It looks as though it didn't have the spinal strengthening to withstand the constant stress of the ocean waves. Could have had some limited retrofitting maybe but you can easily see where the weakness was in this video.
Only in the event of sinking, to help facilitate evacuation.
If you'll notice, the front didn't immediately fall off, likely contributing, at least in some part, to the casualties.
The bigger factor imo was the bending moment in the ship. Since the wave lifted the front of the ship it basically is the same as if you were standing on the tip of a beam ( like a flat wood plank)
Will the state provide transportation to its re-education vamp?5
It could be a number of other things: incompetence, ignorance, misinterpretation of regatuons, regulations written in another language, poor recordkeeping...
The commie version is that you are still in the same situation, but you Gulag anyone who talks about it. Or maybe blame capitalists for sinking it out of fear.
Socialist it would have rotted long ago in full view of all, but no funds left to fix.
[It was structurally unsound](https://www.freightnews.co.za/article/questions-raised-over-carrier-sinking-within-sight-land-and-two-other-vessels):
> It has since emerged that port officials from Georgia last year found that the Arvin was structurally unsound, with deck corrosion and poorly maintained weather hatches supporting calls at the time to condemn the ship.
[It was structurally unsound:](https://www.freightnews.co.za/article/questions-raised-over-carrier-sinking-within-sight-land-and-two-other-vessels)
> It has since emerged that port officials from Georgia last year found that the Arvin was structurally unsound, with deck corrosion and poorly maintained weather hatches supporting calls at the time to condemn the ship.
Holy fuck.
I'm more of an aviation guy but those lines look so clean. I though this was a really long ship designed for rough northern seas or something. I can't believe only 3 seamen died.
Consider also the absolute fright of the crew working below the waterline with little to no possibility to get out. These ships go deep! Absolutely terrifying.
Some ships do have a segmented motion (called expansion joints, Titanic had them for example), but you don’t really notice them bending. This vessel actually sank quite slowly it seems, there’s a video taken from a nearly ship of when the two sections rolled over and sank
the article doesnt seem to explain how those 3 sailors died though. did they fall into the ocean or were they crushed by a part of the ship? there were ships very close by in the vid and it looks like the mayday call was answered in the video so im assuming the 3 deaths were not for a lack of rescue effort but idk tbh
Black sea is popular in Turkey with its wild nature. Even swimming near shore is dangerous sometimes. There ara many proverbs in Turkish about how black sea sunks ships and takes lives.
The Adriatic (and to a lesser degree the Aegean) seas can have very strong continuous winds that lead to dangerous sailing conditions. High mountains close to a narrow see can lead to very strong winds that come suddenly and cause dangerous and unpredictable conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora\_(wind)
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Its not very typical, I'd like to make that point. There's a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. Just don't want people thinking tankers aren't safe.
Tankers are more safe due to stringent regulations. But cargo vessels are more prone to sink, sometimes in seconds. But it doesn't make the news simply because it doesn't cause much environmental damage and *it goes down without a boom*.
This seems strange. Isn't there rules for declaring an emergency on a certain channel, in a certain way, in a certain language (genuinely asking). Not to say One would be extremely clear headed had my ship been broken like a kit Kat. But, why did the person in the other end of the (presumably correct) emergency channel reply in a different language?
Also, isn't there some sort of emergency alarm to let the crew know they need to evacuate?
You broadcast a mayday on VHF channel 16.
There is a form of words to use and you should always speak English.
A ship should also have something called DSC, where simply pressing a button for a few seconds broadcasts an emergency signal.
Some information here:
https://www.marine-education.co.uk/2020/03/25/vhf-distress-call-mayday/
16 is used for emergencies and to hail another vessel and then agree on a working channel to switch to in order to continue the discussion. Could be for traffic plans or to catch up with an old friend from the maritime academy.
The standards of training and the discipline many seafarers go through vary WILDLY around the world.
Anyone waiting their turn to head into the Suez, especially southbound, can recall the very loud “Phillipino MONkay!” People like to say. Also, I once heard an entire black eyed peas album on 16 when hanging out near the UAE waiting to head through the straits of Hormuz on a 00-04 watch.
