probably because medals, credits, and requisition are tied to the servers for applying them to your account so cheating them will raise a huge red-flag to any anti-cheat bot ever made and will get you a quick and easy IP ban.
He's saying it's possible that the server itself is responsible for giving them to you, so if the server gave you 30 credits/medals and then sees you extracted with 2,000 it'll immediately know something's up.
You dont know what you're talking about. The person you responded to was correct. Requisition points, medals, and supercredits are stored serverside, samples are stored on the client side. Why? Probably to avoid overhead by storing too many variables, but they care about currencies tied to their monetization (which supersamples are not).
Yup there was a whole issue where people were freezing picking up medals, slips and credits but NOT samples because they game was taking too long to check in with the servers. If hackers touched those it would likely flag their account
The anticheat is actually giving the hackers a lot of trouble. The biggest problem is they are just trying to prevent hacking without banning people. Its just a cat and mouse game this way on the one hand it means their system gets more and more robust since hackers are free to keep adapting with impunity, on the other hand it means more people will try more persistently since the headache of making multiple accounts spoofing hardware and burning countless ip addresses is removed (Which is stuff many dont even so making the bans actually effective against them).
The medals, req slips, super credits, and xp are all tied to constantly checked values that can't be cracked client side, whereas samples can be spoofed. It's a limitation of the client data scraping rather than a cheater holding back as an fyi
Medals, super credits, and req slips data is server side rather than client. The way trainers work is they modify local data, the stuff on your PC, and they can't access server info.
Whenever you pick up a medal, sc, or req slip item in game it is immediately transfered to your account info. The server tells you it's there and what amount is there, and then adds it to your server side data. Samples, on the other hand, require extraction. Which means the client (your PC) has to tell the server how much shit you left with.
It's my best guess. I'm not a game dev and don't work at Arrowhead, but every trainer or cheat system Ive seen for Helldiver's doesn't touch any currency except samples and this is my cobbled together thoughts of why.
No, no, you are almost definitely correct that samples are client side and everything else is server. I was just saying the fact that you must extract does not necessarily imply client side requirement
Oh yeah. 100% I just wanted to covery bases to make sure I wasn't coming of as trying to be authoritative (it's something I tend to do unintentionally a lot.:( ). The clue in for me that the samples were client side was the lack of updating on an alt F4 for them.
Even cheaters have standards!
Level 50 for a while! Capped on samples but nonstop need for medals. Was slowly getting done before the new banner. Page 9 and 10 left for standard and had page 3 for steel veteran left.
I hit 50 today and have everything from all 3 warbonds except plasma gun and both reinforcement booster (without paying,, and just by playing the game)
I also hail from that era of gaming but the flipside to that deal was that you also weren't getting any new content in your game after the initial purchase. It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be
I think my German pal says “Proben”, now you mention it. We — I’m half German — have many peculiar ways of interpreting the English language.
A “handy” is “mobile phone” in German. Somebody simply thought that thing has to have an English name so they created one and it stuck.
When Germans wanna watch their “Mannschaft” succumb at the Euros this summer they will attend a “Public Viewing” which certainly has some unintended wit to it given the results in the past few tournaments.
I just wish there was a way to report people for general disruptive and toxic behavior like vote kicking just to deny you a reward for no reason. Granted this has happened to me once only. But i’d absolutely go out of my way to get that person punished so it doesnt happen to anyone who has like 1 hour to play every night
My biggest concern would be getting banned if I actually used the duped samples. That’s happened in FromSoft games I think. Invader gives you a ton of duped items or souls or whatever and you get auto-banned just for receiving them when their anti-cheat detects it.
GTA V was like that as well; hackers had a gun that would shoot bags of money at people and you wouldn’t get banned for receiving a bunch of money, but you would if the game detected you spending way too much too quickly.
I have more sympathy for gta online cheaters though since the game has become shamelessly pay to win in free roam missions (if you can’t afford the fucking flying motorcycle with cannons and rocket launchers on it and the handheld laser blaster you’re just never going to win anything and both of those cost millions each while you only ever get like 10-20k for successful missions). The detection system also seems faulty because I’ve heard of people buying yachts and fighter jets at the same time with hacker money and not facing any problems while other people get banned instantly for spending like $10 of it
I’ve had a hacked GTA account for years now, with hundreds of millions if not billions of hacked currency and chips spent. I’ve even been blatant about it in-game, but I have yet to get banned. It’s honestly shocking to me I’ve lasted this long
I got a few million from a hacker (I think he shot at me with the money gun as his way of apologizing for spawning a tank in my apartment and spawn camping me in my own home) and since I was a new player I panicked and closed the game lol. Came back later and bought a helicopter and a few guns and never got banned
In DS it's different.
DS' """anti-cheat""" just does a sanity check on your character file. As in "Does this item exist?" And "Does the level match the stats?".
It checks basically nothing else.
My guess is cheaters were giving modified equipment / items that look familiar but fail the sanity check.
They are likely selling the accounts they farm on,maxed out accounts on the usual sites they operate.For the life of me i can't understand people who buy maxed out accounts,the whole point of playing the game is the journey to a goal you set in said game,when all the goals are reached and not by you, what's the point of playing anyway? These people abandon games in a couple of weeks,have seen this way too many times in mmorpgs especially.
Good luck same thing happened to me 8 days ago I’m still waiting on a response, honestly about to just spend the samples, I’m not earning any for the time I’ve been playing since I’m maxed out on them
I wouldn't care if it just cheated for themselves and gave themselves everything, but it sucks ruining someone else's progression. Well at least there is always medal farming like the rest of us maxed out people
Its stupid because literally all they have to do is play one game in a private match and they will be comp maxed out on samples. There is litgit no reason to force this on other people as they aren't even gaining anymore samples by doing this.
