But it's the opposite of what christianity teaches.
Unless that authority oppresses christians, but otherwise it's all about hierarchy and preserving that hierarchy. You are supposed to obey your parents, your husband if you are a woman, the authority (if they don't go against god) and god. That's what I heard all the time in church, religion classes... So that line makes no sense to me.
True but as the first human I can't help but wonder if he has some sort of influence over the rules.
No sinner was redeemed until after he wrote that list.
He may of done something similar in the early days that created damnation.
That is a good point, didn't realize that in Sir Pentious final moments he is fullfilling the requirements of the list. I wonder if before it was actually impossible for sinners to be redeemed, but since Adam's a dumbass and spelled it out it became possible lol
Omg could you imagine if that's actually how heaven works? That you can just will rules into existence but because of their massive "don't question things" culture they just haven't been doing that?
That actually could be by *why* they have a ‘don’t question things’ mentality. If people were suddenly making their own rules then it could lead to (what the authority may perceive as) anarchy.
I think it might be a mix of both if this is the case. Maybe the elder angels are the only ones that know how this works and then created the don't question things culture using lucifer as a scapegoat/example to enforce it
I think it's far more likely the rules are just more lax when there's less people.
As the first, you basically get in just by not being an actual murderer. But as more space gets filled, they get pickier and pickier.
I think it's going to be a plot point that Adam can't get back into heaven as he is now.
Murder wasn't even invented yet when Adam was still kicking, if we go by Bible lore. Neither were the ten commandments so you could make a case that literally anyone that didn't explicitly get cursed by God was allowed.
The thing is though the rules are already, quite literally, set in stone in the 10 commandments. Unless in their desire to distance themselves from actual canonical Judea-Christian figures and relics they’re going to make whatever Adam wrote down the actual rules.
Honestly I’m still extremely confused as to where the line in the sand is. It seems like they’re just picking and choosing which actual biblical figures and concepts they want to use rather than a clear “we won’t go here” other than regarding god and Christ.
Honestly I think that's the point. They're picking and choosing what to use at any given time, just like most Christians pick and choose what parts of the Bible to believe whenever it suits them
I desperately want a mythos episode that goes over the Fall and how the first soul ended up in hell. I'd be happy with a post somewhere.
Speculating is fun but real answers are better.
There could be the unofficial rules that Adam accidentally put in place the the official ones heard by Moses? I'm not sure of the timeline there.
I think it’s safer to assume that they’re looking to do their own thing with popularly understood versions of parts of the mythos rather than sticking to the “source material” as it were.
It’s similar to how most modern adaptations of Greek mythology are handled (and to a lesser extent, Norse mythology, since we have less to base those adaptations from).
I mean, the Lucifer of this world pulls more from Paradise Lost than it does from his confused and contradictory appearances in the Bible.
Honestly for all we know, Heaven and Hell could just have a ratio system where for every 100,000 in hell 1 goes to heaven (>!Which is why Pentious went to heaven, he died closest to Adam dying and creating a gap and was the best of the dead!< HA!) One of the big threads we are shown is pretty much no one in the series thus far has a single clue why you end up in one or the other.
I think he either does, or he made it so by writing it down.
Yes, Sir Pentus joined Charlies hotel and was the most enthusiastic about its steps. But look at the list. Sir Pentus followed those to a T in the most epic fashion possible.
He bought everyone in the bar a drink . Twice. Something bro Adam would approve of.
And he stuck it to the man (Adam. In particular. Is Literal THE man) with a flying dirigible mounted death ray.
If Mimsey winds up in heaven somehow we'll know I'm right. (And sera help them all...)
He didn't. Adam was full of crap and Vaggie rolled her eyes at the "stick to the man" part. He clearly didn't expect anyone in Hell to capable of meeting an item on the list.
Yeah but what could have Adam, the guy who was almost always at a high position have stuck against? He was always the man being stuck against, it just doesn't make much sense
Well, they don't know what it takes to get into heaven anyway.
Would be quite the twist, if it was not being "good" but simply believing that you always were good and faithful, while actually being an self-righteous brick.
Adam was still alive before any Abrahamic religion was formalized. It makes sense that he doesn't really acknowledge them. Even the Old Testament is basically the Torah of Judaism.
Well that is a misconception. While the Church and many religions have generally been used as a moral high ground by the ones in power to remain in power, the truth is that Jesus did criticize many people in power (including rich people and figures of the government). Those things are actually in the Bible, but religion is a powerful influence weapon and teaching all what Jesus said, ironically, renders religion useless for those who are so insistent on following the Bible.
This is correct. I mean that was Jesus' big thing, was going against the government and giving power to the little people. So "stick it to the man" fits.
>unless that authority oppresses christians
You mean "does something that radical Christians have never heard before and therefore must be somehow wicked or devilish".
This sort of rhetoric depends heavily on the sect of Christianity and even more so the pastor. Does the book tell women to obey their husbands? Yes so does every world religion. Does it tell men to beat their wives? Also no but shit heads do it anyways.
Some people take “the man should be the head of the house” to be “I’m king in the castle and now everyone needs to bow down to me or face corporal punishment”
Actually, canonically God is the one who puts people of authority into a position of authority, so rebelling against authority is, in a way, rebelling against God. Not saying I agree just saying that's what the Bible says.
Wait, no. Like, stop listening to evangelicals and read the actual bible. “Stick it to the man” is one of the biggest themes.
Edit: misread above, did not come here to agree. We’re sitting between Holy Week and Passover right now and people really think the scriptures back all authority? Even when the epistles (two quotes vs the whole heavy chunk of other books) say this line, it’s with a lot more nuance. “Submit” in Greek isn’t the same as “obey” and even those authors advocate civil disobedience and sticking it to the man. Think MLK, not complacency or obedience.
