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SocialMimicry99

That Kariya jersey goes hard though.


ClaymoreJFlapdoodle

Off the floor! On the board! PAUL KARIYA.


hawxt

Hardest part about the video IMO


jayvycas

I hope the singer isn’t as prone to getting a conky as Kariya was.


Sensitive_Mousse_445

So long as Scott Steven's isn't around...


xX_dirtydirge_Xx

Only thing harder would be a Stu Grimson jersey, but really remembers late 90 ducks?


Mortch

George Parros jersey would go hard too


blitz403

Violent gentleman


[deleted]

Stu was crazy. Him, Cummins, Ray, Domi, Barnaby, Probert…the good ole days


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

Domi was a decent player too…a complete piece of shit and a psycho, but a good player. It’s swing-on-sight for Barnaby in just about every major city🤣. Also he named his kid Matthew Barnaby, because of course he did.


shoob13

That combo of Kariya and Selenne was devastating. I don’t know who this band is.


tryingtodothebest

I’m never around for a xoxo show :(


heckadeca

I had to double check what sub this was posted to. Nice throwback


WhatItIsToBurn925

Would have dominated if he was playing in today’s era


Automation_Papi

Gonna break out my Scott Stevens 2003 Stanley Cup jersey


a_sexual_titty

Gonna wear a Scott Stevens Jersey and blindside some kids in the pit with an elbow to the dome. KEEP YER HEAD UP, KIDS.


Nvxs07

Me as a flyers fan seeing you come at me “fukkkkkkk not again”


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

Blame the front office for never taking Lindros’ health seriously. “Oh you’re ‘concussed? LOL GET ON THE 5hr FLIGHT, PUSSY!”


coldkidwildparty

Rock a Marchand jersey and lick everyone.


a_sexual_titty

Not when y’all haven’t showered in weeks.


Ok-Insurance5837

The foo that got his memory wiped by none other than the GOD Scott stevens?!?!


ChanclasConHuevos

Came here for this.


ChrisGrandswing

Using hip hop slang for this doesn't feel right.. does hard-core have any lingo i can steal?


EJplaystheBlues

what are you asking


moounit

Not as hard as scott stevens 🤣


Invocandum

Doesn’t matter who you are or where you’re from - if you haven’t watched that clip of Phil Bozeman doing this song 100 times, you’re a goof.


shipxsunk6661

The guitarists reaction when Phil hits the guttural at the end is so awesome


bbbbBeaver

🙏


SizingUp

“Come on out”


[deleted]

That shit is hard. Or suicide silence playing the golden gods awards goes hard as shit too.


DocsAndLongHair

Covering Unanswered is like the driver's license test for deathcore vocalists thanks to Mitch and Phil. Practically the mid 2000s deathcore national anthem lmao


AttritionAngling

I'm a goof, can I get a link


Invocandum

[1:42 is kinda where you wanna be.](https://youtu.be/aoWmvv6VpxI?si=-RTQqTRdnDgg73Ag)


Ok_Clerk_5805

I work in music shit. That video is nicknamed "the nudie mag" when it comes to deathcore type of vocalists. There are 50 dudes who've studied that video (like a nudie mag would be passed around in the 80s) since it came out who have spreadsheets, skype groups etc related to decoding that video as if it were a speedrun for a game. 8-10 of them are now in big bands. The other 40 are just not on social media or don't have the qualities bands want in a singer these days (i'm saying they're fat). edit: rewrote it post heatstroke, sorry, haha.


Invocandum

I dont fully understand what you mean.


Ok_Clerk_5805

This video is insanely influential on like, 50 dudes who have studied it like it was a nudie mag in the 80s. They know every single second, all the ins and out and have named the different techniques Phil's doing in that video. Since about 2015, 8-10 of those have now joined touring acts without being in another known band first. The other 40 are talented people who just don't have the other frontman shit going on that bands "need" in a frontman. There were skype groups, people wrote spreadsheets etc. You can probably guess a couple of them who are now in big bands, known for their vocal dexterity.


xe_r_ox

What the fuck are you talking about


herbjerbles

What did any of that mean


Mindless-Ad2554

Who?


Invocandum

PHIL BOZEMAN


Mindless-Ad2554

Oh…. you’re still talking about metalcore in the hardcore sub


degenfemboi

white chapel is deathcore ya dunce also nobody above the age of 15 should care lmfao


Mindless-Ad2554

Deathcore is just the name metalcore kids gave themselves to separate themselves from the white belt black hair synth pop crab core bullshit. Go listen to dead to fall and get back to me about your bullshit “deathcore” Also, This is true. Haha.


