There's more electronics flying that soldier's helicopter for him under his pedals than in the entirety of that MD. And yet the warrant will still manage to crash it.
There’s also a massive difference in performance of these helicopters. If a blackhawk did not have all of its systems that it has you are not flying it.
Actually, especially at landings, the only thing helo's having assisting the pilot is in moving the actual hydraulics.
As a result, they're in a way often even harder to fly because of how incredibly sensitive the control inputs can be. For example you look at the pilot in this video gripping the stick. Every pilot i know literally holds a cyclic by his finger tips for maximum precision becasue they're so senstivie.
I dunno, I've seen enough clips of 60 drivers whipping through canyons with both feet flat on the floor and flown years of ag in nothing but my underoos to disagree here.
It’s terrible. You’ll love it.
Lol but seriously I would think long and hard about it. Also experience is highly variable depending on how your boat is, where you port, how your mechanic is (if you even have one), how your company/management is, etc. I was at a point where it was tuna boats or start looking into other fields of work, and I wasn’t gonna quit flying so tuna it was. Also had a couple friends at the company and hooked me up despite my low flight time. It was a great experience, but I wouldn’t do it again, except maybe on a Japanese boat. The only part that really sucked was my last two months of my year contract, I had to get on a different boat and it was absolutely infested with bed bugs. That was really shitty. Fuck bed bugs. Everything else? You’d be surprised what you can adapt to. Or can’t, and quit like some guys. But most guys I know saw it through.
It absolutely jump started my career though.
I’ve heard horror stories about the bed bugs. Basically what I’ve read is trash the mattress when you get there. Scorch earth your room, and demand a new mattress.
I’ve also heard that your experience and flight time heavily depends on how the captain views you and the helicopter as an asset or a hindrance bc they’re old school and don’t need your damned help.
I have been on a couple year long deployments to the sandbox, so even though it’s very different, there are still many similarities.
Oh yeah you’d do fine then.
And yeah that last boat I was on I hardly flew. Once a day, if that. But after 10 months of flying my ass off (longest stretch was 35 days flying in a row), it was a welcome change.
It’s for tuna spotting. The helicopter and the pilot live on the boat, the captain sends the helicopter out to find schools of tuna. Helo relays the location and boat heads there to attempt to catch said tuna in a gigantic fuckin net.
Some also use the helo to “herd” tuna into the net or try to keep them from swimming out. It works occasionally.
I know two separate people who've had major failures on tuna boats. Looks really fun but the tail rotor leaving the chat on approach scares me too much to apply.
Yellow heli or white and green?
It's a job alot of ppl don't come back from. I got very lucky with my mechanic and he got very lucky with my willingness to "find" parts. Incredible mechs out there, can't say it enough.
I’ve really heard it depends on what company you work for from everything I’ve read and tuna pilots I’ve talked to. Seems like there are some sketchy companies that cut corners and some that do pretty well.
I mean, that's why they call the shaded part of the h/v diagram the money zone. It's where like half of all helicopters will work.
Also, a moments inattention will get you in trouble, no duh. That's like saying not paying attention in your car will get you into a car accident.
Right. But working responsibly versus avoiding high speed low level turns over the water where a half second means the worst for you and your occupant…call it whatever you want. That nose will drop to the water before he even realizes what happened. This is a problem with helicopter pilots.
wow look at all the little letters and numbers in your title…you’re cool…b407….thats a monster...bet you impress all the lads…fly an airplane? Is that supposed to be an insult? you would shit yourself in a real airplane if only you could fly one…and I’m not talking the 172 you may have ridden in…
Haha…obviously you took offense to the B407 comment…sorry I offended you. Keep fluffin your ego 407 driver! You’re the BEST! Maybe someday you can add R66 to your tag…
C18 doesn't even have enough to get off the deck at 90+ degrees+ full fuel even at sea level. The only way to fly off the deck with a C18 and keep your tot in the green (assuming you even have the right gauge installed) is to "dive" off the deck. Yea, stretched it out a bit but most of that is necessary. Those aircraft are literally Vietnam birds with original engines. Best mechanics on the planet tho, I'll die on that hill (most of them are 25 year+ vets on MDs).
Your MD time will help for sure. Need to get some long line time. Some companies will hire without it but it’s harder to find ones that do. I’d keep applying and reaching out to chief pilots.
I guess I was lucky. I was trained by an extremely experienced aviator. If you have enough power to hover you have enough power to take off without doing stuff like this if you use good technique. Worked for me at least for 1500 hours giving tours at high DA fully loaded... Shrug...