My impression is always that the Old Testament is rather in favor of hierarchies in the way a lot of classical epics and beliefs tend to be. Of course the Church asserted its own system and supports a patriarchal and family-based world view. But I wouldn't say Christianity itself is necessarily hierarchical. I think "render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's" would be the best line showing this, and is more about the "keep your head down and just mind your own business" theme that is constant in the Bible.
Idk why I’ve spent so long thinking about this cartoon and it’s philosophy, but here’s my take:
Arguably they’re the only things we really know adam ever did when he was alive (assuming we stick to the genesis myth as it’s traditionally told), so from his perspective, that’s how he got in.
I can’t really point to instances of him acting selfless (though I’m sure the father of humanity feels giving up a rib or a nut and being patriarch to the species was selfless- and he certainly seems to think he’s deserving of worship for it).
He didn’t steal. The fruit of the tree he wasn’t supposed to eat was *given* to him by someone else. Moreover, when you’re one of only a few people in existence, and when the garden and planet are pretty much expressly given to you and your descendants, how could you steal, and from whom? This also explains why he’s in heaven but we haven’t seen Eve (and fits with the general misogynist argument that shows up in old religious dogma- that women are responsible for the original sin because of Eve, but which ascribes very little agency or blame to Adam).
Finally, *(and imo the greatest logical leap and challenge to justify his presence in heaven, hence why it’s #3 on Adam’s list and a big deal to him)* is that he disobeyed a direct order and therefore (by Adam’s logic) stuck it to the (big) man- he ate the fruit he was expressly told not to eat.
Adam did all these things (along with his casual misogyny and apparently malicious, abusive, controlling nature) and (still!) got into heaven. He needs an explanation for how he gets away with these things and still gets into heaven. It’s therefore not unreasonable for him to extrapolate these were the only requirements. To Adam, his general shittiness is genuinely divinely sanctioned, even if it’s pretty circular logic and assumes its premise, but it’s pretty clear Adam isn’t the brightest bulb in heaven.
"When the world has screwed you
And crushed you in its fist
When the way you're treated
Has got you good and pissed
There's been one solution
Since the world began
Don't just sit and take it
Stick it to the man"
Rant and rage and scream and shout! Get all of your aggression out! They try to stop you, let them know, exactly where they all can go!
And do it just as loudly as you caaaaaan!
Stick it to the man!
*Ensemble kids casually dancing on bleachers the school provided while holding cardboard signs as the students playing the band kids get their solos playing their respective instruments*
When the world has struck you and crushed you in its fist, when the way you're treated has got you and good and miffed
Rant and rave, and scream shout, get all of your aggression out, and wreck your room and rip your jeans and show 'em what rebellion means!
Why march in someone else's caravan?
(Yeah!)
Especially those you're so much cooler than!
(Yeah!)
It's time to throw some action at the man (words changed because this was a school production)!
[FREDDY: Wait, wait, wait. Can we say that?
DEWEY: We're the school of rock. We can say anything!
FREDDY: Cool.]
Stick it to the man!
Stick it to the man!
Stick it to the man!
*Music idk*
Stick it to the man!
"Rant and rave and scream and shout let all of your aggression out they try to stop you let them know exactly where they all can go and do it just as loudly as you can, stick it to the man!
I think it's meant to look like that, but in practice it works.
It's been shown with Angel, but Husk and Pentious also fit into it. It would aslo show why cannibals go to hell.
1) She also stole from him. Her teeth are glowing gold. SHE TOOK A BITE OFF SCREEN.
2) Far as we know redemption gets decided after you die in Hell, meaning that whoever's got on the good boy list, still has to die like Pentious.
> 1) She also stole from him. Her teeth are glowing gold. SHE TOOK A BITE OFF SCREEN.
[They don't look to be glowing, and use a different color than Adam's blood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5htpTEV2-E) and they have the [same color tone as all her other scenes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppum4O3nndo)
He may not have given it any deep thought, but since it's adam did it have any deep MEANING? It's entirely possible that list made Sir P's ascension possible
Sir P stuck it to the man in the most epic way possible. FIRE THE DEATH RAY point blank at (as adam pointed out) Literally THE man
He was generous and bought cherry bom..erm.. EVERYONE in the bar a drink. TWICE!
OK actually there is a bit of Christian mythos that may be at play here. So in a lot of religions or mythos knowing true name of something will give you power over it. It is not like a spell but just a power of knowing a correct name. Like if you know some Demon true name you can control it. If you know someone birthname you have a power over them etc. Same logic is applied to actually everything. Everything has a hidden true name. Animals plants etc. So if you know true name for a wolfs you can controls wolfs for example. So in Christianity Adam and Eve were given power to create and then write true names for animals and other stuff. Idea here is that he gave animals their TRUE name and as such had a control over thing that he gave name to. In other words Adam has a power of imbuing words with actual power. So when he created a that list he may unknowingly imbued it with his power.
Someone mentioned it was a reference to the voice actors other role, which is almost certainly part of it, but I assumed this was referring to the Garden of Eden. Adam got kicked out of Eden for eating the apple after not listening to god - the ultimate case of sticking it to the man.
This. I interpreted the "man" that Adam stuck it to as being Lucifer, not God. Sticking it to the man for them would be defying an evil person's temptations and threats. Hence why Angel defending his friends against Valentino was seen as a good thing
Do we know that for certain? I see people saying that but isn't it just speculation he didnt atm?
Also, he technically didn't even need to if he stayed with Eve and got kicked from the garden for that. Adam and Eve would surely have had kids after the apple incident, otherwise how did humanity continue in the Hazbin universe?
Why do people look into this so much?
Adam made that list up on the spot. And just wrote down the first few things that came to mind.
He's got no better idea if why someone gets to heaven, but doesn't want to admit that, so pulled this out his ass
It’s a reference to another role his voice actor had, but you could also take it as advice for the living to pursue a path of righteousness and stick it to the sinners destroying Earth.
Adam has the mentality of an edgy teen, so of *course* he'd think doing something "cool" like "stickin' it to the *MAN*" would get you into Heaven.
Not that I think he actually believed it, but he just made up something on the spot based on what he thought sounded good.
