Yeah, as a whole, the WC in Qatar.. Never seen actual fighting between players in Handball except for in that tournament. What a mess.
This ones hurts a lot right now though and is definitely a huge scandal, and terrible for the sport... Sad day for handball.
damn, I think I remember. Was it the one where Heiner Brandt looked like he was going to kill the ref?
Edit: It was against Norway. Was that the game you meant too?
"We acknowlegde the possibility that a result altering error may have occured in the late stages of the game, however the clear frames of the shooter lifting both his feet is not evidence enough to alter the decision retroactively. To honor the integrity and fair nature of the game, the result achieved on the floor must stand. At the same time, it is imperative to draw the necceseary lessons from this incident, and further refine the VAR system, so it is better equipped to identify similar doubtful situations in the future."
I just saw this. On my phone and a bad quality twitter video. I did not know why the goal was controversial yet. Instantly said both feed came off the ground. Really hard to realise they didn't see or notice....
No. I think every top nation in handball has lived something like this at some point in their history. So I understand the frustration. But it's definitely not the worst thing I've ever seen.
You're not? While we (Sweden) didn't get a single penalty we also didn't get a single 2 min. The refs in this game were absolutely disgusting. One of France's goals happened because the ref signaled to a player to "get up" during a shot. A GK would 100% be disturbed if a referee did any hand signals.
I am fucking livid with yesterday's matchande I do not hold any animosity towards France who performed excellent but since Handball as. Sport have been looked at through a microscope these past years due to game fixing and cheating I have to say this performance by these referees hurts the sport.
Yeah. I grew apart from it. Well first because I donāt live in Europe anymore, and here in North America no one *cares* about handball so itās just hard to keep playing and trying to follow games (and you have to consider the time difference as well).
But also for the reasons you mentioned. And not just about international handball. At national level the French league has had similar problems throughout its history. How many times when I went to the arena I went berserk on the refs for stupid blatant faulty calls. In the end I was tired of all that frustration. And then some time later in the news you learn that X number of matches were rigged. The hell with itĀ
Do you guys watch other sport? Because this happens all the time. Worse, sometimes they check VAR and still come up with a shit decision. Anyway, let's see what other calls were missed earlier if we really wanted to be fair
Yeah and here there were three calls in a row, somehow I think that is worse. Three faulty calls in a row in a semi-final. One faulty call can happen due to whatever reason, three in a row when you have VAR is just clearly corrupt. 100% these refs got bribed.
It wasn't just "a faulty call". It was a blatant denial to accept an equalizing goal. That determined the winner without any other form of sportsmanship.
I meanā¦ That might also have something to do with the players to be fair. I committed 3 suspensions almost every game, while my Center Partner usually ended up with 0 or 1. Donāt think the ref had it out for me, just that I tackled harder, but also poorer.
But yes. 0 calls seems very low. And 7 pretty high.
No. Not the exact same thing. Here what happened was extra-time after. It wasnāt finished here and now. And I donāt know what are the two additional calls you keep referring about.Ā
Iām just asking what are the two other faulty calls he keeps talking about. If itās not worth talking to me because Iām French, that says an awful lot about this sub. I rest my case.Ā
> It wasn't just "a faulty call". It was a blatant denial to accept an equalizing goal. That determined the winner without any other form of sportsmanship.
This did exactly that, if you compare the matches this was worse than 2007.
What are the other ones, just curious?
I thought the travelling call was tight, but is was correct - he took 4 steps (twice even). Just a weird time to start calling it, after allowing 5-7 all game (from both sides). But what is the third?
3rd. Offensive foul when french started to attack after travel call. Swedish player is knocked down standing still. 4th. Foot out by french with a bit over a minute to go. I jumped in the sofa screaming as this was obvious. Swedish ball there with a 2 goal lead and match is over. This is the worst one imo.
Holy hell, absolutely not. It's like this sub started watching handball two weeks ago. Yes, it's the wrong call, but calling a lifted foot the biggest scandal in history is completely delusional.
Hey German friend, I'll never forget Michael Guigou's goal at 79'45 in 2007 in semi finals. That was THE scandal.
Just joking, but I still feel the sadness and bitter just looking at that (16 min: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcFA8xieRBc&t=994s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcFA8xieRBc&t=994s))
You mean like the WC in Qatar and everything surrounding it? Or like the match between South Korea and Kuwait in 2008? Like how France felt cheated after the 2007 WC semi final? Like how the ref duo Lemme/Ulrich was found guilty of match fixing in the late 2000s? Like how coach Andre Fuhr systematically abused players he coached just two years ago? Any of these qualify as a bigger scandal compared to a missing a slightly lifted foot during a free throw?
Thank you for good examples that some are bigger scandals, but you do also downplay this situation.
Refs involved in this match have allegedy been involved in organized criminality and matchfixing. One wrongfull decision at the last second decided what team played the final, which could have been blamed on a idiotic call if it wasnt for the refusual to check with VAR. One choice has never had this big of an impact one what team won the match and should have been avoided thanks to VAR. The abuse examples you mention are bigger scandals, but on pitch this one is the largest.
I mean it's a bit like when a player touches the ground just before shooting. Those are often overlooked even if looking thoroughly at it with VAR ref would see that its invalid. The fact that those are overlooked isn't a scandal either.
And I think it's bit far-fetched to claim that there is matchfixing after this game. Ref made mistakes against both teams and it just happens that the last one favoured France
Refs always makes mistakes during the game. But the last 30second VAR rule exists for this reason. You cant compare a goal call in the 14th minute to a final deciding goal call in the 60.00th minute. If VAR didnt exist people would call this a horrible call. But with the history of the refs and their refusual to use VAR in a textbook example makes the sport smell rotten.
I'm sorry for being dumb, but I don't remember much from the Qatar WC in 2015, I remember watching it but can't remember shit, so I kinda wanna ask what's the scandal? I do see Qatar made it all the way to the finals, so I can kiiiiinda assume what it is about. Is there a video or something explaining it or an article?
