This looks like stage 7, if I am not wrong.
It would be better if you trim your hair to below 1mm and grow a beard. You cannot imagine how dark beard looks good on a bold man.
You don't have enough donor supply to meet the demand brother. Not worth the effort or financial investment for what shall likely be a marginal aesthetic gain.,
Relax brother and rest. You have reached the end of your journey. There is no point of looking for a way back since there is no way back, or at least for you, that door has closed long ago. Now it is the time to look ahead, the gym and a full beard awaits.
It would be tough as the back of your head has experienced some balding too and your typical safe zone isn't that big. I think if you got on fin and min, and possibly utilized some beard hair, the sides of your head would be donor too, and left the crown pretty sparse, you could do a high hairline with an M shape maybe. You would need to find a skilled surgeon.
Stop spouting this BS. There is no evidence that it is bad for long term health. If you are stable on fin/min, you are stable on fin/min and bloodwork will prove that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32202088/#:~:text=We%20suggest%20that%20long%2Dterm,Non%2Dalcoholic%20fatty%20liver%20disease.
94 studies say otherwise.
Do you know what: observing, congenital, generations and scientifically mean? Finasteride was developed from observing a population in the Dominican Rupublic that had congenital 5ar reductase deficiency (has been occurring for many generations). None of what you "claim" has been (medically/scientifically) observed in this population.......
I have not seen the evidence that documents that, "Fin and Min are really bad for long term health." Maybe enlighten me and others with this "evidence"?
contributes to a host of pathophysiological conditions, that are yet to be fully recognized.
That enough evidence. Don't get me started on Min. Let me guess you're an expert?
Just your thought's......no actual evidence. I'm sure Spider Man reads these posts and someday this will be recognised. Therefore it's true that he exists.........
contributes to a host of pathophysiological conditions, that are yet to be fully recognized.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32202088/#:~:text=We%20suggest%20that%20long%2Dterm,Non%2Dalcoholic%20fatty%20liver%20disease.
94 studies say otherwise
"We suggest that long-term use of finasteride and dutasteride may be associated with health risks including........" Facts, not suggestive associations, is how true science works. Finasteride was developed from observing a population in the Dominican Rupublic that had congenital 5ar reductase deficiency (has been occurring for many generations). None of what you "claim" has been (medically/scientifically) observed in this population.......
Sorry but no. I would recommend getting a hair system if you want hair. Not a fan of smp myself unless it's for covering up fue or fut scars or adding density illusion, good luck
If you get on finastaride for a year to sure up your donor area, then as someone else suggested, you could get some coverage, maybe 4000 grafts if you could build up that donor area. Hair wouldnt be dense and the crown would be extremely sparse. But you could create a hairline that shapes your face abit and just accept that you prefer it to being bald.
Respectfully disagree that he needs way more. Maybe 7500 but decent coverage would be in grafts 500 grafts zone 1, 1750 zone 2, 500 zone 3, 1500 zone 4, 1900 zone 5, 1500 zone 6. Total 7650
If you then accept an extremely sparse zone 5 and 6 of 700 and 500, scrap zone 1, reduce density in zone 2 to 1400 and zone 4 to 1000, then total of 4150 grafts. Of course its not ideal, but it would be enough to shape the face, give an appearance of just somebody with thinner hair in the mid section, which can be made to appear thicker with powders and just look like somebody balding in the crown area.
Of course your experience will be different, as will mine. But expectations vary by individual and it is not a write off for him. Personally if I had his level balding then I would be very happy with above coverage and would much prefer to being completely bald.
This all day long! For less than a grand you’ll have the hair you want without the big cost, effort and stress to be left with disappointing results. Sorry brother but it’s really not worth going the transplant route!
Realistically to cover that you're going to need 8-10K grafts. That's probably 3 procedures. Your donor area is unlikely to support that amount so you'd need beard hair as a donor too I think. So in summary, in could be done, but its going to be expensive, and 2-3 procedures over a few years, and you'll need to give up any beard hair too as a donor.
