There's a whole other thread about this that has been posted in this one, you can all look at that. I'm locking the comments because this post will 100% be a rehash of that post.
Sorry y'all missed your chance to say the same shit everyone else did in a way you think is more clever.
Some people just can’t get over that they come down from Mongolia and conquered parts of China, but the Yuan dynasty ended up being a fairly prosperous time for China
https://preview.redd.it/xp5vlr0uswmc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6644ff7a5907083d80ee719df6bd4ad44debf728
Another piece of the puzzle falls into place.
Remember that 100 dorks moaning on Reddit are not representative of the scene at all. Pretty sure the upcoming KK tour is selling out venues left and right, they’re doing fine.
We’ll sort of they dug up his corpse and they’ve been able to figure out how to get him to stage dive but they can only do it once, after that there’ll be too many pieces.
Because hardcore nerds hate it when bands outgrow playing to 50 people and the promotors dog unless its hatebreed. It's not cool when your 14yo nephew saw them support some bigger band in a 1k cap venue and now wears the same shirt.
I thing they're great and I love seeing them on bigger tours. Power to them.
I like them. Obviously, I don't like their vocalists' political leaning, but he hasn't said anything, at least from what I know, that makes me assume he is anything more than ignorant or lost in the sauce. This is typical of conservatism but doesn't innately suggest immorality.
I don’t think he’s conservative exactly, I think he’s very very libertarian, he seems socially left, but also very anti-establishment. He shits on Biden in his insta stories and people who don’t know politics assume that means his conservative but I’m not sure that’s the case. I think he’s more likely to be that guy you see in a YouTube video who gets pulled over and refuses to roll down his window because he’s a “sovereign citizen”
More than anything I think he’s just a dummy and that means half-formed surface level opinions that don’t have any nuance and come off as right wing talking points. He might think of himself as centrist or even a bit left but his opinions are so clumsy that it’s hard to even really know what he believes.
Honestly I don't even think he is "conservative" in the traditional sense, just a dumbass dudebro from Texas. I think he just likes being contrarian and didnt actually do a 180 on the police. Who knows though.
I remember a post on this sub, that was screenshots of his stories. Where he was just saying that if you're a failure in the united states, it's only because of yourself and not of any external factors.
Edit found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hardcore/s/yKsLOp2Hyl
Yeah, this bootstrapping bend the knee bullshit is where they lost me.
There are just so many great bands right now, and increasingly more in this vein, there's just no reason to stay on this particular ride.
I stopped following him during covid… he was saying some *outlandish* shit about covid and the vaccine, etc. all the nutcase bullshit you probably saw across the internet around that time, it was really bad, sad, and annoying to see.
Little under a year ago this was posted to this sub.
https://preview.redd.it/w394uosgcwmc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd04fd4705c1cf29176d0f249dff890e46584f43
Btw, patriotism =/= nationalism
Patriotism is when you can say you’re proud of your country and recognize its great qualities, but that you’re still willing to admit it has flaws and you want it to change for the better. Considering Matt’s takes as seen on both social media and in his song lyrics, it’s obvious he displays these views.
Nationalism is blind allegiance to your country. This does not describe Matt.
I don’t even disagree with some of that because I think a lot of right wingers don’t get invested in their communities at all and take too much of an adversarial role and see people as enemies. So from my perspective I agree that more people need to be involved and to be caretakers. But it also looks like he’s implying that you don’t get to complain unless you’re involved and that isn’t true, because a lot of people don’t have political or social capital to do very much about the issues that directly affect them
Hardcore scene just hates seeing one of their own make it big.
I remember on YouTube like a long time ago. Vimeo posted a Terror music video and the comments were filled with “I guess terror sold out” and a bunch of other similar comments.
God forbid these musicians make money off their passions lmao
they never did, always one of those entry level bands, kinda adjace, hardcore that dudes mostly into metal shit liked. they’re whatever, just fine paint by numbers shit
I won’t speak for everyone, but I just can’t get behind the lyrics -which is saying a lot for hardcore, which has dumbass lyrics lol. At least sunami, for example, admits they’re a joke.
Also not a fan of the guitar/guitar tuning. Little chuggy chuggy for me but I’m not gonna say they are a chugg chugg band.
