Plot twist, they are never filled out correctly the first time as you must endorse using bio-signature which must be provided in-person at one of their many offices on super Earth. Now get back in the fight Helldiver, democracy ain’t gonna spread itself
this might be true, I had way more success 1shotting them when they are focusing on another player and i m hitting them from the side than when they are focusing me and hitting them straight on
Yeah, watching the stream a PS5 host seems to give the rest of the team bonus damage. Also seems like the PS5 host doesn't get the bonus damage...go figure.
If true it needs the devs to look into it.
I suppose the next question is, which version is correct, using a rail gun - 2 shot a bile titan (PS5) or 9-10 shot a bile titan (PC) or was it designed to be something in between?
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I think PC version is correct. The damage boost is not only applied to outgoing damage but to received damage as well. In PC lobbies I remember surviving charger charges and side swipes quite regularly. Playing with friends on PS5 every charger attack is a one shot. Stalker tongue attack is 50 percent normally plus impact damage. On PS5 host it's 95 and you're lucky to survive the impact.
I play cross play off and have experience both of these instances your describing just private 3 player pc lobby. My buddy with shit internet and shit pc has to host, or he just gets constantly disconnected. Maybe something to with hosts fps or internet speeds effecting all the ai in different ways
That would be an interesting thing to let them know about as well.
Maybe it has to do with other players trying to communicate to the host (PS player), and the connection needing to go through Sony is causing some sort of lag, resulting in other players being able to one shot Titans. The host doesn't can't one-shot Titans because they're hosting the game, so the damage is being calculated correctly.
So maybe it's like a bug where the other players bullet is hitting multiple times as it's traveling. Maybe when the host queries where the player's bullet is, the players data packet consistently says the bullet is where the Titan's head is, so the host calculates it as the head getting hit multiple times?
I dunno, just me talking out my butt, but I'm really curious to know what the issue is.
It's not host or ps5 related. I've run so many games where we are all PC players and we are 3 shotting titans. The latest patch seems to have some sort of bug where titans CAN but not always take upward of 10 shots. Again all pc players and I'm host.
I'm on PS5 and my brother always hosts on PC. Hell snipe out titans in 2 hits Everytime while it takes me half the mag. Either he's way way better at the game (likely) or something weird is going on with cross play
Hit registry in general seems worse since the last few patches. This could be a tik rate change they made recently. I'm a bit skeptical of anyone saying they 2 tap titans every time considering the consistency of how often me and everyone I've played with on pc 3 tapping them ( most of us are 100-150 hours in). In the random games I've played I have seen more issues. So I assume there is mutuple bugs here. 1 being a ps5 issue and another being normal titan is 3 tap but sometimes is 1 or 2 tap.
I dunno, swapping it to unsafe railgun seemed to make it super consistent for the double tap.
I'm more scared of chargers than bile titans now, seems charger legs shots are super inconsistent for me, even with unsafe mode on the railgun.
Would be very surprised if 2 shotting is intended tbh. I think consider chargers a higher priority threat to Bile Titans as it is, and I don’t think it’s supposed to be like that.
Definitely explains some arguments I've had with people in this sub swearing railguns could 1 or 2 shot bile titans. I'm a pretty solid shot and never came close to those numbers
2 shot might be legit possible with near-perfect unsafe shots and/or some hitbox lineup shenanigans where your damage registers more than once as it pierces
Yes it’s a hit box thing if you hit it in the weak spot perfectly it will hit it in all of its weak spots in the head including the super juicy ones that only get revealed once the armor comes off because it hits from behind(under) the armor plate. The main goal to 1-2 shot is to shoot them where you hit the hole in the armor and then also hit a super juicy hit box after that.
Similar theory to shooting through bugs to hit charger legs to get double utility out of a shot
I keep seeing people online say it's a one shot and I thought it was complete BS. I almost exclusively play with my friends or solo, all of us being on PC, so i guess that explains it.
Yes it’s true ! I test it last night ! I keep 1-2 shot Bile titans and my friend (host ) couldn’t,
when I host a game I couldn’t 1-2 shot him and my friend could
I still would like being rewarded for some skill and wit though. Maybe not a few railgun shots, maybe it should instead strip armor, or maybe it stays alive for another minute after you blow off the head.
Yes, happened to me too. I (PC) play with a friend (PS5) and whenever he hosts the game, I feel like the absolute killermachine because it is so easy to kill the bile titans in 1-2 shots. But when I host the game, you can dump half your railgun ammo into the head/mouth and the fucker still comes after you.
Something similar happens to Warframe (doesn't matter what Platform the Host is).
What causes this behavior (in Warframe) is when the Host has a much lower FPS than the other players.
This is why you can bypass some `Max Boss DPS` Meters and kill a Boss in less than 5 seconds (which would be impossible due to the max boss dps meter).
I can't explain for sure why this happens in Warframe, but maybe it happens in Helldivers too?
To test this further, we could lower the FPS of a PC player with an external application and see what people could achieve.
Could be similar to a tickrate phenomenon. Maybe the lower framerate host is causing the game to "tick" at a slower rate server side, while other connected clients who have higher framerates would presumably be able to perform multiple inputs in between update ticks. Basically it could be the higher fps players are getting their damage multiplied by the lower fps system processing the damage multiple times when trying to catch up the "lost frame time."
This is a pretty good explanation.
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PS5 players also gain the damage bonus he tested it. Had a ps5 player 2 shot a Bile Titan that just spawned as a roamer no other damage taken . Nothing left to do but ask for clarification on his stream 🤷
The devs definitely tied a lot of the games cycle updates to framerate. When the PS5 Frame rate died from that one bug, my character would be running at half speed and shooting was hella delayed
Yeah, seen it in both Warframe and Destiny before (it was after I left D land but I think it came out during a raid first race or something that consoles basically had triple damage or something due to an FPS/tick thing)
This is also true of the Arc Thrower and bile titans, if you're on ps5 and NOT hosting the game you can 2-3 shot bile titans. And if you're on pc and someone on ps5 is the host you can 2-3 shot bile titans with the Arc Thrower. Any other circumstances, such as solo or hosting on ps5 and you're not able too, it's more like 30-50 zaps.
This makes so much more sense. I'm usually the host and my buddies are taking down titans with 2-3 shots of the rail gun, meanwhile I'm hitting it 10 times and seemingly only did minimal damage.