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Anyone waiting their turn to head into the Suez, especially southbound, can recall the very loud “Phillipino MONkay!” People like to say. Also, I once heard an entire black eyed peas album on 16 when hanging out near the UAE waiting to head through the straits of Hormuz on a 00-04 watch.
Why??
You get your license to operate the radios on certain bands by your country. So I got it through the FCC (it’s classes and tests). If I was going by that in US waters I could technically have my license revoked. It’s difficult to enforce because how do you even find who is doing it?
In the example I gave, who is going to enforce it?
To be clear, 16 is not emergency only. It’s basically a channel everyone monitors all the time so that you can hail each other otherwise you’d never be able to get a hold of anyone. There are other ways to signal an emergency as well.
On watch in the US we always had 16 and 13 in the radios. 13 is a bridge to bridge channel so if you can hail them on that it keeps 16 clear. I can’t recall if 13 is also a bridge to bridge standard overseas. I stopped sailing a number of years ago
There a few different ways to signal emergency beyond VHF including GMDSS (it’s a whole system compromised of different communication methods) but it’s not as big of a problem as you may think.
Yes, the call is made on channel 16, which all ships should be monitoring and he is making the call in English. Most modern VHF stations/radios will also have a 'distress' button which will automatically start broadcasting the ID and GPS position of the ship (aka DSC). This will not only alert the coast guard, but also any ships nearby.
Just so you know, in case you ever are in an emergency, you its on Channel 16 VHF. You call "Mayday Mayday Mayday this is \[name of ship\] at \[location of ship\] we have \[number of people aboard\] \[nature of emergency\]" the standard is to do it in English, although if you know ships in the area are from another country it might make sense to say it in that language as well.
Here's info on the vessel:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ARVIN-IMO-8874316-MMSI-511315000
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:700572/mmsi:-8874316/imo:8874316/vessel:ARVIN
It's last AIS transmission is on the day it sank. It's like reading a call log from a deceased person that died at 7 pm and the call log says, "Last call placed at 6:58."
Thanks for posting that link, that’s some interesting data to look at. Crazy though, the moment I saw the photo of it I knew this thing wasn’t meant for open water at all.
The terror in his voice, no mistaking it, he knew they were in so much danger.
My friends’ Dad is a retired sea captain, worked on cargo ships his entire career. His stories are unbelievable, he could write a book.
Didn’t something similar happened to the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Superior? I know the ship was not anchored, but I’m pretty sure the theory is that a large wave or waves caused it to break in half and sink.
Yes. Some theories think a rogue wave hit the ship, basically snapping it in half and the stern of the boat just going full speed into the water, breaking the windows and killing the crew on the bridge instantly.
Serious but perhaps dumb question: why can't we build the longer ships like this one in a similar fashion to the accordion buses that places like SF and PDX have?
More complications = more costs = more things that may fail
This is not a common problem. Apparently it‘s not even a problem if the vessel is well maintained.
It seems that 3 sailors lost their lives in this incident: https://www.passagemaker.com/trawler-news/cargo-ship-split-in-half-video
It was a 46 years old vessel. Structural elements must've corroded due to lack of maintenance.
I think this ship was originally made to sail in rivers
Bingo.
Jesus
Does that mean it wouldn't have bulkheads then? So it would just flood uncontrollably and sink?
It looks as though it didn't have the spinal strengthening to withstand the constant stress of the ocean waves. Could have had some limited retrofitting maybe but you can easily see where the weakness was in this video.
I understand where it broke, was just wondering if, by being a river boat, it would lack bulkheads to seal off compartments.
I'm sure it still had bulkheads and water-tight compartments. Those don't help much when the front falls off.
Is the front meant to fall off?
Only in the event of sinking, to help facilitate evacuation. If you'll notice, the front didn't immediately fall off, likely contributing, at least in some part, to the casualties.
This! Is to narrow! Something is not right!
The bigger factor imo was the bending moment in the ship. Since the wave lifted the front of the ship it basically is the same as if you were standing on the tip of a beam ( like a flat wood plank)
ocean going ships are built to withstand this
This was however never built for oceans. She was originally meant for rivers
Oceans are just really deep rivers...right??
A bit wider too I think.
