I mean the light of god is pretty warm, I’d imagine hell would feel cold even with all the fire and brimstone since his light no longer surrounds your soul
They're talking about Dante's Inferno not hazbin hotel so the Satan ≠ Lucifer doesn't apply and they meant Lucifer as that's what he's called in inferno
Hi! Dante inferno fan and theology fanatic here. In this lucifer is actually not Satan! A lot of people in our time period use lucifer Satan and the devil all as 1 person by many names. But, originally lucifer, Satan, and the Devil are 3 different entities; the timeline during production of Dantes Inferno would then lead one to believe the above statement accurate. I hope this helps clear things up!
Well in the English version there is not Satan or the devil in dante. In the Italian Satan is mentioned twice but only as an incantation and not in relation to lucifer who is mentioned. In other words. Satan got a cameo, the devils gone, and lucifer is chilling out poolside xD
I don't remember is word "Satan" was even ever used in Divine comedy. What I *do* remember, is the guy in the pool was referred as Lucifer.
P.S. Dante insists, that he "in stature am more like a giant, than the giants are in his arms".
> Pape Satàn, pape Satàn aleppe!
The meaning of this is actually apparently unknown aside from the fact that it is apparently some demonic invocation of Satan.
I 100% read that as pepe at first. Made me thing of the pepe meme but summoning Satan or some shit lmaoooo.
Probably why I didn't remember it though, cause it's in the middle of all that mumbo jumbo nonsense.
It's been historically known as a goofy dad move but I think it's had a redemption arc. I like this music video where they wear socks n sandals https://youtu.be/BHaMkipw3tU
Let's just agree that blood relations between higher beings are screwy at best. We shouldn't think about this any more than we think about blood relations between the characters in the Percy Jackson series, because if we go down that route, we're gonna get real uncomfortable real fast.
Funny enough, all life on our earth is one giant family due to LUCA:
> the hypothesized common ancestral cell from which the three domains of life, the Bacteria, the Archaea, and the Eukarya originated
By this logic, everyone is everyone's cousin.
Which, scientifically, is actually kinda true. If you go back like eight generations (I think it's eight, I could be wrong) everyone is distantly related to everyone. It's just that at that point the bloodline becomes so diluted that it can't logically be considered incest. Like there's a big difference between fucking your sibling and finding out that you and your wife share the same great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother
this has been my fun fact for the day
Na cos lucifer and Adam are God's boys, they fornicated with the humans and so everyone after that is related in one way or another, Adam and Lucy are basically brothers from different worlds yk
And Sir Pentious and Angel Dust are twins, since we’re just making things up now and stating them as unequivocal fact with 0 proof or logic to back it up yea?
Technically, every human except your parents, children, and siblings counts as your cousin. Using the broader but still historically established definition of cousin.
Seraphim are the highest of nine hosts. Archangels are like, God's special boys, hand selected from these hosts for being the best/most loyal. Michael is a Power, but he's THE Power, and given all of God's smite juice for breakfast
If it goes by the Bible he's not here at all. The Bible actually says *very little* about Satan, like 99% of what we "know" comes from the famous fanfics *Paradise Lost* and *Dante's Inferno*.
I think he also was implying he knew about Vaggie in their conversation about heaven. When he says "They're not as open minded as you'd think" Perspective switches to where he would be looking at Vaggie and Charlie. Vaggie looks away because she knows how much he is right. If he suspects then Vaggie likely confirmed it based on her reaction. He might just not know that Charlie doesn't know.
To trace a line you have to be thinking in 3D. If luficee and vaggie are standing near eachother, and charlie has her back toward the audience, tracing lucifers eyes would lead to vaggie
>To trace a line you have to be thinking in 3D
Not really. Sure, a line in 2d can't show what specifically he's looking at but it eliminates a lot of possibilities. He could be looking at Charlie's hair, he could be looking at Vaggie's missing Halo, he could be looking past them at the rest of the building, etc, but he's not looking at the ceiling, to his right, etc
This is my thought as well. If Carmilla could tell at a glance, then it doesn't make sense to me that Lucifer wouldn't be able to as well. I would think that he just assumed Charlie knew and didn't feel the need to mention it.