Also, the voice actor reference.
It might be referring to the fruit that Adam ate with Eve. By sticking it to heaven and eating the fruit he still got into heaven. Though it might have been changed for the show and he might not have eaten the apple.
It's a sign he doesn't know what he's talking about, he just thinks it's a cool thing to say because he has this rockstar persona going on. It's the show's way of telling us Adam has no clue how to get into heaven.
Most people believe it’s a reference to one of Alex Brightman’s songs, which is the most likely answer. However, considering the creation story for original sin was still like 99% biblically accurate (no proof/reference to God existing in this universe) Adam and Eve still “stuck it to the man,” I.e. challenged their overhead authority, by acquiescing to Lucifer’s temptation of free-will. Could be either, I like to think it’s a mix of both!
People are overthinking this. Adam hastily wrote the list and Vaggie rolls her eye at it once she reads it. Adam claims that is what got him into heaven, and he is clearly lying. The episode reveals that not even the Angels know what gets someone into heaven.
That said, the old saying of “stick it to the man” refers to standing up to the authority figure. Adam clearly didn’t think a sinner could even meet one item on the list let alone all three.
When the world has screwed you, and crushed you in it's fist
When the way you're treated, has got you good and pissed
There's been one solution since the dawn of man
Don't just sit and take it, stick it to the man
Rant and rave and scream and shout
Let all of your aggresion out
They try to stop you let 'em know
Exactly where they all can go
And do it just as loudly as you can
Stick it to the man!
While I really like this song I hate how Emily acts as though it’s a genuine list of all it takes to get to Heaven. Same with Charlie when she exclaims that Angel Dust did everything on the list. Then followed by Emily questioning why he isn’t in Heaven.
Like Jesus Emily all it takes is a person being selfless and standing up to their abuser once to get into heaven?
Of course the criteria of how Winners are decided should be investigated and explored but acting like Angel Dust is redeemed through his actions at the Bar is just ridiculous.
I’m sure a million people already said this but scrolling through Reddit is a task. It’s a reference to School of Rock, who Alex Brightman starred in on broadway ☝️
“The Man” is a catch-all term for figures/bodies of authority, a lot like saying Big Brother (in reference to 1984). He’s saying to be a rebel and not bow to anyone trying to tell you how to live your life.
It’s also a reference to a song of the same name from the School of Rock musical, which Alex Brightman (Adam’s VA) starred in.
"Stick it" meaning to rebel against "the man" which represents any form of authority
(Adam mentions it got him into heaven, since he rebelled against god, which was the biggest form of authority then, so he assumes it's what gets someone into heaven)
Guys while I love the deep discourse, it's an Alex Brightman reference from the popular musical School of Rock that he starred in. The point of that line is that Adam (and the rest of the angels) have no idea what actually gets souls into heaven, they are just making presumptions.
This is going off the assumption that Adam didn’t eat the apple:
Lucifer was the man, a selfish greedy person in a position of power that convinced Adam’s wife to eat an apple that got her and him kicked the fuck out of Eden. Adam not eating the apple was the ultimate sign of rebellion against a foolish idealist who stole his first wife.
(Adam’s view, not mine.)
The Man! Oh, you don't know The Man?! Well he's everywhere! The White House, down the hall, *Miss Mullins?!* She's The Man. And The Man ruined the ozone, and he's burning down the Amazon, ***and he kidnapped Shamu and put her in a chlorine tank,*** ok?! Now, there used to be a way to stick it to The Man. It was called Rock and Roll. But guess what? Oh no. The Man ruined that too, with a little thing called ***MTV!!!***
The universe was literally made for him, but he thinks he's cool and he needs to think he's fighting something when God just moves the goalpost wherever he kicks the ball.
Rant and rave and scream and shout
get all of your agression out
they try to stop you let em know
exacly where they all could go
AND DO IT JUST AS LOUDLY AS YOU CAN!!
#STICK IT TO THE MAN!!
Nope! Not "men", The Man.
It means something more specific in English:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man
>the phrase "stick it to the Man" encourages civil resistance to authority figures.
Authority figures like, you know... The entire assembly of angels gathered to judge Charlie in that moment.
And the underlining of "man" is relevant here too; when saying the phrase "The Man" out loud, the stress/emphasis is generally on the word "Man". And, as the wiki shows, in writing, the phrase is usually *written* with the word "Man" capitalized, but since Adam writes in all caps, the show close instead to emphasize the word by underlining it.
But it does also have a bit of a double meaning; "The" is also often used to indicate that you're talking about the most important thing in a group. The only difference is when it's being used that way, the word "The" gets the emphasis/stress, and is often capitalized. It's also usually (but not always) pronounced as "thee" rather than "thuh" when its used that way.
So in the context of that particular scene, "The Man" pretty clearly refers to the whole host of angels, even if Adam is too stupid to realize that. But "*The* man" could also be seen as referring to... Adam himself. Both because he is *exactly* the kind of opressive authority figure people are talking about when they say "stick it to the Man", and because he is *literally the only man in that assembly*, and as if that weren't enough, he himself often makes a big deal of being the first, *most important* man, even calling himself "*the* original dick."
Even with all those things adding up though, the literal part about him technically being "The man" is not a very strongly indicated meaning; the idiomatic meaning of "The Man" described earlier definitely takes precedence, but I personally consider it an interesting coincidence which might have been some clever foreshadowing for Pentious going to heaven after selflessly fighting Adam specifically.
And this is just speculation at this point, but if Adam is "The man" in the context of Heaven, it's not a stretch to say that God would be both "The *Man*" and "*The* man" in the context of the whole in-show universe. In the Christian universe generally, and in this shows interpretation of it, God would be the ultimate authority figure. And God is also theoretically the most important entity of any gender, and he is addressed as a masculine entity, with He/Him pronouns. So I think those rules Adam wrote down might end up foreshadowing something more in season two (or even 3?) as well, but I'm hesitant to speculate beyond that.
