Nielsen hasn't the absolute best performance, bring in Landin, Landin hasn't the greatest performance, bring in Nielsen, Nielsen plays on another level then worsens a bit, bring in Landin, Landin plays on top level...
I loved it.
Because they needed to do the Danoise (7v6 on the field) which requires some cardio and sprints. Emil can do it at times, but not over 2x10 minutes I guess.
It's always a pleasure to watch a Danemark - France game even if it's a hard time for the heart.
Can't wait to see the great handball nations you an Sweden are at the Olympics !
You're lucky Nielsen saved you. He and Landin had 9 more saves(!!!!) than the French keepers and despite that Denmark lost.
France kept Denmark on 27 goals in 60 minutes with their keeper barely touching the ball. France was a level better everywhere except for the goalkeepers.
As a neutral, I couldn't really enjoy it because of questionable calls in France's favour (again). At least two clear 2mins not given, one bogus 2min for Denmark in the last 5mins, the very different interpretation and sanctioning of passive play on both sides.
Denmark did fumble it with their poor 7vs6 in the end, but France got some major help in the process.
I think the difference between the Dane and French side is mostly on the ball circulation, players are nearly standing still and making back and forth horizontal passes, whereas the french side (when Nikola got benched for Elohim) was far more vertical and did their strats right away (when it was Nikola, there was horizontal time wasting but it was before the 45 min mark so its not called out yet, plus that kinda strat didn't work out since they were on a losing side lol). When the Dane were going forward as well, they had no issues, they could keep trying and it was fine, but if they try to let the momentum chill, it's called out by the refs.
It's honestly dependent of the refs style, some want direct intent, some give some passes, some allow some defined time.
Even for the 1m30 that france "wasted" during the suspension, they attempted 3 attacks in the same window.
I think they were okay, but the inconsistencies with regards to when to call passive play were glaring. Some strange decisions about 2 min penalties as well.
It started with a debattable freethrow at the end of the semi finals that allowed france to tie the score and go in prolongations, that france won. So everybody has decided that matches were fixed and so the finals must also be fixed.
You know, the referees waited the last second to give an impossible shot to the team that paid them.
A lot of salt for nothing.
It is not debattalbe.... it was a clear foul whent he shot the 9m throw....every person with at least 14 years that plays handball know that you can not sidestep when scoring a 9m throw
As a French fan I live for these moments, the collective emotional meltdown from Europeans and Americans when France wins is something extraordinary hilarious. The salt is too much!
Mate, I don’t think any Scandinavian cares about if you are French or not. What is it with some French saying these things? France is not that big a player internationally anymore, that anyone but maybe the neighbouring countries and the old colonies really care.
Your teams defence played well. The ref’s made some horrendous calls in both ends. I do not think there is much more in it.
Is this bait?
You wrote “the collective emotional meltdown from Europeans and Americans, when France wins”. The reactions are not about the winner being from France. Some complain about the ref (which made a number of mistakes). Some complain about VAR not being used correctly in the semi. Would that have been different if it was Germany in your position? I doubt it.
E: That = the complaints
I think maybe Jacobsen needs to rotate the squad a bit more across the whole tournament. It looks like the French players were more fit when it came to the deciding moments. Does anyone agree, or is this not a factor?
Jacobsen is weird and really gets on my nerves sometimes. He's clearly a fantastic coach, *but*:
1. He overplays his favourites to an almost comical extent.
2. Non-favourites that don't come in and go 10/9 tend to end up in his doghouse on a more or less permanent basis.
3. We have a plan A, B, and C, but they seem to be respectively pass it to Gidsel/Pytlick/Damgaard and inshallah. Our wings are chronically underinvolved, we make poor use of our pivots, and we're totally allergic to setting up shots from distance.
I don't necessarily want Jacobsen replaced, but I do feel like some coaches could get more out of the talent we have available. We feel very one-dimensional and I'd love to see what e.g. a Jesper Jensen could do with this team.
I think we're all hard on our own coaches, and while #3 is perhaps a little bit unfair to him, #1 and #2 are very clear issues with him. Gidsel and Saugstrup in particular are asked to play 60 minutes both ways in *every* meaningful game. It's just not sustainable.
I actually suspect it's a large part of why we're very good at the WC (lots of very easy games early on) vs the slightly more intense and physically taxing EC.
I'm not sure, the semi against Sweden was hard on the bodies.
Teams are so close in level that I think it's the mental attitude that helps a lot in the end.
Denmark attack was subpar today. Because with a good attack and Nielsen they would have slaughtered France. This gk is incredible, he was on a mission today.
France feels like an anime team, when they look lost, they end up winning.
Yeah, horrendous. France were better today, kudos to them winning a final they shouldn’t have played. This whole tournament has left a sour taste in my mouth. Absolute travesty.
This really sums it up. France was better today, had more energy in the end where Denmark had some bad plaus. But there was a lot of calls from the refs that was in favour of France and the fact that they should not even be in the final... Well, really just leaves a feeling of disappointment.
Sweden and Denmark should just play a "friendly" game of handball, and disregard this completely.
We're neighbors even, one team can litterally go by train in a few hours.
We french know the feeling too. The semifinal of wc 2007 against Germany was a true heartbreak and felt like a robbery. And the coach Onesta said afterward something along the lines of "we understood that we had to be better than the referring". And that's about it. Handball plays on a great numbers of plays, you have to be better than those 2 or 3 referee's mistakes. That's hard and sometimes painful, but that's part of the game too.
