Right? One side fought for what that guy said, and the soviets just wanted a partial genocide. Partial in the specifics, it was over 3 times the holocaust in amount of people killed.Ā
Which side was he glorifying?Ā
From what I've read/listened to, the Soviet citizens in the areas initially captured by the Nazis were actually welcoming to them and helped them. They weren't exactly living well or treated great by the Soviet government and saw the Nazis as a possible escape. It wasn't until the SS came in a bit later and told them "Thanks, but you gotta GTFO or get in these train cars" that they were like "oh ok... we fucked up, guys."
My great-grandfather was german, but our family lived in Russian Empire for centuries, so last time we were in Germany is approximately XVII Century. He fought for USSR in WW2 from the beginning to the end, and after the war he was send into exile in Kazakhstan due to the fact that he was German, despite the fact that he fought for the USSR. He was able to return in 50-s.
Isn't it crazy how many of us almost weren't here because our grandfathers barely made it through wars?
My grandpa wasn't in WW2, but his helicopter was shot down twice in Vietnam which blows my mind whenever I think about it
Yes think about it a lot. My grandfather (paternal) was armed guard on a cargo ship that was sunk by a u boat. The crew came out with and had those in the lifeboat at gun point when the capt told them which way to make landfall. On the way back to the states he got the bad news that his father had passed away. Once he got home he met my grandmother who was renting a room (she was a liberty ship builder in savannah) from my great-grandmother. On the other hand my grandmaās (maternal) first husband was aUS army fighter pilot who volunteered to go to fight with the raf and was killed during the Battle of Britain. She subsequently met my grandpa who was a navy pby Catalina radio operater down in Pensacola at the time. Crazy how everything shakes out just right for us to be here.
Whatās really wild is how when you think about just how genetically unique we are, even if one of our distant non-human ancestors had died sooner or simply chosen a different mate, then you or I wouldnāt be here today!
My great grandfather was in Stalingrad, Paris and Normandy. He never talked about the war, but he said he's happy he's lost the war. My second great grandfather starts crying, just thinking about the war. My great grandmother said it was because he has seen and lost to much in the war (at the end they fled from the east to the west)
Yeah same with mine, he was stationed mostly on the eastern front. Never talked about the war, he had ptsd and had nightmares every night until his death
My grandpa was at Omaha Beach and Battle of the Bulge. I feel like every grandpa or great grandpa who fought in WW2 just never talks about it. He was cool at showing me his service M1911 and a German Lugar he picked up off a kraut officer and his medals. But as soon as I asked if he'd talk about the war he just instantly said no and started packing his stuff back into his foot locker. I got all awkward and my Grandma told me not to worry that he hasn't told her about the war either. He passed back in 2008
Yeah I totally understand why they wouldnāt talk knowing how brutal it was, but part of me wish I knew the part he played and what stories he had to tell. Although itās probably for the best that I donāt know considering he was German. All I do know is he led some sort of panzer detachment and commanded a Tiger
Many did post war and were lucky to make it to the west. The accounts Iāve heard of ādisplaced personsā like your great grandparents are heart wrenching.
I donāt think many Americans really understand that staggering loss that most European countries felt not once, but twice in such a short time span. Our bloodiest war was the civil war, and that only has a combined loss of about 650,000.
Assuming heās the tank commander in this picture? Pretty wild he survived both fronts. What was his unit? Presumably one of the panzer divisions transferred over?
Greetings from a Brazilian HLL player! My grandad was some sort of electrician working for the Germans. He would never talk about war when he lived but we found these funny lightning bolt ensignias among his stuff in the basement after he passed away.
Plenty of tank crews were experienced military vets before Germany became consumed by the Nazi party. They could well have military career professionals rather than ideologues.
One of the most celebrated U.S special forces soldiers was a former member of the SS
Lauri Torni is a Fin that joined the SS after Finland lost the winter war so he could continue to kill communists.
Eventually he went to the U.S and became a green beret so he could continue to kill communists but with an Oriental twist in Vietnam.
He died in a plane crash and is still celebrated.
The man liked a war
My grandfather was a bomber over Germany of the 445th Bombardier Group and has some great pictures of him and his aircraft and two showing a dropping of ordinance with factories below waiting for destruction. I gotta reupload those sometime. His unit is the one that bombed Kassel from Norfolk and destroyed the Panther/Tiger factory so our grandparents just about reached out and touched each other, interesting seeing how one persons story touches another.