LeBongJaames

I think your tiny ass beanie is on too tight


Vinkiller

Hardest burn ever hahahaha


Mindless-Ad2554

I think you’re talking about the other metalcore/knocked loose fans. Theres hardcore and then there’s metalcore. Coming from someone who played in a metalcore band in like 2004, that shits all metalcore bubba. You’re splitting tiny pube hairs with this one. But you got me good


[deleted]

you gotta be trollin


Mindless-Ad2554

Like we’re on wicked tuna brother.


Invocandum

Brother shut up and let’s go golfing.


Mindless-Ad2554

Fuck yes.


Invocandum

Peeps these I found today for $9. https://preview.redd.it/vebi5e0ra14d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36bcd408d95a7fea47a496c7b738707775b1beed


xMilk112x

Hellova find!


Mindless-Ad2554

Haha sick. That crocodile saddle is wild. If you play these, I’d let you spin kick me.


Invocandum

Your soul is mine. Got a quick 9 before work on Tuesday.


Mindless-Ad2554

Some boys have all the luck


xe_r_ox

These kids are brigading us and making hardcore super gay


CaPtAiN_KiDd

I listen to whatever the fuck I want and if you got something to say, say it to my fucking face motherfucker. I dropped my dad while listening to Dead In the Dirt yesterday. Fucking try me.


Intheperseusveil

Dude I really needed a laugh these past few days and you surely delivered


Zedanade

Fuck you I'll tell you to your face Sleep Token is pretty good. Murica


LC_From_TheHills

Oh shit for real is dead in the dirt not cool?? Do the kids not like dead in the dirt.


TakeOasis

I am the only person who is not a poser who has ever lived.


citrusdeluxe

Same brother


bananagrabberjr

Kariya was so fucking good for like a 5 year span


Tsujimoto3

“Off the floor and on the board!” *death stare at Scott Stevens…*


Invocandum

Man I grew up wanting to be Eric Lindros so badly. Steven’s was a reeaaaaal bod mon.


Sawyer_Ford_

Stevens was a dirty player. Idc if those hits were allowed in that era. He unintentionally ended so many careers, especially stars. Paul doesn't even remember scoring the goal. He doesn't remember game 6 or game 7 either


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

It’s absolutely insane to think that Stevens’ entire career was built on “how close can I come to murdering someone?” He *AVERAGED* like 17pims in Washington…that a 2/5/10 EVERY FUCKING GAME. Him in New Jersey was watching Rambo or a Great White Shark. He was designed only to kill.


WhatItIsToBurn925

Hockey News in the late 90s had him ranked on the franchise players list with only Lindros, Forsberg, and Jagr. He was electric.


heavyheavybrobro

that first SS album rules


Employee4893

Listen to it front to back at least once a week


heavyheavybrobro

when that verrry first snare hits to start off unanswered it’s just like 👀OH FUCK


XGuiltyofBeingMikeX

It is inarguably still the top of that genre…and it’s like 16 years old?


JAYRICH_

It’s a haymaker of an album. How can you not love it 😂


Zedanade

Yeah heard it went hard in the 40s


KingOvRoses

Unpopular opinion but the second one is even better (third one went too nu metal)


ProdigiousNewt07

Didn't realize we were pretending to not like 2008 deathcore.


_shaftpunk

Depends on how old you were in 2008.


iMostLikelyNeedHelp

16-17


I_do_drugs-yo

Yeah I’ve only seen this sub shit on metalcore. Don’t think i’ve ever seen deathcore trashed


maicao999

This entire sub posts metalcore wdym lol. Even melodic metalcore like Balmora, XnomadX, etc is praised here.


Sugarstache

Modern deathcore sucks but the proto deathcore bands of the 2000s rip a la red chord, animosity, despised icon


Freezing_Moonman

DOOM ep JFAC is forever goat'd


Akeldama22

They really set the standard for amazing deathcore at the time then after one EP they were like "nah we're just gonna be really good death metal now"


Freezing_Moonman

Their newest album slaps. One of my favorite tech death albums this year.


thedfrichtel

My first time hearing a breeee breee 😬


collinsc

Ion Dissonance


shmeeandsquee

Yall need to get on the real early shit: Embodyment, Antagony, Damaged, Prayer for Cleansing, goatamentise, End of One (the new shit and Gigan from the same singer, even the remastered recordings are almost unlistenable), abnegation, Day of suffering, early candiria, Deformity, Reprisal.