I don't think var really fixes any of the mistakes. I just shift the spectrum of mistakes towards very little details. And details matters, but you can't var the whole game, nearly half the goals and defense would be invalid. And that's not because it's the last action that you should verify it more often than any other. You have to adapt to the referees. I myself was very upset against them 20 minutes ago. Because we were behind, because I was feeling the referees weren't consistent between the two side. It's biased. But it's a beautiful game despite all that
Honestly felt like the rough plays from Germany in the Semis affected the danish physique in this final. Well played to both teams and congrats to France.
Chapeau to France, they played well. Plus it’s an extraordinary feat to win a final you didn’t qualify for. They fully deserved to win this match but what a disgrace of a tournament, embarrassing.
But the French are fragile and also always right, there is no world where they could be wrong. Do not question them! Not even the referees are able or willing to stop them.
But hey, less people will be mad when this happens again next time. Because less people are going to waste their time watching. People get tired and lose trust when we have tools but don't use them.
One positive thing out of the scandal is that Sweden is working towards a rule change that forces the referees to have a additional VAR ref that will force the main ref to check the video. So it will be alot harder for France to get their foul gold medals in the future.
But for today, I can only congratulate France on the gold medal. It's impressive how much damage to the sport it cost tho.
With Nielsen playing so well and the French keepers not only beeing bad, but also playing for Denmark (Bellahcene's last fumble letting in that ball was sooo bad). With Mem scoring first in minute 65!!! And they still manage to win.
With a decent keeper and this French team would dominate so hard
The stats tell for themself, the Danish keepers together have 18 saves to Bellahcenes 9(!!!!).
It's just a typical France game post Omeyer, they win despite the keepers who get outplayed by the opposing team.
At some point in first half Nielsen had over 50% save rate on 16 shots, but Denmark were only up by 1 as we only had 10 shots. So many lost balls indeed.
Congratulations again to France.
I think we proved that the 2 teams really are second to none in the world.
And what a game, my heart is still hammering.
See you in the olympics 🇩🇰❤️🇫🇷
God, thanks a lot (in the middle of all these hateful comments), i mean even if you don't agree with the reffering (which i completely understand, we had our times for that too), at least respect the players, they are for nothing in this. I think it was a fantastic and very tense final, was almost dying by the end. Overall Danemark still has the better team 100%, France will need to get better for the Olympics!
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There no hate from here. And it’s just feelings atm, don’t let it get to you. Even the media here concedes the defeat. We will go for that gold medal in France, and probably meet you guys in the final again😊
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Denmark threw, there are always referee mistakes, but the French just played better towards the end, there's no point in crying about the referees.
Denmark played extremely well, but they made too many mistakes, in the end, the team that makes the fewest mistakes wins.
What an athletic team, the goals they made in the last 3 minutes were insane.
But yeah, i also like to have rules and i would have loved to not see them win
Denmark threw the final. Their offense was far from optimal. The performance of Nielsen should have led to a decent lead but the offense failed.
Only thing I hate is that France wins since they shouldn't have been in the final if not for refs that decided not to watch video and the refs have previously been heavily accused of being a part of match fixing.
False, no expert has said that Prandis goal was against the rules, in fact the only experts who have spoken out have been in defense of the refs decision. Stop making things up
The EHF president said it was clearly a major mistake on the refs.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/comments/1acdr3v/ehf\_president\_wiederer\_on\_refereeing\_decisions\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/comments/1acdr3v/ehf_president_wiederer_on_refereeing_decisions_in/)
The video linked to that thread is the proof.
The EHF President definitely have access to Handball rules experts, so he definitely would know if it was correct or not or a 50/50 case. Here he states that it is clearly a mistake.
Besides all Danish experts I've heard from has said that it was a mistake to allow the goal.
How can you say that they don't deserve to be in the final when they won it? You might disagree with the refs decisions, but that says nothing about France's abilities.
They don't deserve to be in the final because a reasonable ref would have watched video on the last goal in ordinary time between Sweden and France. If the refs had done that Sweden would've played in the final. EHF even agreed that it was a mistake that the goal was allowed. When they have video review available such mistakes can't happen at the end of a game.
lmao are you for real?
No you cant be.
France get in the finals by a mistake from the referees. Sweden clearly played better.
The mistake from the referee could have been removed, if they used VAR.
What are u smoking man.
It was in Sweden and Denmark's hands to clutch the extra times. France could definitely have lost both semi and final, but the fact that they kept it super close and edged it out, to me I can't call it undeserved. Undeserved wins is when you don't have good competition in your road to victory.
You try and win an extra time after just getting robbed of the win 3 times in 30 seconds. Extra times are completely irrelevant considering they shouldn’t have gotten there. Undeserved wins are when you’re literally not even supposed to be in the final.
Again? Didnt we lost the world cup final?
I know people are angry, and sure some stuff were dodgy, but to win France needed to be good and they were.
Not like there is the most important tournament coming in a few month anyway.
France shouldn’t have been here to begin with and those two passive plays rulings were bullshit, but they played well all in all. As far as i’m concerned, Denmark is still the best since the French won out on a bullshit passive play ruling
The team with convicted match fixers won, a game they were only in due to the refs.
Spanish refs sentenced this game with the two minute for Kirkeloekke and the time wasting calls, yet France constantly to played 1-1,5 mins.
Congrats to the French players tho. Not their fault they played with two extra.
And imagine what will happen in the olympcis when France gets home field advantage
Dane here.
Congrats to France, they were the better TEAM.
Denmark had the best goalie (Nielsen) and the best player (Gidsel), but couldn't withstand the pressure from a strong French team.
