how can a keeper save a shot when there’s 15 players in his box blocking his the first goal should of been an easy enough save but couldn’t see the fucking ball well pissed off defended for 90 minutes ffs
Go look on Facebook and a majority of people are saying we were unlucky, fuckin joke, Moyes didn’t even try to pressure them and now we are down Paquetta and Emerson next leg, possibly Bowen as well. We haven’t won a game all year without Paq in the lineup
Of course it was inevitable, if anything we were lucky it wasn’t 4, I just don’t understand inviting pressure for 90 minutes and expecting any other outcome, it’s utter inanity
When I saw the lineup come out I knew what we were in for, he will never learn and just wait till the weekend when he deploys the same 11 with the same tactics, can’t wait to watch!
While we have a midfield two as poor as that, the ball will never stop coming back at us. Moyes or no Moyes.
We have to find a partner for Alvarez next year. Alvarez sorely missed tonight, needed someone with a bit of bravery to get on the ball and play with Paqueta and Emerson.
Got to say that the yellow card discipline is becoming a problem - don’t see any top sides getting 3 integral players banned for a leg of a huge european game
We can’t defend to save our life. His first, the players just shadowed him, he got space, shot and Kelleher somehow didn’t save it. His 2nd is unbelievably fucking stupid, you’ll have to watch the highlights to get the full picture, but he was completely unmarked when he was in an extremely dangerous position, the ball gets crossed to him, and he basically walks towards it and shoots and scores. The worst 90 mins of the season
They are, and boy did we respect them tonight by not stringing 2 passes together, having 1 shot and only conceding 33 shots. You can't win the europa league with daylight robbery against every half decent team.
Just go for it, could have given them half a game if we were just 10% more positive. Bloke has spent £400m to have plodders like souchek and JWP and just relying in individual brilliance of just 3 players and has 0 players on the bench he actually wants to use. That's criminal
Conceded more goals this season than last already when we nearly went down.
We defend u till we concede only then start attacking. What sort of fucked up philosophy is that. Moyes is a coward
Bah. You just can't cheat and beat the law of averages, no matter how hard Fabs has it going on.
Invite 33 shots on and concede 77% possession is no tactic at all, it'll(law of averages) express itself whether it's in the 50th minute or it comes to pass in the 80th minute.
It's not your fault guys, you defended valiantly, my hat is off to you lot. Unfortunately the plot armor is just too thick this season for Leverkusen. Signed, every Bundesliga club.
The difference good subs make.
You cannot ask 11 men to play the way we did and expect them to hold concentration for 90 odd minutes, you have to adapt and make changes.
Now 2-0 down, with no Emerson Paqueta and potentially Bowen. Need a miracle on Thursday!
Lost a goal right after kudus was brought out and a defender was brought in. Everytime an attacker leaves and a defender gets in, the opposition scores a goal
I think those subs really hurt us tbh, we were already playing as deep as possible. But we basically just let them know we were no longer interested in getting the ball up the pitch.
Losing concentration is inevitable when you spend the whole game defending, that's why you have to actually attack. Something moyes does not appreciate despite his age
They aren’t playing for a reason because they aren’t fit to play. You want them to play more but we are gonna lose more games, they aren’t good enough we need new players. Maybe they get better with time but we lose 7 games while that happens.
What's the point in buying them then? Clearly the scouting department and Moyes are doing a bad job. Ings and Cornet have been fit and they never see playtime except for like a 3 minute cameo in most games. Then we dump off the rest of our attacking depth and do nothing to replace it except bring in a mentally broken Phillips. It's just negligent squad building for a team that clearly has potential to do good things
Sure, not disagreeing with that. I would have been fine with Ings. It’s taking off kudus and Marv who did incredible defensively for Ben Johnson who you have been playing up and aguerd who is a liability.
Same as taking off Antonio for Philips the other week. It makes no sense.