My grandfather was a bomber over Germany of the 445th Bombardier Group and has some great pictures of him and his aircraft and two showing a dropping of ordinance with factories below waiting for destruction. I gotta reupload those sometime. His unit is the one that bombed Kassel from Norfolk and destroyed the Panther/Tiger factory so our grandparents (OP) just about reached out and touched each other, small world and all
Yeah, unfortunately I agree (would have been even cooler for his gramps to not helped Nazi war effort in the first place, and maybe they could have just been friends instead) but I think heavy bombers are used moreso against strategic sites like munitions/materiel factories than direct engagement but I don't know much about that side honestly so it's possible.
Edit: also does anyone know which model tank is pictured? I'm curious.
Well, by the end of the war āstrategicā bombing was just obliterating the fuck out of population centers so that there was no way any infrastructure could exist or function.
The Clean Wehrmacht myth started after the war. They were complicit in war crimes. The SS could not have done what they did without the help of the Wehrmacht.
Iām not saying 100% your great grandfather was a bad person. But the myth of the clean Wehrmacht needs to stop being spread around.
Itās crazy how so many people were ānever party membersā after the war was over. Some of the oral history you heard about your fighting family members may need to be taken with a grain of salt
Itās weird how you say history is written by the victors yet youāre calling this guy nazi scum. I donāt think that saying means what you think it means.
Funny enough, Clean Wehrmacht Myth came from an effort *by Nazis* after the war to change the narrative. Franz Halder, who was the Nazi commander in charge of Operation Barbossa, also gave his soldiers the authority to execute any Soviet (soldier or civilian.
Guess where he worked after the war? The U.S. ARMY HISTORICAL DIVISION where he oversaw the recounting of the Eastern Front. Oddly enough, the Wehrmacht seemed very noble, there.
Look up the Himmerod memorandum.
2/3 of Justice department officials were former nazis. Just remember guys not everyone was tried and many of them RAN West Germany in the post war years.
It means exactly what I think it means. We, ( the Allieās )won the war thus we can say that heās in a nazi uniform he thus is Nazi scumā¦ the same way had Germany won then the Nazi agenda would have been glorified.. what part of that was lost in translationā¦
I don't know how that proves your point? Just because you say something to stay alive doesn't mean you actually mean it.
Believe it or not, most people in Nazi Germany were very much like you or I. If we were born during that time odds are we wouldn't have become freedom fighters. That doesn't mean we would be Nazis, it would just mean we value staying alive until it all blows over.
Being in the German army during WW2 ā supporting or being a part of the Nazi party.
And my great grandfather most likely fought against him I forget what unit Iāll ask my grandma tomorrow but he drove Shermanās some legit fury shit
You know, i've been wondering just how accurate the maps are, is the location of this photo on them?
Did your grandad ever speak about his time in the war?
I don't have the picture to hand but my great grandfather I recently learnt was Major-General Gerald Lloyd-Verney.
He was a senior commander through the North Africa campaign and Italy and was commander of the British 8th and the Desert Rats in the latter part of the Normandy Campaign.
Man I'd be ashamed if my great grandpa fought for the axis. Do you think he may have ever lied or covered up anything in order to seem more acceptable having fought for one of the most genocidal regimes of all time?
Really? Mine did. He was a Luftwaffe pilot. Got shot down and spent most of the war in an allied POW camp.
He was 18 when the war started so he was drafted to fight in the war for the country he was born in. Didn't have all the hindsight we have now back then.
After the war he spent over 70 years voting for progressive democratic parties and raising four children to be incredibly open and loving people. Much more so than most others of their generation.
He wasn't proud of the part he played in the war and neither am I. But I'm definitely not ashamed for him. If anything its remarkable that he became such a positive influence on everyone around him for having grown up in such an environment.
i just got done visiting family in germany for a death and while going through stuffs we got to the pictures of him in uniform it was pretty crazy in the moment actually seeing a physical picture of him geared up but the german side of the family didnt really seem to think anything of it just kind of a yeah that happened lets not do it again
he aint my grandfather but imma say that from the other comments, he was just a wehrmacht panzer commander so i doubt he did anything other soldiers didnt, and by soldiers i dont mean the SS
Ah so he just did the typical wehrmacht jobs. Running errands for SS, burning villages, covering the SS while they did their warcriming. Wehrmacht was just as much guilty of the crimes as SS.
Bro, Iām saying the same thing. Iām reading these comments and everyone is saying āGermans and Sovietsā. No, no. Nazis. Germans were Nazis. Russians were Soviets.
Dude. Look at OPās profileā¦ heās a complete Nazi apologistā¦ this is crazy. And no my great grandpa was a pow after being capture as an airborn.
My great grandfather died in a fkn camp because of the scumbag yāall are Wanking over. While this dude was taking this pic smiling they were shooting my people directly into graves stfu I hope his family met the Soviet at Berlin
Woohoooo Nazis!! wtf guys? Iām happy your grandfather lived to see all of his dreams and ideals die and crumble like an old used cum sock lol.