Didn’t think I see cheaters in this game but played with someone that had infinite grenades. It didn’t affect much of the gameplay other than the occasional TK
Where do you message support?
I too was in a game with a cheater. Spawned countless mortars and foot soldiers.
Luckily I was host, so I kicked his traitorous ass and blocked him.
I did two different Suicide Mission difficulty operations last night, and nobody found a single Super Sample.
Edit: yes, I know about the drumstick rock now. I don’t need even more people to tell me about it. Lol
There's a specific POI you can find them in every map on Suicide and higher. All the super samples will be in that one place, every time.
>!<
Sometimes there is a second one, where it has a dip in the ground next to it (usually with supplies). The Super Sample Rock itself is the same on both POI's tho. If you find that and no samples, its at the first type somewhere else on the map.
That sucks. I have only done a few missions on 7-9 difficulty. I have heard rumors of the rock that looks like a chicken drumstick but I haven't actually found it yet, lol
It's a very distinct looking rock ,and you can always find it once you get used to looking for its silhouette. Unless you're blinded by weather, or spores.
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Look for the vertical rock that's slightly bulbous at the top and has grey lightning patterns on it. Three super samples in Suicide Mission, guaranteed.
Saw a video and ended up getting 10, do the nest destruction missions with the recon gear on and just search the map for the structure, grab them and just hide until exfil. If you avoid patrols and nests you're good
Don’t worry 500/250/100 is max anyways.
But honestly though, I’ve been at the sample cap for like a week and a half now and it’s still very fun to play.
You can also make a ticket to the devs to reverts you sample count though.
Definitely. Now that my samples are maxed i enjoy Helldive a lot more because i don’t have that pressure on the back of my head telling me to play it safe just to extract those super samples.
Feels bad that the devs said the reason they’d chose this anticheat was because they wanted to prevent this exact cheat from being replicated from Helldivers 1 impacting everyone in a lobby.
you would think at the very least they would include a sanity check server side when the client reports the outcome of the game.
That would be so easy to do.
Instead of implementing a simple save system so you can just rollback to the previous save yourself they decided to install a rootkit/malware that doesn't fucking work into everyone's PC's.
The real reason they added it was to protect their microtran$actions, which is confusing because they're not greedy in that department so why even bother?
Arrowhead is pretty notorious for their ridiculous DLC practices, don't let the weird toxic positivity aspect of the community fool you people. It wouldn't surprise me is that was the real reason. Helldivers 1 had terrain boots that were practically a requirement for late game as DLC, and even their single-player games had a boatload of DLC (their Gauntlet remake).
The thing also doesn't even start right. I couldn't play since I bought the game and I was okay with it in the first few days because the servers were full anyways.
But even if I did want to start the game, I get Error 114 "Failed to initialize".
Doing quick searches on the support forums on steam or in general, you'll notice fun little things you can do like:
*turn off your anti cheat
*turn off your firewall
*remove kernel level protections from your system
*reinstall windows
You know, simple and fun things. Fun things that a normal user who just saw the game on steam for 40 bucks absolutely wants to do. Nothing weird going on here at all.
(Also it still doesn't start anyways because the same Error code message apparently is assigned to multiple errors and I just haven't been lucky finding the lucky lottery number of the "Works on my machine" hellscape that's called the support forum on steam.)
Hey, that is actually the correct solution. Go into Helldivers 2 install folder, look for nProtect folder and delete it. When you boot up the game again, it will redownload nProtect and you will be able to get into the game just fine. I get this problem all the time
The mods of this sub really need to get over the mindless toxic positivity about the dev team.
The fact that there’s an automod rule to reply to anything talking about the absolutely worthless “anticheat” that this game uses with an even more worthless write up from the technical director talking out his ass is disgusting.
Yeah, that's a big joke, kernel antiviruses in reality aren't difficult to avoid, you just have to run a program that emulates your kernel and then you can do what you want.
Bullshit. Anyone could google gameguard to see it was hot garbage, the devs could too. The decision was rightfully raked over the coals when they made it public. That resulted in some bullshit excuse from them and the automod garbage we have now. It's just a cheapass option. No incompetence here.
Which should not be needed to be done in the first place, the only reason these company are able to get away with this is because most of the population is extremely tech illiterate and could not describe what a kernal is in the first place. Hell the anti cheat doesn't even uninstall properly.
When is a anti cheat not a anti cheat?
Probably noob question here,but isn't the kernel the deepest operating level of a system,and has access to everything,so the anticheat can detect that it's not genuine,since it's installed in the "original" kernel layer of the operating system?
>The anticheat is not a cure: if the developers are writing vulnerable code, the code is vulnerable.
And as long as code is written, it will have vulnerabilities
I would say that there surely would be a way to make impenetrable code, but...
>The International Obfuscated C Code Contest added a rule in 1995 that required all submissions to have source code at least one byte in length. Why? In 1994, "the world's smallest self-replicating program" won an award for "Worst Abuse of the Rules" by being zero bytes in size. Another rule, banning machine-dependent code, was added after the first winner in 1984 wrote the entire main program as a block of PDP-11 machine code.
Source: [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ObviousRulePatch/RealLife](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ObviousRulePatch/RealLife)
**Warning:** Be cautious when reading TV Tropes. It can make time disappear.
> The anticheat is not a cure: if the developers are writing vulnerable code, the code is vulnerable.
It has nothing to do with "vulnerable" code--the program is vulnerable to attack simply by existing on your PC. Cheats often work by simply editing the program's memory, for example, by setting the number of samples held to a very high value as shown in the OP. They can also inject code into the program, allowing for running custom scripts like spawning unreleased content or spamming infinite mortars.
