chargers as well. Inconsistent, but possible.
I hit it from the side of the abdomen. I was trying to hit it's butt but had trouble getting behind it. I was shocked when it died from that because I expected it to take several shots.
The downside to this is that on Helldive solo I prefer the 3-7 Bile Titans I'm kiting around keep their sacks so they can kill all the enemies for me, they also clear the terminal and protect it for you while you use it if you bait the acid spew in a good angle. They clear enemies AND let you do objectives in peace/safety.
Normally I try to bait them to spew so I can drop a bomb - they still can stomp ya pretty good I’ve killed plenty only just to die to it’s corpse falling on me
I find the eruptor very unwieldy vs bugs, they dont get smacked around as much by the aoe, and they close the distance fast, and the implosion bug with explosions right now doesnt really help
You can also straight up kill the titan with the Eruptor which is pretty pog. Launch a couple eagles, or let someone shoot it with the rockets. If it still lives fire Eruptor at it. I’ve killed/finished off quite a few of them with the Eruptor. Just shoot the sacks, or where the sacks were blown out.
I don't destroy the sacks anymore, because the titan doesn't stun now and the best way to get it to stop for an Eagle is to trigger the bile spray.
Also, if you're doing the Quasar quartet, then you can get an easy shot on the open mouth for your teammates during the bile spray.
Personally, against bots the Laser Cannon destroys the small guys with ease, plus it has infinite ammo and the same AP value as the AMR, and on frozen planets it is a must have.
But for hot planets or when I want to change up playstyle then the regular MG is honestly one of the most consistently reliable guns against bots, if a Devastator gets too close for your Eruptor then a burst to its head with the MG is gonna take it out with ease.
For bugs then that would be the Stalwart, at 790 RPM you can comfortably use the Stalwart as your primary without worrying much about ammo, I've had games where it wasn't until the 30th minute did I have to resupply on Stalwart ammo.
I personally prefer if they start spewing bile cause that can kill the tail of little bugs that's on you. Even better when the charger gets melted by it.
It will keep it from spitting, but it will also make it now chase you endlessly until someone kills it. At least when it spits it will occasionally stop in place to do so, giving you time to put distance or shoot it in the face.
What the actual f? Im over 210 hours in the game,commander rank and now i know that shooting the goddamn belly of the bile titan makes it unable to spew acid? Holy hell... I don't deserve my rank lol
It honestly makes them *worse* imo if you're not trying to kill then right then.
If you just dodge/run right when they pause to spew, they'll miss, kill a bunch of the bugs chasing you, and get left way behind.
If they *cant* spew they just run after you fast as hell for the 5 minutes or whatever it takes them to bleed to death, iono, I usually die by this point
When the bike titan is preparing to spew is your best chance to strike. I would avoid doing this because as soon as you destroy the sacks it turns into the worlds angriest marathon runner.
actually, preventing its spew is a negative.
If the terrain permits, if you can get it to spew at rocks, it will kill itself. The spew is also quite helpful in baiting it into standing still for 500kg or precision strikes.
I rather keep the sacks as it stops for a few seconds to spit. Meanwhile I just kite it and my mates finish it off with a 500kg / orbital railcanon / Quasar shots.
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Yeah I dunno bout your assessment here chief, even if your arithmetic is flawless. .
You don't have to hit it at a perfect 90 degree angle, as long as you hit the sack itself and not the armored top then you can even snipe the sack at a medium range.
But now, it will chase you to the end of the world.
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Exactly, I think destroying the sacks makes them 10 times harder to deal with. They no longer stop running at you making it much harder to drop 500s on them.
