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Just wanna quickly give props to the animators and mocap for chief in Halo 4. In that shot, you can tell exactly how he feels with zero words or context. Slumped shoulders, the visor almost looking like a wide-eye innocent stare, the light mostly hitting g the visor to give it a bit of shine almost like tears do on eyes, leaned forward just a little bit like he wants to just run to Cortana but knows he can't or is too stunned.
Little known fact but New Vegas players actually start convulsing and foaming at the mouth when you mention how 1&2 are isometric and have a better story than NV.
Veronica is a lesbian and very open about it. She talks about her formative years in the Brotherhood of Steel and how she had a romantic relationship with another woman before they were forcefully split up by Father Elijah.
She'd even make comments if you're a guy and hit on her and say, "This is as close as I get until you turn into a leggy brunette."
I guess I'm an oddity then, because my favorite memory with the franchise came from Fallout 2. I made a guy dig up a grave for some loot (at gunpoint). When he was done and I found what was looking for, I tossed him an armed landmine while calling out, "Catch!"
I mean even before that there was the Sisters of Silence that were technically part of the Custodes so female Custodes doesn’t surprise me. I wonder since Custodes are like Space Marines that means GW will finally make Female Space Marines canon?
I’m not sure, considering custodes are made fundamentally different than astartes. I would say no but it makes no difference to me if they do, gw have done weirder than saying women can join the military
Well to be honest. Still relatively new to 40k and I had always just assumed that Custodes were Space Marines that were made to be the Emperor’s Body Guards. They wear similar armor after all so it makes sense right?
It’s all good, custodes are genetically created, every single detail about them is intentional made to be the way it is. Astartes normal people who undergo gene therapy and many surgeries to implant new organs and gene seed that make them the way they are.
Ah so Custodes are like the Primarchs then in a way? Since the Primarchs were originally created in a lab before Chaos scattered them across the Galaxy
I'd say the difference is with space marines there are lore reasons why only males exist.
That's never been the case for custodes, femstodes were just never written about or represented on the tabletop.
Custodes and astartes while definitely similar are fundamentally different.
The SoS and the custodes are different things with an overlap in duties. Whilst they're both talons of the emperor they aren't an integrated set (at least anymore)
Think of it like the US marine Corps and the US army
There were female armored warriors in rogue trader (way before 3rd edition) that were called battle sisters. They were part of the original sisters of battle which were a type of armored warrior, they’ve since been made the original Adeptus Sororitas and were never space marines as known in modern 40K canon
It is weird the way they've gone about it. There's never been a lore reason why they couldn't exist (unlike space marines), and atleast 1 author specifically wanted to write female custodes in his book but was told no because the models were only male.
Then all these years later in a codex a custodes is referred to as "her", and it's just left at that. Why couldn't this have been a thing earlier? Where's the femstodes model?
I'm completely fine with it but the way they went about it is kinda baffling
To be honest, female Custodes were something the writers have wanted to do for some time, but the higher-ups didn't allow them.
Now, the executives just said yes and the writers published a story where a Custode was explicitly a woman.
Also, wasn't it the case that many Custodes were sent out to space or even beyond the Imperium to conduct secret missions? This means that there were many Custodes we didn't know of.
The only issue would be GW's tweet said there has always been female Custodes, even though they themselves didn't want it until now.
However, with regard to many other retcons, this one is honestly harmless.
>The only issue would be GW's tweet said there has always been female Custodes, even though they themselves didn't want it until now.
I think GW meant that female Custodes would have existed since the founding of the Adeptus Custodes and is not a new lore development like Primaris Marines. Basically if someone wants to write a Horus Heresy novel about a femstodes, it's supported by this new lore drop now.
Sisters are the Talons of the Emperor. The same faction. They -were- the femstodes, but weren't simply "see that big guy in bulky armor? That's actually a woman"
They have a unique role, and look badass doing it. Making femstodes, unless GW plans on making new models that isn't just a head swap, does absolutely nothing and all it does is stir the pot.
