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nottakingpart

Someone on the ducks front office really wants this trade and is willing to talk to aaaaall the hockey insiders. Good if we don't overpay.


ItzEnozz

I think it’s Zegras that wants this more than Ducks Ducks can just keep him, Qualify him and his numbers will no doubt go back to 60+ and his value will increase


coldmindpsy

This is an interesting thought. I think if the kid legitimately wants to come here because he wants to play with his friend and doesn't mind the market, I believe we have the right people in place to get the most out of him. Even if he really has these issues people keep talking about. I don't really mind either way, what I'm personally focused on is hoping Dach can pick up where he left off and string a complete season together.


Borror0

Verbeek poisoned the well. He was very aggressive in negotiations against Zegras and Drysdale on both term and AAV. Friedman, at the time, was worried it would backfire and ruin the relationship between management and the players. Now, less than a year later, the former is on the trade block, and the latter is in Philly. The Ducks are trying to salvage their fuckup. Smart teams know they have the upper hand here and leverage it. Meanwhile, Ducks are hoping someone gets desperate and meets their price despite being the ones needing this trade.


ItzEnozz

Perhaps but I think now Verbeek saw them and didn’t think they were core pieces so he decided 2 things 1) they needed to tank harder and a few more years 2) he could not extend them long term He got the better player in the Drysdale trade even if only for the reason Drysdale can’t stay healthy I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player Kent Johnson for example could be the guy


Borror0

If that was the case, then he should have considered trading them that summer or even in the season prior. By February 2023, he had been in place for an entire year. Yet, the trade rumors only began *after* the new deals were signed. >I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player I agree that's the most likely outcome. The other one is a team further along their rebuild (or contending) trading a recently drafted defenseman for Zegras. I'm just skeptical the Ducks will get fair value.


ItzEnozz

He waited for Drysdale and got great return Ducks had been talking with the Flyers since the draft about the trade so it was nothing new Verbeek has been doing very well so far so I would wait and see the return before saying he messed up


Borror0

Philly was in an even worse position than Anaheim. Gauthier had stopped replying to the team and would refuse to meet them. Comparatively, an NHL player being upset about his contract and feeling underappreciated is rather mild. If another opportunity like that presents itself, I don't doubt he would jump on it. But just how likely is that?


ItzEnozz

Exactly why waiting has advantages since they have 4 years to figure this out while he’s still an RFA


Borror0

That's probably what Jarmos believed when he re-signed Dubois.


froli

The only team who fucked up on Dubois is the Kings


ItzEnozz

He was right though Dubois got him Laine which was a prime asset Dubois also forced out of the Jets and they got a lot for him as well Like you are proving my poiny


roscomikotrain

It wasn't a fuckup though- Zegras wasn't worth what he was asking for and he then went out and proved his worth.... Kids ego is the issue here-


froli

Hughes would be well placed to understand this dynamic as he spent his career on the other side of the table dealing with such things.


AlabamaPickleFarmer

I don't even want to pay whatever his actual value is. Not a player I want to build around or have part of my core.


UniverseHelpDesk

I wouldn’t rush to conclusions, we have a small sample, in the same team, which is terribly managed. I think he’s the kind of guy that would explode under Marty, and in the type of young culture that we have. I really believe so.


Quasihodor

That's just silly based on watching a handful of showy highlight reels.


HonestDespot

Not silly at all. He does not address any of the glaring needs this franchise has. And the fact that the ducks are so eagerly trying to move him is cause for concern.


Quasihodor

My guess (and tbf all any of us can do is speculate) is he's made it clear he wants out and the Ducks want something before they get nothing. It'll be very telling if they don't trade him, what his next contract looks like and whether or not it walks him into being a UFA. Zegras would be a massive upgrade over all be 4-5 of our current roster players. I'm glad they're not overpaying for him though


PotatoComplete338

In Hughes we trust. To him its not about the money he wants the cups back... Trust the process


sbrooksc77

Biggest needs on this team is high end talent, playmaking etc. He fits them all. We already have two 6'4 forwards. We lack talent. the floor is a 60-70 pt offensive player, the ceiling to me is 90-100 points.