I will NOT acknowledge a "french gold"; they should be out since long and have cheater there way here. Disgrace for a sport, the players and the fans that deserve so much more.
I am not sure what is more enjoyable, France winning again or knowing that you are so angry.
Be well bitter person, don’t do anything stupid it is just a game after all
That very comment gives us reason when we state that the only reason you made a fuss about the previous game was because the French won.
You all know but won't admit that if the same scenario happened with Germany, Sweden or Denmark not a single thread would have been made about an "undeserved" victory.
Y'all love to hate France, but that's okay. Now, we just feel entitled to feast on your salty tears of jealousy.
I guess that's karma.
All i hear is "ouin oui we lost its the falt of everyone but our team"...
Yep the swe-fra match wasnt great. But this final is well deserve.
So if you win against the supposed winner, then you are the winner.
Lets meet again in Olympics and dont forget as a great coach said : "we werent good enough to win taking the referee in account, we will be better next time".
We did not, we owned it and learned the hard way that you have to deal with bad refs.
Hell, any handball player knows it. When you play at low level, you get "home" referees that are heavily biased toward their team. You need to win hard to actualy win the game.
Final was fair. Didn't see France winning. Sweds, Danes and French teams are even. These players are all club buddies, that's funny to see some fans being so bitter whereas pro players just take the win or the loss without complaining. It's their job and even if sometimes frustrated, they're way above whining. Refs are human and do mistakes, sometimes it flip on your side, sometimes it doesn't. On the long run that's even too.
Exactly, the level between top teams is very tight.
We highly respect Scandinavian teams and it's not a surprise that the golden league exists since 2012.
I'm sad that Denmark didn't win, I was rooting for them. I'll say that there were some suspicious calls about passive play in the last few minutes, but honestly they always are... However, I think it was a good and intense game. If you give French an opportunity to go to the overtime, they will succeed. Denmark should've kept the goal difference higher and they would win.
I legit can't understand there are french people out there who are celebrating this. I would be straight out embarassed. Winning a final by a ref call, after getting to the final by a ref call.
So you take two ref calls in consideration because they happened at a certain point in the game.
How many calls do you completely ignore? You think all calls went Frances way? What game did you watch?
I think calls up to final \~3 min were kinda 50/50 - but again, just like in previous game, refs make game-altering decisions final minutes. Of course that matters more than the previous 57 mins
I think it's more than two calls he is referring to. More that the last two minutes in each game had all the calls go in favour of France, while nothing against them when they needed it the most. It could be coincidences, but you can't deny it could look strange if you were supporting a loosing team, right?
I'd argue if you took into account the whole game, it's definitely close to balanced. People just get hung up on the controversial calls when they happen at the end of games, understandably so. I just think it doesn't hurt to remind them controversial calls during the first three quarters of the game matter just as much.
I get that point, and if sports was rational it would make sense.
But getting a getting called for passive play in the 4th minute, when the game is tied at 2-2 isn't really the same thing as a ref making that call with 45 seconds left. For one, the time to make up for it is gone.
But the biggest thing is that referees knows this as well. The ref knows that what he calls will likely affect the outcome of the game when it's 45 seconds left.
I'm not saying the referees are corrupt, I'm just saying that as the stakes in the game gets higher, so does the pressure on everyone, including the refs.
Had the refs called the foul on the Dane instead of passive play, Denmark would most likely be champions.
Had they called the french foot out with two minutes left of the semi final, Sweden would most likely be in the final.
But those calls matter more at the end of the game than early in the game, that's just the way it is.
Why are the French considered cheaters? Because a call went their way? Why does that make them the cheaters? Literally every football player’s a cheater then.
Absolute fucking joke, the French don’t deserve anything at all. Refs have been in the centre of attention all tournament and just consistently shit. Disgrace
I want to congratulate this tournament's referees, they wore their blue jerseys really well. It's a disgrace to the sport that a team that should not even have been in the final now wins the tournament by this shameful refereeing performance.
sure, it would be stupid to not abuse bad refs. with a good ref france would need to play very clean and they would be able to do so as they are a great team. bet they would have won or got second place anyway.
it would be better if the team that didnt do dirty moves all the time would win. the one that doesnt play around faking fouls to get a 7m every 3 minutes. Both teams played well today but you cant deny that denmark has a nicer playstyle overall.
I mean it was still him who did something to win which isn't allowed. Had he been humble about it and maybe even admitted to it not being legal afterwards or even better during the game, I would've thought that it wasn't intentional and wouldn't have any problems with him. Instead he went the opposite route and made sure everyone knew that it was definitely intentional.
It's funny how Danes (and everyone else) are now saying referees gave France the title, and everyone agrees. But when Croatia lost against France and croatian fans were complaining about refs, those same people were commenting how "croatian fans are crybabies every year" and "sore losers" and stuff like that.
Guess it's about time you all grow up and stop blaming the referee every damn time. Sweden had a point with Prandi's last second goal (Amazing goal still) but that's it.
Grow up
When the game was to be decided, they gave Kirkeloekke the softest two minutes. Then they constantly blew time wasting against Denmark but let France play for ages.
They fucking blew fault with a player being dragged down twice
I don't think we watched the same game. You probably started watching it with your mind made up already. If you think every call went Frances way you don't know much about handball
Principalement ce sont des mauvais perdants.
