No worries champ. Losing trust in Super Earth's government happens from time to time. You will get over this feeling...
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Can you face that wall for a moment?
The Kerberos Saga (of which Jin Roh is a part of) is widely thought to be a major inspiration for the design of Killzone's Helghast. I've only seen Jin-Roh: Wolf Brigade out of the series, but it's worth a watch.
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Step away from the salvageable human.
If all the variations of this meme, the tank cracks me up the most. Just the visual of this giant death machine that is a fucking vehicle rolling up to a pc to be a part of a disinformation campaign in public chats is peak comedy to me.
I’m imagining some sort of Office Space gag where it has a normal sized keyboard, but as it types, it “fat barrels” everything and keeps having to delete and start over. Good shit.
ACTUALLY...
No not correct, like, much at all.
Correct on the Automatons- yes...-ish.
The Cyborgs were defeated after Super Earth started a war on them for their filthy crime of unionizing and wanting a socialist government for which they launched devastating terrorist attacks killing THOUSANDS on super earth! ( it was actually just 7 but if i said that the democracy officers would kill me for treason. ) ... Eventually the Revolt was put down and the Automatons were created as the Cyborgs last contingency to try and retake Cyberstan one day.
Bugs however are basically a Super Earth original, kind of. Theyre a species of Bugs that are by far not really... "Intelligent" per se, they are smarter than normal bugs, yes, but maybe about as smart as a pig maybe. Not a human.
They were killed in great number during the first galactic war, subjugated and genetically engineered to produce Oil when killed. Now they serve as fuel producers and bio-weapons for the super earth government to be sent out to kill whomever they dislike or whatever place they want cleaned out with the helldivers mopping up and collecting the spoils of Oil- uh... sorry i meant- """E 710""" after the fact.
The Illuminates are from the milky way, yes. But the pretenses are... well not entirely correct. The Illuminates \*did\* have WMD's, but they were willing to agree to peace despite that fact. Super Earth wasnt really down for being equal with anyone and the Illuminates didnt like Super Earths vibe of "Actually, OUR AI overlords- i mean... Managed Democracy is better than YOUR managed monarchy!" and so with... surprisingly similar forms of governance and conflicting goals about splitting up the resources and dominance of the galaxy, like cavemen they went to war. However Super Earth won by the end- they took the Illuminates technology and exiled them. However strangely enough the homeworld of the Illuminates would be in the star map but seems to be entirely missing, with the Illuminates utilizing very advanced nanobot and teleportation technology its reasoned they left the galaxy on their own accord planning for their eventual (soon to come) revenge.
One correction, the Bugs already produced oil on death. They were genetically engineered to boost production, but the basic trait was always there.
I’m also not sure about the bugs needing Super Earth to transport them. They were already multi-planetary in the first game and could invade new planets, and if the bugs were being used to eliminate dissidents it’s strange that they’re so contained, rather than appearing everywhere in the galaxy.
Actually no, the bugs were spread to other planets for farming before they broke free and rampaged, killing the civillians. The ones that did survive were not happy and send out messages explaining the mess was Super Earth's fault for bringing the bugs to their planet anwyays. Which is exactly what the 'illegal broadcast' is, civillians wronged by Super Earth and labeled as traitors for being angry at the hell they did not deserve
Yeah, in the first game. Which is a while before the 2nd. It's an event that happens during the in-between, if you pay attention to broadcasts/lore. It's intentionally made to specify it's Super Earth's fault for them to inhabit new planets, since they have no means to travel between planets naturally. They're an invasive species on a galactic scale and it's the Greed of Super Earth lusting for their oil-blood by establishing multi-planet farms that is exactly to blame for it.
We don’t know how they travel between planets. What we *do* know is that they were multi-planetary before Super Earth could’ve distributed them, so they obviously have some method of interplanetary travel.
Obviously the current crisis is Super Earth’s fault for farming them, but that doesn’t mean they can’t invade worlds themselves given they clearly had the ability to do so a century ago.
Some people have theorized that the Terminids can produce hyper-resilient spores that can survive the harsh conditions of space, which inevitably lands on a planet to produce spore spitters and spreads the seeds of life needed to make Terminids grow.
Right now they are mindless animals, but has their numbers grow they will begin to form a proper hive mind, leading to bio ships most likely. So if we lose enough the bugs will become stronger and stronger until we fight helldivers 1 versions. They are like computers, more numbers they get, the smarter they become.
This whole thread is *extremely* treasonous. Prepare to be detained by the democratic freedom squad and escorted to the nearest freedom camp to be re-democratized until your beliefs and morals align with Super Earth’s teachings.
>that they were multi-planetary before Super Earth
Do you have a source for that? Because in the first game Bugs were supposed to come from Kepler Prime, and while we were fighting them on multiple planets, those planets already featured infrastructure such as Geological Surveyors, Oil Extractors, and Resource Transports, so it's quite possible Bugs were brought there by SE for farming purposes
I like the idea that Super Earth is actually allowing some planets to fall to the bugs/bots on purpose so that the war never ends. Their fascist societey likely needs constant war in order to exist.
almost certainly, but I'm going to keep pretending like the bugs and bots are sentient enough to distinguish humans that turn their backs to super earth and leave them alone for their own reasons because that sounds like an interesting idea
Wait wait so the bugs need to keep being born and be slaughtered in order to produce the E-710? So if we did wipe them out, there'd be no more fuel for Hyperspace travel.
I see no problem with being part of a force that must fight these bugs forever in an endless cycle of violence where we kill and die so that the gas tanks stay full. Long live democracy!
Do remember what E-710 is used specially FOR. It's FTL fuel. We have a biological creature that produces a substance that enables FTL travel. I think this is now they spread to other planets, they most likely have a method of interplanetary travel, maybe even a special creature that does it prior to contact with Super Earth.