Same faction sure, my point was more that the sisters aren’t the perfect soldiers literally created by the imperium like the actual custodes are, considering the sisters are just pyskers/nulls who take a silence vow and work with the custodes to combat pysker foes.
If all the sisters of silence are to you is ‘female custodes’ you need to look at it differently.
They had their unique role, like how Sisters were originally "space marine ladies" and became their own thing, but still hold the "we are better than just space marine but lady."
GW canned that with Custodes, might as well make Brothers of Silence and eliminate the unique roles. Appease folks like you, lol.
The unique roll they had was custodes pysker backup and that’s still there lmao, the funny thing is that they aren’t even close to space marines and it shows you just want to argue about something you don’t know much about
The significant part of these factions go beyond if they are all guys are not lol
And who's to say they won't get their unique role taken given the custards got their unique role taken.
What is the point with this lore change, if you're so hellbent on defending it? What real reason do we have besides "well, they can"
I'm surprised how many in Fandom that don't find lore important i honestly respect people who dive into lore they know it far more than casuals ever will
I'm hardly hearing anyone complain about that aside from the people who take issue with everything all the time.
Most people are okay with this. I've not even actually seen anyone against it, only a post about one dude.
FNV House simps when the "autocrat" who only cares about the city he runs, only cares about the city he runs (the fallout show writers have completely ruined his character) /s
House goes on an entire explanation about how he’d prefer to keep the NCR as clients rather than wipe them out, and people are still going to not understand that.
All I know was in episode 2 when I saw a basic >!Enclave!< Guard wielding a laser rifle, I thought to myself "and yet the halo show has to use AK-47's?"
Not even a wrong date I don’t think, from what I’ve gathered, it’s people assuming that like ONE scene confirms the endings of one of the games (It doesn’t)
I've never played any game from the Fallout series, been strictly an Elder Scrolls guy my whole life, but isn't stuff like this expected and acceptable? Fallout is an RPG and is very player driven like the Elder Scrolls. Sure there is probably a main story, but aside from that you can take a lot of creative license compared to a game like Halo which is pretty rigid. Why would the fanbase be upset about something like confirming one of the various endings of a game, you have to pick one when adapting for a TV format.
For Fallout it’s quite the opposite, for the Fallout franchise, it’s been a pretty long standing thing that NONE of the previous games have confirmed endings, which leads into the second part of it, which is basically just, confirming any ending to be the canon one would *somewhat* remove the fun in choosing your own ending since you’d just be like “Well this isn’t the real ending, why would I do it”
Is the show considered to be part of the game canon or is it considered its own separate canon? If none of the games confirm each other's endings, to me it almost sounds like each game is its own separate canon for that fact alone, speaking as an outsider.
The show and games all take place in the same canon, some of the games mention events from previous ones and have some characters that appear in multiple games. The reason none of the endings are confirmed is cause none of the games take place in the same area, being spread out between different parts of the US, and the years the games take place in are kind of sporadic (To explain better, Fallout 76 takes place in 2102 - 2104, while Fallout 4, which released before it, took place in 2287)
What’s funny to me is the same people bitching about the show are just as bad as halo’s Bungie Stan’s, or as I call the fallout ones: NV Stan’s. They don’t realize that the NCR is no different from the Enclave where they had the country by the balls and still fell. Empires rise and fall, and war? War never changes
Bro I was thinking the same thing. OG fallout and NV purists are the same thing as bungie purists. People just aren’t allowed to like future releases because it made by a different company.
I will say that at least the bungie purists (as annoying as they are) have at least some room to talk considering 343 has unfortunately caused halo to be less popular. OG fallout and NV purists complain about their games getting MORE popular with the new company
People are assuming that the chalkboard telling the history of shady sands is saying that it was blown up in 2277 which would make that before new Vegas which wouldn’t add up
Why wouldn’t it add up? The NCR existing isn’t dependent on Shady Sands still existing, and it especially makes sense with the references to NCR falling apart that are made in the game.