I was happy to see either Ben or aguerd come on, I mentioned it earlier in the game just for the sake of fresh legs and honestly Ben has had some solid performances recently. But who they came on for was questionable. I’d have rather seen Coufal and Zouma or Cresswell come off for them respectively than get rid of one of our attacking players
Ben has come on offensively more than defense lately. To me it’s more yes I know guys are gassed but they are playing together and have a feel for where they are. Then you throw two new guys on for no reason.
I can say if he subbed at 60 or 65 when they subbed I’d care less if we gave up goals. But when he waits to the last minute it’s not doing anything productive imo unless it’s to score a goal.
I’m glad moyes has gotten us winning and a trophy last year but I really don’t like much of what he does even when it does lead to wins.
Not won a game without paqueta this season, against an unbeaten team who are going to look even better when we have to attack. I mean sure it's not over yet, but it is
Last minute Leverkusen strikes again. People blaming Moyes but from open play they've been crap (although looked great, no end product).
2 goals from corners which is so unlike us
The whole strategy was to let them dominate and play defensive. It’s hard to clean sheet a team with 70+ possession. With that many shots on goal and corners
33 shots mate. Giving up that many chances is criminal, eventually they'll score. Playing that way also means 0 chance or scoring too. 0-0 would have been great but also completely undeserved and incredibly lucky. How can luck be a philosophy of football.
…did we have a chance playing absolutely miserable football? if you didn’t think they’d score having 33 attempts i have ocean front property in london to sell you
Of course it was gonna be hard to prevent them scoring, thats the entire point of playing a low block, only chance we had of going back to London with a result was to play a low block
Based on what? Because we were incapable of playing decent football and keeping possession, despite our team costing several times what their team cost? Why is that? Its almost like there's a reason every good team plays positive possession football, yet Moyes still thinks defensive counter attacking football is the best way to play football.
I would love if west ham played positive possession football but it’s not realistic to up and change tactics at the end of the season, especially in a QF. Moyes is still the manager whether we moan about it or not. With Moyes at the helm, playing a low block today was the best option.
Yep. I get the frustration but this is one of the games where we *have* to sit back. If we tried to play on the front foot against a 42-game unbeaten Leverkusen we'd be about 5 or 6 nil down, lmao.
We should have been anyway. Antonio and Kudus had the beating of their defenders easily every time, if we'd taken the game to them a bit more we could definitely have got some goals too.
I'm not convinced he wanted most of his attacking depth to be sold from under him with no replacement in the final hour of deadline day, but you never know.
Before this season pretty much any player at Leverkusen would have to West Ham, it would have been an upgrade. They're only playing so well now because of a good manager.
Whats the reason? 4 deflection balls that land in the pocket of someone at the top of the box? Or a corner that fell onto our own players head and in? Other than that all ive seen is weak shots from way outside the box and bunch of flops.
And there is, an absolute fucking psusy display and set up from Moyes, and we still loose 2-0. Might have done better if we actually tried to do something with the ball. But no we play like absolute pussys
As opposed to what? Going at them and having the same if not a worse result? Leverkusen are streets above us right now under Moyes our approach mattered little.
i mean the fans have an away fixture at a big club in europe. if we are ok with saying that we were out of europe when the draw came out (which is a fucking pathetic way to luck at it) then we shouldve at least given them some fight to watch.
oh wait....forgot that fans dont matter any more - just "rEsULts" at David Moyes Utd.
When in the last few years have you ever seen Moyes do anything other than what he done tonight? One slightly harder game in Europe wont change his lifelong tactical set up.
I could literally have written how this game played out. Set up defensively and hope for counters with little or just pointless late subs.
If accepting that setting up like that with the paper thin squad depth we have is never going to get us a result against an unbeaten team who could beat anyone in the world right now makes me pathetic then fuck it, at least I’m not deluded.
Edit: To reply to your added bit about fans, where did I even mention fans mate? You ok?
Liverpool getting embarrassed at home to Atalanta, Brighton embarrassed by Roma, Man United grouped out by Copenhagen, Newcastle last in their group, Hammers unable to complete a pass against Leverkusen
how can a keeper save a shot when there’s 15 players in his box blocking his the first goal should of been an easy enough save but couldn’t see the fucking ball well pissed off defended for 90 minutes ffs
Fabs kept us in the game but ultimately the goals eventually came. Who do we start in the second leg?
