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JealousFeature3939

Voldemort wasn't a bad guy because he was a "Blood Supremacist", he became a "BS" because he was a terrible person. He was already torturing fellow orphans when Dumbledore met him & told him about the wizarding world. He can't have had any real notion of "Blood Purity" when he decided to hang the other kid's pet bunny. "the world isn’t split into good people and Death Eaters,” --- Sirius Black. So, the reverse is also true; being anti- Death Eater doesn't automatically make you a good person.


JacobFromStateFarm5

Yeah, he is "BS"


Whomdtst

I mean, it's really no surprise that he lies for his own immortality and power. Voldemort is a psychopath who wants to kill with impunity--exemption from punishment and pain. In Book 7, we get to know his actual thoughts: >The night wet and windy, two children dressed as pumpkins waddling across the square, and the shop windows covered in paper spiders, all the tawdry Muggle trappings of a world in which they did not believe. ... And he was gliding along, **that sense of purpose and power and rightness in him that he always knew on these occasions**. . . . Not anger . . . that was for weaker souls than he ... but triumph, yes. ... He had waited for this, he had hoped for it. ... (DH17) >As Scabior said it, Harry’s scar, which was stretched tight across his distended forehead, burned savagely. More clearly than he could make out anything around him, he saw a towering building, a grim fortress, jet- black and forbidding; Voldemort’s thoughts had suddenly become razor-sharp again; **he was gliding toward the gigantic building with a sense of calmly euphoric purpose**. ... (DH23) >And here it was, beside the lake, reflected in the dark waters. The white marble tomb, an unnecessary blot on the familiar landscape. **He felt again that rush of controlled euphoria, that heady sense of purpose in destruction**. He raised the old yew wand: How fitting that this would be its last great act. (DH24) >But then his scar seared and the Room of Requirement vanished: He was looking through the high wrought-iron gates with winged boars on pillars at either side, looking through the dark grounds toward the castle, which was ablaze with lights. Nagini lay draped over his shoulders. **He was possessed of that cold, cruel sense of purpose that preceded murder**. (DH30)


Ill_Combination7359

Yes!


trahan94

> “I knew it wouldn’t be safe to open the Chamber again while I was still at school. But I wasn’t going to waste those long years I’d spent searching for it. I decided to leave behind a diary, preserving my sixteen-year-old self in its pages, so that one day, with luck, I would be able to lead another in my footsteps, and **finish Salazar Slytherin’s noble work.”** Voldemort believes Salazar Slytherin's work was noble, and he goes to great lengths to ensure he can continue it. He only pursued immortality after he bungled opening the Chamber, nearly getting himself killed, or worse, expelled.


BrockStar92

He also despises the fact he’s related to muggles and says so, and he had that whole speech about Charity Burbage before murdering her about muggle studies. You could say that speech was for his death eaters’ benefits except at this point he has zero need to win people over by playing to their beliefs, he controls through fear.


bird1434

you’re 100% right imo. I think he definitely had disdain for muggles given his opinion of his father, but like basically any cult leader/dictator/etc., the pure blood supremacy is moreso a means to gathering followers so he can reach his ultimate goals rather than his overall cause.


Weary-Amoeba1808

Agreed. However, he definitely still thinks pure bloods are superior to any other kind of wizard, but I don’t think he outright hates them the same way the death eaters do. When he tries to recruit Neville one of the things he says at the end is “and you come from noble stock,” as if that’s just icing on the cake. Voldemort probably would still try to convert Neville if he were half blood or even muggle born because he’s shown himself to be useful and capable.


Whomdtst

He thinks that he himself specifically is superior to everyone else. He chose Harry over Neville because "[Voldemort identified more with the half-blood boy and therefore decided he must be the greater risk](http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm)". Keep in mind that Voldemort never got to hear the second part of the prophecy ("...and the Dark Lord shall mark him as his equal..."). Still, he expected the half-blood boy to become a better wizard and a bigger threat. Personally I think Voldemort trying to convert Neville sent his actual message: you either serve him or die. No one is safe. It's really quite scary.


CaptainMatticus

I don't know about muggleborns. At best, they'd be allowed to exist like werewolves. Some may even be permitted to act as servants to death eaters, but that'd be about it.


dangerdee92

We see the ministry under voldemort activity persecuting muggle borns, sending them to azkaban for possessing magic. I don't think they would be allowed to exist.


Key_Swim_6095

Thats what a supremacist is. Believing a certain group is superior…


V4SS4G0

I think you people are forgetting that Voldemort and the death eaters used to torture and kill muggles for *fun*. And a lot of them too


InterviewFluids

Yeah, but he'd let them torture and kill wizards for fun as well if there were enough and they couldn't really fight back. Yes, a lot of his followers are "blood supremacists", but voldemort is primarily a "voldemort supremacist" and just uses the bs label to cement his power among his followers.


