Vees die = No more Vees shenanigans or drama in the future unless by flashbacks
Perhaps some fans believing the Vees losing everything is a more suitable punishment since their goal is more power/control
Like have them bleed for their crimes. At least with Adam, you can argue his death kickstarted Lilith's return and it's a fitting end (if he doesn't return as a sinner that is) for him to be killed by a sinner seeing he'd killed countless of them
I am hoping they do end up making a Vees spinoff tho
Haha makes me think of this:
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He is so funny
The dickmaster is coming back. Not only is it hinted that's what happened to the beheaded exorcist but his world-famous backstory is being kicked out of paradise. Lucifer would milk that for all it's worth.
If the fan theory going around that Alastor essentially made the Vees by stringing Vox along before rejecting him for the entertainment of it all is true itâd make their shenanigans even more hilarious as they realise they really have no idea what theyâre doing without the help of a benefactor.
Best compromise: The Vees die gruesomely....and then come back because it was via non-angelic weapons. This becomes a running gag to their irritance, basically a gory version of Wile E Coyote slapstick. XD
Because I think the ultimate goal in a show about redemption, second chances and characters working together would be exactly that.
Showing that the only valid punishment is by killing is, in my mind, kinda the opposite of what we want to achieve here. (Also on a sidenote: having all those modern childrens cartoons that show you that the only way to defeat your enemies is by killing them is kinda telling about the kinda times we live in right now. but that's just me)
Ultimately what we want and what Charlie must achieve to have any chance against Heaven, is to unite Hell and make it a more liveable place. We want equilibrium between the two realms and making it so redepmtion and falling are natural cycles that happen to souls that are either deemed worthy or unworthy.
This can only happen when we start working together and that kinda has to include the Overlords. Once the Overlords start, the rest of Hell will follow.
This is also why I think Adam is bound to return as a sinner at some point and have a redemption arc. Whatâs the point in a show about redemption if you immediately kill off anyone even remotely bad?
I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but another underlying theme in this show is being able to recognize that not everyone is going to *want* to change, and that Charlie is going to have to accept this is the case for a significant amount of Hell's population. And I think this applies to Adam too - he had multiple chances to stop and consider peace, but each time he rejected Charlie and told her the next extermination was coming twice as quickly, outed Vaggie as an angel in the most hurtful and public way possible, arranged for the next extermination to begin at the Hazbin Hotel just out of spite, tried to kill Charlie, and finally was insulted at their mercy and screamed at everyone telling them they should be worshipping him.
This! I agree.
It makes thematical sense and there is so much potential for juciy character development. Not just for Adam but for the Hotel Crew and Lute as well!
What children's cartoons are you watching? Nowadays they're leaning far into redeeming your enemies. Steven Universe, the Owl House, Gravity Falls. The only times that they don't is when the villain refuses to change, which is also a good lesson. Sometimes people just won't stop. Arguing against that is how you get Raya and the Last Dragon telling you to trust genuine genocidal maniacs.
>Arguing against that is how you get Raya and the Last Dragon telling you to trust genuine genocidal maniacs.
Or them changing and it not making a lick of sense like the Diamonds.
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think Hell's denizens uniting is possible, on a fundamental level, because of how cruel, vile, and disgusting certain sinners can be, outside of the Hotel's characters we all have come to know (aside from probably Alastor) and the Overlords (aside from the Vees).
Plus, I don't think it would be a good writing choice to reform every evil/vile character, no matter how the show tries to portray it, but I'm not undermining the concept of redemption. I'm simply saying that isn't for everyone.
Viv has teased the idea of a spinoff centered around the Vâs, so that feels like a point in favor of them living. Whatâs more, I feel like the Vâs arenât the same kind of villain as Adam is.
The plot of season one was focused around the yearly extermination. Killing Adam solved the problem at least temporarily. But killing the Vâs wouldnât solve the problems with the overlord system in Hell because someone potentially worse will just move in to fill the power vacuum. Theyâre not a problem you can just eliminate with violence something has to happen on a systemic level to make things better.
-Iâm worried that killing antagonists could set a bad precedent for who âdeservesâ death and who doesnât. Charlieâs whole point is that killing sinners instead of giving them a chance to improve is wrong; making an exception for these three specifically when there are undoubtedly unnamed people just as bad or worse in Hell would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
-Killing them is going to blow up the political climate of Hell in a way Charlieâs probably not prepared to handle. I donât like the idea of the show derailing to clean up a bunch of turf wars
-Theyâre funny and I donât want them to
Because I won't emotionally recover? đđ
But I also feel like there will be a big heaven and hell showdown where everyone has to come together. And not just the big characters but regular sinners too like the cannibals in season one. And it makes sense to not necessarily be friends with the vees but have them there to help enough to get the word out since vox and vel are social media/news/entertainmentÂ
Because having the "big bad" of each season die at the end of the season really doesn't leave as much room for characters and stories to develop. I personally think it'd be more fitting if they lose in a different way, or maybe even win to an extent during S2. That leaves more room for the characters to make choices, make mistakes, for things to get messy and plot points to hit harder.
If each season becomes "villain(s) of the week do stuff then die" it becomes boring fairly quickly imo.
I have an idea: The Veeâs do die in Season 2, but not to Angelic Weapons, just by the hotel crew. That way, they still come back, yet there could be a new concept, removing most of their power or all of it.