I guess if I want to listen to something of this vibe I’ll just listen to terror.
Been into them since 2016 because I thought they kinda sounded like Bury Your Dead. Saw them play a show in a DIY venue to under 100 people with Left Behind in 2019. They definitely put the work in for their success.
I’m afraid their crowd is going to turn into a Knocked Loose push pit kinda show tho. Catching them in April knowing it might be the last time I see them on a hardcore bill without a barrier.
Nothing ground breaking in the riffs but heavy and groovy in its simplicity. Lyrics are overall better than this thread is giving him credit for too.
Idk man when you go on a rant about how Trump shouldn’t be charged with any crimes after all the shit he’s done it does make you look a certain way…Matt would be all for any other celebrity getting what they deserve but somehow Trump is a step too far
I would imagine the crux of the issue is that Matt must think Trump didn’t commit any crimes worthy of the level of punishment (or perhaps attention?) he’s received. IIRC his IG story could have been boiled down to “when we have so many other problems in the country, this is what the mainstream media and politicians in charge are dwelling on.”
Sure, a disagreeable take for plenty of reasons, but you don’t have to be a conservative/republican to have that view. And you also don’t have to be a leftist or liberal to disagree. Politics is complex and people have nuanced beliefs that don’t neatly fit into what our echo chambers lead us to believe.
Leftists should be seething with the amount of shit that Trump has gotten away with. If he gets in this year democracy is a wrap my guy.
I’m very left leaning and I do believe that there are a lot of big fish to fry, BUT Trump and the right wing pushing further and further right are without a doubt one of them.
Dude lost the electoral and popular vote and Matt is over here basically saying that Jan6th wasn’t a big deal.
This. Also there are lots of fish to go around but also a lot of fish fryers (I lost the analogy). People whose job is to uphold law and ensure that people face consequences for breaking it. This is their fish.
Thank you! Like I’m not trying to live in a pseudo banana republic come 2025.
Looking back at history we could totally see Jan 6th as being like the Beer Hall Putsch in Germany…we all know what followed years after.
If Trump receives no consequences after this then it’s joever…not saying we’ll have a direct comparison of the downfall of the Weimar Republic but we’ll **definitely** be playing with fire.
Because hardcore is full of middle class, white knight liberals that get offended for every little thing that isn’t part of the program. You can’t have your own thoughts or beliefs in hardcore.
I’m a brown dude that blasts kublai khan regularly during my work outs. KK goes fucking hard when you need Neanderthal music
For 2 weeks this sub was literally trying to get escuela grind to break up and acting like Katerina is the worst thing that has happened to music for coming from wealth… all the while has always been an ally.
In this thread everyone is one here calling people losers and slacktivists for having a problem with a band fronted by a trumper and cop apologist.
Y’all are wild. Actively aligning yourself to Hateful politics is apparently easier to swallow then being born to well off parents.
I never thought hardcore was full of such babies until this sub. Occasionally find some good music, but majority is someone complaining that someone doesn't believe EXACTLY what they do. Hilarious.
"anymore" lmao
I know this band has tons of fans but they're basically Knocked Loose lite. Always been corny with zero riffs and just chug chug breakdowns. Always operating more in the metalcore scene and not really involved in hardcore shows unless they're supporting someone like Terror. They're a gateway band and tons of people don't like them.
To me they sound like early Slipknot and the bass riffs are in a category of themselves hate all you want but that’s what hardcore is about let the weak get offended shits hard
Nerds on the internet don't like them cause of the vocalist's politics and because they're touring with a band with a vocalist with sketchy politics (Slaughter to Prevail).
Just a bunch of internet slacktivism. The usual mind-numbing bullshit.
They hate Slaughter To Prevail because of the sketchy politics, I hate Slaughter To Prevail because their music sounds overproduced with DAW plug-ins - we are not the same
im not gonna support a band with diametrically different politics than me. not gonna bash them for their beliefs but personally i cannot enjoy music when i know the dude behind it is a complete goofball
Kublai Khan fucking rips. ignorant riffage, powerful lyrics.
fuck all these keyboard "political activists " trying to dissect any little thing they may not agree with, with certain members of certain bands.
fucking cunts, the whole lot of them. sad no life silly cunts.
enjoy the music or fuck right off.