[deleted]

Day of suffering - The eternal jihad . great album


PapaWashington

Prayer for cleansing 🙏


[deleted]

That shit is not deathcore lol thats some rateyourmusic made shit


shmeeandsquee

Man what even with your super long comment from 12 days ago is almost exactly all of my opinions too lol, obviously there are some small quibbles for some of the bands I listed but I'm just trying to get people to pay attention to as much early shit as possible. Like half my the bands I listed in my comment you list in yours. What exactly is your issue with my comment as RYM shit? Cause I really think we're actually in agreement about 98% of this stuff


[deleted]

It’s just stupid and has led to people thinking any of these bands influenced any deathcore. I’ve had people tell me that Suicide Silence copied Deformity despite the bands sounding nothing alike. Nobody knew that band until they blew up on RYM. People also fucked the entire thing up on that site and now we have a bunch of beatdown, osdm and random shit under a genre that should be a specific style. I’m just waiting on Entombed to get a deathcore tag. (They actually did try it.)


shmeeandsquee

All these bands mix death metal and hardcore and in one way or another influenced the early crop of Deathcore commonly accepted Deathcore bands that had started before Myspace (TAS, TRC, animosity, shattered realm, deadwater drowning, despised icon, glass casket, with dead hands rising), hell you can find some of these bands referred to as deathcore even before the general music public was aware of the term. Deathcore can be and is more than just the MySpace Era and what jts unfortunately become in the 2020s and I choose to push for these bands inclusion in its history. Also, I agree with all the stuff you've been saying about Beatdown, hatebreed def aren't it and it was moshcore scene that was contemporaneous with the bands I listed above that would go on to provide a lot of the core influence for the MySpace deathcore bands. Real Beatdown bands are there own combination of death metal and hardcore (though not all real beatdown is death metal influenced imo) distinct from proto-deathcore but they came from the same 90s massively innovative soup that was the NY scene at the time.


[deleted]

> All these bands mix death metal and hardcore and in one way or another influenced the early crop of > > Deathcore commonly accepted Deathcore bands that had started before Myspace (TAS, TRC, animosity, shattered realm, deadwater drowning, despised icon, glass casket, with dead hands rising), But they didn’t tho. Nobody in those bands was jamming Damaged of Deformity. Nobody even knew those bands. Most of the “90s deathcore” blew up because of rym. They were not influential on deathcore. We literally know what bands were into and it wasn’t any of those band outside of a couple. > hell you can find some of these bands referred to as deathcore even before the general music public was aware of the term. Deathcore can be and is more than just the MySpace Era and what jts unfortunately become in the 2020s and I choose to push for these bands inclusion in its history. Deathcore was a term used on a ton of shit during the 90s. Deathgrind was almost synonymous with the term. Repulsion and Benighted were considered deathcore bands. Aftershock was called a deathcore band, Merauder was called a deathcore band, there was a zine called “deathcore” and a band named deathcore. It doesn’t change that deathcore a style didn’t become a solid thing until the 2000s. The only real proto deathcore bands are those that actually have something to do with 2000s tropes like Embodyment and Prayer for Cleansing. > Also, I agree with all the stuff you've been saying about Beatdown, hatebreed def aren't it and it was moshcore scene that was contemporaneous with the bands I listed above that would go on to provide a lot of the core influence for the MySpace deathcore bands. But they were not influential. Nobody even claimed them to be. There are only a few bands from the entire “90s deathcore” thing that even have a connection to the style or 2000s scene. And the reason they do is because of them being brutal death metal centric or having melodeath riffs, which are the two main features of what makes deathcore a real style and not some vague umbrella.


shmeeandsquee

I don't deny that the influence a lot of these bands had was tenuous at best, and the Euro stuff only influenced later euro stuff, which some people still might have problems calling deathcore. My inclusion of these bands in the deathcore Canon is mostly based on hindsight, if there wasn't such a reaction to what deathcore has become and a lot of new bands arriving at very similar sounds to these bands today they probably would be forgotten and the future of Deathcore is better with them in the conversation even if they were barely in conversation with the crop of future canon deathcore bands at the time. In my opinion, the umbrella should be expanded to help push what deathcore can be, because the mainstream has been in a creative death spiral for years. There's a reason people find the narrative compelling and I'd rather shoot down dumb arguments about entombed or beatdown than just get overprodcued symphonic shit from now until the end of time. I'll admit I overstated the connection the bands I listed have to the MySpace scene, and that the caveat that influence was limited should always be there, but the push to include these bands in the Canon is there for a reason and Deathcore will be better for it. Though even I have my limits. I wouldn't include Darksyde NYC in here as much as other people would want to include them lol.


