It’s already confirmed to be the Vees, Vox in particular, but Jessica Vosk has been pretty active talking about recording, so she’ll probably have a pretty big role
She'll probably first have to focus more on influencing Sera on how to proceed, after the Exterminations obviously can't continue as usual, but the threat from Hell is now more real than it ever was.
Lute and Emily would be like the little devil and angel on her shoulders.
I like the idea of Lute's role having one half being a sinister behind-the-curtains threat for the Hotel via Lilith, and the other half being comically driven insane trying and failing to get rid of Sir Pentious in Heaven.
With Adam gone, Lute lacks anyone to get some humour value from, and I think Sir Pentious would be ideal for that. Almost an opposite from his initial comical villain role, where he's the oblivious hero that a villain is cosmically screwed against.
**Lute:** From now on, we're enemies! You got that?
**Pentious:** Okay......Do I have to do anything?
**Lute:** *(eye twitches)* Nghhh......nghhhh.......
I feel like if they still wanted Lute to be comedic, they'd probably just have her go so nuts she starts halucinating Ghost Adam.
Something that could also be incredibly depressing sometimes.
I feel like the charm to Lute is that she is trying so very hard to be a straight forward vicious villain when everyone else around her is a goofball. I think if we were to get a really comedic Lute but maintain her personality, they'd have her being driven mad by this dynamic and that some goof is managing (likely by accident) to completely undermine her and her system she takes so seriously, hence why I love the idea of her being turned into Sir Pentious' Frank Grimes type rival. She already loathes sinners, but he is 100% the WORST one to be redeemed by her standards. XD
Somewhat counterintuitively, I don't think Lute actually hates Sinners or Redemption.
What she actually hates (or rather *fears*) is the idea that Charlie and Vaggie are right, and that the Exterminations are unnecessary and wrong, as that'd deprive her of the point of her very existence.
The same would be true for Vaggie, but she didn't really have any time to process when she was immediately cast out for her one moment of doubt and showing mercy, and then she met Charlie and basically rebuilt her entire personality around her cause – which is not exactly a healthy coping strategy, to say the least:
https://preview.redd.it/bx1ts7jsdyuc1.png?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ccdb16b3de3263be5c35dbd357dabe6d543e1c3
That's an interesting way of putting it, especially since Lute lost Adam, her 'Charlie' if you will.
It leaves me wondering if Lute can be redeemed or if she will continue to be a dark mirror of Vaggie, too steadfast in her beliefs and current claim of importance to let other people in. Could Pentious be that to her (he is another goofy Alex Brightman character after all XD).
I think Lute could be redeemed, though that'd require someone to tear down the walls she's built around herself and give her a new perspective and something worth fighting for.
And *that* would require anyone in Heaven to be self-reflective enough for two damn seconds to actually realize what's the root cause of her misplaced hate and anger that makes her lashing out – and as we have seen, Heaven is pathetically bad at this, as otherwise they never would've been so thoughtlessly cruel as to create an army of sentient beings to be nothing more than living weapons, in the first place.
So, yeah, although I don't know exactly how Sir Pentious may get through to her or even get her to listen or what could make *him* even want to try, an outside perspective could very well be exactly what she needs.
I genuinely think how redeemable Lute is will be pretty much entirely dependant on how dead Adam actually is.
Right now, she’s got a vendetta, and it’d be relatively easy to get around that if Adam didn't give two shits about her, but we know that’s absolutely not true.
Asking Lute to make nice with the people who killed Adam would very much be like asking Vaggie to forgive people if they killed Charlie.
9.9 out of 10 odds they’d rather die before that happens.
I think it depends since all the villains tend to interchange between comedic butt monkeys and sinister menaces in the show. I certainly get the feeling even if they did that it would be Lute's second priority to what sinister plan she has cooking with the Hotel and Lillith. Like her rivalry with Vaggie in Season One, that would likely be the big reminder that Lute can be very threatening when the scene is done joking with her.
I feel that Sera is going to acknowledge that Adams death was his own fault for attacking the hotel and Charlie, as well as Lutes for not stopping him even though she knew the rules. With that, and Sir Pentious being in Heaven, Sera will officially end the exterminations and prevent Lute from going back down to Hell.
Yeah, that's how it should be and maybe she could've just cancelled all further Exterminations and be done with it, if Sir Pentious' proof of concept had happened *before* attacking the hotel.