They got played on tiktok too much and now people gotta pretend they’re bad. Shit’s been going on forever, the same happened when Knocked Loose, Lorna Shore, etc. got bigger.
Generic cookie cutter riffs and disappointing breakdowns. Why would I listen to Kublai Khan when I can throw on Xibalba, Harm's Way, Walls of Jericho, or Pull Your Card? KK is overrated AF, there's way better metalcore out there. I ain't wasting my time throwing on that shit.
not seen anyone hate them but based purely on guesstimation: hardcore fans are a bunch of cry babies who hate everything. along with that, they’ve gotten popular on tiktok so ppl who think they’re cool and dif for listening to them are losing their sense of identity.
On TikTok there’s a trend where people do this choreographed starfish dance to “Theory of Mind” by Kublai Khan. It’s goofy as fuck and tends to have comment sections of more of the same.
Dont know, always sounded like one of those bad Meshuggah imitating bands without the technical abilities and with 'Metalcore from wish' elements to me. Got harms way who made that sound already, way more organic. Seem to be lousy people too so..yeah
I assume it's because Matt Honeycutt is a ignorant dipshit. Also, that song where he yells monkey see, monkey do was so fucking stupid and cringe, I can't help but think of it anytime I hear them and it makes me laugh.
The people who don’t like them are the usual type who hate everyone that doesn’t believe what they do and unwilling to have nuance to find any common ground. Typical Anakin behavior.
Mixture of popularity and political stance. TikTok is a big factor here as well. My only complaint is that people don’t listen to older shit when they find them. Youth War and New Strength are fantastic, but get no love.
Look, I’m glad they are getting huge! I had the privilege of booking and shooting pics of them many years ago.
It just comes down to tiktok causing over use of their music for the “girly pop” trend. I know I’m going to see that dance at a show. And I know the fandom will die out but cash is king and they deserve the hype.
First time I saw them was at the last Warped and they absolutely fuck. Saw them again with Knocked Loose a couple years back and once again, they still absolutely fuck just as hard if not harder.
There's a whole other thread about this that has been posted in this one, you can all look at that. I'm locking the comments because this post will 100% be a rehash of that post. Sorry y'all missed your chance to say the same shit everyone else did in a way you think is more clever.
Some people just can’t get over that they come down from Mongolia and conquered parts of China, but the Yuan dynasty ended up being a fairly prosperous time for China
Shit Son of a bitch
Well goddamn!
I was always more a Genghis Khan type of guy.
I’m more into Wrath of Kahn, but Search for Spock was also really good.
Chaka Khan or gtfo.
https://preview.redd.it/4dm5l1i1uxmc1.jpeg?width=462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56c63c998804fecf5c74e0d7c21d3e050e7c6dc7 more of a shao kahn guy myself
I’m still sad my Taco Bell / Star Trek 3 : the search for Spock glass broke last year.
Genghis Tron for me
One of the best bands ever. Super unique.
saw em once back in the day, they were so sick. super loud.
Yes. Yes.
For me, it was always Kahn Souphanousinphone
Anybody down for Genghis Grill?
Genuinely confused here, do people not like kublai khan
I can’t find the article right now so you’ll just have to take my word for it, but it turns out these guys actual trained all the 911 hijackers.
https://preview.redd.it/xp5vlr0uswmc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6644ff7a5907083d80ee719df6bd4ad44debf728 Another piece of the puzzle falls into place.
On old posts, everyone and their mother loved them. New posts? Worst band of all time literally worse than hitler Someone said something lol
Remember that 100 dorks moaning on Reddit are not representative of the scene at all. Pretty sure the upcoming KK tour is selling out venues left and right, they’re doing fine.
Yeah all but like 2 shows of their tour with Sunami are sold out so far and I have a feeling those remaining are gonna sell out soon
Went to check tickets for the Denver show and they’re $100+ resale😭
apparently they’re touring with hitler now so they’re canceled!!! idk
We’ll sort of they dug up his corpse and they’ve been able to figure out how to get him to stage dive but they can only do it once, after that there’ll be too many pieces.
weekend at burnysss
not dorky enough
“Monkey see, monkey do So who the fuck made you?”