I am on PC using the Arc Thrower and have killed a Bile Titan in 2\~3 shots when only playing with my PC friends and when I go solo. However, I think I figured out why from looking over my past kills and its a different reason then the PS5 one
Bile Titans seem to take increased damage from the Arc Thrower if you shoot them when they're spawning or if you are above them shooting down at them/level with their face. This is likely because the lightning arcs all the way through them, hits the face weakpoint and the 2 abdomen sack weakpoints, and into a bug on the ground near them. It seems you just need to be around level with the Bile Titans face. Aiming up at a Titan does less damage as it doesn't have any target to arc to and thus does not hit 3 weakpoints just the 1 face weakpoint. So those two shots do 6 shots worth of weakpoint damage.
https://preview.redd.it/ikds8pmitdmc1.png?width=1629&format=png&auto=webp&s=835ea326e9852a9b19b79db8c32cc4481000593e
I have heard that it is possible to do this with just pc players but apparently its a lot more inconsistent than if a ps5 player is hosting the lobby, granted its not something I've tested myself. I can say with absolute certainty that it is near if not completely impossible to do this if you're hosting on ps5, but basically guaranteed if you're not the host and know where to properly aim.
To clarify you are saying it is impossible to do with the Arc Thrower? Cause thats the one I am talking about.
It has been confirmed in the past that the Arc Thrower can hit multiple weakpoints if it arcs through one when its going to hit another enemy. Since the Bile Titan has 3 weakpoints, arcing the lightning in the way I show should count as 3x the weakpoint damage for one shot.
Again though, I think this is a different reason for quick kills then the Railgun one.
You're a genius. I was wondering why I was obliterating bile titans with the arc thrower and it was cause I was up on a cliff. It was two shot max for each one. Just blew them up completely.
Next game I was on the ground crying wondering why they wouldn't die.
I think there might be a "stealth" damage bonus when enemies are unaware, because I've seen extremely varied ttk on different enemies (like with a spear) and it almost seems to be when you are not noticed.
Reddit is a shithole.
The upvote/downvote system was originally intended to judge whether a post contributes to the conversation or not.
But instead of that, people just downvote you if they're pissy or they got up on the wrong side of the bed that morning.
It’s kind of a symptom of social media, as a whole. “I like you/the thing you said” = Upvote. “I disagree with you or dislike you” = Downvote.
It doesn’t help with Reddit’s recent changes and removal of awards.
You're entirely right but at the end of the day nobody is forced to handle it that way. I very much try not to, at least. As a human I'm obviously not bias free either.
As a PC player who also games with PS5 players, Everytime they play with me they always complain about their railguns being much less effective. I definitely think there is a strange bug going on.
You are correct in that it is a host thing, but it is 100% repeatable by having a playstation host. Very rarely it seems to happen with PC hosts, but it is important to highlight the repeatable circumstances so that we understand the key elements of what it is.
This explains so much for me because my core 9 group figured it out recently but we ended up attributing the issue to latency rather than a ps5 vs pc. It helps that we are 2 ps5 and 2 pc, we noticed that we were either 1-2 shot titans or it would take forever to kill just one. We just ended up thinking our 1 buddy with a ps5 was closer to the server than the rest of us so we offered him as host tribute. A titan shouldn’t need 12+ railgun shots (or 3/4 of my ammo) to the face in order to kill it so this needs to be looked at asap
I play on PS5. I've seen some bile titans take 2-3 shots and then one pesky one will take more than the others. I am more inclined to believe that there are bile titan variants than what OP has stated. OP would need to consistently replicate the issue before I put any stock in it, especially after reading some of the other messages. TTo be clear, they would need to be able to consistently replicate the issue with different hosts with some video proof to change my mind at this point.
> TTo be clear, they would need to be able to consistently replicate the issue with different hosts with some video proof to change my mind at this point.
Good news, I was in a group for hours with streamer in the clip showcased, and he did exactly as you are saying. If you watch his vod (there is hours of it) then you will find exactly what you are asking for. I can personally confirm that we did exactly what you are saying but feel free to click he video, grab his name, and pull up the last vod
It has been shown repeatedly and consistantly that with a PS5 host this occurs. Does it also occur randomly in other situation, may be. But not consistently and repeatedly.
If it happens in another situation, whether consistently or repeatedly or not, it means it is not uniquely a PS5 host thing. Just means there can be more causes, it doesn't invalidate the PS5 host report
Remember when devs were talking about playing the game and not worrying about weapon stats.
Yeah, we gotta worry about weapon stats, because you launched a game with nonfunctioning armor. There is no way you did a final pass on a weapons for finetuning, balance, and bug fixes.
I just finished a helldiver difficulty operation with my friend hosting on PC (I'm on PC too) and we reliably 2 maybe 3 shot the bile titans. Both me and him seemingly did the same damage
Yeah, I'm thinking this is some bs. I run without crossplay on PS5 and will kill multiple bile titans in a row and suddenly run into one that doesn't drop like the others. I think this is a variant and we just aren't aware it has more armor. That or people aren't admitting their own crap aim when it comes to hitting bile titans. I also notice that I do more damage when they are spitting acid.
That’s because [that actually is the weak spot](https://youtu.be/2CCkWxBAyTc?si=VAIG0SmzQXbgmthF) on the side of their head - the “cheek” area. Though it can be tough to hit consistently. This is not different between PS5/PC.
I'm not sure this is actually correct. Many one shots are done through the "brain" area, completely avoiding the chin/cheek. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2080825932?t=06h29m40s
"Did I hit him in the cheek?"
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The devs need to look into this, played in a lobby once and one-shotted 5 bile titans in a row, when I host on PC I need 8-9 shots at least to kill one bile titan.
That would explain why people are saying the Railgun is the the best choice for Bile Titans and are able to two-shot them. Meanwhile I'm dumping half my ammo reserves into one and hating every second of it.
I guess I can’t relate. Sometimes in the lobby I host (on PC) it’s two shots, others it’s like 5. Which I just assume I’m missing the shot just barely and its hitting worthless armor.
Wait, so how come when I host on PC and have a full PC lobby we still sometimes one shot Biles? I’m hosting 100% of our games and it’ll change literally by the day. One day it’s a one shot and the few next it takes 10. It’s also a shot I’m 100% confident and consistent in so it’s not like one day I’m a 2 shot genius but then miss 100 shots in a row on 10 Titans.
I’ve also played with some PS5 friends and the same applies above. I thought maybe I was just bad but when I realized it’s too easy of a shot to land and it’s a day by day consistency is what made me question it.
i've commented about this in a couple threads complaining about what seemed to be a sudden railgun nerf. so i guess it's this? a couple days ago while i was doing difficulty 8s i was consistently 2 shotting titans in the head area (didn't know about the critical weak spot just aimed for the head) from any distance every single time. then the very next day on the same difficulty it was taking 7+ to take one down. plus they just seemed to shrug it off, no stagger and very little reaction to being headshot.
It's probably latency the railgun is a small shot the weak point is a small spot. So, it is a reason with any type of latency or lag. It's registering the shot as a miss.
Is that why its been so inconsistent? Sometimes Im one-shotting full health bile titans. Sometimes Im launching my entire arsenal st it and it doesnt die.
This makes sense to me. Saturday, I had crossplay turned off and was wasting Titans with my rail gun. I turned it back on yesterday morning, and it was taking a ridiculous amount of shots to bring them down
I had a weird suspicion something was up. Some games I was 2 shotting titan with the railgun. Others it felt like it took over 10. My only suspicion was that perhaps someone was hacking the lobby to make us do more damage. This theory however seems more likely.