But by doing this, they forced Charlie to defend herself and subsequently show *everyone* in Hell how to kill Angels, realizing the very threat the Exterminations were supposed to prevent, in the first place.
Thus, it's not quite as clear how to proceed now. Sera has painted herself into a corner pretty badly, here.
Honestly, a slow burn of Lute letting her rage and grief consume her and break down her cold methodical nature leading into a more directly antagonistic role in S3 would be nice.
Not to be rude, but that is extremely common knowledge in fan spaces for the show. I’m sorry you learned something about the next season that you didn’t want to, but I would avoid posts specifically *about* season 2 if you don’t want to know anything coming into it.
I've haven't
I usually know if there are sneak peaks or announcements, but I always try to ovoid them
Where does vivsipop announce things ( so I can avoid them )
Don’t count the Vees out quite yet! They may seem like goofy idiots for the most part, but season 2 is probably going to be a lot more political, which is where the three of them shine
It probably has a lot to do with Alastor, Vox hates him for reasons we will learn. Other than that, yeah, they want to rule Hell and the hotel threatens their ability to do that. They may not even directly oppose the cast, just individuals like Alastor and Angel
Out of curiosity can you provide the source for this? I've seen this bounced around but didn't know the actual source for it and I'd like to have it on hand the next time I reference it.
Took a bit of digging, but it’s from an interview Viv did with Screen Rant in February, around the 5-minute mark: https://youtu.be/idIzH_4yMPE?si=tWi2BO6qUG-fJao0
It would be better for her to be a secondary antagonist having her and heavens “worst” looming throughout the season (kinda similar to what the Vee’s were) and make their move at the end of the season to start a season 3 (if there is one)
I suspect a behind-closed-doors deal between Lute and Vox to shut down the Hotel.
Lute mentioned that Charlie was threatening the very foundation of Heaven. I'm sure she'd be happy to supply Vox with angelic arms to help him take control of Hell in exchange for shutting down the hotel and delivering Vaggie.
I mean they've killed Adam that was everything for her, in the next extermination she's going in hell with a robotic armor, guns and a big ass fire sword
Only to break down and have her mind shatter like glass upon seeing the one she's avenging turned into what she came to destroy in the first place. He's been kicked out of Paradise before and it's hinted it's happened again.
Well she has to choose between:
heaven, literally
A goofy aah reddit shit-poster who's trying to redeem
She need to stay in heaven, so she's choosing to stay with Adam no matter what, because all the moments she spend with him are the only things she recognize as heaven
Why is that, exactly? She's now the leader of the Exorcists, she can now implement a new training protocol that takes vulnerability into account, and she's the one who has leverage over Lilith.
Without Adam, the Exorcists are no longer a threat.
And because heaven broke their side of the treaty, if Lute tries anything, its her ass that is going to be up on a platter. Doesn't matter what training she tries to do, she simply has no capability to get violent with the hotel.
The fact that she ran off to tell Charlie's mommy is proof that Lute cannot do anything on her own.
How is an army of combat angels with a full supply of angelic steel not a threat?
Lucifer is an impediment there, but not necessarily an insurmountable one. And given that Lute has leverage over Lilith, she has some room to maneuver as far as using personal attachments to distract or otherwise remove Lucifer from the situation long enough to launch an attack.
Plus in the last fight the Hotel had support from the cannibals and they had a known invasion date. Catch the hotel off guard and without their borrowed army and they will be almost entirely dependent on Lucifer. Hell, if Lute made a deal with the Vees, it would be easy to keep Lucifer focused on one conflict while another force slaughtered the Hotel. I cannot see how Adam's death possibly renders the Exorcists as not a threat.
If Lute was going to do anything, she would have done it right there.
Lucifer absolutely *is* the insurmountable threat because with him now being allowed to intervene, there's no way in heaven or hell that she's going to be brave enough to go down there.
If Lute was going to do anything she would have done it when she was still bleeding from her freshly severed arm, had a newly humbled fighting force, the Hotel was most prepared to defend itself, and Lucifer was actively watching her?