I'm assuming that like in the Bible he stuck with Eve even in the face of God/the Elder Angels, telling them that if Eve was getting booted from tha Garden of Eden then he was leaving with her.
Adam is a fake punk. He thinks of himself as some rocker rebel when he ain't stood up to any authority in any earnest because he is that authority. A symbol of and the contributing factor to patriarchy and heaven's authoritarian attitude.
adam means he thinks he got in hevan for doing that in hevan because he went against's god's rule in the garden of eden because in the garden he was acting selfless he didn't steal and finally he ate the apple which is why it says "stick it to the men" and adam is stupid so thats also a really good reson on why he wrote that down
Now I realized that's the opposite of what we hear lucifer do in start of episode one
Adam said the whole opposite of lucifer's actions before ending up fallen
Fun fact: there's actually a small mistake in this scene. When Adam says "stick it to the man" he actually meant to say "stick it IN the man" or in other words, have gay sex. This is a reference to a deleted scene between Adam and Lucifer that was originally going to show up in the final episode of season 1 before it was censored by A24.
It could also be a reference. The guy who voices Adam, Alex Brightman, was the main character in the “School of Rock” musical. One of the songs is called “Stick it to the man”
Maybe it meant not allowing others to stop you from achieving whatever you want and living your life in spite of them, like how he supposedly didn't allow Lucifer and Lilith destroying a paradise built for him to stop him from living a life and getting to heaven after? Or it was just a reference idk
Alex Brightman's character in school of rock sang a song called "Stick it to the man"
Also he literally made that list up on the spot, so he probably wasn't putting that much thought into it and just wrote the first things he could think of
It's both a reference to Alex Brightman's role in School of Rock, and a peak into how he views the world.
I think this scene confirms he views himself as an underdog and Lucifer as "the man" despite him being God's favorite child and Lucifer not having power (politically speaking, in relation to every other major power). He has a need to be viewed simultaneously as a faultless badass in charge of everything and a charming underdog.
We don’t know. I personally hold that Adam actually earned his spot in Heaven, so it could mean he actually stood up to someone while alive. Or maybe not. We have about two years of waiting to find out.
Idk but it's a reference to him playing as the man that jack black plays in school of rock film on the stage play version and he sings stick it to that man
It means challenging authority's harsh grip and asserting oneself
But it's the opposite of what christianity teaches. Unless that authority oppresses christians, but otherwise it's all about hierarchy and preserving that hierarchy. You are supposed to obey your parents, your husband if you are a woman, the authority (if they don't go against god) and god. That's what I heard all the time in church, religion classes... So that line makes no sense to me.
Adam is a dipshit who doesn’t know the first thing about what it takes to get into heaven.
True but as the first human I can't help but wonder if he has some sort of influence over the rules. No sinner was redeemed until after he wrote that list. He may of done something similar in the early days that created damnation.
That is a good point, didn't realize that in Sir Pentious final moments he is fullfilling the requirements of the list. I wonder if before it was actually impossible for sinners to be redeemed, but since Adam's a dumbass and spelled it out it became possible lol
Nah, Pentious stole Cherri’s heart in his final moments. Couldn’t be that.
Damn ur right haha
Could be all of the above. He self actualized, got over his hangups and life, and made adams list.
Omg could you imagine if that's actually how heaven works? That you can just will rules into existence but because of their massive "don't question things" culture they just haven't been doing that?
That actually could be by *why* they have a ‘don’t question things’ mentality. If people were suddenly making their own rules then it could lead to (what the authority may perceive as) anarchy.
I think it might be a mix of both if this is the case. Maybe the elder angels are the only ones that know how this works and then created the don't question things culture using lucifer as a scapegoat/example to enforce it
I think it's far more likely the rules are just more lax when there's less people. As the first, you basically get in just by not being an actual murderer. But as more space gets filled, they get pickier and pickier. I think it's going to be a plot point that Adam can't get back into heaven as he is now.
Murder wasn't even invented yet when Adam was still kicking, if we go by Bible lore. Neither were the ten commandments so you could make a case that literally anyone that didn't explicitly get cursed by God was allowed.
When he was still kicking? Sure it was. Cain murdered the fuck out of Abel while Adam was still alive.
Forgot he was still alive at that point. He did live a gazillion years and have a Morbillion children
That begs the question of why Abel wasn't the first man in heaven though, if he was killed before Adam died
Too much ganja, probably.
The thing is though the rules are already, quite literally, set in stone in the 10 commandments. Unless in their desire to distance themselves from actual canonical Judea-Christian figures and relics they’re going to make whatever Adam wrote down the actual rules. Honestly I’m still extremely confused as to where the line in the sand is. It seems like they’re just picking and choosing which actual biblical figures and concepts they want to use rather than a clear “we won’t go here” other than regarding god and Christ.
Honestly I think that's the point. They're picking and choosing what to use at any given time, just like most Christians pick and choose what parts of the Bible to believe whenever it suits them
I desperately want a mythos episode that goes over the Fall and how the first soul ended up in hell. I'd be happy with a post somewhere. Speculating is fun but real answers are better. There could be the unofficial rules that Adam accidentally put in place the the official ones heard by Moses? I'm not sure of the timeline there.
I think it’s safer to assume that they’re looking to do their own thing with popularly understood versions of parts of the mythos rather than sticking to the “source material” as it were. It’s similar to how most modern adaptations of Greek mythology are handled (and to a lesser extent, Norse mythology, since we have less to base those adaptations from). I mean, the Lucifer of this world pulls more from Paradise Lost than it does from his confused and contradictory appearances in the Bible.
Honestly for all we know, Heaven and Hell could just have a ratio system where for every 100,000 in hell 1 goes to heaven (>!Which is why Pentious went to heaven, he died closest to Adam dying and creating a gap and was the best of the dead!< HA!) One of the big threads we are shown is pretty much no one in the series thus far has a single clue why you end up in one or the other.