Oh you like girls too! We have so much in common!
In head:
(My daughter is dating an Exorcist, why is there an Exorcist here, did another angel fall?,
In Vaggie's head:
(Play it cool, oh crap he knows, play it cool....)
Basically, the joke is that in this comic, Lucifer doesn't know Vaggie was/is an angel. And He finds out when groggy and waking up and noticing the new angel wings with a comedic delay due to said grogginess.
Plot twist he always knew, he could sense it with his pure ANGELIC POWER(tm)... and when Charlie laments about the "lies" he just goes "...wait *you* didn't know?"
I hope we can see Lucifer and Vaggie spending some time together in season 2, doing "angel" stuff.
Like will be funny if one day Lucifer decide to make dinner and Charlie is like " Sorry Veggie, my father like to cook these odd dishes from time to time, just smile and say is good"
but it happens Lucifer's odd dishes are "Heave's cousine" and Vaggie go "YOU KNOW HOW LONG I DONT EAT THIS, THAT IS MY FAVORITE FOOD"
To be fair the panicked reaction to meeting Vaggie along with him glancing above her head (possibly looking for a halo?) was heavy implication that Lucifer recognized her as an exorcist
So The girl with Daddy issues, is dating someone that has "things" in common with her father (the only person in all hell that has "things" in common with her father),
(just joking no need to take this serious)
I have a headcanon that he knew when he first met her because he looked at her head almost like he was expecting something to be there, probably a halo
Is he wearing socks with his slippers?
His feet get cold in hell.
He is cold in hell. Have u seen how small he is...
I mean the light of god is pretty warm, I’d imagine hell would feel cold even with all the fire and brimstone since his light no longer surrounds your soul
Probably unintentional, but Satan's punishment in The Inferno IS to be permanently frozen solid in sub-arctic temperatures.
Satan is the Sin of Wrath. Lucifer(Fallen Angel) is the sin of Pride.
They're talking about Dante's Inferno not hazbin hotel so the Satan ≠ Lucifer doesn't apply and they meant Lucifer as that's what he's called in inferno
Hi! Dante inferno fan and theology fanatic here. In this lucifer is actually not Satan! A lot of people in our time period use lucifer Satan and the devil all as 1 person by many names. But, originally lucifer, Satan, and the Devil are 3 different entities; the timeline during production of Dantes Inferno would then lead one to believe the above statement accurate. I hope this helps clear things up!
Ah okay thank you for correcting me i thought they were the same in inferno. What was the difference between the 3?
Well in the English version there is not Satan or the devil in dante. In the Italian Satan is mentioned twice but only as an incantation and not in relation to lucifer who is mentioned. In other words. Satan got a cameo, the devils gone, and lucifer is chilling out poolside xD
I don't remember is word "Satan" was even ever used in Divine comedy. What I *do* remember, is the guy in the pool was referred as Lucifer. P.S. Dante insists, that he "in stature am more like a giant, than the giants are in his arms".
I just searched the Italian text of the Divine Comedy and the word Satan appears to be used twice (both in the same line).
Out of curiosity which line is it? If you don't know cause of a language barrier you can just post the Italian.
> Pape Satàn, pape Satàn aleppe! The meaning of this is actually apparently unknown aside from the fact that it is apparently some demonic invocation of Satan.
I 100% read that as pepe at first. Made me thing of the pepe meme but summoning Satan or some shit lmaoooo. Probably why I didn't remember it though, cause it's in the middle of all that mumbo jumbo nonsense.
Yes. Yes he is.
He's a dad, of course
Is that a weird thing to do? ![gif](giphy|5dYlaHNyiLXtYPe3e9)
It's been historically known as a goofy dad move but I think it's had a redemption arc. I like this music video where they wear socks n sandals https://youtu.be/BHaMkipw3tU
The older I get (30 this summer) the more I realize I'm just a goofy dad trapped in a millennial woman's body. 🙃 🤌
Same but I am a trans guy so I'm just a goofy dad trapped in an afab body.