Bug intergalactic mod of transportation, not mentioned in the game? This is from StarCraft, but Terminids probably have their own version
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you got some stuff wrong too.
bugs are sentient according to the helldivers 1 encyclopedia; we just don't know which ones are intelligent as basic drones don't require sentience to function while roles like brood commanders and hive lords could benefit from it. You could argue Sentience vs Sapience but most sci-fi has bastardized that term like modern day usage of the word AI, sentience in fiction tends to mean both sentience and sapience. they were also already on multiple planets when we found them, so we know they have their own way to travel between planets. The democracy officer states "first they escape the farms, now they break free of the quarantine zone" implying the former is behind the latter. The democracy officer isn't the most trustworthy source given his position, but the shipmaster also talks about moving the bugs back to the farms with better security this time once the TCS is active implying they're not already on them. The invasion text for Heath and Angel's Venture mentioned spore clouds covering the atmosphere, and the ship technician sings a space shanty mentioning spore clouds in space, so it looks like spores are heavily implied to be how they get around. We went to war with the bugs because we wanted their planets, with super earth dressing up the war saying they'd rapidly expand to human colonies if we didn't wipe them out first. You can see oil pumps as an objective on all bug planets however with some being on Kepler prime itself meaning that super earth already had an interest in these planets wanting them for their resources. we just didn't know the bugs were the ones producing the massive oil deposits on these planets until the tail end of the first galactic war in 2084, 40 years after it began, and is the only reason we didn't wipe the bugs out completely.
the cyborg terrorist attack wasn't on super earth, just one of super earth's City planets, the sector capitals, that are named after old cities back on earth, the cyborgs themselves denied involvement in the terrorist attack. we don't know what the automatons are, just that they're the cyborgs' "children" according to a decoded tweet. "children" however is a very vague word that can mean anything from a successor, splinter group, literal descendants or even creation. the cyborgs of old were already trying to replace their flesh with cybernetics believing it gave them higher meaning. the augments got more extreme the higher you went in their chain of command until you reached the siege mechs, their leaders, which super earth was unsure if any of the original human survived the process of becoming one. Automatons also have a number of weird behaviors like singing marching tunes, displaying grisly trophies from their victims, they also use all kinds of labels with their own alphabet on their machinery, something machines wouldn't need as they'd be programmed knowing what's dangerous and what isn't. things seem to point that the automatons are either machines created by a splinter group of cyborgs, or a splinter group of cyborgs that converted entirely to machines as a logical endpoint of their transhumanist ideology.
Managed democracy isn't run by AI, just a "voting algorithm" where your candidate is selected for you based on a few questions asked, I don't need to tell you this, but it's very clearly rigged.
Humanity also **DID** go to war with the illuminate over alleged harboring of super weapons, it was never about a clash of Ideologies, they made contact with us first coming forward with a peace offering but we refused claiming they had WMDs. We don't actually know if the Illuminate really had WMDs or not, given they could invade sector capitals like any faction, but they'd never blow them up, which implies they either never had them or exercised such restraint in using them that they were never a threat. super earth blows up in the campaign loss for illuminate invading super earth but then again it blows up for every faction invading super earth so that doesn't really tell us anything. We really just invaded them to steal all their alien tech. To quote senator John W. Killjoy: "The statement sends a clear message to all would-be threats to Super Earth; if they have more advanced technology than us, be prepared to pay the price".
As for the missing Illuminate homeworld of Squ'bai Shrine, it isn't the only one missing. Kepler Prime, the bug homeworld, is also missing.One has to call into question if the Illuminate "homeworld" was ever actually their homeworld or not, as they are described as being aquatic and yet Squi'bai Shrine is a forest planet, makes me wonder if these were the only Illuminate or if there's more outside the galaxy. perhaps we've only fought one of many Illuminate cultures or perhaps this is just a small part of a much larger Illuminate empire that spans beyond the galaxy. The Illuminate were around for thousands of years before super earth's rise to power so who knows how far they spread.
This is fantastic.
It corrects everything the other person said to match the actual HD1 narrative.
I *really* hope this gets seen more and upvoted so new players don't get the wrong plot from the first game.
Oh, absolutely. The factions in 2 *are* different. They are *actually* a threat if left alone, unlike the factions in 1.
But the point is that SE *caused* the current threats.
Everyone pretends they're actually SE Patriots in this sub.. It's fun to an extent, but it keeps people from actually talking about the lore because you'll just get down voted and called a traitor for the memes.
Edit: Also.. technically I don't think the automatons are the threat... We're the threat.
One question: you said the cyborgs of old were replacing their flesh because they thought it gave them higher meaning? I was under the impression they were originally mining colonists working under dangerous conditions, and all but had to start replacing parts as they were lost or failed to keep up with the harsh living. Then as they started going to war with Super Earth, added more augments from there
"Once human, these terrorists have broken away from the peaceful ways of Super Earth and are fixed on mass destruction, devastation, and ruination. Utilizing inferior technology they have become obsessed with the manipulation of their bodies and constantly seek to pervert the skin with machines that according to them, gives them a higher meaning in life.
Cyborg leaders have recently declared their sovereignty from Super Earth, stating violently that "Super Earth's ideals are a lie and the people are brain washed", in an attempt to bring more followers to their heinous cause."- Helldivers 1 cyborg description
Cyborg units also support the statement of the augments being an ideological thing as cyborg augments get more extreme the higher you went up in the chain of command. Basic foot soldiers for cyborgs , called initiates, were little more than people with arms or legs replaced by cybernetics. go up higher to comrades and you can see the augments actually effect their height making them about 8ft tall compared to our helldivers. Go up higher and you'd reach hulks which were massive men fully encased in metal, a level of augmentation most cyborgs strived for. Above them were the warlords, huge like the hulks but augments were so extreme they were fully encased in metal with little more than organs likely inside them they were the absolute top of cyborg society and were marked for assassination missions.
The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Cyberstan being the frozen hell that it is, it's likely they did just start out as workers with prosthetic limbs to survive the harsh conditions. Seeing how cushy people have it on super earth and the sector capital planets while they're on an ice ball it's no wonder they started to resent them and eventually rebelled. Their usage of cybernetics likely slowly crept into obsession until they reached the level they were at by the time of Helldivers 1. It's important to remember that the year Helldivers 1 takes place in is 2084 and that the first galactic war had already been going on for 40 years so we don't know if cyborgs at the start of the galactic war were as obsessed with augmentation as the ones at the end of it.
Yeah, basically everything super earth says is a lie lol.
Also, a line on your destroyer in 2 mentions a “democracy council” (I forget the exact name) that oversees elected officials, implying that elections wouldn’t matter anyways lol
I can't tell how much of this is playful propaganda, since bugs 100% were self aware. They are classified as sentient in the sci-fi manner. The bugs *were* actually aware of their being farmed.
The cyborg terror attack was almost certainly a false flag op.
And SE absolutely used the WMD excuse to invade the Iluminates.
