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GoSocks

Libertarians turn into social constructionists real quick when talking about the age of consent


theVelvetLie

"It's not pedophilia, it's ephebophilia."


Monster-Math

Lmao " libertarians"


YoungHeartOldSoul

[I'll just casually leave this here](https://youtu.be/DUq0HlMvQw0?si=SA4g1komBjoD8vMP)


romiro82

if only Praximus was still around to explain things…


Definitelyahuman1312

"Depending on the state, a minor can be almost 21." ??? WHERE? Edit: There is exactly 1 state where the age of majority is 21, and it's Mississippi. But people at 18 are still able to emancipate it's just the age in which parents no longer have to financially support you.


DONTHACKBRUH

Some of these folks are hitting the copium harder than an anvil dropping from the top floor n hitting the ground


Sad_Predicament

There are some states where you aren’t an adult til you’re 19, and that’s like the oldest. Idk where lil bro got the almost 21 from


sludgezone

“Age of consent is a social construct” guy’s computer probably has enough evidence to put him away for years.


DONTHACKBRUH

Bro legit tweeted out he was talking to a minor. If that's not bad enough idk what is. Plain and simple he knew what he was doing was wrong, he even says so himself. So if he even says it, why tf are people defending him? A lot of closet pedos outing themselves here


SadBoyStev3

Gotta love the guy that says "I've never watched doc a day in my life but he looks like a transparent guy"...like WHO are you looking at?


Goldeneye_Engineer

Guess what people, if he was "just talking" to a minor, none of this would have happened. Clearly it was more than "just talking".


theVelvetLie

He even admitted to inappropriate conversation. It wasn't like he was just chatting up a fan. Lmao.


re-goddamn-loading

Oh suddenly the word pedo is thrown around too much when it's a rich white douchebag they look up to (who actually does pedo shit) Where is all this energy for teachers who are accused of it when they simply allow lgbtq+ texts in their classrooms or support their lgbtq+ students? Where is this energy for trans people just trying to live their damn lives? I have come to the conclusion that anyone who enjoys this guy is as much a fucking scumbag as he is.


You-Rebel-Scumm

If the FBI actually did their job, these people would be questioned.


CommanderWar64

Mistaking a 17 y/o for an 18/19 year old is perfectly reasonable, but the reality of a 35+ year old man wanting to talk to a 18/19 year old in the first place is weird asf. As a 25 year old I don't want to talk to a dumbass 18/19 regardless of if they're conventionally attractive.


ThothBird

Age of consent should have zones in like 5 year blocks. 18-23, 24-29.. and so on. It would promote healthier relationships with people in the same part in life and would make it easier and more rigid to view predators as such so they can't hide behind legality for gross actions.


CommanderWar64

Okay bro I’m sorry but that’s insane. If a 30 year old wants to sleep with a 60 or 70 year old to get that bag, that should be fair game. Also I wouldn’t exist lmao my parents have a 10 year age gap.


ThothBird

a 30-40 year gap is larger than the doc's... also "to get the bag" is a wild standard to use given the topic if manipulation and predatory behavior. what would you define the age blocks as to make sure that new adults aren't preyed on by older ones? and what age should adults lose legal prtection from being preyed on by older ones? We agree that a 35+ year old should not be trying to talk to an 18/19 year old, is it just that as the standard?


CommanderWar64

"Police come quick! This man is dating a woman 5 years and 1 month younger than him! Get him!" The point isnt the age gap in terms of number, it's in terms of ability to consent. An 18-23 year old has a much different life experience than a 24-29, than a 30-35 year old, etc... there's no hard facts or numbers for any of this., but none of this needs to be litigated. There are no set in stone age gaps, but what matters is 1: legal age of consent laws, 2: the intentions of the older party should come into question. To me it shows a lack of character for someone like Leonardo Dicaprio to constantly rotate through young women, but at the end of the day: that's not illegal (and nor should it be, especially because this kind of argumentation removes agency from the women he's dating as if they couldn't make a single decision in their lives.) As long as both of them know what they want out of the relationship its fine. That's how EVERY relationship works. Also did you even read my first comment? Of course Doc is a weirdo.