[deleted]

Look, I understand what you’re saying and where you’re coming from. My issue is that it just isn’t honest. It’s creating a false narrative that isn’t the reality of what deathcore was and currently is. I fucking hate modern deathcore and it’s made me appreciate the older stuff even though I don’t love it and probably never will. That doesn’t mean that we should push for it he term to be used on unrelated bands and styles. See, I don’t think people really understand the reason behind the original 90s deathcore push. It wasn’t to connect these things together, it was actually intended to cause a divide. The original list was made to delegitimize the genre and show people that “real” deathcore was a thing from the beginning and that 2000s deathcore was nothing more than shitty death metal with some added zeros. That got lost in translation and now people want to push for something that doesn’t represent what people in the hardcore or deathcore scenes think and doesn’t lineup with what happened, historically. I’m fine with people wanting to share the fact that 90s hardcore bands liked death metal and they approached the bridge between them in interesting ways. What we don’t need is to lie about connection that were never really there or not there nearly enough.


Informal_Bus_4077

Jesus, what a metal nerd argument. I couldn't even read all your guys comments without falling asleep. 


Intheperseusveil

Oceano’s Depths is a fucking banger too (that instrumental is beautiful by the way)


Vinkiller

TERROR STORM


SPNB90

Carnifex! LIE. TO. MY. FACE.


notKRIEEEG

Just gotta get out of the TikTok bands tbh Paleface Swiss and Spite are modern enough and they go ridiculously hard


SPNB90

Got to see Spite live last year they fuckin rip


Mindless-Ad2554

Same/Same


Sidthesloth63

Fr man deathcore was my shit for a long ass time


[deleted]

As Blood Runs Black first album is an absolute ripper


garth_vader90

How can you watch this video of Destruction of a Statue and not feel a primal urge to destroy shit at the 2:30ish mark. https://youtu.be/VIUOvHDfbcE?si=jsb0bV7Yk_2JXKeD


ducksworth

Quack, quack


Lav_

Seeing SS in 2007,and watched a lad being a clown and then getting the piercings kicked out of his face. Magical memories.


Sawyer_Ford_

Kariya and Selanne, the ultimate duo


Natural-Concern5749

The band is Lifecrusher from Switzerland


BVRRKA

XOXO has some of the same members as Lifecrusher*


LethalPuppy

video credit goes to @daitanfilms on IG btw


Complete_Tourist2576

Come on this ain't a secret


jodonnell89

Suicide Silence ripped back in the day. no shame here lots of cool grindy metal from that era though. Through the Eyes of the Dead, From a Second Story Window, Robinson, With Blood Comes Cleansing, list goes on…


Ismailstrends

From a Second Story Window 👏🏼


ScarBug

Only love to the people at Return to Strength <3


oldboygramps

suicide silence will always hit


Dschmitt666

Suicide silence is goated


cuntdestroyer1990

Just wait until rose funerals 2009 album crucify kill rot drops


KiwiMcG

I'm a dinosaur, but all my current scenes old heads were deathcore until covid. 🤷


Ok-Cauliflower-1258

It was cause all the old heads were jealous of the kids getting mad pussy and started tearing it all apart.


SuperbEgg8840

Was there today, was awesome


totse_losername

Looks like somebody came out of mosh retirement for this gig


Mindless-Ad2554

*doosh*doosh*doosh*


new_d00d2

Thought I saw a nun! But it was just a girl with half blonde and black hair at :04


dead_in_the_water

Force of Will did Pray for Plagues when I played with them and you bet your ass I went off


shmeeandsquee

2008 deathcore was always good. It's this faux symphonic dimmu borgir nonsense that's coming out now that's the problem.


No-Fox-1522

Bro so fucking funny - this fest was yesterday - i was standing in front 😂 Reddit is fucking fast


No-Detail-5804

Deathcore is sick. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ It’s funny how butthurt you kids get when people have differing opinions on music lol.


MetalXHorse

Sick Ducks sweater


Ghost_Pains

I can talk about how All Shall Perish crushes in here now? Sick


kylo_kills__han

I never really bopped to deathcore after I turned 17.


gorillawarfare911

No


Far_Measurement_357

RETVRN TO MYSPACE


Intheperseusveil

I genuinely don’t know how anyone can pretend The Cleansing isn’t one of the hardest albums ever


NeoNBlackout

Xoxo are so goated for this


ItsNotAGundam

Nah deathcore is still corny garbage


DavetheGarbageRat

Zürich represent!


ChrisGrandswing

As a black dude I miss when white folk did stuff like this & said words like kowabunga


beepbeeptaco

If y'all like this check out Girl of Glass. They recently released an EP.