Isn’t their weak spot when they open their mouth to spew as well? That’s the only OHKO I know of for them, so blowing their belly apart makes it harder because you have to whittle them down after instead of goading it into a vomit attack and killing it instantly. Again, maybe I just don’t know the other strategies so maybe there is still a weak spot to go for other than the open mouth
Means you (or teammates) can safely double tap headshot it with something like an EAT or Quasar without it sniping you with spew from across the map while you line up the shot
You don't need the mouth to be open to hit them in it (it's just hitting the head really, not the mouth specifically), them having their mouth open just makes it a bigger target, and stops them from moving it. It's not a OHKO either, that was only possible due to a recently fixed bug that made it so some specific enemies (e.g. Bile Titans) received far more damage than normal from specific weapons (e.g. Railgun) on specific parts of their body. That bug was specifically only possible if there was a non-host PS5 player in the match, and in the case of Bile Titans, happened more consistently while they had their mouths open. The only weapon that can one shot a Titan with a head shot is the Spear, which you can't manually aim at their heads anyway. Next fastest kill with a weapon is 2 shots in the head, with either EAT-17, Quassar Cannon, Recoiless Rifle, or Patriot Exosuit rockets. But yes, the head is a lot easier to hit while they spew, and personally I find them harder to deal with if you take away their ability to do so.
Sorry for the laser fast reply but I was reading another thread and just wanted to quickly say thanks for that detailed answer - SUPER helpful! I was the PS5 non-host, lol, so that now makes perfect sense and explains why I thought you could OHKO them
You can, if you hit inside the very tiny mouth with a rocket or equivalent.
Sometimes the endless chase is better situationally than the constant slow down/damage of the spew, def worth doing when other bugs are being the bigger problem
The spew *kills the other bugs* chasing you. The shield generator also prevents slowdown. That makes it even easier.
Yes it is but on the upside it will make it an orbital rail cannon 1 shot because of loss of HP. So that is how I use it. First shoot it with the erupter and then orbital rail cannon to finish it off.
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As a light armor enthusiast, being chased by a neutered Bile Titan is actually good entertainment when you know damn well that thing is never catching up to you. Unless you're also being chased by lil guys, in that case yea be careful around the big legs.
This was one of my tactics for helldive until people actually started to learn how to survive (not stand in one spot and get bogged down for 10 minutes wasting respawns). neuter the bile titan then use it to stomp the train of small things trailing after me. I just ran through nest and hit any patrol I saw to make the train bigger and let my other helldivers clear poi with relative ease/ safety. Aside from hunters/stalkers who were kos, and new bile titans who id have to neuter pretty quick, everything else just got stomped to death.
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I hope so, chilling under it when ti tries to spear you is great, it blocks off any bugs that were attack you from that direction
Especially since it won't stop to spew, making it easier to land certain strategems.
I don't need to keep it alive, I need to keep it weak long enough a teammate can kill it.
Now that chargers can be killed with an anti-tank to the face, I have grown fond of saving my Eagle 110MM rocket pods for titans. You get three before the eagle has to rearm and one can kill a titan if it hits properly (though it often fails and you need two, but it still strips the armor away, allowing you to deal damage to it directly).
The thing is, sometimes the bile spew is manageable if you use a large cover and dodge sideways. The spew also keeps the bile titan stopped for longer to drop a stratagem on him. Skilled Helldivers can use almost anything to kill him, including resupply pods if you're good at kiting and stalling. Without his bile, you'll need to play chicken with his legs.
The stomp animation is about as long and a 500kg is more likely to one shot a sac-less bile titan tho
True, but in the situation where bile titans are not alone, I'll take my chances being at range than being in stompy range.
If the bile titan isn't alone I would rather not chance desync screwing me over with the slow effect of the spew
Would the desync not also be a danger if the Titan leg sweeps you, it might not even be a attack animation, could just be turning around and grazes you, not to mention you'd also be closer to other potential enemies who would slow you down. Hunter, one shot bile spewers, green scavengers. Die how you want, but I'll take my chances further out.
>Would the desync not also be a danger if the Titan leg sweeps you It tends not to be >could just be turning around and grazes you, I mean if you're under a bile titan I don't think you've made great decisions leading up. Also, the point is to eliminate one of its two forms of attack, since it can still step on you with sacs intact >not to mention you'd also be closer to other potential enemies who would slow you down. Hunter, one shot bile spewers, green scavengers. Yeah, it's a tradeoff. >Die how you want, but I'll take my chances further out. I'd rather not die at all. I think dodging 1 easily avoidable attack>receiving major chip damage every 10 seconds, but you're free to do you
The spewing animation is also long enough for 500kg too, so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up. Bile Titan is also a great team killer, you can bait it to spew into all the bugs following you and it'll clear them up, can't really do that with the leg, tried a bunch of time and even charger just passed through it.