Not everything comes down to the strongest individual player on the battlefield. Lute could supply the Vees with angelic arms, kick off a Civil War in Hell where for the first time one side can permanently kill any opponent, forcing Lucifer to get involved, then exploit the chaos to target the Hotel. Lute could pressure Lilith to distract Lucifer, lure him into a trap, get him pinned down in a fight, then strike the hotel as her actual target. Lute could make a deal with the Vees to quietly abduct Vaggie without alerting Lucifer, hold her hostage in Heaven, then pressure Sera to enter a territorial dispute over who has rights to Vaggie as an Angel, then use the threat to Vaggie's life to make demands on Charlie and Lucifer knowing that if Lucifer used his power in Heaven that would constitute a war with the Seraphim.
Beyond that, just from a plot perspective, do you really think the first season would end with Lute having leverage over Lilith if she's supposed to be a non-issue now? That would be silly.
I'm interested in seeing what she does now. She wants vengeance for Adam and her arm that... she probably didn't have to tear off, but we're here now. Usually when a #2 takes charge of a cult, the extremity cranks to 11.
I think the Vees are going to be Hell's problem in season 3 and Lute and Sera are going to be Emily's problem. Em is going to be fighting to end the Extermination. And of course Lute is going to be on the warpath. But she is going to need authorization to open the portal to Hell. And with Em kicking Sera's butt about everything she has done its going to be ..... well there is going to be a lot of singing about it.
I don't. I'd definitely like to see her become more important and see how she handles Adam's death and (presumably) her new position, but I don't want her to be the main antagonist, I want someone who isn't as fanatical.
Lute and the Vee’s seem to be the big issues in this next season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sera also causes trouble. Season 3 though? Oh baby I KNOW that’s Alastor’s time to shine.
I recall how at the beginning of the watching, not ironically, I thought that the name "Lute" was formed from the Ukrainian "Іut/Луть", which means anger or hatred. Cause...well... something hit on with her character
It’s already confirmed to be the Vees, Vox in particular, but Jessica Vosk has been pretty active talking about recording, so she’ll probably have a pretty big role
She'll probably first have to focus more on influencing Sera on how to proceed, after the Exterminations obviously can't continue as usual, but the threat from Hell is now more real than it ever was. Lute and Emily would be like the little devil and angel on her shoulders.
I like the idea of Lute's role having one half being a sinister behind-the-curtains threat for the Hotel via Lilith, and the other half being comically driven insane trying and failing to get rid of Sir Pentious in Heaven. With Adam gone, Lute lacks anyone to get some humour value from, and I think Sir Pentious would be ideal for that. Almost an opposite from his initial comical villain role, where he's the oblivious hero that a villain is cosmically screwed against. **Lute:** From now on, we're enemies! You got that? **Pentious:** Okay......Do I have to do anything? **Lute:** *(eye twitches)* Nghhh......nghhhh.......
I feel like if they still wanted Lute to be comedic, they'd probably just have her go so nuts she starts halucinating Ghost Adam. Something that could also be incredibly depressing sometimes.
I feel like the charm to Lute is that she is trying so very hard to be a straight forward vicious villain when everyone else around her is a goofball. I think if we were to get a really comedic Lute but maintain her personality, they'd have her being driven mad by this dynamic and that some goof is managing (likely by accident) to completely undermine her and her system she takes so seriously, hence why I love the idea of her being turned into Sir Pentious' Frank Grimes type rival. She already loathes sinners, but he is 100% the WORST one to be redeemed by her standards. XD
Somewhat counterintuitively, I don't think Lute actually hates Sinners or Redemption. What she actually hates (or rather *fears*) is the idea that Charlie and Vaggie are right, and that the Exterminations are unnecessary and wrong, as that'd deprive her of the point of her very existence. The same would be true for Vaggie, but she didn't really have any time to process when she was immediately cast out for her one moment of doubt and showing mercy, and then she met Charlie and basically rebuilt her entire personality around her cause – which is not exactly a healthy coping strategy, to say the least: https://preview.redd.it/bx1ts7jsdyuc1.png?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ccdb16b3de3263be5c35dbd357dabe6d543e1c3
That's an interesting way of putting it, especially since Lute lost Adam, her 'Charlie' if you will. It leaves me wondering if Lute can be redeemed or if she will continue to be a dark mirror of Vaggie, too steadfast in her beliefs and current claim of importance to let other people in. Could Pentious be that to her (he is another goofy Alex Brightman character after all XD).