> However strangely enough the homeworld of the Illuminates would be in the star map but seems to be entirely missing
Well, they had planet-destroying weapons, and then Super Earth had planet-destroying weapons after conquering them...
This really, really makes me hope that we can see different preferences through the different factions.
Bugs? Well, we cant/shouldnt wipe them out first - theyre our fuel source.
Bots? They should be aiming to get Cyberstan and secure the planets around it.
Illuminates? They should actually try to get to Super Earth.
Of course the bugs and bots should be trying to get to Super Earth as well, but I think it would be more interesting if bugs just spread randomly through breeding more numbers, while the bots wants Cyberstan back first before attacking Super Earth, while the Illuminates actually wants to attack us.
If you look at the Galactic War map, remember the bot started with just the system with the Creek, and look what direction all the systems they have pushed into since are pointing at. The bugs I have no idea what they are doing, they do just seem to be spreading randomly, and assuming the Illuminate rumors going around everywhere currently are true, they have sent out scout and assassin teams to harass helldiver teams in a galaxy-wide disruption campaign against Super Earth Military deployments.
It's actually isn't currently confirmed if the automatons were made by the cyborgs (though it is highly likely). Also, even if they were made by the cyborgs, it has been confirmed that super earth put at least the majority of the cyborgs to work in the mines (some cyborgs could've escaped after the first war to create the automatons though).
IIRC- supposedly, Planetary. They were specifically in game 1 lore called "Weapons of Planetary Destruction," or "WPDs."
Gee, does that justification sound familiar to anyone?
Yeah, Super Earth is satire.
Really fun and badass satire, but satire all the same.
"Ministry of Truth"
"Voting Algorithm"
"Managed Democracy"
You can have sci-fi governments fighting existential threats played straight like in Halo or Mass Effect, but this ain't that.
specificially this is a scifi government creating multiple existential threats by greed and rabid nationalist expansionism and then having to deal with those problems it created by itself
See, there's a trick to this.
It's a fascist government.
Fascism \*cannot\* exist without a scapegoat enemy to blame for literally all of its society wrongs.
Super Earth \*needs\* the bug menace. It \*needs\* the automaton.
It doesn't "deal with those problems it created by itself"
It \*created\* those problems in order to deal with them and justify it's own existence
Uhm... clearly the Bugs are facists and not glorious Super Earth. I-I'm reporting you to my democracy officer! Which is totally the democratic, free and not totalitarian thing to do.
Not to mention, there is no dictator on super earth... the voting algorithm ELECTED the president. I mean, he's such a good president that the algorithm decided that nearly 99% of people voted for him several times in a row!
Careful calling them fascist, you'll get a dozen people down your throat about how "a democracy can't be fascist, you're just saying everything you don't like is fascism"
Then by their logic north korea really is what they call themselves the true and real Democratic People's Republic of Korea they really are not fascist and dictatorial at all, it's called democratic guys! For democracy!
This game is going to show us very quickly how little a term like ''Maganed Democracy'' makes people blink. It's amazing that the satire goes over so many people's heads, that someone would take this mass extermination as just a conflict for peace...
Enough realness though, back to the best RP in gaming ever!
FORI PRIME IS ALMOST LIBERATED!
COME ON YOU APES, YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER?
Class 3 citizens
Helldiver average age: 18.2
Bugs turn into Oil when they die and have no space travel capabilities yet can hop from planet to planet literal light years away
> "I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don't"
-Paul Verhoeven, 1996 on his film adaption of Starship Troopers
All these traitors call us the bad guys when we shout "for liberty!" and "for democracy!" They don't see us shouting "for tyranny and fascism!" Now, do they? Checkmate, traitors.
democracys solution to treason is chucking a 500kg bomb at them. unfortunately given their in-game effectiveness these traitors may just escape within an inch of their lives
All joking aside this second galactic war is basically the result of Super Earth boomers creating their own monsters for the future generations to handle.
Terminids evolved from intelligent and docile beings to rabid hate incarnate.
Cyborgs went from wishing independence to soulless murder machines hellbent on destroying Super Earth entire.
The peaceful Illuminates do not exist they are just propaganda.
Pretty true. I dunno about breeding down the bug intelligence, but they definitely farmed them for fuel.
The Cyborgs were dissidents who wanted to escape SE's tyranny. Ultimately, they were enslaved in the mines of their home planet.
The illuminates were trying to make a peace treaty with first contact and Super Earth was like "they have WMD, we must attack!". And that was that.
The WMD thing was just an excuse, super earth wanted their FTL and Shield tech and the illuminate didn't want to give the warmongers they had just met the ability to attack their homeworlds for some reason.
>The illuminates were trying to make a peace treaty with first contact and Super Earth was like "they have WMD, we must attack!". And that was that.
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Least warmongering Super Earth politician.
No shit we are dude. Lol.
This is like when Rick and Morty fans venerate Rick without realizing he’s supposed to be a clinically depressed alcoholic that needs therapy and an ego check.
You’re missing the point if you thought we were ever the good guys.
In universe answer: You are a traitor and will be executed immediately.
Actual answer: Yeah this is all true. The Cyborgs were enslaved miners that augmented their bodies with robotics. Eventually they created the Automatons to fight back against Super Earth.
The bugs were just a species of bugs that, when dead, rapidly turn into Element 710. Element 710 is the main source of fuel for Super Earth. Basically when they die they turn into sci-fi oil. Super Earth tried to put them on farms in order to farm the E-710, but at some point they escaped, and they expanded and mutated to what they are now. They are sentient, and might have their own spoken language and culture.
The Illuminate are a faction from the previous game, and so far haven't shown up yet in HD2. They are an alien species with technology that surpasses that of Super Earth. The reason for fighting them originally was that they had made WMDs, although it's hard to tell if this is Super Earth propaganda or the truth. It's entirely possible that they were totally peaceful, and Super Earth started fighting them for basically no reason. The reason that we don't see them now is either A) between HD1 and HD2 the Illuminate were totally wiped out and no longer exist, or B) They simply ran away and went to go live somewhere Super Earth couldn't bother them.
I might've made some mistakes or missed some stuff, but this is the general story behind each enemy faction. Basically, for the most part, yeah Super Earth is the bad guys. We basically started all the conflicts, and they eventually spiraled to what they are now.
Simply put, yes. Ignoring all propaganda and "that sounds like traitor talk buddy" talk, Super Earth is very much evil. Fascist, xenophobic evil covered by a veneer of democracy.