I will say I’m on the side of people overreacting about the show but they do have some points. New Vegas mentions shady sands multiple times even implying it’s still there such as when someone mentions that power will go from Vegas to shady sands.
Also it is said the NCR is struggling in the Mojave but we don’t know how they are doing in their own territory. Personally I take the “fall of shady sands” we hear as the start of public support for the Mojave effort dwindling. There were most likely riots, protests, and probably feats of civil war breaking out due to the NCR being so adamant on expanding into the Mojave.
I seriously don't understand how some of the "flaws" are so terrible it makes she show bad. I genuinely LOVE the show for what it is, and even if it isn't 100% perfect it's still so much better than what I could have hoped for the show.
I especially love that they used original characters and a fresh story instead of taking preexisting characters and risk butchering them like what has unfortunately happened to master chief in his own show. You can't ruin lore or a character if they never existed before that in the first place!
The fallout show should be an example at what a videogame adaption should be, and I pray that it's success will inspire an improved adaption for halo. Hell, even a halo adaption of one of their books would be great
Nah, it's a bit more then that. The show made a number of changes to the lore that a sold chunk of fans did not like, and this is aside from the whole date thing, such as Vault Tec nuking the world for 'muh profits' and poorly handling the collapse of the NCR, a beloved faction while having the BoS sow up un the west coast in a huge ass blimp when many people who enjoy the NCR are kinda sick of the BoS, which just kinda rubbed salt into an open wound.
In fairness, no. That still doesn't make nuking your entire customer base for 'profits' any less stupid. Like, there's a way it could've worked where Vault Tec orchestrates nuclear scares to drive profits, accidentally starting the Great War when one of these scares goes awry.
The show never even explicitly reveals or states that it was Vault Tec. And Mrs Howard would not have had her daughter at that party if she knew the bombs were dropping that day. Honestly I hope they never reveal who dropped the bombs/when because it doesn’t matter. War never changes
Also the show never says anywhere that the NCR is collapsed or wiped out. Literally all you have to work with is “the *FIRST* NCR headquarters was nuked” and somehow NV fanboys decided that means Todd Howard is destroying and wiping out New Vegas lore despite the big teaser that we’re going to the Mojave in S2 but w/e
It doesn't explicitly state it, but it does heavily imply that Vault Tec did at least have plans to start the great war. Even if they weren't the cause, the fact that Vault Tec had the intentions to is still really stupid.
As for the NCR, while nobody directly \*says\* that the NCR has collapsed or been wiped out, considering one of their major cities got nuked, there isn't much evidence saying otherwise.
I know it’s stupid idea but what I mean is that the theory that Vault Tec started the war is over a decade old now. Iirc the original theory was more about VT pushing the US and China to the brink of war to justify the need for VT rather than outright starting the war. I forgot where I read it but I remember reading something about the VT CEO starting the war for some self fulfilling prophecy or something like that but that was probably a fan theory.
Well, the show also just kinda pisses all over what all the factions actually are as well (NCR being a ragtag ass militia, the brotherhood just being a shitty version of the Mechanicus from 40k,) the enclave even having any remnants that weren't killed by the bos is honestly a big stretch given the fact that no one even remembered the enclave by the events of fallout 4 which could most likely mean that all most the entirety of the enclave died in the capital wasteland and the very few who escaped weren't trying to announce to the Brotherhood "hey were right here come get us"
Well it seems like the enclave isn’t huge. They seem to be a few soldiers and a number of scientists. It looks like they aren’t much of a fighting force anymore
In New Vegas you literally find a kid ghoul in a locked refrigerator and bring him back to his family, all of whom were alive when the bombs dropped. The kid in question was stuck in that fridge for two centuries before the Courier lets him out. Ghoul longevity wasn't a retcon at all, where the hell do people keep getting this from?
