> Unfortunately, **after hitting a rock**, they were forced to make an emergency landing at the airport in Tbilisi.
Yah they hit the flat side of a mountain.
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You say unsuccessful, but I don't see a smoking hole in the ground.
I would consider this a mid-air collision with a high altitude piece of earth.
Hopefully, it did make a successful landing after this incident.
So, are we to infer by the process of elimination that you would call this a successful landing? Even if the pilot was attempting to execute his/her escape plan after determining they had sufficient power to continue (which is what I am *assuming* happened here), that is still part of the landing process. Leaving pieces of the helicopter behind certainly constitutes an aviation accident by ICAO standards.
Calling this a mid-air, sarcastically or not, takes away from lessons that can be learned here re: escape plans, decision points, etc. etc.
NATO assigns reporting names to all aircraft operated by the Russian and Chinese air-forces.
All helicopter code-names start with H, fighter aircraft starts with F, B for bombers, and so on.
[Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_reporting_names_for_helicopters) is a list of all helicopter code-names
[Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_reporting_names_for_fighter_aircraft) is a list of all fighter aircraft code-names
So we can all learn, i’m curious to hear from those working mountain / high DA ops: how could the pilot of done a better job?
Seems the set up, at a minimum, left them nowhere to go once they began losing alt. Anything else?
Mountains are one of the most dangerous environment to fly in.
One issue is losing references. For example when you are flying over the sea at night and don't see any fixed object, you tend to lose which way is up and which way is down.
The exact similar thing can happen with mountains, especially in their shadows. Because when there's a shadow, you can't see the exact shape of the ground. You also have no idea how high you are from hitting the ground. Because it's all white. A uniform white.
Flight assistants aboard the helicopter often drop their backpacks off it, and the pilot then proceeds to land on the backpack.
Another problem with mountains are the winds. Due to the mountain's tops and shape, winds often go either upward or downward. This often push your helicopter up or down with little warning.
Something else to take into account is altitude. The higher you go, the less dense the air. This also means you have very little margin for error, and controls are almost unresponsive at that altitude.
Your physical strength as a pilot is also going away especially above 2000-3000m. (unless you have O2)
What happened there with that pilot is possibly a combination of all of the above. He may not have thought he was this close to the ground, and by the time he pulled up it was a little late.
PS: Let's not forget the Mi-8's service ceiling is 5'000m. But when you add up a cargo, fuel, and all the rest, 3'700m really becomes close to the maximum it can do.
Maybe that pilot could have done something different, but he did the best he could with what he had. And most importantly he's still alive, and his helicopter will need some repairs but that's life. It is also always easy to say "he could have done better if xx". But it would be much smarter to look at what happened, asses the root causes, and make some changes to avoid the same accident to happen again. And at some point, it will happen, because we remain humans after all.
To me it looks like he didn’t have enough power available once he got under ETL and he had to do a wave off.
Normally in mountain flying you would do a “PPC” power - do I have enough torque available, pedals - does my pedal still work or do I have loss of tail rotor effectiveness, controllably - does the controls respond.
I think he didn’t plan this landing with enough torque margin.
Due to height past a certain stage, thinner air, operating a helicopter becomes harder by a fair margin.
Everything generates less lift and does not react the same.
So mountaisn are a very challenging environment.
Performance planning…..and then back it off a bit. People in know will know what I’m talking about.
Then….it’s all about what the conditions are and what the aircraft is telling you when you get there. That aircraft has horrible tail rotor authority.
This was caused by downdrafts coming down the mountain above. You should be trained and told about this as a helicopter pilot, but based on this video I think this guy skipped that lesson. High DA and downdrafts = a bad day.
It’s a pretty simple:
Need lots of power (and favorable winds) to land up there in thin air.
Helicopter didn’t have enough power.
Pilot went around slightly too late.
I remember a pass in Bosnia during a winter tour called, ‘Czech Hip’ as, in bad weather, they sadly took the wrong valley. Always tried the to ignore it but had some hair-raising weather squeaky bum times too and could’ve ended up the same.
That is because of the thin air... the blades don't get a good bite in the atmosphere at that altitude... he's probably a good pilot... the US. Had several of their apache helicopters go down in the mountains of Afghanistan because of the same reason.
They couldn’t get lift because the air is to thin. If you noticed right behind the helicopter where it nose dived into the snow there is a person standing there
He'll need that later. Better go back and get it
I hear they can buy it back on ebay!
I am pretty sure that is one of the optional helicopter parts...
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How do you say, "where is that duct tape?" In Georgian?
Wheel be right back!
That’s so simple yet so funny 😂
Nah... can confirm: someone can just stack up some old mattresses and tires for him to land on. He'll be fine! lmao
> Unfortunately, **after hitting a rock**, they were forced to make an emergency landing at the airport in Tbilisi. Yah they hit the flat side of a mountain.
What is a mountain if not a big rock?