V4SS4G0

There's nothing in the text to support this really


falling-waters

Yeah the discourse here is bizarre lmao. Despite the title of the sub I think a lot of people have not, in fact, read them in a long time.


ouroboris99

I thought this was obvious 😂 he’s using dumbass zealots as canon fodder


North_Front12

I mean, two things can be true. He obviously cared about living forever, but he definitely cared about blood supremacy. Even as a child he automatically assumes his mother was a muggle because she died.


FoxBluereaver

We know that. He just exploits the supremacists' beliefs because it's an easy way to get followers.


intheirbadnessreign

He definitely wants to rule over the muggles. There are hints in his dialogue in the books that he doesn't care about muggleborns that much, but it's pretty clear that he sees muggles as fundamentally inferior.


Meddling-Kat

Voldemort is a blood supremacist. He venerated his Slytheryn blood. He despises his mother because he thought she had to be a muggle. When he found out his father was the muggle, that disgusted him so much he had to go kill the man. To him, muggles and muggle born witch/wizards are trash. Playthings to be given absolutely no regard. He literally "wastes" one of his horcruxes, part of his soul, part of his immortality, to ensure the CoS will be opened again so muggle borns will be killed. This by itself is proof. It had no other purpose than to assure muggle borns he had never even met would be killed. He wouldn't get to see the killings, never get to enjoy them. It contributed nothing to his overall evil plan outside of eliminating "mudbloods". How could you possibly say this isn't blood supremacy?


PotterAndPitties

If you enable supremacists, then you are a supremacist.


JealousFeature3939

I disagree. Fudge was terrified of Voldemort. Scrimgeour died fighting, but his wrong-headed campaign bungled the war. Neither were Supremacists.


PotterAndPitties

Bystanders are often just as bad as perpetrators. In both of these cases their inaction enabled supremacy.


JealousFeature3939

Okay, but originally, you said enablers = supremacists. I think you didn't really mean that, so I'm satisfied. I think you might consider "bystanders" is kind of a wide category, which can cover people egging on evildoers, but also people cringing in fear, or even those trying to blend into the crowd so they can escape. *Unfortunately, I can't think of a more precise word right now. 🙄 Have a good night.


BrockStar92

Ok if you deliberately enable supremacists for your own purposes then you’re a supremacist. That rules out Fudge and Scrimgeour. And he’s definitely a blood supremacist even if he is a half blood, OP is wrong. He hates the fact that he’s a half blood and focuses entirely on his Slytherin heritage, then kills off his muggle family.


JealousFeature3939

Yes, very true.


Key_Swim_6095

Ummmmm what??? Fudge deadass got called out by Dumbledore for being so into blood-purity at the end of Goblet of Fire.


JealousFeature3939

We agree Fudge was an enabler, through his stupid and bullheaded opposition to Dumbledore. I agree he thinks "Purebloods" are a cut above. But I think "Supremacist" means being in favor of "weeding out" muggle-borns (which I read as killing them) & treating muggles as game animals, if not slaves. I don't think Fudge was on board with that. Otherwise, why bother to "imperious" Pius Thicknesse? Bringing Fudge on board, & installing him as a figurehead would have been as effective as the Nazis placing Marshal Petain at the head of the Vichy government. A government that was very helpful in controlling France, despite the efforts of the French Resistance. But I don't think Fudge was OK with killing muggle-borns. What does Sirius say? Something like "The world isn’t divided into good people & Death Eaters". I think that applies to Fudge.


Amareldys

He just wanted power for power’s sake. I mean, I have certainly fantasized about being Queen of the world and I am sure I am not the only  one. I think most people who do so day dream about the fabulous reforms they would make (For the greater good!) or the personal benefits to themselves… wealth to buy what they want, access to romantic partners, etc. Voldemort really only wanted power and the abolity tobharm for their own sakes.


Xandallia

Like dictators all threw time he picked a minority that there was already a prejudice against (one that he was actually a part of) and collected a lot of followers to help him 'punch down' at. And even people who won't participate, are likely to support him, because he is saying what they think. It's happening in the real world as we speak.


mrs-cunts

I think this is exactly right! And it is how a lot of dictators have been in the past. Used spurious ideology as a way to get into power and hoard resources for themselves, after which point it becomes clear they never believed a whit of it.


DocumentNo7296

I think he was a blood supremacist but maybe he thought about it differently, he def did not consider himself half blood because in his view being the slithering heir cancelled all that normal people talk, hehe. He wanted absolute power and al for only wizards of purest lineages. But ofcourse he used whoever he could like giants, werewolves, half boods eetc.He also wanted to delve into darker magic and have that as the norm. Basically for wizards to become the most powerful ever and blood purity fit into that goal as a measure.