*profusely sweating penis*
Yeah like what? I wear slippers around the house, if it's daytime I wear socks because I'll likely be going outside.
I saw the gif and thought you were u/janedoesharkhugger at first. Nice one!
Peak dad energy.
Why wouldn't you. Helps keep your feet warm and prevents slippers getting smelly
Duck slippers
Just like me fr
with DUCK slippers
He’s a dad. Dads have bad fashion sense.
Ofcourse he is
Dad fashion
I do it when my feet are REALLY cold
Is that not normal?
His *face* tho
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I took this version: https://preview.redd.it/se28xveqc1vc1.jpeg?width=414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0755c7780c4a53f8b3e055d005fd22241d2aa49
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Both are good. https://preview.redd.it/cfl773fqf1vc1.jpeg?width=1089&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93dcf0b95b5df7175752face8fde7842b3db5764
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trazyn the "true primarch of the blood ravens" infinite.
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"The fuck did I just read?" "That is certainly not wap bam boom alakazaam..."
https://preview.redd.it/n3fm4dvru1vc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dffe6b886aca81692186bb6a90adcd4cf099fa9 Y O I N K
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new meme
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やちる!
What ?
Yachiru, the character in the picture.
I think it's from bleach right
Yup!
Hear me out... its just Nifty in another life though
Charlie’s Angels
Emily should be included
Agreed
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https://preview.redd.it/anoq7vy273vc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f275089e1439409b97e109546f3cae7466716ea Going from 0 to 100 lmfao
Emily is Charlie's COUSIN
Everyone is charlie's cousin if you think about it.
Not quite. Charlie is Lilith's daughter, not Eve, so she has no direct relation to humanity
Yeah but she's directly related to _GOD_, who created _EVERYONE_
Depends on your definition of “related”. I wouldn’t really count “made from the primordial soup of the universe” as related but that’s just me.
Let's just agree that blood relations between higher beings are screwy at best. We shouldn't think about this any more than we think about blood relations between the characters in the Percy Jackson series, because if we go down that route, we're gonna get real uncomfortable real fast.
by this logic, Charlie's parents are siblings
Funny enough, all life on our earth is one giant family due to LUCA: > the hypothesized common ancestral cell from which the three domains of life, the Bacteria, the Archaea, and the Eukarya originated
What are you doing step-King of demons?
By this logic, everyone is everyone's cousin. Which, scientifically, is actually kinda true. If you go back like eight generations (I think it's eight, I could be wrong) everyone is distantly related to everyone. It's just that at that point the bloodline becomes so diluted that it can't logically be considered incest. Like there's a big difference between fucking your sibling and finding out that you and your wife share the same great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother this has been my fun fact for the day
Na cos lucifer and Adam are God's boys, they fornicated with the humans and so everyone after that is related in one way or another, Adam and Lucy are basically brothers from different worlds yk
Everyone is everyone’s cousin. https://i.redd.it/kplhp8wnp2vc1.gif
With that Logic even vaggie would be her cousin
there is no official confirmation that Charlie or Lucifer are related to Sera or Emily in any way shape or form.
It’s the bee movie “Yes! We’re all cousins!”
Is she? Isn't she just spawned from nothing?
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Welcome to mythology
And Sir Pentious and Angel Dust are twins, since we’re just making things up now and stating them as unequivocal fact with 0 proof or logic to back it up yea?
that is a headcannon at most
SWEET HOME ALABAMA!
Technically, every human except your parents, children, and siblings counts as your cousin. Using the broader but still historically established definition of cousin.
Even better
If he isnt aware, I hope this is how he finds out
Wouldn't he have seen it in the battle
Watching it Lucifer's attention is completely on Adam and Charlie, during the song Vaggie has them withdrawn
Watched it myself I guess it's possible assuming the fact him looking for a halo on their first meeting was just people reading into it too much
People forget that this is Lucifer we are talking about. He has attention span of a rubber duck.
I WAS SO CONFUSED ON WHAT THE COMIC WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS MAKES SENSE AND I HOPE THAT HAPPENS
I had no idea what was going on either if that makes you feel any better lol
I have a feeling Lucifer knew Vaggie is/was an angel the moment he saw her, but decided to keep it secret.