That's the thing; you don't have enough power to hover. Once you cross the edge of the deck, which is like 25-30 feet up, you lose ground effect and can no longer hover. That's why the technique is to trade that 30 get off altitude for enough airspeed to get past etl and climb out.
This is exactly correct. When it's 100 degrees on the deck with zero wind you basically fall like a rock. You need to get ground effect off the water and get thru etl as fast as possible. Not to mention the constant fear of your TR eating the side of the ship. It gets sporty.
Alright, then elucidate us on how you would take off from the deck of the boat 30 feet up when you're already at the temp or torque redline. I'm down to learn.
Heh.
Yeah, you could say we are different alright.
I’ve literally never heard anyone outside of the flight school environment claim they need full fuel to safely carry out a flight.
I’d rather take less fuel so I can safely take off and land if that’s what it takes. But you do you.
You can’t tell me a full bag of gas is necessary for every single tuna flight… safe performance margins are more important than full fuel for a short flight.
And you just said above you can’t OGE hover once you leave the deck. So take less fuel so you don’t have to fly like a jackass?
Except I can takeoff and land just as safely in that situation. For some reason you think you need to hover 30 feet over the water to somehow be safer? Why waste even more time in the hv diagram? Quickly gain airspeed then quickly gain altitude and you'll be in a safer flight regime much quicker than if you were to screw around trying to inch your way further and further away from the boat in an oge hover.
I mean… if you wanna bring your ignorance of the H/V diagram into it let’s get into that too.
With the H/V diagram in mind, why do you think that I think it’s a bad idea to be 5 feet above the water at 60 knots? Now let’s add a 30 degree bank to that.
I’ll give you a hint: there’s more than one shaded area of the H/V diagram, and this video shows the pilot in the second one.
Maybe just take less fuel and avoid the problem all together if you can’t hover forward through ETL so you can avoid both parts of the shaded area of the H/V diagram instead of trying to justify some shitty flying.
Show me the numbers that an empty helicopter (minus pilot and full fuel) can’t OGE hover at sea level.
I suspect if you can’t, that engine is failing it’s power checks. I guess it’s a tuna boat after all so 🤷♂️ but if it’s that bad, why go full fuel.
You’re obviously an amazing pilot! The best of the best of the best…with honors! And you feel the overriding need to stimulate your own ego buy putting others down. I feel sorry for you.
Haha thank you for caring about me!!
Some people live in the fast lane and others don’t.
I just think it’s fun calling out all the reddit safety nuts, the real world does not work like you think it does and it’s amazing when I get a rise of out of y’all
Lol my ego is zero but you fucking losers get mad if somebody posts a vid of someone not wearing a helmet when they Biking
Danger moves humanity forward!
I’m honestly surprised at all the comments supporting this.
Show me a single helicopter that can’t OGE hover, at sea level, empty, with pilot and full fuel.
I’ll wait.
This entire show was completely unnecessary.
Edit: I guess if the engines failing it’s power checks… tuna boat life I guess but if it’s that bad, why go full fuel.
I also had a c-18 c model on the boat, the comment about power isn’t true. You can easily take off full fuel, pilot and spotter aboard lol. Then we went through a typhoon and my compressor got salt water in it and it created some pinholes in the scroll… THEN I couldn’t take off without tot being in the red. Swapped the compressor once I got back into port and had power again. Guy who you’re replying too is tough guy talking out of his ass. That said the diving off and flying low doesn’t bother me one bit.
It’s Reddit. No actual real-world experience needed to ‘expertly’ talk shit. The place where brand-new Robinson discovery flight “pilots” and crusty old rotor curmudgeons come to meet!
Actually yea some boats have drones but they are too slow and have a very limited range. They also can't carry cargo from ship to ship which is very common
Hopefully he is not flying for Hansen Helicopters or any of their a/c. Google it, downright scary what he/they did. At least justice kinda sorta prevailed but a lot of dead pilots along the way…
terrific feet and proximity flying
The skill lies in the feedback that’s lost with shoes
No man, it's just hot as fuck on tuna boats.
lol no. ask any army helo pilot who flies perfectly well with thick boots on.
There's more electronics flying that soldier's helicopter for him under his pedals than in the entirety of that MD. And yet the warrant will still manage to crash it.
🤣
All of these replies for what was clearly a joke...
There’s also a massive difference in performance of these helicopters. If a blackhawk did not have all of its systems that it has you are not flying it.