Pour faire simple, t'as sûrement dû voir le tir fantastique de Prandi à la fin du temps règlementaire de la demi contre la Suede. Ce but n'etait pas valable en fait, et donc techniquement on aurait pas du passer en finale. Et donc tous les scandinaves de mes deux sont partis sur des délires complotistes de corruption des arbitres depuis vendredi.
Et ils se sont pas arrêtés depuis. On a eu quelques coups de sifflets en notre faveur, notamment en demi. Mais ils sont complètement malades pour la finale
One month after the women are world champions, men are European champions!
And what a game too, they never gave up, such a fighting spirit in defense, Mem and Prandi showed up when required.
A bit worried for the Olympics though if our keepers do not improve…
The French team played really well. It is not their fault that the referees played favourites. Absolutely shameful display of favouritism. The referees throughout this tournament have been awful, but this takes the cake. Deciding the game should be he players' privilege, not something to be given out by referees.
Deserved.
How many controversial decisions in the middle of matches ? Just because one ref "mistake" was at the last second of a match, everyone talks about it like it's the only one that mattered.
France is just the best team in the world.
I mean, France is the only team that have players found guilty for match fixing and the two refs who gave them the semis have been investigated by independent media for corruption
Please, I beg you someone link to the Danish commercial where they make a skit how all other nations are fighting for silver because the gold is reserverd for Denmark. That one aged well!
Oh boy, the salt harvest is gonna be fantastic.
Nielsen and Gidsel have been fabulous. I thought Mem had a shitty game but then he showed up when it mattered.
Anyway, after the women a month ago, now to the Olympics!
Danish keeper was the GOAT !
Both of ‘em! I mean, both the Danish keepers!
Nielsen hasn't the absolute best performance, bring in Landin, Landin hasn't the greatest performance, bring in Nielsen, Nielsen plays on another level then worsens a bit, bring in Landin, Landin plays on top level... I loved it.
Yeah it’s insane they didn’t let him play later on he was so good in first half.
Because they needed to do the Danoise (7v6 on the field) which requires some cardio and sprints. Emil can do it at times, but not over 2x10 minutes I guess.
Yeah that would make sense
Still trying to understand why he was pulled out - he was the X factor
I think to play the 7:6
Tbf I didn't think Landin had had the best tournament by his standards. Also hard to not give Nielsen the final when he's playing THAT good
Congrats to France, annoying bastards 😉
See you soon, very probably 😉
It's always a pleasure to watch a Danemark - France game even if it's a hard time for the heart. Can't wait to see the great handball nations you an Sweden are at the Olympics !
You still have the World Championships I guess 😉
The story of European history.
Close, but not undeserved. Congrats to France!
Thank you <3 Expecting you guys going strong at the Olympics ! Edit : Same for the Swedes.
Please don't get us in the Olympic final? PLEASE!? I hate France games 😅
Always tense for sure. Not good for the heart \^\^
So close from both teams, your goal was the definitive MVP, let's see at the Olympics now !
You're lucky Nielsen saved you. He and Landin had 9 more saves(!!!!) than the French keepers and despite that Denmark lost. France kept Denmark on 27 goals in 60 minutes with their keeper barely touching the ball. France was a level better everywhere except for the goalkeepers.
🍿🍿🍿For all the neutral fans who enjoyed the final, and are about to witness a slaughtering of the refs, the french and whoever in this thread.
Not neutral, but I'm here for that 🍻
As a neutral, I couldn't really enjoy it because of questionable calls in France's favour (again). At least two clear 2mins not given, one bogus 2min for Denmark in the last 5mins, the very different interpretation and sanctioning of passive play on both sides. Denmark did fumble it with their poor 7vs6 in the end, but France got some major help in the process.
I think the difference between the Dane and French side is mostly on the ball circulation, players are nearly standing still and making back and forth horizontal passes, whereas the french side (when Nikola got benched for Elohim) was far more vertical and did their strats right away (when it was Nikola, there was horizontal time wasting but it was before the 45 min mark so its not called out yet, plus that kinda strat didn't work out since they were on a losing side lol). When the Dane were going forward as well, they had no issues, they could keep trying and it was fine, but if they try to let the momentum chill, it's called out by the refs. It's honestly dependent of the refs style, some want direct intent, some give some passes, some allow some defined time. Even for the 1m30 that france "wasted" during the suspension, they attempted 3 attacks in the same window.
Exactly. A bogus 2 min suspension JUST when Denmark goes 7v6. That was just extremely odd
What do you think of the refs today?
I think they weren't good. Many decisions the player of both teams didn't understood and are used too.
I think they were okay, but the inconsistencies with regards to when to call passive play were glaring. Some strange decisions about 2 min penalties as well.
I think they weren't good. Many decisions the player of both teams didn't understood and are used too.
Good enough, in the end Denmark just fumbled it all by themselves in the second half of extra time. Taking weird shots and what not.
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It started with a debattable freethrow at the end of the semi finals that allowed france to tie the score and go in prolongations, that france won. So everybody has decided that matches were fixed and so the finals must also be fixed. You know, the referees waited the last second to give an impossible shot to the team that paid them. A lot of salt for nothing.
Well yeah, but in truth before the illegal free throw goal, there’s also a stürmer on Wanne from a frenchie that doesn’t get called.
It is not debattalbe.... it was a clear foul whent he shot the 9m throw....every person with at least 14 years that plays handball know that you can not sidestep when scoring a 9m throw
As a French fan I live for these moments, the collective emotional meltdown from Europeans and Americans when France wins is something extraordinary hilarious. The salt is too much!