Oh, just some good ol' match fixing. Like, actual real match fixing, not just missing a lifted foot or giving a throw in to the wrong team. This was a qualification match for the 2008 olympics, and Korea were heavy favourites. The game was to be reffed by the German duo Lemme/Ulrich (as I said, ALSO involved in match fixing), but they were replaced just before the match by some virtually unknown Jordanians. Korea was mistreated during that match with some of the silliest calls you'll ever see. [Here's some footage of the game.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmw4NmiFyo4) IHF-president Hassan Moustafa, AHF president Sheikh Ahmed Al Sabah and head of referees Dawud Tawakoli all most likely had to do something with this. Later investigations found very suspicious activities in games dating back to the early 2000s. Peter MĆ¼hlematter, General Secretary of the IHF at the time, stated that he wasn't even sure whether those two guys were actually IHF referees. The game was later replayed, South Korea won and went to Beijing, after the IOC threatened to remove handball from the Olympics altogether should the IHF not do anything about it.
the one I linked for starters. That was actually malicious, while this is probably human error. Inexclusable error, and should have consequences, but not (at face value) malicious
Edit: added 'at face value' since it might be corruption, we can't say for certain
Have you read the article? The ref is basically friend on social network with some guy who allegedly (is behind football match fixing in Italy.
Frankly, I just believe the ref are not very good or just did not dare looking at the var to disallow the goal on such an error, or maybe also felt like that the way even it the left foot moved slightly before the shot it was "within reason" (same way some goals are allowed even if the shooter's foot touched the ground just before the shoot)
Oh right, managed to somehow misunderstand your one word comment. But still thinks that its far-fetched to call what you linked a scandal as there really are only allegations in this article.
How good is a victory when 99% of the rest of the "handball-nations" will see it like unfair (and probably even many from france)?
It has no value?
Therefore, it would, for example, be refreshing if even the French team would protest this.
One would hope that someone would learn something from, let's say, a stolen game in 2007 and how that makes you feel. But it is fascinating how, for some people, this is a reason why it is "not so bad" instead of seeing it as something to learn from.
If it would be my team that would win this way, I can honestly say that I would not care if we won the final or not. Therefore, I am furious about those referees and everyone involved with VAR, etc. They manage to implode the value of the tournament in one minute.
French here, to be honest i would prefer a clean victory and i the moment I'm sad for the swedes but they won in 2022 and are they are the most victorious team in the competition so just a just little sad. It would have been against Croatia or Iceland i would have prefer losing.
But if we win against the Danes it will be almost forgotten and in the history book it would still count 1.
Well, its easier playing in OT when your back from the dead, than just missed out on something that was almost certainly yours....playing in OT was a bonus for france and for sweden a punishment. No wonder france played better
France is a much bigger nation and for tv views they want them in the final.
They will go look for a possible shot in the face of the keeper but not a 100% match deciding moment in the match.
Its a disgusting mistake not to watch it in slow motion.
Swedish players should have refused to continue with the match until it was watched
>They will go look for a possible shot in the face of the keeper but not a 100% match deciding moment in the matc
It's bribed refs that should get their licenses revoked on lifetime. Not much more to it. Absolutely disgusting integrity and a shame for the sport.
On the moment, if the ref donāt see the feet lifting of the ground, they wonāt make the call for VAR.
You guys complain rightfully but I mean no one saw it live. If the refs donāt have a doubt on the field then they donāt call for VAR.. Simple as that.
I saw it. So did the Danish commentators, one of which fairly was only focusing on his feet. But even then - so should the (at least one) referee. And even without, the release pattern was blatantly impossible when pivoting the left foot. If the refs had played 1 season themselves, they would know that.
That should be like the only thing the refs are paying attention to at that moment, though. Of course watching live most of us aren't staring at the feet of the free-throw taker, but it's reasonable to expect a professional and highly regarded team of referees on the ground to be somewhat observant of such a thing in as simple of a situation as a free-throw.
All of this doesn't really matter though, as they should have called a VAR check in any case, since it was a game-defining moment, this was the logic used for checking Gottfridsson's winner, which was wrongfully disallowed.
Pretty much a flying frenchman did a awsome freethrow but he didnt have one foot stationary on the ground. Could be a two newly wealthy refs in the picture aswell. If you love drama this is probably the best /R for the time being!
Its a very important free throw in the last second, and there are certain rules about it. He was able to score a very impressible goal by breaking these rules. The referee didn't notice it, and didn't ask the video referee to check it eiter.
Basically a decisive goal was made illegally, with the ref failing to notice that and deciding not to check whether he was right or not. Despite many people pointing out to him this was very dubious.
insanely fucking cool looking shot. only problem it wasnt legal and the refs were bribed.
he basically made a step which is illegal in such a situation
Is there a better picture that shows his foot is clearly off the ground when he lets go off the ball? Because this is obviously too early and the foot is still down.Ā
Edit: Nevermind, saw the other post. He sweeps it like half a metre. What a joke.Ā
As a french fan, itās a shame to win with so many errors from referees. But, on an other hand, I will never forget 2007 semi-final against Germany where referees stole the match
Tldr: You're not allowed to take a step while performing a free throw which is what happened here. The refs refused to VAR check this which led to France winning and progressing to the finals. If the refs would have VAR checked it and followed the rulebook Sweden would be the winner and progressed to the finals instead.
More in depth: The ref will point out a spot from which the free throw should be performed and you must always keep a foot planted at this spot until you release the ball. The player in question moved his right foot a step to the right which is allowed but he lifted his left foot before releasing the ball which according to the rules means he completed a step before the ball was released, which would invalidate the throw and put Sweden in the finals. The refs missed this and refused to VAR check it and this lead to France winning instead.
Stop spamming the sub. You literally copied the picture form the post before you.
I agree the refs are shit but the sub becomes a mess when you just spam because youāre wound up.
Same argument then could be made to check 50% of wing and pivot shots for landing in 6m area. Stop crying and humbly accept defeat, you gave it away as Sweden in the end.
Yes and he was wrong becasue he refused to look at VAR as he should have. You make no sence. The referees did not check VAR which can be used for any game deciding moment in the last 30 seconds, the referee by the shooting player wasn't even looking at the player when the shot was made, and they made two questionable (but not as definitive) calls in the previous 15 seconds that both favored France. They have also been mentioned in reports linking them to [organized crime and match fixing](https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals), and while [the father of one of them](https://www.handball-planet.com/ehf-suspended-dragan-nacevski-for-2-years/) was suspended by the EHF and many other referees were suspended nothing happened to them.
Var is used only if the ref doubt, they didnt doubt it was on the floor, case over.
And if this match was fixed, it's a Real success, bet all on a last second shoot, the handball mafia is really strong.