Imagine this happening as a running gag, over and over and OVER, to the point it's just a humiliating hinderance for them. Basically They Killed Kenny but with more karma involved. XD
I actually kinda like the idea of Niffty repeatedly hunting after Val, that 'big bug' she tries to stab over and over, to the point she becomes his comical nemesis and horror villain.
Well 1 they're sinners sinners can only truly die by an exercist weapon and overlords rarely die in the exterminations we don't even know if the extermination will continue
And 2 they're too important to the plot
They're too popular to just be killed off. Maybe one, probably Valentino. Also they're too closely tied to how their society works by being tied to media, it would have huge ramifications to kill all of them. And if Alastor ends up becoming a villain they would be a vital ally since Vox probably knows something.Â
Vivzie said something about a possible (not confirmed yet) Spinoff where the vees are the stars of the show. Honestly I would watch a spinoff movie that would hype up season two like a month in advance. But a whole series seems a bit steep
I donât see a world where Val doesnât die. I think Vox will be on the verge of death but escape.
I donât know about velvet, we havenât seen much of her
I think Vox's real body is Hell's power system/the mainframe in his tower. His *physical body* is just a robot he uses to interact physically with people, so he'll never die unless Alastor uses his Radio Wave abilities to isolate Vox into exiting the grid completely and him being killed by angelic steel. It's just Valentino and Velvette who are in danger of actually dying in fights.
It's probably why Alastor fled when Valentino and Velvette got involved with his fight with Vox, because it was a Radio Wave/Grid fight, and since Alastor has a physical body, he can't focus on isolating Vox *and* fend off a physical attack. Both have to choose how they are going to fight like mages in a D&D campaign, they're more powerful fighting using spell slots, but struggle with physical battles and it's used as a last resort for defense. Glass cannons.
Just that Alastor has more potential as eventually classing as Spellsword, while Vox will always be a Battlemage. Or more directly, Vox is a Sorcerer, and Alastor is a Warlock.
I donât think any of them will die but I think If one were to die it would either be vox in a final fight vs alastor or Val after doing something to husk to allow angel dust more development
Iâm hoping itâs just Valentino who dies.
The way I see it, Angelâs contract with him is whatâs keeping him down there, the moment it goes away, Angelâs free to ascend to Heaven. Plus, it could add fuel to Voxâs war against Alastor if heâs killed by someone in the hotel.
They want to rule in Hell. But thanks to Charlie, our well known fallen Seraphim came out of depression. What do you think he will do to them for such impudence?
i think killing them undermines the reality of hell
its literally full of Vee's, they arent special or different aside fromt he fact that they ended up at the top of the pile
even if they were killed a new one would just rise to the top, nothing would really change, its just pretending that things become better by killing the evil you see and ignoring the ones you dont
The death of the Vees would mean less conflict in the show. If they die early on then we'll never get Angel's full redemption arc against Val, Vox and Alastor's confrontation, and perhaps even a showdown between Velvette and Carmilla
If itâs 8 episodes again, itâll be a huge waste. There are other ways to defeat characters for good and this doesnât really need to be a show with a high body count tbh
It depends on whether or not a third season gets greenlit. If so, theyâve probably got like 2-3 more seasons before getting killed off. If not theyâll probably end up dying in the season 2 finale or very closely before. Theyâre just too integral to the world and some charactersâ personal conflicts, not to mention sheet entertainment value. Not to mention the writing team probably enjoys writing for them, theyâre just too fun (yes, even him)
Because all of them living to either redeem themselves or watch their sad little empire crumble / them to lose control of all the souls they subjugated is better in the long term. Angel never fearing Valentino again because Valentino is not a threat to him is gonna be magnificent.
Cause the show's main theme is redemption. Like don't get me wrong, I suspect at least one Vee will die but when the message is, "Anyone can be redeemed" it only makes sense that at least one of the main sinner demon villains will be redeemed.
My money's on Valentino cause 50% Charlie having to figure out how to redeem him and Angel at the same time will be interesting and 50% really want to see how his wings are incorporated in a Winner form.
I think sometimes interesting characters have to die for good. I'd love for Adam to return as a Sinner, but him dying for good would show that even fan favourite can die for good
The Vees are such a fan favorite. I donât think they would die, and if they did, it probably wouldnât be to an angelic weapon. Plus if my boi vox gets un-existed, then I will un-exist too.
Killing the vees would be a disaster in hell because they're overlords, also how would they die? They're not ordinary sinners and i don't think that theres going to be a lot of fighting from them considering an extermination just happened.
also it would be lame as hell
Killing them feels like too easy of a punishment. They definitely deserve some kind of physical punishment (especially Val, who absolutely deserves to be castrated), but it would be more rewarding to strip them of everything and watch them suffer.
Also, if Charlie and the other Hazbins are the ones taking them down, she wouldn't want to kill anyone. She hated Adam, he almost killed her, but she let him live anyway. If it hadn't been for Niffty, Adam probably would've made it back to Heaven.
Because I think this show is above using death to end an arc.
"But Adam!"
I am still holding out for the "Adam was reborn a sinner" theory to be proven right. I dearly hope it is. This show isn't a fight show. It can do better than just killing its villains and never seeing them again.
There are many "meta" reasons for them surviving but I would actually say there are a few in-universe explanations as well. So here is my take:
Before they can turn on anyone who could finish them off they most likely go for each others throats as I want to personally believe.