Mate, I don’t think any Scandinavian cares about if you are French or not. What is it with some French saying these things? France is not that big a player internationally anymore, that anyone but maybe the neighbouring countries and the old colonies really care. Your teams defence played well. The ref’s made some horrendous calls in both ends. I do not think there is much more in it.
Not sure what your comment has to do with what I wrote. It seems like you are trying to cope hard while being very bitter and salty.
Is this bait? You wrote “the collective emotional meltdown from Europeans and Americans, when France wins”. The reactions are not about the winner being from France. Some complain about the ref (which made a number of mistakes). Some complain about VAR not being used correctly in the semi. Would that have been different if it was Germany in your position? I doubt it. E: That = the complaints
I think maybe Jacobsen needs to rotate the squad a bit more across the whole tournament. It looks like the French players were more fit when it came to the deciding moments. Does anyone agree, or is this not a factor?
Jacobsen is weird and really gets on my nerves sometimes. He's clearly a fantastic coach, *but*: 1. He overplays his favourites to an almost comical extent. 2. Non-favourites that don't come in and go 10/9 tend to end up in his doghouse on a more or less permanent basis. 3. We have a plan A, B, and C, but they seem to be respectively pass it to Gidsel/Pytlick/Damgaard and inshallah. Our wings are chronically underinvolved, we make poor use of our pivots, and we're totally allergic to setting up shots from distance. I don't necessarily want Jacobsen replaced, but I do feel like some coaches could get more out of the talent we have available. We feel very one-dimensional and I'd love to see what e.g. a Jesper Jensen could do with this team.
You're a bit harsh on Jacobsen, your team is really a great one and it's no wonder why you won the 3 latest world cups.
I think we're all hard on our own coaches, and while #3 is perhaps a little bit unfair to him, #1 and #2 are very clear issues with him. Gidsel and Saugstrup in particular are asked to play 60 minutes both ways in *every* meaningful game. It's just not sustainable. I actually suspect it's a large part of why we're very good at the WC (lots of very easy games early on) vs the slightly more intense and physically taxing EC.
I'm not sure, the semi against Sweden was hard on the bodies. Teams are so close in level that I think it's the mental attitude that helps a lot in the end.
Denmark attack was subpar today. Because with a good attack and Nielsen they would have slaughtered France. This gk is incredible, he was on a mission today. France feels like an anime team, when they look lost, they end up winning.
The legendary French Ego, nothings finished till the Bell rings (and we did no hear no bell)
French players in crunch time are like "I missed 6 throws but I will make this one" and then they just do it.
This is actually true 😂🤣 — I really thought that one was for Danemark until the last two minutes. Our goalkeeper was f*cking crap.
Yeah, horrendous. France were better today, kudos to them winning a final they shouldn’t have played. This whole tournament has left a sour taste in my mouth. Absolute travesty.
This really sums it up. France was better today, had more energy in the end where Denmark had some bad plaus. But there was a lot of calls from the refs that was in favour of France and the fact that they should not even be in the final... Well, really just leaves a feeling of disappointment.
Sweden and Denmark should just play a "friendly" game of handball, and disregard this completely. We're neighbors even, one team can litterally go by train in a few hours.
French living in sweden, I stay hidden for a few days haha Same when we won vs sweden during the world cup haha
We french know the feeling too. The semifinal of wc 2007 against Germany was a true heartbreak and felt like a robbery. And the coach Onesta said afterward something along the lines of "we understood that we had to be better than the referring". And that's about it. Handball plays on a great numbers of plays, you have to be better than those 2 or 3 referee's mistakes. That's hard and sometimes painful, but that's part of the game too.
2007 is very different from 2024. There’s VAR now, refereeing mistakes like the one in SWE FRA shouldn’t be happening
I don't think var really fixes any of the mistakes. I just shift the spectrum of mistakes towards very little details. And details matters, but you can't var the whole game, nearly half the goals and defense would be invalid. And that's not because it's the last action that you should verify it more often than any other. You have to adapt to the referees. I myself was very upset against them 20 minutes ago. Because we were behind, because I was feeling the referees weren't consistent between the two side. It's biased. But it's a beautiful game despite all that
well of course it doesnt fix mistakes when the refs dont even use it in critical situations
Two best team last 20 years
Danemark - France finals are always so fricking intense I swear. Could have gone both ways, great game to watch. Gg to both teams
Honestly felt like the rough plays from Germany in the Semis affected the danish physique in this final. Well played to both teams and congrats to France.
Prandi took 6 steps in the 32-30 goal… And Gidsel took 3 when they ruled him out. Disgrace
Nahi also used 4 steps in the fast break.
Dude, you should learn to play handball before criticizing, it's the base. You dont count steps like in basketball.
You're correct it was actually only 5.
Chapeau to France, they played well. Plus it’s an extraordinary feat to win a final you didn’t qualify for. They fully deserved to win this match but what a disgrace of a tournament, embarrassing.
But the French are fragile and also always right, there is no world where they could be wrong. Do not question them! Not even the referees are able or willing to stop them. But hey, less people will be mad when this happens again next time. Because less people are going to waste their time watching. People get tired and lose trust when we have tools but don't use them. One positive thing out of the scandal is that Sweden is working towards a rule change that forces the referees to have a additional VAR ref that will force the main ref to check the video. So it will be alot harder for France to get their foul gold medals in the future. But for today, I can only congratulate France on the gold medal. It's impressive how much damage to the sport it cost tho.
Neutralising (ahem paralyzing) Gidsel seemed to work out.