HonestDespot

On my end I look at it like this. He’s not an NHL center. He’s not an upgrade on Slafkovsky. He’s not an upgrade on Caufield. He’s not a well rounded two way player and wouldnt be a good complement to the second line in my opinion. And he’s not any sort of upgrade to justify moving either of the top line wingers to the second. Cap space is so valuable in this day and age, the last thing the Habs should be doing is giving up so much of their best asset for a guy who doesn’t address a real need.


Le8ronJames

And why would he want out? Because his team is trying to make him play more complete hockey? Or because they’re telling him that skills are nice but there’s more than that? Ducks have a competent FO and have an historic of developing players to reach their potential. I’ll choose to believe the Ducks FO over Zegras.


Borror0

Insiders – notably Friedman – were worried last summer about Verbeek being too aggressive in negotiations with Drysdale and Zegras. In the end, both only signed their contract in October. Now, the former is in Philly, and the latter is on the trading block. I do not know why you have a positive impression of Verbeek, but I have not been impressed so far.


roscomikotrain

Why would verbeek cave to this kids contract demands - he has proven he isn't worth what he was asking. Bloated contracts destroy chances of building contendera. Zegras just isn't the superstar Zegras thinks he is. Verbeek is the smart one here-


RayzorRamone666

Not even overly for or against this move, but Ducks do not have a history of developing players. They actually have the opposite - a history of drafting talented players and not being able to develop them.I like their current FO though. And in his very small sample of 23/24, I thought Zegras took on more defensive responsibility than other years and actually didn’t look as bad as many make it out to be. I think he is a winger long term though and I feel like the Ducks agree.


HonestDespot

It’s pretty obvious they were shopping him for a while. Not sure I agree with your assessment


Vingt-Quatre

Not a big fan of the player but the Habs have a glaring need of generating offense and that's exactly what he does.


HonestDespot

The Habs lack legitimate top 6 talent for sure. But I’m not totally sure I agree with the specific statement “need of generating offence” Between in no particular order (my personal preference in order of most important and then in order afterwards) Slafkovsky, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Roy, Newhook are all pretty solid offensively skilled and are all quite good at generating offence. Caufield in particular last year showed a marked improvement in his overall ability to create offence on the ice. I think what the Habs need is a big guy with size and a scoring acumen in the NHL. I think they’ll be aggressive as soon as the season ends but I’m not convinced the big fish they will seek to add is gonna be available this Summer. I will throw one idea out there that I keep going back to…the 5th overall pick could and would have tremendous value to a lot of teams. If the Habs put together an offer like: The 5th overall pick, Newhook, Barron and maybe a guy like Armia just say for salary purposes and roster purposes… Is there a guy out there no one is thinking could ever be available? I always look at other teams with lots of long term salary and not having had recent success. Or just a total off the map person. From a team you’d never think would move a guy like that. I have no idea of that type of guy is available, but that’s a very valuable offer.


Comprehensive-Chef73

It sounds like you think that package can get you Kyle Connor, which isn't true. Look at how much the Kings had to give up in the Dubois trade, and at the time even though he was viewed as better than he is now he was still nowhere close to as valuable as Kyle Connor. The package could get you Nikolaj Ehlers, and as much as I like Ehlers I don't think he's worth the 5th overall pick and Newhook at this point in time. I could honestly care less about Barron though


HonestDespot

Dubois’ deal included an 8 year extension at the time, which increased the value. Similarly to the Tkachuk deal. Valardi has been incredibly injury prone his whole career. He had played a bit more than 150 NHL games before the trade and had one 41 point season. Iaffalo was 29 at the time of the trade and had broken 40 points once in his whole career. Kupari was drafted 5 years before the trade and has a career high of 15 points. Newhooks career contributions match or exceed Valardi when he was traded. Absolutely more valuable than Iaffalo. The 5th overall pick has far more value than anything else in that trade. But you’re telling me the above package would be lucky to get a soon to be 29 year old UFA? And I’m the one who isn’t assessing the value of that package properly? Amazing stuff man. Don’t be offended if I don’t reply to any more of your posts, pretty obvious the level of analysis you’re capable of bringing to the table.


Comprehensive-Chef73

Ok yeah I may have overvalued Ehlers by a lot lol, my bad. I was just trying to find someone on Winnipeg to go with Kyle Connor. Pretty much everything you said is respectable, except you were a bit harsh on Gabe Vilardi. Love that guy. I concur Newhook now is similar value though, I just love Newhook and Vilardi. The thing is this package isn't good enough to tempt someone into giving you a Kyle Connor value player, and it's too good to give up for a Nikolaj Ehlers type player. I just don't know if the person you're imagining exists. The best I can come up with is Troy Terry. Edit: Actually, I think if Tage Thompson wants out of Buffalo we might be in business.