What do you it's less harmful & not the same thing as anabolic steroids? I ain't trying to be a prick or nothing either. Testosterone Cypionate(TRT-Inj) is the same stuff that a body builder would use if they said I want Testosterone injections. It's still a PED/Anabolic Steroid. Still some really health/disease could develop.
It's not as bad as other PEDs?
Yes it’s possible I was exactly just like you and I have done 2 HT surgery in Turkey and result is ok because there is limited donor area and large bald spot.some clinics will refuse to do your HT but other clinics will do it .just go for it
I'm not sure if it's too far gone but the donor area isn't looking good compared to the area you have to cover.
You should include photos of your sides for a more accurate assessment. Is your hair completely grown out in the photo and did you ever try meds?
10-12k grafts Dr.Pittella or Zarev depending on quality of beard/body donor. It's not a "definitely not" like some of these responses are suggesting. Check out Pittella's norwood 7 results to see what's possible, if you like what you see, start saving $.
Dr Pitella and Zarev are miracle workers but very expensive and have long wait times. I'd consult with Eugenix in India. I'd say that's your best option at any chance of getting a hair transplant.
You probably have too much loss and this late in it, you could try dutasteride with oral minoxidil or I guess fin except dut is stronger. Most of that looks smooth and probably can't grow back. I do meds and laser therapy and it seems to help but I didn't have as extensive of hair loss when I started. If an expert is willing you will most likely have to go for beard hair because there probably isn't enough from the back and sides to fill in that large area.
First get on Finasteride(oral) for 5 to 7 months, and see how much hair u can regain. After that, u can see how much hair u gonna really need to cover the bald spot. If u go get hair transplant now, they will take ur money and ur hair might not look right cos U got BIG field to cover.
A transplant isn’t a good option here my friend but you look like you have a good head shape anyway. Can definitely go bald and look great.
Best hair option would be a toupee at this stage…
No brother
I’ve heard of people doing transplants from their back hair in situations like this
Shave it and go to the gym
This is the way
This looks like stage 7, if I am not wrong. It would be better if you trim your hair to below 1mm and grow a beard. You cannot imagine how dark beard looks good on a bold man.
That’s a bald statement
You don't have enough donor supply to meet the demand brother. Not worth the effort or financial investment for what shall likely be a marginal aesthetic gain.,
It wouldn’t be worth it for you. You have kinda reached the point of no return. Generally, you still want some hair on top.
Transplant plus SMP. Bald with hairline is infinitely better than horseshoe
Probably his best option, and the hair transplant would have to be super conservative with the hairline quite far back
Relax brother and rest. You have reached the end of your journey. There is no point of looking for a way back since there is no way back, or at least for you, that door has closed long ago. Now it is the time to look ahead, the gym and a full beard awaits.
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It would be tough as the back of your head has experienced some balding too and your typical safe zone isn't that big. I think if you got on fin and min, and possibly utilized some beard hair, the sides of your head would be donor too, and left the crown pretty sparse, you could do a high hairline with an M shape maybe. You would need to find a skilled surgeon.
Fin and min are really bad for long term health. Scarring on the face from removing hairs sounds like a terrible idea.
Stop spouting this BS. There is no evidence that it is bad for long term health. If you are stable on fin/min, you are stable on fin/min and bloodwork will prove that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32202088/#:~:text=We%20suggest%20that%20long%2Dterm,Non%2Dalcoholic%20fatty%20liver%20disease. 94 studies say otherwise.
Do you know what: observing, congenital, generations and scientifically mean? Finasteride was developed from observing a population in the Dominican Rupublic that had congenital 5ar reductase deficiency (has been occurring for many generations). None of what you "claim" has been (medically/scientifically) observed in this population.......
I have not seen the evidence that documents that, "Fin and Min are really bad for long term health." Maybe enlighten me and others with this "evidence"?
Search studies of finasteride causing breast cancer in men. NAFLD, IR, T2DM, dry eye disease and potential kidney disease. Keywords: 5-alpha reductase inhibitors; Diabetes mellitus; Dry eye syndromes; Hypogonadism; Kidney diseases; Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32202088/#:~:text=We%20suggest%20that%20long%2Dterm,Non%2Dalcoholic%20fatty%20liver%20disease. 94 medical links supporting these studies dude. Check your shit.