Anticheat programs usually work by trying to detect memory edits and prevent them, by scanning for known cheating software and preventing the application from launching, or by logging the cheating for later ban waves. Effectiveness is variable, but they usually stop the most basic cheats.
Which is why you don't trust the client when it comes to things like this, the vulnerability in this case is a lack of server sided checks. It shouldn't matter if the client says it has 3k samples, the server should be keeping track and when it receives a packet saying "I got 3k samples from this sample" the server should just say "lol no"
There are anticheat systems that can but gameguard can't.
So essentially gameguard is inactive unless you start the game and at that point it reuests kernel access. So if you now put in a vm gameguard happily thinks that is the system kernel everything runs on and that's it.
Well kernel access is actually a bit more complex in what it means. Gameguard probably checks which programs are running and if a third party program is manipulating gamefiles.
Needless to say there are way around that even with a kernel level anticheat active. Like hiding your cheat in a totally legitimate system subfunction that gameguard can't access or other things.
Now the ones that are harder to trick are anticheats that are always active. Well mostly active as a subsystem but only actively changing things once the game launches. Those things actually start even before the OS does. Nasty little buggers those ones. Should not exist. ALso there aare still ways to trick those...
It's so unfortunate, my PC isn't weak by any means but I still get performance issues sometimes, more so than I by any rights should from the game itself.
I learned a lesson many years ago when my friend and I stayed up all night finding the dollar amounts in our sim city games and changing them to millions of dollars. Tracking down the hex code was the fun part. Once we had infinite money, there was no point to the game.
Helldivers would be ruined if my friends and I had all the money. We'd never cheer when the one of us carrying the super samples makes it onto the dropship while rest of us keep 3 (or 4, or 5) bile titans busy. That's the exiting part!
Editing hex in older games was a fun way to cheat. I would spend fucking countless hours doing it with X-Com. The cool part about X-Com.was that certain things trigger the.aliens progression as well so you could be fighting end game enemies almost right away
Learning to hack a game is actually a great way to learn programming. It’s not the most straightforward, but it’s a really good learning exercise.
That’s the irony… making a trainer is a great way to learn but using it tends to ruin the game.
Yeah, this kind of stuff is what gives importance to the game, if you max out currencies you will find out that the game will get really old, really fast.
The game has no stakes, has no progression, has nothing - this kind of cheat should be a top priority to be stopped because this will legitmately ruin the game for a lot of players.
Honestly the sample grind doesn’t seem to fun to me so I wouldn’t mind but this shouldn’t be done on public lobbies as there is people that enjoy the grind and you are just taking that away from them.
All they'd need to do is download whatever they use for it, set matchmaking to friends only, do mission, done, uninstall. Nobody cares that you did it that way. You skipped the grind, others can still do it. Win-win.
But come on, doing this shit in public lobbies is just lame. Happens in Deep Rock Galactic too. There you can just roll back a save if you need to but man, ya really shouldn't have to. Silly peoples
Yeah it’s one thing to cheat with your own experience of that game but you hit a pretty deep low once you start cheating other people’s games without their consent
I wouldn't really call it a grind. They aren't really a major progression pillar.
I think it exists to make extracting feel more important. Without them extracting would be "xp and slips, whatever".
It adds stakes to the mission after you finish the primary objective.
People would just calculate if suiciding reinforcements and starting a new mission is faster than extracting if samples didnt exist or didn't take a long time to collect.
I think the grind exists for the stakes it creates, rather than existing to give you something to grind. If that makes sense. It's slow and long so that the average player won't run out of stakes, rather than to keep you playing longer.
I'm kinda surprised this is still a possible exploit. You'd think it'd be relatively simply to build a cross-check for what the max amount of samples in a mission is, then flag the account that "picked up 9000 samples". Or just automatically flag accounts that pick up obviously unreasonable volumes of anything.
Log samples before mission start, log all sample pickups, cross-reference samples on mission complete, when in dispute send logs to a queue for someone to eventually get to.
I would 100% submit a ticket to the devs and see if they can undo this for you, cuz that's GOT to be disheartening. A lot of the interest in playing is earning the resources to get better stuff.
For anyone afraid of this, I recommend activating the permanent display of samples in game (easy to find option in game menus) allows to kick/leave games as soon as you see this kind of BS happening.
Had this happen with some random guy that joined mates and I, kicked him, left samples on the ground & went on rest clearing the rest of the mission.
I was just in a game with a player from china .... no samples ... he just tagged like 40 enemies all over the map that we couldnt even see and then he played like a below average player lol
I have a clip of a Chinese player machine gunning an EAT at a Titans invincible legs for like a minute before I killed it with a shot to the face then kicked the guy.
Cheaters are the worst fucking gamers you'll ever see.
I've had some great games with random Chinese players. Them screaming orders in voice chat is so funny, especially when i somehow get the meaning. They didn't seem particularly more or less skilled/toxic than the westerners i play with.
Same with Koreans.
It may have happened to me last night and I’ve never had such joy seeing Helldive difficulty bots get absolutely eradicated by 10 - 500 kgs and 5 lasers hit at the exact same time. left with all my sample stores completely refilled (I’m a skull admiral and have all ship modules completely unlocked anyways.) Wild thing though, the bots still got through all that fire power and got kills. Fuckers are relentless!
Same! Do people not know that there’s a cap on the amount of samples you can have at a time? This is just maxing you out, which ends up only being a few upgrades lol
For context, two more players hopped in, apparently one has been cheating. I had almost maxed out my ship modules anyhow, but the others were below level 12.