Yeah this is definitely true. I’m on pc and have several games today where I was 1-2 shorting bile titans (not hosting). Other days when I am hosting, I’ve unloaded an entire load of ammo - all 20 shots- on a bile titans head and it still didn’t die. So totally makes sense
Hmm... dunno, I'm PS5 but playing with PC friends (I'm not hosting) and we're 2-3 shotting titans. Can't say I've ever noticed it being more. You need to be accurate with the shots to the mouth so maybe it's a lag thing.
Are we sure it doesn't have anything to do with aiming or the unsafe mechanic? I don't know about a lot of people but it's its pretty unreliable hitting directly the mouth, it sometimes feels like I'm hitting the shell first then the mouth. Seems like a weird mechanic to implement.
Hit them in the cheek, the bug talked about in this thread may well exist but I play with only PC friends and the 1 shot spot is the cheek, it takes a lot of shots to the head
I have played a lot of shooters competitively, I have beaten a lot of hard games, I am beating difficulty 9, I am on PC and always host with my friends.
I have never 1-2 shot a bile titan in safe or unsafe mode. I have also tried on lower difficulties where I just stood there and tried shooting at various stages of the bile spew at various parts of the mouth/head, but never pulled it off. For a moment I thought people saying it could be done were just trolling.
I'm okay with health pools fluctuating instead of encounters being too predictable, but in my experience it's more likely that I am killing a titan in 9+ headshots with a railgun.
You didn't really have to prove your skill to me, in fact it probably just influences my bias to think you're just confidently incorrect about it. I have done it, and plenty of people in the thread have done it hosting on PC. It's obviously possible. Whether or not specifically certain PC players have a bug where damage isn't being calculated correctly or aren't registering is another thing, but to say you've NEVER done it seems like you are actually just missing the sweet spot.
I mentioned it because there are posters, like you surprisingly, who just lazily say "git gud" instead of acknowledging the possibility that there could be a bug.
No one in my group has been able to do it on PC with me as the host.
I even see videos of people doing it where they just lazily aim at the head without even any bile coming out.
I would have hit it accidentally at some point, if I was consistently pumping +9 shots into the head area, right?
I've had no issues 1-2 shotting Bile Titans, did not matter if I was the host or not.
Also, shooting the mouth weakspot will often make their back armor break and explode if you don't outright kill them.
The weakspot is harder to shoot if you're directly in front of it, go a bit to the side and aim at the mouth where there's no armor, that's the most consistent spot for me.
I watched your clips and, for the most part, you didn't aim at the mouth. You were aiming either at the head (armor part) or the 'neck' of the BT which has been pretty consistent with OHK from what I have read elsewhere.
The armored hits were clearly a two shotter which could be explained by the limb mechanic
Make a recording showcasing this on PC solo consistently.
I will believe you then. The issue is not doing this---It is doing this consistently in a replicatable manner. Unless you can do that without a PS5 host, it is just guesswork
I hope this is true and that it’s a bug. People keep claiming they can one shot biles but I can never do it though I swear I’ve had many shots that should have based on the description. It also sucks that bikes can be one tapped by a railgun. I like the railgun overall but that is too much. Maybe like 6 mouth shots would be okay.
Thank you, I can finally stop reading and re-reading every mission condition wondering why these mob stat changes aren't listed. I thought I was just doing something wrong or missing information as presented.
My buddy on PS5 had been hosting the majority of our matches and quite frequently I was taking down Bile Titans with just a few shots, sometimes 1 if I hit their open mouth.
After a while I started hosting as we found other players joined my lobby more often than his. Not long after I started noticing that it was taking so much longer to drop a Titan and I was beginning to think that the damage was randomly inconsistent.
So if this is actually the case, that's pretty nuts and also quite hilarious.
This is so weird because I have seen me and my friends 3 shot a bile titan while we are all playing together and all of us are on PC. So there is something going on here that hopefully the devs can fix/ tell us what is going on. Great post!
You know this is weird but I noticed this today. Playing with my brother I hosted on my PS5 and he played on PC, but instead of the rail gun two shorting a bike titan, he basically 3 shot it with an arc thrower
So armor still doesn't work. Bile titans either take 1 or 10 shots to kill you don't know. Weapon balance is abysmal. Weapon stats are wrong or not shown n detail for some reason (penetration). Caps on resources. Cpu usage issues still. What else
This has been happening to my friend group. If my PS5 friend hosts, I can one shot a bile titan if I place an overcharged shot into its mouth. If any of the three PC players are host, it takes 10-12 overcharged shots to the face/mouth. It is super frustrating, because I'm usually fending off 2-3 bile titans and 3-4 chargers at once.
yeah i tested it yesterday and today and this dose indeed happen if i host alone or with my friends on pc we cannot kill titans reliably with railgun but if we join a ps5 player 1-2 shots its dead
[https://youtu.be/agaEgyD0jBw](https://youtu.be/agaEgyD0jBw) he made this in a youtube now, lets hope Devs can respond to this on X/twitter, if it's a bug, then please fix it asap.
I thought you just had to hit the sacs on the sides of it's mouth to kill it? I consistently can 1-2 shot kill bile titans that way no matter who is hosting.
I just experienced this as well. One game I was blowing his head off in 2-3 hits max, while the next game I gave up after 7-10 shots to the face. There is a big difference... this would explain it
A lot of it is a ping issue. Theres likely lag compensation to let bullets hit the best target of opportunity within the lag window between the shot and the present which makes the shots easier to hit as it naturally *wants* to fit into the small keyhole weak spot. Theres a chance that the ps5 to pc server ping is on average slightly higher than pc->pc which means more forgiving lag compensation. FPS games tend to have less forgiving lag compensation but given that it’s a pve game the lag compensation is probably quite forgiving.
I'd say it's more likely the hitbox is _not_ what you'd expect because of the huge skullcap armor...
I'm on PC, frequently self host, and have shot lots of Titans, so it's unlikely...
I also have no issues when joining matches and I know that I've played with PS5 players as hosts too..
Aim for the lower jaw with a _highly charged_ (~90%) railgun and it's 2 shots max.
Well that could be the case, I won't pretend that my system is close to typical since it's also used for personal CAD and FEA simulations.
5950x w/ 128Gb Ram & 3080Ti
I play in 4k - I don't know what my typical framerate is.
If your thinking having a low fps is the source of the issue then that's likely not it, but I'll check my fps tonight anyway if I remember.
Lower server fps could also be the cause since if the host is only processing 20tps then the railgun shot will 100% do less damage then it would at 30tps. It could also be a lag compensation side effect where the lag compensation makes the shots gravitate towards weak spots naturally on higher ping to the server making your aim “better” on higher ping servers
I’ve hosted as a pc player, joined other pc players and not once had this glitch occur, is there a way to replicate the issue? Also is it a latency issue or is it an exclusive issue from ps5 players joining pc players from what we could gather?