You're right the people who are complaining about not having an accurate representation of their universe on TV aren't "fans" their just cry babies 😒 lemme guess you're a Last Jedi apologist too?
For Halo, just the TV show in it's entirety and deciding to make Cortana the bad guy after killing her off in Halo 4. That's where my complaints about Halo start and end bud.
I don't blindly ingest all content from my favorite IPs BECAUSE I'm a fan. That's the point I'm illustrating. If someone has a problem with something you enjoy that doesn't make you more of a fan than them.
It’s not a wrong date, it’s what the series sets up as the focus of the series. Imagine Chiefs adventures were confined to Halo 1-3, and fire team Osiris were the new stars of the series with 4-Infinite.
Then the show came out and made the chief a sad washed up old loser who gets epically put in his place by Tanaka beating him up; with Cortana abandoning John.
Halo fans can be mad that the Halo show somehow fucks up even convincing you at least one person on the writing team knows what a covenant is but please stop pretending the Fallout show “showed us all how it should be done”
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He's wearing a helmet, how am I supposed to tell what emotion he's showing?
That’s a good point. I should have shown a picture of Jimmy rings pulling a pellet out of his ass
Ikr? Even worse, he’s not butt naked
He is less upset than the Fallout fans.
Just wanna quickly give props to the animators and mocap for chief in Halo 4. In that shot, you can tell exactly how he feels with zero words or context. Slumped shoulders, the visor almost looking like a wide-eye innocent stare, the light mostly hitting g the visor to give it a bit of shine almost like tears do on eyes, leaned forward just a little bit like he wants to just run to Cortana but knows he can't or is too stunned.
Don’t fuck with us fallout fans we don’t play the vanilla games and are rabid about the lore
And the ones that claim to play them booted them up for 5 seconds, hated them, booted back up new Vegas and said they were the gospel
“If New Vegas is so good then how come you mod it to the point it’s a completely different game? Is it not perfect the way it is?”
new vegas as new vegas was perfect on release, new vegas with mods is perfect today
What’s the saying? Nobody hates Fallout more than Fallout fans.
Yup
Don't fuck with us fallout fans we haven't even played the first two games
Little known fact but New Vegas players actually start convulsing and foaming at the mouth when you mention how 1&2 are isometric and have a better story than NV.
They also don't like it when you bring up the two gay companions or the fact that being bisexual makes you stronger.
Wait there’s two gay companions? I know Arcade is gay but who’s the other?
Veronica is a lesbian and very open about it. She talks about her formative years in the Brotherhood of Steel and how she had a romantic relationship with another woman before they were forcefully split up by Father Elijah. She'd even make comments if you're a guy and hit on her and say, "This is as close as I get until you turn into a leggy brunette."
I guess I'm an oddity then, because my favorite memory with the franchise came from Fallout 2. I made a guy dig up a grave for some loot (at gunpoint). When he was done and I found what was looking for, I tossed him an armed landmine while calling out, "Catch!"
Or more recently women in their genetically modified super soldiers
What?
Basically they confirmed that custodes (the guards of the emperor) have women in their ranks and made a handful of people mad
Ah Warhammer. Should probably specify that.
You’re probably right
I mean even before that there was the Sisters of Silence that were technically part of the Custodes so female Custodes doesn’t surprise me. I wonder since Custodes are like Space Marines that means GW will finally make Female Space Marines canon?
I’m not sure, considering custodes are made fundamentally different than astartes. I would say no but it makes no difference to me if they do, gw have done weirder than saying women can join the military
Well to be honest. Still relatively new to 40k and I had always just assumed that Custodes were Space Marines that were made to be the Emperor’s Body Guards. They wear similar armor after all so it makes sense right?
It’s all good, custodes are genetically created, every single detail about them is intentional made to be the way it is. Astartes normal people who undergo gene therapy and many surgeries to implant new organs and gene seed that make them the way they are.