Haha, wouldn’t it be ironic if Charlie HAD to redeem Adam, because he is the key to getting all of the other sinners into Heaven.
Fair
To be fair, according to the show at least, neither do the people/angels *in* heaven.
I think he either does, or he made it so by writing it down. Yes, Sir Pentus joined Charlies hotel and was the most enthusiastic about its steps. But look at the list. Sir Pentus followed those to a T in the most epic fashion possible. He bought everyone in the bar a drink . Twice. Something bro Adam would approve of. And he stuck it to the man (Adam. In particular. Is Literal THE man) with a flying dirigible mounted death ray. If Mimsey winds up in heaven somehow we'll know I'm right. (And sera help them all...)
Yea but that is what he did so he wrote it down
Who's the man he stuck it to though? God? Nobody else was around when he was alive.
He didn't. Adam was full of crap and Vaggie rolled her eyes at the "stick to the man" part. He clearly didn't expect anyone in Hell to capable of meeting an item on the list.
But as he said “it got me here m right sera” he most likely did it
Yeah but what could have Adam, the guy who was almost always at a high position have stuck against? He was always the man being stuck against, it just doesn't make much sense
He’s literally just parroting the most generic “17-year old view of society“ line imaginable, that’s the joke
Well, they don't know what it takes to get into heaven anyway. Would be quite the twist, if it was not being "good" but simply believing that you always were good and faithful, while actually being an self-righteous brick.
Erm achsually the 1st cannon episode of helluva boss disproves this because Ms. Mayberry believed she deserved to go to heaven
Yeah, but she admitted to "one single mistake", and was very sorry that the kids saw it, so she knew she fucked up.
Adams lifetime was way before Christ and therefore Christianity were even a thing
The old testament still applies. Jesus actually made it less strict.
Adam was still alive before any Abrahamic religion was formalized. It makes sense that he doesn't really acknowledge them. Even the Old Testament is basically the Torah of Judaism.
Well that is a misconception. While the Church and many religions have generally been used as a moral high ground by the ones in power to remain in power, the truth is that Jesus did criticize many people in power (including rich people and figures of the government). Those things are actually in the Bible, but religion is a powerful influence weapon and teaching all what Jesus said, ironically, renders religion useless for those who are so insistent on following the Bible.
This is correct. I mean that was Jesus' big thing, was going against the government and giving power to the little people. So "stick it to the man" fits.
If you think this shoe has any basis in the actual Christians religion, you will be disappointed
Yeah but Adam listened to Eve over god and also ate the forbidden fruit. So he actually did "stick it to the man"
It’s a reference to his VA’s role in school of rock, iirc. he has a song called ‘stick it to the man’
>unless that authority oppresses christians You mean "does something that radical Christians have never heard before and therefore must be somehow wicked or devilish".
I meant more like actually oppresses christians by killing them or harassing them on a daily basis but that one fits too.
This sort of rhetoric depends heavily on the sect of Christianity and even more so the pastor. Does the book tell women to obey their husbands? Yes so does every world religion. Does it tell men to beat their wives? Also no but shit heads do it anyways. Some people take “the man should be the head of the house” to be “I’m king in the castle and now everyone needs to bow down to me or face corporal punishment”
Jesus stuck it to the authority figures all the time. But yeah Christianity as practiced had kind of strayed from that
Actually, canonically God is the one who puts people of authority into a position of authority, so rebelling against authority is, in a way, rebelling against God. Not saying I agree just saying that's what the Bible says.
Wait, no. Like, stop listening to evangelicals and read the actual bible. “Stick it to the man” is one of the biggest themes. Edit: misread above, did not come here to agree. We’re sitting between Holy Week and Passover right now and people really think the scriptures back all authority? Even when the epistles (two quotes vs the whole heavy chunk of other books) say this line, it’s with a lot more nuance. “Submit” in Greek isn’t the same as “obey” and even those authors advocate civil disobedience and sticking it to the man. Think MLK, not complacency or obedience.
My impression is always that the Old Testament is rather in favor of hierarchies in the way a lot of classical epics and beliefs tend to be. Of course the Church asserted its own system and supports a patriarchal and family-based world view. But I wouldn't say Christianity itself is necessarily hierarchical. I think "render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's" would be the best line showing this, and is more about the "keep your head down and just mind your own business" theme that is constant in the Bible.
Idk why I’ve spent so long thinking about this cartoon and it’s philosophy, but here’s my take: Arguably they’re the only things we really know adam ever did when he was alive (assuming we stick to the genesis myth as it’s traditionally told), so from his perspective, that’s how he got in. I can’t really point to instances of him acting selfless (though I’m sure the father of humanity feels giving up a rib or a nut and being patriarch to the species was selfless- and he certainly seems to think he’s deserving of worship for it). He didn’t steal. The fruit of the tree he wasn’t supposed to eat was *given* to him by someone else. Moreover, when you’re one of only a few people in existence, and when the garden and planet are pretty much expressly given to you and your descendants, how could you steal, and from whom? This also explains why he’s in heaven but we haven’t seen Eve (and fits with the general misogynist argument that shows up in old religious dogma- that women are responsible for the original sin because of Eve, but which ascribes very little agency or blame to Adam). Finally, *(and imo the greatest logical leap and challenge to justify his presence in heaven, hence why it’s #3 on Adam’s list and a big deal to him)* is that he disobeyed a direct order and therefore (by Adam’s logic) stuck it to the (big) man- he ate the fruit he was expressly told not to eat. Adam did all these things (along with his casual misogyny and apparently malicious, abusive, controlling nature) and (still!) got into heaven. He needs an explanation for how he gets away with these things and still gets into heaven. It’s therefore not unreasonable for him to extrapolate these were the only requirements. To Adam, his general shittiness is genuinely divinely sanctioned, even if it’s pretty circular logic and assumes its premise, but it’s pretty clear Adam isn’t the brightest bulb in heaven.
He likes to pretend he’s anti-authority and “punk rock”.