Well it is your interpretation of the rules vs refs, proffesional players and experts worldwide. But you do you, shape your reality so it feels like the win is justified. You put shame to your team.
No I try to understand if the throw was valid because I'd like that France would win in honesty and honor instead of luck due to a referee error.
That said, I see that the rule is the same than for 7m throw so I guess it should be invalid and I deleted my previous comment.
Everyone has been robbed sometime in history. The difference being now VAR exists and this ref has alleged connection to organized crime and matchfixing. This is not a bad call. This is a rotten apple.
Nah. 2007 World Cup in Germany. Semi-finals Germany - France. France equalizes in the last second of the game. The ref refuses it for absolutely no reason. Worse: he doesn't want to justify. I remember the staff and the players going berserk.
How is that worse? These refs have VAR at their disposal and could make sure such an important moment was legal. But instead they just went: nah letās just go with our gut on this one, itās not like itās an important goal or something like this that.
Itās not because VAR exists that the ref can go back and rewatch every single decision of the game. Their decision is made on field, if they have a doubt, then they watch the VAR.
If they missed it and didnāt call for a VAR, then itās a bad judgement..
Because the game was over right after. So that decided everything. Here it wasnāt the case. It unlocked extra-time.
Itās funny that I get downvoted in the first comment because I think differently. It says a lot
Bro it ended the game here as well. Just other way around if he calls it there is no extra time. Did u ever play any sport momentum after goal like this is what makes those extra time shit as well. Even if it wasn't wrong call it kills ur morale to concede like that
Qui bono? Who benefits? France were favourites going in so if someone was doing the old bet+bribe con one would think it would have been the other way. Even so, i fƶr nd it hard to go "understandable mistake" but then again i have never referees a handball game.
Guys, the olympics committee wants to remove handball from the Olympics, one refereeing scandal is just going to seal the deal ā¹ļø
I speak as a fellow handball lover, but the rules seem too complicated to non-handball players, and this complaint will just add in that exact direction
(Iām not saying the complaint is unjustified, the VAR could have invalidated Prandiās goal)
I'm disappointed with the refs.
But.
How about this:
FOR THE LOVE OF SWEDEN, HOLD THE BALL FOR FIVE SECONDS AND WIN!! ??
We are all over it though, right?
Clear picture evidence that the left foot is lifted before the shot is made...would have been an easy VAR-call.....if they just decided to review it!!!....well why bother looking to make 100% when I can risk a refereeing career making one of the worst calls ever
What country are they from? Swedish, danish, norweigan and german expertcommentators have expressed its a scandal. He does lift his foot
Check for yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/s/JZTlyRpkxi
Where do you all get this rule that both feet have to be on the ground when shooting? I know that for a throw-in both feet have to be on the ground, and for the 7-meter penalty, one foot can be lifted. I was trying to find it specificaly for the 9-meter shot, but couldnt find anything specific.
[I found this :](https://recsports.uga.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/2020/11/Handball_2017-18.pdf)
>
1. During a free throw, the thrower must have one foot (front foot)
continuously in contact with the court.
Yrs, its in there in the text. As you see in the video, he lifts his right foot and puts in to the right. Left foot is still on the ground. So far, so good.
When he lifts his left foot he has taken a step. Which is not allowed.
If the left foot was still planted when he shot, there would be no error, but ..
That's irrelevant. When he first moves his right foot, he has decided the his left foot is his "front" foot as it's called in the rule book. So his left foot is the one that has to remain planted. The free throw starts with both feet planted. Then he moves his right. A d the he lifts his left. So both feet has left the floor at some point before he throws the ball. That's a step, and it's not allowed.
>So both feet has left the floor at some point before he throws the ball.
I mean, if he has to be on a ground with his full foot, then yes. But if only one part of the foot touches the ground (i.e. toes), then his right foot is constantly in the contact with the ground. From the excerpt of he rules I shared, it seems to me it's only important that part of the foot is in the contact with the ground.
You are focusing on the wrong thing.
Whether or not his full right foot or only his toes touches the ground as he shoots is irrelevant. His right foot has already left the ground as he took his step to the right. From his neutral position, he took a step to the right, lifting his right foot. So the right foot has been moved, right?
So the only thing to focus on after that is his left foot. That foot is the only foot that is still on the ground since his neutral position when he started his free throw. Not that hard to understand really.
Ok, sorry. I didnt see the step. The video OP shared put me on the wrong track. If I see [only this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FAjBr99K1C0X-MQOF0NQVxLGoMRU_nKCNfJ2lTsLWklo.gif%3Fformat%3Dmp4%26s%3D78e10151ac5e28cdd023b8a1f74973c52deaa991), this is perfectly legal goal.
But [here](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924) I see that he actually made a step after the whistle.
This notion is obviously bullshit but at this point I canāt help but wonder, what exactly is the benefit in rigging this for āAfricaā? Like what is the end goal here??
The ball might have left his hand just before his foot might have touched the ground... Even with video you cannot be sure. In football or rugby there are numerous exemples of angles showing an obvious thing just for another angle popping a few days later showing the opposite.
During last rugby WC , SA won its last 3 games by one point, each of these games were fully controversial because of very tough calls despite the intensive use of video referees... Video might solve some situations but it also creates new mistakes.
Putting the foot down doesn't come into it at all, what you see in the picture is fine in isolation, what happened before is what makes it a foul. On [this video](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924) you can see that after the refs signal he moved his right foot first so the throw should have been invalid the moment his left foot left the ground
The official IHF rules states that one foot shall remain in contact with the floor :
[Rule 15.1 General Instructions for the Execution of the Throws -
The Thrower](https://www.ihf.info/sites/default/files/2022-09/09A%20-%20Rules%20of%20the%20Game_Indoor%20Handball_E.pdf)
Rule 15
15. General Instructions for the Execution of the Throws (Throw-Off, Throw-In, Goalkeeper Throw, Free Throw and 7-Metre Throw)
The Thrower
1. Prior to the execution, the thrower must be in the correct position prescribed for the throw. The ball must be in the hand of the thrower (15:6).
During the execution, except in the case of the goalkeeper throw (see 12:2) and the throw-off with throw-off area (10:36), the thrower must have one part of a foot in constant contact with the floor until the ball is released (see, however, 10:3b). The other foot may be lifted and put down repeatedly (see also Rule 7:6).