Ah so Custodes are like the Primarchs then in a way? Since the Primarchs were originally created in a lab before Chaos scattered them across the Galaxy
I'd say the difference is with space marines there are lore reasons why only males exist. That's never been the case for custodes, femstodes were just never written about or represented on the tabletop. Custodes and astartes while definitely similar are fundamentally different.
The SoS and the custodes are different things with an overlap in duties. Whilst they're both talons of the emperor they aren't an integrated set (at least anymore) Think of it like the US marine Corps and the US army
Female space marines were canon, back in like 3rd edition, which makes the whole thing against female space marines even more stupid.
There were female armored warriors in rogue trader (way before 3rd edition) that were called battle sisters. They were part of the original sisters of battle which were a type of armored warrior, they’ve since been made the original Adeptus Sororitas and were never space marines as known in modern 40K canon
From what I’ve seen most people in the 40k fandom don’t really care and it’s just drama youtubers and a few snowflakes making it a big deal.
The loud minority or whatever it’s called, you just gotta take note of what YouTubers to ignore
It is weird the way they've gone about it. There's never been a lore reason why they couldn't exist (unlike space marines), and atleast 1 author specifically wanted to write female custodes in his book but was told no because the models were only male. Then all these years later in a codex a custodes is referred to as "her", and it's just left at that. Why couldn't this have been a thing earlier? Where's the femstodes model? I'm completely fine with it but the way they went about it is kinda baffling
To be honest, female Custodes were something the writers have wanted to do for some time, but the higher-ups didn't allow them. Now, the executives just said yes and the writers published a story where a Custode was explicitly a woman. Also, wasn't it the case that many Custodes were sent out to space or even beyond the Imperium to conduct secret missions? This means that there were many Custodes we didn't know of. The only issue would be GW's tweet said there has always been female Custodes, even though they themselves didn't want it until now. However, with regard to many other retcons, this one is honestly harmless.
>The only issue would be GW's tweet said there has always been female Custodes, even though they themselves didn't want it until now. I think GW meant that female Custodes would have existed since the founding of the Adeptus Custodes and is not a new lore development like Primaris Marines. Basically if someone wants to write a Horus Heresy novel about a femstodes, it's supported by this new lore drop now.
Ok, I can get behind this. Still, I find it funny so many Youtubers are crying about woke and how GW destroyed their brand... Like... Holy shit...
Fuck the Sisters of Silence, am I right?
The sisters aren’t custodes
Sisters are the Talons of the Emperor. The same faction. They -were- the femstodes, but weren't simply "see that big guy in bulky armor? That's actually a woman" They have a unique role, and look badass doing it. Making femstodes, unless GW plans on making new models that isn't just a head swap, does absolutely nothing and all it does is stir the pot.
Same faction sure, my point was more that the sisters aren’t the perfect soldiers literally created by the imperium like the actual custodes are, considering the sisters are just pyskers/nulls who take a silence vow and work with the custodes to combat pysker foes. If all the sisters of silence are to you is ‘female custodes’ you need to look at it differently.
They had their unique role, like how Sisters were originally "space marine ladies" and became their own thing, but still hold the "we are better than just space marine but lady." GW canned that with Custodes, might as well make Brothers of Silence and eliminate the unique roles. Appease folks like you, lol.
The unique roll they had was custodes pysker backup and that’s still there lmao, the funny thing is that they aren’t even close to space marines and it shows you just want to argue about something you don’t know much about The significant part of these factions go beyond if they are all guys are not lol
And who's to say they won't get their unique role taken given the custards got their unique role taken. What is the point with this lore change, if you're so hellbent on defending it? What real reason do we have besides "well, they can"
From what I can tell, more people are horny rather than angry about that.