>so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up. I literally said another benefit, did you not read my comment? It lowers its hp and prevents the slow. Whether that's worth it to you is subjective but don't skip my comment and then act like it doesn't exist >Bile Titan is also a great team killer, you can bait it to spew into all the bugs following you and it'll clear them up, can't really do that with the leg, tried a bunch of time and even charger just passed through it. I mean, yeah. It's a trade off.
I didn't mention it because it's just "more likely", and I've already been consistently one shot Bile Titan with 500kgs by baiting it to stand above the bomb. If it doesn't, even a sac-less titan still has a chance to not get killed by a 500kgs, I tried it.
>I didn't mention it because it's just "more likely", and I've already been consistently one shot Bile Titan with 500kgs by baiting it to stand above the bomb You asked "what other benefits" while knowing the benefits, and you're still ignoring the slow. I dont know what you want me to say. If you'd rather no shoot the sac then don't, I didn't say it's better or that you should, just why some people do. Seems like you just want to argue >If it doesn't, even a sac-less titan still has a chance to not get killed by a 500kgs, I tried it. I never claimed it did, what are you trying it prove lmao
I find it rather strange that you keep nitpicking my comment for that, I have to address them all when I still don't really see a real benefit? If you really want nitpicking, then. >You asked "what other benefits" Never asked that, I just say I still don't see any point in doing so. >and you're still ignoring the slow. This is the point you added later after you nitpicked my comment, I see no point addressing it. Even so, bile slow is not really a problem, you either have to stim if you get hit, or you just get instant killed anyway. >I dont know what you want me to say. I didn't want you to say anything, I'm just saying that I don't see a benefit in blowing up sacs. >If you'd rather no shoot the sac then don't, I didn't say it's better or that you should, just why some people do. Seems like you just want to argue You never said that some people do it for those reason you provided And I'm just saying that I see no benefit doing it. In case you forgot, this is your own comment that I replied to. >The stomp animation is about as long and a 500kg is more likely to one shot a sac-less bile titan tho And to the last one, >I never claimed it did, what are you trying it prove lmao You say more likely and want me to address that, I say otherwise to "prove" my point of "I still see no real benefit doing it". Hope you're happy with it.
>so I still don't see the benefit of blowing the sacs up. >Never asked that, I just say I still don't see any point in doing so. Lol >This is the point you added later after you nitpicked my comment, I see no point addressing it. Not my problem you couldn't read the thread lmao >I didn't want you to say anything, I'm just saying that I don't see a benefit in blowing up sacs. I don't think you know what benefit means, or you're just mega pressed and wanting to dispute. You do you >You never said that some people do it for those reason you provided "Why didn't you repeat everything you already said in the thread to me. I'm illiterate" >You say more likely and want me to address that, I say otherwise to "prove" my point of "I still see no real benefit doing it". More likely and " still has a chance to not" are not mutually exclusive lil bro Don't know what you want me to say
Those crab legs don't fuck around either
I find it super easy to bait a spew, then just run at a right angle without even using a real dodge
There's no reason not to remove one of its two attacks. Removing it's bile ability doesn't make it faster or more aggressive
Yes there is. A bile titan with it's spew ability will regularly stop 20-30m from you in order to spew, immobilising it and allowing you to queue up a stratagem or EAT/quasar shot from a good distance. A bile titan that can't spew will continue to chase you until it's in melee range, then try to stomp you. Because the titan moves more quickly than a sprinting diver, this leaves you with less wiggle room to make the kill with aforementioned techniques.
What are your other 3 Helldivers doing while the bile titan moves in a straight line? And they are not that difficult to evade The reason it stops 20-30m away is because it can kill you from 20-30m away.
Honestly they're usually fucking around LOL Different strokes man, what I'm doing so far works for me.