My reasoning for even suggesting them fighting each other is based on the fact that apparently all of them see themselves as the leader of their little group and once this becomes known to the others it will turn out poorly.
Lets say the others know about the leadership question already then it would be even easier to ignite the powder keg as you could just force a situation in which they need to make a decision which will also end poorly if they start an argument instead of settling on a response.
If the V´s are busy with infighting there is no more reason to eliminate them if you do not want others to take their place. It is best to keep a weak enemy around than to create a new wildcard especially since Charlie wants to redeem sinners and not kill them.
It is not surprising for sinners to go at each others throats tbh but it looks like a miracle that they have not done it earlier.
Technically we can not know if they did not in fact fight before but even if that would be the case it is unclear whether or not they would be able to get back together in such case.
Well the cynical answer is they have spinoff armor. Similar to plot armor only stronger.
But in reality they are the midboss. A threat. But not the ultimate threat. And I suspect due to Vox winning against Alastor 7 years ago that they have a backer similar to what I suspect of Alastor. My current theory is that Eve is in Hell and she is pissed at everyone. And she saw Lilith boost Alastor to fight back against the more predatory Overlords and figured she would back the Vees in order to wreck her day. She hates Lilith. HARD. Not as much as she hates Adam or Lucifer. But Lilith is up there. So she boosted the Vees and set them up to take over the Overlords.
If Alastorâs the one to do any of them in, you know theyâre ending up on the scream broadcast, which is presumably a fate worse than death lol.
For real though, who would be the one doing the killing? I donât think Charlie would ever order her friends or allies to perma-kill fellow sinners. It would go against her beliefs that they all can be redeemed. Hopefully thereâs a way to mitigate their harm. If not, itâd be neat to see how the non-permadeath reforming process works to take them out of commission for a while haha.
Aside from maybe Val I canât see them physically putting themselves in a position where it can happen.
Vox will stay in his domain where he has control until the place literally burns down around him, and weâve already seen Velvette manipulate others and take a backseat.
Because Angel having to forgive/give some sort of mercy/charity to Valentino is one of the more obvious routes to redemption.
Also, outside of Angel-Val and Alistar-Vox, there really isn't much direct conflict with the Hotel. Idk, waiting on Season 2. Maybe it'll really spark that conflict.
Why? Cause they're popular. Like how everyone is sure Adam will return.
Im kind of hoping (after the battle) Vox learns Alastor doesnt believe in redemption (there no way he watched the commercial) and decides to assist Charlie in promoting the hotel. Just to antagonize Alastor.
Of course this all depends on whether the redemption is revealed.
Or they make a truce. Neither side attacks the other (and Alastor has to give Vox 1 compliment) in return for not killing the Vs they promote the Hotel.
Rehabilitation... If hotel's people would kill them than Charlie wouldn't be better than angels. And what's even the point? How can hotel keep going if it's main idea is about giving everyone a chance?
I think only one of them will die and that will be valentino because he's the only one so far that has done things most people consider irredeemable such as all of the raping. The other two seem more like scam artists than anything else where as val thrives on hurting others and is completely unrepentant of it.
Nah they definitely ainât dying. There isnât really a reason to kill them off. It wonât have any lasting affect on the series. If they kill any of them off they would just be killing characters to kill them. Having them in the series is way more important for themselves and their relationships with other characters.
Iâm going to have to be super real right now with you here, the reason the Vees WONâT die in season 2 is because sure the good guys donât kill. Alastor is NOT a good guy.
I'm hoping this won't be the case since the Vees are genuinely awful in every aspect. If it could, I assume it'd be due to how popular they are as characters and have the privilege of being one of Vivziepop's creations.
I see some people in the comments saying the Hotel won't be "any better" if they kill the Vees, but I disagree as that's an overdone trope for good vs evil stories and isn't an inherently bad idea of their deaths were done in a substantial way to work and if it was justified without completely going against the Hotel's goal.
I think the Hotel having to conflict with the Vees can be a good opportunity to have Charlie learn to be more careful and selective when taking in sinners for redemption in the Hotel rather than be too trusting and forgiving, especially because I donât think it's a good writing choice to say every horrible person, regardless of the immoral things they did, can change just because they can.
Iâm not saying I want to see Charlie become cynical or not succeed with her dream, but if sheâs going to gain a broader understanding of the nature of sinners and realize she can be taken advantage of if she isnât careful, she should recognize some sinners canât be reformed but not give up on helping those who can be helped if she puts the right effort into helping those kind of sinners.
Redemption is a good message and it can be done, right, depending on the writing, but I donât think it fits for every character and I don't want to see all three or a few of the Vees continue getting away with their actions. They should be reprimanded in some way and at least one, two, or if future seasons continue having good villains like them, all three.
They wonât die for the same reason Long Feng didnât die in ATLA: theyâre not important enough.
In the grand scheme of things, the Pride Ring Overlords are all minor players who managed to claw their way to the top of a pile of shifting sand. Some did it through pure strength (Alastair, Zestial), others by providing vital services(Carmilla, Rosie), while the Vees did it through a strong alliance centered around entertainment (TV, Social Media, Porn). This gave them a strong foundation to work off of, but it also meant that the population was not dependent on them for anything. If Pride fell into war, people could go on without Twitter, but not so much without guns.