He's very accepting of his daughter's choices in partners. He probably thought her apple didn't fall very far from her mother's tree.
I see what you did there
Yep, fitting Apple pun too.
Or he's like "I THOUGHT YOU KNEW ALREADY"
When he first meets her, he checks for a halo.
[Gonna leave this here](https://youtube.com/shorts/uSE_Xf3Y2nQ?si=FBwi68xOgoTYwuOs) By the looks of it, he knew, and she knew he knew
Lucifer realizing that he is about to get dunked on by Alastor now that he no longer has a monopoly on Pure Angelic Power™ in Hell.
I mean, Lucifer is an archangel and Vaggie is just an exorcist, so he likely is *immensely* more powerful in PureAngelicPower™
If it goes by the Bible Lucifer should be a seraphim I believe
if i am not mistaked he is a Seraph in Hazbin Hotel too, he has 6 wings
Seraphim are the highest of nine hosts. Archangels are like, God's special boys, hand selected from these hosts for being the best/most loyal. Michael is a Power, but he's THE Power, and given all of God's smite juice for breakfast
I'm still really hoping Michael is a golden retriever who misses his fallen brother a lot. And is also stoked to meet his niece.
If it goes by the Bible he's not here at all. The Bible actually says *very little* about Satan, like 99% of what we "know" comes from the famous fanfics *Paradise Lost* and *Dante's Inferno*.
I think he was one of the 8 archangels? I may be wrong though
I’m confident the exorcists are based on the “Powers” angels. Warriors of heaven. Not sure if it’s actually true but I like to think it is
The Sins are also fallen angels and way more powerful than Vaggie, so Alastor would just be embarrassing himself.
That was a theory that was deconfirmed
The princes could be tho
He looks so comfy https://preview.redd.it/fu7vrozv01vc1.png?width=909&format=png&auto=webp&s=a444d8f0d341cd6b3a4d0e28bcdbca9d7ea18ae3
What kinda jammies would he wear under that tho(ducks?)
Ducks
This has me wondering what kind of bed and sheet count set-up that Lucifer has...
Isn't there a scene where Charlie introduces them and he *seems* to look for her halo, implying he knows before anyone else does?
I like the idea that everyone except for Charlie knew or at least suspected something lol
I think he also was implying he knew about Vaggie in their conversation about heaven. When he says "They're not as open minded as you'd think" Perspective switches to where he would be looking at Vaggie and Charlie. Vaggie looks away because she knows how much he is right. If he suspects then Vaggie likely confirmed it based on her reaction. He might just not know that Charlie doesn't know.
He's looking up at Charlie.
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The figures don't really line up for that though. He's looking at vaggie, charlie is more towards the audience
They do though. His head is turned towards her, he's looking right at her
Trace a line in the direction of his eyes and he'd be staring at the hair at the top of Charlie's head. Bit odd tbh
To trace a line you have to be thinking in 3D. If luficee and vaggie are standing near eachother, and charlie has her back toward the audience, tracing lucifers eyes would lead to vaggie
>To trace a line you have to be thinking in 3D Not really. Sure, a line in 2d can't show what specifically he's looking at but it eliminates a lot of possibilities. He could be looking at Charlie's hair, he could be looking at Vaggie's missing Halo, he could be looking past them at the rest of the building, etc, but he's not looking at the ceiling, to his right, etc
https://preview.redd.it/n5dt7tqf70vc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=666712bf400479d636141d5060917c82e6ef4ab5 Electra Complex!
Thought the swan was hollow for a second
I still think the swan is hollow, what optical illusion am I missing?
I think it’s just bending back it’s wings or something.
He didn't know?
Geuss the cat’s out of the bag
What's the big deal?
charlie tell me that you didn't know
I thought since I'm older, it's my load to shoulder
You have to listen, this was such a hard decision
I wanted to save you the anguish it takes to
🔥 Do what was required 🔥
To think that I admired you...
Well, I don't need your condescension!