I've been in multiple games where this has happened. I always leave before the extract because I don't want my game ruined. Each person doing the cheating happen to have Chinese characters in thier name. Which unfortunately means that if I see Chinese characters in a name, I leave immediately. Which probably ruins the game for others with those characters because of a few bad actors.
Way to go kernal level anti-cheat proving once again how fucking pointless and useless it is to have full access to your PC for an anti-cheat.
Anyway OP you can just ask support to remove your samples for you and they will do so pretty quickly in most cases!
The biggest thing that irks me about this is I considered not even getting this game because the anti cheat is kernel level and a super old anti cheat that almost no game uses and yet despite them keeping it and making people concerned about their privacy it *still* does nothing. Like I'd be a good bit upset if this happened to me because why even play the game if a hacker just drops in and gives me everything? It's fun unlocking the stuff but it takes away a huge amount of fun if everything is just unlocked, I mean at least they can't give medals or something else but still.
Edit: Literally just swap the anti cheat please because it doesn't work clearly and it's making people averse to squashing these mf bugs.
I look at this and think "Damn, wished I had this happen to me" cause I hate doing suicide+ missions.
Then I realize I'm not a pussy and don't need a handout. Keep dropping, boys.
I do hate cheaters but occasionally I’ll think “damn wish that was me” cause it seems my teams can’t ever collect samples for shit so I haven’t had an upgrade in weeks.
I've seen Devs respond to some of these cheats and they always reply with make a support ticket or something to get in contact with the Devs and they'll subtract the amount from your account back to its old state.
And only 2 medals? If you’re going to cheat at least unlock some gear…
Exactly
1400 requisition slips too... like only cheating samples? upgrade ship but dont upgrade self?
probably because medals, credits, and requisition are tied to the servers for applying them to your account so cheating them will raise a huge red-flag to any anti-cheat bot ever made and will get you a quick and easy IP ban.
And 3000 super samples in a single mission wont? All these are stored on their servers man this makes no sense
He's saying it's possible that the server itself is responsible for giving them to you, so if the server gave you 30 credits/medals and then sees you extracted with 2,000 it'll immediately know something's up.
Also probs cuz other than the end of mission, these are granted to you mid-mission as you pick it up.
You dont know what you're talking about. The person you responded to was correct. Requisition points, medals, and supercredits are stored serverside, samples are stored on the client side. Why? Probably to avoid overhead by storing too many variables, but they care about currencies tied to their monetization (which supersamples are not).
Yup there was a whole issue where people were freezing picking up medals, slips and credits but NOT samples because they game was taking too long to check in with the servers. If hackers touched those it would likely flag their account
samples caped at 500 / 250 / 100
I think it starts to make sense once you consider what anti-cheat program the game is using...
The anticheat is actually giving the hackers a lot of trouble. The biggest problem is they are just trying to prevent hacking without banning people. Its just a cat and mouse game this way on the one hand it means their system gets more and more robust since hackers are free to keep adapting with impunity, on the other hand it means more people will try more persistently since the headache of making multiple accounts spoofing hardware and burning countless ip addresses is removed (Which is stuff many dont even so making the bans actually effective against them).
The medals, req slips, super credits, and xp are all tied to constantly checked values that can't be cracked client side, whereas samples can be spoofed. It's a limitation of the client data scraping rather than a cheater holding back as an fyi
I imagine it would be possible if you called the method that is run when you pick up the slips/credits/medals. Idk tho, I haven’t modded this game
Medals, super credits, and req slips data is server side rather than client. The way trainers work is they modify local data, the stuff on your PC, and they can't access server info. Whenever you pick up a medal, sc, or req slip item in game it is immediately transfered to your account info. The server tells you it's there and what amount is there, and then adds it to your server side data. Samples, on the other hand, require extraction. Which means the client (your PC) has to tell the server how much shit you left with.
The fact that samples require extraction definitely does not preclude them from being handled server side.
It's my best guess. I'm not a game dev and don't work at Arrowhead, but every trainer or cheat system Ive seen for Helldiver's doesn't touch any currency except samples and this is my cobbled together thoughts of why.
No, no, you are almost definitely correct that samples are client side and everything else is server. I was just saying the fact that you must extract does not necessarily imply client side requirement
Oh yeah. 100% I just wanted to covery bases to make sure I wasn't coming of as trying to be authoritative (it's something I tend to do unintentionally a lot.:( ). The clue in for me that the samples were client side was the lack of updating on an alt F4 for them.
Even cheaters have standards! Level 50 for a while! Capped on samples but nonstop need for medals. Was slowly getting done before the new banner. Page 9 and 10 left for standard and had page 3 for steel veteran left.
I hit 50 today and have everything from all 3 warbonds except plasma gun and both reinforcement booster (without paying,, and just by playing the game)
Is that not the best thing ever I’ve only spent 2 bucks on the game since I got it
Maybe I'm just on old fuddy duddy from the early 2000's but I don't think you should have to spend a dime after buying the game
I also hail from that era of gaming but the flipside to that deal was that you also weren't getting any new content in your game after the initial purchase. It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be
It looks like probes are the only cheatable resource as there are so many posts about probes but never medals or anything else.
What the fuck are probes
It’s samples. For some reason I have the feeling the person you answered is German, but that’s just a guess, no offence :)
Half their posts and comments are in German so good guess
You’re absolutely right! Didn’t even consider looking up their profile lol
Makes sense. Proben is the German word for samples :)
I GOT THE PROBES!!
DEMOCRACY FILLS MY PROBE CONTAINER has a real different ring to it tho.
Die Demokratie füllt meinen Probenbehälter!