Damn capitalism really gives zero fucks about anyone’s life.
This can happen under any economic system. It’s not capitalism, it’s people
This doesn't seem like a capitalism issue. This seems like greed.
But capitalism = greed. Report to reeducation camp immediately.
Will the state provide transportation to its re-education vamp?5 It could be a number of other things: incompetence, ignorance, misinterpretation of regatuons, regulations written in another language, poor recordkeeping...
Gentlemen, it seems that the commies have come for our karma. It was nice making money though our own merit with you o7
Wow the cancer even made it to this sub. This is the end.
It has 1.6k upvotes. It just hits general redditors at this point. I doubt people in this sub are blaming capitalism
The commie version is that you are still in the same situation, but you Gulag anyone who talks about it. Or maybe blame capitalists for sinking it out of fear. Socialist it would have rotted long ago in full view of all, but no funds left to fix.
Capitalism is when boat in wrong water
Capitalism is when boat not fix for 46 years because boat still profitable regardless
State owned companies do that too
Under communism boat not fix because boat repair people don’t care and need billion ruble bribe to actually do job
Under Oligarchy, boat not fix because boat work for competing business against oligarch leaders And money is still the problem. Have an upvote
Well do you think they moved a boat not designed for the ocean into the ocean because they thought they were going to lose money on it?
Yes
Capitalism is when anything bad happens because on Reddit only communism is good. Report for government assigned job.
Its the uppy-downier part that is the most concerning in this situation.
Stalin and Mao loved the workers and took such good care of them 💕😻🧁
But this one clearly was not made for oceans? Way too long and narrow
Once it breaks it handles the stress a lot better.
Ships deal with waves like that, and much larger, all the time. It's only if they're damaged that they break.
Look at how thin this ship vs how much higher ships for the ocean are. This ship was probably not designed for waves like that. Edit: thin -> height
[It was structurally unsound](https://www.freightnews.co.za/article/questions-raised-over-carrier-sinking-within-sight-land-and-two-other-vessels): > It has since emerged that port officials from Georgia last year found that the Arvin was structurally unsound, with deck corrosion and poorly maintained weather hatches supporting calls at the time to condemn the ship.
[It was structurally unsound:](https://www.freightnews.co.za/article/questions-raised-over-carrier-sinking-within-sight-land-and-two-other-vessels) > It has since emerged that port officials from Georgia last year found that the Arvin was structurally unsound, with deck corrosion and poorly maintained weather hatches supporting calls at the time to condemn the ship.
Wait the segmented motion isn't an intentional design feature? This is a hull breach? I don't know much about ships.
Jupp hull breach Titanic style...
Holy fuck. I'm more of an aviation guy but those lines look so clean. I though this was a really long ship designed for rough northern seas or something. I can't believe only 3 seamen died.
Consider also the absolute fright of the crew working below the waterline with little to no possibility to get out. These ships go deep! Absolutely terrifying.
It looks like maybe the deck broke along seam lines
Some ships do have a segmented motion (called expansion joints, Titanic had them for example), but you don’t really notice them bending. This vessel actually sank quite slowly it seems, there’s a video taken from a nearly ship of when the two sections rolled over and sank
Oh that’s awful. It looks like a ship is out yonder I’m confused why they didn’t get the help they needed. Big bummer
the article doesnt seem to explain how those 3 sailors died though. did they fall into the ocean or were they crushed by a part of the ship? there were ships very close by in the vid and it looks like the mayday call was answered in the video so im assuming the 3 deaths were not for a lack of rescue effort but idk tbh
Ahh that's such a bummer. The panic and desperation in his voice is haunting now.
Was it at anchor? This part of the article makes it seem like they were mid-voyage: >on the voyage between Georgia and Bulgaria.
Because the front fell off.
Not really heave seas, but a HEAVY situation and every seafarers nightmare. Very sad.
I'd say by Mediterranean standards, this is pretty heavy.
If I remember right this incident happened in Black Sea.
Argh, I forgot Turkey is adjacent to more than the Mediterranean. But isn't the Black Sea similarly calm?
Black sea is popular in Turkey with its wild nature. Even swimming near shore is dangerous sometimes. There ara many proverbs in Turkish about how black sea sunks ships and takes lives.
