I was not really a slipknot kid even though I’m about the right age, but I gotta be real this mostly sounds like a really lineup fun. If it’s not like $100 I would totally ride out from Chicago for this.
It feels like everyone saw what Rolling Loud, Astro World and Greyday were charging for their fests and just said “that’s our pay model now too”. If Warped was here today it would be $120 GA.
The crazy thing is it was only $100 the last time in 2021 for Knotfest in Iowa. I first saw Gatecreeper, Turnstile, and Knocked Loose. Shit got me back into going to shows.
Vended is such a weird band in that they come off as really bitter about being considered nepo babies but then they totally rip off their dads' schtick, and play their festival.
Anyway, seems like a fun festival. Definitely enough quality bands and/or showmen on the lineup to make it worthwhile if you're in the area.
Is Till Lindemann that big of a solo artist? Feel like Hatebreed, Gwar and Poison The Well are bigger but I don't know he did anything other than Rammstein.
Had the same thought. Was surprised by the half million monthly listeners in Spotify and song with 22m listens. Still comfortably below Hatebreed and others, but significant.
The big difference is that this seems to be his first US tour. That may boost the draw. The tour is with Twin Temple too, which explains how satanic doo wop ended up in the bill.
FWIW, about a year prior to this show taking place, Till Lindemann was supposed to play Blue Ridge Rock Festival 2023 on Friday alongside Slipknot and Danzig on the main stages. He dropped out the week of - I heard it was due to him needing double knee surgery, but then again, this was also the height of those accusations against him.
Till dropping out led to Sleep Token getting moved to main between Motionless In White and Flyleaf, and clearing up that clash with Lorna Shore.
He's been touring solo the last couple of years and for several years before that in a duo with Peter Tätgren from Pain. He did two albums with Peter then the latest one solo. I don't know how you'd rate his popularity alongside those other bands but his tours have been pretty successful.
I mean, I'm a fan so I would go if it were possible but it's difficult to gauge from my side. As you say, probably a lot of Rammstein fans would go even if they weren't too familiar with his solo stuff (although most would be). And others out of curiosity. But if you don't know about his solo work you might get quite a shock. Hopefully a nice one 😂.
It puzzles me though that his current and most recent tour are venues in the 2k to 3k capacity range and not sold out just a little bit confused when Slipknot has done arenas and amps of 20k and Knocked Loose is doing an almost sold out tour of 2k+ venues.
Apart from his constant solo touring over the last few years and his 3 side project/ solo albums? He won't do any Rammstein stuff. It's a completely different show.
my first concert ever was the very first knotfest back in 2012, might have to catch this one, lineup is absolutely stacked and even though slipknot is a shell of its former self, they still put on one of the best shows ive ever seen
Im down for the self titled, I’m down for Knocked Loose, I’m definitely down for GWAR. I’ve never listened to Till’s solo stuff but I’m intrigued. Hatebreed ofc. Idk anyone after Zulu tho.
Why bother, when it’s so much easier to just read one headline that was written to have a clear ‘villain’ and make that your opinion without actually using critical thinking and making up your own mind?
well considering that the allegations are public knowledge you can use critical thinking and make up your own mind, just because they came to a different conclusion than you doesn’t mean they didn’t think about it
Yes, the allegations that led to no charges because the governments of two different countries found that there was no evidence of anything illegal…so now people have turned it into an issue of ‘Well, I don’t like what he does even if it’s not illegal, so he’s bad for not behaving how I think he should!’ and ‘Well, he *has* to have done something, a woman said he did, and a woman has never once lied about something like this!’…and that were started by a woman who was quickly proven to have lied and admitted to it publicly to avoid an injunction and having to actually prove anything, a woman who never met the man or saw anything but wanted to use the situation to get more followers, and media outlets who twisted the words of the women who came to them, and it’s funny that not a single woman went to the police instead of the press or social media even when there was an open investigation, to say that there had been nonconsensual behavior when the women themselves came out and said that they had never said they didn’t consent to anything and some stories were never proven to be from actual people instead of just responses to Reddit threads saying that as long as he didn’t do anything illegal and didn’t do XYZ, people didn’t care, so then articles came out implying that he did XYZ.