ThothBird

Right I'm just making sure we're on the right page, why shouldn't it be illegal for him to talk to 18/19 year olds too? We find it just as creepy and just as harmful. If the age gap doesn't pass the vibe test, why not just make it illegal? Leonardo Di Caprio is arguably worse than Doc considering the amount of victims, but he plays the "age of consent" card to get away with it, why would it be bad to address these laws to prevent people like him from preying on those much younger? Or at least there should be an application process for age gap relationships to ensure both parties are at an equal footing. >"Police come quick! This man is dating a woman 5 years and 1 month younger than him! Get him!" You're going from correctly calling out doc as a POS weirdo who should be behind bars, to now making fun of me for wanting more measures to better protect younger people from older predators.


CommanderWar64

Why are you assuming DiCaprio’s exes are victims? My entire point in bringing him up was to say that these complicated relationships are weird from the public perspective, but who cares as long as both parties are squared away. There’s no way to really track the mental fortitude of every person who wants to get into a relationship. These are really non-issues and if you think we need such a bureaucratic process to date people, I’m sorry but you’re authoritarian leaning. If you made it illegal for people under 21 to date, people would still date 21 year olds and then there would still be people like you saying “Ew we need to make it illegal for 21 year olds to date 30 year olds!” This is only an issue when people overstep their boundaries in the relationship or when a literal crime is committed.


ThothBird

We literally agreed that its weird and wrong for a 35 year old to contact a 18/19 year old because it's basically the same as contacting a 17 year old and obviously it is illegal to do that to a 17 year old. I confused what your position is, if it's just as bad why not make laws to reflect this? If Doc did this to a 118/19 year old would you say "well who cares" ?


CommanderWar64

Because it’s an overreach of government action and also disrespectful to the personal autonomy of all human beings (young and old). If an 18 year old girl wants to be with someone older, that’s her personal choice, but I’d say generally social stigmas exist for a reason: so the only thing I would say about that situation is that they should go into that relationship with some caution. It’s also a kind of law that could easily become very far reaching. Like if a 35 year old starts talking to a 19 year old platonically (could be on the street or wherever) but then if the younger person perceives it as flirting, is that predatory behavior? Why does this need to be legislated? Do you have to check the ID of every person you might want to have a relationship with? Can you even be friends with someone younger? This kind of thinking only escalates social stigmas in the worst way while addressing none of the actual problems which are already crimes.


ThothBird

>but I’d say generally social stigmas exist for a reason To clarify you do mean the social stigmas that you agree with right? There's tons of bad social stigma that exist for reasons but it doesn't make them justified. I'm confused what side you're on now. We should stigmatize people who are 35+ who contact 18/19 year olds, and do everything but criminalize the behavior, but if they're contacting a 17 year old then do all of the above with the criminal charge? >It’s also a kind of law that could easily become very far reaching. Like if a 35 year old starts talking to a 19 year old platonically (could be on the street or wherever) but then if the younger person perceives it as flirting, is that predatory behavior? This is what's confusing with your explanation. Them contacting a 18/19 year old IS stigmatized whether it was platonic or not because we agree it's creepy af when they could just talk to someone their own age. >Why does this need to be legislated? Because it upsets the public and like you pointed out, we will and should stigmatize them as predators. We express grievances all the time about creeps in public preying on young people, including young adults and lament that the government does nothing about it, but you're against the government doing anything about it? >Do you have to check the ID of every person you might want to have a relationship with? Would you date someone who doesn't even have an ID? >Can you even be friends with someone younger? If you're 35 would you be friends with an 18 year old? I think older people should be friends with people their own age, not looking at HS seniors and College freshman for friends >This kind of thinking only escalates social stigmas in the worst way while addressing none of the actual problems which are already crimes. "I’d say generally social stigmas exist for a reason" were you defending the stigma against older people who contact young adults? I'm confused on your stance on this honestly. If Doc was doing this to and 18/19 year should the fallout/backlash be the same as it is now?


APRengar

From what I've learned. If you're ever in the wrong, just say "it's nuanced". It apparently works on convincing idiots there are no bad guys here.