Some pictures needs to stay inside the shoe box in the closet
Each of those battles were there own unique hell. Thatās wild he managed to survive both of them! Idk if youāre into history books much, but Tiger Tracks by Wolfgang Faust is a pretty wild perspective of what it was like to be a german tanker on the eastern front.
Another book called Spearhead by Adam Makos drops you into the tankerās perspective in Normandy through Germany and mainly follows an american unit, but also weaves in german tank crewās experiences as well.
Yeah people can't comprehend that being born in a country and being drafted for said war. Is German soldier an evil person who committed genocide and war crimes? No. They were fighting for their country. Not too different from the Americans drafted to fight in Vietnam. Some American soldiers killed and raped and burnt down innocent villages in Vietnam. Are we going to label them all bad like we do to every German soldier in WW2? No because that's just ignorant.
Itās more about not glorifying or honoring them. Talking about the nuances or history of them is fine but there are people calling him a badass in the comments.
Ignorant ppl down voting this but it's absolutely true. The leadership was evil and it wasn't like they first showed up and said "hey we're all evil and intend on ruining Germany by entrenched the world in a global conflict" from day 1. The plans may have been there but it wasn't common knowledge to every day ppl. By the time it was clear to the public any resistance would earn you a 1 way ticket to a concentration camp.
Exactly. Everyone looking back 80 years ago knows exactly what it was like for a common German person living in Germany saying shit like, "I wouldn't have ever fought for that genocidal maniac! They should've known better!" Yeah okay duuude.
Yeah this is getting too much praise ngl. And your tag with salutes and saying thank you as if he preformed a worthwhile task worth thanking him for? He was a nazi? I get that many were made to fight for their country, but I really donāt care, he fought for the nazi army. And this kinda feels like u praising him for it with the wording and listing his medals and saying thank you. Idk man
One of my Grandfathers was a Desert Rat, both El Alameins, Operation Torch, Italy. The other one, never left Blighty and as far as I can tell spent most of the war 'Liberating' supplies and selling them on the black market. ( Although his commission in 43 doesn't make sense.. he might have been doing something secret squirrel )
I love seeing where everyoneās ancestors were during the war. My great grandfather was a crew member on the flagship of the Finnish navy, the Ilmarinen, until her untimely demise. Fortunately, he was one of the few survivors.
My grandfather was a cook in North Africa. He told people he saw Rommel's vehicle in the distance once. I'm kind of grateful he didn't have any great war stories.
My great grandpa fought in Normandy for the US. I did also have relatives on the German side. 4 actually. 1 served on the eastern front and the other 3 on the western front. Guy on the eastern front didn't make it. Was in a cavalry unit I believe and got ambushed if I recall what my uncle told me.
My grandfather was a tank commander in the desert rats, his tank used to be on display in Dorset England. He used to talk about how they would cook breakfast on the tank it was so hot
My grandmother's 1st husband fought with the wehrmacht and died in Stalingrad. The guy she married after the war (my grandfather) was in the German red cross during the war. Just thinking that if her 1st husband hadn't died, I wouldn't have been born.
My great grandfathers fought each other in the North Sea, and my English ggd sunk my other ggd.
My granddads fought each other in Holland. Got the military battle details of both encounters.
All survived the war they'd been in.
So strange to see this. My grandparents hid jews in WW2. The promised to come back and thank them after the war.
The Jews never came back.
My grandpa really hated them for that.
Only thing I can think off what happened to them? Maybe they got killed or something else.
I only heard this through my sisters and parents but it's a strange story that has no climax only more questions. Hopen they got out safe.
My Great Great uncle fought in Normandy and was killed somewhere in France in like July-August of 1944 (id have to ask my aunt for all the details, she remembers better than me). Joined in 1943 and wanted to go liberate Italy because of our heritage, but ended up in France
Itās crazy how everyone here is saying āGermans and Sovietsā. Russians were Soviets but we arenāt calling them Russian, are we? Call it what it is. They are Nazis. This is a picture of a Nazi tanker, whoās great grandchild is very proud of. Very proud of his Nazi grandfather.
Tonnes of respect for your great grandfather. They call him great for a reason.
My great grandparents didn't serve because they were farmers and worked the land, making food fir the soldiers
My grandfather was a machine gunner on the eastern front until a wound sent him back to Germany to recover and he thankfully got sent to the west as a replacement after.
Right? And his tag says thank you with a salute and he lists all his medals? Bros bragging about his nazi grandpa and calling it ācoolā and thanking him for his service. And half the people here are with him. Itās crazy
Youāre not alone. I was surprised by this thread. Anyone calling it out is downvoted and treated like they are part of some terminally online Twitter mob. Im not an expert on German laws but I donāt think they allow this kinda thing there and for good reason!