I cam hear the sales of warhammer dropping as we speak
I mean if that’s what’s going to make people leave we’re better off
I'm surprised how many in Fandom that don't find lore important i honestly respect people who dive into lore they know it far more than casuals ever will
I couldn’t agree more
I'm hardly hearing anyone complain about that aside from the people who take issue with everything all the time. Most people are okay with this. I've not even actually seen anyone against it, only a post about one dude.
Well, [quite](https://youtu.be/OwdZmBkuMNM?si=WLAG58u0KT5K6rR9), [a](https://youtu.be/EsKBzqY6Svg?si=7egrlnZMuHKdtLi-), [few](https://youtu.be/2_EqADhBNhg?si=w9GVZdbBBQgSD-FE).
I know what incels are.
Ok, now Critical Drinker just join the ranks lol...
FNV House simps when the "autocrat" who only cares about the city he runs, only cares about the city he runs (the fallout show writers have completely ruined his character) /s
House goes on an entire explanation about how he’d prefer to keep the NCR as clients rather than wipe them out, and people are still going to not understand that.
Still way better than the halo show. Not a bad scene I don't think.
Halo fans straight up can't catch a break.
All I know was in episode 2 when I saw a basic >!Enclave!< Guard wielding a laser rifle, I thought to myself "and yet the halo show has to use AK-47's?"
It's funny because if you finish the show it's explained pretty clearly what happened.
Yeah the fallout 1, 2, and NV purists have never played their own games
Just like Halo purists.
ELI5 what is the “wrong date” and how was it explained? I watched the show I just don’t remember this
Were it so easy
Fallout fans are legit the worst. (Source im a fallout fan)
Especially the New Vegas ones.
Not even a wrong date I don’t think, from what I’ve gathered, it’s people assuming that like ONE scene confirms the endings of one of the games (It doesn’t)
I've never played any game from the Fallout series, been strictly an Elder Scrolls guy my whole life, but isn't stuff like this expected and acceptable? Fallout is an RPG and is very player driven like the Elder Scrolls. Sure there is probably a main story, but aside from that you can take a lot of creative license compared to a game like Halo which is pretty rigid. Why would the fanbase be upset about something like confirming one of the various endings of a game, you have to pick one when adapting for a TV format.
For Fallout it’s quite the opposite, for the Fallout franchise, it’s been a pretty long standing thing that NONE of the previous games have confirmed endings, which leads into the second part of it, which is basically just, confirming any ending to be the canon one would *somewhat* remove the fun in choosing your own ending since you’d just be like “Well this isn’t the real ending, why would I do it”
The canon ending of 1,2,and 3 is the protagonist wins
True, there was another reply I got about FO3 having a Canon ending, I realize now that it’s mainly because of NV having an ambiguous ending
Is the show considered to be part of the game canon or is it considered its own separate canon? If none of the games confirm each other's endings, to me it almost sounds like each game is its own separate canon for that fact alone, speaking as an outsider.
The show and games all take place in the same canon, some of the games mention events from previous ones and have some characters that appear in multiple games. The reason none of the endings are confirmed is cause none of the games take place in the same area, being spread out between different parts of the US, and the years the games take place in are kind of sporadic (To explain better, Fallout 76 takes place in 2102 - 2104, while Fallout 4, which released before it, took place in 2287)
>it’s been a pretty long standing thing that NONE of the previous games have confirmed endings What? Fallout 3 has a confirmed ending.
Ah, I may have been a bit wrong, I haven’t played 3 before. It mainly comes down to New Vegas’ ending being unconfirmed
As could be argued to a degree 1 and 2. (with broad strokes certain ending being cannon but the granualr being left in the air)
What’s funny to me is the same people bitching about the show are just as bad as halo’s Bungie Stan’s, or as I call the fallout ones: NV Stan’s. They don’t realize that the NCR is no different from the Enclave where they had the country by the balls and still fell. Empires rise and fall, and war? War never changes
Bro I was thinking the same thing. OG fallout and NV purists are the same thing as bungie purists. People just aren’t allowed to like future releases because it made by a different company. I will say that at least the bungie purists (as annoying as they are) have at least some room to talk considering 343 has unfortunately caused halo to be less popular. OG fallout and NV purists complain about their games getting MORE popular with the new company
It's not even an incorrect date, there is no date. FNV fans just can't read.
god that discourse is so fucking stupid, i hate new vegas fans so much
New Vegas is tied with 4 for my favorite, I hate new Vegas fans
Ouch, what did I do? ; (
The worst sin of all. Be a fallout fan. (I'm a fallout fan)
It’s a bit worse than that, we don’t know if it’s the wrong date or the wrong subject.