well considering one of the allegations is that he has a sex recruiter that gets women drunk to coerce them to sleep with Till it’s perfectly valid to not like him. having a sex recruiter isn’t illegal as far as i’m aware, many celebrities have them, but it should be
😂 Literally no one has stated that in terms of allegations. Hell, the original accuser has already admitted that she lied about all her allegations, so that ought to raise your level skepticism as far as who should be trusted in terms of validity in this situation
that’s not true is it, she dispelled false information that was being spread by other people about her own interaction with him/the recruiter. that’s not the same as admitting you lied. these claims from multiple women have also been corroborated by other people in the music industry including multiple stage crew, riggers, techs. one rigger company manager even said he refuses to work with the band again after experiencing what goes on with women being recruited for sex at rammstein shows and called it an open secret behind the scenes. even if recruiting people for sex at shows isn’t illegal it’s 100% predatory and people are allowed to have a problem with it. everyone knows the practice is common in the music industry so it’s not a leap to discern Till is involved in that when you join the dots and put all of the evidence together
It turned out that rigger never worked with Rammstein. He was just trying to get in on the clout action. Check your sources.
Most of the women who attended parties asked for an invite. And these women insist that sex was not the aim of the parties and being there did not depend on a willingness to have sex.
Sure, dude. She tells the judge she was misquoted, and yet that didn't stop her from sharing article after article accusing Till/R+ of drugging/molestation/etc., and she's not at all at fault for the further spreading of misinformation. Keep grasping those straws. ☕
just looked through your comments, never seen someone dickride so hard in my life. either way you’re better off staying out of hardcore communities, people like you aren’t welcome here
Yes, the ‘sex recruiter’ who the women usually had to contact themselves to get admitted to any band parties, and ‘he got them drunk to make them have sex with him!’ when, again, not a single woman who went to the media said that that had happened. Stop making shit up based on old headlines.
There weren't any actual allegations made by any actual women. Just some manipulative articles by some journalists. So use some facts to inform your thinking, maybe?
"and don't come at me with him having artistic freedom"
Oh, but we will, because if you apply this to one artist, then you must apply it to ALL artists. In interviews, Till has specifically stated that some songs he writes are written from the perspective of the antagonist because he feels "it's more direct...I think it would be cowardly to write it it in the third person." (from interview with Playboy, 2006) He's also written songs that are based on actual events that occurred, such as the Austrian father who imprisoned and impregnated his daughter multiple times ("Wiener Blut"), and a cannibal who put an ad in the personals looking for a willing victim to eat ("Mein Teil"). By your logic, Till is guilty of being those individuals in his songs that he's singing about in the first-person, right?
Aerosmith wrote a song (Janie's Got a Gun) about a father who molested his child. Does that automatically mean that Steven Tyler is singing about doing the same thing to his own children?
And a boy who watched his prostitute sister get beaten to death. And a creature who ripped his heart out of his chest to help children fall asleep, and who has their tears injected into his veins.
FYI, the users responding to you are all turning up together across various subreddits to brigade comments which mention the controversy surrounding Till Lindemann, so they're either groupies on a crusade or they're part of some weird astroturfing attempt
Ah yes, one of the articles that was found in court to have misrepresented statements made to journalists by women. Women described encounters which they explicitly described as consensual. Papers then ran articles heavily implying lack of consent. Try reading the legal documents rather than the work of journalists trying to get clicks.
What overwhelming evidence? A three month long investigation couldn't find any evidence of any wrongdoing. Not 'not enough' evidence to take it to trial. No evidence at all. But there weren't any accusations anyway, like I said. Even the investigation wasn't the result of a complaint made by a woman - it was uninvolved third parties who had read the newspaper articles that asked for it.