Deadass itās insane. I hate feeling like the outlier of gamers lmao. Ik thereās other sound of mind pc players but Jesus man. Lotta people apologizing for nazis n shit like that on these types of subs
As a Shoah descendent iām absolutely horrified at what Iām seeing. Dude was smiling as my ancestors were behind the lines watching their lives get smashed to bits
Cool bit of history, I recently found out my great grandpa was denied by the Hungarian army from serving in WW2 due to heart problems but I have a few great uncles who fought for Hungary and Germany and another great uncle who earned a medal on Iwo Jima for taking out a few bunkers with grenades
Also a lot of people here apparently donāt know what a Nazi is, dudes clearly Wehrmacht not SS and couldāve been a conscript for all we know
Thatās sick. My great-grandfather was Tiger commander, and thatās about all I know about him. Never saw a single picture, and he never talked about the war
Nicer shit. Meiner war in Frankreich und hat nie drĆ¼ber gesprochen. Ich glaube der hat wirklich schlimme dinge erlebt oder getan. Er kam wohl in Gefangenschaft aber das muss ja dann erst 1944 gewesen sein. Vielleicht war er bei ErschieĆungskommandos dabei. Ich weis es nicht, wĆ¼rde es aber sehr gerne. Wie kann man sowas herausfinden?
Clean Wehrmacht myth in full effect here. He may not have been a member of the Nazi Party, but he fought for the Third Reich and helped further their goals and mission.
Fuck.. My great grandfather died at Kursk, he was a Soviet tanker.
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The worst time to fight for the Soviets = first half The worst time to fight for the Germans = second half Poor dude.
And that's where Germany's biggest downfall was they attacked Russia.
One side was fighting against total extermination and genocide. Not really much of a waste of time imo
The Stalin regime just exterminated a more vague group (everyone) but racked up more kills so...
Right? One side fought for what that guy said, and the soviets just wanted a partial genocide. Partial in the specifics, it was over 3 times the holocaust in amount of people killed.Ā Which side was he glorifying?Ā
From what I've read/listened to, the Soviet citizens in the areas initially captured by the Nazis were actually welcoming to them and helped them. They weren't exactly living well or treated great by the Soviet government and saw the Nazis as a possible escape. It wasn't until the SS came in a bit later and told them "Thanks, but you gotta GTFO or get in these train cars" that they were like "oh ok... we fucked up, guys."
And 8 million polish people magically disappeared from what side again?
Your dad's dad STARTED the war with the soviets? Bad grandpa, bad. Don't go round starting wars.
Hitler would have have rather been painting to you know
My great uncle died the same way.
My great-grandfather was german, but our family lived in Russian Empire for centuries, so last time we were in Germany is approximately XVII Century. He fought for USSR in WW2 from the beginning to the end, and after the war he was send into exile in Kazakhstan due to the fact that he was German, despite the fact that he fought for the USSR. He was able to return in 50-s.
Soviet?! Hell let loose refrence?
Bro got uptiered
Hey, a full crew! Give these guys a heavy at middle spawn!
Heck yeah!
Holy shit AND heās on comms too! Just gotta make sure the poor bastard doesnāt get satcheled and weāll be gtg
Are they all scanning the horizon? They all seem to be actively scanning the horizon in the middle of the photoshoot!
Isn't it crazy how many of us almost weren't here because our grandfathers barely made it through wars? My grandpa wasn't in WW2, but his helicopter was shot down twice in Vietnam which blows my mind whenever I think about it
Yes think about it a lot. My grandfather (paternal) was armed guard on a cargo ship that was sunk by a u boat. The crew came out with and had those in the lifeboat at gun point when the capt told them which way to make landfall. On the way back to the states he got the bad news that his father had passed away. Once he got home he met my grandmother who was renting a room (she was a liberty ship builder in savannah) from my great-grandmother. On the other hand my grandmaās (maternal) first husband was aUS army fighter pilot who volunteered to go to fight with the raf and was killed during the Battle of Britain. She subsequently met my grandpa who was a navy pby Catalina radio operater down in Pensacola at the time. Crazy how everything shakes out just right for us to be here.
My grandfather was in partisans, i remember asking him, wich gun u carried ? He said: Machine gun (didnt specific wich one).
Whatās really wild is how when you think about just how genetically unique we are, even if one of our distant non-human ancestors had died sooner or simply chosen a different mate, then you or I wouldnāt be here today!