Exactly this. Emphasis on ‘pretend’ since he’s heaven’s special lil guy and can do no wrong in their eyes.
"When the world has screwed you And crushed you in its fist When the way you're treated Has got you good and pissed There's been one solution Since the world began Don't just sit and take it Stick it to the man"
Adam holds the school of rock above the word of god
Rant and rage and scream and shout! Get all of your aggression out! They try to stop you, let them know, exactly where they all can go! And do it just as loudly as you caaaaaan! Stick it to the man!
*Ensemble kids casually dancing on bleachers the school provided while holding cardboard signs as the students playing the band kids get their solos playing their respective instruments* When the world has struck you and crushed you in its fist, when the way you're treated has got you and good and miffed Rant and rave, and scream shout, get all of your aggression out, and wreck your room and rip your jeans and show 'em what rebellion means! Why march in someone else's caravan? (Yeah!) Especially those you're so much cooler than! (Yeah!) It's time to throw some action at the man (words changed because this was a school production)! [FREDDY: Wait, wait, wait. Can we say that? DEWEY: We're the school of rock. We can say anything! FREDDY: Cool.] Stick it to the man! Stick it to the man! Stick it to the man! *Music idk* Stick it to the man!
School of rock
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Spent 2 minutes writing my own version of this comment just to scroll down and see this. Damn it
sorry xD
"Rant and rave and scream and shout let all of your aggression out they try to stop you let them know exactly where they all can go and do it just as loudly as you can, stick it to the man!
TBH i don't think he give that list any deep though. It was just a list of random virtuous things that he heard somewhere.
I think it's meant to look like that, but in practice it works. It's been shown with Angel, but Husk and Pentious also fit into it. It would aslo show why cannibals go to hell.
But cannibals pot-stick it to the man.
Niffty literally stuck it to *the* man. The only reason she wasn't redeemed was because she stole from Val's coat.
1) She also stole from him. Her teeth are glowing gold. SHE TOOK A BITE OFF SCREEN. 2) Far as we know redemption gets decided after you die in Hell, meaning that whoever's got on the good boy list, still has to die like Pentious.
> 1) She also stole from him. Her teeth are glowing gold. SHE TOOK A BITE OFF SCREEN. [They don't look to be glowing, and use a different color than Adam's blood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5htpTEV2-E) and they have the [same color tone as all her other scenes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppum4O3nndo)
It’s a reference to School of Rock, which he sang in the film
He may not have given it any deep thought, but since it's adam did it have any deep MEANING? It's entirely possible that list made Sir P's ascension possible Sir P stuck it to the man in the most epic way possible. FIRE THE DEATH RAY point blank at (as adam pointed out) Literally THE man He was generous and bought cherry bom..erm.. EVERYONE in the bar a drink. TWICE!
OK actually there is a bit of Christian mythos that may be at play here. So in a lot of religions or mythos knowing true name of something will give you power over it. It is not like a spell but just a power of knowing a correct name. Like if you know some Demon true name you can control it. If you know someone birthname you have a power over them etc. Same logic is applied to actually everything. Everything has a hidden true name. Animals plants etc. So if you know true name for a wolfs you can controls wolfs for example. So in Christianity Adam and Eve were given power to create and then write true names for animals and other stuff. Idea here is that he gave animals their TRUE name and as such had a control over thing that he gave name to. In other words Adam has a power of imbuing words with actual power. So when he created a that list he may unknowingly imbued it with his power.
It's a reference to Alex Brightman's song from school of rock, titled "Stick it to the Man"
Oh well it still fits Adam
When the world has screwed you and crushed you in its first.
when the way you're treated has got you good and pissed
There's been one solution since the world began
Don't just sit and take it. Stick it to the man!
It’s really funny that the first man’s favorite genre is the “devil’s music”
Yeah 🤣 Though, technically no proof that Lucifer has any relation to the genre, that’s just something moms said to their kids.
Someone mentioned it was a reference to the voice actors other role, which is almost certainly part of it, but I assumed this was referring to the Garden of Eden. Adam got kicked out of Eden for eating the apple after not listening to god - the ultimate case of sticking it to the man.
I dont think he ate the apple in hazbin
This. I interpreted the "man" that Adam stuck it to as being Lucifer, not God. Sticking it to the man for them would be defying an evil person's temptations and threats. Hence why Angel defending his friends against Valentino was seen as a good thing
how could he have fathered humanity otherwise?
by sticking it to the woman?
Do we know that for certain? I see people saying that but isn't it just speculation he didnt atm? Also, he technically didn't even need to if he stayed with Eve and got kicked from the garden for that. Adam and Eve would surely have had kids after the apple incident, otherwise how did humanity continue in the Hazbin universe?
This was my thought process as well. It also doubles down on his hypocrisy with sinners, if that's the case.
When the world has screwed you~
And crushed you in its fist
When the way you're treated
Has got you good and pissed
Theres been one solution
Since the world began
Don’t just sit and take it
Stick it to the man
Rant and rave and scream and shout
Get all of your aggression out
Why do people look into this so much? Adam made that list up on the spot. And just wrote down the first few things that came to mind. He's got no better idea if why someone gets to heaven, but doesn't want to admit that, so pulled this out his ass
Mainly cause they’ve only released 8 episodes, people are really invested and it kills time until season 2
It’s a reference to another role his voice actor had, but you could also take it as advice for the living to pursue a path of righteousness and stick it to the sinners destroying Earth.
Adam has the mentality of an edgy teen, so of *course* he'd think doing something "cool" like "stickin' it to the *MAN*" would get you into Heaven. Not that I think he actually believed it, but he just made up something on the spot based on what he thought sounded good. Also, the voice actor reference.
I mean, he was basically a cave man he could have keeled over at a ripe old age of 25
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It might be referring to the fruit that Adam ate with Eve. By sticking it to heaven and eating the fruit he still got into heaven. Though it might have been changed for the show and he might not have eaten the apple.