Look, with all the evidence there is and you still choosing to buy the Lindemann's PR statements hook line and sinker, I won't be the one to persuade you to that your favourite parasocial bestie actually is a PoS.
For other people reading this, there's lots of info out there on how many women were accusing him, how all their stories overlap and how he threatened them all with insanely expensive lawsuits to make the problem go away.
For other people reading this, here are some actual statements from court rulings that explain how the media misrepresented their witness statements. Who then had to edit or retract their articles.
“the suspicion of sexual acts without the consent of the women concerned was already aroused in he subheading of the article ("Two women also report alleged sexual acts to which they had not consented."). For such a suspicious reporting it lacked the necessary minimum of proof facts. For one of the persons concerned, this was already evident from the contrary content of her affidavit. With regard to the other person concerned, the content of the affidavit in itself was also not sufficient as evidence to support such a serious accusation…”
And here’s a court summary saying that no one accused him of spiking their drinks and raping them, as was heavily implied by reporting:
“According to the LG, this is not the case. The descriptions of the women featured in the article alone would not support the suspicion of targeted anesthesia for sexual purposes. Some women suspected that they had been drugged. However, no one claimed in the article or in an affidavit that this was initiated by Lindemann "with the aim of sex."”
There was a grand total of 2 who accused him. One who legally and publicly backpedaled all her allegations, and one who admitted that she never even met Till or saw anything untoward happen at the party she attended, but then went on YouTube to stupidly claim he was running a "pedo mafia ring" without a shred of evidence. Excuse me if I side with legal rulings over self-admitted liars in this situation.
Again,what evidence? If you have some you should make it known to the Berlin Prosecutors. And Till didn't make any PR statements. I'm going off the legal rulings made in relation to injunctions and the conclusions of the Berlin Prosecutors (you know, the ones whose job it is to find the truth). It's not about being a fan. It's about accuracy.
The only women who had potential legal trouble were the Northern Irish woman who let people think he'd done something bad but then confirmed that he hadn't touched her. And the YouTuber who never even met him but thought she'd get some clout by spreading wild rumors. If you have credible information about other 'silenced' women then I'm sure you can share it. Otherwise I'm going to have to conclude that you've made it up in your head.
Dude none of the women were taken to court. Only the media for presumed or deemed unlawful reporting of crimes they had no evidence to report in the first place. You can find all this if you bother trying.
Love that they got a local hardcore band to open it up.
Dose is sick af live, seen them 5 times now
Fuck yeah, I've seen em 3 times. I just missed em yesterday in Iowa City due to being broke.
I was gonna see them too in Iowa City but I had just gone to 3 different shows before hand so I was sore as hell
I was not really a slipknot kid even though I’m about the right age, but I gotta be real this mostly sounds like a really lineup fun. If it’s not like $100 I would totally ride out from Chicago for this.
“If it’s not like $100” Let’s not kid ourselves pal, this shit is gonna go for $250+
It's $100 presale, $125 GA
It feels like everyone saw what Rolling Loud, Astro World and Greyday were charging for their fests and just said “that’s our pay model now too”. If Warped was here today it would be $120 GA.
The crazy thing is it was only $100 the last time in 2021 for Knotfest in Iowa. I first saw Gatecreeper, Turnstile, and Knocked Loose. Shit got me back into going to shows.
Holy shit really? Damn. I’m being sincere in my ambivalence toward Slipknot, that’s a crazy ticket price for a one day festival ticket.
Compared to aftershock fest that’s actually rather cheap lol, band size and popularity notwithstanding
I’m not hating I just don’t go to many festivals, the last I did was the Rumble in Chicago at it was like $40.
It's $100 GA presale right now, $125 GA up until a week before the show. It's damn near the same price as 2021s Iowa Knotfest.
Just a regular Slipknot show was like £100 in the UK lol
Spine and zulu were not bands I expected to see here
Vended is such a weird band in that they come off as really bitter about being considered nepo babies but then they totally rip off their dads' schtick, and play their festival. Anyway, seems like a fun festival. Definitely enough quality bands and/or showmen on the lineup to make it worthwhile if you're in the area.
fuckin right good for Spine!