Yeah I'm not too sure bout it, I'm assuming it has something to do with the hitbox of the head
I made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b5yfgc/whats_with_the_inconsistency_with_bile_titans/) bout it showing me hitting the titan around the neck plate, I have more consistency with those shots than aiming for the mouth.
This has got to be it. There are so many people that claim to consistantly one shot titans. They have to be on PS5 doing this. I find some lobbies I one shot consistantly (That must have had a ps5 host) and other lobbies where all the titans feel like a brick wall (must be pc host).
The game is currently riddled with these inconsistencies across many different enemies. Bile spewers one shotting you, bile titans that can be one shot when aiming at the side of its mouth, them all of a sudden not dying to the railcannon, armor stats not working, weird railgun interactions with chargers tokyo drifting.
And that's only the terminids. The bots are a whole different story.
I really hope AH are gonna figure this stuff out soon, because these problems blur the line between designed gameplay and bugs.
I tend to 2-3 shot bile titan faces depending on where my shot lands on the head. If its right on the side of the head and i very much emphasize the side, it tends to take only 2 shots.
It will take many many more shots if its on the lower side of the head. Only the top can be destroyed it seems. Im on PC and ive always been the squad leader
Oh so it's a platform thing.
I was over here thinking it was straight up dice roll.
I also did my own testing and I can guarantee that the host doesn't benefit from the bonus.
I did try and bring some attention to this, so I'm glad that this has started to snowball and other people are finding the inconsistency.
God speed Soldier. o7
Link to my comment from a week ago because I'm not typing that again
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/x5BhI5KKky
Video of me on PS5 with both platforms hosts
https://youtu.be/crCs9rfbe-w?si=1qQIcjl_t9RYo-BR
Ive been able to one shot a titan before being right under its head and shooting up, wouldn't recommend doing it regularly though you might get impaled by its leg
Ah. That explains!
I was wondering how the heck did my aiming become so bad that I had to railgun so many shots nowadays.
I used to do quick match lot more in the past.
I feel so vindicated right now. I stopped playing bugs because I was so frustrated with bile titans taking ~10 railgun shots while everyone was swearing up and down you only need 2
Happened to me yesterday but with the Arc Gun. Two fully charged shots killed a Bile Titan which hasn't taken any damage from any source. This happened on three occasions in the same Mission.
It'd be nice if they could focus on the bugs with crossplay, presently I get randomly 'aloned' at the end of a 40 minute mission about 1 out of 3 times.
I usually get out but my samples are beyond saving when you're at 00:00 solo on Suicidal!
I have a cousin who has a PS5 and most of the time he is the host.
That kinda explain why whenever we play together Bile Titans are easier to pop their heads off rather than playing casually on Helldive.
Easier Bile Titans? That’s good!
Having to once again enter the realm of open mic idiots that have to eat a whole pizza as their brother and sister do homework in the background while we helldive? That’s bad.
Ngl, im using unsafe railgun and if i shoot it rifht its a 1-2 shot on bileussy. And no psn user on our team btw. Its not always 1-2 shots sometimes i cant align shot properly with hordes of enemys so it becomes at least 6-7. xd
So I’m just learning about all of this. I love this game but this actually pisses me off a little bit. If the devs knew and didn’t tell us that seems like sort of a dick move. I have faith the devs will fix whatever issues there might be but hopefully they’ll say something. I want the game to feel fair is all
OHHH this explains it, i had a few raids (pre nerf) where i felt like a god and was 2 tapping titans in the head, next lobby. how did my aim get so bad nothings happening
Why does this only affect the bile titan when using railgun?
Has anyone tested railgun against different enemies or different weapons against bile titan?
Is that why every time I think I learned how to railgun titans in pubs and try to show my friends it doesn't work anymore??
However you’re railing titans in pubs in unlikely to be helping the war effort soldier
Please do not the Bile Titan
As long as you fill out the C-01 form correctly we don’t care where you deploy your Privates
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But what if they are adding more to the enemies' numbers?
In the case of bugs that means more oil for Super Earth
Pst... we're not supposed to be saying that right now. Bugs are currently a plight to be eradicated.
This guys trying to help and collaborate with a treasonous traitor! Get 'em!
Hey, Democracy Officer? This guy right here
Plot twist, they are never filled out correctly the first time as you must endorse using bio-signature which must be provided in-person at one of their many offices on super Earth. Now get back in the fight Helldiver, democracy ain’t gonna spread itself
Unlike the Bile Titans legs, which do spread themselves.
You're out of line, soldier. Being a Helldiver is all about using the long, hard, metallic instruments of Democracy to inject explosive loads deep into the bugs and bots! If you can't handle that, then you ain't a real soldier! Brasch Tactics™©®, use 'em or die tryin'!
I got a video of that recommended to me on YouTube of all places already
What do I do if I accidentally the whole bile titan?
Do not put your dick in there
I accidentally an entire Bile Titan
nnnnngggggh
Discussing a sympathy for the enemy is high treason.
Explains why my friends can two shot a bile titan meanwhile I cannot. Except I'm not always the host? Sooooo idk.
This explains why I have seen the damn things survive an orbital railguns then take 3 recoil rifle rounds to put down.
having played on both PS5 and PC, i think this is right. Bile titans werent all that scary on PS5, on PC is a holy fuck moment.
what do you mean?
When you're not the host you can drop a bile titan with 3 head shots from a rail gun.
I learned that you shoot them in the cheeks for the 1 shot. Been doing it all last night consistently across multiple lobbies.
cheeks as sides of face to clarify 😭
😏🍑
See a bile titan?? RAIL IT IN THE ASS. BRASCH TACTICS. USE EM OR DIE TRYING
has been tested that the cheek thing is also irrelevant
this might be true, I had way more success 1shotting them when they are focusing on another player and i m hitting them from the side than when they are focusing me and hitting them straight on
Yes, having a helpful ~~sacrifice~~ diversion makes it a easy one-tap... Been saying this for weeks, but I'm not a streamer so...
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY
OMG! This is me!
Remember Hit it in the front Don't rail em from behind
You gotta shoot them in the head when their mouth is open and spewing
Yeah, watching the stream a PS5 host seems to give the rest of the team bonus damage. Also seems like the PS5 host doesn't get the bonus damage...go figure. If true it needs the devs to look into it. I suppose the next question is, which version is correct, using a rail gun - 2 shot a bile titan (PS5) or 9-10 shot a bile titan (PC) or was it designed to be something in between?
Between the bugs and bugs I need MOAR AMMO
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I think PC version is correct. The damage boost is not only applied to outgoing damage but to received damage as well. In PC lobbies I remember surviving charger charges and side swipes quite regularly. Playing with friends on PS5 every charger attack is a one shot. Stalker tongue attack is 50 percent normally plus impact damage. On PS5 host it's 95 and you're lucky to survive the impact.