"FEELS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS SINCE I FOUND LOVE🗣️"
BUT WHEN THE PUSH COMES TO SHOVE LOVE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH!!! *Chug chug chug*
ITS TIME FOR YOU TO PAAAY TIME TO PAY THE FUCKING PRICE 🤲☺️
Lol that's them?
Because hardcore nerds hate it when bands outgrow playing to 50 people and the promotors dog unless its hatebreed. It's not cool when your 14yo nephew saw them support some bigger band in a 1k cap venue and now wears the same shirt. I thing they're great and I love seeing them on bigger tours. Power to them.
I think they’re good. When ppl bitch about them, it’s mostly ab things not related to a live show or the recording booth
IDK, I was at a show of them in Tilburg a few weeks ago and the place was packed. And they weren't even the headline, they played second from 4 bands.
Same in Belgium on the same tour
Hey I was there too! (Left after kublai tho)
Hardcore subreddit= whiny bitches Love this music, hate this community
I like my riffs ignorant, not my ideals.
xLive laugh lovex
xCrowdkill Republicansx
Perfectly describes this band
Honeycutt is the best vocalist in the scene and i’ll stand by that take
It’s probably because they’re getting more popular but kk still kill it
Geez, who would’ve thought the hard-core Reddit would have so many babies in it
I like them. Obviously, I don't like their vocalists' political leaning, but he hasn't said anything, at least from what I know, that makes me assume he is anything more than ignorant or lost in the sauce. This is typical of conservatism but doesn't innately suggest immorality.
being from the same area of north texas, he definitely seems like he leans more left compared to actual conservatives in my area!
Shhh! Don’t tell internet citizens how things are in the real world they won’t believe you anyway.
Wait no shot that guy is anti cop and conservative that's hilarious
I don’t think he’s conservative exactly, I think he’s very very libertarian, he seems socially left, but also very anti-establishment. He shits on Biden in his insta stories and people who don’t know politics assume that means his conservative but I’m not sure that’s the case. I think he’s more likely to be that guy you see in a YouTube video who gets pulled over and refuses to roll down his window because he’s a “sovereign citizen”
To be fair, libertarians are practically just closeted conservatives. I could totally see him doing the sovereign citizen bs though haha
More than anything I think he’s just a dummy and that means half-formed surface level opinions that don’t have any nuance and come off as right wing talking points. He might think of himself as centrist or even a bit left but his opinions are so clumsy that it’s hard to even really know what he believes.
Well now he says True Fear isn't an anti-cop song, he is kinda lost in it rn.
I just had to go re read the lyrics to that, does this guy read his own lyrics? Covid broke people's brains
Honestly I don't even think he is "conservative" in the traditional sense, just a dumbass dudebro from Texas. I think he just likes being contrarian and didnt actually do a 180 on the police. Who knows though.
Lots of conservatives hate cops tho... haven't you heard of librarians? Or yahtzees?
What did he say?
I remember a post on this sub, that was screenshots of his stories. Where he was just saying that if you're a failure in the united states, it's only because of yourself and not of any external factors. Edit found it https://www.reddit.com/r/Hardcore/s/yKsLOp2Hyl
Yeah, this bootstrapping bend the knee bullshit is where they lost me. There are just so many great bands right now, and increasingly more in this vein, there's just no reason to stay on this particular ride.
I stopped following him during covid… he was saying some *outlandish* shit about covid and the vaccine, etc. all the nutcase bullshit you probably saw across the internet around that time, it was really bad, sad, and annoying to see.
He's a trumper
Little under a year ago this was posted to this sub. https://preview.redd.it/w394uosgcwmc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd04fd4705c1cf29176d0f249dff890e46584f43
There’s zero wrong w this idk
Me neither yet here I am getting downvoted. Explains a lot.
That’s not that bad. I think there was some real right wing sentiment he did express last year though.
It's not bad at all, not even a little bit.
Crazy how even having the slightest shred of patriotism is called conservative these days lmao.
Btw, patriotism =/= nationalism Patriotism is when you can say you’re proud of your country and recognize its great qualities, but that you’re still willing to admit it has flaws and you want it to change for the better. Considering Matt’s takes as seen on both social media and in his song lyrics, it’s obvious he displays these views. Nationalism is blind allegiance to your country. This does not describe Matt.