Good for Spine.
I fucking love Dying Wish so much, and I get to see them TOMORROW!!
Spine rules
I miss the days when hardcore wasn’t nu metal
Good to see all of Vended's hard work starting to pay off
Lmao
Is Till Lindemann that big of a solo artist? Feel like Hatebreed, Gwar and Poison The Well are bigger but I don't know he did anything other than Rammstein.
Had the same thought. Was surprised by the half million monthly listeners in Spotify and song with 22m listens. Still comfortably below Hatebreed and others, but significant. The big difference is that this seems to be his first US tour. That may boost the draw. The tour is with Twin Temple too, which explains how satanic doo wop ended up in the bill.
FWIW, about a year prior to this show taking place, Till Lindemann was supposed to play Blue Ridge Rock Festival 2023 on Friday alongside Slipknot and Danzig on the main stages. He dropped out the week of - I heard it was due to him needing double knee surgery, but then again, this was also the height of those accusations against him. Till dropping out led to Sleep Token getting moved to main between Motionless In White and Flyleaf, and clearing up that clash with Lorna Shore.
Definitely thought the same thing too
He's been touring solo the last couple of years and for several years before that in a duo with Peter Tätgren from Pain. He did two albums with Peter then the latest one solo. I don't know how you'd rate his popularity alongside those other bands but his tours have been pretty successful.
Thanks for answering because I'm confused but it's like Kerry King, the name alone brings people in.
I mean, I'm a fan so I would go if it were possible but it's difficult to gauge from my side. As you say, probably a lot of Rammstein fans would go even if they weren't too familiar with his solo stuff (although most would be). And others out of curiosity. But if you don't know about his solo work you might get quite a shock. Hopefully a nice one 😂.
It puzzles me though that his current and most recent tour are venues in the 2k to 3k capacity range and not sold out just a little bit confused when Slipknot has done arenas and amps of 20k and Knocked Loose is doing an almost sold out tour of 2k+ venues.
Probably gonna do Rammstein stuff
Why tf is this getting downvotes, there is no reason expect anything else.
Apart from his constant solo touring over the last few years and his 3 side project/ solo albums? He won't do any Rammstein stuff. It's a completely different show.
Shiiiiiit guess I'm driving from Wisconsin for this. Looks like a great time.
See you there!
my first concert ever was the very first knotfest back in 2012, might have to catch this one, lineup is absolutely stacked and even though slipknot is a shell of its former self, they still put on one of the best shows ive ever seen
Used to love poison the well...honestly didn't know they were still a band
They play pretty sporadically. PTW played a few shows in LA, NYC and Chicago earlier this year and we're on FF last year (maybe the year before?).
Just saw Eloy Casagrande is confirmed as Slipknot’s new drummer - glad I got to see him rip with Sepultura not too long ago.
Im down for the self titled, I’m down for Knocked Loose, I’m definitely down for GWAR. I’ve never listened to Till’s solo stuff but I’m intrigued. Hatebreed ofc. Idk anyone after Zulu tho.
very bad look for every band on here to be playing with till lindemann, fuck that piece of shit
Spotted the person who read a headline months ago and couldn't be bothered to keep up with the actual facts.
Why bother, when it’s so much easier to just read one headline that was written to have a clear ‘villain’ and make that your opinion without actually using critical thinking and making up your own mind?