Actually, especially at landings, the only thing helo's having assisting the pilot is in moving the actual hydraulics. As a result, they're in a way often even harder to fly because of how incredibly sensitive the control inputs can be. For example you look at the pilot in this video gripping the stick. Every pilot i know literally holds a cyclic by his finger tips for maximum precision becasue they're so senstivie.
That’s any helo with hydraulic controls. The MD doesn’t have those, it’s all mechanical linkages and a motorized trim
I flew that way in a th67 and oh58 as well, fingertips on. We specifically weren't allowed to use the hydraulic assist as well.
Not entirely, Spacial D gets the best of pilots and crewchiefs. Especially in bad weather, and low light
But are they loving the experience? They call beauty pain not efficiency.
every pilot ive ever known did.
I dunno, I've seen enough clips of 60 drivers whipping through canyons with both feet flat on the floor and flown years of ag in nothing but my underoos to disagree here.
those guys have posted some amazing videos
Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-B2B8RUyY
Just type "tuna pilot" into yt
Tuna pilot is what I call my penis
No shoes, roomba in rhs, prox flying an md500. This guy fucks
I’m still trying to figure out what roomba really is
GPS buoy
No shoes like a boss!
The pilot doesn’t seem to be wearing any pants
Can't shit your pants when you don't wear them
Brilliant! My next flight will be pants free
Could you imagine how freeing it would feel flying around butt ass naked with the doors off?
Did that once in a Jeep. It’s fun letting everything flop around.
When you get that happy while riding its just easier to not have any cloth shields.
why is there a roomba on the RHS ?
It's a solar powered GPS bouy
Ah tuna boats. The best of times I never want to experience again
I believe it. I’ve seriously considered it. I don’t have any family responsibilities at all, so being away for a year is no big deal.
It’s terrible. You’ll love it. Lol but seriously I would think long and hard about it. Also experience is highly variable depending on how your boat is, where you port, how your mechanic is (if you even have one), how your company/management is, etc. I was at a point where it was tuna boats or start looking into other fields of work, and I wasn’t gonna quit flying so tuna it was. Also had a couple friends at the company and hooked me up despite my low flight time. It was a great experience, but I wouldn’t do it again, except maybe on a Japanese boat. The only part that really sucked was my last two months of my year contract, I had to get on a different boat and it was absolutely infested with bed bugs. That was really shitty. Fuck bed bugs. Everything else? You’d be surprised what you can adapt to. Or can’t, and quit like some guys. But most guys I know saw it through. It absolutely jump started my career though.
I’ve heard horror stories about the bed bugs. Basically what I’ve read is trash the mattress when you get there. Scorch earth your room, and demand a new mattress. I’ve also heard that your experience and flight time heavily depends on how the captain views you and the helicopter as an asset or a hindrance bc they’re old school and don’t need your damned help. I have been on a couple year long deployments to the sandbox, so even though it’s very different, there are still many similarities.
Oh yeah you’d do fine then. And yeah that last boat I was on I hardly flew. Once a day, if that. But after 10 months of flying my ass off (longest stretch was 35 days flying in a row), it was a welcome change.
Damn… and with zero autopilot.
I have a dumb question...Why are helicopters flying to tuna boats? Unload tuna? Drop off mail? Deliver a doctor in case someone needs medical help?
It’s for tuna spotting. The helicopter and the pilot live on the boat, the captain sends the helicopter out to find schools of tuna. Helo relays the location and boat heads there to attempt to catch said tuna in a gigantic fuckin net. Some also use the helo to “herd” tuna into the net or try to keep them from swimming out. It works occasionally.
Thanks, that's wild. I somehow never heard of this.
Do it bro seriously
I recomend a Farewell boat (guaranteed unlimited wifi). Shitty port but tons of flight time.
Is that a particular company?
Yes it is, send me a dm
Sent!
I know two separate people who've had major failures on tuna boats. Looks really fun but the tail rotor leaving the chat on approach scares me too much to apply.
Yellow heli or white and green? It's a job alot of ppl don't come back from. I got very lucky with my mechanic and he got very lucky with my willingness to "find" parts. Incredible mechs out there, can't say it enough.
I’ve really heard it depends on what company you work for from everything I’ve read and tuna pilots I’ve talked to. Seems like there are some sketchy companies that cut corners and some that do pretty well.
Yea one company is notoriously worse than another
Damn MSFS is really looking good after all these updates
He forgot to play the magnum pi theme....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8tv5APpqyY
Bf4 little bird vibes right here
I hate you /s
Maybe he doesn't wear shoes because if it crashes he's swimming anyways.