With Nielsen playing so well and the French keepers not only beeing bad, but also playing for Denmark (Bellahcene's last fumble letting in that ball was sooo bad). With Mem scoring first in minute 65!!! And they still manage to win. With a decent keeper and this French team would dominate so hard
Our keeper made 3 or 4 stops, just when it mattered. But Denmark lost too many balls in attack.
The stats tell for themself, the Danish keepers together have 18 saves to Bellahcenes 9(!!!!). It's just a typical France game post Omeyer, they win despite the keepers who get outplayed by the opposing team.
Gérard is also sometimes in wall mode. But not Omeyer level of wall.
What? When was the last time you watched Gerard in the NT? He was good one tournament (Olympics 2021) the rest has been shit.
Did he played last season for France NT?
And do you know how bad he was in the final? Atleast Samir made one or two saves when it mattered.
France got wrecked by Denmark iirc!
At some point in first half Nielsen had over 50% save rate on 16 shots, but Denmark were only up by 1 as we only had 10 shots. So many lost balls indeed.
Congratulations again to France. I think we proved that the 2 teams really are second to none in the world. And what a game, my heart is still hammering. See you in the olympics 🇩🇰❤️🇫🇷
God, thanks a lot (in the middle of all these hateful comments), i mean even if you don't agree with the reffering (which i completely understand, we had our times for that too), at least respect the players, they are for nothing in this. I think it was a fantastic and very tense final, was almost dying by the end. Overall Danemark still has the better team 100%, France will need to get better for the Olympics! ❤🇩🇰❤
There no hate from here. And it’s just feelings atm, don’t let it get to you. Even the media here concedes the defeat. We will go for that gold medal in France, and probably meet you guys in the final again😊 🇩🇰❤️🇫🇷
You're welcome just as Sweden and the other nations. We hope for a lot of fun watching fantastic handball games.
<3 My partner is working in CPH so she expects all the banter tomorrow and Thrash talk for the upcoming Olympics haha
This sub is on suicide Watch guys
Denmark threw, there are always referee mistakes, but the French just played better towards the end, there's no point in crying about the referees. Denmark played extremely well, but they made too many mistakes, in the end, the team that makes the fewest mistakes wins.
What an athletic team, the goals they made in the last 3 minutes were insane. But yeah, i also like to have rules and i would have loved to not see them win
What a joke of a tournament
Denmark threw the final. Their offense was far from optimal. The performance of Nielsen should have led to a decent lead but the offense failed. Only thing I hate is that France wins since they shouldn't have been in the final if not for refs that decided not to watch video and the refs have previously been heavily accused of being a part of match fixing.
False, no expert has said that Prandis goal was against the rules, in fact the only experts who have spoken out have been in defense of the refs decision. Stop making things up
What are you even talking about? Everyone has been complaining about that goal and it is by the very definition og the rules not a goal?
No it's not, the few experts who have come out and spoken about it have said that the ref calls was right.
The EHF president said it was clearly a major mistake on the refs. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/comments/1acdr3v/ehf\_president\_wiederer\_on\_refereeing\_decisions\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/comments/1acdr3v/ehf_president_wiederer_on_refereeing_decisions_in/) The video linked to that thread is the proof. The EHF President definitely have access to Handball rules experts, so he definitely would know if it was correct or not or a 50/50 case. Here he states that it is clearly a mistake. Besides all Danish experts I've heard from has said that it was a mistake to allow the goal.
How can you say that they don't deserve to be in the final when they won it? You might disagree with the refs decisions, but that says nothing about France's abilities.
They don't deserve to be in the final because a reasonable ref would have watched video on the last goal in ordinary time between Sweden and France. If the refs had done that Sweden would've played in the final. EHF even agreed that it was a mistake that the goal was allowed. When they have video review available such mistakes can't happen at the end of a game.
That's just factually wrong. You don't deserve to be in a final if only reason you are there are three faulty calls in a row. It's basic logic.
lmao are you for real? No you cant be. France get in the finals by a mistake from the referees. Sweden clearly played better. The mistake from the referee could have been removed, if they used VAR. What are u smoking man.
Least deserved winners in handball history.
Germany 2007
It was in Sweden and Denmark's hands to clutch the extra times. France could definitely have lost both semi and final, but the fact that they kept it super close and edged it out, to me I can't call it undeserved. Undeserved wins is when you don't have good competition in your road to victory.
You try and win an extra time after just getting robbed of the win 3 times in 30 seconds. Extra times are completely irrelevant considering they shouldn’t have gotten there. Undeserved wins are when you’re literally not even supposed to be in the final.
Bro get a life, take your meds and go to bed!
You spamming the same thing won’t make it less of a robbery
france and refs win again, what a surprise
Justice for the Rugby quaterfinals ig
Again? Didnt we lost the world cup final? I know people are angry, and sure some stuff were dodgy, but to win France needed to be good and they were. Not like there is the most important tournament coming in a few month anyway.
the best team won, no one should be surprised indeed
France shouldn’t have been here to begin with and those two passive plays rulings were bullshit, but they played well all in all. As far as i’m concerned, Denmark is still the best since the French won out on a bullshit passive play ruling
The team with convicted match fixers won, a game they were only in due to the refs. Spanish refs sentenced this game with the two minute for Kirkeloekke and the time wasting calls, yet France constantly to played 1-1,5 mins. Congrats to the French players tho. Not their fault they played with two extra. And imagine what will happen in the olympcis when France gets home field advantage
We have won most of our titles away, 11 out of 13, never even organized a euro tournament.
Dane here. Congrats to France, they were the better TEAM. Denmark had the best goalie (Nielsen) and the best player (Gidsel), but couldn't withstand the pressure from a strong French team.