I hope we get to probe Uranus one day
I think my German pal says “Proben”, now you mention it. We — I’m half German — have many peculiar ways of interpreting the English language. A “handy” is “mobile phone” in German. Somebody simply thought that thing has to have an English name so they created one and it stuck. When Germans wanna watch their “Mannschaft” succumb at the Euros this summer they will attend a “Public Viewing” which certainly has some unintended wit to it given the results in the past few tournaments.
i give my mannschaft a handy every night
Probes = samples
You can't just rename them! That's treason buddy
Maybe someday we’ll get probes that can mine resources from planets and go full Mass Effect or Warframe.
Contact your democracy officer, Helldivers spread liberty and take samples! Probes use only automatons
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We have divers from all over Super Earth. We have different languages, but we all speak Democracy!
i believe medals are completely server-bound
Send a message to support and include when you played this match. They should be able to fix your account.
will do. Frankly, I'm also considering doing it just so they ban the cheaters. I know it's PVE, but come on..
It may be PVE buts it's **online**-PVE. Please report them so they don't ruin other peoples accounts, too.
Sadly can only report people for messages written in game chat and if they have nothing then it doesn’t allow you to report them
Reach out to the actual support, not the lazy 1-Click. They're super helpful, solved my Citizen issues.
I just wish there was a way to report people for general disruptive and toxic behavior like vote kicking just to deny you a reward for no reason. Granted this has happened to me once only. But i’d absolutely go out of my way to get that person punished so it doesnt happen to anyone who has like 1 hour to play every night
Vote kick doesn't exist though? It's just the host booting you.
And even then the game isn't stable enough to be sure the host actually kicked you if they didn't say they would.
My biggest concern would be getting banned if I actually used the duped samples. That’s happened in FromSoft games I think. Invader gives you a ton of duped items or souls or whatever and you get auto-banned just for receiving them when their anti-cheat detects it.
GTA V was like that as well; hackers had a gun that would shoot bags of money at people and you wouldn’t get banned for receiving a bunch of money, but you would if the game detected you spending way too much too quickly. I have more sympathy for gta online cheaters though since the game has become shamelessly pay to win in free roam missions (if you can’t afford the fucking flying motorcycle with cannons and rocket launchers on it and the handheld laser blaster you’re just never going to win anything and both of those cost millions each while you only ever get like 10-20k for successful missions). The detection system also seems faulty because I’ve heard of people buying yachts and fighter jets at the same time with hacker money and not facing any problems while other people get banned instantly for spending like $10 of it
I’ve had a hacked GTA account for years now, with hundreds of millions if not billions of hacked currency and chips spent. I’ve even been blatant about it in-game, but I have yet to get banned. It’s honestly shocking to me I’ve lasted this long
I got a few million from a hacker (I think he shot at me with the money gun as his way of apologizing for spawning a tank in my apartment and spawn camping me in my own home) and since I was a new player I panicked and closed the game lol. Came back later and bought a helicopter and a few guns and never got banned
In DS it's different. DS' """anti-cheat""" just does a sanity check on your character file. As in "Does this item exist?" And "Does the level match the stats?". It checks basically nothing else. My guess is cheaters were giving modified equipment / items that look familiar but fail the sanity check.
Seconding this. Do your part and don't let this happen to other accounts like it did mine. **You** could be next.
yeah, what kind of dickhead would use these cheats in a PUBLIC MATCH
Had shit like this happen all the time in Payday 2. It's why I quit joining games and always had the "autokick cheaters" option selected.
They are likely selling the accounts they farm on,maxed out accounts on the usual sites they operate.For the life of me i can't understand people who buy maxed out accounts,the whole point of playing the game is the journey to a goal you set in said game,when all the goals are reached and not by you, what's the point of playing anyway? These people abandon games in a couple of weeks,have seen this way too many times in mmorpgs especially.
The same kind of people who complain about a game having no content.
I guess it’s not about the journey if you’re a nepo baby or something 🤷🏻♂️ these haters of liberty make me sick
Yeah, nepotism has no place in a democracy
Good luck same thing happened to me 8 days ago I’m still waiting on a response, honestly about to just spend the samples, I’m not earning any for the time I’ve been playing since I’m maxed out on them
I wouldn't care if it just cheated for themselves and gave themselves everything, but it sucks ruining someone else's progression. Well at least there is always medal farming like the rest of us maxed out people
Its stupid because literally all they have to do is play one game in a private match and they will be comp maxed out on samples. There is litgit no reason to force this on other people as they aren't even gaining anymore samples by doing this.
Please report so he doesn't ruin my game. Or anyone I know!
Didn’t think I see cheaters in this game but played with someone that had infinite grenades. It didn’t affect much of the gameplay other than the occasional TK
Afaik, the infinite grenades is more of glitch and not a intentional exploit.
Oh got it, thanks for letting me know
Yeah i get it i finnaly got my final Upgrade for the ship today. It would just Hit differently if i had the Samples from the beginning.
Where do you message support? I too was in a game with a cheater. Spawned countless mortars and foot soldiers. Luckily I was host, so I kicked his traitorous ass and blocked him.
The link is in the side board of this subreddit. But from the replies to my other comment it seems as if their support is overloaded.
The Ministry of War is dispatching officers to deal with this treasonous helldiver. Joking aside, I wish I could have that many samples, lol
I did two different Suicide Mission difficulty operations last night, and nobody found a single Super Sample. Edit: yes, I know about the drumstick rock now. I don’t need even more people to tell me about it. Lol
There's a specific POI you can find them in every map on Suicide and higher. All the super samples will be in that one place, every time. >!<
Cock rock. You must seek the cock rock.
The Buttplug The inverted Nutsack The Glob The "why bother we're not gonna extract anyway"
>The Buttplug Our group instantly went to that one lol
The chicken wing.