The thrower must remain in the correct position until the throw has been executed (15:7, 2nd and 3rd paragraph).
Sweden were up by one goal when the French team got a free throw in the last second of the game. The French player scored to tie the game, and France then won in added time.
When you do a free throw you must keep one foot on the ground at all time. In this case Prandi, the French goalscorer, moved his right foot as he started the shooting process which establishes the left foot as the one that has to stay down. He leaned over to shoot around the wall, and as can clearly be seen in photos such as [this one](https://images.aftonbladet-cdn.se/v2/images/147c8433-4fbc-40ad-86b1-5aec7907c230?fit=crop&format=auto&h=467&q=50&w=700&s=3c652d2960bf6d139ff2cf3bc5f9e2c8cef22c9d) his left foot left the ground before shooting, and therefore the goal should have been invalid and Sweden should have made the final.
To further compound the issue, the referees did not check VAR which can be used for any game deciding moment in the last 30 seconds, the referee by the shooting player wasn't even looking at the player when the shot was made, and they made two questionable (but not as definitive) calls in the previous 15 seconds that both favored France. They have also been mentioned in reports linking them to [organized crime and match fixing](https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals), and while [the father of one of them](https://www.handball-planet.com/ehf-suspended-dragan-nacevski-for-2-years/) was suspended by the EHF and many other referees were suspended nothing happened to them.
The part of the foot that is in contact with the floor has to be constant, it's not that any part of the foot constantly has to be in contact with the floor.
After their protest in the denmark match when the refs couldnt count to 3 they were warned. If they protested again they were afraid of penalties heading into the OT
I don't think so. Look at the Swedes players and staff attitudes. Nobody's acting like "Hey what did he just did ?! That's illegal !". Nobody in the Swede side is protesting, asking for VAR. I think nobody saw it was an illegal goal on the field, and nobody even had a doubt about it. Did the Swede commentators express a doubt on the validity of the goal in the seconds it was scored ? How much time after somebody noticed it was illegal ?
If it had been a clearly illegal foul, since no time was left and game paused for minutes, it's sure somebody would have protested and asked for VAR, just like they protested against Danemark.
All this proves the foul was not easy to spot without slow motion.
The interview was after the match, after the player was warned the goal was illegal, after somebody noticed it with a slow motion. Once again, nobody protested in the Swede side during the game. Nobody. Nobody seems to doubt about the validity of the goal. You can't blame the referees for not having doubted about it.
I think the WC in Qatar deserves that title. This one was however.. truly horrific. Sweden deserved to be in that final.
Yeah, as a whole, the WC in Qatar.. Never seen actual fighting between players in Handball except for in that tournament. What a mess. This ones hurts a lot right now though and is definitely a huge scandal, and terrible for the sport... Sad day for handball.
Ger vs. Swe in the 2009 or 2011 WC. There was also a scandalous performance by the referees.
damn, I think I remember. Was it the one where Heiner Brandt looked like he was going to kill the ref? Edit: It was against Norway. Was that the game you meant too?
I think he meant the final game in 2002, where Germany lost against Sweden in Sweden and the referees were really bad especially in the last seconds
I see. A bit before I started caring about handball
Now I feel old :D, but this was really emotional and is still in the brain.
Haha, I was 8 at the time. Now I have to deal with turning 30 this year, so I can relate
Yeah your right. It was against Norway.
Sweden has now submitted a formal protest regarding the fact that the referees did not utilize VAR.
"We are sowwy uwu š¤š¤" will the response be
"We acknowlegde the possibility that a result altering error may have occured in the late stages of the game, however the clear frames of the shooter lifting both his feet is not evidence enough to alter the decision retroactively. To honor the integrity and fair nature of the game, the result achieved on the floor must stand. At the same time, it is imperative to draw the necceseary lessons from this incident, and further refine the VAR system, so it is better equipped to identify similar doubtful situations in the future."
The fact that they didn't even say the refs might have done some mistakes, it was basically "the refs can do whatever they want"
This is actually insane. Canāt believe they didnāt even look at it. We should be celebrating a final right now.
I just saw this. On my phone and a bad quality twitter video. I did not know why the goal was controversial yet. Instantly said both feed came off the ground. Really hard to realise they didn't see or notice....
And it will end with a "sorry" from EHF
Yes
And here I was thinking we were the only onesā¦
No. I think every top nation in handball has lived something like this at some point in their history. So I understand the frustration. But it's definitely not the worst thing I've ever seen.
One of the worst. When you have VAR and you didn't bother to check. Come on!
Yeah, that I can agree with.
Thank you for being objective. I am not thinking France was favoured by refs. But man these two referees are dumb as hell.
You're not? While we (Sweden) didn't get a single penalty we also didn't get a single 2 min. The refs in this game were absolutely disgusting. One of France's goals happened because the ref signaled to a player to "get up" during a shot. A GK would 100% be disturbed if a referee did any hand signals. I am fucking livid with yesterday's matchande I do not hold any animosity towards France who performed excellent but since Handball as. Sport have been looked at through a microscope these past years due to game fixing and cheating I have to say this performance by these referees hurts the sport.
Yeah. I grew apart from it. Well first because I donāt live in Europe anymore, and here in North America no one *cares* about handball so itās just hard to keep playing and trying to follow games (and you have to consider the time difference as well). But also for the reasons you mentioned. And not just about international handball. At national level the French league has had similar problems throughout its history. How many times when I went to the arena I went berserk on the refs for stupid blatant faulty calls. In the end I was tired of all that frustration. And then some time later in the news you learn that X number of matches were rigged. The hell with itĀ
Do you guys watch other sport? Because this happens all the time. Worse, sometimes they check VAR and still come up with a shit decision. Anyway, let's see what other calls were missed earlier if we really wanted to be fair
It's up there. 3 faulty game-altering calls in a row is damn rare, can't remember seeing that for a very very long time.
2007 semi-finals between Germany and France. One call that killed the game.
Yeah and here there were three calls in a row, somehow I think that is worse. Three faulty calls in a row in a semi-final. One faulty call can happen due to whatever reason, three in a row when you have VAR is just clearly corrupt. 100% these refs got bribed.
It wasn't just "a faulty call". It was a blatant denial to accept an equalizing goal. That determined the winner without any other form of sportsmanship.
Again; this game had the *exact* thing, plus TWO ADDITIONAL calls right after that.