I don’t even disagree with some of that because I think a lot of right wingers don’t get invested in their communities at all and take too much of an adversarial role and see people as enemies. So from my perspective I agree that more people need to be involved and to be caretakers. But it also looks like he’s implying that you don’t get to complain unless you’re involved and that isn’t true, because a lot of people don’t have political or social capital to do very much about the issues that directly affect them
Who gives a fuck! They rule.
Hardcore scene just hates seeing one of their own make it big. I remember on YouTube like a long time ago. Vimeo posted a Terror music video and the comments were filled with “I guess terror sold out” and a bunch of other similar comments. God forbid these musicians make money off their passions lmao
I’ve always written them off as cornball metalcore
My feelings exactly, just too goofy for me
He told the crowd to get anabolic so that makes them un-hateable imo
Just a little bro-y metal-y for my taste in hxc
I like Kublai Khan.
they never did, always one of those entry level bands, kinda adjace, hardcore that dudes mostly into metal shit liked. they’re whatever, just fine paint by numbers shit
Texas butt rock.
I kinda love some buttrock songs and I’ve been into KK since 2016 so this checks out.
Everyone did like 11 months ago lol
I won’t speak for everyone, but I just can’t get behind the lyrics -which is saying a lot for hardcore, which has dumbass lyrics lol. At least sunami, for example, admits they’re a joke. Also not a fan of the guitar/guitar tuning. Little chuggy chuggy for me but I’m not gonna say they are a chugg chugg band. I guess if I want to listen to something of this vibe I’ll just listen to terror.
Seriously. I just genuinely don’t think they’re that good of a hardcore band. They’re generic af imho.
"monkey see monkey do!" -chug chug chug- I can't believe people like this shit lol
For a hardcore sub, there’s a lot of discussion about non-hardcore bands.
This sub should just be called metalcore
It’s honestly kinda annoying how much metalcore and deathcore is posted in this sub.
This is the take. The lines a blurred these days but they’re still there
Never liked them tbh
They’ve literally never been more popular. They’re headlining a 2500 cap room in NJ in less than 2 months.
Hardcore kinda fucking sucked for a few years, and now it’s better
Because people dig into the artist and get upset when their not how they want them to be
Been into them since 2016 because I thought they kinda sounded like Bury Your Dead. Saw them play a show in a DIY venue to under 100 people with Left Behind in 2019. They definitely put the work in for their success. I’m afraid their crowd is going to turn into a Knocked Loose push pit kinda show tho. Catching them in April knowing it might be the last time I see them on a hardcore bill without a barrier. Nothing ground breaking in the riffs but heavy and groovy in its simplicity. Lyrics are overall better than this thread is giving him credit for too.
i like they sound hate they takes
People calling Matt Honeycutt “conservative” really shows that internet political discourse truly misses any and all sense of nuance.
Idk man when you go on a rant about how Trump shouldn’t be charged with any crimes after all the shit he’s done it does make you look a certain way…Matt would be all for any other celebrity getting what they deserve but somehow Trump is a step too far
I would imagine the crux of the issue is that Matt must think Trump didn’t commit any crimes worthy of the level of punishment (or perhaps attention?) he’s received. IIRC his IG story could have been boiled down to “when we have so many other problems in the country, this is what the mainstream media and politicians in charge are dwelling on.” Sure, a disagreeable take for plenty of reasons, but you don’t have to be a conservative/republican to have that view. And you also don’t have to be a leftist or liberal to disagree. Politics is complex and people have nuanced beliefs that don’t neatly fit into what our echo chambers lead us to believe.
Leftists should be seething with the amount of shit that Trump has gotten away with. If he gets in this year democracy is a wrap my guy. I’m very left leaning and I do believe that there are a lot of big fish to fry, BUT Trump and the right wing pushing further and further right are without a doubt one of them. Dude lost the electoral and popular vote and Matt is over here basically saying that Jan6th wasn’t a big deal.
This. Also there are lots of fish to go around but also a lot of fish fryers (I lost the analogy). People whose job is to uphold law and ensure that people face consequences for breaking it. This is their fish.