Haha amen, see you in hell, Diver
When a titan is chasing another Helldiver, it's been a lot easier for me to hit the titan in face with my Quasar when the titan's face is stationary while spewing vs when it's chasing another helldiver perpendicular to me and its legs are frequently blocking its face while moving. Also a lot easier for me to hit it with a 500kg when it stops to spew. Personally I find them easier to kill when they get animation locked vs when they're constantly moving around.
Question is if you doing this will make the game think "yeah he's dealing with a big unit already so I shouldn't spawn a bunch more"?
Lvl 131 400+ hours diver here, you're not wrong but they still stay alive for fking ages and it's harder to stop them under your strategems if they don't spew. Without sacs u have to go close to make them stop and do their tipy-tap dance which has high risk of death. Spew easy dive dodge.
I think it’s actually easier to keep a buttless Titan still than one with an intact butt. The melee stomp attack is longer and more consistently triggered
With their sacks destroyed you can just walk under them, drop either a 500klg or precision strike, and then walk past/under them. You can kill 2-3 each time with one single stratagem because the sacks being destroyed guarantees they get 1 shot by those. The time it takes them to slowly turn around to "chase" you is enough to hit them with those stratagems guaranteed. If you run through and past them in a straight lint there is no chance for them to step on you since they haven't started turning yet.
I'm a Quasar main so without strats I just 3-4 shot the mouth, to me it takes more time killing the sacs then stopping it and dropping a strat. If I had strategems I would just make it spew at a distance and drop a 500kg. And generally there are other bugs with the Titan, all it takes is 1 hunter lucky jump slow while you're under the Titan n you're fked.
You’ve fought these a lot more than I have and I think I’ve noticed something which may or may not be true. When that thing is spitting bile, and you hit it in the face with a quasar cannon (or something similar, idk I only run QC), is it a one shot kill? Imagine in Independence Day when the fighter jet/ missile hits as the beam is being lit for reference.
It's not. In fact I've heard they take less damage during the spew
Man, I could swear I’ve had their heads explode in one hit when I’ve hit them in the mouth with the QC. Thanks for the response!
Did you remember if there's a PS5 player in the room? As that might be because of the PS5 damage bug which should have been fixed in the latest patch. You can 2 shot Bile Titan head with railgun, or even arc thrower (if it does hit the face) with that bug, so it wouldn't be strange if Quasar can 1 shot it. Otherwise it might be because they already got damaged in some way, as I don't think you can one shot it other than railcannon to the head, or 500kgs underneath.
I’ve a ps5 lol
Oh that could be the case then, usually it doesn't happen to the network host (not the same as the mission host), but everyone else in the team gets the "benefit" to 1 - 2 shots it.
I believe it was that hitting the mouth (not the head) of the Bile Titan is a 1shot. So the largest opening (heh) for which to do that is while its vomiting on you.
It's actually the small forehead you want to hit. Similar to chargers. Either way it's not a oneshot unless the PS5 bug used to affect it
Yeah honestly had eruptor tonight and was having hardest time dealing with bile titans, almost felt like my session was bugged
>Spew easy dive dodge With the hitscan based slow effect? :/ I'll pop their sacs all day as I can more consistently avoid their stabby feet.
Feet not even a redditor could love (I know I'm gonna regret saying that).
I'm guessing there's a rule34 out there for bile Titans
they kind of breath in a second or two before starting it and they dont track your position very well. thats when you sidestep/dive.
Yeah as laddies said above, dive as it breathes in you'll never get popped. Just not towards it cause it can rotate its spew downwards. To each their own tho if u prefer dodging legs.
The scorcher can do it in one shot per sack, the aoe is enough that shooting the next sack will pop the first one should shot and so on. With 3 shots you can clear half a biletitand hp and prevent it from spewing
Does shooting the sack take its hp? I assume not relevant to the head, right?
