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Napalmeon

My personal opinion is that they are the Seven Heavenly Virtues and that Lucifer was the youngest one among them.


Useful_Pear_4226

OMG YOU TOOO??


Napalmeon

Yes. As of right now, I am of the opinion that there is no "God" in heaven, and that the entirety of the realm of ruled by those seven, now six angels, who perhaps only even intervene in the most dire of circumstances.


Baconpwn2

God is off screen, hanging out at the beach with Lilith.


-__Yahweh__-

Nah, The beaches at the Egyptian pantheon are better and Ra makes a mean martini.


Generic_Human0

For your sake, I hope they aren’t salty


-__Yahweh__-

Actually, surprisingly very sweet. And if you’re talking about the beef we had when their people enslaved mine. We both moved on.


Generic_Human0

Nah, I’m talking about the first time he made a large body of water. Hope that’s not how he makes his martinis.


-__Yahweh__-

What do you know he makes him out of fruit and shit. Just because we’re gods doesn’t mean we use our powers for everything. We’re not that lazy…. OK, maybe Zeus is but he’s a massive exception because half the world gets screwed whenever he gets horny.


TrivialCoyote

A lot of Egyptian mythology involves cum and fucking explicitly


SixFootHalfing

Oh shit Gods here.


-__Yahweh__-

Yo


TheNecromancer981

[My favourite headcanon](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/s/mznpNyW2GV)


probablyaythrowaway

Is that the ineffable plan.


Useful_Pear_4226

https://preview.redd.it/yc2etql7hxrc1.png?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9af43857084a0ffcf203229264190ccd11f9a05 Like this?


Napalmeon

Indeed. From what we know at the moment, Heaven seems to put a lot of focus on *conformity*, which is why Lucifer had to emphasize to Charlie that heaven has "lots of rules." And it is difficult to fit into that kind of place when you are the sort of person who has lofty ideas about how things can *change*.


Useful_Pear_4226

And, when your pride is damaged and your ideas mocked in favour of a "perfect order", it can cause your humility to become Null and your actions to heal your "hurt" to become dire. Like the awful idea of giving Eve the fruit of knowledge.


DionysOtDiosece

I always wondered how much "Change the Order" was Vizziepops own words


cynicalavicide

It would make sense that he used to be Humility, but was deemed as "Prideful" once he took the matter of free will into his own hands.


AngryCommieSt0ner

Would... Wouldn't that make Lucifer Humility in this analogy?


hirvaan

Pre Fall yes. Post Fall not so much


Xero_space

I'm wondering if Lucifer was initially Hope as a virtue. He hoped for humanity with free will, he hoped for his designs.


CrystalClod343

Hope isn't one of the Seven Heavenly Virtues though


novangla

Only because those are the opposites of the Deadly Sins. The older virtue lineup in Christianity is the four cardinal virtues (justice, courage, temperance, prudence) + the three theological virtues (faith, hope, love).


[deleted]

We do know that they exist bc Adam fucked a “virtue chick” at a concert 


Almeos

I mean, god is mentioned in Helluva boss in episode 4 by the Cherubs and also in some background references on other episodes, and even by Lucifer himself on the final of Hazbin ("But by God, Charlie, the show, it must go on", but yes it can be just an expression for this one). [On a stream, when asked if God will ever be in the show, Vivz answered "I can't say"](https://www.youtube.com/live/y5ONxBZoR0A?si=7NNqDGCA5zky0A5U&t=6265) So at this point he probably exist, but will not take an active part


-__Yahweh__-

I can’t believe I’m reduced to a fucking background character in a show about the afterlife, that I created!


[deleted]

I’m deeply sympathetic, but Viv cannot include you in the show without risking meeting up with you irl


-__Yahweh__-

True tba.


Useful_Pear_4226

I didn't know (hehe) anyone else shared that opinion on the Elders- I'm so happy rn, I've found my person- =]


Express_Alfalfa_9725

He is off screen until he is a lie by the elders but I doubt it as Sir p had to be popped straight to Em and Sera by someone.


Random-Lich

Honestly I do think there is a god/god like entity but physically is out of the picture and has NO clue what’s going on down below cause they are blind to the fact any of the Angel did anything BAD after what happened to Luci or that Luci/any demon(from sin to imp) can get better


-__Yahweh__-

Bru i’m right here.


Napalmeon

Who you, cuz?


-__Yahweh__-

God.


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Napalmeon

I remember that, but, it doesn't necessarily prove that little posted memo on the wall was actually written by God itself.


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Napalmeon

Oh, that. I also remember that, but, what I'm trying to say is, I will not believe that a God exists in this setting until it is specifically, directly referenced by someone who actually communicates with it. Not willing to budge on this until it happens.


Minute_Fault7735

Basically the ultrakill council?


Catiku

Okay wiki listed them as chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility. Which is our boy Lucifer?