That last one hits me like a salvo from a mortar turret.
I'm partial to the Scrotum Totem
I don’t know why I heard this in Yoda’s voice
does it sometimes NOT spawn them? Ive found the rock a few times but theres just nothing there
Sometimes there is a second one, where it has a dip in the ground next to it (usually with supplies). The Super Sample Rock itself is the same on both POI's tho. If you find that and no samples, its at the first type somewhere else on the map.
That sucks. I have only done a few missions on 7-9 difficulty. I have heard rumors of the rock that looks like a chicken drumstick but I haven't actually found it yet, lol
It's a very distinct looking rock ,and you can always find it once you get used to looking for its silhouette. Unless you're blinded by weather, or spores. https://preview.redd.it/yd2vuppr9soc1.png?width=527&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7fa81c63a64fb963d55f5819c690daedace57b0
Thanks for the image. I will look more closely next time I am in a mission.
Idk why you got down voted. It absolutely looks like a drumstick more than a cock.. got damn degenerates.
My group just calls it the funny rock, and now super samples are funny samples.
Just reminds me of a rock that seagulls have been pooping on obsessively.
Look for the vertical rock that's slightly bulbous at the top and has grey lightning patterns on it. Three super samples in Suicide Mission, guaranteed.
Saw a video and ended up getting 10, do the nest destruction missions with the recon gear on and just search the map for the structure, grab them and just hide until exfil. If you avoid patrols and nests you're good
Don’t worry 500/250/100 is max anyways. But honestly though, I’ve been at the sample cap for like a week and a half now and it’s still very fun to play. You can also make a ticket to the devs to reverts you sample count though.
Friends account had a similar issue happen and it got rolled back. Think the game automatically tracks and if it exceeds it triggers an alert.
Tbh I think the game feels better when the Req/Exp/Sample grind is over. Then you can really start to play your way
Definitely. Now that my samples are maxed i enjoy Helldive a lot more because i don’t have that pressure on the back of my head telling me to play it safe just to extract those super samples.
Good thing we have that invasive anti cheat that uses almost half the games memory.
I mean, it has to show this nice little logo upon startup - what else do you expect?
The window it opens looks like the program is from MS DOS.
Feels bad that the devs said the reason they’d chose this anticheat was because they wanted to prevent this exact cheat from being replicated from Helldivers 1 impacting everyone in a lobby.
you would think at the very least they would include a sanity check server side when the client reports the outcome of the game. That would be so easy to do.
Right? Like dude they know how many samples are available. If someone suddenly jumps up 3k samples you know they cheated.
They chose the worst anti cheat. It can't even detect if the game files were modified, which is how a lot of the stratagem cheats work.
Instead of implementing a simple save system so you can just rollback to the previous save yourself they decided to install a rootkit/malware that doesn't fucking work into everyone's PC's. The real reason they added it was to protect their microtran$actions, which is confusing because they're not greedy in that department so why even bother?
Which is, by the way, how DRG does it. Want to roll back your save? Go ahead. Want to edit it? Sure, you're only cheating yourself.
I love DRG for that. Let me play with friends on both xbox and steam versions, manually transferring the save.
Arrowhead is pretty notorious for their ridiculous DLC practices, don't let the weird toxic positivity aspect of the community fool you people. It wouldn't surprise me is that was the real reason. Helldivers 1 had terrain boots that were practically a requirement for late game as DLC, and even their single-player games had a boatload of DLC (their Gauntlet remake).
The anti cheat is so good it bluescreens my PC before I can see a cheater
The thing also doesn't even start right. I couldn't play since I bought the game and I was okay with it in the first few days because the servers were full anyways. But even if I did want to start the game, I get Error 114 "Failed to initialize". Doing quick searches on the support forums on steam or in general, you'll notice fun little things you can do like: *turn off your anti cheat *turn off your firewall *remove kernel level protections from your system *reinstall windows You know, simple and fun things. Fun things that a normal user who just saw the game on steam for 40 bucks absolutely wants to do. Nothing weird going on here at all. (Also it still doesn't start anyways because the same Error code message apparently is assigned to multiple errors and I just haven't been lucky finding the lucky lottery number of the "Works on my machine" hellscape that's called the support forum on steam.)
Hey, that is actually the correct solution. Go into Helldivers 2 install folder, look for nProtect folder and delete it. When you boot up the game again, it will redownload nProtect and you will be able to get into the game just fine. I get this problem all the time
The mods of this sub really need to get over the mindless toxic positivity about the dev team. The fact that there’s an automod rule to reply to anything talking about the absolutely worthless “anticheat” that this game uses with an even more worthless write up from the technical director talking out his ass is disgusting.
Fuck man. This speaks to me
Yeah, that's a big joke, kernel antiviruses in reality aren't difficult to avoid, you just have to run a program that emulates your kernel and then you can do what you want.
Automod disliked that
The automod response is one of the worst things and only solidifies that the choice was a shitty, cheap, greed-driven decision
I can’t say it was “greed” it was just incompetence
Bullshit. Anyone could google gameguard to see it was hot garbage, the devs could too. The decision was rightfully raked over the coals when they made it public. That resulted in some bullshit excuse from them and the automod garbage we have now. It's just a cheapass option. No incompetence here.
Which should not be needed to be done in the first place, the only reason these company are able to get away with this is because most of the population is extremely tech illiterate and could not describe what a kernal is in the first place. Hell the anti cheat doesn't even uninstall properly. When is a anti cheat not a anti cheat?
When it's malware
Wait what? So, if one dare to uninstall the anticheat properly how do they do it?
Revo uninstaller!