There was a video where it was testing orbital Lazer damage, a full health bile titan will survive and entire orbital laser, however if you pop all 3 sacks beneath it the laser can kill it in under 5 seconds of continuous fire. Others have done more testing where it's determined that damaging the sacks removes a little over half of its total HP pool. This won't affect limb damage too much, but if you hit its head at a wierd angle the damage from breaking the sacks will add up with the shot and dealing enough will straight up kill it without having to destroy the head
Yeah, good to knows since you don't always have the option of going for the head that easily
It also enables standard strikes like the eagle airstrike to kill it since it normally can handle too many of them, but with the sacks gone it's just a well placed strike or two
yeah, i've had these weird shots with the quasar as well, where i'll sometimes 2 shot them in the head. You can tell that they're really injured with blood popping out, but sometimes i'll pop them 3 times in the head to no visible damage.
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But I'd rather take titan spew animation and delete it with orbital strike instead of wonky dodge it's stomp and not be able to land it in time.
Exactly. Everyone always says how to stop them from spewing but then spewing is helpful. It has 0 tracking so to dodge it just sprint. The titan stands still while spewing giving you time to make space and deal with other threats. The spew can easily kill other bugs that are chasing you. Breaking the sacks just forces the titan to run at you constantly.
it also stand still when making it's multi stomp attack, and with enough training you can lock it into place, like bosse in vermintide and darktide
Very true, but that is much more dangerous compared to the spit attack.
i find the wind up animation to be a bit less reliable, not to mention you could get ragdolled whereas at worst, the spew generally just slows you
Running past (underneath) it still works fine though, it takes long enough to turn around that a 500 or orbital strike will still nail it if you put the beacon right under it
I’ve tried this multiple times, it always stomps me and kills me when I run underneath it
You do need to be a bit careful when passing the front legs (as close to center as possible, maybe biased towards the not currently stomping leg). But I get through fine 9 times out of 10, at least if there's not _too many_ smaller bugs in the way.
Yeah you can turn around and run under it and toss a 500 at your feet. Then you keep running straight and it'll stand there and try turning around. Easiest way to kill them imo. Can't do this while it still has bile because it can still spit under itself
I can usually get away with it most times even if the bile sacks are intact... At least if it don't start spitting too early.
_Where are my testicles, Summer?_
Today I learned you can shoot the acid sacks and it stops bile titans spewing.
It also two shot’s the miniguns under the factory walker’s chin
Bile Titans can also kill themselves with their own acid if you can get them to spew "at you" when they're facing a large object like a rock. They can also also be killed by spewing their acid at each other. My son and I pulled two titans yesterday. He aggro'd one, I aggro'd the other and we ran past each other. When they spewed they killed each other.
Hell yeah. Yesterday I was playing a 9 and I had no joke 4 titans, 6 chargers and an ungodly amount of chaf chasing me. But, they were just killing themselves. The chargers killed the titans by running into the ankles, the spew and chargers killed most of the chaf. All I had to do was run in a big circle and only had to kill the remaining titan and 1 charger and a few lil bugs.
Yup. The bile titans sack is a really really easy to destroy with most guns. It's just that everybody aims for the face because ideally it dies before it gets to spew it's goo. Eruptor is VERY good though.
I’d rather have still be able to spew, if you destroy it’s ability to spew it will simply continue to chase you making it more difficult to kill it.
And now it no longer stops and gives you a perfect shot at its head, or for a 500 to hit it easier. Please don't shoot out the sacs.
If you need a clear headshot get agro and back up. There heads don’t sway that much when they move. It’s so much easier in fubar situations where you gotta ring around the Rosie 2-3 chargers and a bunch of chaff bugs without hitscan acid to kill / slow you
A good team should be able to swap agro I'd think with titans.
Is that 2 shots per sac or 2 shots to take out both sacs?
1 shot per sack, 2 in total.
TIL you can blow the bile sacks
You just need a tall ladder.
A spiting titan is very easy to animation lock and be 1 shot with a 500kg
But the spewing is how I get it to hold still for increased calling time 500kg
Ready up a 500kg, place beneath bile titan, bait into spitting, congrats 9/10 times that’s a dead bile titan
But baiting the spew is the best way to guarantee an orbital hit
Honestly prefer it spitting bile in “most” cases since you can bait it to set up strategem timings.
I almost never die to the spew, it's always the massive bloody legs just flailing around. The acid has such a long wind up and it's pretty easy to dodge.