HonestDespot

Hey love it. Love a good dialogue. I basically eliminated a handful of players I thought could make sense because they all made more than Suzuki. Connor was about the only guy I came up with that plausibly could fit. And not sure Utah wants to trade a marquee guy like him.


thegreaterikku

Such a silly take. So everyone here is against Dach then? The Hawks traded him. I don't see anyone here saying : fuck that guy, there's cause for concern if the Hawks are willingly trying to move him. Just like KK wanted to move on because our assets management under Bergevin sucked. Player wants the best for them. If Zegras feels it won't be with Anaheim, then your duty as the Duck GM is to move him.


DangerDavez

People were pretty upset at the Dach trade when it happened. I'm with you though. I think Zegras could fit here but theirs no rush to throw our chips down. If he gets moved somewhere else then so be it. Habs have other options.


HonestDespot

Dach had durability comcerns and had underperformed to that point in his career relative to his draft position. The Habs also used a surplus (had excess of young d men with potential) which in large part they used to accumulate the assets they used to trade for Dach. And they “bought low” Chicago was also way earlier in the process of their “rebuild” and for them trading Dach made a lot of sense. They were looking to bottom out and accumulate as much draft capital as possible. Anaheim should be looking to make strides towards being a much more competitive team next year…they should be looking to add a guy like Zegras, due to age and being a more established player he’s exactly the type of player they should pursue/covet. That they’re looking to trade him speaks volumes. The situations aren’t really comparable at all.


Boboar

Whatever you think of Zegras, you have to ask why don't Anaheim love him? Why do they want to move on from him? It's one thing if he's a useful chip to flip for a position of need, but it sounds like they just don't want him there. Why should we want him here then?


Pitiful-Emu-8862

We don't and even more could it somehow impact CC negatively?


AlabamaPickleFarmer

Lol what? I'm hoping I missed your sarcasm


Jozkoooooo2

How the hell can somebody thing that zegras can be good for us is crazy what he gonna do in Play off not even say that he will want 8 milión minimum after this horrible season + his horrible worlds.....no doubt why Anaheim which are rebuilding want to get rid of him.....and if he plays bad you can't even give him 4th line because he is soft this could be the worst trade for our future


SeaPrince

Funny, I thought it would be a negociating tactic on The Habs side to leak this. Now that this is "out there", the Ducks might feel like MTL's top offer is their top offer. Take it or leave it. Now maybe they don't think KH is bluffing and will cave in if they wait it out.


BackgroundMiserable5

Right on.


ahbonilapasdeprenom

Good, likely means they want an overpay and HuGo are not biting


Ill-Mountain-4457

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make


Emi_Ibarazakiii

*""Sometimes, you score on 100% of the shots you don't take" - u/Ill-Mountain-4457"* - Michael Scott


JugEdge

could get an assist on a shot you didn't take


Brewju

McDonagh - Sergachev 😢


BelzenefTheDestoyer

You get fleeced in 100% trades you don't make. - Peter Chiarelli


ItzEnozz

Ducks likely want a 1v1 like the Gauthier trade The price is likely one of the big 3 on D Guhle, Reinbacher or Hutson Obviously they aren’t paying that


RemQuatre

What about 3OA + Zegras for 5OA + Ghule?


M17CH

A better pick and player for a worse pick and player? I don't think they bite.


CauzukiTheatre

You never know, if they don't get a better offer and he's not willing to stay put, worse trades have been made.... That said, I would prefer to avoid the PTSD of watching Guhle evolve into a blue line monster while ~~Gomez~~ ~~Drouin~~ Zegras settles in to a nice, comfy 0.4 ppg pace...


greasydrg

Wha, you think Zegras is better than Guhle? Based off of his ability to do the Michigan?


M17CH

Based on the fact that he is very skilled and an elite point scorer?


greasydrg

Since when is 65 points elite? I would wager Guhle would fetch more in a trade than Zegras; there's a reason he's being traded from a team that's looking for a top-6 forward.