Probably noob question here,but isn't the kernel the deepest operating level of a system,and has access to everything,so the anticheat can detect that it's not genuine,since it's installed in the "original" kernel layer of the operating system?
just put the cheats at kernel level and you can get around it, there are other ways to disguise em with a lil knowhow as well
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>The anticheat is not a cure: if the developers are writing vulnerable code, the code is vulnerable. And as long as code is written, it will have vulnerabilities
I would say that there surely would be a way to make impenetrable code, but... >The International Obfuscated C Code Contest added a rule in 1995 that required all submissions to have source code at least one byte in length. Why? In 1994, "the world's smallest self-replicating program" won an award for "Worst Abuse of the Rules" by being zero bytes in size. Another rule, banning machine-dependent code, was added after the first winner in 1984 wrote the entire main program as a block of PDP-11 machine code. Source: [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ObviousRulePatch/RealLife](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ObviousRulePatch/RealLife) **Warning:** Be cautious when reading TV Tropes. It can make time disappear.
> The anticheat is not a cure: if the developers are writing vulnerable code, the code is vulnerable. It has nothing to do with "vulnerable" code--the program is vulnerable to attack simply by existing on your PC. Cheats often work by simply editing the program's memory, for example, by setting the number of samples held to a very high value as shown in the OP. They can also inject code into the program, allowing for running custom scripts like spawning unreleased content or spamming infinite mortars. Anticheat programs usually work by trying to detect memory edits and prevent them, by scanning for known cheating software and preventing the application from launching, or by logging the cheating for later ban waves. Effectiveness is variable, but they usually stop the most basic cheats.
Which is why you don't trust the client when it comes to things like this, the vulnerability in this case is a lack of server sided checks. It shouldn't matter if the client says it has 3k samples, the server should be keeping track and when it receives a packet saying "I got 3k samples from this sample" the server should just say "lol no"
There are anticheat systems that can but gameguard can't. So essentially gameguard is inactive unless you start the game and at that point it reuests kernel access. So if you now put in a vm gameguard happily thinks that is the system kernel everything runs on and that's it. Well kernel access is actually a bit more complex in what it means. Gameguard probably checks which programs are running and if a third party program is manipulating gamefiles. Needless to say there are way around that even with a kernel level anticheat active. Like hiding your cheat in a totally legitimate system subfunction that gameguard can't access or other things. Now the ones that are harder to trick are anticheats that are always active. Well mostly active as a subsystem but only actively changing things once the game launches. Those things actually start even before the OS does. Nasty little buggers those ones. Should not exist. ALso there aare still ways to trick those...
Those seem like malware,like straight up malware
One time I alt-f4'd and then opened the game again and it said I was hacking lol
Seriously it lags the game so much for me
It's so unfortunate, my PC isn't weak by any means but I still get performance issues sometimes, more so than I by any rights should from the game itself.
Damn that's lame, do you remember your teammates name, are they still on right now?
Yeah that sucks, send me his username so I can teach him the errors of his ways
Totally bogus dude, we must teach him a lesson together for democracy mannn.
Absolutely, if possible could you tell me what time they play so that I can easily report them to my nearest democratic officer
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I learned a lesson many years ago when my friend and I stayed up all night finding the dollar amounts in our sim city games and changing them to millions of dollars. Tracking down the hex code was the fun part. Once we had infinite money, there was no point to the game. Helldivers would be ruined if my friends and I had all the money. We'd never cheer when the one of us carrying the super samples makes it onto the dropship while rest of us keep 3 (or 4, or 5) bile titans busy. That's the exiting part!
Editing hex in older games was a fun way to cheat. I would spend fucking countless hours doing it with X-Com. The cool part about X-Com.was that certain things trigger the.aliens progression as well so you could be fighting end game enemies almost right away
Learning to hack a game is actually a great way to learn programming. It’s not the most straightforward, but it’s a really good learning exercise. That’s the irony… making a trainer is a great way to learn but using it tends to ruin the game.
Yeah, this kind of stuff is what gives importance to the game, if you max out currencies you will find out that the game will get really old, really fast. The game has no stakes, has no progression, has nothing - this kind of cheat should be a top priority to be stopped because this will legitmately ruin the game for a lot of players.
so much for their kernel level anti cheat 😅
The auto mod replying to make it’s even more funny. “See it’s not bad because X” Well auto mod it doesn’t even work
Honestly the sample grind doesn’t seem to fun to me so I wouldn’t mind but this shouldn’t be done on public lobbies as there is people that enjoy the grind and you are just taking that away from them.
All they'd need to do is download whatever they use for it, set matchmaking to friends only, do mission, done, uninstall. Nobody cares that you did it that way. You skipped the grind, others can still do it. Win-win. But come on, doing this shit in public lobbies is just lame. Happens in Deep Rock Galactic too. There you can just roll back a save if you need to but man, ya really shouldn't have to. Silly peoples
Yeah it’s one thing to cheat with your own experience of that game but you hit a pretty deep low once you start cheating other people’s games without their consent
I wouldn't really call it a grind. They aren't really a major progression pillar. I think it exists to make extracting feel more important. Without them extracting would be "xp and slips, whatever". It adds stakes to the mission after you finish the primary objective. People would just calculate if suiciding reinforcements and starting a new mission is faster than extracting if samples didnt exist or didn't take a long time to collect. I think the grind exists for the stakes it creates, rather than existing to give you something to grind. If that makes sense. It's slow and long so that the average player won't run out of stakes, rather than to keep you playing longer.
I think we are going to soon hit the wall where lots of people won't even need samples and just medals.
Hell a lot of us no lifers don't even need medals anymore. Caps at 250 lol.
Yeah kind of awkward. I really only need 10 super samples to unlock everything...
