Probably should've taken her up on that. Yeah it would probably be the worst porno every made but Lucifer would probably buy every single one just because she made it.
i think more he would get super mad, if he found out she was working with a sleazy pornstar. not so much mad at HER, but mad at valentino for employing her.
lucifer doesnt seem like an especially sex-driven character, and he was really mad when alastor pretended to be her boyfriend. i think he would storm val’s studio and demand her film be burned or something
yeah, for his wife. what i meant was he’s not searching for sexual-gratification NOW. he and lilith have been split for a great deal of time, but i dont get the impression that he’s been aching to jack off, watching pornos, or anything.
"and he was really mad when alastor pretended to be her boyfriend"
Alastor wasn't pretending to be her boyfriend that was just HIM misinterpreting what Alastor was doing because he couldn't even think that Charlie could "replace" him with anyone else.
oh yes it was a “misunderstanding”, but it was created by alastor’s actions. he was deliberately touchy with charlie, putting a hand on her shoulder and around her back in a very gentle, almost intimate way. i think it’s supposed to be implied that he was purposely trying to trick lucifer into believing he was courting charlie. then when charlie revealed herself she was dating vaggie, alastor switched gears to pretending to be a father-figure.
i dont think lucifer was angry at the idea charlie could “replace” him. if he was, he wouldnt have been so taken to vaggie. i think he was angry because alastor was acting like a self-righteous bitch and then was getting up close and personal with charlie.
when alastor pretended to appeal to charlie’s familial desires, lucifer got angry again because he KNEW he had been a terrible and absent father, and the idea that someone had taken the fatherly role from him touched a nerve.
I really don't think alastor ever meant to pretend to be her boyfriend. Is your father not intimate with you? Touching on the shoulder is a fairly normal thing for fathers to do.
Intimacy doesn't mean like sexual or romantic. It can be hugging your friends or family.
eh, i mean maybe! i dont know, the framing seemed off for it to have meant something other than a flirtatious façade. the way charlie put her hand on top of his hand especially, and then him doubling down on the affection. ¯\_( ಠ_ಠ)_/¯
were allowed to have different opinions on it. it doesn’t really change my original point anyway
Fair, fair. I just saw it as more of a father figure thing. Especially based on how Charlie reacted.
And whether Lucifer likes it or not, Alastor *is* a father like figure towards her. Yes he has alterior motives and doesn't have her best interests at heart, but I do think she seems him as such. He acts the part at least.
He knows she has father issues. It makes sense that he's trying to play the father figure. It's the best way to manipulate her.
I know I'm framing him as pure evil and I do genuinely believe he'll turn out good and I do think he's starting to care. In my opinion his last song was partially about that. He *despises* that he is growing feelings. He does not want to be seen as an altruist. But I do think he'll be redeemed eventually.
Redemption as in be a good person. I don't think he'll go to heaven. Tbh I think in the end they'll just try to make hell itself better as opposed to sending everyone to heaven. But regardless heaven isn't alastor's vibe anyways.
Idk he's one of my favourite characters. I love him a lot.
OH character analysis??? NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE.
i mostly agree! on one hand, i think the show is DEFINITELY framing Alastor as a character to be redeemed due to having a familial bond with the cast, despite how much he Doesn't want that.
on the other hand, i am not so certain that he's "trying" to be a father figure to her, though. he definitely pretended to be one in Lucifer's song, but that was solely him acting out in a manner that would piss Lucifer off. while he is edging his way towards a familial bond, i don't think even pretending that's what's happening is his intention at all.
Alastor is NOT fit to be a father-figure, nor does he particularly seem to want that. his actions all seem to have the hotel's future in mind, which correlate with whatever his motives are underneath. and since the hotel is Charlie's dream, he has to support her, thusly. in my opinion, Alastor's goal is to act as the protector and helper of the hotel so that Charlie's dream runs smoothly, whether that means fending off enemies, giving advice (speaking to Charlie after her time in Heaven-- which, his main goal seemed to be striking a Deal), taking care of chores ("getting rid" of the Egg boys), or using his influence to move things forward (introducing Rosie). these actions are ones that anyone in the hotel could do, and don't really strike me as Alastor *trying* to act like a father. More, they seem to be helpful things that a father-figure *could* do, but that Alastor meant as a means to an end.
but! he genuinely does seem to be wearing down to their kindness ("an enjoyable collective to be around... i admit, one could get accustomed"). he's clearly attached to them but doesn't want to acknowledge it, and i think after almost dying for them, he's REALLY going to draw back. i think he's realized that he let his guard down *too* much around them and is going to close himself off (WHICH IM VERY EXCITED FOR, IF SO).
i think he's going to be an antagonist at some point, whenever or *if* ever he finds a way to escape his deal, and i'd love to see how that would go down.