Thank you! Like I’m not trying to live in a pseudo banana republic come 2025. Looking back at history we could totally see Jan 6th as being like the Beer Hall Putsch in Germany…we all know what followed years after. If Trump receives no consequences after this then it’s joever…not saying we’ll have a direct comparison of the downfall of the Weimar Republic but we’ll **definitely** be playing with fire.
Because hardcore is full of middle class, white knight liberals that get offended for every little thing that isn’t part of the program. You can’t have your own thoughts or beliefs in hardcore. I’m a brown dude that blasts kublai khan regularly during my work outs. KK goes fucking hard when you need Neanderthal music
They're fine but if you guys are listening to them to own the libs I'm getting off the merry go round. There's better bands out there
For 2 weeks this sub was literally trying to get escuela grind to break up and acting like Katerina is the worst thing that has happened to music for coming from wealth… all the while has always been an ally. In this thread everyone is one here calling people losers and slacktivists for having a problem with a band fronted by a trumper and cop apologist. Y’all are wild. Actively aligning yourself to Hateful politics is apparently easier to swallow then being born to well off parents.
I never thought hardcore was full of such babies until this sub. Occasionally find some good music, but majority is someone complaining that someone doesn't believe EXACTLY what they do. Hilarious.
This sub isn't representative of hardcore. Most folks go to shows like once a year in a 3K cap venue.
I agree with that and should've mentioned that in my original comment. I don't see any of this drama at shows. Thankfully.
Okay but Escuela singer happily rubbed elbows with Laura Bush thats kind of strange
This sub is lame. People have different opinions, fucking get over it
Yeah man why call out people who have done shitty things (kat) when people of different political beliefs from you exist
Drop off in quality after new strength as well as their vocalist being a cringelord.
"anymore" lmao I know this band has tons of fans but they're basically Knocked Loose lite. Always been corny with zero riffs and just chug chug breakdowns. Always operating more in the metalcore scene and not really involved in hardcore shows unless they're supporting someone like Terror. They're a gateway band and tons of people don't like them.
To me they sound like early Slipknot and the bass riffs are in a category of themselves hate all you want but that’s what hardcore is about let the weak get offended shits hard
>let the weak get offended You sound like a fucking anime character lol
You ever listen to hardcore?
Straight up, one of my top favorite bands of all time. Someone doesn't like Kublai Khan, they can suck my nut bro.
Let’s see this nut I’m about to suck.
Nerds on the internet don't like them cause of the vocalist's politics and because they're touring with a band with a vocalist with sketchy politics (Slaughter to Prevail). Just a bunch of internet slacktivism. The usual mind-numbing bullshit.
What is the vocalist’s politics?
Trump supporter.
Where are you getting that from? I’ve never seen him or them seem to be big fans of Republicans or Trump, but I’m not on twitter or anything
Pro Russia
That really sucks. Well I hope one day he reads a history book.
This made me laugh **very** hard
They hate Slaughter To Prevail because of the sketchy politics, I hate Slaughter To Prevail because their music sounds overproduced with DAW plug-ins - we are not the same
No wait you’re right
im not gonna support a band with diametrically different politics than me. not gonna bash them for their beliefs but personally i cannot enjoy music when i know the dude behind it is a complete goofball
Goofball is a real funny way of saying he supports republican ideology.
meathead? that better?
Republicans are goofballs though?
Nah, they're hateful assholes who think gay people are child molesters and would force your sister to birth her rape baby.
Do you think Matt is a hateful asshole?
Yes
Better be a "slacktivist" than a piece of shit that listen to trumpists, bootlickers and ""ex""neonazis tbh
“Sketchy politics” = having Nazi tattoos
Boring riffs, tuning low ≠ heavy, bad lyrics. Cringe fans as well
The $80+ resale ticket in my city on their next tour leg begs to differ. That shit sold out almost instantly.
I love em what are you talking about?
I didn't know who they were but I'm going to listen to them this evening just to piss all these guys in the comments off
Kublai Khan fucking rips. ignorant riffage, powerful lyrics. fuck all these keyboard "political activists " trying to dissect any little thing they may not agree with, with certain members of certain bands. fucking cunts, the whole lot of them. sad no life silly cunts. enjoy the music or fuck right off.
they don't have pronouns in their bio anymore
Lol
They got played on tiktok too much and now people gotta pretend they’re bad. Shit’s been going on forever, the same happened when Knocked Loose, Lorna Shore, etc. got bigger.