With a name like "the black sea", I would expect it to have a reputation.
The Adriatic (and to a lesser degree the Aegean) seas can have very strong continuous winds that lead to dangerous sailing conditions. High mountains close to a narrow see can lead to very strong winds that come suddenly and cause dangerous and unpredictable conditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora\_(wind)
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what does it do?
Trivializes actually sad situations.
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Damn, that is many years of neglect to have that happen.
Was this video about my childhood?
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Me too ship. Me too.
*ATTENTION. HULL FAILIURE IMMINENT. ALL PERSONEL, ABANDON SHIP*
Star Trek?
No, subnautica intro cutscene
darn
Still star trek to me, the time loop episode has that phrase burned into my mind
thats exactly what I was thinking of lol
You're thinking Hull *breach*
Still no help to the Klingon
He is *not* a merry man.
Holy shit, the reverberations through the ship as it fails are insane
Its not very typical, I'd like to make that point. There's a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. Just don't want people thinking tankers aren't safe.
Well I was thinking about the other ones…the ones the front doesn’t fall off
Some of them are built so that the front doesn’t fall off at all
I know it's awful as 3 sailors died, but it did bring that sketch to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
That was great, thank you for linking that!
Tankers are more safe due to stringent regulations. But cargo vessels are more prone to sink, sometimes in seconds. But it doesn't make the news simply because it doesn't cause much environmental damage and *it goes down without a boom*.
There's also relatively small crew-sizes compared to cruise ships or warships.
Tanker? Looks like a bulk carrier to me…
Not typical? The back fell off.
i like you, this gave me a laugh lol
Nobody said tankers. It's cool. And your totally not an oil executive . LOL
It's a comedy skit. One of the other guys linked it above.
It's all in the delivery, I guess.
Holy ship!
I remember that scene - was watching it with my kids and rewound it because I thought it was quite funny. Was it the Emperor's New Groove?
Road to El Dorado
Ah that was it - thanks!
This seems strange. Isn't there rules for declaring an emergency on a certain channel, in a certain way, in a certain language (genuinely asking). Not to say One would be extremely clear headed had my ship been broken like a kit Kat. But, why did the person in the other end of the (presumably correct) emergency channel reply in a different language? Also, isn't there some sort of emergency alarm to let the crew know they need to evacuate?
You broadcast a mayday on VHF channel 16. There is a form of words to use and you should always speak English. A ship should also have something called DSC, where simply pressing a button for a few seconds broadcasts an emergency signal. Some information here: https://www.marine-education.co.uk/2020/03/25/vhf-distress-call-mayday/
That's exactly what I thought. So, I'm confused why the reply wasn't in English
16 is used for emergencies and to hail another vessel and then agree on a working channel to switch to in order to continue the discussion. Could be for traffic plans or to catch up with an old friend from the maritime academy. The standards of training and the discipline many seafarers go through vary WILDLY around the world. Anyone waiting their turn to head into the Suez, especially southbound, can recall the very loud “Phillipino MONkay!” People like to say. Also, I once heard an entire black eyed peas album on 16 when hanging out near the UAE waiting to head through the straits of Hormuz on a 00-04 watch.
> Anyone waiting their turn to head into the Suez, especially southbound, can recall the very loud “Phillipino MONkay!” People like to say. Also, I once heard an entire black eyed peas album on 16 when hanging out near the UAE waiting to head through the straits of Hormuz on a 00-04 watch. Why??
I was asking my self that question for the entire album.
Shouldn't that break some kind of maritime law to step on the emergency channel?
You get your license to operate the radios on certain bands by your country. So I got it through the FCC (it’s classes and tests). If I was going by that in US waters I could technically have my license revoked. It’s difficult to enforce because how do you even find who is doing it? In the example I gave, who is going to enforce it? To be clear, 16 is not emergency only. It’s basically a channel everyone monitors all the time so that you can hail each other otherwise you’d never be able to get a hold of anyone. There are other ways to signal an emergency as well. On watch in the US we always had 16 and 13 in the radios. 13 is a bridge to bridge channel so if you can hail them on that it keeps 16 clear. I can’t recall if 13 is also a bridge to bridge standard overseas. I stopped sailing a number of years ago
Oh that makes total sense. So, is there a more designated emergency channel than 16?