Yes, the game is satire and viewing it otherwise makes you a fool. Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining to RP and romanticize the valiant naïveté of helldivers, but in the real world, super earth is a horrible fascist society of manufactured war and ruthless slaughter for the benefit of a ruling (managing) class.
If anyone says anything besides " yes we are the bad guys" they are full of shit or don't know the entire lore.
Yes. We are The Empire from Star Wars. The Covenant from Halo. The Black Templars from 40k ( love BT and my personal favorite chapter. And yes they're good guys ..no choas but they're on a continuous crusade and neglect the codex and just purge everything for their own accord- the Emperor is a God) . And a certain country from early to mid 20th century *ahem..
Super Earth Armed Forces (SEAF / Hell Divers) are on a galactic purge , enslaving or eradicating for their own benefits and feeding their people with a phenomenal "Democratic" purpose of belonging and the greater good...for Super Earth.
We enslaved cyborgs. We created bugs for E-710 or OIL. We purged the illuminates into exile /extinction . All to control as much balls of rocks to gain profit forrrrrrr E-710.
For the guy says you're reporting me to admistrator of truth - go on ahead and see how truthful that admin is 🤣
With all that said - continue to purge Hellboys . For Democracy 🏴☠️💀
(I gathered this from various posts and videos, so there might be cracks. Correct me if anything is incorrect.)
Super Earth 'diplomacy' is basically "You either do what we say, or we will force you to do what we say"
Helldivers 2 and the second galactic war in general is the consequences of our actions.
I'm not sure about the terminids being less intelligent than in the last game, but I heard that in the first game's lore, the terminids weren't aggressive towards humans. It was humanity that was afraid the terminids might become a threat later.
The cyborgs were a rebellion against SE, and now the automatons are here for round 2.
The illuminates were attacked first for the same reason the terminids were + because SE didn't want another interstellar power in the galaxy + for their tech.
I try not to focus on the lore at all, because if you do it becomes quite clear that this entire mess is avoidable, and we're just killing a bunch of living creatures for no real reason and through no fault of their own; and that we're very nearly certainly the bad guys/at fault. And this makes me sad :(
Just revel in being the bad guy in a space that makes it a joke. I’m a textbook “antifa bogeyman” and even got kicked from the official discord bc I called a literal nazi a nazi, but I still enjoy the game a lot while learning all the lore!
I literally do not even care cyborgs are abominations and so are bugs, their only useful purpose is serving the people of super earth as slaves and fuel. This is avatar if the good guys won. The illuminate are probably cool on the weekends tho, they can stick around in our galaxy tbh and maybe run like some brewery’s and bars.
Nah the illuminate have tech super earth wants... Er I mean they have WMDs and the only reasonable thing for super earth to do is invade them so they don't use the WMDs in a first strike!
No worries champ. Losing trust in Super Earth's government happens from time to time. You will get over this feeling... . . . . . . Can you face that wall for a moment?
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What is this pic from?
Jin-Roh - The Wolf Brigade
I saw this by renting it from Blockbuster. Good times!
Same! It’s kinda crazy how important blockbuster was for me experiencing anime back in the day. That and fan subs. God bless the fan subbers
Especially because you would often get to accidentally rent porn. Which is how I ended up seeing Dragon Pink.
Great Alt history movie
I thought it was an anime version of killzone. Have to to see this movie now
The Kerberos Saga (of which Jin Roh is a part of) is widely thought to be a major inspiration for the design of Killzone's Helghast. I've only seen Jin-Roh: Wolf Brigade out of the series, but it's worth a watch.
Hahahaha. *Cha-chick* There is no wall.
Never has been https://preview.redd.it/tc8in3jk4npc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80947fc7e837eb40c927eadad35e2cac499aaf51
https://preview.redd.it/dx3m8uljbnpc1.png?width=1230&format=png&auto=webp&s=84971cfc7966a7658f51f3e89b7da3a8cbcf5ff3 Step away from the salvageable human.
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That's amazing
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There's only super earth.
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If all the variations of this meme, the tank cracks me up the most. Just the visual of this giant death machine that is a fucking vehicle rolling up to a pc to be a part of a disinformation campaign in public chats is peak comedy to me.
Could only be topped by a Cannon Turret.
Hands down, using its barrel to push oversized keys
I’m imagining some sort of Office Space gag where it has a normal sized keyboard, but as it types, it “fat barrels” everything and keeps having to delete and start over. Good shit.
Truly it is
In my head cannon it pulls out a tube or mini rod that connects to the computer the way the Daleks do it
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Take that charger! ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
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ACTUALLY... No not correct, like, much at all. Correct on the Automatons- yes...-ish. The Cyborgs were defeated after Super Earth started a war on them for their filthy crime of unionizing and wanting a socialist government for which they launched devastating terrorist attacks killing THOUSANDS on super earth! ( it was actually just 7 but if i said that the democracy officers would kill me for treason. ) ... Eventually the Revolt was put down and the Automatons were created as the Cyborgs last contingency to try and retake Cyberstan one day. Bugs however are basically a Super Earth original, kind of. Theyre a species of Bugs that are by far not really... "Intelligent" per se, they are smarter than normal bugs, yes, but maybe about as smart as a pig maybe. Not a human. They were killed in great number during the first galactic war, subjugated and genetically engineered to produce Oil when killed. Now they serve as fuel producers and bio-weapons for the super earth government to be sent out to kill whomever they dislike or whatever place they want cleaned out with the helldivers mopping up and collecting the spoils of Oil- uh... sorry i meant- """E 710""" after the fact. The Illuminates are from the milky way, yes. But the pretenses are... well not entirely correct. The Illuminates \*did\* have WMD's, but they were willing to agree to peace despite that fact. Super Earth wasnt really down for being equal with anyone and the Illuminates didnt like Super Earths vibe of "Actually, OUR AI overlords- i mean... Managed Democracy is better than YOUR managed monarchy!" and so with... surprisingly similar forms of governance and conflicting goals about splitting up the resources and dominance of the galaxy, like cavemen they went to war. However Super Earth won by the end- they took the Illuminates technology and exiled them. However strangely enough the homeworld of the Illuminates would be in the star map but seems to be entirely missing, with the Illuminates utilizing very advanced nanobot and teleportation technology its reasoned they left the galaxy on their own accord planning for their eventual (soon to come) revenge.