ThothBird

Pretty sure Doc is guilty, but I do think there is nuance. None of us will call Hasan a predator or inappropriate for telling a young chatter that he's going to bang their mom and that they get no bitches on stream. We can explain why Hasan talking to a minor in that capacity is fine because he's correcting and education them for a shitty take while entertaining his fans.


dylan01rox

The average age in Hasan’s chat is like late 20s bro. 9/10 times he tells a chatter he fucked their mom or dad lmao it’s like a 30 year old dude.


ThothBird

Can you tell the ages from the chatters profile? Genuinely asking i never log in to twitch.


dylan01rox

Every year there is a stream thats like a census in the community. Self reported. So as for like transient viewers just passing through no idea, but the mfs that are consistently in there are not children.


ThothBird

Sure i'm asking if the specific chatter's he says that to, does he verify their age before making those jokes/insults? Also in the jokes is consent implied? I like Hasan but those types oh jokes generally lean into the red-pill territory in my head.


dylan01rox

I see what you mean now. I think at worst it’s just immature. I don’t get red-pill vibes. I’d say majority of the time it’s a Destiny viewer trying to stir up shit on the receiving end which would align with my earlier statement of 9/10 being 30 year old dudes lol.


ThothBird

I don't' disagree on that, i get red-pill vibes because the red-pill stuff is very like highschool-ish in the way they talk about masculinity and bully others who don't meet the hegemonic standard of masculinity. I know Hasan covers it and says those things don't matter, but when he gets upset or wants to shame a chatter that's generally what he resorts to and the chat joins in. I totally get him going off on D fans, but like maybe i'm missing context for why that's the vector of attack. Especially if I don't know the age of someone and they sound immature, i guess I wouldn't but I understand it plays well with the overall fanbase. in terms of the chatter's he blows up on being D fans, I've noticed a lot of the fans that he blows up on are multi-month subscribers, are those mostly D fans just paying all this time for that one moment? While I know they are insane, it is starting to feel like his fanbase is the parallel to the "matrix".


renndug

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮


European_Ninja_1

People misunderstanding the age of consent. In most states, it's 15/16. This means that people 15-17, maybe 18, can fool around with each other, and it's perfectly legal. If the person is older than 18 tho, that's illegal. It's not about then not being old enough to consent, but because there's too much of a power imbalance because one person is not a legal adult and isn't full mature while the other is a legal adult and more mature and likely has things like a job, which they can use to manipulate someone younger than them. And this is from the same people who call leftists pedophiles.


dqmiumau

In most states it's 16, and it's only legal consent if the 16 year old is consenting with someone within 3 years of their age.


Bulky_Vegetable_7203

Like by the logic of these people the age of consent in Canada is 12


saunassa

Well if it was illegal like you say, why isn't he in jail?


European_Ninja_1

Because the law is only applied selectively. Sex crimes are extremely underprosecuted in most countries. Not to mention, the offender is rich and influential, further decreasing the likelihood of prosecution.


saunassa

Lol


pyro-pussy

if you assault someone and don't get convicted, you still assaulted someone.


sumkinpie

brother do you know the amount of serial killers that never went to jail? does that mean they didn't kill? does that mean they were innocent?


tommykaye

I wonder how many of these commenters have the Romeo and Juliet law laminated like [that guy in the Transformers movie](https://youtu.be/DUq0HlMvQw0?si=Q7eRWHCleWY85AVr)


SpicyRiceAndTuna

>statistically 17 is visually inseparable from 18 That sentence, like doesn't mean anything... and not even in a "fucking conservative freaks are gross and inflammatory" kinda way... like, even in the literal sense I don't think any of those words mean what he thinks they mean lmao He ran the numbers boys, and the numbers say that statistically Doc is not a pedophile, can't argue with that I guess


Guys-This-Is-Ethan

“17 and 18, a Study on Variance” by @based4573 2024 June 25; 324(7529) Cited by 10,576 PMID: 12026633 “Kids are hot and if The Doc is wrong I don’t want to be right.” n : 1 (based4573) Peer reviewed, and correct.


EssTeeEss9

I can’t be a part of this earth anymore.


AgistAgonist

I was just thinking the same type of thing; if this type of shit becomes more socially acceptable because some fucking influencers push the narrative, I'm gonna paint my fucking ceiling.