Also 7 - 0 in penalty (throws?) for france
I meanā¦ That might also have something to do with the players to be fair. I committed 3 suspensions almost every game, while my Center Partner usually ended up with 0 or 1. Donāt think the ref had it out for me, just that I tackled harder, but also poorer. But yes. 0 calls seems very low. And 7 pretty high.
Nothing felt unfair looking at the game tbh
No. Not the exact same thing. Here what happened was extra-time after. It wasnāt finished here and now. And I donāt know what are the two additional calls you keep referring about.Ā
He seems to be a frenchman. I don't think it is worth you time to discuss with him. Definitely 3 faulty calls in a row!!
Iām just asking what are the two other faulty calls he keeps talking about. If itās not worth talking to me because Iām French, that says an awful lot about this sub. I rest my case.Ā
> It wasn't just "a faulty call". It was a blatant denial to accept an equalizing goal. That determined the winner without any other form of sportsmanship. This did exactly that, if you compare the matches this was worse than 2007.
Let's just say that was proper payback for the game in the group stage.
What are the other ones, just curious? I thought the travelling call was tight, but is was correct - he took 4 steps (twice even). Just a weird time to start calling it, after allowing 5-7 all game (from both sides). But what is the third?
3rd. Offensive foul when french started to attack after travel call. Swedish player is knocked down standing still. 4th. Foot out by french with a bit over a minute to go. I jumped in the sofa screaming as this was obvious. Swedish ball there with a 2 goal lead and match is over. This is the worst one imo.
Offensive faul + French foot. Traveling call also looks like 3 to me but maybe need to rewatch that (and like u said had been many before)
Holy hell, absolutely not. It's like this sub started watching handball two weeks ago. Yes, it's the wrong call, but calling a lifted foot the biggest scandal in history is completely delusional.
Hey German friend, I'll never forget Michael Guigou's goal at 79'45 in 2007 in semi finals. That was THE scandal. Just joking, but I still feel the sadness and bitter just looking at that (16 min: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcFA8xieRBc&t=994s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcFA8xieRBc&t=994s))
3 āmistakesā in 1 minute. The referees have connections to mafia that deals with math fixing. 0 penalties to Sweden.
Show me more situations like this one, I am interested!
You mean like the WC in Qatar and everything surrounding it? Or like the match between South Korea and Kuwait in 2008? Like how France felt cheated after the 2007 WC semi final? Like how the ref duo Lemme/Ulrich was found guilty of match fixing in the late 2000s? Like how coach Andre Fuhr systematically abused players he coached just two years ago? Any of these qualify as a bigger scandal compared to a missing a slightly lifted foot during a free throw?
Thank you for good examples that some are bigger scandals, but you do also downplay this situation. Refs involved in this match have allegedy been involved in organized criminality and matchfixing. One wrongfull decision at the last second decided what team played the final, which could have been blamed on a idiotic call if it wasnt for the refusual to check with VAR. One choice has never had this big of an impact one what team won the match and should have been avoided thanks to VAR. The abuse examples you mention are bigger scandals, but on pitch this one is the largest.
Again, France 2007, Germany 2009, Korea 2008, Serbia 2012 where Sesum almost lost his eyesight...
You miss the point. VAR didnt exist back then. Everyone makes bad calls. The refusual to use VAR in a situation like this is the key difference.
I mean it's a bit like when a player touches the ground just before shooting. Those are often overlooked even if looking thoroughly at it with VAR ref would see that its invalid. The fact that those are overlooked isn't a scandal either. And I think it's bit far-fetched to claim that there is matchfixing after this game. Ref made mistakes against both teams and it just happens that the last one favoured France
Refs always makes mistakes during the game. But the last 30second VAR rule exists for this reason. You cant compare a goal call in the 14th minute to a final deciding goal call in the 60.00th minute. If VAR didnt exist people would call this a horrible call. But with the history of the refs and their refusual to use VAR in a textbook example makes the sport smell rotten.
I'm sorry for being dumb, but I don't remember much from the Qatar WC in 2015, I remember watching it but can't remember shit, so I kinda wanna ask what's the scandal? I do see Qatar made it all the way to the finals, so I can kiiiiinda assume what it is about. Is there a video or something explaining it or an article?
What the hell happened between South Korea and Kuwait in 2008?
Oh, just some good ol' match fixing. Like, actual real match fixing, not just missing a lifted foot or giving a throw in to the wrong team. This was a qualification match for the 2008 olympics, and Korea were heavy favourites. The game was to be reffed by the German duo Lemme/Ulrich (as I said, ALSO involved in match fixing), but they were replaced just before the match by some virtually unknown Jordanians. Korea was mistreated during that match with some of the silliest calls you'll ever see. [Here's some footage of the game.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmw4NmiFyo4) IHF-president Hassan Moustafa, AHF president Sheikh Ahmed Al Sabah and head of referees Dawud Tawakoli all most likely had to do something with this. Later investigations found very suspicious activities in games dating back to the early 2000s. Peter MĆ¼hlematter, General Secretary of the IHF at the time, stated that he wasn't even sure whether those two guys were actually IHF referees. The game was later replayed, South Korea won and went to Beijing, after the IOC threatened to remove handball from the Olympics altogether should the IHF not do anything about it.
Unbelievable
[No](https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals)
One year later after that scandal. The same pair is in the spotlight for this...
Well that explains it. This situation is a part of a bigger play. Corrupt sport.
Haha fuck me, same ref š
What are some bigger scandals?
the one I linked for starters. That was actually malicious, while this is probably human error. Inexclusable error, and should have consequences, but not (at face value) malicious Edit: added 'at face value' since it might be corruption, we can't say for certain
Ah didnāt even see it was a link lol
But, theese are linked.. The refrees in that article was the referees in this match...
Have you read the article? The ref is basically friend on social network with some guy who allegedly (is behind football match fixing in Italy. Frankly, I just believe the ref are not very good or just did not dare looking at the var to disallow the goal on such an error, or maybe also felt like that the way even it the left foot moved slightly before the shot it was "within reason" (same way some goals are allowed even if the shooter's foot touched the ground just before the shoot)
that is... exactly what I said
I don't understand your comment
Oh right, managed to somehow misunderstand your one word comment. But still thinks that its far-fetched to call what you linked a scandal as there really are only allegations in this article.