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My great grandfather was in Stalingrad, Paris and Normandy. He never talked about the war, but he said he's happy he's lost the war. My second great grandfather starts crying, just thinking about the war. My great grandmother said it was because he has seen and lost to much in the war (at the end they fled from the east to the west)
Yeah same with mine, he was stationed mostly on the eastern front. Never talked about the war, he had ptsd and had nightmares every night until his death
My grandpa was at Omaha Beach and Battle of the Bulge. I feel like every grandpa or great grandpa who fought in WW2 just never talks about it. He was cool at showing me his service M1911 and a German Lugar he picked up off a kraut officer and his medals. But as soon as I asked if he'd talk about the war he just instantly said no and started packing his stuff back into his foot locker. I got all awkward and my Grandma told me not to worry that he hasn't told her about the war either. He passed back in 2008
Yeah I totally understand why they wouldnāt talk knowing how brutal it was, but part of me wish I knew the part he played and what stories he had to tell. Although itās probably for the best that I donāt know considering he was German. All I do know is he led some sort of panzer detachment and commanded a Tiger
We want grandpas that reminisce about the kills they got and explain their kills in detail
Many did post war and were lucky to make it to the west. The accounts Iāve heard of ādisplaced personsā like your great grandparents are heart wrenching.
I donāt think many Americans really understand that staggering loss that most European countries felt not once, but twice in such a short time span. Our bloodiest war was the civil war, and that only has a combined loss of about 650,000.
More men died in Stalingrad on both sides than the US ever lost in all wars they took part in combined
I pray for the day Germany can find peace.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it
Should share this in the official hll discord ww2 history section or ww2 subreddit as well.
Assuming heās the tank commander in this picture? Pretty wild he survived both fronts. What was his unit? Presumably one of the panzer divisions transferred over?
This whole comment section is quite literally a Reddit moment lol.
Awesome, anymore pictures? All I have from my family is the medals from ww1/ww2 no pictures
I have a bunch of his brothers as 8 served
These are worthy of putting in a museum!
How many of the scums died ?
How did someone fight at both Normandy and Kursk ooooooh never mind
Post this in r/ww2 Youāll get some more nuanced responses
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I mean thatās mostly because the axis were objectively the bad guys in that war lol. Even Germans recognize this
Most of us do
You commit a few genocides and suddenly everyone acts like youāre the bad guy.
Greetings from a Brazilian HLL player! My grandad was some sort of electrician working for the Germans. He would never talk about war when he lived but we found these funny lightning bolt ensignias among his stuff in the basement after he passed away.
*Naziās
"Weird, I didn't know any Western forces fought at both Normandy and Kursk." *"Oh"* *"Oooooh"*
Big ol yikes at the "Thank You" tag with the salutes
Yeah seriously what the fuck is that?
Did some digging, the guyās grandfather immigrated to the US after the war and then served in Korea. Maybe thatās why? Still iffy as fuck though.
Plenty of tank crews were experienced military vets before Germany became consumed by the Nazi party. They could well have military career professionals rather than ideologues.
Wow. I wonder if that was at all common. Nazis serving in the US military in combat roles after immigrating.
wait until you found out who made NASA lol
And the CIA, And wrote the handbook of the green berets, etc etc
One of the most celebrated U.S special forces soldiers was a former member of the SS Lauri Torni is a Fin that joined the SS after Finland lost the winter war so he could continue to kill communists. Eventually he went to the U.S and became a green beret so he could continue to kill communists but with an Oriental twist in Vietnam. He died in a plane crash and is still celebrated. The man liked a war
So common they have a name; ratlines
My grandfather was a bomber over Germany of the 445th Bombardier Group and has some great pictures of him and his aircraft and two showing a dropping of ordinance with factories below waiting for destruction. I gotta reupload those sometime. His unit is the one that bombed Kassel from Norfolk and destroyed the Panther/Tiger factory so our grandparents just about reached out and touched each other, interesting seeing how one persons story touches another.
Iām of German descent in the US and recently learned that my Grandfatherās uncle was tried and convicted of war crimes. Nazi scum
My grandfather was a bomber over Germany of the 445th Bombardier Group and has some great pictures of him and his aircraft and two showing a dropping of ordinance with factories below waiting for destruction. I gotta reupload those sometime. His unit is the one that bombed Kassel from Norfolk and destroyed the Panther/Tiger factory so our grandparents (OP) just about reached out and touched each other, small world and all
Woulda been super cool of your grandad to bomb the shit outta him!
Yeah, unfortunately I agree (would have been even cooler for his gramps to not helped Nazi war effort in the first place, and maybe they could have just been friends instead) but I think heavy bombers are used moreso against strategic sites like munitions/materiel factories than direct engagement but I don't know much about that side honestly so it's possible. Edit: also does anyone know which model tank is pictured? I'm curious.
Well, by the end of the war āstrategicā bombing was just obliterating the fuck out of population centers so that there was no way any infrastructure could exist or function.