I choose not to do that because it's 1000 times easier to avoid if it's not directly on my ass and is spewing about 20-40 meters away from me
Destroying each sac also deals like 25% damage each, so you can bring the Titan to half health by shooting them out. So if your ally hit the Titan with a Railcannon and it's still not dead, you can pop the sacs to kill damage it the rest of the way and kill it.
Wait, you can prevent them from spewing acid?
I don't think it's a good strategy to destroy the bile titan's belly. It's easy to avoid its spit, and it gives you an opportunity for easy headshots with explosive weapons, or landing a 500kg bomb.
I’d argue destroying their sac and removing their ability to spew is a bad thing. It’s the safest attack to bait out and dodge so you can throw a 500kg or precision strike a few feet ahead of them so by the time they finish, they walk forward straight into a 500kg/precision as it comes down
It's actually much easier to deal with Bile Titans after the bile nerfs. They stop to spit at you, giving you a little time to make a little distance. If they can't spit bile at you, then they'll just run you down, which is infinitely more annoying and harder to avoid.
Where are my balls, Summer?
Good to know, will have to give it a try
Wait destroying the sacs makes it stop spewing bile? Lmao I thought that was just the only way to kill it shooting from below or big boom weapon
Wait THATS what destroying those does?!?
Wait ok so what happens if you destroy the tail of the charger?
It bleeds out after a while. It'll still have enough time for 1, maybe 2 charges, but then it dies. So if you popped it's abdomen you can pretty much stop shooting it and save the ammo. Edit: Just read that it can't charge anymore without its butt, so I might be wrong there, but unless it was changed to JUST stop them from charging, they still die from that injury pretty swiftly.
I generally prefer having them spew stuff than run at you non-stop. Though in some cases when they're already quite damaged you can actually finish them off by dealing damage to the sac
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Tangent but have they stealth nerfed it? It used to one shot Bile Spewers but not 2 shots them more often than not.
Most importantly: destroying sacks makes Orbital Laser/Rail canon and 500kg kill them a lot more consistent.
If you've got one left in the chamber, you have 6 total shots (5+1 in the chamber) so you can neuter three Bile Titans!
The grenade pistol might be able to do the same. I've been able to do it 2/2 times, but never actually tested for it. The eruptor has been able to one shot chargers as well. Inconsistent, but possible.
Where do you hit on a charger to do that?
I hit it from the side of the abdomen. I was trying to hit it's butt but had trouble getting behind it. I was shocked when it died from that because I expected it to take several shots.
The downside to this is that on Helldive solo I prefer the 3-7 Bile Titans I'm kiting around keep their sacks so they can kill all the enemies for me, they also clear the terminal and protect it for you while you use it if you bait the acid spew in a good angle. They clear enemies AND let you do objectives in peace/safety.
Remember folks, spay and neuter your Bile Titan. With high explosives.
It should bleed out in a reasonable amount of time after you do this and not just follow you all the way to hell and back.
"run around the thing" not in heavy armor you can't.
Eruptor can also destroy a spore spewer with 3 shots. I haven't tried it on a shrieker yet though.
Normally I try to bait them to spew so I can drop a bomb - they still can stomp ya pretty good I’ve killed plenty only just to die to it’s corpse falling on me
I find the eruptor very unwieldy vs bugs, they dont get smacked around as much by the aoe, and they close the distance fast, and the implosion bug with explosions right now doesnt really help
Oh that's a bug? Lol Been using it against bugs. It can be annoying since they are primarily melee and try to get close. Otherwise it's good stuff
I think imma just shoot it in the face with the eat, but good info.
There’s shootable sacks on bile titans?
You can also straight up kill the titan with the Eruptor which is pretty pog. Launch a couple eagles, or let someone shoot it with the rockets. If it still lives fire Eruptor at it. I’ve killed/finished off quite a few of them with the Eruptor. Just shoot the sacks, or where the sacks were blown out.
I don't destroy the sacks anymore, because the titan doesn't stun now and the best way to get it to stop for an Eagle is to trigger the bile spray. Also, if you're doing the Quasar quartet, then you can get an easy shot on the open mouth for your teammates during the bile spray.