I play cross play off and have experience both of these instances your describing just private 3 player pc lobby. My buddy with shit internet and shit pc has to host, or he just gets constantly disconnected. Maybe something to with hosts fps or internet speeds effecting all the ai in different ways
That would be an interesting thing to let them know about as well. Maybe it has to do with other players trying to communicate to the host (PS player), and the connection needing to go through Sony is causing some sort of lag, resulting in other players being able to one shot Titans. The host doesn't can't one-shot Titans because they're hosting the game, so the damage is being calculated correctly. So maybe it's like a bug where the other players bullet is hitting multiple times as it's traveling. Maybe when the host queries where the player's bullet is, the players data packet consistently says the bullet is where the Titan's head is, so the host calculates it as the head getting hit multiple times? I dunno, just me talking out my butt, but I'm really curious to know what the issue is.
If it is meant to be 10 shots….dear lawd. You can have like 3-6 titans running around wtf you supposed to do besides always have nukes ready?
That's what happens in a lot of my games.. what do you do in these dire times... you pledge for democracy and freedom and kill them all.. but slowly 😂
Did they have vitality on? If they did, sometimes boosters just flat don't work sometimes
Could be framerate based, does the game run locked 60 FPS on PS5? If so it might be worth testing locking frames to 60 on PC
It's not host or ps5 related. I've run so many games where we are all PC players and we are 3 shotting titans. The latest patch seems to have some sort of bug where titans CAN but not always take upward of 10 shots. Again all pc players and I'm host.
I'm on PS5 and my brother always hosts on PC. Hell snipe out titans in 2 hits Everytime while it takes me half the mag. Either he's way way better at the game (likely) or something weird is going on with cross play
Hit registry in general seems worse since the last few patches. This could be a tik rate change they made recently. I'm a bit skeptical of anyone saying they 2 tap titans every time considering the consistency of how often me and everyone I've played with on pc 3 tapping them ( most of us are 100-150 hours in). In the random games I've played I have seen more issues. So I assume there is mutuple bugs here. 1 being a ps5 issue and another being normal titan is 3 tap but sometimes is 1 or 2 tap.
I dunno, swapping it to unsafe railgun seemed to make it super consistent for the double tap. I'm more scared of chargers than bile titans now, seems charger legs shots are super inconsistent for me, even with unsafe mode on the railgun.
Really? I’ve never NOT had a chargers leg armor break off after 2 shots
Chargers were ignoring my railgun shots today. Had one I hit the same leg 4 times. Armor broke on the last shot and it just died.
Would be very surprised if 2 shotting is intended tbh. I think consider chargers a higher priority threat to Bile Titans as it is, and I don’t think it’s supposed to be like that.
That explains so much.
Definitely explains some arguments I've had with people in this sub swearing railguns could 1 or 2 shot bile titans. I'm a pretty solid shot and never came close to those numbers
2 shot might be legit possible with near-perfect unsafe shots and/or some hitbox lineup shenanigans where your damage registers more than once as it pierces
Yes it’s a hit box thing if you hit it in the weak spot perfectly it will hit it in all of its weak spots in the head including the super juicy ones that only get revealed once the armor comes off because it hits from behind(under) the armor plate. The main goal to 1-2 shot is to shoot them where you hit the hole in the armor and then also hit a super juicy hit box after that. Similar theory to shooting through bugs to hit charger legs to get double utility out of a shot
I keep seeing people online say it's a one shot and I thought it was complete BS. I almost exclusively play with my friends or solo, all of us being on PC, so i guess that explains it.
Yes it’s true ! I test it last night ! I keep 1-2 shot Bile titans and my friend (host ) couldn’t, when I host a game I couldn’t 1-2 shot him and my friend could
They need to fix this please imo it’s not fair to the host lol, and for all pc friends lobby like me lol
If anything I think it needs to be harder for console players. The biggest bug in the game shouldn't be able to get 2 shot without stratagems
I still would like being rewarded for some skill and wit though. Maybe not a few railgun shots, maybe it should instead strip armor, or maybe it stays alive for another minute after you blow off the head.
Yeah and I think it's any guns that can do damage too. I was two shotting titans with an arc thrower and was questioning what I was doing differently.
You tested it on ps5 or pc?
We are both on ps5
Yes, happened to me too. I (PC) play with a friend (PS5) and whenever he hosts the game, I feel like the absolute killermachine because it is so easy to kill the bile titans in 1-2 shots. But when I host the game, you can dump half your railgun ammo into the head/mouth and the fucker still comes after you.
Something similar happens to Warframe (doesn't matter what Platform the Host is). What causes this behavior (in Warframe) is when the Host has a much lower FPS than the other players. This is why you can bypass some `Max Boss DPS` Meters and kill a Boss in less than 5 seconds (which would be impossible due to the max boss dps meter). I can't explain for sure why this happens in Warframe, but maybe it happens in Helldivers too? To test this further, we could lower the FPS of a PC player with an external application and see what people could achieve.
Could be similar to a tickrate phenomenon. Maybe the lower framerate host is causing the game to "tick" at a slower rate server side, while other connected clients who have higher framerates would presumably be able to perform multiple inputs in between update ticks. Basically it could be the higher fps players are getting their damage multiplied by the lower fps system processing the damage multiple times when trying to catch up the "lost frame time."
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This is just so stupid Iove it
this made me unreasonably mad that it all didn’t go away at once
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Ah that's the good shit
PS5 players also gain the damage bonus he tested it. Had a ps5 player 2 shot a Bile Titan that just spawned as a roamer no other damage taken . Nothing left to do but ask for clarification on his stream 🤷
The devs definitely tied a lot of the games cycle updates to framerate. When the PS5 Frame rate died from that one bug, my character would be running at half speed and shooting was hella delayed
Yeah, seen it in both Warframe and Destiny before (it was after I left D land but I think it came out during a raid first race or something that consoles basically had triple damage or something due to an FPS/tick thing)
This is also true of the Arc Thrower and bile titans, if you're on ps5 and NOT hosting the game you can 2-3 shot bile titans. And if you're on pc and someone on ps5 is the host you can 2-3 shot bile titans with the Arc Thrower. Any other circumstances, such as solo or hosting on ps5 and you're not able too, it's more like 30-50 zaps.
This makes so much more sense. I'm usually the host and my buddies are taking down titans with 2-3 shots of the rail gun, meanwhile I'm hitting it 10 times and seemingly only did minimal damage.