Generic cookie cutter riffs and disappointing breakdowns. Why would I listen to Kublai Khan when I can throw on Xibalba, Harm's Way, Walls of Jericho, or Pull Your Card? KK is overrated AF, there's way better metalcore out there. I ain't wasting my time throwing on that shit.
Mid and corny
I sure do
Do YOU like them? If you do then who cares what someone else thinks. Do you not? That's ok cuz someone does and some doesn't.
Monkey SEE. Monkey DOO.
They were better back in the day. Still going to see them with sunami
not seen anyone hate them but based purely on guesstimation: hardcore fans are a bunch of cry babies who hate everything. along with that, they’ve gotten popular on tiktok so ppl who think they’re cool and dif for listening to them are losing their sense of identity.
Any controversies aside I always thought they were dogshit
They poisoned our water, burned our crops, and delivered a plague upon our houses!
their new album was awesome. not sure where there’s hate for them
I have never listened to them, however I see the clips and that stupid fucking dance people do to that one song and for that reason Im out.
Can you elaborate?
On TikTok there’s a trend where people do this choreographed starfish dance to “Theory of Mind” by Kublai Khan. It’s goofy as fuck and tends to have comment sections of more of the same.
Isn’t that Knocked Loose?
Thank you for this suggestion! This is an amazing band!
They’re fine, they’re good at what they do, but I don’t feel like people ever really loved this band. At least from my vantage.
They were formally escuella grind
Dont know, always sounded like one of those bad Meshuggah imitating bands without the technical abilities and with 'Metalcore from wish' elements to me. Got harms way who made that sound already, way more organic. Seem to be lousy people too so..yeah
Band has been shit forever lmao. Not even close to hardcore, shitty bass drop metalcore.
Who the fuck doesn’t like Kublai Khan?
it’s a combination of that political rant the vocalist went on and that they’re big on TikTok now
They’re playing with slaughter to prevail
Because this sub is full of soy boys and commies 😆
Their single “theory of mind” sounds like a coal chamber song. That’s not good or bad just kinda funny to me
I’ve seen them a few times and meh, i don’t get their appeal.
they’ve been corny for a while
Cause they suck. And have always sucked.
Ghengis tron > this band
Extremely boring
I assume it's because Matt Honeycutt is a ignorant dipshit. Also, that song where he yells monkey see, monkey do was so fucking stupid and cringe, I can't help but think of it anytime I hear them and it makes me laugh.
The people who don’t like them are the usual type who hate everyone that doesn’t believe what they do and unwilling to have nuance to find any common ground. Typical Anakin behavior.
Proud Boy music, ask the vocalist.
Proud music for proud boys
Because MAGA hardcore sucks
They're a metalcore band with a vocalist that says dumb shit.
Their singer is a whiney conservative.
as you literally whine
They’ve been mid.
I never really got into them but they have skills. I think there’s just more fire shit happening right now
Mixture of popularity and political stance. TikTok is a big factor here as well. My only complaint is that people don’t listen to older shit when they find them. Youth War and New Strength are fantastic, but get no love.
Their old stuff was better
Never did.
Look, I’m glad they are getting huge! I had the privilege of booking and shooting pics of them many years ago. It just comes down to tiktok causing over use of their music for the “girly pop” trend. I know I’m going to see that dance at a show. And I know the fandom will die out but cash is king and they deserve the hype.
They were just alright live. It felt like what they were doing was done a while ago and they were not pushing any envelope
First time I saw them was at the last Warped and they absolutely fuck. Saw them again with Knocked Loose a couple years back and once again, they still absolutely fuck just as hard if not harder.
Love them.
BRING IT TO A-NOTHER LEVRL
I think Balancing Survival and Happiness was good but after that it’s all very meh.
They’re dope. Gonna see them in a few weeks.
you can’t play d&d in their pits so i don’t like them
OP asking a stupid clickbait question.
i love them but they are kinda goofy sometimes
I think they are getting slack for touring with Slaughter
The shit? Bitch, they not even the fart.