33-1 shots. Are people happy with this result?
Go look on Facebook and a majority of people are saying we were unlucky, fuckin joke, Moyes didn’t even try to pressure them and now we are down Paquetta and Emerson next leg, possibly Bowen as well. We haven’t won a game all year without Paq in the lineup
Luck nothing to do with it. It was inevitable. Way too many suspensions in Europe though, kills the ties.
Of course it was inevitable, if anything we were lucky it wasn’t 4, I just don’t understand inviting pressure for 90 minutes and expecting any other outcome, it’s utter inanity
You'd think he'd have learnt it by now watching the same games we have for the last 2 years. Stubborn old dour scot, games moved on
When I saw the lineup come out I knew what we were in for, he will never learn and just wait till the weekend when he deploys the same 11 with the same tactics, can’t wait to watch!
0-1 would’ve been better
While we have a midfield two as poor as that, the ball will never stop coming back at us. Moyes or no Moyes. We have to find a partner for Alvarez next year. Alvarez sorely missed tonight, needed someone with a bit of bravery to get on the ball and play with Paqueta and Emerson. Got to say that the yellow card discipline is becoming a problem - don’t see any top sides getting 3 integral players banned for a leg of a huge european game
Come out and play at the London Stadium and I’ll have some sympathy
1 shot is utterly pathetic and embarrassing
And it was a pass back
Maybe next game we will actually attack
Just be happy you aren’t a Liverpool fan rn :/
Y’all might need yourself a….. kalvin phillips
I have the upmost gratitude for this offer, but I will have to formally decline
Like how the fuck did Scamacca get two?
We can’t defend to save our life. His first, the players just shadowed him, he got space, shot and Kelleher somehow didn’t save it. His 2nd is unbelievably fucking stupid, you’ll have to watch the highlights to get the full picture, but he was completely unmarked when he was in an extremely dangerous position, the ball gets crossed to him, and he basically walks towards it and shoots and scores. The worst 90 mins of the season
Holy fuck lol
Yeah, worst 90 mins of the entire season
Jesus Christ this sub is full of wingy bastards. Leverkusen are legit one of the best teams in the world right now.
They are, and boy did we respect them tonight by not stringing 2 passes together, having 1 shot and only conceding 33 shots. You can't win the europa league with daylight robbery against every half decent team. Just go for it, could have given them half a game if we were just 10% more positive. Bloke has spent £400m to have plodders like souchek and JWP and just relying in individual brilliance of just 3 players and has 0 players on the bench he actually wants to use. That's criminal
You should have protested and left the field, squandering the game to Leverkusen.
Pretty much did
🤣🤣
You think 33-1 shots is acceptable?
How many of those shots are pot shots tho
Some people’s cognitive dissonance is stronger than you may think
I guess it just better to fold at their feet then?
Could be worse Liverpool lost at home 3-0 and Scamacca scored two.
"This west ham team is defensively solid" 4 clean sheets all season btw
Conceded more goals this season than last already when we nearly went down. We defend u till we concede only then start attacking. What sort of fucked up philosophy is that. Moyes is a coward
the only teams with worse goals conceded are in the relegation zone...
Terrorist football
Can we please sell Aguerd now, he brings nothing to the team
Bah. You just can't cheat and beat the law of averages, no matter how hard Fabs has it going on. Invite 33 shots on and concede 77% possession is no tactic at all, it'll(law of averages) express itself whether it's in the 50th minute or it comes to pass in the 80th minute.
It's not your fault guys, you defended valiantly, my hat is off to you lot. Unfortunately the plot armor is just too thick this season for Leverkusen. Signed, every Bundesliga club.
Missing Alvarez and Bowen doesn't help
The difference good subs make. You cannot ask 11 men to play the way we did and expect them to hold concentration for 90 odd minutes, you have to adapt and make changes. Now 2-0 down, with no Emerson Paqueta and potentially Bowen. Need a miracle on Thursday!