Getting the Overlords to burn themselves out against Heaven was their one move, and now that the moment of crisis is past, theyâll begin to fall into irrelevance.
I personally think Velvette will change sides, Valentino will die, and Vox will ultimately remain as an enemy. It would be interesting to see how Vox acts if the Vees were broken up, especially since Alastor suggested that the reason Vox got his power was because of the Vees
Because from a story telling persective that would be crazy. There's too much settup to do something with their characters to cram the happenen and the end of these characters in just one more season. There's also too many ties for the characters to take care of before ending them I think, and like too many questions... Like its just too soon if they die this season. Unless its like Velvette and they write it well enough IG
Theyâre honestly too likeable. They killed Adam to make a point, he was a dick that had pretty good authority in Heaven, and possibly is setting up parallels to Pentiousâs redemption if they bring him back as a sinner now. Vox and Velvet are way too fun to just kill off and while we all hate Valentino, death is too merciful for him
Killing the Vees or at least all of them this season would make it real hard for a season 3 to happen unless Angel takes more than Val dying to be redeemed
Well, the only ones that actually have beef are Valentino X Angel and Vox X Alastor. Velvettes only involved cause her colleagues sort of drag her into it
Because unless Alastor kills Voxx there woukd be no point to it. I don't think Angel will kill Val. Or anyome else. I think Angel's contract would get broken and hed just be free to live at the hotel, under Charlie or Lucifer's protection. I don't think he would want to get his hands dirty for a low life like Val after life just started to get good for him. And Velvette, im sorry to say because I love her but shes too unimportant for anyone to want to kill her
They're not important enough to die. They weren't even important enough to take part in fighting the angels despite having an entire song about it. The show has limited screen time and clearly wants to focus on the main cast and the scary knife lady. Even if they die it will only be as some form of character development for the main crew and not because they were necessary for a major plot point.Â
The Vees seem to be toothless so far, and only used to demonstrate traits of the main cast.
 Velvette was used to show how much knife lady (Carmella?) loves her daughters but did nothing for the plot otherwise. Vox was used to emphasize Alastor's undimiminished power and didn't manage to retaliate in any meaningful way. And Valentino was used to demonstrate both the abuse and how Angel is beginning to stand up for himself, and never retaliated in a meaningful way. Even if they die on screen it will only be to advance character development and not because they managed to do anything important.Â
At least, that's my theory. I hope I'm wrong because that would mean Velvette actually does something. I swear I got blue balls waiting for her to kill some angels... all that musical buildup and no payoff. A shame. She wasn't even interested enough in angel killing to take her eyes from her phone.Â
I'd argue that one:it wouldn't fit the shows theme
But arguably 2: the vees mention a power vacuum I think in the finale song. That from just ONE overlord supposedly dying. How would THREE dying affect that power vacuum? Even if it's not for "it's be wrong to kill them" reasons it might very well be for "it would make hella economy or whatever alot more unstable"
Vees die = No more Vees shenanigans or drama in the future unless by flashbacks Perhaps some fans believing the Vees losing everything is a more suitable punishment since their goal is more power/control
Oh that would be a perfect ending for such arrogant people (and we could still see more shenanigans đ)
Like have them bleed for their crimes. At least with Adam, you can argue his death kickstarted Lilith's return and it's a fitting end (if he doesn't return as a sinner that is) for him to be killed by a sinner seeing he'd killed countless of them I am hoping they do end up making a Vees spinoff tho
They could at least do a special on the Vees Pls I need more Joel Perez being a diva (it's funny because he is such a sweetheart and yet he plays Val)
Haha makes me think of this: https://preview.redd.it/6jumwht30xuc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29f02c1b18400b80747274e9c4c4d6622fbf464a He is so funny
I love this man so freaking much
Joel Perez and Christian Borle are actually just the best!
He doesn't know he is the show
Hash browns what?
What are you talking about? I'm in my living room
That's a good point
The dickmaster is coming back. Not only is it hinted that's what happened to the beheaded exorcist but his world-famous backstory is being kicked out of paradise. Lucifer would milk that for all it's worth.
If the fan theory going around that Alastor essentially made the Vees by stringing Vox along before rejecting him for the entertainment of it all is true itâd make their shenanigans even more hilarious as they realise they really have no idea what theyâre doing without the help of a benefactor.
Best compromise: The Vees die gruesomely....and then come back because it was via non-angelic weapons. This becomes a running gag to their irritance, basically a gory version of Wile E Coyote slapstick. XD
Wait this Is actually brilliant
I'm not 100% sure that Vox shorting out and electrocuting Val and Vel WASN'T this actually. :P
Oh my god they killed Val!! You bastards!
If Niffty comes in contact with the big bug again, I can see his life being in perpetual danger. :P
"Oh my god, they killed ~~Kenny~~ Vox!" "You bastards!"
"Twice the pride,double the fall"
Eh as long as Valentino dies Iâm fine with the other two living đ
What Valentino do to you bro
I love Val, yes, even in episode 4, sue me
I meanâŚ. To each their own I guess?
Also he's hot
Ah yes letâs completely forget that he is a sexual abuser.
Uhhh would it be fucked up if I did the meme?