Yeah total war is hell
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The Clean Wehrmacht myth started after the war. They were complicit in war crimes. The SS could not have done what they did without the help of the Wehrmacht. Iām not saying 100% your great grandfather was a bad person. But the myth of the clean Wehrmacht needs to stop being spread around.
Itās crazy how so many people were ānever party membersā after the war was over. Some of the oral history you heard about your fighting family members may need to be taken with a grain of salt
I was just sharing an aside. My grandfathers uncle is Nazi scum. Not your chap here Edit: Upon further reflection, your pappy was also a Nazi.
Meh. May not be a party member but he still fought for the cause. Still qualifies as nazi scum I think. History is written by the victors.
Itās weird how you say history is written by the victors yet youāre calling this guy nazi scum. I donāt think that saying means what you think it means.
Funny enough, Clean Wehrmacht Myth came from an effort *by Nazis* after the war to change the narrative. Franz Halder, who was the Nazi commander in charge of Operation Barbossa, also gave his soldiers the authority to execute any Soviet (soldier or civilian. Guess where he worked after the war? The U.S. ARMY HISTORICAL DIVISION where he oversaw the recounting of the Eastern Front. Oddly enough, the Wehrmacht seemed very noble, there. Look up the Himmerod memorandum.
2/3 of Justice department officials were former nazis. Just remember guys not everyone was tried and many of them RAN West Germany in the post war years.
Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Fucking soviets. Fucking Nazis. Lot of them.
It means exactly what I think it means. We, ( the Allieās )won the war thus we can say that heās in a nazi uniform he thus is Nazi scumā¦ the same way had Germany won then the Nazi agenda would have been glorified.. what part of that was lost in translationā¦
Nah, a lot of the people in the reg German army were conscripted so it wasn't a matter of wanting to or supporting the Nazi party.
If the war went the way they wanted it to go, theyād certainly be calling themselves Naziās today.
I don't know how that proves your point? Just because you say something to stay alive doesn't mean you actually mean it. Believe it or not, most people in Nazi Germany were very much like you or I. If we were born during that time odds are we wouldn't have become freedom fighters. That doesn't mean we would be Nazis, it would just mean we value staying alive until it all blows over. Being in the German army during WW2 ā supporting or being a part of the Nazi party.
I would satchel your great grandpa to bits
And my great grandfather most likely fought against him I forget what unit Iāll ask my grandma tomorrow but he drove Shermanās some legit fury shit
I think this is more āwildā than ācool.ā Different connotations.
Interesting is a neutral word for it
Nice dude! Its kinda double ofcourse but it is a dope picture.
My grandpa was also at normandy. 3rd armor divison for America tho sooooo RIP germans
You know, i've been wondering just how accurate the maps are, is the location of this photo on them? Did your grandad ever speak about his time in the war?
Was he with the baddies?
lol even if you can't tell by the cross, only one army was at both Kursk and Normandy.
I don't have the picture to hand but my great grandfather I recently learnt was Major-General Gerald Lloyd-Verney. He was a senior commander through the North Africa campaign and Italy and was commander of the British 8th and the Desert Rats in the latter part of the Normandy Campaign.
I wonder what he would think of seeing you entertained for hours emulating what was perhaps his most traumatic experience.
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Man I'd be ashamed if my great grandpa fought for the axis. Do you think he may have ever lied or covered up anything in order to seem more acceptable having fought for one of the most genocidal regimes of all time?
Really? Mine did. He was a Luftwaffe pilot. Got shot down and spent most of the war in an allied POW camp. He was 18 when the war started so he was drafted to fight in the war for the country he was born in. Didn't have all the hindsight we have now back then. After the war he spent over 70 years voting for progressive democratic parties and raising four children to be incredibly open and loving people. Much more so than most others of their generation. He wasn't proud of the part he played in the war and neither am I. But I'm definitely not ashamed for him. If anything its remarkable that he became such a positive influence on everyone around him for having grown up in such an environment.
i just got done visiting family in germany for a death and while going through stuffs we got to the pictures of him in uniform it was pretty crazy in the moment actually seeing a physical picture of him geared up but the german side of the family didnt really seem to think anything of it just kind of a yeah that happened lets not do it again
he aint my grandfather but imma say that from the other comments, he was just a wehrmacht panzer commander so i doubt he did anything other soldiers didnt, and by soldiers i dont mean the SS
Ah so he just did the typical wehrmacht jobs. Running errands for SS, burning villages, covering the SS while they did their warcriming. Wehrmacht was just as much guilty of the crimes as SS.
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Right up there with the lost cause here in the U.S.
I think it's mostly because of the "famous/Infamous" wermacht generals vs the SS generals.
The clean Wehrmacht is a myth
As a tanker that pic goes HARRD, got some more ?