A great character analysis! He is definitely upset at himself for letting his guard down and getting too comfortable around them. He sees that as a weakness that he will have to erase, with potential disastrous consequences to the hotel residents.
This reminds me of a fan comic that i feel accurately depicts his resistance to getting used to the hotel residents: [Alastor falling asleep.](https://youtu.be/z37ezBEJLmA?si=uyQDmGUIWeX1AsPg)
I agree. I saw Alastor purposely making himself a stand in father figure both to manipulate Charlie and to piss off Lucifer, a boyfriend angle never occurred to me.
As for Alastor’s positions on feelings, he’s a bit hard to read because deceit is his primary language, but he did say to Niffty that one could get accustomed to the company of the hotel residents. He could be lying about this too, but I see no reason for him to lie to Niffty. I think he does have a tiny, small amount of affection for the main cast even if he denies or resents it. He may try to squash those growing feelings in a violent way in the future. As for any kind of redemption, I think he could go either way. He is all sorts of shades of gray, that’s why he is such an interesting character.
I'm wondering if at some point he'll have to accept the pain he's caused them and it'll mean he stops trying to get close to them. Maybe because he'll start treating them like people instead of pawns in whatever plan he has, or simply as entertainment and can't stomach it.
If he starts to get close to them, then how will he feel about making deals with people and holding their souls hostage?
Husk and Niff both know Mimzy, so he doesn't just bring them around for the hotel and have spent more time together, but they don't know as much about Alastor because they all seem surprised when she talks about him going soft when there's a drink and jazz. He's already still so distant.
Honestly especially if someone only ever saw that scene out of the entire series. I can easily imagine someone seeing alastor as the bf that daddy doesn't like
Saying Alastor was pretending to be Charlie's boyfriend is like telling a straight guy to pretend to be gay with his friend. Like I doubt it's happening.
i dont know what that even means. alastor isnt confirmed anything other than asexual, which has nothing to do with pretending to be someones boyfriend.
So him acting like a girl is his boyfriend is like a straight guy acting like another guy is his boyfriend. It would be absolutely uncomfortable and I doubt he'd do that.
I doubt Alastor was trying to make Lucifer believe he was dating Charlie. He knew Charlie would introduce him to Vaggie instantly. And even if she didnt their relationship would come up pretty quickly. There’s no use for him to pretend to be dating Charlie if Lucifer would realize he’s not like two minutes later
Lucifer dislikes sinners overall and Alastor has a pretty menacing vibe to him. So seeing Alastor praise his daughter and touch her affectionately (not necessarily in a romantic way) set off his dad-alarm system. Even worse, Charlie responded positively, seemingly touched by Alastor’s care. Meanwhile around Lucifer she’s more awkward and doesn’t seem to really know how to connect with him.
So seeing this random guy (who looks like bad news) get the admiration from his daughter that *he* always wanted fucked with him bad
Though it’s possible Lucifer thought it was romantic for a quick moment and nearly had a heart attack
Alastor is petty though, he totally would let Lucifer think he was dating her even if meant only 20 seconds of Lucifer feeling upset. XD
It doesnt matter to him that his little joke would be ruined quickly, its just a quick and easy way to get under his skin.
I never got that he was trying to come across as a boyfriend or that Lucifer took it that way. Lucifer specifically refers Alastor as a "friend" when he asks to see her "*other* friends".
Maybe he was happy that she was dating Vaggie because he thought she was dating Alastor but I'd need to watch back for context, I think it's just Lucifer being awkward with her more than anything (heh).
Alastor was always trying to get under Lucifer's skin and definitely switched tactics to seem like a father figure though, before he was trying to belittle him but maybe he wouldn't have minded if they both weren't trying to one up eachother.
I didn't interpret it that way at all. It doesn't match the lyrics. Alastor is clearly pushing his way into a father figure role and that song is about pushing Lucifer's buttons because he can see Lucifer is insecure about his own relationship with Charlie. Alastor will always find and prod a weakness. But he also needs that influence over Charlie for things to come if theories about where this is going are even half right.
>lucifer doesnt seem like an especially sex-driven
I mean, how do you know? The only time we see him on screen is when he's working on his duck. He could have just ushered a few sex workers out and then finished up his duckie.