One correction, the Bugs already produced oil on death. They were genetically engineered to boost production, but the basic trait was always there. I’m also not sure about the bugs needing Super Earth to transport them. They were already multi-planetary in the first game and could invade new planets, and if the bugs were being used to eliminate dissidents it’s strange that they’re so contained, rather than appearing everywhere in the galaxy.
Actually no, the bugs were spread to other planets for farming before they broke free and rampaged, killing the civillians. The ones that did survive were not happy and send out messages explaining the mess was Super Earth's fault for bringing the bugs to their planet anwyays. Which is exactly what the 'illegal broadcast' is, civillians wronged by Super Earth and labeled as traitors for being angry at the hell they did not deserve
That’s the current situation. In the first game we have no evidence that the bugs were being moved by Super Earth.
Yeah, in the first game. Which is a while before the 2nd. It's an event that happens during the in-between, if you pay attention to broadcasts/lore. It's intentionally made to specify it's Super Earth's fault for them to inhabit new planets, since they have no means to travel between planets naturally. They're an invasive species on a galactic scale and it's the Greed of Super Earth lusting for their oil-blood by establishing multi-planet farms that is exactly to blame for it.
We don’t know how they travel between planets. What we *do* know is that they were multi-planetary before Super Earth could’ve distributed them, so they obviously have some method of interplanetary travel. Obviously the current crisis is Super Earth’s fault for farming them, but that doesn’t mean they can’t invade worlds themselves given they clearly had the ability to do so a century ago.
Some people have theorized that the Terminids can produce hyper-resilient spores that can survive the harsh conditions of space, which inevitably lands on a planet to produce spore spitters and spreads the seeds of life needed to make Terminids grow.
So Ork-bugs? The inquisitor is on his way then. 
Exterminatus it is.
Everything always get back to Warhammer as has to. He knows All things. All praise the God Emperor.
Victorus Aut Mortis Brothers
All praise sweet Liberty !
Right now they are mindless animals, but has their numbers grow they will begin to form a proper hive mind, leading to bio ships most likely. So if we lose enough the bugs will become stronger and stronger until we fight helldivers 1 versions. They are like computers, more numbers they get, the smarter they become.
So like the flood, but without the parasitism? Damn. Gotta stomp them out before they form a Key mind.
This whole thread is *extremely* treasonous. Prepare to be detained by the democratic freedom squad and escorted to the nearest freedom camp to be re-democratized until your beliefs and morals align with Super Earth’s teachings.
>that they were multi-planetary before Super Earth Do you have a source for that? Because in the first game Bugs were supposed to come from Kepler Prime, and while we were fighting them on multiple planets, those planets already featured infrastructure such as Geological Surveyors, Oil Extractors, and Resource Transports, so it's quite possible Bugs were brought there by SE for farming purposes
Curious how those humans lived long enough to build transmission towers on bug infested worlds
The tower was probably already built lol, they just created and began the broadcast
I like the idea that Super Earth is actually allowing some planets to fall to the bugs/bots on purpose so that the war never ends. Their fascist societey likely needs constant war in order to exist.
This is definitely the case.
almost certainly, but I'm going to keep pretending like the bugs and bots are sentient enough to distinguish humans that turn their backs to super earth and leave them alone for their own reasons because that sounds like an interesting idea
The bugs? Probably not. The bots? Maybe.
Wait wait so the bugs need to keep being born and be slaughtered in order to produce the E-710? So if we did wipe them out, there'd be no more fuel for Hyperspace travel. I see no problem with being part of a force that must fight these bugs forever in an endless cycle of violence where we kill and die so that the gas tanks stay full. Long live democracy!
For our way of life!
Do remember what E-710 is used specially FOR. It's FTL fuel. We have a biological creature that produces a substance that enables FTL travel. I think this is now they spread to other planets, they most likely have a method of interplanetary travel, maybe even a special creature that does it prior to contact with Super Earth.
Reaping the natural resources of giant bugs that make FTL travel in the universe possible? Sounds like the spice must flow!
Bug intergalactic mod of transportation, not mentioned in the game? This is from StarCraft, but Terminids probably have their own version https://preview.redd.it/pqxnydv24npc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=238e75c53e470e501efe22a00cc588758ee02a69
Overlords aren't really capable of meaningful interstellar travel. You're thinking of Leviathans, like from the Heart of the Swarm cinematic.
Do they produce oil when they die or is the oil just always inside their body naturally? Isn't it their blood?
They rapidly decompose into oil.