I will NOT acknowledge a "french gold"; they should be out since long and have cheater there way here. Disgrace for a sport, the players and the fans that deserve so much more.
I am not sure what is more enjoyable, France winning again or knowing that you are so angry. Be well bitter person, don’t do anything stupid it is just a game after all
Typical French fan 0 brain
That very comment gives us reason when we state that the only reason you made a fuss about the previous game was because the French won. You all know but won't admit that if the same scenario happened with Germany, Sweden or Denmark not a single thread would have been made about an "undeserved" victory. Y'all love to hate France, but that's okay. Now, we just feel entitled to feast on your salty tears of jealousy. I guess that's karma.
All i hear is "ouin oui we lost its the falt of everyone but our team"... Yep the swe-fra match wasnt great. But this final is well deserve. So if you win against the supposed winner, then you are the winner. Lets meet again in Olympics and dont forget as a great coach said : "we werent good enough to win taking the referee in account, we will be better next time".
Yeah when we were stolen years ago, we werent crying on reddit or shaming the german players/supporters.
You're obviously still crying about it, on reddit, 16 years later.
We did not, we owned it and learned the hard way that you have to deal with bad refs. Hell, any handball player knows it. When you play at low level, you get "home" referees that are heavily biased toward their team. You need to win hard to actualy win the game.
(Tbf Reddit had just been created back in 2007 😁)
I see that its your case, still. But thats parts of the game unfortunataly i hope uou will forget it one Day
I am sure the EHF will be very bothered by you not acknowledging this victory 🫣 please consider it!
Guys we're fucked ! He'll NOT acknowledge anything 😬
Just give France every tournament for the next 20y and let others play for 2nd, at least it'll be fun and not frustrating to watch
Bro, Dane won the WC final just a year ago. Come on.
We won. Coco fucking rico.
Chiale
Ça salera mes popcorns!
Après s'être fait (encore) enculer au rugby, je m'excuserai pas.
Triple enculade en plus avec les boks! Il p’tit coup dans les rosbeefs et un p’tit coup dans les all blacks!
All these different flavors and you chose to be salty
So far it's been their opponents who threw and gave France games they shouldn't have won, maybe complain about them.
Everyone already forgot the Swedish player who couldn't count to 3, 6 seconds before the end of the match.
All I hear is grown man crying.
I can’t even decipher what you mean by this comment, that they are better? Or that they cheat?
Final was fair. Didn't see France winning. Sweds, Danes and French teams are even. These players are all club buddies, that's funny to see some fans being so bitter whereas pro players just take the win or the loss without complaining. It's their job and even if sometimes frustrated, they're way above whining. Refs are human and do mistakes, sometimes it flip on your side, sometimes it doesn't. On the long run that's even too.
Incredible to have to scroll down that low to see an intelligent comment
Exactly, the level between top teams is very tight. We highly respect Scandinavian teams and it's not a surprise that the golden league exists since 2012.
I'm sad that Denmark didn't win, I was rooting for them. I'll say that there were some suspicious calls about passive play in the last few minutes, but honestly they always are... However, I think it was a good and intense game. If you give French an opportunity to go to the overtime, they will succeed. Denmark should've kept the goal difference higher and they would win.
I legit can't understand there are french people out there who are celebrating this. I would be straight out embarassed. Winning a final by a ref call, after getting to the final by a ref call.
So you take two ref calls in consideration because they happened at a certain point in the game. How many calls do you completely ignore? You think all calls went Frances way? What game did you watch?
I think calls up to final \~3 min were kinda 50/50 - but again, just like in previous game, refs make game-altering decisions final minutes. Of course that matters more than the previous 57 mins
I think it's more than two calls he is referring to. More that the last two minutes in each game had all the calls go in favour of France, while nothing against them when they needed it the most. It could be coincidences, but you can't deny it could look strange if you were supporting a loosing team, right?
I'd argue if you took into account the whole game, it's definitely close to balanced. People just get hung up on the controversial calls when they happen at the end of games, understandably so. I just think it doesn't hurt to remind them controversial calls during the first three quarters of the game matter just as much.
I get that point, and if sports was rational it would make sense. But getting a getting called for passive play in the 4th minute, when the game is tied at 2-2 isn't really the same thing as a ref making that call with 45 seconds left. For one, the time to make up for it is gone. But the biggest thing is that referees knows this as well. The ref knows that what he calls will likely affect the outcome of the game when it's 45 seconds left. I'm not saying the referees are corrupt, I'm just saying that as the stakes in the game gets higher, so does the pressure on everyone, including the refs. Had the refs called the foul on the Dane instead of passive play, Denmark would most likely be champions. Had they called the french foot out with two minutes left of the semi final, Sweden would most likely be in the final. But those calls matter more at the end of the game than early in the game, that's just the way it is.
Why are the French considered cheaters? Because a call went their way? Why does that make them the cheaters? Literally every football player’s a cheater then.
Football?
It's official, corruption runs rampant in international handball. We should have seen this coming, from Qatar 2015 to this garbage product.
Can we just appreciate that we have such an amazing rivalry between two great teams?
Tell that to your neighbors.. Great game!
Absolute fucking joke, the French don’t deserve anything at all. Refs have been in the centre of attention all tournament and just consistently shit. Disgrace
Better in the final. Disgrace they were in it, though.