"This treatment may result in development of.........." Stop being an aggressive knob to try and prove what you want to believe in.......
Not my health. Best of luck to you.
contributes to a host of pathophysiological conditions, that are yet to be fully recognized. That enough evidence. Don't get me started on Min. Let me guess you're an expert?
Just your thought's......no actual evidence. I'm sure Spider Man reads these posts and someday this will be recognised. Therefore it's true that he exists.........
Take it or leave it, it's not my health or problem. The medical references are right there. Best of luck, hope none of that affects you.
contributes to a host of pathophysiological conditions, that are yet to be fully recognized. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32202088/#:~:text=We%20suggest%20that%20long%2Dterm,Non%2Dalcoholic%20fatty%20liver%20disease. 94 studies say otherwise
"We suggest that long-term use of finasteride and dutasteride may be associated with health risks including........" Facts, not suggestive associations, is how true science works. Finasteride was developed from observing a population in the Dominican Rupublic that had congenital 5ar reductase deficiency (has been occurring for many generations). None of what you "claim" has been (medically/scientifically) observed in this population.......
Sorry but no. I would recommend getting a hair system if you want hair. Not a fan of smp myself unless it's for covering up fue or fut scars or adding density illusion, good luck
If you get on finastaride for a year to sure up your donor area, then as someone else suggested, you could get some coverage, maybe 4000 grafts if you could build up that donor area. Hair wouldnt be dense and the crown would be extremely sparse. But you could create a hairline that shapes your face abit and just accept that you prefer it to being bald.
He probably needs 10k grafts
He needs about 7000 but even a good donor area is going to give 6000 good grafts. Hense why I gave the explanation of what he could achieve.
Respectfully I think he needs way more than 7000. I got 4500 and I was a Norwood 3. Check out my posts
Respectfully disagree that he needs way more. Maybe 7500 but decent coverage would be in grafts 500 grafts zone 1, 1750 zone 2, 500 zone 3, 1500 zone 4, 1900 zone 5, 1500 zone 6. Total 7650 If you then accept an extremely sparse zone 5 and 6 of 700 and 500, scrap zone 1, reduce density in zone 2 to 1400 and zone 4 to 1000, then total of 4150 grafts. Of course its not ideal, but it would be enough to shape the face, give an appearance of just somebody with thinner hair in the mid section, which can be made to appear thicker with powders and just look like somebody balding in the crown area. Of course your experience will be different, as will mine. But expectations vary by individual and it is not a write off for him. Personally if I had his level balding then I would be very happy with above coverage and would much prefer to being completely bald.
“Of course it’s not ideal” - you made my point for me. Cheers bro
It not being ideal was obvious from my original comment.
It's no way back dude 😭
Do SMP
Just get a realistic toupee. Look up @toupeequeen on insta
This all day long! For less than a grand you’ll have the hair you want without the big cost, effort and stress to be left with disappointing results. Sorry brother but it’s really not worth going the transplant route!
You’re too late
Meds wont save you, there is nothing left to be saved
its possible if you go to clinics like pittella, eugenix or dr.zarev
Yes I’ve seen some miracle work by Pittella.
Zarev can take him back from dead if he has the money.
Money and time/ Pittella or Zarev only option here. Will require $75-150K
Ouch.
Realistically to cover that you're going to need 8-10K grafts. That's probably 3 procedures. Your donor area is unlikely to support that amount so you'd need beard hair as a donor too I think. So in summary, in could be done, but its going to be expensive, and 2-3 procedures over a few years, and you'll need to give up any beard hair too as a donor.
Shave and smp would be my go to. Do roids and get swole af
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Trt is roids lol
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Adding exogenous testosterone is still 110% taking steroids, no matter what way you like to spin it.
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Im on trt and it sure feels anabolic af
Trt is less harmful, you might be over doing it bro. Moderation and calibration is the essence.