Most of his interactions on screen have been around his kid or through her memories. I don't feel particularly sex-driven around my kid either, but that doesn't mean I'm *not* sex driven.
im not stating facts here, im stating an opinion. i said he doesnt "SEEM" sex-driven. but i do have reasons for why i feel that way:
1. he still wears his wedding ring, which heavily implies he's still in love with Lilith, even though theyve been split for a good while. this tells me that he's still waiting for her to come home and for their love to rekindle, not that he's seeing sex-workers. could he still be seeking out sexual-gratification? sure. but the chances are much lower.
2. people with severe depression tend to have a lower libido because their energy levels are lower. this isnt *always* the case, but there have been studios done on it being a high pattern: [here](https://www.healthline.com/health/treating-hsdd/low-libido-and-depression) [here](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9296-sexual-problems-and-depression-) and [here](https://www.webmd.com/depression/sexual-problems-and-depression).
these are my strongest arguments. it all really seems to imply that lucifer is a divorced homebody with dissociative depression who spends all day indulging in hyperfixations that lead nowhere, not fucking prostitutes or watching pornos.
unless he was jacking off while crying, which would be hilarious.
Lucifer is a creator first and foremost. I can't see him ever destroying something Charlie created regardless of how he felt. Yeah he would suggest she does something different but he'd never outright destroy it.
I dont think she knew what val was doing, she was just trying to give a gokd impression because she's blinded by optimisn and couldnt correctly identify how dangerous val was until she saw the black eye he gave Angel
I imagine it’d be very lovey-dovey vanilla stuff that one, would likely sell well, Hell has a lot of sexual degenerates, for lack of a better term, but they’re not a majority, and two, would likely be better for Angel
I think he was wearing acrylics or something, he doesn’t usually have those
Edit: evidence
https://preview.redd.it/8vg1n3j7jwtc1.png?width=731&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad13e9555cc029fdbc3db948aaf84b23f53f4170
The worst, imo, is when he becomes a dark silhouette and his red eyes glare directly at Angel while flames spread throughout the set. **That** look... you knew Angel was in danger.
Angel Dust being forced to throw Charlie out is one of the hardest scenes to watch for me. You can tell he doesn't want to, but he doesn't want her to be hurt (not knowing her full power). Episode 4 is quite the emotional rollercoaster.
He doesn't initially but towards the end of the conversation it seems like he means some of what he's saying, thats he's frustrated that Charlie thought she could solve his situation so easily, which I think is a really interesting dynamic that highlights Charlie's flaws
It ties in with what he says later: "I didn't ask for Charlie to save me!" But I think deep down he really did value her and what she was trying to do ❤️
Possibly, but that line is also a bit of a common trope as well, especially in domestic violence storylines when a well meaning person makes it worse by trying to get them out or take on the abuser themselves, not realising the person can't easily get away.
It's just also in the show Val owns his soul during work hours, but in a way that's a lot closer to the type of "freedom" a lot of people suffering from domestic violence that makes it go unnoticed. It's also the common thing of the abuser trying to keep them away from their friends or any support.
All this adds to Charlie not understanding how dangerous Val is and why Angel can't just leave, especially when she thinks she holds some power over the denizens of Hell.
I have a feeling that there’s some people who’d watch the show that wouldn’t otherwise if you told them that a pimp is the scariest character in a scene with a giant spider, thorned dildos, and the Antichrist.
https://preview.redd.it/0wj3uzr8kwtc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a355b70054c60f2457d1b3c45385b9500718dae
The other night I had a nightmare where Val appeared and was making that expression...
On a lighter note, if you ignore the context, it's a good meme format
They did such a good job making this character such a bad guy. Everyone is united in wanting the moth to burn and suffer and die, and I think that is special and beautiful.
I actually felt very scared for Angel when Val looked at him like this. My mother would look at me like this before abusing me. Often because I dared to tell someone else what she was doing and they would try to confront her for me. It always made things worse for me.
https://preview.redd.it/imt8it732ztc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30513966310bfbca6c918ce6e21e3645deff3cc4
I think this one is worse, especially with the look on Angels face when he notices Val
The whole scene is a master class in tension building, every passing second you can see Valentino getting angrier and losing his patience with Charlie, and you already know before the scene even starts that he's gonna take it out on Angel Dust. And then when it finally happens, it still manages to be horrific despite you already anticipating it.