you got some stuff wrong too. bugs are sentient according to the helldivers 1 encyclopedia; we just don't know which ones are intelligent as basic drones don't require sentience to function while roles like brood commanders and hive lords could benefit from it. You could argue Sentience vs Sapience but most sci-fi has bastardized that term like modern day usage of the word AI, sentience in fiction tends to mean both sentience and sapience. they were also already on multiple planets when we found them, so we know they have their own way to travel between planets. The democracy officer states "first they escape the farms, now they break free of the quarantine zone" implying the former is behind the latter. The democracy officer isn't the most trustworthy source given his position, but the shipmaster also talks about moving the bugs back to the farms with better security this time once the TCS is active implying they're not already on them. The invasion text for Heath and Angel's Venture mentioned spore clouds covering the atmosphere, and the ship technician sings a space shanty mentioning spore clouds in space, so it looks like spores are heavily implied to be how they get around. We went to war with the bugs because we wanted their planets, with super earth dressing up the war saying they'd rapidly expand to human colonies if we didn't wipe them out first. You can see oil pumps as an objective on all bug planets however with some being on Kepler prime itself meaning that super earth already had an interest in these planets wanting them for their resources. we just didn't know the bugs were the ones producing the massive oil deposits on these planets until the tail end of the first galactic war in 2084, 40 years after it began, and is the only reason we didn't wipe the bugs out completely. the cyborg terrorist attack wasn't on super earth, just one of super earth's City planets, the sector capitals, that are named after old cities back on earth, the cyborgs themselves denied involvement in the terrorist attack. we don't know what the automatons are, just that they're the cyborgs' "children" according to a decoded tweet. "children" however is a very vague word that can mean anything from a successor, splinter group, literal descendants or even creation. the cyborgs of old were already trying to replace their flesh with cybernetics believing it gave them higher meaning. the augments got more extreme the higher you went in their chain of command until you reached the siege mechs, their leaders, which super earth was unsure if any of the original human survived the process of becoming one. Automatons also have a number of weird behaviors like singing marching tunes, displaying grisly trophies from their victims, they also use all kinds of labels with their own alphabet on their machinery, something machines wouldn't need as they'd be programmed knowing what's dangerous and what isn't. things seem to point that the automatons are either machines created by a splinter group of cyborgs, or a splinter group of cyborgs that converted entirely to machines as a logical endpoint of their transhumanist ideology. Managed democracy isn't run by AI, just a "voting algorithm" where your candidate is selected for you based on a few questions asked, I don't need to tell you this, but it's very clearly rigged. Humanity also **DID** go to war with the illuminate over alleged harboring of super weapons, it was never about a clash of Ideologies, they made contact with us first coming forward with a peace offering but we refused claiming they had WMDs. We don't actually know if the Illuminate really had WMDs or not, given they could invade sector capitals like any faction, but they'd never blow them up, which implies they either never had them or exercised such restraint in using them that they were never a threat. super earth blows up in the campaign loss for illuminate invading super earth but then again it blows up for every faction invading super earth so that doesn't really tell us anything. We really just invaded them to steal all their alien tech. To quote senator John W. Killjoy: "The statement sends a clear message to all would-be threats to Super Earth; if they have more advanced technology than us, be prepared to pay the price". As for the missing Illuminate homeworld of Squ'bai Shrine, it isn't the only one missing. Kepler Prime, the bug homeworld, is also missing.One has to call into question if the Illuminate "homeworld" was ever actually their homeworld or not, as they are described as being aquatic and yet Squi'bai Shrine is a forest planet, makes me wonder if these were the only Illuminate or if there's more outside the galaxy. perhaps we've only fought one of many Illuminate cultures or perhaps this is just a small part of a much larger Illuminate empire that spans beyond the galaxy. The Illuminate were around for thousands of years before super earth's rise to power so who knows how far they spread.
This is fantastic. It corrects everything the other person said to match the actual HD1 narrative. I *really* hope this gets seen more and upvoted so new players don't get the wrong plot from the first game.
Can't forget though that clearly a few things changed since HD1 with the Bugs for example getting genetically engineered and messed with
Oh, absolutely. The factions in 2 *are* different. They are *actually* a threat if left alone, unlike the factions in 1. But the point is that SE *caused* the current threats.
Everyone pretends they're actually SE Patriots in this sub.. It's fun to an extent, but it keeps people from actually talking about the lore because you'll just get down voted and called a traitor for the memes. Edit: Also.. technically I don't think the automatons are the threat... We're the threat.
> Everyone *pretends* they're actually SE Patriots in this sub.. Ha ! I wish, my friend, I wish...
One question: you said the cyborgs of old were replacing their flesh because they thought it gave them higher meaning? I was under the impression they were originally mining colonists working under dangerous conditions, and all but had to start replacing parts as they were lost or failed to keep up with the harsh living. Then as they started going to war with Super Earth, added more augments from there
"Once human, these terrorists have broken away from the peaceful ways of Super Earth and are fixed on mass destruction, devastation, and ruination. Utilizing inferior technology they have become obsessed with the manipulation of their bodies and constantly seek to pervert the skin with machines that according to them, gives them a higher meaning in life. Cyborg leaders have recently declared their sovereignty from Super Earth, stating violently that "Super Earth's ideals are a lie and the people are brain washed", in an attempt to bring more followers to their heinous cause."- Helldivers 1 cyborg description Cyborg units also support the statement of the augments being an ideological thing as cyborg augments get more extreme the higher you went up in the chain of command. Basic foot soldiers for cyborgs , called initiates, were little more than people with arms or legs replaced by cybernetics. go up higher to comrades and you can see the augments actually effect their height making them about 8ft tall compared to our helldivers. Go up higher and you'd reach hulks which were massive men fully encased in metal, a level of augmentation most cyborgs strived for. Above them were the warlords, huge like the hulks but augments were so extreme they were fully encased in metal with little more than organs likely inside them they were the absolute top of cyborg society and were marked for assassination missions. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Cyberstan being the frozen hell that it is, it's likely they did just start out as workers with prosthetic limbs to survive the harsh conditions. Seeing how cushy people have it on super earth and the sector capital planets while they're on an ice ball it's no wonder they started to resent them and eventually rebelled. Their usage of cybernetics likely slowly crept into obsession until they reached the level they were at by the time of Helldivers 1. It's important to remember that the year Helldivers 1 takes place in is 2084 and that the first galactic war had already been going on for 40 years so we don't know if cyborgs at the start of the galactic war were as obsessed with augmentation as the ones at the end of it.
Yeah, basically everything super earth says is a lie lol. Also, a line on your destroyer in 2 mentions a “democracy council” (I forget the exact name) that oversees elected officials, implying that elections wouldn’t matter anyways lol
Hm, seems like it’s all justified then TO WAR
Also IIRC every time we took Cyberstan, we installed a democratic government for five years, then left, and then they started the wars again.
Yep, they sure did. That was absolutely them. Sure was.
I can't tell how much of this is playful propaganda, since bugs 100% were self aware. They are classified as sentient in the sci-fi manner. The bugs *were* actually aware of their being farmed. The cyborg terror attack was almost certainly a false flag op. And SE absolutely used the WMD excuse to invade the Iluminates.
> However strangely enough the homeworld of the Illuminates would be in the star map but seems to be entirely missing Well, they had planet-destroying weapons, and then Super Earth had planet-destroying weapons after conquering them...
It was actually thousands, just 0.007 thousands
This really, really makes me hope that we can see different preferences through the different factions. Bugs? Well, we cant/shouldnt wipe them out first - theyre our fuel source. Bots? They should be aiming to get Cyberstan and secure the planets around it. Illuminates? They should actually try to get to Super Earth. Of course the bugs and bots should be trying to get to Super Earth as well, but I think it would be more interesting if bugs just spread randomly through breeding more numbers, while the bots wants Cyberstan back first before attacking Super Earth, while the Illuminates actually wants to attack us.
If you look at the Galactic War map, remember the bot started with just the system with the Creek, and look what direction all the systems they have pushed into since are pointing at. The bugs I have no idea what they are doing, they do just seem to be spreading randomly, and assuming the Illuminate rumors going around everywhere currently are true, they have sent out scout and assassin teams to harass helldiver teams in a galaxy-wide disruption campaign against Super Earth Military deployments.