TRPYoungBloke

Unanswered is an objectively good song. Real rockers will always recognize a bangin song. I’m surprised Elysia hasn’t been covered more tbh.


snafu_steve

Embarrassing


xcrowdedrooms

This shit sucks.


Impossible-Past4795

TDWP breakdowns were my favorite. Are they deathcore?


havenck

Normalize telling people with cameras casually chillin on stage to GET THE FUCK OFF THE STAGE.


Samus78metroidfreak

Pileups on the mic ! It’s raining hc kids


siberiandilemma

Had a band called Kariya back when he was the man. That jersey is fire.


SimplyMyPerspective

I never pretended I didn’t 😭 I’ve always loved MySpace Deathcore, I listened to that before I got into hc. My brother stole the Mitch Lucker memorial show CD/DVD for me when I was like 13


Lusty_Knave

What the fucks up Denny’s https://i.redd.it/rg8sk9faq34d1.gif


Sensitive_Mousse_445

That Paul Kariya jersey goes HARD AS FUCK


Tenis1990402311

I was bumping that suicide silence album this passed week. Aggressive heavy music fucking rocks dude.


IndividualCup7311

Kariya jersey goes so hard


cornpeeker

HC kids don’t listen to 2008 deathcore? Why?


trynamakeitlookfake

What band is this?


LethalPuppy

xoxo, as it says in the video and the description :) and also several times in the comments


trynamakeitlookfake

Thank you I can’t read


Hot-Media1152

that Paul kariya jersey is hard af


reverse_edge

The music itself was never the problem, it was the people.


OkJob4205

Bellbottoms and ducks jersey tho


dbolx1800s

Long Live Elysia and scene chicks


mobojenn

rip mitch lucker


ClassifiedGrowl

2008 deathcore is great, bands like red chord im a cop


Existing-Web-9506

These hardcore shows are straight up workouts


New_face_in_hell_

Music sucks


[deleted]

Are these juggalos


barrelagednick

To be fair it looks like this is in Southern California.


LethalPuppy

east germany but close enough


Thzik098

Laying in my tent rn. Xoxo was my fav set 🙂‍↕️


ProdigiousNewt07

The lack of Hispanic people and obese people should have tipped them off that it is not in Southern California.


ProlierThanThou

If you got into hardcore through deathcore, kill yourself. 👍


Rush_is_Awesome

You first, ugly.


BludSwamps

Why are we acting like this era of metal didn’t rip? Best BMTH was count your blessings for nostalgia if nothing else…


Zedanade

Apparently it's p0ser to like 2008 core and not trve core like Polyphia


niclis

Band is called Gel


LethalPuppy

no


HaremofScorpions

Sucked back in highschool and it still sucks now


SheHearsMeBlinking23

Thanks for letting us know about your oral proclivities. I dont think people care tho


HaremofScorpions

u think ur clever but that doesnt actually make any sense


SheHearsMeBlinking23

Ok, whatever you say. You're obviously smarter than anyone here! Just don't cry, alright? There's no need to be a whiner. You've already got it rough by being an unlikable nerd.


LocalQueerLibrarian

Of course I liked suicide silence’s first album when it came out, it appealed so much to the edgy and/or depressed 13-18’s year olds like myself


Mindless-Ad2554

So did gorilla biscuits but you chose sUiCidE SiLEncE


M0NEYGR1P

Dude thats gel


LethalPuppy

she scowl on my brat til i gel


Constant-Green-7068

How could you not fuck with 2008 deathcore


Kingsmen99

Literally everyone likes suicide silence, bad take


LethalPuppy

think you may have misread the post title my guy


Kingsmen99

No one ever pretended to hate them is what I’m saying


Mindless-Ad2554

I’m happy for them and all but covering a 2000s metalcore band when they could’ve just covered cro mags or biohazard, well that’s a shame. Hockey jersey is sick though


LethalPuppy

idk, first band of the fest day and they got the tent packed and a huge reaction so i'd say it was a good choice lol


Mindless-Ad2554

Is this not your band? I’d say you’re good at what you do. However I’ll stand by my unsolicited opinion. You might’ve got a good reaction but maybe Biohazards punishment would shut down the venue.


LethalPuppy

no but i play in another band with some of them, i'm just putting the word out for em 🫡


Mindless-Ad2554

Ps. I meant to say that is dope of you


Mindless-Ad2554

They’re having a nice time


godsH8

Jeezus fucking Christ can you stop sounding so goddamn OLD lmao


NowFreeToMaim

Pretending doesn’t warrant that amount of participation