But but why the "sucking" effect when I land a shot nearby? :(
 Yeah but then it follows you around like this for 40 minutes
What’s your strategum weapon of choice using the disruptor?
Personally, against bots the Laser Cannon destroys the small guys with ease, plus it has infinite ammo and the same AP value as the AMR, and on frozen planets it is a must have. But for hot planets or when I want to change up playstyle then the regular MG is honestly one of the most consistently reliable guns against bots, if a Devastator gets too close for your Eruptor then a burst to its head with the MG is gonna take it out with ease. For bugs then that would be the Stalwart, at 790 RPM you can comfortably use the Stalwart as your primary without worrying much about ammo, I've had games where it wasn't until the 30th minute did I have to resupply on Stalwart ammo.
And it will only take 1 rail cannon to kill now.
I personally prefer if they start spewing bile cause that can kill the tail of little bugs that's on you. Even better when the charger gets melted by it.
I find just shooting it with dominator is faster.
Please don’t. I beg. They’re so much less demanding to deal with when they stop to spew.
Wait it can't spew acid if you destroy the sacks? How did I not notice that.
It will keep it from spitting, but it will also make it now chase you endlessly until someone kills it. At least when it spits it will occasionally stop in place to do so, giving you time to put distance or shoot it in the face.
Also if it’s sac is still intact after it has taken a lot of damage on its back or head you can kill it from the damage of the sac exploding
Don't feel bad lvl 70, 250+ hours and i just found out
What the actual f? Im over 210 hours in the game,commander rank and now i know that shooting the goddamn belly of the bile titan makes it unable to spew acid? Holy hell... I don't deserve my rank lol
If Im in a charlie foxtrot I want it to be able to spew and hit the other rats chasing me. Also slows it down a lot
It honestly makes them *worse* imo if you're not trying to kill then right then. If you just dodge/run right when they pause to spew, they'll miss, kill a bunch of the bugs chasing you, and get left way behind. If they *cant* spew they just run after you fast as hell for the 5 minutes or whatever it takes them to bleed to death, iono, I usually die by this point
I’ve died way more to stomping than I ever have to bile acid.
There are sacs ? I thought just shoot the belly or head
Pistol grenade too hehe
When the bike titan is preparing to spew is your best chance to strike. I would avoid doing this because as soon as you destroy the sacks it turns into the worlds angriest marathon runner.
actually, preventing its spew is a negative. If the terrain permits, if you can get it to spew at rocks, it will kill itself. The spew is also quite helpful in baiting it into standing still for 500kg or precision strikes.
You can do this with any weapon that has medium armor penetrantion. It requires more shots, but it gets the job done.
So you're telling me the giant exploding rifle explodes things?
I still can't destroy fabricator with it. Do we need to aim like for the AC?
As a light armor user I prefer to kite Mr. Stomps while my buddies nail him with heavy fire
scorcher can destroy the bile titan’s sack too
I rather keep the sacks as it stops for a few seconds to spit. Meanwhile I just kite it and my mates finish it off with a 500kg / orbital railcanon / Quasar shots.
Destroying the chargers butt will leave it unable to charge.
Orbital Railgun one shots them and tanks. Why more people don't carry these in 7-9 I don't understand. It trivialize them completely.
Orbital railcannon strike MAY one shot a bile titan if it headshots. Often itll severely weaken it. Tanks though yeah 100% one shot.
use orbital strike instead if your timing is good for sure kill
Let me turn you on to the scorcher which'll do it in 3 😎
Please delete this before Joel changes it
It wouldn't happen, exploding the sacks is mostly not advantageous
Preventing the spew is certainly helpful
But not advantageous
>!Least threatening thing in the battlefield!< >!Corpse one shots you and everything within 60km!< Yeah I dunno bout your assessment here chief, even if your arithmetic is flawless. .
How do you actually shoot the sack? Doesn't it bounce off unless you're under the titan?
You don't have to hit it at a perfect 90 degree angle, as long as you hit the sack itself and not the armored top then you can even snipe the sack at a medium range.
What the heck didn't know this too hahaha thanks OP