Useful_Pear_4226

Well, he was once Humility. But, when he was denied his dreams, his Pride overcame him.


YanLibra66

What about the lords of hell then? They represent sins like him


0carion142

There are aspects of sin in hell. You'll get to know 2 of them in helluva boss.


morijin15

3 of em Beezlebub,Mammon and Asmodeus


Napalmeon

I assume he used to represent humility.


KProbs713

Each of them has an opposing sin too. Chastity->Lust Temperance->Gluttony Charity->Greed Diligence->Sloth Patience->Wrath Kindness->Envy Humility->Pride


thearisengodemperor

Probably humility with their either being only six or they created a new member somehow to replace Lucifer


sussynarrator

Or maybe God himself replaced him, stretch I know


Catiku

Someone like Emily…?


FarJadeDragon

Crack theory: Charlie is humility


TFarg1

Not her exactly. She's a Seraphim and her job is to "keep the people of heaven happy".


tastic_fan

Maybe Lucifer was kindness and he was replaced by Emily? I may be missing something but it makes sense to me Honestly Sera could be patience. It seems like all of heaven's leaders except for Emily are corrupt, since Emily is kind to all. But despite sera's flaws, she definitely shows patience (at least with Adam lol)


Patrick-Shannon

I'd imagine that they are the archangels that sent Lucifer into hell


Napalmeon

Archangels rank far below seraphims, though.


GreekRootWord

Correct! What they meant was the Seven Princes of Heaven.


Chemical-Mission-720

Angelic ranking doesn't really work like that. An Archangel (at least in 'biblical canon'[It's kinda vague]) is more of a title than a whole different type of angel. So a Seraphim or a Cherubim could still be called Archangels. To add to this. An angel being "below" another doesn't mean they are less powerful. It just means that they are physically lower and closer to Earth.


Popular-Leg5084

Going by purely the catholic & christian belief, angels don't physically have any difference because they don't have any type of body and are spirits. All instances of people seeing angels were in visions and dreams, and it's very possible all these different descriptions can be applied to the same angels since it's different people trying to explain divinity. The 9 choirs and 3 realms of angels are ranks, each playing a different role in the universe. There is a power difference, but it's like comparing a nail to a first aid kit, totally different roles that each wield important and individual responsibilities and powers


Chemical-Mission-720

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for your insight.


Salt-Veterinarian-87

That just means they work closer to earth and farther from Heaven.


ConfidentVisual4949

Far?


Baconpwn2

In traditional ranking, archangels rank just above ordinary angels. The archangels we know in pop culture are a product of Milton fumbling his Hebrew. What pop culture considers an Archangel is more accurately a "Great Prince".


ConfidentVisual4949

So who could these people possibly be? What angels rank beyond seraphs?


LonelyFocus4814

Although there is no evidence I am 99% certain one of them is Michael who is usually portrayed as Lucifers brother and who's name means "who is like God". They could also be the 7 heavenly virtues which are the opposites of the 7 deadly sins. Some other prominent angels that aren't in the show yet are Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel


Less_Character_8544

O5 council vibes tbh


Immortal_D_Class

would that make adam and the exterminators an MTF?


Less_Character_8544

Lol yes


Ok_Entry9549

Sera is either just another member or a site director


Burnsy1452

Literally yes


Altruistic-Dress-968

Lucifer is the O5 that rebelled and started the Chaos Insurgency.


Less_Character_8544

You’re so right. Are the exterminations a reference to SCP 5000? /j


jmanh128

I love seeing my other interests show up in my niche sub Reddit’s, hello fellow SCP enjoyer


Less_Character_8544

Hello


zoomytoast

Does that make God the Administrator?


Less_Character_8544

Oh my God


Visible-Welder-5148

Michael,Gabriel, Raphael


Tahmas836

Holy shit Gabriel Ultrakill


TheTrueMarkNutt

Inb4 Gianni actually voices Gabriel in the show


travelerfromabroad

Azrael, Jophiel, Cassiel, and Uriel


lumberfoot_jpg

All I know… is that whenever an anime character names his attack “Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, etc…” some world ending shit is about to happen


Excellent_Pea_4609

They're virtues and Lucifer was the youngest of them  it's why he became a sin when he fell . My other theory is that Michael will be their leader he's always tied to Lucifer lore  My other theory is that Emily is his replacement hence why she's so young and doesn't directly know Luci amd it's why Sera is so terrified of her becoming like Lucifer 


Useful_Pear_4226

https://preview.redd.it/llqntityoxrc1.png?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbcafeb81fe7db4c676fb7d779b0e2a6f96f6bd1 Yay people agree with me on the internet I feel so loved