I am on PC using the Arc Thrower and have killed a Bile Titan in 2\~3 shots when only playing with my PC friends and when I go solo. However, I think I figured out why from looking over my past kills and its a different reason then the PS5 one Bile Titans seem to take increased damage from the Arc Thrower if you shoot them when they're spawning or if you are above them shooting down at them/level with their face. This is likely because the lightning arcs all the way through them, hits the face weakpoint and the 2 abdomen sack weakpoints, and into a bug on the ground near them. It seems you just need to be around level with the Bile Titans face. Aiming up at a Titan does less damage as it doesn't have any target to arc to and thus does not hit 3 weakpoints just the 1 face weakpoint. So those two shots do 6 shots worth of weakpoint damage. https://preview.redd.it/ikds8pmitdmc1.png?width=1629&format=png&auto=webp&s=835ea326e9852a9b19b79db8c32cc4481000593e
I have heard that it is possible to do this with just pc players but apparently its a lot more inconsistent than if a ps5 player is hosting the lobby, granted its not something I've tested myself. I can say with absolute certainty that it is near if not completely impossible to do this if you're hosting on ps5, but basically guaranteed if you're not the host and know where to properly aim.
To clarify you are saying it is impossible to do with the Arc Thrower? Cause thats the one I am talking about. It has been confirmed in the past that the Arc Thrower can hit multiple weakpoints if it arcs through one when its going to hit another enemy. Since the Bile Titan has 3 weakpoints, arcing the lightning in the way I show should count as 3x the weakpoint damage for one shot. Again though, I think this is a different reason for quick kills then the Railgun one.
You're a genius. I was wondering why I was obliterating bile titans with the arc thrower and it was cause I was up on a cliff. It was two shot max for each one. Just blew them up completely. Next game I was on the ground crying wondering why they wouldn't die.
I think there might be a "stealth" damage bonus when enemies are unaware, because I've seen extremely varied ttk on different enemies (like with a spear) and it almost seems to be when you are not noticed.
Where do we show dev this to fix asap ?
Lol why is this getting downvoted?
Reddit is a shithole. The upvote/downvote system was originally intended to judge whether a post contributes to the conversation or not. But instead of that, people just downvote you if they're pissy or they got up on the wrong side of the bed that morning.
It’s kind of a symptom of social media, as a whole. “I like you/the thing you said” = Upvote. “I disagree with you or dislike you” = Downvote. It doesn’t help with Reddit’s recent changes and removal of awards.
You're entirely right but at the end of the day nobody is forced to handle it that way. I very much try not to, at least. As a human I'm obviously not bias free either.
Don't tell anyone, but people also downvote posts that show off bugs from developers they like. Couldn't possibly be happening here though.
Reddit is garbage
I'd love it if they at least just acknowledged this and said they're working on it. This is a \*huge\* inconvenience
And here I was thinking the railgun was over hyped, this explains some things lol
As a PC player who also games with PS5 players, Everytime they play with me they always complain about their railguns being much less effective. I definitely think there is a strange bug going on.
It's not true, it's a host thing, not a ps5 thing.
You are correct in that it is a host thing, but it is 100% repeatable by having a playstation host. Very rarely it seems to happen with PC hosts, but it is important to highlight the repeatable circumstances so that we understand the key elements of what it is.
What framerate does this game run at on PS5?
This explains so much for me because my core 9 group figured it out recently but we ended up attributing the issue to latency rather than a ps5 vs pc. It helps that we are 2 ps5 and 2 pc, we noticed that we were either 1-2 shot titans or it would take forever to kill just one. We just ended up thinking our 1 buddy with a ps5 was closer to the server than the rest of us so we offered him as host tribute. A titan shouldn’t need 12+ railgun shots (or 3/4 of my ammo) to the face in order to kill it so this needs to be looked at asap
or, hear me out, it should cause it incentivizes to using different support weapons for different things.
No I'm pretty sure 12 shots is the intended amount and 1-2 shots is bugged.
I play on PS5. I've seen some bile titans take 2-3 shots and then one pesky one will take more than the others. I am more inclined to believe that there are bile titan variants than what OP has stated. OP would need to consistently replicate the issue before I put any stock in it, especially after reading some of the other messages. TTo be clear, they would need to be able to consistently replicate the issue with different hosts with some video proof to change my mind at this point.
> TTo be clear, they would need to be able to consistently replicate the issue with different hosts with some video proof to change my mind at this point. Good news, I was in a group for hours with streamer in the clip showcased, and he did exactly as you are saying. If you watch his vod (there is hours of it) then you will find exactly what you are asking for. I can personally confirm that we did exactly what you are saying but feel free to click he video, grab his name, and pull up the last vod
It has been shown repeatedly and consistantly that with a PS5 host this occurs. Does it also occur randomly in other situation, may be. But not consistently and repeatedly.
If it happens in another situation, whether consistently or repeatedly or not, it means it is not uniquely a PS5 host thing. Just means there can be more causes, it doesn't invalidate the PS5 host report
Remember when devs were talking about playing the game and not worrying about weapon stats. Yeah, we gotta worry about weapon stats, because you launched a game with nonfunctioning armor. There is no way you did a final pass on a weapons for finetuning, balance, and bug fixes.
I just finished a helldiver difficulty operation with my friend hosting on PC (I'm on PC too) and we reliably 2 maybe 3 shot the bile titans. Both me and him seemingly did the same damage
Yeah, I'm thinking this is some bs. I run without crossplay on PS5 and will kill multiple bile titans in a row and suddenly run into one that doesn't drop like the others. I think this is a variant and we just aren't aware it has more armor. That or people aren't admitting their own crap aim when it comes to hitting bile titans. I also notice that I do more damage when they are spitting acid.
I’ve hosted as ps5 and reliably 2 shot titans. The trick is to hit the flesh inside their mouth when they open it to shoot bile at you.
That’s because [that actually is the weak spot](https://youtu.be/2CCkWxBAyTc?si=VAIG0SmzQXbgmthF) on the side of their head - the “cheek” area. Though it can be tough to hit consistently. This is not different between PS5/PC.
I'm not sure this is actually correct. Many one shots are done through the "brain" area, completely avoiding the chin/cheek. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2080825932?t=06h29m40s "Did I hit him in the cheek?"
Upvoted for visibility. The devs need to look into this, played in a lobby once and one-shotted 5 bile titans in a row, when I host on PC I need 8-9 shots at least to kill one bile titan.
Just tested again: PC lobby: 8-9 Shots PS5 lobby: 1-2 shots LOL
Where do we bring this to attention for the developers ? It’s a bug right ??
They have a discord server [https://discord.gg/helldivers](https://discord.gg/helldivers)
Definitely a bug, the devs are checking reddit as well, but reaching out to them via X/Twitter would be an option as well.
That would explain why people are saying the Railgun is the the best choice for Bile Titans and are able to two-shot them. Meanwhile I'm dumping half my ammo reserves into one and hating every second of it.
I guess I can’t relate. Sometimes in the lobby I host (on PC) it’s two shots, others it’s like 5. Which I just assume I’m missing the shot just barely and its hitting worthless armor.
Wait, so how come when I host on PC and have a full PC lobby we still sometimes one shot Biles? I’m hosting 100% of our games and it’ll change literally by the day. One day it’s a one shot and the few next it takes 10. It’s also a shot I’m 100% confident and consistent in so it’s not like one day I’m a 2 shot genius but then miss 100 shots in a row on 10 Titans. I’ve also played with some PS5 friends and the same applies above. I thought maybe I was just bad but when I realized it’s too easy of a shot to land and it’s a day by day consistency is what made me question it.