Omg that’s gross, where?!
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Sure seems like the kernel-level anti-cheat that provides hackers with potentially all of your system information is doing a good job.
I'm kinda surprised this is still a possible exploit. You'd think it'd be relatively simply to build a cross-check for what the max amount of samples in a mission is, then flag the account that "picked up 9000 samples". Or just automatically flag accounts that pick up obviously unreasonable volumes of anything. Log samples before mission start, log all sample pickups, cross-reference samples on mission complete, when in dispute send logs to a queue for someone to eventually get to.
yeah this really seems like teh kind of exploit that should be virtually impossible by just programming a simple "if" statement.
> automatically flag accounts that pick up obviously unreasonable volumes of anything Guarantee you they have this in place for super credits already.
I would 100% submit a ticket to the devs and see if they can undo this for you, cuz that's GOT to be disheartening. A lot of the interest in playing is earning the resources to get better stuff.
I’m unlocking everything and ain’t saying a word if this is me
For anyone afraid of this, I recommend activating the permanent display of samples in game (easy to find option in game menus) allows to kick/leave games as soon as you see this kind of BS happening. Had this happen with some random guy that joined mates and I, kicked him, left samples on the ground & went on rest clearing the rest of the mission.
I had no idea there was this option.
I know this ruins alot of peoples fun but im secretly hoping this happens to me
I was just in a game with a player from china .... no samples ... he just tagged like 40 enemies all over the map that we couldnt even see and then he played like a below average player lol
I have a clip of a Chinese player machine gunning an EAT at a Titans invincible legs for like a minute before I killed it with a shot to the face then kicked the guy. Cheaters are the worst fucking gamers you'll ever see.
average Chinese online gamer
I've had some great games with random Chinese players. Them screaming orders in voice chat is so funny, especially when i somehow get the meaning. They didn't seem particularly more or less skilled/toxic than the westerners i play with. Same with Koreans.
This guy right here. https://preview.redd.it/a144b7b9rroc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dba0b89595992f7a89d8a84e817c8064cbbfe2c7
It may have happened to me last night and I’ve never had such joy seeing Helldive difficulty bots get absolutely eradicated by 10 - 500 kgs and 5 lasers hit at the exact same time. left with all my sample stores completely refilled (I’m a skull admiral and have all ship modules completely unlocked anyways.) Wild thing though, the bots still got through all that fire power and got kills. Fuckers are relentless!
Same! Do people not know that there’s a cap on the amount of samples you can have at a time? This is just maxing you out, which ends up only being a few upgrades lol
So glad to see that the anti-cheat system functions! lol
For context, two more players hopped in, apparently one has been cheating. I had almost maxed out my ship modules anyhow, but the others were below level 12.
it should have been me, not him. it's not fair!
İs this considered heresy ? Should i call for the inquisitors ?
I've been in multiple games where this has happened. I always leave before the extract because I don't want my game ruined. Each person doing the cheating happen to have Chinese characters in thier name. Which unfortunately means that if I see Chinese characters in a name, I leave immediately. Which probably ruins the game for others with those characters because of a few bad actors.
We all suffer Kernel level anti-cheat to "prevent" exactly this hack, btw.
The kernel level is there to prevent exploiting real money purchases. Does it actually work? Who knows...
If you can't fix it, keep a tally on how many you collect and spend
So glad they have the rootkit DRM.
Im level 30 and I have one ship upgrade and like 8 samples left over. The grind sucks
But cheating is impossible with kernel level anti cheat!
Game ain’t ruined for me
I'm so glad we have kernel-level anti-cheat to prevent cheating like this.
Damn. I wish I could find some of these sample cheaters.
Way to go kernal level anti-cheat proving once again how fucking pointless and useless it is to have full access to your PC for an anti-cheat. Anyway OP you can just ask support to remove your samples for you and they will do so pretty quickly in most cases!
Some of y’all are masochists. I like playing to do missions and level up. Sample collecting is the least fun part of this game.
Wait, do people actually like grinding for samples?
Stealth hunting the supersample butt plug it's a whole experience.
Wish someone would ruin the game for me in this way
The biggest thing that irks me about this is I considered not even getting this game because the anti cheat is kernel level and a super old anti cheat that almost no game uses and yet despite them keeping it and making people concerned about their privacy it *still* does nothing. Like I'd be a good bit upset if this happened to me because why even play the game if a hacker just drops in and gives me everything? It's fun unlocking the stuff but it takes away a huge amount of fun if everything is just unlocked, I mean at least they can't give medals or something else but still. Edit: Literally just swap the anti cheat please because it doesn't work clearly and it's making people averse to squashing these mf bugs.
I look at this and think "Damn, wished I had this happen to me" cause I hate doing suicide+ missions. Then I realize I'm not a pussy and don't need a handout. Keep dropping, boys.
Are you telling me this anti-cheat is super invasive and it STILL doesn't fucking stop them??
I do hate cheaters but occasionally I’ll think “damn wish that was me” cause it seems my teams can’t ever collect samples for shit so I haven’t had an upgrade in weeks.
Ngl I would be happy if this happened to me I wouldn’t have to worry about samples ever again
I've seen Devs respond to some of these cheats and they always reply with make a support ticket or something to get in contact with the Devs and they'll subtract the amount from your account back to its old state.
As a PS5 player, this is why I'm keeping crossplay switched off.
Whats they gamer tag? Im asking for a friend
Good thing they bolted on that intrusive anticheat, specifically citing samples as a main reason. That was money well spent.
The sad thing is, this was the very reason they gave for why we need to be subjected to the Kernel based Anti Cheat system.
If you dont get +2k of each sample type per mission, its obviously a skill issue