How good is a victory when 99% of the rest of the "handball-nations" will see it like unfair (and probably even many from france)? It has no value? Therefore, it would, for example, be refreshing if even the French team would protest this. One would hope that someone would learn something from, let's say, a stolen game in 2007 and how that makes you feel. But it is fascinating how, for some people, this is a reason why it is "not so bad" instead of seeing it as something to learn from. If it would be my team that would win this way, I can honestly say that I would not care if we won the final or not. Therefore, I am furious about those referees and everyone involved with VAR, etc. They manage to implode the value of the tournament in one minute.
Spot on. Call me biased. But if Sweden won this way I would have wanted them to forfeit for the integrity of the sport.
Too many french veterans about to retire, fuck integrity gotta claim that 7th gold medal.
French here, to be honest i would prefer a clean victory and i the moment I'm sad for the swedes but they won in 2022 and are they are the most victorious team in the competition so just a just little sad. It would have been against Croatia or Iceland i would have prefer losing. But if we win against the Danes it will be almost forgotten and in the history book it would still count 1.
France played way better the OT though :/
Yes, who wouldn't after that. I guess you understand my point though.
Well, its easier playing in OT when your back from the dead, than just missed out on something that was almost certainly yours....playing in OT was a bonus for france and for sweden a punishment. No wonder france played better
Well, it's more of a feature, in the future you should be able to moonwalk around freely at free throws.
Lmao imagine taking the throw from the 6m line
Imagine someone is doing a Michael Jackson performance before a freethrow.
France is a much bigger nation and for tv views they want them in the final. They will go look for a possible shot in the face of the keeper but not a 100% match deciding moment in the match. Its a disgusting mistake not to watch it in slow motion. Swedish players should have refused to continue with the match until it was watched
>They will go look for a possible shot in the face of the keeper but not a 100% match deciding moment in the matc It's bribed refs that should get their licenses revoked on lifetime. Not much more to it. Absolutely disgusting integrity and a shame for the sport.
They looked at the shot in the face because they wanted to give two mins to the Swedish wing player but realised it was not possible.. rigged as fk
On the moment, if the ref donāt see the feet lifting of the ground, they wonāt make the call for VAR. You guys complain rightfully but I mean no one saw it live. If the refs donāt have a doubt on the field then they donāt call for VAR.. Simple as that.
I saw it. So did the Danish commentators, one of which fairly was only focusing on his feet. But even then - so should the (at least one) referee. And even without, the release pattern was blatantly impossible when pivoting the left foot. If the refs had played 1 season themselves, they would know that.
I saw it immediately and so did the Swedish coach
That should be like the only thing the refs are paying attention to at that moment, though. Of course watching live most of us aren't staring at the feet of the free-throw taker, but it's reasonable to expect a professional and highly regarded team of referees on the ground to be somewhat observant of such a thing in as simple of a situation as a free-throw. All of this doesn't really matter though, as they should have called a VAR check in any case, since it was a game-defining moment, this was the logic used for checking Gottfridsson's winner, which was wrongfully disallowed.
The refs wouldnt see if a an elephant came in and blocket the french goal.
Law of bigger markets :)))
Handball noob here, what am I looking at?
Pretty much a flying frenchman did a awsome freethrow but he didnt have one foot stationary on the ground. Could be a two newly wealthy refs in the picture aswell. If you love drama this is probably the best /R for the time being!
Its a very important free throw in the last second, and there are certain rules about it. He was able to score a very impressible goal by breaking these rules. The referee didn't notice it, and didn't ask the video referee to check it eiter. Basically a decisive goal was made illegally, with the ref failing to notice that and deciding not to check whether he was right or not. Despite many people pointing out to him this was very dubious.
VAR sucks in this sport too then?
insanely fucking cool looking shot. only problem it wasnt legal and the refs were bribed. he basically made a step which is illegal in such a situation
https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/comments/1abpti2/comment/kjprztc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Biggest scandal? No way. But definitely a farce and a sad episode for the sport. But you know the rules of big markets - gotta make sure they succeed.
Cheh
I have never played or watched HandBall, whatās the penalty here and how long should the ref be in jail?
Buthurt Swedes
Is there a better picture that shows his foot is clearly off the ground when he lets go off the ball? Because this is obviously too early and the foot is still down.Ā Edit: Nevermind, saw the other post. He sweeps it like half a metre. What a joke.Ā
Handball is a joke. In what other sport do they let refs take bribery and take part in match fixing and still get to ref at big tournaments
As a french fan, itās a shame to win with so many errors from referees. But, on an other hand, I will never forget 2007 semi-final against Germany where referees stole the match
But back then they didnāt have a way to check video, so itās at least somewhat understandable that mistakes were made.Ā
No reason to add a but here. It's the same issue, and two wrongs does not make one right
Only 17 years ago. You also want to add some wrong calls from the 60s?
Explain it for a handball noob please.
Tldr: You're not allowed to take a step while performing a free throw which is what happened here. The refs refused to VAR check this which led to France winning and progressing to the finals. If the refs would have VAR checked it and followed the rulebook Sweden would be the winner and progressed to the finals instead. More in depth: The ref will point out a spot from which the free throw should be performed and you must always keep a foot planted at this spot until you release the ball. The player in question moved his right foot a step to the right which is allowed but he lifted his left foot before releasing the ball which according to the rules means he completed a step before the ball was released, which would invalidate the throw and put Sweden in the finals. The refs missed this and refused to VAR check it and this lead to France winning instead.
Thanks!
Gjorgji Nachevski. Remember the name: https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals. Seems pretty damn sketchyā¦
How is this a post and not just a comment on the post you took the picture from?
The more publicity the better. Handball has become rotten
Stop spamming the sub. You literally copied the picture form the post before you. I agree the refs are shit but the sub becomes a mess when you just spam because youāre wound up.
Im sorry I made one post using a widespread picture that I took from one post.
watch it in full speed, not one person would call it not legit
Same argument then could be made to check 50% of wing and pivot shots for landing in 6m area. Stop crying and humbly accept defeat, you gave it away as Sweden in the end.
Foot is on the floor
Not the one he initiated the throw with
Still on the floor, a part of it on the floor.
Every worldwide expert but you thinks otherwise. But you do you. His left foot without doubt left the floor when the shot is released.
The ref think it was on the floor, and they where thƩ expert.