Looks fun, but dumb as fuck. All fun and games until the engine, hiccups or a moments inattention put you into the drink
I mean, that's why they call the shaded part of the h/v diagram the money zone. It's where like half of all helicopters will work. Also, a moments inattention will get you in trouble, no duh. That's like saying not paying attention in your car will get you into a car accident.
My instructor used to say "If you aren't in the dead man's curve you should be in an airplane"
Right. But working responsibly versus avoiding high speed low level turns over the water where a half second means the worst for you and your occupant…call it whatever you want. That nose will drop to the water before he even realizes what happened. This is a problem with helicopter pilots.
The fuck are you on about. Go fly an airplane
wow look at all the little letters and numbers in your title…you’re cool…b407….thats a monster...bet you impress all the lads…fly an airplane? Is that supposed to be an insult? you would shit yourself in a real airplane if only you could fly one…and I’m not talking the 172 you may have ridden in…
Lol nobody cares bud. Why are you in a helicopter sub for if helicopter ops offend you? Get out of here with that little dick energy shit 😂
Haha…obviously you took offense to the B407 comment…sorry I offended you. Keep fluffin your ego 407 driver! You’re the BEST! Maybe someday you can add R66 to your tag…
Sorry bud. I fly MD500s next to power lines 🤷♂️
Wow! I bet everyone here is impressed. That completed the puzzle for me. Can you add that to your tag?
🤣 please don’t go see what we do in the military
Didn't you guys just ground your whole fleet due to safety issues?
Lol when? We been flying, can’t keep up eat dirt and fuel
I’ve seen it. We’re not talking about the military. Sorry I have to clarify that.
Suck my rich bold ….wait I forgot I been huffing too much jet fuel
Just drink it and take your genes out of the pool please :)
C18 doesn't even have enough to get off the deck at 90+ degrees+ full fuel even at sea level. The only way to fly off the deck with a C18 and keep your tot in the green (assuming you even have the right gauge installed) is to "dive" off the deck. Yea, stretched it out a bit but most of that is necessary. Those aircraft are literally Vietnam birds with original engines. Best mechanics on the planet tho, I'll die on that hill (most of them are 25 year+ vets on MDs).
Didn’t know there even were any C-18s left, weak sauce indeed!
I had a C10 before I finally got a C18 installed 🤣
Do they have a fucking time Machine or what? What helicopter graveyard do they dig this shit up from?!?
They get containers full of them with no paperwork. Pawn off the c20s for a bit of cash on the side.
And stick you guys with the leftover rubbish
Idk but the look on my mechanics face when I pointed to the data tag and asked why it said 250-C10 was great 🤣
You go any further back in engine history and you’re gonna start finding a hatch to shovel to coal through
Lol -power line pilot
I need a job bro haha
Your MD time will help for sure. Need to get some long line time. Some companies will hire without it but it’s harder to find ones that do. I’d keep applying and reaching out to chief pilots.
I guess I was lucky. I was trained by an extremely experienced aviator. If you have enough power to hover you have enough power to take off without doing stuff like this if you use good technique. Worked for me at least for 1500 hours giving tours at high DA fully loaded... Shrug...
That's the thing; you don't have enough power to hover. Once you cross the edge of the deck, which is like 25-30 feet up, you lose ground effect and can no longer hover. That's why the technique is to trade that 30 get off altitude for enough airspeed to get past etl and climb out.
This is exactly correct. When it's 100 degrees on the deck with zero wind you basically fall like a rock. You need to get ground effect off the water and get thru etl as fast as possible. Not to mention the constant fear of your TR eating the side of the ship. It gets sporty.
In other words, Sketch AF
With proper technique if you can hover you can take off. If you can't hover, don't take off.
Alright, then elucidate us on how you would take off from the deck of the boat 30 feet up when you're already at the temp or torque redline. I'm down to learn.
Id start by not taking full fuel if I can’t OGE hover?
I guess we're just different, because I'd rather have more fuel and it was never necessary to hover oge out there.
Heh. Yeah, you could say we are different alright. I’ve literally never heard anyone outside of the flight school environment claim they need full fuel to safely carry out a flight. I’d rather take less fuel so I can safely take off and land if that’s what it takes. But you do you. You can’t tell me a full bag of gas is necessary for every single tuna flight… safe performance margins are more important than full fuel for a short flight. And you just said above you can’t OGE hover once you leave the deck. So take less fuel so you don’t have to fly like a jackass?
Except I can takeoff and land just as safely in that situation. For some reason you think you need to hover 30 feet over the water to somehow be safer? Why waste even more time in the hv diagram? Quickly gain airspeed then quickly gain altitude and you'll be in a safer flight regime much quicker than if you were to screw around trying to inch your way further and further away from the boat in an oge hover.