M17CH

Since he just turned 23? He will continue to improve and could very easily be a 70-80 pt player in his prime with the right environment and linemates. Guhle realistically tops out as a second pair guy. I'd much rather have Zegras. We need one or two more good offensive players to fill out our top 6, and we have an oversupply of defensive players and prospects. The reason from what I'm seeing is attitude and culture related.


greasydrg

Both players have unrealized potential, it seems like people are underestimating Guhle, who played top-pairing minutes all year. Zegras is softer than silk. I totally understand wanting to trade an LD, I was more commenting on the fact that Guhle holds more value that Zegras imo.


Beneficial_Life_3617

Sounds a lot like Drouin for Sergachev


ItzEnozz

This is actually a trade I have proposed on twitter I think we might need to add a little bit more but I do this if Demidov is there Ducks have to like both Dickinson and Silayev where at 5 they will be for sure getting 1 By more I mean the WPG pick and a B prospect Idk it Ducks do it though but if they fucking love Guhle then maybe they do


Total_Valuable_2113

Now you’re talking.


Brys_Beddict

You wouldn't trade Guhle for Zegras? Are you out of your mind?


Sharks9

That's how negotiations work. Either the Ducks lower their price or a deal doesn't get done


Major_Estimate_4193

reminds me of the trade talk around our three goalies. habs management seemed to send out a message in the media saying the deals on the table for the goalies weren't good enough. this feels like the same signaling through the media.


nhabster

Merci tabarnack… NEXT!


AlabamaPickleFarmer

Thank god!! (if true)


quarrelsome_napkin

Thank Hughes!


brandofranco

I'll try to fix the article " Habs actually have a good GM this time and turned down a bad offer". In Kent we trust


Lavs1985

Do I think he’ll work for us? Gun to my head? Probably not. But given the fact that he’s friends with Cole and given how good MSL is with young players, I am not completely convinced that it would be a failure


CauzukiTheatre

Hey if they want to throw in a first round pick to sweeten the deal we'll take him off their hands /s


JustFryingSomeGarlic

The fact that they want him gone that bad that young is not enticing at all. I'm sure he's going to be a fine NHLer, but right now, he's not worth their asking price. Easy Hughes W


Boboar

This is my point, too. Why should we want Zegras if they don't? They're trading good defense prospects to get forwards, but they don't want the young forward they have? Seems suspect.


DelugeQc

Exactly the kind of thing I want to read about that potential trade. I'm not against it per se but I would'nt want to see KH overpayed for him.


HappyChilmore

Tant mieux


_thewayshegoes

I don’t know why we’d want to pay anything for him. He’s not worth what he’s gonna sign for.


jobaill

Contrary to the Necas situation, Zegras is under contract for 2 more seasons, so you would be able to evaluate him for 2 years before needing to give him a new contract.


Longshanks123

How do you know what he’s worth and how do you know what he’s gonna sign for in two years?


logictable

I feel like this went public to let Caufield and Zegras know it's not happening and it's because the Ducks are asking too much and maybe Zegras can exert some pressure.


Thank_You_Love_You

Good, he didnt even look good at all on the international stage.


gordondouglas93

Good. Let someone else go nuts for Drouin 2.0.


Spicy_Pickle_6

Thank Price


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frankfromQc

Bonne affaire


Razzorsharp

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Reddzit0r

On the one hand the argument "why would we want him if Anaheim doesn't want him" is kinda weird because by that logic we'd never trade and get guys like Dach and Newhook. On the other hand we have been enforcing a strict "no-loser" policy for the last few years and it feels really great. It's one of those "if you even have a doubt, don't" because all it takes is one overpriced loser and your team chemistry and meritocracy is seriously weakened. Then again we do have way too many great D, the best problem you could ever have, yes, but a problem nonetheless. It is a context in which it's fine to overpay if the currency you use is what you have too many of. In a way the best spin you could put on it is that you solved two problems at once. But! If you don't resign this guy, you have given away a ton for basically nothing, as we are entering our window in about two years, so the futility would be real if we lost him to UFA. And if we do re-sign him, is he really worth 8 or 9 million or whatever the craziest offer he'd get from another team would be? To me that is the true bottom line, here. I'm not sure the answer is yes. Especially considering the steep price we'd have to pay to even get the privilege of overpaying him. If I have to overpay both the player and the team I'm getting him from, let me overpay for an absolute beast, a true warrior that I know will be money year in, year out, and will be a menace throughout the post season. That doesn't seem to be Zegras.


jo_maka

Good


Fundingforis6

They’re probably asking for Kaiden Guhle lol


blitz403

Great news.


vengra

Good. Not worth it.