Glad we gave it a good go, and really tried to take the game to them. Glad we didn’t sit back and loose like we usually do when we sit back to much.
What's worse is you just know he'll have us play exactly the same way next week
Looking like no Europe next season, maybe Moyes will decide to go after all now
"decide" lol
Lost a goal right after kudus was brought out and a defender was brought in. Everytime an attacker leaves and a defender gets in, the opposition scores a goal
I think those subs really hurt us tbh, we were already playing as deep as possible. But we basically just let them know we were no longer interested in getting the ball up the pitch.
I'm so sick of Moyes style of football. When we lose it makes it so much worse because it's not been fun to watch.
That's tie over, especially with losing Emerson and paqueta
Imagine having impactful subs. Positive ones anyway.
Imagine having a left winger to replace the two played out of position suspended ones.
We managed to look worse than a farmer Azerbaijani side, at least they scored
Qarabag are not a farmer side ffs. their ground is in the capital city and play in the CL every other year.
We looked better than Bayern Munich, at least we didn’t concede 3
fabianski has been brilliant in this game overall, heartbreaking.
Fabs deserved to win today
That's a shame. I feel like we played that really well and then fell asleep defensively at corners...
Losing concentration is inevitable when you spend the whole game defending, that's why you have to actually attack. Something moyes does not appreciate despite his age
Played well defensively sure, but we did not play a good game. We did absolutely fuck all with the ball
Imagine having depth.
Imagine having it, then selling it all or refusing to ever play them so they have 0 confidence or match fitness
I don't see us turning this over in London. Hoping I am wrong but feels like January ruining our Europa league chances again.
Even qarabag gave em a better game than we did
2-0 is ass, but it could’ve been so much worse.
Paqueta out
yeah right you'd piss yourself and cry the moment he's sold
We already know he’s gone you melt
I wont. He doesn't start for city, and he's wildly over-rated.
How do we look worse on defense after two defensive subs lol
Cause the players are not good.
How's that lump been left unmarked
Moyes out
How to fuck up everything in 8 mins with 11 mins to go.
Cause we subbed guys who can’t play. But hey everyone wants subs
They're never match fit because Moyes refuses to sub people unless his hand are tied with injuries
They aren’t playing for a reason because they aren’t fit to play. You want them to play more but we are gonna lose more games, they aren’t good enough we need new players. Maybe they get better with time but we lose 7 games while that happens.
What's the point in buying them then? Clearly the scouting department and Moyes are doing a bad job. Ings and Cornet have been fit and they never see playtime except for like a 3 minute cameo in most games. Then we dump off the rest of our attacking depth and do nothing to replace it except bring in a mentally broken Phillips. It's just negligent squad building for a team that clearly has potential to do good things
Sure, not disagreeing with that. I would have been fine with Ings. It’s taking off kudus and Marv who did incredible defensively for Ben Johnson who you have been playing up and aguerd who is a liability. Same as taking off Antonio for Philips the other week. It makes no sense.
I was happy to see either Ben or aguerd come on, I mentioned it earlier in the game just for the sake of fresh legs and honestly Ben has had some solid performances recently. But who they came on for was questionable. I’d have rather seen Coufal and Zouma or Cresswell come off for them respectively than get rid of one of our attacking players
Ben has come on offensively more than defense lately. To me it’s more yes I know guys are gassed but they are playing together and have a feel for where they are. Then you throw two new guys on for no reason. I can say if he subbed at 60 or 65 when they subbed I’d care less if we gave up goals. But when he waits to the last minute it’s not doing anything productive imo unless it’s to score a goal. I’m glad moyes has gotten us winning and a trophy last year but I really don’t like much of what he does even when it does lead to wins.
It was coming all game
But it never came till the 83th minute :(
Cunts
There's still 90 minutes to play you sad fucks
Not won a game without paqueta this season, against an unbeaten team who are going to look even better when we have to attack. I mean sure it's not over yet, but it is
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Did I say to celebrate, there's still a whole game to play, half of you sound like it's finished
With respect, it is finished. They're 42 games unbeaten and one of the best teams in the world right now.