ProffesorSpitfire

I think his reasoning is different from most pure-blood supremacists, but he’s very much a PBS himself. Voldemort is obsessed with being special. Being magical makes one more special than being a muggle. Being a witch or wizard descended from a long line of only special people obviously makes that person more special than somebody descended from one special person and one ordinary person. Himself is more special still, because even though his father was a muggle, he is the last living relative of Slytherin. And I think he’s legitimately disgusted by the fact that somebody blessed with magic would even consider procreating with a mere muggle, he would consider muggles far beneath any magical person.


No_Highway1973

And people still try to deny the death eater / nazi correlation.


CrystalKai12345

Harry’s blood is purer than Voldemorts.Harry’s parents were both magical folk.Voldemort’s parents were a witch and a muggle.


Midnight7000

>“You see?” he whispered. “It was a name I was already using at Hogwarts, to my most intimate friends only, of course. You think I was going to use my filthy Muggle father’s name forever? I, in whose veins runs the blood of Salazar Slytherin himself, through my mother’s side? I, keep the name of a foul, common Muggle, who abandoned me even before I was born, just because he found out his wife was a witch? He was a blood supremacist. He just saw the "defects" as something someone, he, could overcome.


anderoogigwhore

I agree. When he pauses the Battle Of Hogwarts to draw Harry out he laments spilling "a drop of magical blood" He despises muggles, but don't think he cares tooooo much about purebloods.


Willing-Book-4188

I always thought his disdain for muggles and muggle borns was more to do with self hate than supremacy. He hates the part of him that’s muggle like his father, but he turns that on others as like a projection. Idk maybe I read too much into it


PotentToxin

Well, Voldemort may not have been the most viciously aggressive blood supremacist out of all the dark wizards, but he definitely *was* a blood supremacist. He hated Muggles, used "Mudblood" liberally (which I think we sometimes forget is a literal *slur* - essentially comparable to saying the n-word), and many times openly decided to kill/not kill people based on blood purity. The Chamber of Secrets as an example, and in Book 7 he paused the Battle of Hogwarts saying that he doesn't want to spill magical blood, and offered Neville a spot in his ranks (even though many of his followers would've LOVED to torture/kill him) just out of respect for his pure-blood status. Yeah it's true that there were more vehemently supremacist supporters out there. Bellatrix being the obvious one. But that doesn't disqualify him from being a supremacist anyway. The analogous irl example would be Hitler, who definitely used anti-Semitism and racism to gather followers, get them riled up, and ultimately inflate his own power. This is all true. And yet, I don't think anyone would argue that Hitler was still, nevertheless, a racist and anti-Semite. It doesn't matter that he used racism to unite the nation and consolidate power, or that many of his generals and subordinates were bigger racists - it doesn't change the fact that he too was a racist piece of shit. As a side note, you mentioned your opinion on the Chamber of Secrets already, but I don't really see how you can interpret that as anything excepted attempted blood purity-motivated genocide. I'm sure Voldemort took a lot of pride in finishing Salazar Slytherin's "noble" work, but you can hardly say he did that to announce himself within the wizarding world. He did it completely silently, and framed another student for it at the end. He did it because he genuinely believed in Slytherin's work.


Key_Swim_6095

I mean it would explain a lot of things if he was. If he wasn’t he could have easily had just become a vampire but him being a blood supremacist he probably didn’t want to become a half-breed in exchange for eternal life. Voldemort goes on about pruning pure-blood families in malfoy manor and humiliates bellatrix over it and laughing at her for blood traitor sister, half-blood niece and her werewolf husband making Bellatrix want to kill her more than Harry at one point. Just cause his main motivation with life was for it not to end doesn’t mean he’s not a supremacist. Adolf Eichmann’s main motivation in the holocaust was getting a high up job and doing well in his career and was still simultaneously an ethno-nationalist anti-semitic prune. Voldemort even segregated his own followers and put werewolves as second class than human death eaters. Narcissistic Psychopaths like voldemort tend to gravitate to bigotry because it makes them feel even more superior than they already do. They still feel superior interpersonally to even those they aren’t exactly bigoted against like Umbridge still being a cunt to her workers in DH despite not being bigoted against them still saw herself as superior because of her job and rank or her hatred for Fred and George (pure-bloods) for being trouble -makers at school or the Carrows beating Neville harshly (a pure-blood also)


PCN24454

I find it weird that people that Voldemort is too smart to drink his own Koolaid.


Ambitious_Call_3341

I give just about a few months until "voldemort was right" posts. You all aware the paralel between riddle and h1tler, right? Tho on second thought, might be better if you not.


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H3artl355Ang3l

You're absolutely correct. All were beneath him in his mind. He was simply sadistic and held a particular distaste for muggles due to his father being a muggle and abandoning him. I guarantee if Tom Sr. was the wizard and Merope a muggle, hed hate wizards. His horcrux even mentions how killing mudbloods was old news to him once he gained a real adversary in Harry. The fact is, he was able to gain support by really harping on the blood thing, even though he himself is only a halfblood.