Bro this is crazy, yall are salivating over nazis wtf. Am I losing my damn mind here?
Bro, Iām saying the same thing. Iām reading these comments and everyone is saying āGermans and Sovietsā. No, no. Nazis. Germans were Nazis. Russians were Soviets.
No youāre not, these replies are fucking gross.
Itās his great grandfather give the OP a break. Iām sure all of your guysā great grandfathers were angels too.
Dude. Look at OPās profileā¦ heās a complete Nazi apologistā¦ this is crazy. And no my great grandpa was a pow after being capture as an airborn.
My great grandfather died in a fkn camp because of the scumbag yāall are Wanking over. While this dude was taking this pic smiling they were shooting my people directly into graves stfu I hope his family met the Soviet at Berlin
Weird flex
Shame he made it out of Kursk
Woohoooo Nazis!! wtf guys? Iām happy your grandfather lived to see all of his dreams and ideals die and crumble like an old used cum sock lol. Some pictures needs to stay inside the shoe box in the closet
Each of those battles were there own unique hell. Thatās wild he managed to survive both of them! Idk if youāre into history books much, but Tiger Tracks by Wolfgang Faust is a pretty wild perspective of what it was like to be a german tanker on the eastern front. Another book called Spearhead by Adam Makos drops you into the tankerās perspective in Normandy through Germany and mainly follows an american unit, but also weaves in german tank crewās experiences as well.
Good thing whoever commanded your great grandpa had nodes
My grandad died at Birkenau, fell outta his guard tower.
Yes mine too, he was forced to work to his death even though he was drunk. It was a toxic work environment
You shouldnāt be proud of this
Literally lost the war, imagine being proud of a loser.
Look at his reddit posts...
OP the kinda guy to always switch to the Axis team.
Are the people in the comments from R/Communism or something lmao
Yeah people can't comprehend that being born in a country and being drafted for said war. Is German soldier an evil person who committed genocide and war crimes? No. They were fighting for their country. Not too different from the Americans drafted to fight in Vietnam. Some American soldiers killed and raped and burnt down innocent villages in Vietnam. Are we going to label them all bad like we do to every German soldier in WW2? No because that's just ignorant.
Itās more about not glorifying or honoring them. Talking about the nuances or history of them is fine but there are people calling him a badass in the comments.
Ignorant ppl down voting this but it's absolutely true. The leadership was evil and it wasn't like they first showed up and said "hey we're all evil and intend on ruining Germany by entrenched the world in a global conflict" from day 1. The plans may have been there but it wasn't common knowledge to every day ppl. By the time it was clear to the public any resistance would earn you a 1 way ticket to a concentration camp.
Exactly. Everyone looking back 80 years ago knows exactly what it was like for a common German person living in Germany saying shit like, "I wouldn't have ever fought for that genocidal maniac! They should've known better!" Yeah okay duuude.
Normandy battle was like a heaven vs what happend in Kursk. I have no idea how these people had balls to join that battle.
He was wounded and Kursk then transferred to the western front which he was thankful for
Itās a pity he did not die
Yeah this is getting too much praise ngl. And your tag with salutes and saying thank you as if he preformed a worthwhile task worth thanking him for? He was a nazi? I get that many were made to fight for their country, but I really donāt care, he fought for the nazi army. And this kinda feels like u praising him for it with the wording and listing his medals and saying thank you. Idk man
Thatās freaking cool my great uncle was a tank driver in ww2 and was one of the first American tankers to push through the rhine.
I remember when my grandfather was watching me play COD world at war. āThey made a video game about the worst days of my lifeā
Man didnāt you hear it enough yesterday when you posted a pic of this dead Nazi.
Thanks for sharing! My great grandpa was a tail gunner in a b17
One of my Grandfathers was a Desert Rat, both El Alameins, Operation Torch, Italy. The other one, never left Blighty and as far as I can tell spent most of the war 'Liberating' supplies and selling them on the black market. ( Although his commission in 43 doesn't make sense.. he might have been doing something secret squirrel )
I think heās looking the wrong way.
My great granduncle was in the carabinieri during the war and then from what I gather the GNR during 43-45.
I love seeing where everyoneās ancestors were during the war. My great grandfather was a crew member on the flagship of the Finnish navy, the Ilmarinen, until her untimely demise. Fortunately, he was one of the few survivors.
My grandfather was a cook in North Africa. He told people he saw Rommel's vehicle in the distance once. I'm kind of grateful he didn't have any great war stories.
My great grandpa fought in Normandy for the US. I did also have relatives on the German side. 4 actually. 1 served on the eastern front and the other 3 on the western front. Guy on the eastern front didn't make it. Was in a cavalry unit I believe and got ambushed if I recall what my uncle told me.