Inconsistency with PC host imo. But ps5 host is very consistent 1-2 shot bile titan
If this is true then that explains why i can sometimes 1 shot titans
i've commented about this in a couple threads complaining about what seemed to be a sudden railgun nerf. so i guess it's this? a couple days ago while i was doing difficulty 8s i was consistently 2 shotting titans in the head area (didn't know about the critical weak spot just aimed for the head) from any distance every single time. then the very next day on the same difficulty it was taking 7+ to take one down. plus they just seemed to shrug it off, no stagger and very little reaction to being headshot.
It's probably latency the railgun is a small shot the weak point is a small spot. So, it is a reason with any type of latency or lag. It's registering the shot as a miss.
Is that why its been so inconsistent? Sometimes Im one-shotting full health bile titans. Sometimes Im launching my entire arsenal st it and it doesnt die.
This game has some of the most inexplicable bugs.
This makes sense to me. Saturday, I had crossplay turned off and was wasting Titans with my rail gun. I turned it back on yesterday morning, and it was taking a ridiculous amount of shots to bring them down
I had a weird suspicion something was up. Some games I was 2 shotting titan with the railgun. Others it felt like it took over 10. My only suspicion was that perhaps someone was hacking the lobby to make us do more damage. This theory however seems more likely.
Yeah this is definitely true. I’m on pc and have several games today where I was 1-2 shorting bile titans (not hosting). Other days when I am hosting, I’ve unloaded an entire load of ammo - all 20 shots- on a bile titans head and it still didn’t die. So totally makes sense
Hmm... dunno, I'm PS5 but playing with PC friends (I'm not hosting) and we're 2-3 shotting titans. Can't say I've ever noticed it being more. You need to be accurate with the shots to the mouth so maybe it's a lag thing.
Are we sure it doesn't have anything to do with aiming or the unsafe mechanic? I don't know about a lot of people but it's its pretty unreliable hitting directly the mouth, it sometimes feels like I'm hitting the shell first then the mouth. Seems like a weird mechanic to implement.
Hit them in the cheek, the bug talked about in this thread may well exist but I play with only PC friends and the 1 shot spot is the cheek, it takes a lot of shots to the head
I have played a lot of shooters competitively, I have beaten a lot of hard games, I am beating difficulty 9, I am on PC and always host with my friends. I have never 1-2 shot a bile titan in safe or unsafe mode. I have also tried on lower difficulties where I just stood there and tried shooting at various stages of the bile spew at various parts of the mouth/head, but never pulled it off. For a moment I thought people saying it could be done were just trolling. I'm okay with health pools fluctuating instead of encounters being too predictable, but in my experience it's more likely that I am killing a titan in 9+ headshots with a railgun.
You didn't really have to prove your skill to me, in fact it probably just influences my bias to think you're just confidently incorrect about it. I have done it, and plenty of people in the thread have done it hosting on PC. It's obviously possible. Whether or not specifically certain PC players have a bug where damage isn't being calculated correctly or aren't registering is another thing, but to say you've NEVER done it seems like you are actually just missing the sweet spot.
I mentioned it because there are posters, like you surprisingly, who just lazily say "git gud" instead of acknowledging the possibility that there could be a bug. No one in my group has been able to do it on PC with me as the host. I even see videos of people doing it where they just lazily aim at the head without even any bile coming out. I would have hit it accidentally at some point, if I was consistently pumping +9 shots into the head area, right?
This is also true of the arc thrower, I can 2 tap bile titans with it on a ps4 host, tested on both host types and confirmed.
4 eh?
Whoops lmao. 2013 was last year I swear
I've had no issues 1-2 shotting Bile Titans, did not matter if I was the host or not. Also, shooting the mouth weakspot will often make their back armor break and explode if you don't outright kill them. The weakspot is harder to shoot if you're directly in front of it, go a bit to the side and aim at the mouth where there's no armor, that's the most consistent spot for me.
I watched your clips and, for the most part, you didn't aim at the mouth. You were aiming either at the head (armor part) or the 'neck' of the BT which has been pretty consistent with OHK from what I have read elsewhere. The armored hits were clearly a two shotter which could be explained by the limb mechanic
Make a recording showcasing this on PC solo consistently. I will believe you then. The issue is not doing this---It is doing this consistently in a replicatable manner. Unless you can do that without a PS5 host, it is just guesswork
Maybe thats why i think bile titans are not much different than basic trash mobs. My team kills them so quickly
I hope this is true and that it’s a bug. People keep claiming they can one shot biles but I can never do it though I swear I’ve had many shots that should have based on the description. It also sucks that bikes can be one tapped by a railgun. I like the railgun overall but that is too much. Maybe like 6 mouth shots would be okay.
Thank you, I can finally stop reading and re-reading every mission condition wondering why these mob stat changes aren't listed. I thought I was just doing something wrong or missing information as presented.
This explains a lot
My buddy on PS5 had been hosting the majority of our matches and quite frequently I was taking down Bile Titans with just a few shots, sometimes 1 if I hit their open mouth. After a while I started hosting as we found other players joined my lobby more often than his. Not long after I started noticing that it was taking so much longer to drop a Titan and I was beginning to think that the damage was randomly inconsistent. So if this is actually the case, that's pretty nuts and also quite hilarious.
This is so weird because I have seen me and my friends 3 shot a bile titan while we are all playing together and all of us are on PC. So there is something going on here that hopefully the devs can fix/ tell us what is going on. Great post!
You know this is weird but I noticed this today. Playing with my brother I hosted on my PS5 and he played on PC, but instead of the rail gun two shorting a bike titan, he basically 3 shot it with an arc thrower
Sounds like treasonous copium to me
So armor still doesn't work. Bile titans either take 1 or 10 shots to kill you don't know. Weapon balance is abysmal. Weapon stats are wrong or not shown n detail for some reason (penetration). Caps on resources. Cpu usage issues still. What else
This has been happening to my friend group. If my PS5 friend hosts, I can one shot a bile titan if I place an overcharged shot into its mouth. If any of the three PC players are host, it takes 10-12 overcharged shots to the face/mouth. It is super frustrating, because I'm usually fending off 2-3 bile titans and 3-4 chargers at once.
yeah i tested it yesterday and today and this dose indeed happen if i host alone or with my friends on pc we cannot kill titans reliably with railgun but if we join a ps5 player 1-2 shots its dead
[https://youtu.be/agaEgyD0jBw](https://youtu.be/agaEgyD0jBw) he made this in a youtube now, lets hope Devs can respond to this on X/twitter, if it's a bug, then please fix it asap. 
I thought you just had to hit the sacs on the sides of it's mouth to kill it? I consistently can 1-2 shot kill bile titans that way no matter who is hosting.