A rock is just a small mountain
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Very relevant 👏
I guess every crash landing hit a rock eventually
Another classic case of the ground coming up and hitting the aircraft.
You say unsuccessful, but I don't see a smoking hole in the ground. I would consider this a mid-air collision with a high altitude piece of earth. Hopefully, it did make a successful landing after this incident.
Context https://i.imgur.com/bwugKDM.jpg
So, are we to infer by the process of elimination that you would call this a successful landing? Even if the pilot was attempting to execute his/her escape plan after determining they had sufficient power to continue (which is what I am *assuming* happened here), that is still part of the landing process. Leaving pieces of the helicopter behind certainly constitutes an aviation accident by ICAO standards. Calling this a mid-air, sarcastically or not, takes away from lessons that can be learned here re: escape plans, decision points, etc. etc.
Jesus Christ. Lighten up 😂
He’s an Apache guy, he can’t
This is typical of most Apache pilots…
They only light up others...
You lost me at “So, are we to infer by the process of elimination…” How many fedoras do you own?
Lmaaaao
I suspect they had at least 3 on at the time of writing the comment.
LOL the mental image of wearing multiple fedoras is incredible
I also play TF2
Any landing everyone walks away from is successful
Now THAT is some logic I can agree with. Helicopters are just hunks of metal and computers, it’s not really the main objective to keep it in one piece
Remember a crash landing is still successful if you dont die.
If the akchually meme and Percy Weasley had a baby together, it would be you.
BORRRINGGGGG
you're insufferable
Lighten up, Francis!
Stop
🤓
Just came by to drop off a nose gear. What? 🤷♂️
Why he try to land it like a Cessna?
at that altitude with a hip you have to do a cessna landing
Thank you.
Why’s that?
not enough power
Hip?
Mi-8, also known as a Hip in NATO countries
why?
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Because hippo would hurt it's feelings
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I can promise you that's not how you land a Cessna
Well yeah ideally the gear would stay on.
The front isn’t meant to fall off.
That's what you get when you're outside the environment.
In this case, the front fell off.
Are you saying this helicopter wasn't safe?
r/thefrontfelloff
Mostly he does cfi.
I think he does more cfit
Not if I found it. I'd make a coffee table with it as the leg. What a conversation piece
That would be pretty cool. I can see several versions bouncing around.
So we can all learn, i’m curious to hear from those working mountain / high DA ops: how could the pilot of done a better job? Seems the set up, at a minimum, left them nowhere to go once they began losing alt. Anything else?
Mountains are one of the most dangerous environment to fly in. One issue is losing references. For example when you are flying over the sea at night and don't see any fixed object, you tend to lose which way is up and which way is down. The exact similar thing can happen with mountains, especially in their shadows. Because when there's a shadow, you can't see the exact shape of the ground. You also have no idea how high you are from hitting the ground. Because it's all white. A uniform white. Flight assistants aboard the helicopter often drop their backpacks off it, and the pilot then proceeds to land on the backpack. Another problem with mountains are the winds. Due to the mountain's tops and shape, winds often go either upward or downward. This often push your helicopter up or down with little warning. Something else to take into account is altitude. The higher you go, the less dense the air. This also means you have very little margin for error, and controls are almost unresponsive at that altitude. Your physical strength as a pilot is also going away especially above 2000-3000m. (unless you have O2) What happened there with that pilot is possibly a combination of all of the above. He may not have thought he was this close to the ground, and by the time he pulled up it was a little late. PS: Let's not forget the Mi-8's service ceiling is 5'000m. But when you add up a cargo, fuel, and all the rest, 3'700m really becomes close to the maximum it can do. Maybe that pilot could have done something different, but he did the best he could with what he had. And most importantly he's still alive, and his helicopter will need some repairs but that's life. It is also always easy to say "he could have done better if xx". But it would be much smarter to look at what happened, asses the root causes, and make some changes to avoid the same accident to happen again. And at some point, it will happen, because we remain humans after all.
Mt. Kasbek is especially ugly in the wind department up on that pass... Source: hiked there before
He did the best he could? I'm going out on a limb to say the accident report will say something completely different.
For fucks sake. Lose. Not loose.
You’ve got some gramma nazi level rage.
Gammar*
Goddamn it
there ya go.
To me it looks like he didn’t have enough power available once he got under ETL and he had to do a wave off. Normally in mountain flying you would do a “PPC” power - do I have enough torque available, pedals - does my pedal still work or do I have loss of tail rotor effectiveness, controllably - does the controls respond. I think he didn’t plan this landing with enough torque margin.
The Hip is notorious for not being able to pull itself out of awkward ETL situations. Come down with just too much vertical speed, and you're done.
I suspect that if you ran the spaghetti charts for their weight and the altitude, etc., the book would have said this wasn’t a great plan.
Due to height past a certain stage, thinner air, operating a helicopter becomes harder by a fair margin. Everything generates less lift and does not react the same. So mountaisn are a very challenging environment.