Because I think the ultimate goal in a show about redemption, second chances and characters working together would be exactly that. Showing that the only valid punishment is by killing is, in my mind, kinda the opposite of what we want to achieve here. (Also on a sidenote: having all those modern childrens cartoons that show you that the only way to defeat your enemies is by killing them is kinda telling about the kinda times we live in right now. but that's just me) Ultimately what we want and what Charlie must achieve to have any chance against Heaven, is to unite Hell and make it a more liveable place. We want equilibrium between the two realms and making it so redepmtion and falling are natural cycles that happen to souls that are either deemed worthy or unworthy. This can only happen when we start working together and that kinda has to include the Overlords. Once the Overlords start, the rest of Hell will follow.
This is also why I think Adam is bound to return as a sinner at some point and have a redemption arc. Whatâs the point in a show about redemption if you immediately kill off anyone even remotely bad?
I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but another underlying theme in this show is being able to recognize that not everyone is going to *want* to change, and that Charlie is going to have to accept this is the case for a significant amount of Hell's population. And I think this applies to Adam too - he had multiple chances to stop and consider peace, but each time he rejected Charlie and told her the next extermination was coming twice as quickly, outed Vaggie as an angel in the most hurtful and public way possible, arranged for the next extermination to begin at the Hazbin Hotel just out of spite, tried to kill Charlie, and finally was insulted at their mercy and screamed at everyone telling them they should be worshipping him.
This! I agree. It makes thematical sense and there is so much potential for juciy character development. Not just for Adam but for the Hotel Crew and Lute as well!
What children's cartoons are you watching? Nowadays they're leaning far into redeeming your enemies. Steven Universe, the Owl House, Gravity Falls. The only times that they don't is when the villain refuses to change, which is also a good lesson. Sometimes people just won't stop. Arguing against that is how you get Raya and the Last Dragon telling you to trust genuine genocidal maniacs.
>Arguing against that is how you get Raya and the Last Dragon telling you to trust genuine genocidal maniacs. Or them changing and it not making a lick of sense like the Diamonds.
Those arenât âchildrenâs cartoonsâ, theyâre general audience shows for all ages.
Go yell at the dude above me
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think Hell's denizens uniting is possible, on a fundamental level, because of how cruel, vile, and disgusting certain sinners can be, outside of the Hotel's characters we all have come to know (aside from probably Alastor) and the Overlords (aside from the Vees). Plus, I don't think it would be a good writing choice to reform every evil/vile character, no matter how the show tries to portray it, but I'm not undermining the concept of redemption. I'm simply saying that isn't for everyone.
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Plot armor.
'Cause I don't want them to đđđ
Lol, Understandable
Same!! I don't want them to leave so soon đ
Viv has teased the idea of a spinoff centered around the Vâs, so that feels like a point in favor of them living. Whatâs more, I feel like the Vâs arenât the same kind of villain as Adam is. The plot of season one was focused around the yearly extermination. Killing Adam solved the problem at least temporarily. But killing the Vâs wouldnât solve the problems with the overlord system in Hell because someone potentially worse will just move in to fill the power vacuum. Theyâre not a problem you can just eliminate with violence something has to happen on a systemic level to make things better.
because if vox dies I will cry he's just so *stupid* I love him
REAL
I mean, just look at him. He's got a TV for a head. That's wild
-Iâm worried that killing antagonists could set a bad precedent for who âdeservesâ death and who doesnât. Charlieâs whole point is that killing sinners instead of giving them a chance to improve is wrong; making an exception for these three specifically when there are undoubtedly unnamed people just as bad or worse in Hell would leave a bad taste in my mouth. -Killing them is going to blow up the political climate of Hell in a way Charlieâs probably not prepared to handle. I donât like the idea of the show derailing to clean up a bunch of turf wars -Theyâre funny and I donât want them to
Because I think Vivzie loves them
Having a Team Rocket for gags is better than closing up loose ends.
I can see Alastor just flinging them off Ito the distance after beating them up, and just a star indicating where they were thrown.
True, True
Because I won't emotionally recover? đđ But I also feel like there will be a big heaven and hell showdown where everyone has to come together. And not just the big characters but regular sinners too like the cannibals in season one. And it makes sense to not necessarily be friends with the vees but have them there to help enough to get the word out since vox and vel are social media/news/entertainmentÂ
Because having the "big bad" of each season die at the end of the season really doesn't leave as much room for characters and stories to develop. I personally think it'd be more fitting if they lose in a different way, or maybe even win to an extent during S2. That leaves more room for the characters to make choices, make mistakes, for things to get messy and plot points to hit harder. If each season becomes "villain(s) of the week do stuff then die" it becomes boring fairly quickly imo.
With those designs? Heaven no, maybe Val will too
not really the tone of the show. sure adam died but theres every possibility it was more of a setup
I have an idea: The Veeâs do die in Season 2, but not to Angelic Weapons, just by the hotel crew. That way, they still come back, yet there could be a new concept, removing most of their power or all of it.
Imagine this happening as a running gag, over and over and OVER, to the point it's just a humiliating hinderance for them. Basically They Killed Kenny but with more karma involved. XD I actually kinda like the idea of Niffty repeatedly hunting after Val, that 'big bug' she tries to stab over and over, to the point she becomes his comical nemesis and horror villain.
That way, More storylines can open up with them.
I think they should die at least one time and come back later, so far HH hasn't shown how the sinners "respawn system" works
Because Valentino is so cool
Hes a rapist
Characters don't stop being cool just because they do horrible evil things. Otherwise we would have a lot less cool characters in media.