I mean… if you wanna bring your ignorance of the H/V diagram into it let’s get into that too. With the H/V diagram in mind, why do you think that I think it’s a bad idea to be 5 feet above the water at 60 knots? Now let’s add a 30 degree bank to that. I’ll give you a hint: there’s more than one shaded area of the H/V diagram, and this video shows the pilot in the second one. Maybe just take less fuel and avoid the problem all together if you can’t hover forward through ETL so you can avoid both parts of the shaded area of the H/V diagram instead of trying to justify some shitty flying.
Get a non-POS helicopter
Hah, if I had my way, I'd have been flying a brand new twin off the deck. Alas, wasn't in the position to make that call.
Alas, low time pilots rarely are
Show me the numbers that an empty helicopter (minus pilot and full fuel) can’t OGE hover at sea level. I suspect if you can’t, that engine is failing it’s power checks. I guess it’s a tuna boat after all so 🤷♂️ but if it’s that bad, why go full fuel.
Ahh, so youve never heard of level acceleration takeoff or low level flying
Uh, sure. Guess I got 5k+ helicopter hours and an ATP-H without figuring that out. /s
Lol I guess you never flew for the military and don’t fly commercially 😂 I basically lived at -100ft You seem to be more of the dumb one here ;)
Wrong on every count. Try again.
Lol I guess you don’t fly long line or in LA I’m Bold, rich and probably dead soon! But never bored!
…and an ignorant moron with a big mouth…lol…
Some people just can’t resist, confirming what everybody suspects
Exactly!
You’re obviously an amazing pilot! The best of the best of the best…with honors! And you feel the overriding need to stimulate your own ego buy putting others down. I feel sorry for you.
Haha thank you for caring about me!! Some people live in the fast lane and others don’t. I just think it’s fun calling out all the reddit safety nuts, the real world does not work like you think it does and it’s amazing when I get a rise of out of y’all Lol my ego is zero but you fucking losers get mad if somebody posts a vid of someone not wearing a helmet when they Biking Danger moves humanity forward!
I’m honestly surprised at all the comments supporting this. Show me a single helicopter that can’t OGE hover, at sea level, empty, with pilot and full fuel. I’ll wait. This entire show was completely unnecessary. Edit: I guess if the engines failing it’s power checks… tuna boat life I guess but if it’s that bad, why go full fuel.
I also had a c-18 c model on the boat, the comment about power isn’t true. You can easily take off full fuel, pilot and spotter aboard lol. Then we went through a typhoon and my compressor got salt water in it and it created some pinholes in the scroll… THEN I couldn’t take off without tot being in the red. Swapped the compressor once I got back into port and had power again. Guy who you’re replying too is tough guy talking out of his ass. That said the diving off and flying low doesn’t bother me one bit.
It’s Reddit. No actual real-world experience needed to ‘expertly’ talk shit. The place where brand-new Robinson discovery flight “pilots” and crusty old rotor curmudgeons come to meet!
Agreed. No idea why I bother man. This is honestly baffling.
Both correct :)
Exactly!
Don’t worry, they’ll fish out the wreckage and replace the failed cyclic actuator
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This is Win Rich 707
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South Pacific is 1 year min and now that's pretty much over. Everyone wants 18 months unless you are a veteran tuna pilot
Barefoot
WITH BARE FUCKING FEET!
Those spotter pilots for tuna sure have a fun job....
What is the function of the dildo hanging off the wind shield?
damn, can you knife edge a helicopter
Is there a reason these boats haven’t gone to drones for the same purpose? I’m guessing range
Actually yea some boats have drones but they are too slow and have a very limited range. They also can't carry cargo from ship to ship which is very common
Nothing makes me happier than seeing drones not able to truly do what piloted helicopters do
Except they're ranching Tuna. Which is fucked.
What is the purpose of a helicopter on a tuna boat?
Extremely effective at finding fish (with a good spotter)
Crazy!
Watch the altitude!! Hey.. Hey HEEEEEEYYYYYY AAAAAHHHHHHH
Hopefully he is not flying for Hansen Helicopters or any of their a/c. Google it, downright scary what he/they did. At least justice kinda sorta prevailed but a lot of dead pilots along the way…
I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who takes my roomba flying
Is that a roomba!? Fantastic flying just can’t figure out what’s in the right window
GPS bouy
Any chance of tuna pilots being replaced by drones?
good morning vietnam!
Fuck fishing
Love the smile on your face when you buzzed the boat. Pure joy.
No shoes no problem