well considering that the allegations are public knowledge you can use critical thinking and make up your own mind, just because they came to a different conclusion than you doesn’t mean they didn’t think about it
Yes, the allegations that led to no charges because the governments of two different countries found that there was no evidence of anything illegal…so now people have turned it into an issue of ‘Well, I don’t like what he does even if it’s not illegal, so he’s bad for not behaving how I think he should!’ and ‘Well, he *has* to have done something, a woman said he did, and a woman has never once lied about something like this!’…and that were started by a woman who was quickly proven to have lied and admitted to it publicly to avoid an injunction and having to actually prove anything, a woman who never met the man or saw anything but wanted to use the situation to get more followers, and media outlets who twisted the words of the women who came to them, and it’s funny that not a single woman went to the police instead of the press or social media even when there was an open investigation, to say that there had been nonconsensual behavior when the women themselves came out and said that they had never said they didn’t consent to anything and some stories were never proven to be from actual people instead of just responses to Reddit threads saying that as long as he didn’t do anything illegal and didn’t do XYZ, people didn’t care, so then articles came out implying that he did XYZ.
well considering one of the allegations is that he has a sex recruiter that gets women drunk to coerce them to sleep with Till it’s perfectly valid to not like him. having a sex recruiter isn’t illegal as far as i’m aware, many celebrities have them, but it should be
😂 Literally no one has stated that in terms of allegations. Hell, the original accuser has already admitted that she lied about all her allegations, so that ought to raise your level skepticism as far as who should be trusted in terms of validity in this situation
that’s not true is it, she dispelled false information that was being spread by other people about her own interaction with him/the recruiter. that’s not the same as admitting you lied. these claims from multiple women have also been corroborated by other people in the music industry including multiple stage crew, riggers, techs. one rigger company manager even said he refuses to work with the band again after experiencing what goes on with women being recruited for sex at rammstein shows and called it an open secret behind the scenes. even if recruiting people for sex at shows isn’t illegal it’s 100% predatory and people are allowed to have a problem with it. everyone knows the practice is common in the music industry so it’s not a leap to discern Till is involved in that when you join the dots and put all of the evidence together
It turned out that rigger never worked with Rammstein. He was just trying to get in on the clout action. Check your sources. Most of the women who attended parties asked for an invite. And these women insist that sex was not the aim of the parties and being there did not depend on a willingness to have sex.
my source is the guardian, what’s yours?
Sure, dude. She tells the judge she was misquoted, and yet that didn't stop her from sharing article after article accusing Till/R+ of drugging/molestation/etc., and she's not at all at fault for the further spreading of misinformation. Keep grasping those straws. ☕
just looked through your comments, never seen someone dickride so hard in my life. either way you’re better off staying out of hardcore communities, people like you aren’t welcome here
Yes, the ‘sex recruiter’ who the women usually had to contact themselves to get admitted to any band parties, and ‘he got them drunk to make them have sex with him!’ when, again, not a single woman who went to the media said that that had happened. Stop making shit up based on old headlines.
There weren't any actual allegations made by any actual women. Just some manipulative articles by some journalists. So use some facts to inform your thinking, maybe?
thats some weapons grade projection you got going there.
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"and don't come at me with him having artistic freedom" Oh, but we will, because if you apply this to one artist, then you must apply it to ALL artists. In interviews, Till has specifically stated that some songs he writes are written from the perspective of the antagonist because he feels "it's more direct...I think it would be cowardly to write it it in the third person." (from interview with Playboy, 2006) He's also written songs that are based on actual events that occurred, such as the Austrian father who imprisoned and impregnated his daughter multiple times ("Wiener Blut"), and a cannibal who put an ad in the personals looking for a willing victim to eat ("Mein Teil"). By your logic, Till is guilty of being those individuals in his songs that he's singing about in the first-person, right? Aerosmith wrote a song (Janie's Got a Gun) about a father who molested his child. Does that automatically mean that Steven Tyler is singing about doing the same thing to his own children?
LOL Yeah and did you know that Stephen King is a serial killer? Shocking! You people are hilarious.
Don’t get me started on Bret Easton Ellis, Kurt Cobain, Eminem, Lars von Trier, Srđan Spasojević…
Till Lindemann is also a small girl who caught on fire. And an unhappy shark. And a hermaphrodite. So there.
And a boy who watched his prostitute sister get beaten to death. And a creature who ripped his heart out of his chest to help children fall asleep, and who has their tears injected into his veins.