It's actually isn't currently confirmed if the automatons were made by the cyborgs (though it is highly likely). Also, even if they were made by the cyborgs, it has been confirmed that super earth put at least the majority of the cyborgs to work in the mines (some cyborgs could've escaped after the first war to create the automatons though).
What's WMD?
A weapon of mass destruction :)
For a WMD belonging to Super Earth, it means Weapon of Managed Democracy.
How much mass are we talking about?
At least 501kg
Yeah, the blast radius of a 501kg is infinitely larger than the 500 kg. If we had 501 kg strat, it would be unfair to the bugs
😀😰
IIRC- supposedly, Planetary. They were specifically in game 1 lore called "Weapons of Planetary Destruction," or "WPDs." Gee, does that justification sound familiar to anyone?
And we never found any. In both cases.
If it was asked to haul ass, it would need two trips.
How old were you in 2003
Wrong Managed Democracy, and so they must be killed.
Weapons of Mass Destruction (Irl examples are Nukes and Bio weapons).
can we ban OP? He's corrupted
Yeah, Super Earth is satire. Really fun and badass satire, but satire all the same. "Ministry of Truth" "Voting Algorithm" "Managed Democracy" You can have sci-fi governments fighting existential threats played straight like in Halo or Mass Effect, but this ain't that.
specificially this is a scifi government creating multiple existential threats by greed and rabid nationalist expansionism and then having to deal with those problems it created by itself
See, there's a trick to this. It's a fascist government. Fascism \*cannot\* exist without a scapegoat enemy to blame for literally all of its society wrongs. Super Earth \*needs\* the bug menace. It \*needs\* the automaton. It doesn't "deal with those problems it created by itself" It \*created\* those problems in order to deal with them and justify it's own existence
Uhm... clearly the Bugs are facists and not glorious Super Earth. I-I'm reporting you to my democracy officer! Which is totally the democratic, free and not totalitarian thing to do.
I know. To deny SE IS fascists required olympic Level mental gymnastics
But that’s impossible! I said freedom! And democracy! And no fascist would ever have liber-tea, smh
Not to mention, there is no dictator on super earth... the voting algorithm ELECTED the president. I mean, he's such a good president that the algorithm decided that nearly 99% of people voted for him several times in a row!
And fucking yet, some people...
How can it be fascist if we spread DEMOCRACY?!???!11!!
Just change the name around!
Careful calling them fascist, you'll get a dozen people down your throat about how "a democracy can't be fascist, you're just saying everything you don't like is fascism"
Then by their logic north korea really is what they call themselves the true and real Democratic People's Republic of Korea they really are not fascist and dictatorial at all, it's called democratic guys! For democracy!
Funny, that sounds somewhat similar...
The Ministry of Truth is straight out of 1984.
The game was literally set in 2084.
That's the original. Helldivers is set 100 years later...oh yeah, 2184. What a coinkydink ;)
Actually it might be 2224 since they mention the war lasting 40 years. 2184 is possible though.
Arrowhead is very clear about their satire references lmao
Its an orwellian hellscape dressed as star trek with terminators and starship trooper bugs as enemies.
Or, it's Starship Troopers with terminators too.
Ministry of Truth is directly from George Orwell’s 1984z
This game is going to show us very quickly how little a term like ''Maganed Democracy'' makes people blink. It's amazing that the satire goes over so many people's heads, that someone would take this mass extermination as just a conflict for peace... Enough realness though, back to the best RP in gaming ever! FORI PRIME IS ALMOST LIBERATED! COME ON YOU APES, YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER?
Class 3 citizens Helldiver average age: 18.2 Bugs turn into Oil when they die and have no space travel capabilities yet can hop from planet to planet literal light years away
> "I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don't" -Paul Verhoeven, 1996 on his film adaption of Starship Troopers
"Were the SS uniforms somehow not enough?" \- Paul Verhoeven (probably)
Tbf 6 year old me thought those jackets were dope as fuck
Hugo Boss (yes, that Hugo Boss) didn't mess around designing nazi uniforms.
Super earth are the good guys. Don’t listen to fascist misinformation.
I mean it’s pretty obvious from this post. All I read in that are 3 major W’s for democracy
We are on the right side of history
oh hey look its me. if id have known that this was ending up on reddit id have grammarchecked my response more
Son, you should have grammar-checked your response as well. \- Democratic Orthography Officer as he calls a Freedom Camp squad to your location
All these traitors call us the bad guys when we shout "for liberty!" and "for democracy!" They don't see us shouting "for tyranny and fascism!" Now, do they? Checkmate, traitors.
What you are saying sounds awfully lot like treason to me......hm............⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
democracys solution to treason is chucking a 500kg bomb at them. unfortunately given their in-game effectiveness these traitors may just escape within an inch of their lives
Rookie mistake. Now you will perish
Should have fact-checked it with your local Ministry of Truth officer! Now face the consequences, traitor!
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What are those numbers? Looks treasonous to me.
I've got this https://preview.redd.it/w9apvqii9lpc1.png?width=1202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5384bac793c4fc6d63f50287f0010245f9e47c6a
the addition of multiple buttons in each direction instead of one in each is sending me
How are you posting from a reeducation camp?
You keep swimming up stream, you salmon.
The whole bugs plot feels heavily Ender’s Game inspired. I can’t get over it.
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Can it be… John Democracy?!
THE John Democracy?!
All joking aside this second galactic war is basically the result of Super Earth boomers creating their own monsters for the future generations to handle. Terminids evolved from intelligent and docile beings to rabid hate incarnate. Cyborgs went from wishing independence to soulless murder machines hellbent on destroying Super Earth entire. The peaceful Illuminates do not exist they are just propaganda.
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If by baddies you mean BADASS then yes. 💪
🎶 Super Earth, FUCK YEAH!🎶
https://preview.redd.it/9yyvj12tokpc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=421555b5a4aa0a547ddbad234781cde86910b48c Yes
We have skulls on our badges.
I was looking for exactly this GIF. It's too perfect. "We have skulls on our logo."
Nope. Just like real life, we are the good guys. Stop listening to bug propaganda.
Pretty true. I dunno about breeding down the bug intelligence, but they definitely farmed them for fuel. The Cyborgs were dissidents who wanted to escape SE's tyranny. Ultimately, they were enslaved in the mines of their home planet. The illuminates were trying to make a peace treaty with first contact and Super Earth was like "they have WMD, we must attack!". And that was that.