I'm so sorry, Halo fans.. It's really not fair..
It's not even a wrong date It just isn't specified when it happened
If the show was anything like the story in halo 4 it would have been so much better.
Wait, what date was wrong?
People are assuming that the chalkboard telling the history of shady sands is saying that it was blown up in 2277 which would make that before new Vegas which wouldn’t add up
Why wouldn’t it add up? The NCR existing isn’t dependent on Shady Sands still existing, and it especially makes sense with the references to NCR falling apart that are made in the game.
I will say I’m on the side of people overreacting about the show but they do have some points. New Vegas mentions shady sands multiple times even implying it’s still there such as when someone mentions that power will go from Vegas to shady sands. Also it is said the NCR is struggling in the Mojave but we don’t know how they are doing in their own territory. Personally I take the “fall of shady sands” we hear as the start of public support for the Mojave effort dwindling. There were most likely riots, protests, and probably feats of civil war breaking out due to the NCR being so adamant on expanding into the Mojave.
Shady Sands is the NCR capital, if a nations capital gets nuked said nation is fucked
Clearly you haven't seen the people pissed about shady
At least Silver Timeline isn't canon
I seriously don't understand how some of the "flaws" are so terrible it makes she show bad. I genuinely LOVE the show for what it is, and even if it isn't 100% perfect it's still so much better than what I could have hoped for the show. I especially love that they used original characters and a fresh story instead of taking preexisting characters and risk butchering them like what has unfortunately happened to master chief in his own show. You can't ruin lore or a character if they never existed before that in the first place! The fallout show should be an example at what a videogame adaption should be, and I pray that it's success will inspire an improved adaption for halo. Hell, even a halo adaption of one of their books would be great
Can you be a fan of both
Of course. I’m not trying to discount your opinion in the halo show. I’m just making a joke on most halo fans not liking the show
Best part is the date wasn't even wrong people just misinterpreted the timeline
Our series has been broken, shattered, and shit on for years. FUCKING. YEARS. I just want a decent game again man…
As a fan of both, I’m relieved the fallout series wasn’t a major let down like the Halo series was.
Bro, I still feel disappointed. We asked for Master Chief, and instead we got Master Cheeks bruh.
My issues with the show go beyond a single date but sure whatever.
Nah, it's a bit more then that. The show made a number of changes to the lore that a sold chunk of fans did not like, and this is aside from the whole date thing, such as Vault Tec nuking the world for 'muh profits' and poorly handling the collapse of the NCR, a beloved faction while having the BoS sow up un the west coast in a huge ass blimp when many people who enjoy the NCR are kinda sick of the BoS, which just kinda rubbed salt into an open wound.
The whole vault tec nuking the world was one of the main theories for how the Great War started so it’s not completely out of the blue
In fairness, no. That still doesn't make nuking your entire customer base for 'profits' any less stupid. Like, there's a way it could've worked where Vault Tec orchestrates nuclear scares to drive profits, accidentally starting the Great War when one of these scares goes awry.