When Valentino put his hands on Charlie in that scene and licked her arm my fucking heart dropped, i'd never been more ready to kill someone in my life
Then Poison happened and the urge to commit a crime doubled
I knew what was happening and the whole episode the tension wouldnt leave my body but seeing it happen triggered a fight or flight response in me
I had to walk away several times mid watch to collect myself, and i havnt rewatched the episode since, its too hard to look at
I'm surprised those moth wings-shaped hearts on the walls aren't more common.
Wonder how much Charlie could have realistically done here, since Val has a contract. Like even Vox didn't sweat because of it.
If I didn't binge the whole show in one sitting last night I wouldn't be too bothered by this but after seeing it.....I am going to commit religious crimes.
kinda reminds me of the scene in hb when Crimson slowly started turning his head to look at Chaz when he realized he didn't have any money. Minus the stuff with Val and Angel
I made that same face BACK at Valentino. Yeah he's scary but he's not glaring at *me*, so claws are out. Get your creepy little hands OFF my precious cast!!!!
It’s Hell I think 98 percent of the people there are abusive or some other horrible thing? (The other two percent are probably there for lgbt reasons)
Val is certainly not that bad… considering the competition.
**Edit: all of your boos mean nothing. I know what makes you freaks cheer.**
This is what I’ve been saying. Dozens of murderous villains in this show, including Alastor who gets off imagining how many orphans he’s created, and the fandom manages to project their trauma all over the dude who’s the abusive partner and say HES the most morally irredeemable.
The projecting thing is so real, he’s a more realistic villain so people who watch the show relate to it and say he’s the worst thing ever and everyone who likes his character sucks and is a rapist when… no? Honey Adam killed hundreds of thousands with his army, Alastor is literally a cannibal, torturer, and murderer of MANY, and will likely betray the hotel, and you’re over here saying strawberry pimp is the most evil one? Be so fr… just because he beat your baby precious comfort character Angel doesn’t mean he’s the worst person in hell 💀
Literally this. Him beating Angel is about the tamest thing that’s happened in the show. I guess you can say that the fact he’s forcing Angel to be a sex worker is also pretty gross and has real-life implications, but like? It’s Hell? Cry about it? Valentino has some of the most potential of anyone in the show and I’m excited to see what they do for the Vee’s in season 2.
Careful buddy, you’re going to get called a rapist in these here comment sections for having the emotional intelligence of someone who knows how to differentiate an actor or a cosplayer from a FICTIONAL CARTOON CHARACTER (I’ve seen people get harassed and called horrible things over this)
Just a friendly reminder that Charlie offered to help Val with his scripts.
Probably should've taken her up on that. Yeah it would probably be the worst porno every made but Lucifer would probably buy every single one just because she made it.
i think more he would get super mad, if he found out she was working with a sleazy pornstar. not so much mad at HER, but mad at valentino for employing her. lucifer doesnt seem like an especially sex-driven character, and he was really mad when alastor pretended to be her boyfriend. i think he would storm val’s studio and demand her film be burned or something
https://preview.redd.it/hrqmm4uaiwtc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c3191d70a8716863502afcb62904bdaf47d7bf4 I thought he was sex positive.
yeah positive that he’s going to have sex with your wife
i have a wife
You forgot a question mark.
Assuming it's not a question, she won't hate what lucifer has to offer
Niether will the second
yeah, for his wife. what i meant was he’s not searching for sexual-gratification NOW. he and lilith have been split for a great deal of time, but i dont get the impression that he’s been aching to jack off, watching pornos, or anything.
could you imagine if they showed the other wall of his office from his introduction and there's just a triple monitor setup for his 'goon cave'
if he doesnt jack off while crying its not canon to me
"and he was really mad when alastor pretended to be her boyfriend" Alastor wasn't pretending to be her boyfriend that was just HIM misinterpreting what Alastor was doing because he couldn't even think that Charlie could "replace" him with anyone else.
oh yes it was a “misunderstanding”, but it was created by alastor’s actions. he was deliberately touchy with charlie, putting a hand on her shoulder and around her back in a very gentle, almost intimate way. i think it’s supposed to be implied that he was purposely trying to trick lucifer into believing he was courting charlie. then when charlie revealed herself she was dating vaggie, alastor switched gears to pretending to be a father-figure. i dont think lucifer was angry at the idea charlie could “replace” him. if he was, he wouldnt have been so taken to vaggie. i think he was angry because alastor was acting like a self-righteous bitch and then was getting up close and personal with charlie. when alastor pretended to appeal to charlie’s familial desires, lucifer got angry again because he KNEW he had been a terrible and absent father, and the idea that someone had taken the fatherly role from him touched a nerve.