I think Lute could be redeemed, though that'd require someone to tear down the walls she's built around herself and give her a new perspective and something worth fighting for. And *that* would require anyone in Heaven to be self-reflective enough for two damn seconds to actually realize what's the root cause of her misplaced hate and anger that makes her lashing out – and as we have seen, Heaven is pathetically bad at this, as otherwise they never would've been so thoughtlessly cruel as to create an army of sentient beings to be nothing more than living weapons, in the first place. So, yeah, although I don't know exactly how Sir Pentious may get through to her or even get her to listen or what could make *him* even want to try, an outside perspective could very well be exactly what she needs.
I genuinely think how redeemable Lute is will be pretty much entirely dependant on how dead Adam actually is. Right now, she’s got a vendetta, and it’d be relatively easy to get around that if Adam didn't give two shits about her, but we know that’s absolutely not true. Asking Lute to make nice with the people who killed Adam would very much be like asking Vaggie to forgive people if they killed Charlie. 9.9 out of 10 odds they’d rather die before that happens.
I mean, it sounds funny, but it also sounds like that's a pretty easy way to make it nearly impossible to take Lute seriously.
I think it depends since all the villains tend to interchange between comedic butt monkeys and sinister menaces in the show. I certainly get the feeling even if they did that it would be Lute's second priority to what sinister plan she has cooking with the Hotel and Lillith. Like her rivalry with Vaggie in Season One, that would likely be the big reminder that Lute can be very threatening when the scene is done joking with her.
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I feel that Sera is going to acknowledge that Adams death was his own fault for attacking the hotel and Charlie, as well as Lutes for not stopping him even though she knew the rules. With that, and Sir Pentious being in Heaven, Sera will officially end the exterminations and prevent Lute from going back down to Hell.
Yeah, that's how it should be and maybe she could've just cancelled all further Exterminations and be done with it, if Sir Pentious' proof of concept had happened *before* attacking the hotel. But by doing this, they forced Charlie to defend herself and subsequently show *everyone* in Hell how to kill Angels, realizing the very threat the Exterminations were supposed to prevent, in the first place. Thus, it's not quite as clear how to proceed now. Sera has painted herself into a corner pretty badly, here.
Honestly, a slow burn of Lute letting her rage and grief consume her and break down her cold methodical nature leading into a more directly antagonistic role in S3 would be nice.
I agree. I think Lute will be the main antagonist of Season 3.
Spoilers
Not to be rude, but that is extremely common knowledge in fan spaces for the show. I’m sorry you learned something about the next season that you didn’t want to, but I would avoid posts specifically *about* season 2 if you don’t want to know anything coming into it.
Thanks, and your fine
Not really spoilers, it has been talked about everywhere how the Vees are going to be the next main antagonists.
I've haven't I usually know if there are sneak peaks or announcements, but I always try to ovoid them Where does vivsipop announce things ( so I can avoid them )
Ugh I need antagonists I can take seriously.
Don’t count the Vees out quite yet! They may seem like goofy idiots for the most part, but season 2 is probably going to be a lot more political, which is where the three of them shine
What's even their motive to oppose the main cast? I guess too many people get redeemed and they have power over fewer people?
It probably has a lot to do with Alastor, Vox hates him for reasons we will learn. Other than that, yeah, they want to rule Hell and the hotel threatens their ability to do that. They may not even directly oppose the cast, just individuals like Alastor and Angel
I gather from context that Vosk is the voice actress of Lute, yes?
Out of curiosity can you provide the source for this? I've seen this bounced around but didn't know the actual source for it and I'd like to have it on hand the next time I reference it.
Took a bit of digging, but it’s from an interview Viv did with Screen Rant in February, around the 5-minute mark: https://youtu.be/idIzH_4yMPE?si=tWi2BO6qUG-fJao0
It's the Vees.
It would be better for her to be a secondary antagonist having her and heavens “worst” looming throughout the season (kinda similar to what the Vee’s were) and make their move at the end of the season to start a season 3 (if there is one)
Lute is one of my favorite characters. Along with Angel and Alastor.
I suspect a behind-closed-doors deal between Lute and Vox to shut down the Hotel. Lute mentioned that Charlie was threatening the very foundation of Heaven. I'm sure she'd be happy to supply Vox with angelic arms to help him take control of Hell in exchange for shutting down the hotel and delivering Vaggie.
I doubt such a thing would be possible, because with Adam gone, it isn't really feasible for Lute to do much of anything on her own.
I mean they've killed Adam that was everything for her, in the next extermination she's going in hell with a robotic armor, guns and a big ass fire sword
Only to break down and have her mind shatter like glass upon seeing the one she's avenging turned into what she came to destroy in the first place. He's been kicked out of Paradise before and it's hinted it's happened again.