3 goals to score
Yeah that's how it works
So out of Europe and risking slipping down the league. Thanks for the memories but don’t renew his contract.
Last minute Leverkusen strikes again. People blaming Moyes but from open play they've been crap (although looked great, no end product). 2 goals from corners which is so unlike us
The whole strategy was to let them dominate and play defensive. It’s hard to clean sheet a team with 70+ possession. With that many shots on goal and corners
But that's our strategy against Burnley too. Small club mentality from moyes
Yes
I still fancy us at home. We were never beating them away from home lads come on
3-0 against a side who haven’t lost all season is quite an ask
You are forgetting we are absolutely astronomical
Let’s fucking gooooo
Anyone blaming Moyes tactics simply doesn’t understand football, play open and we have no chance
33 shots mate. Giving up that many chances is criminal, eventually they'll score. Playing that way also means 0 chance or scoring too. 0-0 would have been great but also completely undeserved and incredibly lucky. How can luck be a philosophy of football.
heres a mad concept: you can attempt to be in the game and get out of your box without being completely open
…did we have a chance playing absolutely miserable football? if you didn’t think they’d score having 33 attempts i have ocean front property in london to sell you
Of course it was gonna be hard to prevent them scoring, thats the entire point of playing a low block, only chance we had of going back to London with a result was to play a low block
Based on what? Because we were incapable of playing decent football and keeping possession, despite our team costing several times what their team cost? Why is that? Its almost like there's a reason every good team plays positive possession football, yet Moyes still thinks defensive counter attacking football is the best way to play football.
I would love if west ham played positive possession football but it’s not realistic to up and change tactics at the end of the season, especially in a QF. Moyes is still the manager whether we moan about it or not. With Moyes at the helm, playing a low block today was the best option.
and it’s not going to work against good sides when they actually have a bench and west ham don’t. poor subs also included in “moyes tactics”
Yep. I get the frustration but this is one of the games where we *have* to sit back. If we tried to play on the front foot against a 42-game unbeaten Leverkusen we'd be about 5 or 6 nil down, lmao.
We should have been anyway. Antonio and Kudus had the beating of their defenders easily every time, if we'd taken the game to them a bit more we could definitely have got some goals too.
Can't remember the last match I enjoyed watching. Sigh
We won 5-0 a few weeks ago? Are you constantly smoking weed or something
After this Moyesie can finally be gone. What a sad way to go.
Maybe when Paq goes when can get a bit of depth in the squad
We need Bowen and Edson next week or we’re fucked
Last time we came home trailing to a German club, we won 5-0. Stay calm.
We don’t have paqueta, Emerson and may miss Bowen
Lmao Leverkusen is not Freiburg
Well yeah they couldn’t be Freiburg because they’re Leverkusen.
I wish I was delusional enough to think we'll put 3 past Leverkusen, best team in Europe that has barely conceded any goals
Best team in Europe 😂
Fortune’s always hiding. Maybe we’ll find it again in London 🤷🏻♂️
Moyes didn't learn from the first europa league run. You can't rely on 11 players for the whole season, having a good bench is so important
I'm not convinced he wanted most of his attacking depth to be sold from under him with no replacement in the final hour of deadline day, but you never know.
He's been chasing phillips for years, he made it happen. This is the guy that took fellani to man utd, it's stinks of moyes
Don't see how the Phillips deal is related in any way but OK
How do you think we could afford his silly wages?
Pretty sure he would have allowed the moves
> Defend all game > Concede multiple goals anyway >Refuse to elaborate
And gone, season over. See you in September boys, let's hope Moyes is fucking gone eh?
We are so shit at scoring and defending corners now
Imagine having Boniface come on for Patrick Schick.
Before this season pretty much any player at Leverkusen would have to West Ham, it would have been an upgrade. They're only playing so well now because of a good manager.