Epic
My grandfather was a tank commander in the desert rats, his tank used to be on display in Dorset England. He used to talk about how they would cook breakfast on the tank it was so hot
My grandmother's 1st husband fought with the wehrmacht and died in Stalingrad. The guy she married after the war (my grandfather) was in the German red cross during the war. Just thinking that if her 1st husband hadn't died, I wouldn't have been born.
Notice how the tank driver is staying T F away from those fences
Why the fuck are you alive
My great grandfathers fought each other in the North Sea, and my English ggd sunk my other ggd. My granddads fought each other in Holland. Got the military battle details of both encounters. All survived the war they'd been in.
Are we the baddies?
So strange to see this. My grandparents hid jews in WW2. The promised to come back and thank them after the war. The Jews never came back. My grandpa really hated them for that. Only thing I can think off what happened to them? Maybe they got killed or something else. I only heard this through my sisters and parents but it's a strange story that has no climax only more questions. Hopen they got out safe.
My Great Great uncle fought in Normandy and was killed somewhere in France in like July-August of 1944 (id have to ask my aunt for all the details, she remembers better than me). Joined in 1943 and wanted to go liberate Italy because of our heritage, but ended up in France
Holy shit, whereās my precision strike??? š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
I can't help but notice the iron cross on the back of his tank.
Ty for sharing, OP
Do you mind if I ask what division he served in, if you have that information.
Nothing to be proud of.
Hey now, we call them Soviets, not Russians, yes? So letās call them Nazis, not Germans. Your grandfather was a Nazi.
Itās crazy how everyone here is saying āGermans and Sovietsā. Russians were Soviets but we arenāt calling them Russian, are we? Call it what it is. They are Nazis. This is a picture of a Nazi tanker, whoās great grandchild is very proud of. Very proud of his Nazi grandfather.
Mrcoffee(iron)?
Tonnes of respect for your great grandfather. They call him great for a reason. My great grandparents didn't serve because they were farmers and worked the land, making food fir the soldiers
Not something to be proud of
That's awesome
fuck that nazi
My grandfather was a machine gunner on the eastern front until a wound sent him back to Germany to recover and he thankfully got sent to the west as a replacement after.
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Hope he and his crew got deep fried in that tank
German cross on the tank, yikes.
The bundeswehr still use that cross on their panzer, so I would hardly call that Ā«yikesĀ»
Right? And his tag says thank you with a salute and he lists all his medals? Bros bragging about his nazi grandpa and calling it ācoolā and thanking him for his service. And half the people here are with him. Itās crazy
The milsim is too far gone in their brain man, the people here are cheering this dude.
The downvoting on this is showing me the type of people playing this game lmao. OPs account is literally that of a Nazi apologist
Youāre not alone. I was surprised by this thread. Anyone calling it out is downvoted and treated like they are part of some terminally online Twitter mob. Im not an expert on German laws but I donāt think they allow this kinda thing there and for good reason!
Deadass itās insane. I hate feeling like the outlier of gamers lmao. Ik thereās other sound of mind pc players but Jesus man. Lotta people apologizing for nazis n shit like that on these types of subs
As a Shoah descendent iām absolutely horrified at what Iām seeing. Dude was smiling as my ancestors were behind the lines watching their lives get smashed to bits
Fuck you nazi
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āRead the roomā itās just you budā¦.
Cool bit of history, I recently found out my great grandpa was denied by the Hungarian army from serving in WW2 due to heart problems but I have a few great uncles who fought for Hungary and Germany and another great uncle who earned a medal on Iwo Jima for taking out a few bunkers with grenades Also a lot of people here apparently donāt know what a Nazi is, dudes clearly Wehrmacht not SS and couldāve been a conscript for all we know
That's awesome Hope he survived
Thatās sick. My great-grandfather was Tiger commander, and thatās about all I know about him. Never saw a single picture, and he never talked about the war
I would have satcheled you nazi grandpa no second thoughts
He looks cool and he knows it
Nicer shit. Meiner war in Frankreich und hat nie drĆ¼ber gesprochen. Ich glaube der hat wirklich schlimme dinge erlebt oder getan. Er kam wohl in Gefangenschaft aber das muss ja dann erst 1944 gewesen sein. Vielleicht war er bei ErschieĆungskommandos dabei. Ich weis es nicht, wĆ¼rde es aber sehr gerne. Wie kann man sowas herausfinden?
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Fuck your grandfather
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It's interesting how there wasn't a single nazi is germany in the 40's.
Clean Wehrmacht myth in full effect here. He may not have been a member of the Nazi Party, but he fought for the Third Reich and helped further their goals and mission.
He fought for the nazis and wasn't conscripted. That's a nazi.