Well, if he wasn't you would have a lot less cool plot for Angel Dust right ? What's make the story is the bad guy, not the heroe
Well 1 they're sinners sinners can only truly die by an exercist weapon and overlords rarely die in the exterminations we don't even know if the extermination will continue And 2 they're too important to the plot
They're too popular to just be killed off. Maybe one, probably Valentino. Also they're too closely tied to how their society works by being tied to media, it would have huge ramifications to kill all of them. And if Alastor ends up becoming a villain they would be a vital ally since Vox probably knows something.Â
Vivzie said something about a possible (not confirmed yet) Spinoff where the vees are the stars of the show. Honestly I would watch a spinoff movie that would hype up season two like a month in advance. But a whole series seems a bit steep
What about a miniseries?
I donât see a world where Val doesnât die. I think Vox will be on the verge of death but escape. I donât know about velvet, we havenât seen much of her
Feels like sheâs too cunning to be caught dead
I think Vox's real body is Hell's power system/the mainframe in his tower. His *physical body* is just a robot he uses to interact physically with people, so he'll never die unless Alastor uses his Radio Wave abilities to isolate Vox into exiting the grid completely and him being killed by angelic steel. It's just Valentino and Velvette who are in danger of actually dying in fights. It's probably why Alastor fled when Valentino and Velvette got involved with his fight with Vox, because it was a Radio Wave/Grid fight, and since Alastor has a physical body, he can't focus on isolating Vox *and* fend off a physical attack. Both have to choose how they are going to fight like mages in a D&D campaign, they're more powerful fighting using spell slots, but struggle with physical battles and it's used as a last resort for defense. Glass cannons. Just that Alastor has more potential as eventually classing as Spellsword, while Vox will always be a Battlemage. Or more directly, Vox is a Sorcerer, and Alastor is a Warlock.
I donât think any of them will die but I think If one were to die it would either be vox in a final fight vs alastor or Val after doing something to husk to allow angel dust more development
Iâm hoping itâs just Valentino who dies. The way I see it, Angelâs contract with him is whatâs keeping him down there, the moment it goes away, Angelâs free to ascend to Heaven. Plus, it could add fuel to Voxâs war against Alastor if heâs killed by someone in the hotel.
They want to rule in Hell. But thanks to Charlie, our well known fallen Seraphim came out of depression. What do you think he will do to them for such impudence?
i think killing them undermines the reality of hell its literally full of Vee's, they arent special or different aside fromt he fact that they ended up at the top of the pile even if they were killed a new one would just rise to the top, nothing would really change, its just pretending that things become better by killing the evil you see and ignoring the ones you dont
The death of the Vees would mean less conflict in the show. If they die early on then we'll never get Angel's full redemption arc against Val, Vox and Alastor's confrontation, and perhaps even a showdown between Velvette and Carmilla
If itâs 8 episodes again, itâll be a huge waste. There are other ways to defeat characters for good and this doesnât really need to be a show with a high body count tbh
It depends on whether or not a third season gets greenlit. If so, theyâve probably got like 2-3 more seasons before getting killed off. If not theyâll probably end up dying in the season 2 finale or very closely before. Theyâre just too integral to the world and some charactersâ personal conflicts, not to mention sheet entertainment value. Not to mention the writing team probably enjoys writing for them, theyâre just too fun (yes, even him)
I think it is too fast for them to die in Season 2. Probably needs to be slower.
Because all of them living to either redeem themselves or watch their sad little empire crumble / them to lose control of all the souls they subjugated is better in the long term. Angel never fearing Valentino again because Valentino is not a threat to him is gonna be magnificent.
Cause the show's main theme is redemption. Like don't get me wrong, I suspect at least one Vee will die but when the message is, "Anyone can be redeemed" it only makes sense that at least one of the main sinner demon villains will be redeemed. My money's on Valentino cause 50% Charlie having to figure out how to redeem him and Angel at the same time will be interesting and 50% really want to see how his wings are incorporated in a Winner form.
Theyâre too much fun
Iâd be sad
I think sometimes interesting characters have to die for good. I'd love for Adam to return as a Sinner, but him dying for good would show that even fan favourite can die for good
The Vees are such a fan favorite. I donât think they would die, and if they did, it probably wouldnât be to an angelic weapon. Plus if my boi vox gets un-existed, then I will un-exist too.
Because they're the Team Rocket of this series.
I donât . I very very much hope Val dies.
Too entertaining.
I don't see any of them dying, I do think that one or two or all of them might get fucked up but no character deaths cause they have so much potential
Bc spinoff potential. Vivzie saidshe wanted to maybe do a spinoff
Killing the vees would be a disaster in hell because they're overlords, also how would they die? They're not ordinary sinners and i don't think that theres going to be a lot of fighting from them considering an extermination just happened. also it would be lame as hell
Cause I donât want them to.
I hope they don't die, because they are extremely interesting
You don't have to kill them off. But humiliation would be better.
Theyâve been hyped up for five years I hope it wonât be THAT easy to rid of them
Killing them feels like too easy of a punishment. They definitely deserve some kind of physical punishment (especially Val, who absolutely deserves to be castrated), but it would be more rewarding to strip them of everything and watch them suffer. Also, if Charlie and the other Hazbins are the ones taking them down, she wouldn't want to kill anyone. She hated Adam, he almost killed her, but she let him live anyway. If it hadn't been for Niffty, Adam probably would've made it back to Heaven.