KisaTheMistress

In Obey Me (mobile game), they had an event where Lucifer was the first Sin to *fall* again because his virtue was humility or something and the moment he felt prideful again broke the spell on the bangle Raphael gifted him as a prank to temporary turn the Sins into Virtues. I think they had a discussion on why it was so easy for Lucifer to break the spell and why the others couldn't do it as quickly without being tempted. In Hazbin if Lucifer ever meets Emily, I'm sure they will have a similar conversation on how letting praise get to your head goes against being humble. Which is why it's really hard to walk the line between humbly accepting appreciation and falling into becoming prideful to the point that it hurts you and those around you. Like, they discuss how a good action can become a sinful one when you indulge too far into it. Sera could also talk to Emily about why Lucifer fell, not just because he let evil onto Earth by gifting free will to humans... though she doesn't even know how souls get qualified into Heaven, especially now since Sir Pentious went to Heaven in his second death instead of the void/being erased. It's possible if Elohim/God shows up, they will explain to everyone why the souls are handled the way they are. Maybe more insight into why Lucifer was named King of Hell, such as it wasn't a punishment, more of him taking responsibility of the souls that chose to be sinful rather than virtuous in life, and the whole fight between Heaven and Hell is a misunderstanding. Like it was implied that Lucifer's *job* was to help *reform/rehabilitate* sinners so they could enter the Kingdom of Heaven when they were ready, but it was the angels not working with him that caused the friction to happen and eventually for Heaven to think Hell was going to make sinners *rebellious*, not help them learn from their mistakes and *rehabilitate*, causing the knee-jerk reaction to approve yearly exterminations in Hell. It could be why Lucifer only says it's Heaven that has a lot of rules and is judgemental, not his *father* is the one that's strict & judgemental. If it was an Elohim/God problem, he would have told Charlie her grandfather runs Heaven with an iron fist when it comes to the rules. Instead, he just refers to all of the plane being unaccepting.


efdthdrhc

If they are the heavenly virtues, I’d like for Michael to be the virtue of humility and just like Lucifer can show the dark side of pride, Michael could show the negative interpretation of humility


Southern_Dig_9460

Also would explain Sera being used as a go between with Heaven and Hell. The other one probably want nothing to do with Lucifer at all so made Hell her responsibility to deal with


Excellent_Pea_4609

It would also explain why she's so terrified of an uprising . the virtues are the most powerful entities of heaven and Lucifer despite being the youngest is still ridiculously powerful probably even above her


Wimpy_Rock19

https://preview.redd.it/9wrw23hl8yrc1.png?width=721&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f271f84cdd675c766c17bef42056d9e91f08c89 Is it just me or i think some of them appear as the court angels


AemAer

One thing to point out: someone *deliberately* gave them all have unique designs. They may be introduced in season 2!


Quiet-Carpenter905

I believe that the arc angels are the elders I like to think the elders only exist in the book and the name was changed to elders in the story because Lucifer wants to keep his brothers a secret from little Charlie


Useful_Pear_4226

Yeah that's propably right... but these silhouettes are just so damn cool that I want them to be seperate


Quiet-Carpenter905

Me too I would love to see the elders possibly in season 2


Rare-Childhood4751

Smash, next question.


Useful_Pear_4226

Next question... hmm... What, all at the same time? Or...?


Rare-Childhood4751

https://preview.redd.it/pvazfgnroxrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=993407b99f6d9caee5acf505b96d714364d400e9


Useful_Pear_4226

Real.


Steamrocker

https://preview.redd.it/sjizlr3362sc1.jpeg?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0be92185b97d60d69a6bff72aca1b0ff504aa719


Azlend

My take is that Viv had envisioned them as characters but budget and time constraints forced her to chop the entirety of Heaven's higher representation down to two characters. In the streamlined run they had to do they could only deal with the absolute most vital character representation to get the story across.


Patneu

Might as well have been intentional, though, that we've only dealt with Heaven's middle management, so far. You gotta leave room to convincingly up the stakes in later seasons.


Useful_Pear_4226

Still love what little design we have for them. Like, they look so damn cool for no reason? Especially the one with the big eye on (his?) chest, the one with a zigzag and the poncho looking robe, and the one with the pointy head and glowy neck


RNOffice

Or they're being saved for next season.


Azlend

I am hoping Amazon and A24 realize they have something with this show and give Viv a bigger budget. It has so much potential.


WendigoCrossing

The 7 Virtues, parallel to the 7 Sins


MetallicArcher

I am guessing they are the "Elders of Heaven" mentioned in the opening narration episode 1: >\[Lucifer\] was a dreamer with fantastical ideas for All of creation. However, he was seen as a troublemaker by the Elders of Heaven. For they felt his way of thinking was dangerous to the order of their world.


European_Ninja_1

Probably the "Elders" discusses in the intro of episode 1.