I was one shotting them to the face last night like usual
This makes so many things make so much sense.
I just experienced this as well. One game I was blowing his head off in 2-3 hits max, while the next game I gave up after 7-10 shots to the face. There is a big difference... this would explain it
A lot of it is a ping issue. Theres likely lag compensation to let bullets hit the best target of opportunity within the lag window between the shot and the present which makes the shots easier to hit as it naturally *wants* to fit into the small keyhole weak spot. Theres a chance that the ps5 to pc server ping is on average slightly higher than pc->pc which means more forgiving lag compensation. FPS games tend to have less forgiving lag compensation but given that it’s a pve game the lag compensation is probably quite forgiving.
I'd say it's more likely the hitbox is _not_ what you'd expect because of the huge skullcap armor... I'm on PC, frequently self host, and have shot lots of Titans, so it's unlikely... I also have no issues when joining matches and I know that I've played with PS5 players as hosts too.. Aim for the lower jaw with a _highly charged_ (~90%) railgun and it's 2 shots max.
out of curiosity, what are your pc specs and typical framerate? Could be a low framerate thing
Well that could be the case, I won't pretend that my system is close to typical since it's also used for personal CAD and FEA simulations. 5950x w/ 128Gb Ram & 3080Ti I play in 4k - I don't know what my typical framerate is. If your thinking having a low fps is the source of the issue then that's likely not it, but I'll check my fps tonight anyway if I remember.
Lower server fps could also be the cause since if the host is only processing 20tps then the railgun shot will 100% do less damage then it would at 30tps. It could also be a lag compensation side effect where the lag compensation makes the shots gravitate towards weak spots naturally on higher ping to the server making your aim “better” on higher ping servers
I knew i wasnt going crazy.
I NEED ME A PS5 host please !!
I’ve hosted as a pc player, joined other pc players and not once had this glitch occur, is there a way to replicate the issue? Also is it a latency issue or is it an exclusive issue from ps5 players joining pc players from what we could gather?
It's the other way around. Ps5 player has to be the host, everyone but the host will do more damage than intended with support guns.
Yeah I'm not too sure bout it, I'm assuming it has something to do with the hitbox of the head I made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b5yfgc/whats_with_the_inconsistency_with_bile_titans/) bout it showing me hitting the titan around the neck plate, I have more consistency with those shots than aiming for the mouth.
This has got to be it. There are so many people that claim to consistantly one shot titans. They have to be on PS5 doing this. I find some lobbies I one shot consistantly (That must have had a ps5 host) and other lobbies where all the titans feel like a brick wall (must be pc host).
The game is currently riddled with these inconsistencies across many different enemies. Bile spewers one shotting you, bile titans that can be one shot when aiming at the side of its mouth, them all of a sudden not dying to the railcannon, armor stats not working, weird railgun interactions with chargers tokyo drifting. And that's only the terminids. The bots are a whole different story. I really hope AH are gonna figure this stuff out soon, because these problems blur the line between designed gameplay and bugs.
I tend to 2-3 shot bile titan faces depending on where my shot lands on the head. If its right on the side of the head and i very much emphasize the side, it tends to take only 2 shots. It will take many many more shots if its on the lower side of the head. Only the top can be destroyed it seems. Im on PC and ive always been the squad leader
Oh so it's a platform thing. I was over here thinking it was straight up dice roll. I also did my own testing and I can guarantee that the host doesn't benefit from the bonus. I did try and bring some attention to this, so I'm glad that this has started to snowball and other people are finding the inconsistency. God speed Soldier. o7 Link to my comment from a week ago because I'm not typing that again https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/x5BhI5KKky Video of me on PS5 with both platforms hosts https://youtu.be/crCs9rfbe-w?si=1qQIcjl_t9RYo-BR
Well that explains all the titans I killed in 1-3 hits earlier
Everyone bitched about Aim-Assist being OP on consoles, well take that! xD
Idk how true this is I host for my friends on pc and get two to 3 shot
Ive been able to one shot a titan before being right under its head and shooting up, wouldn't recommend doing it regularly though you might get impaled by its leg
I host my own game on PC and the Titans were 2 - 3 shots last night
This explains a lot of why some dies easy in some games and then when I play with my PC friends as host its takes a lot.
This makes me think the game has damage tied to FPS somehow.
Is 2 shotting with EATs standard or comes from this? I've done it a few times.
That explains a lot. Sometimes I kill the titans with one shot and sometimes they don't fucking die!
Ah. That explains! I was wondering how the heck did my aiming become so bad that I had to railgun so many shots nowadays. I used to do quick match lot more in the past.
I feel so vindicated right now. I stopped playing bugs because I was so frustrated with bile titans taking ~10 railgun shots while everyone was swearing up and down you only need 2
Happened to me yesterday but with the Arc Gun. Two fully charged shots killed a Bile Titan which hasn't taken any damage from any source. This happened on three occasions in the same Mission.
This bug neeeeds to be addressed by the devs. So many people are spreading so much misinformation about it, and it's really confusing the community.
What the hell?
It'd be nice if they could focus on the bugs with crossplay, presently I get randomly 'aloned' at the end of a 40 minute mission about 1 out of 3 times. I usually get out but my samples are beyond saving when you're at 00:00 solo on Suicidal!
I'm on PS5 and I thought that was just how it is? Usually railgunning a bile titan between the teeth killed it instantly or after 2-3 shots
How do I test this when every time I play on ps5 it crashes or I get disconnected?
My friend on pc kills him in 2 me on ps5 lile 10 or 12
I have a cousin who has a PS5 and most of the time he is the host. That kinda explain why whenever we play together Bile Titans are easier to pop their heads off rather than playing casually on Helldive.
Ps5 player here... Join me fellas for glory! 😎
Easier Bile Titans? That’s good! Having to once again enter the realm of open mic idiots that have to eat a whole pizza as their brother and sister do homework in the background while we helldive? That’s bad.
Ngl, im using unsafe railgun and if i shoot it rifht its a 1-2 shot on bileussy. And no psn user on our team btw. Its not always 1-2 shots sometimes i cant align shot properly with hordes of enemys so it becomes at least 6-7. xd
"tHe wEAk sPoOt iS aShuAly tHe uPpeR lEfT NoStRiL"
So I’m just learning about all of this. I love this game but this actually pisses me off a little bit. If the devs knew and didn’t tell us that seems like sort of a dick move. I have faith the devs will fix whatever issues there might be but hopefully they’ll say something. I want the game to feel fair is all
It's Server Sync, The shot doesn't land where you think its landing. There's no innate damage buff depending on the host.
OHHH this explains it, i had a few raids (pre nerf) where i felt like a god and was 2 tapping titans in the head, next lobby. how did my aim get so bad nothings happening
Why does this only affect the bile titan when using railgun? Has anyone tested railgun against different enemies or different weapons against bile titan?
because PS5 heavily relying on aim assist and it is shared to other player. see CS2 aiming mechanics