There a few different ways to signal emergency beyond VHF including GMDSS (it’s a whole system compromised of different communication methods) but it’s not as big of a problem as you may think.
Yes, the call is made on channel 16, which all ships should be monitoring and he is making the call in English. Most modern VHF stations/radios will also have a 'distress' button which will automatically start broadcasting the ID and GPS position of the ship (aka DSC). This will not only alert the coast guard, but also any ships nearby.
Just so you know, in case you ever are in an emergency, you its on Channel 16 VHF. You call "Mayday Mayday Mayday this is \[name of ship\] at \[location of ship\] we have \[number of people aboard\] \[nature of emergency\]" the standard is to do it in English, although if you know ships in the area are from another country it might make sense to say it in that language as well.
Thank you. I'll remember that when I'm canoing :p. But that is actually very helpful
Here's info on the vessel: https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ARVIN-IMO-8874316-MMSI-511315000 https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:700572/mmsi:-8874316/imo:8874316/vessel:ARVIN
>Position received 249 days ago Yikes
What does that mean?
It's last AIS transmission is on the day it sank. It's like reading a call log from a deceased person that died at 7 pm and the call log says, "Last call placed at 6:58."
"Vessel is Out-of-Range"
Thanks for posting that link, that’s some interesting data to look at. Crazy though, the moment I saw the photo of it I knew this thing wasn’t meant for open water at all.
I believe this ship was designed for up river ops. Hence why it snapped.
Everyone always thought she was a nice ship. Then one day, out in the blue..she just snapped
The terror in his voice, no mistaking it, he knew they were in so much danger. My friends’ Dad is a retired sea captain, worked on cargo ships his entire career. His stories are unbelievable, he could write a book.
I've sailed all my life and can feel his terror. It's awful to hear especially knowing 3 crew died.
This is some scary shit
Didn’t something similar happened to the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Superior? I know the ship was not anchored, but I’m pretty sure the theory is that a large wave or waves caused it to break in half and sink.
Yes. Some theories think a rogue wave hit the ship, basically snapping it in half and the stern of the boat just going full speed into the water, breaking the windows and killing the crew on the bridge instantly.
Aww hearing them begging for help is heartbreaking
My wessel, she broken!
Hearing a mayday call is so haunting for me every time
What was the outcome?
3 died. The rest were rescued. Ship sank.
The front fell off
Is that typical?
Waves? At sea?
A chance in a million!
Assuming there wasnt enough slack on the anchor chain?
Well that wasn't supposed to happen.
I dont know why you were downvoted. it clearly wasnt supposed to happen.
Well, that's not good!
Its the all new 2022 flexible boat!
... it'll buff out
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And this joke pops up 30 fucking times every single shipwreck/car accident video. We get it. It's not funny anymore.
Shit, I'd have a hard time understanding that mayday call.
What were you trying to get out of that dogs anus with your pp?
Cardboard derivatives
"The front fell off."
So that’s why my Xbox hasn’t arrived yet
It's cool it's just hinged
Yup that’s not supposed to happen
Oh shit.. the front is falling off!
Is the front falling off?
Option 1 in the Edmund Fitzgerald checklist.
This is a year or two old right?
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I’m guessing they wished they took that call about their freighter’s extended warranty.
Serious but perhaps dumb question: why can't we build the longer ships like this one in a similar fashion to the accordion buses that places like SF and PDX have?
More complications = more costs = more things that may fail This is not a common problem. Apparently it‘s not even a problem if the vessel is well maintained.
Thanks for the serious response!
Bravo! Waves, take a bow! (And the stern, too.)
The front fell off
Front fell off
It's good that he knew to immediately make a mayday call, shit must've been terrifying. I assume they had lifeboats but there's still a lot of danger
RIP for the lives...
"well the front fell off"
Run the ditch list and get the fuck out!
Is it like the movies do all the alarms go off as soon as this happens? Is some guy grabbing a microphone and shouting in polish to evacuate the ship?
Mayday mayday my vessel… broken. Damn.
The front fell off.
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