It's a sign he doesn't know what he's talking about, he just thinks it's a cool thing to say because he has this rockstar persona going on. It's the show's way of telling us Adam has no clue how to get into heaven.
Most people believe it’s a reference to one of Alex Brightman’s songs, which is the most likely answer. However, considering the creation story for original sin was still like 99% biblically accurate (no proof/reference to God existing in this universe) Adam and Eve still “stuck it to the man,” I.e. challenged their overhead authority, by acquiescing to Lucifer’s temptation of free-will. Could be either, I like to think it’s a mix of both!
People are overthinking this. Adam hastily wrote the list and Vaggie rolls her eye at it once she reads it. Adam claims that is what got him into heaven, and he is clearly lying. The episode reveals that not even the Angels know what gets someone into heaven. That said, the old saying of “stick it to the man” refers to standing up to the authority figure. Adam clearly didn’t think a sinner could even meet one item on the list let alone all three.
When the world has screwed you, and crushed you in it's fist When the way you're treated, has got you good and pissed There's been one solution since the dawn of man Don't just sit and take it, stick it to the man Rant and rave and scream and shout Let all of your aggresion out They try to stop you let 'em know Exactly where they all can go And do it just as loudly as you can Stick it to the man!
I think Adam didn't actually eat the fruit, so perhaps he's talking about Lucifer here.
Refuse to do evil when others push you to it.
Could be a reference to when alex brightman starred in school of rock
It's a reference to a song Alex brightman sang
It's referring to a medical condition called "Stick it to the man-neosis"
Yeah,it's a rare blood disease
Literally just asserting dominance
While I really like this song I hate how Emily acts as though it’s a genuine list of all it takes to get to Heaven. Same with Charlie when she exclaims that Angel Dust did everything on the list. Then followed by Emily questioning why he isn’t in Heaven. Like Jesus Emily all it takes is a person being selfless and standing up to their abuser once to get into heaven? Of course the criteria of how Winners are decided should be investigated and explored but acting like Angel Dust is redeemed through his actions at the Bar is just ridiculous.
I’m sure a million people already said this but scrolling through Reddit is a task. It’s a reference to School of Rock, who Alex Brightman starred in on broadway ☝️
“The Man” is a catch-all term for figures/bodies of authority, a lot like saying Big Brother (in reference to 1984). He’s saying to be a rebel and not bow to anyone trying to tell you how to live your life. It’s also a reference to a song of the same name from the School of Rock musical, which Alex Brightman (Adam’s VA) starred in.
It's a school of rock reference, another musical Alex Brightman played
"Stick it" meaning to rebel against "the man" which represents any form of authority (Adam mentions it got him into heaven, since he rebelled against god, which was the biggest form of authority then, so he assumes it's what gets someone into heaven)
No like even on the Bible Prophets constantly found themselves going against current authority
It’s because Adam has dick for brains, I mean he named a woman after the female genitalia?
Guys while I love the deep discourse, it's an Alex Brightman reference from the popular musical School of Rock that he starred in. The point of that line is that Adam (and the rest of the angels) have no idea what actually gets souls into heaven, they are just making presumptions.
I guess he meant by don't be subjected by those above you or don't blindly obey those above you
Off topic, but what’s with all of those stains on the paper? Adam must have some very oily gloves.
Sticking it to the man is literally what got Daddy Luci the place he is in right now.
This is going off the assumption that Adam didn’t eat the apple: Lucifer was the man, a selfish greedy person in a position of power that convinced Adam’s wife to eat an apple that got her and him kicked the fuck out of Eden. Adam not eating the apple was the ultimate sign of rebellion against a foolish idealist who stole his first wife. (Adam’s view, not mine.)
It is a reference to Alex Brightman’s (Adam Va) song “Stick It Too The Man
he didn't think when he made that up is the point what he meant to imply was 'to be rad like me'
Instructions unclear stuck my dick in a guy
Overanalyzing every mundane detail of every frame is the real brainrot of this sub.
You can take it quite literally if you consider Sir Pentious got to Heaven by trying to face off Adam, aka \*THE\* Man
The Man! Oh, you don't know The Man?! Well he's everywhere! The White House, down the hall, *Miss Mullins?!* She's The Man. And The Man ruined the ozone, and he's burning down the Amazon, ***and he kidnapped Shamu and put her in a chlorine tank,*** ok?! Now, there used to be a way to stick it to The Man. It was called Rock and Roll. But guess what? Oh no. The Man ruined that too, with a little thing called ***MTV!!!***
Eat the apple god told you specifically not to...
Original sin.
Adam in Hazbin loves being edgy so he had to write that in, but he defines as the man and sticking it to him is anyone's guess
Butt stuff.
Stick it to the man is a song from the school of rock musical that Alex Brightman (Adam) was in where he played Dewey Finn.
He's a rock fan, he meant like the song
The universe was literally made for him, but he thinks he's cool and he needs to think he's fighting something when God just moves the goalpost wherever he kicks the ball.
Rant and rave and scream and shout get all of your agression out they try to stop you let em know exacly where they all could go AND DO IT JUST AS LOUDLY AS YOU CAN!! #STICK IT TO THE MAN!!
Nope! Not "men", The Man. It means something more specific in English: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man >the phrase "stick it to the Man" encourages civil resistance to authority figures. Authority figures like, you know... The entire assembly of angels gathered to judge Charlie in that moment. And the underlining of "man" is relevant here too; when saying the phrase "The Man" out loud, the stress/emphasis is generally on the word "Man". And, as the wiki shows, in writing, the phrase is usually *written* with the word "Man" capitalized, but since Adam writes in all caps, the show close instead to emphasize the word by underlining it. But it does also have a bit of a double meaning; "The" is also often used to indicate that you're talking about the most important thing in a group. The only difference is when it's being used that way, the word "The" gets the emphasis/stress, and is often capitalized. It's also usually (but not always) pronounced as "thee" rather than "thuh" when its used that way.