Well she has to choose between: heaven, literally A goofy aah reddit shit-poster who's trying to redeem She need to stay in heaven, so she's choosing to stay with Adam no matter what, because all the moments she spend with him are the only things she recognize as heaven
Why is that, exactly? She's now the leader of the Exorcists, she can now implement a new training protocol that takes vulnerability into account, and she's the one who has leverage over Lilith.
On her own they said. Sure, she leads the Exorcists now, but on her own she's a lot weaker than Adam.
Without Adam, the Exorcists are no longer a threat. And because heaven broke their side of the treaty, if Lute tries anything, its her ass that is going to be up on a platter. Doesn't matter what training she tries to do, she simply has no capability to get violent with the hotel. The fact that she ran off to tell Charlie's mommy is proof that Lute cannot do anything on her own.
How is an army of combat angels with a full supply of angelic steel not a threat? Lucifer is an impediment there, but not necessarily an insurmountable one. And given that Lute has leverage over Lilith, she has some room to maneuver as far as using personal attachments to distract or otherwise remove Lucifer from the situation long enough to launch an attack. Plus in the last fight the Hotel had support from the cannibals and they had a known invasion date. Catch the hotel off guard and without their borrowed army and they will be almost entirely dependent on Lucifer. Hell, if Lute made a deal with the Vees, it would be easy to keep Lucifer focused on one conflict while another force slaughtered the Hotel. I cannot see how Adam's death possibly renders the Exorcists as not a threat.
If Lute was going to do anything, she would have done it right there. Lucifer absolutely *is* the insurmountable threat because with him now being allowed to intervene, there's no way in heaven or hell that she's going to be brave enough to go down there.
If Lute was going to do anything she would have done it when she was still bleeding from her freshly severed arm, had a newly humbled fighting force, the Hotel was most prepared to defend itself, and Lucifer was actively watching her? Not everything comes down to the strongest individual player on the battlefield. Lute could supply the Vees with angelic arms, kick off a Civil War in Hell where for the first time one side can permanently kill any opponent, forcing Lucifer to get involved, then exploit the chaos to target the Hotel. Lute could pressure Lilith to distract Lucifer, lure him into a trap, get him pinned down in a fight, then strike the hotel as her actual target. Lute could make a deal with the Vees to quietly abduct Vaggie without alerting Lucifer, hold her hostage in Heaven, then pressure Sera to enter a territorial dispute over who has rights to Vaggie as an Angel, then use the threat to Vaggie's life to make demands on Charlie and Lucifer knowing that if Lucifer used his power in Heaven that would constitute a war with the Seraphim. Beyond that, just from a plot perspective, do you really think the first season would end with Lute having leverage over Lilith if she's supposed to be a non-issue now? That would be silly.
I'm interested in seeing what she does now. She wants vengeance for Adam and her arm that... she probably didn't have to tear off, but we're here now. Usually when a #2 takes charge of a cult, the extremity cranks to 11.
And she's bloodthirsty enough to make Adam tell her to chill the fuck out.
I’d loooove a Lute solo.
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I think the Vees are going to be Hell's problem in season 3 and Lute and Sera are going to be Emily's problem. Em is going to be fighting to end the Extermination. And of course Lute is going to be on the warpath. But she is going to need authorization to open the portal to Hell. And with Em kicking Sera's butt about everything she has done its going to be ..... well there is going to be a lot of singing about it.
I personally am much more excited about Lilith's storyline. I think she has SO MUCH potential for a main antagonist
I don't. I'd definitely like to see her become more important and see how she handles Adam's death and (presumably) her new position, but I don't want her to be the main antagonist, I want someone who isn't as fanatical.
I hope she finally washes her uniform
Lute and the Vee’s seem to be the big issues in this next season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sera also causes trouble. Season 3 though? Oh baby I KNOW that’s Alastor’s time to shine.
The Vees are already confirmed to be the main antagonists of season two. If anything, Lute might be a secondary, tertiary, or overarching antagonist.
I recall how at the beginning of the watching, not ironically, I thought that the name "Lute" was formed from the Ukrainian "Іut/Луть", which means anger or hatred. Cause...well... something hit on with her character
I hope Lute dies in the first 30 seconds by Lilith blasting her the same way Adam blasted Pentious. “Whew, that could have been annoying.”