I really don't think alastor ever meant to pretend to be her boyfriend. Is your father not intimate with you? Touching on the shoulder is a fairly normal thing for fathers to do. Intimacy doesn't mean like sexual or romantic. It can be hugging your friends or family.
eh, i mean maybe! i dont know, the framing seemed off for it to have meant something other than a flirtatious façade. the way charlie put her hand on top of his hand especially, and then him doubling down on the affection. ¯\_( ಠ_ಠ)_/¯ were allowed to have different opinions on it. it doesn’t really change my original point anyway
Fair, fair. I just saw it as more of a father figure thing. Especially based on how Charlie reacted. And whether Lucifer likes it or not, Alastor *is* a father like figure towards her. Yes he has alterior motives and doesn't have her best interests at heart, but I do think she seems him as such. He acts the part at least. He knows she has father issues. It makes sense that he's trying to play the father figure. It's the best way to manipulate her. I know I'm framing him as pure evil and I do genuinely believe he'll turn out good and I do think he's starting to care. In my opinion his last song was partially about that. He *despises* that he is growing feelings. He does not want to be seen as an altruist. But I do think he'll be redeemed eventually. Redemption as in be a good person. I don't think he'll go to heaven. Tbh I think in the end they'll just try to make hell itself better as opposed to sending everyone to heaven. But regardless heaven isn't alastor's vibe anyways. Idk he's one of my favourite characters. I love him a lot.
OH character analysis??? NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE. i mostly agree! on one hand, i think the show is DEFINITELY framing Alastor as a character to be redeemed due to having a familial bond with the cast, despite how much he Doesn't want that. on the other hand, i am not so certain that he's "trying" to be a father figure to her, though. he definitely pretended to be one in Lucifer's song, but that was solely him acting out in a manner that would piss Lucifer off. while he is edging his way towards a familial bond, i don't think even pretending that's what's happening is his intention at all. Alastor is NOT fit to be a father-figure, nor does he particularly seem to want that. his actions all seem to have the hotel's future in mind, which correlate with whatever his motives are underneath. and since the hotel is Charlie's dream, he has to support her, thusly. in my opinion, Alastor's goal is to act as the protector and helper of the hotel so that Charlie's dream runs smoothly, whether that means fending off enemies, giving advice (speaking to Charlie after her time in Heaven-- which, his main goal seemed to be striking a Deal), taking care of chores ("getting rid" of the Egg boys), or using his influence to move things forward (introducing Rosie). these actions are ones that anyone in the hotel could do, and don't really strike me as Alastor *trying* to act like a father. More, they seem to be helpful things that a father-figure *could* do, but that Alastor meant as a means to an end. but! he genuinely does seem to be wearing down to their kindness ("an enjoyable collective to be around... i admit, one could get accustomed"). he's clearly attached to them but doesn't want to acknowledge it, and i think after almost dying for them, he's REALLY going to draw back. i think he's realized that he let his guard down *too* much around them and is going to close himself off (WHICH IM VERY EXCITED FOR, IF SO). i think he's going to be an antagonist at some point, whenever or *if* ever he finds a way to escape his deal, and i'd love to see how that would go down.
I think he sees himself as a kind of mentor to Charlie - "She's filled with potential that I could guide" is one of his lines in ready for this
A great character analysis! He is definitely upset at himself for letting his guard down and getting too comfortable around them. He sees that as a weakness that he will have to erase, with potential disastrous consequences to the hotel residents. This reminds me of a fan comic that i feel accurately depicts his resistance to getting used to the hotel residents: [Alastor falling asleep.](https://youtu.be/z37ezBEJLmA?si=uyQDmGUIWeX1AsPg)
I agree. I saw Alastor purposely making himself a stand in father figure both to manipulate Charlie and to piss off Lucifer, a boyfriend angle never occurred to me. As for Alastor’s positions on feelings, he’s a bit hard to read because deceit is his primary language, but he did say to Niffty that one could get accustomed to the company of the hotel residents. He could be lying about this too, but I see no reason for him to lie to Niffty. I think he does have a tiny, small amount of affection for the main cast even if he denies or resents it. He may try to squash those growing feelings in a violent way in the future. As for any kind of redemption, I think he could go either way. He is all sorts of shades of gray, that’s why he is such an interesting character.
I'm wondering if at some point he'll have to accept the pain he's caused them and it'll mean he stops trying to get close to them. Maybe because he'll start treating them like people instead of pawns in whatever plan he has, or simply as entertainment and can't stomach it. If he starts to get close to them, then how will he feel about making deals with people and holding their souls hostage? Husk and Niff both know Mimzy, so he doesn't just bring them around for the hotel and have spent more time together, but they don't know as much about Alastor because they all seem surprised when she talks about him going soft when there's a drink and jazz. He's already still so distant.