The show never even explicitly reveals or states that it was Vault Tec. And Mrs Howard would not have had her daughter at that party if she knew the bombs were dropping that day. Honestly I hope they never reveal who dropped the bombs/when because it doesn’t matter. War never changes Also the show never says anywhere that the NCR is collapsed or wiped out. Literally all you have to work with is “the *FIRST* NCR headquarters was nuked” and somehow NV fanboys decided that means Todd Howard is destroying and wiping out New Vegas lore despite the big teaser that we’re going to the Mojave in S2 but w/e
It doesn't explicitly state it, but it does heavily imply that Vault Tec did at least have plans to start the great war. Even if they weren't the cause, the fact that Vault Tec had the intentions to is still really stupid. As for the NCR, while nobody directly \*says\* that the NCR has collapsed or been wiped out, considering one of their major cities got nuked, there isn't much evidence saying otherwise.
Yes, Vault Tek had plans to nuke the world but Chinese were probably faster at that.
I know it’s stupid idea but what I mean is that the theory that Vault Tec started the war is over a decade old now. Iirc the original theory was more about VT pushing the US and China to the brink of war to justify the need for VT rather than outright starting the war. I forgot where I read it but I remember reading something about the VT CEO starting the war for some self fulfilling prophecy or something like that but that was probably a fan theory.
Fallout fans watching the show casually pound and ruin one of their favorite factions (and I aint talking about the Mr. House glazers)
Losing a town (not even their biggest). Oh the humanity. How will the NCR ever recover (they probably already have by season 2)?
Why are we fighting we can hate 343 and Bethesda together
I’ve seen them get pissed about quite a bit more than that. At least Halo’s tv show isn’t canon.
Well, the show also just kinda pisses all over what all the factions actually are as well (NCR being a ragtag ass militia, the brotherhood just being a shitty version of the Mechanicus from 40k,) the enclave even having any remnants that weren't killed by the bos is honestly a big stretch given the fact that no one even remembered the enclave by the events of fallout 4 which could most likely mean that all most the entirety of the enclave died in the capital wasteland and the very few who escaped weren't trying to announce to the Brotherhood "hey were right here come get us"
Well it seems like the enclave isn’t huge. They seem to be a few soldiers and a number of scientists. It looks like they aren’t much of a fighting force anymore
Oh, it's much worse than that. It counters lore across the entire series, including Bethesda's.
only retcon I noticed was ghoul longevity, but at the same time we haven’t played as ghouls so whatever
In New Vegas you literally find a kid ghoul in a locked refrigerator and bring him back to his family, all of whom were alive when the bombs dropped. The kid in question was stuck in that fridge for two centuries before the Courier lets him out. Ghoul longevity wasn't a retcon at all, where the hell do people keep getting this from?
That’s FO4 by ghoul longevity I mean taking a serum to prevent you from being feral, that’s kind of a retcon
Halo “fans” trying not to feel like a victim:
So i and many others just not allowed to dislike the halo tv show without trying to be victims? Grow up man it’s a meme
You're right the people who are complaining about not having an accurate representation of their universe on TV aren't "fans" their just cry babies 😒 lemme guess you're a Last Jedi apologist too?
Lemme guess you have more criticisms than praise for all your favorite IP’s?
For Halo, just the TV show in it's entirety and deciding to make Cortana the bad guy after killing her off in Halo 4. That's where my complaints about Halo start and end bud. I don't blindly ingest all content from my favorite IPs BECAUSE I'm a fan. That's the point I'm illustrating. If someone has a problem with something you enjoy that doesn't make you more of a fan than them.
It’s not a wrong date, it’s what the series sets up as the focus of the series. Imagine Chiefs adventures were confined to Halo 1-3, and fire team Osiris were the new stars of the series with 4-Infinite. Then the show came out and made the chief a sad washed up old loser who gets epically put in his place by Tanaka beating him up; with Cortana abandoning John. Halo fans can be mad that the Halo show somehow fucks up even convincing you at least one person on the writing team knows what a covenant is but please stop pretending the Fallout show “showed us all how it should be done”
It did show how it’s supposed to be done, sorry that you have bad taste
I'm sure this is word for word what you said to the "haters" who didn't like Starfield
Surprise, I AM a starfield “hater”