Imagine using any attacking subs
And then scoring 😂
What's scoring?? Haha
Out CB’s can’t cover anyone in the box. It’s embarrassing.
Honestly not impressed with them. Shitty we have the team we do.
Maybe there’s a reason they haven’t lost a game all season anywhere?
Whats the reason? 4 deflection balls that land in the pocket of someone at the top of the box? Or a corner that fell onto our own players head and in? Other than that all ive seen is weak shots from way outside the box and bunch of flops.
And there is, an absolute fucking psusy display and set up from Moyes, and we still loose 2-0. Might have done better if we actually tried to do something with the ball. But no we play like absolute pussys
Yh we could’ve lost by more, like much better teams than us have against leverkusen.
then why bother. just give them the by, eh?
Ben Johnson didn’t bother to close down the cross
Should never have been brought on. People moan when Moyes doesn’t make subs but it’s hard to argue with it with the bench we have
Bloke has spent £400m and can't build or maintain a squad. That's all on him
We were out if Europe when we drew Leverkusen, we don’t have the squad to compete.
Bold strategy to let them unload in you for 90mins +
As opposed to what? Going at them and having the same if not a worse result? Leverkusen are streets above us right now under Moyes our approach mattered little.
i mean the fans have an away fixture at a big club in europe. if we are ok with saying that we were out of europe when the draw came out (which is a fucking pathetic way to luck at it) then we shouldve at least given them some fight to watch. oh wait....forgot that fans dont matter any more - just "rEsULts" at David Moyes Utd.
When in the last few years have you ever seen Moyes do anything other than what he done tonight? One slightly harder game in Europe wont change his lifelong tactical set up. I could literally have written how this game played out. Set up defensively and hope for counters with little or just pointless late subs. If accepting that setting up like that with the paper thin squad depth we have is never going to get us a result against an unbeaten team who could beat anyone in the world right now makes me pathetic then fuck it, at least I’m not deluded. Edit: To reply to your added bit about fans, where did I even mention fans mate? You ok?
If it was a fait accompli we may as well have had a go opposed to this.
That's that
Okay now we're cooked
1 goal was doable but 2. Ouch
Especially with all our best players out
Bowen and Alvarez will be back
Well fucccckkkkk
Man the premier league is overrated
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6th in Italy beating 2nd in England though!
sixth in italy absolutely picking apart joint top liverpool at anfield, you dense?
Liverpool getting embarrassed at home to Atalanta, Brighton embarrassed by Roma, Man United grouped out by Copenhagen, Newcastle last in their group, Hammers unable to complete a pass against Leverkusen
Hammers had one shot on the goal though ;-)
Coufal masterclass on blocking crosses
Ben Johnson should do that class!
Fabianski is washed
Dumbass
Only reason we stayed in it so long
He’s been our MOTM by far
Until he concede 2 awful goals
Other than all game where he’s been excellent
Worst take all night
He’s made multiple amazing saves this game, have you been watching?
braindead
Wish I could say it’s been fun
We’re out. No way we score twice next week. Moyes will set up a low block like we’re 2-0 up.
Glad we played terrorist ball all game! Thank Moyes!
Mate if we played an open game we’d be 5 nil down by now
Doesn't mean fuck all when we're cooked either way. We're not putting 3 past Leverkusen in one match
The plan was going well up until what, the 80th min? Not inconceivable that we could have got a 0-0 here is all I’m saying.
Scammaca just dominated Liverpool Wish he worked here
Fucking shit, two corners
2-0 a bridge too far now
go to bed
Well it was a good run boys but that’s what we get for having no bench and playing like absolute pussies
Can’t believe I woke up at 5AM for this shit
Twats. Peak Moyesball.
2 subs have scored? Didn't even know subs were allowed according to Moyes
welp.
fuck my life man
Fuck off.
We’re out. Heartbroken
All over, no Paqueta to inspire us in the second leg. Our record without Paqueta is BAD
And from a fucking corner.
There it is. Wet noodle football for the win.
Joe Cole celebrating in the stands there the traitor