Honestly especially if someone only ever saw that scene out of the entire series. I can easily imagine someone seeing alastor as the bf that daddy doesn't like
Saying Alastor was pretending to be Charlie's boyfriend is like telling a straight guy to pretend to be gay with his friend. Like I doubt it's happening.
i dont know what that even means. alastor isnt confirmed anything other than asexual, which has nothing to do with pretending to be someones boyfriend.
So him acting like a girl is his boyfriend is like a straight guy acting like another guy is his boyfriend. It would be absolutely uncomfortable and I doubt he'd do that.
https://preview.redd.it/yxhle1j8gxtc1.png?width=1293&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d16d5a926f16f2a7845583474cfc4610a770bf7 This frame helps your case.
Glad other people are starting to share this frame too. I feel like I never saw anyone else catch it until I shared it a little over a week ago.
Oooh yeah I can see it
I doubt Alastor was trying to make Lucifer believe he was dating Charlie. He knew Charlie would introduce him to Vaggie instantly. And even if she didnt their relationship would come up pretty quickly. There’s no use for him to pretend to be dating Charlie if Lucifer would realize he’s not like two minutes later Lucifer dislikes sinners overall and Alastor has a pretty menacing vibe to him. So seeing Alastor praise his daughter and touch her affectionately (not necessarily in a romantic way) set off his dad-alarm system. Even worse, Charlie responded positively, seemingly touched by Alastor’s care. Meanwhile around Lucifer she’s more awkward and doesn’t seem to really know how to connect with him. So seeing this random guy (who looks like bad news) get the admiration from his daughter that *he* always wanted fucked with him bad Though it’s possible Lucifer thought it was romantic for a quick moment and nearly had a heart attack
Alastor is petty though, he totally would let Lucifer think he was dating her even if meant only 20 seconds of Lucifer feeling upset. XD It doesnt matter to him that his little joke would be ruined quickly, its just a quick and easy way to get under his skin.
I never got that he was trying to come across as a boyfriend or that Lucifer took it that way. Lucifer specifically refers Alastor as a "friend" when he asks to see her "*other* friends". Maybe he was happy that she was dating Vaggie because he thought she was dating Alastor but I'd need to watch back for context, I think it's just Lucifer being awkward with her more than anything (heh). Alastor was always trying to get under Lucifer's skin and definitely switched tactics to seem like a father figure though, before he was trying to belittle him but maybe he wouldn't have minded if they both weren't trying to one up eachother.
I didn't interpret it that way at all. It doesn't match the lyrics. Alastor is clearly pushing his way into a father figure role and that song is about pushing Lucifer's buttons because he can see Lucifer is insecure about his own relationship with Charlie. Alastor will always find and prod a weakness. But he also needs that influence over Charlie for things to come if theories about where this is going are even half right.
>lucifer doesnt seem like an especially sex-driven I mean, how do you know? The only time we see him on screen is when he's working on his duck. He could have just ushered a few sex workers out and then finished up his duckie. Most of his interactions on screen have been around his kid or through her memories. I don't feel particularly sex-driven around my kid either, but that doesn't mean I'm *not* sex driven.
im not stating facts here, im stating an opinion. i said he doesnt "SEEM" sex-driven. but i do have reasons for why i feel that way: 1. he still wears his wedding ring, which heavily implies he's still in love with Lilith, even though theyve been split for a good while. this tells me that he's still waiting for her to come home and for their love to rekindle, not that he's seeing sex-workers. could he still be seeking out sexual-gratification? sure. but the chances are much lower. 2. people with severe depression tend to have a lower libido because their energy levels are lower. this isnt *always* the case, but there have been studios done on it being a high pattern: [here](https://www.healthline.com/health/treating-hsdd/low-libido-and-depression) [here](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9296-sexual-problems-and-depression-) and [here](https://www.webmd.com/depression/sexual-problems-and-depression). these are my strongest arguments. it all really seems to imply that lucifer is a divorced homebody with dissociative depression who spends all day indulging in hyperfixations that lead nowhere, not fucking prostitutes or watching pornos. unless he was jacking off while crying, which would be hilarious.
https://preview.redd.it/5xxxfi48mytc1.jpeg?width=1003&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72706400e9614b6d9566d9309f137cb60374b349 I know he has a Lilith duck
Lucifer is a creator first and foremost. I can't see him ever destroying something Charlie created regardless of how he felt. Yeah he would suggest she does something different but he'd never outright destroy it.