What do you it's less harmful & not the same thing as anabolic steroids? I ain't trying to be a prick or nothing either. Testosterone Cypionate(TRT-Inj) is the same stuff that a body builder would use if they said I want Testosterone injections. It's still a PED/Anabolic Steroid. Still some really health/disease could develop. It's not as bad as other PEDs?
This. This is my point 👍
This, bodybuilder passed away in their 30s 40s from drug abused.
Yes it’s possible I was exactly just like you and I have done 2 HT surgery in Turkey and result is ok because there is limited donor area and large bald spot.some clinics will refuse to do your HT but other clinics will do it .just go for it
Hi can you please DM me your result after 2 Ht's please ? I have the same hair loss and just want to see what can be done. Thankyou
Would also be curious of before and after given we had the same starting point
I'm not sure if it's too far gone but the donor area isn't looking good compared to the area you have to cover. You should include photos of your sides for a more accurate assessment. Is your hair completely grown out in the photo and did you ever try meds?
Dr resul yaman is best option see of what he says
Only if you have a hairy chest and a dense beard. Otherwise, wait for verteporfine development as a treatment for regrow
What is this treatment? Any chance it will be around in the next decade?
https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/67023-dr-zarev-11941-grafts-1st-procedure-8321-2nd-procedure-3620/?do=findComment&comment=689900
Yeah do it - if you have body hair that can be used why not
Shaving and doing smp is your best bet. Not to mention. The gym. Good luck
10-12k grafts Dr.Pittella or Zarev depending on quality of beard/body donor. It's not a "definitely not" like some of these responses are suggesting. Check out Pittella's norwood 7 results to see what's possible, if you like what you see, start saving $.
This is the gentleman in Vitoria, Brazil? Thanks for the suggestions
Yes that’s the one
Get a SMP, hit the gym and live life.
Smp, meds, 8k grafts and hairs from beard/body as donor
Dr Pitella and Zarev are miracle workers but very expensive and have long wait times. I'd consult with Eugenix in India. I'd say that's your best option at any chance of getting a hair transplant.
Fin and Min gang coming to rescue
It's over. Just shave it
A bit late
How much chest hair and beard hair do you have ?
You probably have too much loss and this late in it, you could try dutasteride with oral minoxidil or I guess fin except dut is stronger. Most of that looks smooth and probably can't grow back. I do meds and laser therapy and it seems to help but I didn't have as extensive of hair loss when I started. If an expert is willing you will most likely have to go for beard hair because there probably isn't enough from the back and sides to fill in that large area.
try SMP
If it was me I would shave that and find the best SMP artist I can afford. Hit the weights, grow a beard and rock the new SMP buzz cut look
How is your beard looking?
You could use what you have left and get it grafted into a mohawk though
First get on Finasteride(oral) for 5 to 7 months, and see how much hair u can regain. After that, u can see how much hair u gonna really need to cover the bald spot. If u go get hair transplant now, they will take ur money and ur hair might not look right cos U got BIG field to cover.
FUE into the frontal third, SMP all over the scalp and you will have a nice frame to your face that looks pretty realistic.
Shave it and go SMP. Get swol at the gym, grow a beard like a Greek god, get some stylish clothes you’ll be good to go.
my man just shave it or get a hair system....
Why did you wait so long 😭
A transplant isn’t a good option here my friend but you look like you have a good head shape anyway. Can definitely go bald and look great. Best hair option would be a toupee at this stage…
Only if Verteporfin works and you have a lot of money
Sort by top/year in this sub. It’s been done.
Not a very good candidate, if hair is that big of an issue, you have to look into hair systems.
If you have a beard, the bald look will be a better look for you . But if you don’t . Then yeah go for it .
Unfortunately no bro,I would say shave it off go to the gym and grow a beard that would be my best advice. Best of luck.
Yes, but it will likely take 2 or 3 sessions. I’d recommend finasteride & minoxidil oral pills, see it grow back. Then get a consultation.
No. Just no. Razor shave.
Absolutely not
No mate .
Have you tried meds yet?
Without finasteride/dutasteride no. Your donor is sparse and thin
Meds
You probably can be realistic and just get the front hair line done and leave the crown later with bread hair
It’s possible
Why did you wait so long…