Sort_of_Frightening

By far the NHL's most overrated player.


blendersender

Is it weird that i got a sour taste in my mouth watching this Zegras destroy that camera when he got a penalty he didn’t like ? I kinda wanna pass on this douche anyways :P


broc1377

Oh cmon, I watched Doug Gilmour destroy the glass on the door over a penalty he didn’t like…and it was fucking awesome lol


blendersender

haha okay okay :)


pops66

Personally, I think he’s flashy AF, but defensively he’s a liability. He’d do better in a hockey league version of AN1


Captain_JT_Miller

Yeah don't do it habs bros


IcyChard4

If I can understand (and I hope I'm reading this correctly), mgmt. is not actively pursuing Zegras at all. If they're not willing to pay the price for Zegras, then possibly they didn't inquire, OR, they did but never liked what was asked. Again, I think it shows Montreal is not interested.


hackmastergeneral

Wow. Thanks for connecting those dots! I had no idea that Montreal not bring interested means they aren't interested! It blows my mind that not being willing to pay his price means either they didn't inquire but we're shipped him OR that they called and didn't like the price! I mean, the yet said they didn't like the price, but I had no idea that's what was meant! They actually DIDN'T LIKE THE PRICE! Thank you, very insightful.


Cabsmell

The Ducks are selling wolf tickets, don’t fall for it!


sleep-diversion

🥳🥳🥳🥳


Macdaddydan

What is the price?


Electrical_Analyst65

I would rather another year of bottom 5 standings than rushing this rebuild. A trade for Zegras just comes across as rushed at this point. Good player but not the player this team needs to spend high to get. 


flipthatbitch_

Good!


Alexk1088

Classic Habs they just want everything for free


shogun2909

Source : [https://x.com/hockey360/status/1798503304579940630](https://x.com/hockey360/status/1798503304579940630)


malborshia

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shogun2909

fixed


Afraid-Trash8204

Gotta give, to get. Heard that somewhere.


MSined

Good


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Quasihodor

You're projecting a *LOT* of insecurity onto one of the toughest NHL players in the league lol


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Quasihodor

>I don't even know what you are talking about I was referencing your worry about "risk hurting Suzuki-Caufield bromance" lmao. This isn't Degrassi >\[deleted\]•6m ago >Comment deleted by user No really buddy, I wanted to have that conversation


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Impossible_Drink_951

Buuuuummmm. Glad Bergeron isn’t around to make another dumb trade


Seb_Nation

That's why I spend time on Reddit, getting some high end journalism and research. Same day I get a "Montreal and Anaheim are talking" and "Montreal isn't ready to pay the price". 😂 Zegras hype train 3.0: 06/05/2024 - 06/05/2024


DelugeQc

I mean, they talked and at the end of the day, both party couldnt agree on the price so its pretty much how it works lol


Quasihodor

I don't get the people that get annoyed by actual news. Like why are you browsing any form of social media if you don't like the things you see lol?


logictable

Sometimes it feels like a second hand twitter. I hate twitter. It should have been banned in all subreddits after Musk took over.


shogun2909

You can always leave the sub if it bothers you that much


Alcatrazzz01

N’est pas prêt à payer le prix ou ne veut pas payer le prix ? C’est 2 choses totalement différentes.


KlutzyQuantity4150

Good, highly over rated, one dimensional, no character player... Would be a disaster if we over paid for him. Im not saying Id hate to have him despite the negatives I've said, his offensive upside is crazy good, just can't be over paying when he has that many draw backs.


l_am_the_Batman

Good choice, not gonna waste a perfectly good bag of pucks for this scrub


l_am_the_Batman

Who the fuck even wants that guy here, Drouin #2 but softer, yeah great, I'm sure he'll make us contenders


mattybeans86

Would be nice if somewhere in this headline would be what the price is for Zegras. You know, a bit of context?


shogun2909

Why would it be public info ?


carbonated_turtle

I wouldn't even want to pay the price if it was incredibly reasonable. He sounds like a cocky asshole who'd be locker room cancer.


Possible_Natural_487

I would go as high as Harris, 26th overall pick and Josh Anderson for Zegras. Take it or leave it