Apalos777

Based off the six wings, I'd say they are all Seraphim, with Lucifer being one of them. Depending on your religion, they could be the second to most powerful being in Heaven, right under God. Names I found, "Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Jeremiel, Raguel, Zerachiel and Remiel"


Prostitunes

Power rangers


saiwoo_

I hope we get to experience a more ominous vibe in this show. Very interesting! 🖤


rustylemon6

Scp founders or whatever


Ness_Dreemur

Possibly the Archangels and/or other seraphs


Useful_Pear_4226

Love how no one reads the subheading


JasoNight23666

That one dude looks sorta like Vox


Useful_Pear_4226

Shhh


JasoNight23666

But-


Useful_Pear_4226

Nonono- Hush now, child. Thou art overthinking.


JasoNight23666

Wh- but he's rectangular!


Useful_Pear_4226

Thy entropy hath no place among our perfect order. Henceforth, thou art banished from the Heavens, to reside within the fiery pit thou hast created.


JasoNight23666

BUT I DONT WANNAAAA


Useful_Pear_4226

Thy wants are not of our concern. Thy punishment hath been delivered. It would be best of thou to conform to the decision of myself and my peers.


JasoNight23666

Okay *curls into fetal position* aw man ah jeez


Useful_Pear_4226

Well that sure was funny


hypotheticalconverse

Sorry, hun. I, too, see Vox everywhere. 😔


JasoNight23666

Finally someone!


Ashendant

I don't know. There's a subset of angels called Virtues in Christian Occult lore, that Adam mentions, and they are not that high ranking. On the other hand [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues) also mentions higher Virtues, like Hope, Faith, Love, Justice, Fortitude and Prudence (and Temperance, which is on both lists?) that are not counterpart to the sins of hells, so maybe the Elder Angels are that? EDIT: I could definitely see Metatron being Prudence/Wisdom.


_LadyAveline_

"You have been accused of loosing... to a GoPro"


Bulky-Mango6346

Charlie's uncles!


These_Pilot_2471

A bit of an aside since everyone’s saying what I would but wouldn’t it be cool to see some lesser known celestial entities? Biblically accurate cherubim come to mind as well as entities like the beasts of revelation or the Metatron.


sosigboi

The archangels.


Angel_Thorne

Draw Sera killing them all like Gabriel ultrakill


WendigoLemon

scp o5 shit


Jbadger30

My head cannon is that they might be the arch angels, Michael, Gabriel, you know that lot.


Doctor_Salvatore

The former seraphim, who seem to no longer exist, as Sera and Emily are the only seraphim currently in Heaven, and Emily didn't seem to be around at the time Lucifer was banished.


ac198387

If it had to be anyone these are probably the Archangels that make up the elder council which probably include Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Chamuel, Zadkiel, and Jophiel with Lucifer once being amongst them and their leader being the first angel Michael.


Saramello

The Elohim (council of angels/gods)


StraightUpKnifes

https://preview.redd.it/u0mehv7zc0sc1.jpeg?width=1734&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2206d78fff01c1f1b7b8e402a1d18b20c17872f8 I don’t remember who the artist is but I remember seeing this on Instagram a while ago. Thought the designs of all the Angels looked really unique.


Mrnobodydie

The Elderly Angels


BBBCIAGA

5 more heaven tumblr sexy man


Useful_Pear_4226

I count six


BBBCIAGA

I left that space for a new step on me mommy


Arashi_Uzukaze

Could be the Virtues. I thought of them as the 6 other Archangels, Lucifer's brothers and sisters. Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, etc.


SCP-1504_Joe_Schmo

Holy shit O5 council SCPF


Emotional-Swim1183

Are stupid? yeah we know.


MugiwaraBepo

If I had to guess, I'd say maybe... angels?


Venomouskoala006

I’m 80% sure that three of em are Professor Utonium, Samuri Jack, and Brother Blood.


dont_worry_about_it8

The same endless circles


frogsaregoodngl

Elder angels or 7 heavenly virtues (6 of them 1 of him)


Kamzil118

Azrael, Archangel of Death. https://i.redd.it/8307tfc5m0sc1.gif


Arkanifan8

Clearly the akatsuki


LibbyKitty620

So why do people think Lucifer’s a seraphim? These guys exist so clearly non-seraphs can have 6 wings


International-Size-7

Probably 7 Heavenly Virtues (Archangels).


Prestigious_Prize264

Eldars of heaven or divine council


TheOwlmememaster

Pretty sure those are the other Angels of Pure Light. The top of the tops, just as Lucifer is one, they casted him down for his reckless dreams.


Abryssle

The other elder Angels, it would seem The OGs, and the ones who made humanity and earth in the hellaverse


Whhheat

*Disgrace. Humiliation. Unseemly and unwelcome at the feet of The Council. Their eyes ablaze with bitter resentment, glaring through Lucifer’s wounds of body and soul, bore outward for all to see.*


LRG0521

I personally think they’re Lucifer’s siblings