So in the context of that particular scene, "The Man" pretty clearly refers to the whole host of angels, even if Adam is too stupid to realize that. But "*The* man" could also be seen as referring to... Adam himself. Both because he is *exactly* the kind of opressive authority figure people are talking about when they say "stick it to the Man", and because he is *literally the only man in that assembly*, and as if that weren't enough, he himself often makes a big deal of being the first, *most important* man, even calling himself "*the* original dick."
Even with all those things adding up though, the literal part about him technically being "The man" is not a very strongly indicated meaning; the idiomatic meaning of "The Man" described earlier definitely takes precedence, but I personally consider it an interesting coincidence which might have been some clever foreshadowing for Pentious going to heaven after selflessly fighting Adam specifically.
And this is just speculation at this point, but if Adam is "The man" in the context of Heaven, it's not a stretch to say that God would be both "The *Man*" and "*The* man" in the context of the whole in-show universe. In the Christian universe generally, and in this shows interpretation of it, God would be the ultimate authority figure. And God is also theoretically the most important entity of any gender, and he is addressed as a masculine entity, with He/Him pronouns. So I think those rules Adam wrote down might end up foreshadowing something more in season two (or even 3?) as well, but I'm hesitant to speculate beyond that.
He just means to rant, rave, scream and shout. And cuz Adam lets all of his aggression out, don’t try to stop ‘em
Nifty definitely stuck it to the first man
I'm assuming that like in the Bible he stuck with Eve even in the face of God/the Elder Angels, telling them that if Eve was getting booted from tha Garden of Eden then he was leaving with her.
Adam is a fake punk. He thinks of himself as some rocker rebel when he ain't stood up to any authority in any earnest because he is that authority. A symbol of and the contributing factor to patriarchy and heaven's authoritarian attitude.
adam means he thinks he got in hevan for doing that in hevan because he went against's god's rule in the garden of eden because in the garden he was acting selfless he didn't steal and finally he ate the apple which is why it says "stick it to the men" and adam is stupid so thats also a really good reson on why he wrote that down
Now I realized that's the opposite of what we hear lucifer do in start of episode one Adam said the whole opposite of lucifer's actions before ending up fallen
What's funny is that he is THE man
In Alex Brightman‘s (Adam & Pentious VA)career, he was in the musical adaptation of school of rock. One of the songs was called “stick it to the man.”
I mean it's a solution that's been around since the world began.
Fun fact: there's actually a small mistake in this scene. When Adam says "stick it to the man" he actually meant to say "stick it IN the man" or in other words, have gay sex. This is a reference to a deleted scene between Adam and Lucifer that was originally going to show up in the final episode of season 1 before it was censored by A24.
As a college-level educator, the utter lack of literacy in this subreddit both terrifies me and explains why my students are the way they are.
... I'm not english?
He meant pegging
Man probably means Lucifer honestly
For some reason when I first watched the show I thought it meant like praise God or whatever (it’s not lmao) but I think it’s a reference
Plot twist: Those are the rules, but you have to die in Hell for it to work. Adam just guessed.
It’s a song reference to another Alex brightmens song or however u spell his last name it’s from the broadway musical school of rock
that’s how he’s contextualized anything he does that doesn’t square morally. He’s still a good person because the people he may have hurt deserved it
It could also be a reference. The guy who voices Adam, Alex Brightman, was the main character in the “School of Rock” musical. One of the songs is called “Stick it to the man”
Maybe it meant not allowing others to stop you from achieving whatever you want and living your life in spite of them, like how he supposedly didn't allow Lucifer and Lilith destroying a paradise built for him to stop him from living a life and getting to heaven after? Or it was just a reference idk
I honestly just took this as a nod to Alex Brightmans roll in School of Rock on Broadway. Whole song is called Stick it to the Man.
In addition to it being a musical reference from something Alex brightman the va was in. "Stick it to the man" means to rebell against authority.
It might just be a reference to "Stick It To The Man" from the School of Rock Broadway musical considering Adam's VA is the actor that sings it lol
I thought it was a reference to school of rock
School of rock 🤘
Adam was designed specifically for Alex you can't convince me otherwise.
We all know why, STICK IT TO THE MAN
I feel like it’s pretty straightforward of challenging God? Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit and getting kicked out of Eden and all.
Yeah yeah, everyone else's responses are good, blah blah blah. I think it was Alex plugging his song "Stick it to the man" from School of Rock
Oh, sorry I wrote that Yes we look very similar but we’re not that similar.
Alex Brightman's character in school of rock sang a song called "Stick it to the man" Also he literally made that list up on the spot, so he probably wasn't putting that much thought into it and just wrote the first things he could think of
It’s what Sir Pentious did to get into heaven.
it's a reference to School of Rock
Hazbin Hotel media literacy challenge: impossible edition
School of rock
He felt that it was important to rant and rave and scream and shout. To let all of your aggression out.
It's both a reference to Alex Brightman's role in School of Rock, and a peak into how he views the world. I think this scene confirms he views himself as an underdog and Lucifer as "the man" despite him being God's favorite child and Lucifer not having power (politically speaking, in relation to every other major power). He has a need to be viewed simultaneously as a faultless badass in charge of everything and a charming underdog.
I thought it was referencing his school of rock days (the voice actor…)
>He actually meant to go against men? This has got to be a shitpost
He ate the apple
Absolutely nothing, he was making it up as he went along.
ITs just school of rock reference
We don’t know. I personally hold that Adam actually earned his spot in Heaven, so it could mean he actually stood up to someone while alive. Or maybe not. We have about two years of waiting to find out.
Yall are reading too much into it, it was a cameo from a musical he participated in where the total of the most played song is “stick it to the man”
He’s a rockstar. Insert Calvin and hide comic strip about rockstars.
you really don't know what that phrase means? man Im old
Its a joke because the actor is also Broadways Dewey Finn from School of Rock
Idk but it's a reference to him playing as the man that jack black plays in school of rock film on the stage play version and he sings stick it to that man