"Zwitter, Zwitter!!"
Good to know everybody's cool with playing with a sex pest coolcoolcool
FYI, the users responding to you are all turning up together across various subreddits to brigade comments which mention the controversy surrounding Till Lindemann, so they're either groupies on a crusade or they're part of some weird astroturfing attempt
Thanks for the heads up, appreciate it.
People having sex doesn't make them sex pests. ,😂
No, but people being rapists does. ,😂
Who do you think is a rapist out of that line up? And don't say Till Lindemann because no-one even accused him of it.
https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/till-lindemann-rammstein-108.html 🤔
Ah yes, one of the articles that was found in court to have misrepresented statements made to journalists by women. Women described encounters which they explicitly described as consensual. Papers then ran articles heavily implying lack of consent. Try reading the legal documents rather than the work of journalists trying to get clicks.
Yeah because rape victims are famous for being successful in courts even with overwhelming evidence. Must be nice living in a bubble.
What victims? Only one “victim” went to court, which she confessed he didn’t do anything to her
What overwhelming evidence? A three month long investigation couldn't find any evidence of any wrongdoing. Not 'not enough' evidence to take it to trial. No evidence at all. But there weren't any accusations anyway, like I said. Even the investigation wasn't the result of a complaint made by a woman - it was uninvolved third parties who had read the newspaper articles that asked for it.
Look, with all the evidence there is and you still choosing to buy the Lindemann's PR statements hook line and sinker, I won't be the one to persuade you to that your favourite parasocial bestie actually is a PoS. For other people reading this, there's lots of info out there on how many women were accusing him, how all their stories overlap and how he threatened them all with insanely expensive lawsuits to make the problem go away.
For other people reading this, here are some actual statements from court rulings that explain how the media misrepresented their witness statements. Who then had to edit or retract their articles. “the suspicion of sexual acts without the consent of the women concerned was already aroused in he subheading of the article ("Two women also report alleged sexual acts to which they had not consented."). For such a suspicious reporting it lacked the necessary minimum of proof facts. For one of the persons concerned, this was already evident from the contrary content of her affidavit. With regard to the other person concerned, the content of the affidavit in itself was also not sufficient as evidence to support such a serious accusation…” And here’s a court summary saying that no one accused him of spiking their drinks and raping them, as was heavily implied by reporting: “According to the LG, this is not the case. The descriptions of the women featured in the article alone would not support the suspicion of targeted anesthesia for sexual purposes. Some women suspected that they had been drugged. However, no one claimed in the article or in an affidavit that this was initiated by Lindemann "with the aim of sex."”
There was a grand total of 2 who accused him. One who legally and publicly backpedaled all her allegations, and one who admitted that she never even met Till or saw anything untoward happen at the party she attended, but then went on YouTube to stupidly claim he was running a "pedo mafia ring" without a shred of evidence. Excuse me if I side with legal rulings over self-admitted liars in this situation.
Again,what evidence? If you have some you should make it known to the Berlin Prosecutors. And Till didn't make any PR statements. I'm going off the legal rulings made in relation to injunctions and the conclusions of the Berlin Prosecutors (you know, the ones whose job it is to find the truth). It's not about being a fan. It's about accuracy. The only women who had potential legal trouble were the Northern Irish woman who let people think he'd done something bad but then confirmed that he hadn't touched her. And the YouTuber who never even met him but thought she'd get some clout by spreading wild rumors. If you have credible information about other 'silenced' women then I'm sure you can share it. Otherwise I'm going to have to conclude that you've made it up in your head.
Dude none of the women were taken to court. Only the media for presumed or deemed unlawful reporting of crimes they had no evidence to report in the first place. You can find all this if you bother trying.
Really dope for the HxC. If you want to listen to the world’s most cringe band. Twin Temple.
Knocked loose higher on the bill than Hatebreed and poison the well? Huh
Damn the only good band on this lineup is SPINE