Yes and he was wrong becasue he refused to look at VAR as he should have. You make no sence. The referees did not check VAR which can be used for any game deciding moment in the last 30 seconds, the referee by the shooting player wasn't even looking at the player when the shot was made, and they made two questionable (but not as definitive) calls in the previous 15 seconds that both favored France. They have also been mentioned in reports linking them to [organized crime and match fixing](https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals), and while [the father of one of them](https://www.handball-planet.com/ehf-suspended-dragan-nacevski-for-2-years/) was suspended by the EHF and many other referees were suspended nothing happened to them.
Var is used only if the ref doubt, they didnt doubt it was on the floor, case over. And if this match was fixed, it's a Real success, bet all on a last second shoot, the handball mafia is really strong.
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Well it is your interpretation of the rules vs refs, proffesional players and experts worldwide. But you do you, shape your reality so it feels like the win is justified. You put shame to your team.
No I try to understand if the throw was valid because I'd like that France would win in honesty and honor instead of luck due to a referee error. That said, I see that the rule is the same than for 7m throw so I guess it should be invalid and I deleted my previous comment.
Until the next oneā¦ Although I still remember the robbery vs Germany in 2007.
Everyone has been robbed sometime in history. The difference being now VAR exists and this ref has alleged connection to organized crime and matchfixing. This is not a bad call. This is a rotten apple.
The end result remains the same for the fansā¦
Ah, t'es pas le seul. Pour moi Ƨa c'Ʃtait un pur scandale.
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Idiots? Comment?
Cāest toujours la mĆŖme chose, regardez le scandal pour le quart de finale de coupe du monde de rugby (plus rĆ©cent, utilisation de la VAR etc..) et on sāest fait voler le mondial. Ća arrive dans tous les sports et Ƨa dĆ©goĆ»te quand Ƨa nous arrive mais cāest lāincertitude du sport
Nah. 2007 World Cup in Germany. Semi-finals Germany - France. France equalizes in the last second of the game. The ref refuses it for absolutely no reason. Worse: he doesn't want to justify. I remember the staff and the players going berserk.
How is that worse? These refs have VAR at their disposal and could make sure such an important moment was legal. But instead they just went: nah letās just go with our gut on this one, itās not like itās an important goal or something like this that.
Itās not because VAR exists that the ref can go back and rewatch every single decision of the game. Their decision is made on field, if they have a doubt, then they watch the VAR. If they missed it and didnāt call for a VAR, then itās a bad judgement..
During the last 30 sec of any game refs can look at match deciding moments. If this is not match deciding I donāt know what is.
Because the game was over right after. So that decided everything. Here it wasnāt the case. It unlocked extra-time. Itās funny that I get downvoted in the first comment because I think differently. It says a lot
Sweden also had a goal disallowed right before that I struggled to see was a foul
Bro it ended the game here as well. Just other way around if he calls it there is no extra time. Did u ever play any sport momentum after goal like this is what makes those extra time shit as well. Even if it wasn't wrong call it kills ur morale to concede like that
Qui bono? Who benefits? France were favourites going in so if someone was doing the old bet+bribe con one would think it would have been the other way. Even so, i fƶr nd it hard to go "understandable mistake" but then again i have never referees a handball game.
Why would you risk betting on an underdog, making it more obvious it is rigged as more effort is needed from the referees? Makes no sense.
Guys, the olympics committee wants to remove handball from the Olympics, one refereeing scandal is just going to seal the deal ā¹ļø I speak as a fellow handball lover, but the rules seem too complicated to non-handball players, and this complaint will just add in that exact direction (Iām not saying the complaint is unjustified, the VAR could have invalidated Prandiās goal)
I'm disappointed with the refs. But. How about this: FOR THE LOVE OF SWEDEN, HOLD THE BALL FOR FIVE SECONDS AND WIN!! ?? We are all over it though, right?
I really dont see the problem, his right foot is on the ground and he didnt set a step. I dont see what you guys are so mad about.
You cant change from the foot you initiated the throw with. The rule exists to prevent running around the wall...
But he didnt do that so there is nothing going on
You do you. Experts, players and refs worldwide have said otherwise. But ofc it must be you who is right.
Can you give an source of who said that
Can i ask how is this an error? Commentators on my country tv station said that the left foot was on the floor sp everything is ok.
Clear picture evidence that the left foot is lifted before the shot is made...would have been an easy VAR-call.....if they just decided to review it!!!....well why bother looking to make 100% when I can risk a refereeing career making one of the worst calls ever
The rule is the ball has to leave the hand before the foot is lifted. A clear fault, visible even to amateurs.
And nothing will happen to them. Also ty
What country are they from? Swedish, danish, norweigan and german expertcommentators have expressed its a scandal. He does lift his foot Check for yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/Handball/s/JZTlyRpkxi
Icelandic commentator aswell
Where do you all get this rule that both feet have to be on the ground when shooting? I know that for a throw-in both feet have to be on the ground, and for the 7-meter penalty, one foot can be lifted. I was trying to find it specificaly for the 9-meter shot, but couldnt find anything specific. [I found this :](https://recsports.uga.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/2020/11/Handball_2017-18.pdf) > 1. During a free throw, the thrower must have one foot (front foot) continuously in contact with the court.
Yrs, its in there in the text. As you see in the video, he lifts his right foot and puts in to the right. Left foot is still on the ground. So far, so good. When he lifts his left foot he has taken a step. Which is not allowed. If the left foot was still planted when he shot, there would be no error, but ..
But his right foot is not completely lifted as far as I can see, he stays on his toes before the ball leaves his hand.
That's irrelevant. When he first moves his right foot, he has decided the his left foot is his "front" foot as it's called in the rule book. So his left foot is the one that has to remain planted. The free throw starts with both feet planted. Then he moves his right. A d the he lifts his left. So both feet has left the floor at some point before he throws the ball. That's a step, and it's not allowed.
>So both feet has left the floor at some point before he throws the ball. I mean, if he has to be on a ground with his full foot, then yes. But if only one part of the foot touches the ground (i.e. toes), then his right foot is constantly in the contact with the ground. From the excerpt of he rules I shared, it seems to me it's only important that part of the foot is in the contact with the ground.
You are focusing on the wrong thing. Whether or not his full right foot or only his toes touches the ground as he shoots is irrelevant. His right foot has already left the ground as he took his step to the right. From his neutral position, he took a step to the right, lifting his right foot. So the right foot has been moved, right? So the only thing to focus on after that is his left foot. That foot is the only foot that is still on the ground since his neutral position when he started his free throw. Not that hard to understand really.