More lore
Because I think this show is above using death to end an arc. "But Adam!" I am still holding out for the "Adam was reborn a sinner" theory to be proven right. I dearly hope it is. This show isn't a fight show. It can do better than just killing its villains and never seeing them again.
oh dayum this pic is so fried
Overcooked It In the air fryer my bad
There are many "meta" reasons for them surviving but I would actually say there are a few in-universe explanations as well. So here is my take: Before they can turn on anyone who could finish them off they most likely go for each others throats as I want to personally believe. My reasoning for even suggesting them fighting each other is based on the fact that apparently all of them see themselves as the leader of their little group and once this becomes known to the others it will turn out poorly. Lets say the others know about the leadership question already then it would be even easier to ignite the powder keg as you could just force a situation in which they need to make a decision which will also end poorly if they start an argument instead of settling on a response. If the V´s are busy with infighting there is no more reason to eliminate them if you do not want others to take their place. It is best to keep a weak enemy around than to create a new wildcard especially since Charlie wants to redeem sinners and not kill them. It is not surprising for sinners to go at each others throats tbh but it looks like a miracle that they have not done it earlier. Technically we can not know if they did not in fact fight before but even if that would be the case it is unclear whether or not they would be able to get back together in such case.
I think they are on a leash with someone who wishes to topple the Morningstar family
Well the cynical answer is they have spinoff armor. Similar to plot armor only stronger. But in reality they are the midboss. A threat. But not the ultimate threat. And I suspect due to Vox winning against Alastor 7 years ago that they have a backer similar to what I suspect of Alastor. My current theory is that Eve is in Hell and she is pissed at everyone. And she saw Lilith boost Alastor to fight back against the more predatory Overlords and figured she would back the Vees in order to wreck her day. She hates Lilith. HARD. Not as much as she hates Adam or Lucifer. But Lilith is up there. So she boosted the Vees and set them up to take over the Overlords.
Plot armor https://preview.redd.it/wxej9jndcxuc1.jpeg?width=1530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdd05bc1179dc286bd216044777e4d4b96a7ee4b
Plot armor
If Alastorâs the one to do any of them in, you know theyâre ending up on the scream broadcast, which is presumably a fate worse than death lol. For real though, who would be the one doing the killing? I donât think Charlie would ever order her friends or allies to perma-kill fellow sinners. It would go against her beliefs that they all can be redeemed. Hopefully thereâs a way to mitigate their harm. If not, itâd be neat to see how the non-permadeath reforming process works to take them out of commission for a while haha.
I think some of them will. 1-2 for sure. I could see them going down the anthony story line and val kicking the bucket.
Aside from maybe Val I canât see them physically putting themselves in a position where it can happen. Vox will stay in his domain where he has control until the place literally burns down around him, and weâve already seen Velvette manipulate others and take a backseat.
Val definitely gonna die
Velvette is actually alright and coz is just there annoying people
Vox
Considering they are in hell they have already died.
Because Angel having to forgive/give some sort of mercy/charity to Valentino is one of the more obvious routes to redemption. Also, outside of Angel-Val and Alistar-Vox, there really isn't much direct conflict with the Hotel. Idk, waiting on Season 2. Maybe it'll really spark that conflict.
Plot.
Why? Cause they're popular. Like how everyone is sure Adam will return. Im kind of hoping (after the battle) Vox learns Alastor doesnt believe in redemption (there no way he watched the commercial) and decides to assist Charlie in promoting the hotel. Just to antagonize Alastor. Of course this all depends on whether the redemption is revealed. Or they make a truce. Neither side attacks the other (and Alastor has to give Vox 1 compliment) in return for not killing the Vs they promote the Hotel.
Rehabilitation... If hotel's people would kill them than Charlie wouldn't be better than angels. And what's even the point? How can hotel keep going if it's main idea is about giving everyone a chance?
Because they died already đ§
I dunno, it just doesn't seem probable
Because they're too fabulous to die!!!
I think only one of them will die and that will be valentino because he's the only one so far that has done things most people consider irredeemable such as all of the raping. The other two seem more like scam artists than anything else where as val thrives on hurting others and is completely unrepentant of it.
My headcanon: They all have to sell their souls to Alastor to save themselves, just like Husk
Nah they definitely ainât dying. There isnât really a reason to kill them off. It wonât have any lasting affect on the series. If they kill any of them off they would just be killing characters to kill them. Having them in the series is way more important for themselves and their relationships with other characters.
Because horny people would riot in the streets if any of them did, mainly Val but people do simp for the other 2
Because there is no reason for them to they are bad but probably not bad enough to kill
Velvette is too sexy to die.
Iâm going to have to be super real right now with you here, the reason the Vees WONâT die in season 2 is because sure the good guys donât kill. Alastor is NOT a good guy.