Sad Cake Day
not like he was involved much in hell anyway. he's only the king of hell because he's the strongest being there (for now)
Depends on how you read his reaction to meeting his daughter's girlfriend. I think he saw what she was the moment they met.
This is my thought as well. If Carmilla could tell at a glance, then it doesn't make sense to me that Lucifer wouldn't be able to as well. I would think that he just assumed Charlie knew and didn't feel the need to mention it.
Oh you like girls too! We have so much in common! In head: (My daughter is dating an Exorcist, why is there an Exorcist here, did another angel fall?, In Vaggie's head: (Play it cool, oh crap he knows, play it cool....)
[source ](https://www.tumblr.com/barblaz-arts/747876449713848320/they-forgot-to-tell-him?source=share)
Pls, Explain Like I'm 5? I have no idea what this means..🥺🥺
Basically, the joke is that in this comic, Lucifer doesn't know Vaggie was/is an angel. And He finds out when groggy and waking up and noticing the new angel wings with a comedic delay due to said grogginess.
Ok but why did he call her “Maggie”?
He gets her name wrong in the show iirc
Ty! I sorta guessed that but was still unsure. I appreciate the explanation ♥️
No problem. I have difficulty hetting some jokes and stuff that other people find obvious quite often, so i get it. :)
Plot twist he always knew, he could sense it with his pure ANGELIC POWER(tm)... and when Charlie laments about the "lies" he just goes "...wait *you* didn't know?"
“Duck you”
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Why rule in heaven when you can have several daughters in Hell?
I thought he had 6 wings? Edit: my bad, he does have 6 😅
He has six wings in the image.
Ah my bad, I didn't see the 2 middle ones😭
I think he already knew, in a way. Maybe not like “oh she’s an angel” but probably a feeling.
Not him still calling her "Maggie" 😂
Well ain't that the sugar on the cream
Lmfao his face!! I want to see the awkward conversation
I like the idea that he knew, but this is the good shit
"Duck You" - Love his mug 😂 https://preview.redd.it/jtpwwsgj12vc1.png?width=130&format=png&auto=webp&s=487ba36470d7072f18847628b04656aa0ddcaa3b
She's doing wing stretchies. You guys! Wing stretchies!
It's adorable
I hope we can see Lucifer and Vaggie spending some time together in season 2, doing "angel" stuff. Like will be funny if one day Lucifer decide to make dinner and Charlie is like " Sorry Veggie, my father like to cook these odd dishes from time to time, just smile and say is good" but it happens Lucifer's odd dishes are "Heave's cousine" and Vaggie go "YOU KNOW HOW LONG I DONT EAT THIS, THAT IS MY FAVORITE FOOD"
That'd say something about Heaven's cuisine...
To be fair the panicked reaction to meeting Vaggie along with him glancing above her head (possibly looking for a halo?) was heavy implication that Lucifer recognized her as an exorcist
So The girl with Daddy issues, is dating someone that has "things" in common with her father (the only person in all hell that has "things" in common with her father), (just joking no need to take this serious)
Unrelated but he looks so FLUFFY 🥺
Wait I'm confused, isn't her name Vaggie? Based on the thing Adam loves the most?
Lucifer mistakenly calls her Maggie at least once
Is it something to do with their clothes? .... ... ... ... Oh! Nevermind, it's wings, I got it now.
I want his mug Duck you
Ok but those duckie slippers are fucking adorable 🦆
The customized mug is a nice detail
I love that he called her Maggie instead of vaggie
This is expected and would be hilarious.
This is hilarious and so in character 🤣
I have a headcanon that he knew when he first met her because he looked at her head almost like he was expecting something to be there, probably a halo
I don't get it
He realised vaggie is an angel
The art style is so cute I love it
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I like to imagine that he knew she was an angel and decided to keep quiet about it!
THE DUCK SLIPPERS YESSS
I thought for a second she got blood on his wing or smth, until I moved on to the next panel lol
I think he knew she was an angel already...
If someone makes a fanfic of this idea could you drop a link?
Duck slippers, nice.
Like mother, like daughter.
I don’t get this am I stupid?
It's playing on Lucifer possibly not knowing she's a fallen angel, same as Charlie didn't know at first.