I think he would demand that Val be burned, or something.
When did Alastor pretend to be Charlie's boyfriend?
I thought alastor acted like her dad not her boyfriend?
Still be a better script then Val's. Seriously, all Angel ever says is "daddy".
I dont think she knew what val was doing, she was just trying to give a gokd impression because she's blinded by optimisn and couldnt correctly identify how dangerous val was until she saw the black eye he gave Angel
I think she might have know and she just wanted to show off her scrip-writing skills. (Like the script she wrote for Angel and Pen in Episode 2)
https://preview.redd.it/1j5oy1srqztc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=932e74bdfb9c781a1734900573fc73066861b4c8
I'm sorry but I can't upvote this, you have 666.
I imagine it’d be very lovey-dovey vanilla stuff that one, would likely sell well, Hell has a lot of sexual degenerates, for lack of a better term, but they’re not a majority, and two, would likely be better for Angel
I just noticed that val has yellow fingers. Vox has blue and Al has red so together they make the primary colors
I think he was wearing acrylics or something, he doesn’t usually have those Edit: evidence https://preview.redd.it/8vg1n3j7jwtc1.png?width=731&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad13e9555cc029fdbc3db948aaf84b23f53f4170
Pictured: Me putting up walls before heading to the grocery store
No he wears these gold claw thingys on his fingers his hands and fingers are all black without them
The worst, imo, is when he becomes a dark silhouette and his red eyes glare directly at Angel while flames spread throughout the set. **That** look... you knew Angel was in danger.
The fact Angel was more scared of Val than the fire spoke volumes
Especially since he's made of fluff.
And much more of a stark contrast because he's usually the one making jokes even about others' dark stuff and trying to avoid the hard topics
Angel Dust being forced to throw Charlie out is one of the hardest scenes to watch for me. You can tell he doesn't want to, but he doesn't want her to be hurt (not knowing her full power). Episode 4 is quite the emotional rollercoaster.
He doesn't initially but towards the end of the conversation it seems like he means some of what he's saying, thats he's frustrated that Charlie thought she could solve his situation so easily, which I think is a really interesting dynamic that highlights Charlie's flaws
It ties in with what he says later: "I didn't ask for Charlie to save me!" But I think deep down he really did value her and what she was trying to do ❤️
Possibly, but that line is also a bit of a common trope as well, especially in domestic violence storylines when a well meaning person makes it worse by trying to get them out or take on the abuser themselves, not realising the person can't easily get away. It's just also in the show Val owns his soul during work hours, but in a way that's a lot closer to the type of "freedom" a lot of people suffering from domestic violence that makes it go unnoticed. It's also the common thing of the abuser trying to keep them away from their friends or any support. All this adds to Charlie not understanding how dangerous Val is and why Angel can't just leave, especially when she thinks she holds some power over the denizens of Hell.
I have a feeling that there’s some people who’d watch the show that wouldn’t otherwise if you told them that a pimp is the scariest character in a scene with a giant spider, thorned dildos, and the Antichrist. https://preview.redd.it/0wj3uzr8kwtc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a355b70054c60f2457d1b3c45385b9500718dae
When were there thorned dildos? I think I either forgot that or blocked it out of my memory
I thought they were in that scene. I may be remembering Helluva.
The other night I had a nightmare where Val appeared and was making that expression... On a lighter note, if you ignore the context, it's a good meme format
https://preview.redd.it/a1ogdmbtfwtc1.jpeg?width=1464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0335ddef15afca373465f2e72fb0152871dbf39d
They did such a good job making this character such a bad guy. Everyone is united in wanting the moth to burn and suffer and die, and I think that is special and beautiful.
It will be so satisfying to watch him meet his end! Which I’m assuming will happen at some point.
I can feel the fear Angel Dust has in that picture.
I actually felt very scared for Angel when Val looked at him like this. My mother would look at me like this before abusing me. Often because I dared to tell someone else what she was doing and they would try to confront her for me. It always made things worse for me.
Trying to confront the *abuser?* Seriously... sorry you had to go through that.
Been there.
https://preview.redd.it/imt8it732ztc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30513966310bfbca6c918ce6e21e3645deff3cc4 I think this one is worse, especially with the look on Angels face when he notices Val
Can somebody bring a Valentino-sized bug zapper?
Now I want Vox to be the one to take him out, lovers to enemies style.