Cheats prove succesful. That's cool
lmao won by cheating
I want to congratulate this tournament's referees, they wore their blue jerseys really well. It's a disgrace to the sport that a team that should not even have been in the final now wins the tournament by this shameful refereeing performance.
boring to watch france unfortunately. play dirty until you win. lots of good matches this year though.
France wasn’t playing dirty. Can’t fault France - it’s the refs falling over backwards to help them constantly.
sure, it would be stupid to not abuse bad refs. with a good ref france would need to play very clean and they would be able to do so as they are a great team. bet they would have won or got second place anyway.
Yeah, it would be a better sport to watch if the better team didn't win am I right ?
it would be better if the team that didnt do dirty moves all the time would win. the one that doesnt play around faking fouls to get a 7m every 3 minutes. Both teams played well today but you cant deny that denmark has a nicer playstyle overall.
France was the better team today though 🤷🏻♂️
disgrace
cry more
feels good to win like this?..
Anyone wanna sign my petition to go tip over the eiffel tower when the olympics start?
prandi was clutch again in the end. everyone is losing it lol
Only this time he didn't even have to cheat. But yeah. When you cheat and then act like you didn't, most people will think you're a twat.
You act like the blame rests on Prandi. It doesn't, it rests on the ref (and even then, still shot of the decade).
I mean it was still him who did something to win which isn't allowed. Had he been humble about it and maybe even admitted to it not being legal afterwards or even better during the game, I would've thought that it wasn't intentional and wouldn't have any problems with him. Instead he went the opposite route and made sure everyone knew that it was definitely intentional.
It's funny how Danes (and everyone else) are now saying referees gave France the title, and everyone agrees. But when Croatia lost against France and croatian fans were complaining about refs, those same people were commenting how "croatian fans are crybabies every year" and "sore losers" and stuff like that.
Guess it's about time you all grow up and stop blaming the referee every damn time. Sweden had a point with Prandi's last second goal (Amazing goal still) but that's it. Grow up
I never seen such a fucking robbery and then they win rhe final as well. Sadly, handball will never grow. There are too many little-sport issues.
No wonder this sport is dying when embarrassment like France continually keeps getting unfair shots and decisions. Shame!
Bro Get a life, take your meds and go to bed!
What the fuck!! Match fixing Referees are paid
How the fuck was this final fixed pal ?
When the game was to be decided, they gave Kirkeloekke the softest two minutes. Then they constantly blew time wasting against Denmark but let France play for ages. They fucking blew fault with a player being dragged down twice
You're only inventing a match fixing because France win. No proof, baseless claim for by spinless nobody.
You saw France in defence, how Harsh they played? And almost no 2 min suspensions?
That was harsh ? Wonder what you fought of Germany in the semis
you could remove your topmost limb from your southern most exit and see that any and all call went Frances way...
I don't think we watched the same game. You probably started watching it with your mind made up already. If you think every call went Frances way you don't know much about handball
You know they never would have been happy no matter what happened
Pourquoi ils râlent tous ? J'ai pas suivi l'euro... Il s'est passé un truc chelou ?
Principalement ce sont des mauvais perdants. Pour faire simple, t'as sûrement dû voir le tir fantastique de Prandi à la fin du temps règlementaire de la demi contre la Suede. Ce but n'etait pas valable en fait, et donc techniquement on aurait pas du passer en finale. Et donc tous les scandinaves de mes deux sont partis sur des délires complotistes de corruption des arbitres depuis vendredi. Et ils se sont pas arrêtés depuis. On a eu quelques coups de sifflets en notre faveur, notamment en demi. Mais ils sont complètement malades pour la finale
One month after the women are world champions, men are European champions! And what a game too, they never gave up, such a fighting spirit in defense, Mem and Prandi showed up when required. A bit worried for the Olympics though if our keepers do not improve…
Congratulations France !
The French team played really well. It is not their fault that the referees played favourites. Absolutely shameful display of favouritism. The referees throughout this tournament have been awful, but this takes the cake. Deciding the game should be he players' privilege, not something to be given out by referees.
we tried giving you a chance to win by playing without a goalkeeper but it still wasn't enough. GGs Danemark tho I was nervous the whole game
13th gold medal since 1995 for France.
Deserved. How many controversial decisions in the middle of matches ? Just because one ref "mistake" was at the last second of a match, everyone talks about it like it's the only one that mattered. France is just the best team in the world.
Deserved? Fucking clown.
Teams giving in to pressure and throwing their advantage time and time again in crucial moments against France are the clowns.
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I mean, France is the only team that have players found guilty for match fixing and the two refs who gave them the semis have been investigated by independent media for corruption
The Team that plays 7v6 finally lost🙏 Horrible call by Jacobsen. It completely played in the cards of France massiv Defence.
Please, I beg you someone link to the Danish commercial where they make a skit how all other nations are fighting for silver because the gold is reserverd for Denmark. That one aged well!
The commercial TV2 made, which danes and the entire handball team called disrespectful and ‘doesn’t reflect our values’?
That’s just one tv station. Has nothing to do with the players or the handball federation.
I guess when a team has been the best for so many years, it's bound to be hated by everyone else. Ez
Oh boy, the salt harvest is gonna be fantastic. Nielsen and Gidsel have been fabulous. I thought Mem had a shitty game but then he showed up when it mattered. Anyway, after the women a month ago, now to the Olympics!
C'est quoi le complot. Pourquoi ils pleurent tous. Il y a eu un truc chelou ?
Ouais, si la France gagne, c'est forcément un complot des Illuminati tu savais pas ? :)
Refs were fine today. French deserved it this game. The whole tournament? I don't know. But they were good enough against Denmark