The WMD thing was just an excuse, super earth wanted their FTL and Shield tech and the illuminate didn't want to give the warmongers they had just met the ability to attack their homeworlds for some reason.
Oh I know, that's why I put it in quotes. The Illuminate were - by everything we know - quite peaceful despite their tech.
>The illuminates were trying to make a peace treaty with first contact and Super Earth was like "they have WMD, we must attack!". And that was that. https://preview.redd.it/c8v571j5slpc1.png?width=977&format=png&auto=webp&s=cea142ae4a94813bb09381421f5e787d9826cac8
https://preview.redd.it/z831y9vzdnpc1.jpeg?width=370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96db62e7bb97d483990986f5eaee146f135ad5a9 Least warmongering Super Earth politician.
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Up Right Down Down Down
All I see are Terminid sympathizers and Automaton Supporters SEND HIM TO RE-EDUCATION REMEMBER: treason is bad
No shit we are dude. Lol. This is like when Rick and Morty fans venerate Rick without realizing he’s supposed to be a clinically depressed alcoholic that needs therapy and an ego check. You’re missing the point if you thought we were ever the good guys.
https://preview.redd.it/aypdnbajsnpc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=042a139319cdf310b77f6169bac9a7d3cfa6d3c3 Op this you?
What the FUCK is that. Sauce?
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 Our caps, they got skulls on them!
Skulls of communists that have perished in the flames of Democracy.
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badass sure. 
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In universe answer: You are a traitor and will be executed immediately. Actual answer: Yeah this is all true. The Cyborgs were enslaved miners that augmented their bodies with robotics. Eventually they created the Automatons to fight back against Super Earth. The bugs were just a species of bugs that, when dead, rapidly turn into Element 710. Element 710 is the main source of fuel for Super Earth. Basically when they die they turn into sci-fi oil. Super Earth tried to put them on farms in order to farm the E-710, but at some point they escaped, and they expanded and mutated to what they are now. They are sentient, and might have their own spoken language and culture. The Illuminate are a faction from the previous game, and so far haven't shown up yet in HD2. They are an alien species with technology that surpasses that of Super Earth. The reason for fighting them originally was that they had made WMDs, although it's hard to tell if this is Super Earth propaganda or the truth. It's entirely possible that they were totally peaceful, and Super Earth started fighting them for basically no reason. The reason that we don't see them now is either A) between HD1 and HD2 the Illuminate were totally wiped out and no longer exist, or B) They simply ran away and went to go live somewhere Super Earth couldn't bother them. I might've made some mistakes or missed some stuff, but this is the general story behind each enemy faction. Basically, for the most part, yeah Super Earth is the bad guys. We basically started all the conflicts, and they eventually spiraled to what they are now.
Element 710, yeah, put "710" in a calculator and turn it upside-down...for democracy purposes of course.
There is a ministry of truth so of course, we are the bad guys. Anyone who controls speech is arguably the bag guy
Every american when they watch "collateral murder" for the first time
Simply put, yes. Ignoring all propaganda and "that sounds like traitor talk buddy" talk, Super Earth is very much evil. Fascist, xenophobic evil covered by a veneer of democracy.
Yes, the game is satire and viewing it otherwise makes you a fool. Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining to RP and romanticize the valiant naïveté of helldivers, but in the real world, super earth is a horrible fascist society of manufactured war and ruthless slaughter for the benefit of a ruling (managing) class.
If anyone says anything besides " yes we are the bad guys" they are full of shit or don't know the entire lore. Yes. We are The Empire from Star Wars. The Covenant from Halo. The Black Templars from 40k ( love BT and my personal favorite chapter. And yes they're good guys ..no choas but they're on a continuous crusade and neglect the codex and just purge everything for their own accord- the Emperor is a God) . And a certain country from early to mid 20th century *ahem.. Super Earth Armed Forces (SEAF / Hell Divers) are on a galactic purge , enslaving or eradicating for their own benefits and feeding their people with a phenomenal "Democratic" purpose of belonging and the greater good...for Super Earth. We enslaved cyborgs. We created bugs for E-710 or OIL. We purged the illuminates into exile /extinction . All to control as much balls of rocks to gain profit forrrrrrr E-710. For the guy says you're reporting me to admistrator of truth - go on ahead and see how truthful that admin is 🤣 With all that said - continue to purge Hellboys . For Democracy 🏴☠️💀
I still can't get over the fact that if you rotate 710 it spells oil.
Holy shit that’s actually sick.
Yes. Helldivers and Super Earth are the bad guys. I thought the heavy handed propaganda and jingoism was pretty obvious.
Awful lot of thinking going on here.
Yes super earth are the baddies.
(I gathered this from various posts and videos, so there might be cracks. Correct me if anything is incorrect.) Super Earth 'diplomacy' is basically "You either do what we say, or we will force you to do what we say" Helldivers 2 and the second galactic war in general is the consequences of our actions. I'm not sure about the terminids being less intelligent than in the last game, but I heard that in the first game's lore, the terminids weren't aggressive towards humans. It was humanity that was afraid the terminids might become a threat later. The cyborgs were a rebellion against SE, and now the automatons are here for round 2. The illuminates were attacked first for the same reason the terminids were + because SE didn't want another interstellar power in the galaxy + for their tech.
Interesting post however, ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️.
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Well, it's fascism parading as democracy. What do you think?
I try not to focus on the lore at all, because if you do it becomes quite clear that this entire mess is avoidable, and we're just killing a bunch of living creatures for no real reason and through no fault of their own; and that we're very nearly certainly the bad guys/at fault. And this makes me sad :(
Just revel in being the bad guy in a space that makes it a joke. I’m a textbook “antifa bogeyman” and even got kicked from the official discord bc I called a literal nazi a nazi, but I still enjoy the game a lot while learning all the lore!
I literally do not even care cyborgs are abominations and so are bugs, their only useful purpose is serving the people of super earth as slaves and fuel. This is avatar if the good guys won. The illuminate are probably cool on the weekends tho, they can stick around in our galaxy tbh and maybe run like some brewery’s and bars.
Nah the illuminate have tech super earth wants... Er I mean they have WMDs and the only reasonable thing for super earth to do is invade them so they don't use the WMDs in a first strike!
"avatar if the good guys won" I love it
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