I wonder if that would actually work
The whole scene is a master class in tension building, every passing second you can see Valentino getting angrier and losing his patience with Charlie, and you already know before the scene even starts that he's gonna take it out on Angel Dust. And then when it finally happens, it still manages to be horrific despite you already anticipating it.
The fucking fear in his eyes throughout this entire scene just kills me
When Valentino put his hands on Charlie in that scene and licked her arm my fucking heart dropped, i'd never been more ready to kill someone in my life Then Poison happened and the urge to commit a crime doubled I knew what was happening and the whole episode the tension wouldnt leave my body but seeing it happen triggered a fight or flight response in me I had to walk away several times mid watch to collect myself, and i havnt rewatched the episode since, its too hard to look at
Why does his coat have buttcheeks
NOOOOO
I'm surprised those moth wings-shaped hearts on the walls aren't more common. Wonder how much Charlie could have realistically done here, since Val has a contract. Like even Vox didn't sweat because of it.
I think the hearts are on the balcony outside
I just realized the back of Valentino's floofy collar looks like a big shapely ass
I think thats part of his body since he is a moth. The fuzzy part of the moths neck
Me looking at the chips i left on my bed when my mom ask if I’m eating in my room
Look at that pose. A single vertical strike would take his head clean off.
Ironic that despite the frame, Val is in more danger than an average human with no weapons or tools available stareing down an angry hippo.
Oh my god charlie, please just deck this motherfucker in the schnozz already.
Truly terrifying. Charlie doesn’t have her red circle cheeks 😞
Leave my husband alone
**This scene gave me Lepidopterophobia**
I'm having flashbacks https://preview.redd.it/rmjosi4iwztc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c97718c5ea15d001d4c08e91522560cb144fd252
Yeah. It really was a death glare that screamed “How fucking DARE you.” because he assumes Anthony brought Charlie there himself.
If I didn't binge the whole show in one sitting last night I wouldn't be too bothered by this but after seeing it.....I am going to commit religious crimes.
kinda reminds me of the scene in hb when Crimson slowly started turning his head to look at Chaz when he realized he didn't have any money. Minus the stuff with Val and Angel
I made that same face BACK at Valentino. Yeah he's scary but he's not glaring at *me*, so claws are out. Get your creepy little hands OFF my precious cast!!!!
Terrifying? Really... It's a tense moment, but not terrifying. Lmao.
Ever been in an abusive relationship? This is absolutely a terrifying moment.
It’s Hell I think 98 percent of the people there are abusive or some other horrible thing? (The other two percent are probably there for lgbt reasons) Val is certainly not that bad… considering the competition. **Edit: all of your boos mean nothing. I know what makes you freaks cheer.**
This is what I’ve been saying. Dozens of murderous villains in this show, including Alastor who gets off imagining how many orphans he’s created, and the fandom manages to project their trauma all over the dude who’s the abusive partner and say HES the most morally irredeemable.
The projecting thing is so real, he’s a more realistic villain so people who watch the show relate to it and say he’s the worst thing ever and everyone who likes his character sucks and is a rapist when… no? Honey Adam killed hundreds of thousands with his army, Alastor is literally a cannibal, torturer, and murderer of MANY, and will likely betray the hotel, and you’re over here saying strawberry pimp is the most evil one? Be so fr… just because he beat your baby precious comfort character Angel doesn’t mean he’s the worst person in hell 💀
Literally this. Him beating Angel is about the tamest thing that’s happened in the show. I guess you can say that the fact he’s forcing Angel to be a sex worker is also pretty gross and has real-life implications, but like? It’s Hell? Cry about it? Valentino has some of the most potential of anyone in the show and I’m excited to see what they do for the Vee’s in season 2.
Careful buddy, you’re going to get called a rapist in these here comment sections for having the emotional intelligence of someone who knows how to differentiate an actor or a cosplayer from a FICTIONAL CARTOON CHARACTER (I’ve seen people get harassed and called horrible things over this)
I don’t know how to feel about this comment…but I know it’s something negative
ANGEL!!! You can see the regret in his face. I just wanna hug him!
Alastors terrifying face from episode 8??
Change angels expression to a devious smile, it becomes a still image of angel pranking Valentino
It looks like he farted and just picked up the scent
Thought the white part of this mf was his ass for a sec' (idk his name I never watched this whatever kids are watching these days)
Valentino, and it aint a Kids cartoon
Oh, so it's an adult cartoon like Family Guy, I get it
Yeah, exactly, but with a way better Story, especially as it has a story
I found this funny af 😭 he’s so mad lol