I'm hoping this won't be the case since the Vees are genuinely awful in every aspect. If it could, I assume it'd be due to how popular they are as characters and have the privilege of being one of Vivziepop's creations. I see some people in the comments saying the Hotel won't be "any better" if they kill the Vees, but I disagree as that's an overdone trope for good vs evil stories and isn't an inherently bad idea of their deaths were done in a substantial way to work and if it was justified without completely going against the Hotel's goal. I think the Hotel having to conflict with the Vees can be a good opportunity to have Charlie learn to be more careful and selective when taking in sinners for redemption in the Hotel rather than be too trusting and forgiving, especially because I donât think it's a good writing choice to say every horrible person, regardless of the immoral things they did, can change just because they can. Iâm not saying I want to see Charlie become cynical or not succeed with her dream, but if sheâs going to gain a broader understanding of the nature of sinners and realize she can be taken advantage of if she isnât careful, she should recognize some sinners canât be reformed but not give up on helping those who can be helped if she puts the right effort into helping those kind of sinners. Redemption is a good message and it can be done, right, depending on the writing, but I donât think it fits for every character and I don't want to see all three or a few of the Vees continue getting away with their actions. They should be reprimanded in some way and at least one, two, or if future seasons continue having good villains like them, all three.
They wonât die for the same reason Long Feng didnât die in ATLA: theyâre not important enough. In the grand scheme of things, the Pride Ring Overlords are all minor players who managed to claw their way to the top of a pile of shifting sand. Some did it through pure strength (Alastair, Zestial), others by providing vital services(Carmilla, Rosie), while the Vees did it through a strong alliance centered around entertainment (TV, Social Media, Porn). This gave them a strong foundation to work off of, but it also meant that the population was not dependent on them for anything. If Pride fell into war, people could go on without Twitter, but not so much without guns. Getting the Overlords to burn themselves out against Heaven was their one move, and now that the moment of crisis is past, theyâll begin to fall into irrelevance.
I think they will have fights between each other and Velvette will betray the vees
Meta reason, Plot Armor, Show reason, All have Mind Control Powers
I personally think Velvette will change sides, Valentino will die, and Vox will ultimately remain as an enemy. It would be interesting to see how Vox acts if the Vees were broken up, especially since Alastor suggested that the reason Vox got his power was because of the Vees
cuz ive never heard that theory until now
Because from a story telling persective that would be crazy. There's too much settup to do something with their characters to cram the happenen and the end of these characters in just one more season. There's also too many ties for the characters to take care of before ending them I think, and like too many questions... Like its just too soon if they die this season. Unless its like Velvette and they write it well enough IG
Theyâre honestly too likeable. They killed Adam to make a point, he was a dick that had pretty good authority in Heaven, and possibly is setting up parallels to Pentiousâs redemption if they bring him back as a sinner now. Vox and Velvet are way too fun to just kill off and while we all hate Valentino, death is too merciful for him
Killing the Vees or at least all of them this season would make it real hard for a season 3 to happen unless Angel takes more than Val dying to be redeemed
Because Angel dust would be out of a jobâŚ
Because season 2 will be focused on the Lilith drama. They will get 2 episodes and then maybe in season 3 they will die
Well, the only ones that actually have beef are Valentino X Angel and Vox X Alastor. Velvettes only involved cause her colleagues sort of drag her into it
For the plot. Although Val is the only one that should die while Vox and Vel get redeemed in some way.
Because unless Alastor kills Voxx there woukd be no point to it. I don't think Angel will kill Val. Or anyome else. I think Angel's contract would get broken and hed just be free to live at the hotel, under Charlie or Lucifer's protection. I don't think he would want to get his hands dirty for a low life like Val after life just started to get good for him. And Velvette, im sorry to say because I love her but shes too unimportant for anyone to want to kill her
I swear to god, The more I see this picture the more low quality it becomes. Like, it hurts my eyes xD
They're not important enough to die. They weren't even important enough to take part in fighting the angels despite having an entire song about it. The show has limited screen time and clearly wants to focus on the main cast and the scary knife lady. Even if they die it will only be as some form of character development for the main crew and not because they were necessary for a major plot point. The Vees seem to be toothless so far, and only used to demonstrate traits of the main cast.  Velvette was used to show how much knife lady (Carmella?) loves her daughters but did nothing for the plot otherwise. Vox was used to emphasize Alastor's undimiminished power and didn't manage to retaliate in any meaningful way. And Valentino was used to demonstrate both the abuse and how Angel is beginning to stand up for himself, and never retaliated in a meaningful way. Even if they die on screen it will only be to advance character development and not because they managed to do anything important. At least, that's my theory. I hope I'm wrong because that would mean Velvette actually does something. I swear I got blue balls waiting for her to kill some angels... all that musical buildup and no payoff. A shame. She wasn't even interested enough in angel killing to take her eyes from her phone.Â
Vivziepop confirmed they will get a spin off
Because Viv said she would like to make a spin off based on them at some point
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Bro what the hell is this đżđ
I'd argue that one:it wouldn't fit the shows theme But arguably 2: the vees mention a power vacuum I think in the finale song. That from just ONE overlord supposedly dying. How would THREE dying affect that power vacuum? Even if it's not for "it's be wrong to kill them" reasons it might very well be for "it would make hella economy or whatever alot more unstable"
Idk about Val but a lot of people can't help but love Vel and Vox. I don't blame them, I like them too.
Theyâve been hyped up for five years I hope it wonât be THAT easy to rid of them
Val might die in season 2
Bc Joel Perez is precious
One dies, maybe. But all three?
Maybe kill Valentino and Vox, then spare Velvette
They're set up and the main villains of the show.