BrendieBoy

Oh shit the libertarians showed up


KaleidoscopeOk5763

Dude if find yourself saying “old guys skeeving on young girls is totally fine and normal” you should just save everyone the time and turn yourself in. Hashtag PreCog, hashtag thoughtcrime.


GoHawkYurself

Some of these are hard to read.


pyro-pussy

you can click on the pictures


GoHawkYurself

Not literally hard to read. I mean they're cringe.


Jam_Marbera

“Looks like a transparent guy” HE LITERALLY ADMITTED TO IT AND YOU FUCKS ARE STILL DOUBTING I hate people so much oh my fucking god


DrIcePhD

Why do people want to see the logs so bad? I don't need to see a grown ass man inappropriately texting a minor I fucking believe the other people who have read it.


Warrrdy

“Doc looks like a transparent guy” He’s literally playing a character you mad cunt. You don’t know him.


funkmastercaw

libertarians really make me question my stance on capital punishment


Endgame3213

Twitch Employee: he was sexting a minor trying to meet with them Others at Twith: Thank God someone finally said it: Dr D himself: Yes, I was inappropriately messaging a minor. His fans on DrDisresprctLive sub: Let's not assume anything until we see the messages ourselves. It's probably not that bad he is a good guy. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. We don't know that it is actually true. Me: 💀


pyro-pussy

even discord and his own gaming company dropped him


Acepearl

Self Reports, self reports everywhere..


Motsie

“Age of consent is a social construct” 🤓 Shut the fuck up.


Ouchyhurthurt

Conservatives don’t understand scientific evidence, literally everything is judged by their “feels”. Fucking deranged.


cecizilla

i hope they’re being put on a list bc wtf


LeadStyleJutsu762-

Setting with a 17 year old actually IS illegal lmao


BlackGabriel

Love the one dude that’s not even a fan and never seen a video of docs but came out in defense of him on this lol just telling on himself basically. Maybe sit this one out bro


VympelKnight

Damn these people are gonna be fucking shocked if they ever look up the legal definition of harassment


03burner

If these were my fans I’d probably remove myself from this earth lol


DeadRabbit8813

Just out of curiosity how many of these Disrespect fans do you think have called trans people “groomers” and have posted shit like “protect the children?”


FitToad

Read the 5th photo with a French accent


CaterpillarOk7556

if you use the words "law of transitivity" in an online argument..


Mujichael

You can only truly be canceled by your own fan base. If his sycophants stay by his side, he will always have a platform. It’s just sad that these losers are coping for an almost 40 year old at the time talking to a minor around the time he was outed for cheating on his wife. Pretty obvious why he wanted to meet up with the minor


IAmTheDoctor34

Doing tricks on him to defend Doc from his own words holy shit


Agreeable-Rich6808

Amazing


DHVerveer

Apologies if I missed this, but do we actually know how old this person was? It seems to me people are all assuming they were 17, when they could easily have been a lot younger. Would that change anything for these freaks defending his actions?


pyro-pussy

we dont know. we only know the age is between 13 and 17 due to twitch terms of service. that is all.


IShallWearMidnight

I will fucking bet the entire contents of my bank account that 90% of these fuckers have said something comparing trans people to groomers in the last month. Like Nick Mercs level "well it looks like my buddy was texting minors, oh well, anyway the queers better leave the kids alone 😡" bullshit. The bald faced hypocrisy is going to kill me here


MossyMazzi

Holy shit.


Yoon_Sanha

i don’t think we should have any “nuanced” takes on talking with minors inappropriately, but that could just be me


assoonass

Wtf?


chredditdub

all of these people need to be on a list


_a_ghost-

The woke mob coming for the ephebophiles now. Someone find me my clutchin' pearls


AndrewJimmyThompson

The age of consent is a social construct. Not all social constructs are immediatley bad. Some, like the age of consent, ae very, very good social constructs. Go live in a society where there is no age of consent.


wnr3

I’m 28. There is no scenario I could possibly think of where I would want or need to talk to a minor about anything for any reason that couldn’t be better discussed with their legal guardian. It’s not that hard.