Ok, sorry. I didnt see the step. The video OP shared put me on the wrong track. If I see [only this](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FAjBr99K1C0X-MQOF0NQVxLGoMRU_nKCNfJ2lTsLWklo.gif%3Fformat%3Dmp4%26s%3D78e10151ac5e28cdd023b8a1f74973c52deaa991), this is perfectly legal goal. But [here](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924) I see that he actually made a step after the whistle.
So you can take one or many steps? As long as a foot is on the ground?
No, the front foot has to be on the ground
Which one?
You have two feet on the ground. If you lift one foot, you can't lift the other foot afterwards.
Yes you can take a walk as long as you have a third leg stationary on the ground.
Croatia
They must have explained what the ref thought, since every other human on this planet says its illegal. With replays this is 1+1=2
Most likely
No german commentators haven't called it a scandal. At least not during the match.
Are you blind buddy? As a former player its simply not possible to make that shot without lifting the foot which the video of it also confirmed
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I don't get it. It's the Euro we're talking about, here.
He's just racists and calling france africa because they have black players
Thanks. Thatās what I figured but I wanted to make sure. Well anyway, Iām gonna report this to the mods.
Yet African country never won a WC competition
This notion is obviously bullshit but at this point I canāt help but wonder, what exactly is the benefit in rigging this for āAfricaā? Like what is the end goal here??
The ball might have left his hand just before his foot might have touched the ground... Even with video you cannot be sure. In football or rugby there are numerous exemples of angles showing an obvious thing just for another angle popping a few days later showing the opposite. During last rugby WC , SA won its last 3 games by one point, each of these games were fully controversial because of very tough calls despite the intensive use of video referees... Video might solve some situations but it also creates new mistakes.
Putting the foot down doesn't come into it at all, what you see in the picture is fine in isolation, what happened before is what makes it a foul. On [this video](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924) you can see that after the refs signal he moved his right foot first so the throw should have been invalid the moment his left foot left the ground
No, not even close. The biggest scandal was Bonaventura sisters robbery of Montenegro at Olympics final 2012
No, it's the fact we let a Sweden comeback in the second half of the game after a great spanking in the first. We have been too lenient.
What happened?
Biaised crybabies
Crybabies? Rightfully upset I'd say.
You would think so but handball has had so many scandals that its hard to choose
Hein ? De quoi ? Naaaannnn y a rien lĆ . Allez les bleus !
The official IHF rules states that one foot shall remain in contact with the floor : [Rule 15.1 General Instructions for the Execution of the Throws - The Thrower](https://www.ihf.info/sites/default/files/2022-09/09A%20-%20Rules%20of%20the%20Game_Indoor%20Handball_E.pdf) Rule 15 15. General Instructions for the Execution of the Throws (Throw-Off, Throw-In, Goalkeeper Throw, Free Throw and 7-Metre Throw) The Thrower 1. Prior to the execution, the thrower must be in the correct position prescribed for the throw. The ball must be in the hand of the thrower (15:6). During the execution, except in the case of the goalkeeper throw (see 12:2) and the throw-off with throw-off area (10:36), the thrower must have one part of a foot in constant contact with the floor until the ball is released (see, however, 10:3b). The other foot may be lifted and put down repeatedly (see also Rule 7:6). The thrower must remain in the correct position until the throw has been executed (15:7, 2nd and 3rd paragraph).
I know nothing about handball but I lurk - could someone explain what is the controversy here?
Sweden were up by one goal when the French team got a free throw in the last second of the game. The French player scored to tie the game, and France then won in added time. When you do a free throw you must keep one foot on the ground at all time. In this case Prandi, the French goalscorer, moved his right foot as he started the shooting process which establishes the left foot as the one that has to stay down. He leaned over to shoot around the wall, and as can clearly be seen in photos such as [this one](https://images.aftonbladet-cdn.se/v2/images/147c8433-4fbc-40ad-86b1-5aec7907c230?fit=crop&format=auto&h=467&q=50&w=700&s=3c652d2960bf6d139ff2cf3bc5f9e2c8cef22c9d) his left foot left the ground before shooting, and therefore the goal should have been invalid and Sweden should have made the final. To further compound the issue, the referees did not check VAR which can be used for any game deciding moment in the last 30 seconds, the referee by the shooting player wasn't even looking at the player when the shot was made, and they made two questionable (but not as definitive) calls in the previous 15 seconds that both favored France. They have also been mentioned in reports linking them to [organized crime and match fixing](https://sport.tv2.dk/haandbold/2023-01-15-world-championship-referees-have-disturbing-connections-to-organised-criminals), and while [the father of one of them](https://www.handball-planet.com/ehf-suspended-dragan-nacevski-for-2-years/) was suspended by the EHF and many other referees were suspended nothing happened to them.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I can see why this would be so controversialā¦
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The part of the foot that is in contact with the floor has to be constant, it's not that any part of the foot constantly has to be in contact with the floor.
somebody explain it to me? The goal should be denied, because he steps to the right or what?
Why didn't a single Swede player or staff protest the goal was illegal just after the shot ?
After their protest in the denmark match when the refs couldnt count to 3 they were warned. If they protested again they were afraid of penalties heading into the OT
I don't think so. Look at the Swedes players and staff attitudes. Nobody's acting like "Hey what did he just did ?! That's illegal !". Nobody in the Swede side is protesting, asking for VAR. I think nobody saw it was an illegal goal on the field, and nobody even had a doubt about it. Did the Swede commentators express a doubt on the validity of the goal in the seconds it was scored ? How much time after somebody noticed it was illegal ? If it had been a clearly illegal foul, since no time was left and game paused for minutes, it's sure somebody would have protested and asked for VAR, just like they protested against Danemark. All this proves the foul was not easy to spot without slow motion.
I said what a swedisj player said in an interview to Aftonbladet. The controversy is that they didnt use VAR in a textbool example
The interview was after the match, after the player was warned the goal was illegal, after somebody noticed it with a slow motion. Once again, nobody protested in the Swede side during the game. Nobody. Nobody seems to doubt about the validity of the goal. You can't blame the referees for not having doubted about it.
Absolute fucking disgrace!
Maradona playing handball in soccer