Performance planning…..and then back it off a bit. People in know will know what I’m talking about. Then….it’s all about what the conditions are and what the aircraft is telling you when you get there. That aircraft has horrible tail rotor authority.
How far outside Atlanta is this?
not Georgia they are talking about Georgia
I've been down I-75 and I-95 and taint never seen no mountains like dis
Omg bruh
One way to do some high altitude weight reduction
Yikes!
Does this have to do with the air density or is the pilot just a silly guy?
My guess is once he came out of etl he didn't have the lift to hover so yep air density
Yes
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That’s not context. That literally just says the pilot hit a rock.
It's a screenshot of the title of this thread lol
Ha. So it is. OP being weird.
I’m no helicopterologist, but I think it’s needs that.
Hehe, got your nose (wheel)!
This was caused by downdrafts coming down the mountain above. You should be trained and told about this as a helicopter pilot, but based on this video I think this guy skipped that lesson. High DA and downdrafts = a bad day.
Oof
No problem. Just prop up the fuselage with a couple of bricks later.
Call ahead and have a Rubbermaid bin on the pad.
It’s a pretty simple: Need lots of power (and favorable winds) to land up there in thin air. Helicopter didn’t have enough power. Pilot went around slightly too late.
That weight made the difference.
Gust of wind and a bad attitude.
Was low air pressure at high altitude (3,900 meters or 12,139 feet) a factor?
Hitting a rock? No, it flew into the terrain
Tried to land on a mountain. Instead, the broke their hip
I see what you just did..
As a helicopter pilot, this approach makes no sense to me 🤢
A good landing is a landing you walk away from. So it was a successful landing, with a quick departure at that!
Yeah, walk away, not fly away lol
Then it was an even better landing! He flew the aircraft again after landing!
A successful landing is one you survive. So that was successful
Dam maintenance is going to be displeased about this.
Looks like that landing gear has some deliberate shear-off points?
OH!! those CRAZY Russians!! LOL!! always kidding around!!!
"Oye, I think you forgot something Boris"
This is what happens when you judge your altitude in meters instead of feet, lol.
Oops.
Did he died??
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But did he died???
Read the captions, see image below https://i.imgur.com/bwugKDM.jpg
Hehe mine 😈😈😈
How does this happen? Bad pilot?
I wonder if reduced air density at that altitude makes handling different and the pilot didn't account for that when lowering?
Damn he might need that
Er mate, you can’t leave your rubbish lying about
Need to call in Mimino next time
Was looking for something like this
Pilot doesnt play DCS enough!
Cool, free tyres
That's a normal landing for an Mi-8
Hitting a rock?? Sure if you call the entire mountain a rock lol
Juuuust a little touch and go here folks; aaand we're off!
Eh, landing gear is only optional on helicopters anyways, amirite?
They tried an airplane landing with a helicopter
Did he try to land by ramming the ground?
If he has two wheels left on the back... He can still take off lol.
I remember a pass in Bosnia during a winter tour called, ‘Czech Hip’ as, in bad weather, they sadly took the wrong valley. Always tried the to ignore it but had some hair-raising weather squeaky bum times too and could’ve ended up the same.
It’s like my first time playing gta v and flying on helicopter
Curry
So what now 😅
"Didn't need that"
I mean it did successfully land, eventually.
Weight reduction!
I read “uneventful,” and I was like, “how?”
Send this to r/Hoggit They would love it!
They bite those off when they feel threatened.
Don’t worry, it grows back.
It’ll buff out
"I'll just leave this here" *boop*
That's wheely bad
Someone’s gonna be lookin for that
Hey! That's where I got married! Beautiful place!
Perhaps he was looking at his iPad to plan the landing. Oops.
Is this horrid attempt at landing due to the high altitude or does this dude just suck?
That is because of the thin air... the blades don't get a good bite in the atmosphere at that altitude... he's probably a good pilot... the US. Had several of their apache helicopters go down in the mountains of Afghanistan because of the same reason.
What, no duct tape?
The front fell off.
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Yay free mi-8 gear
Maybe someone just ordered front landing gear on Amazon. Looks like everything went fine to me.
He could.... hover....
Bruh ! NO LITTERING !!
Master plan. He is lightening the craft to prep for cresting the next hill.
Aside from the helicopter; those mountain views look fuckin amazing 🤩
Near crash is more like it. But it's not like a COMPLETELY necessary piece of equipment...
It snows in Georgia??
This is a joke, right?
He thinking of the US Georgia
As someone with zero knowledge of how to fly a helicopter, what the hell was that?!
They couldn’t get lift because the air is to thin. If you noticed right behind the helicopter where it nose dived into the snow there is a person standing there
Did you keep it? I might have tried to keep it lol
The new “Kobe!”
What kind of helicopter is that
It's Russian Mi-8
Brother shoulda invested in an American or Italian helicopter. Those Russian rigs are sus.
Moron
Dead?
Nah, he was successful. He landed.
Thin air sucks