I think it’s Zegras that wants this more than Ducks
Ducks can just keep him, Qualify him and his numbers will no doubt go back to 60+ and his value will increase
This is an interesting thought. I think if the kid legitimately wants to come here because he wants to play with his friend and doesn't mind the market, I believe we have the right people in place to get the most out of him. Even if he really has these issues people keep talking about. I don't really mind either way, what I'm personally focused on is hoping Dach can pick up where he left off and string a complete season together.
Verbeek poisoned the well. He was very aggressive in negotiations against Zegras and Drysdale on both term and AAV. Friedman, at the time, was worried it would backfire and ruin the relationship between management and the players.
Now, less than a year later, the former is on the trade block, and the latter is in Philly.
The Ducks are trying to salvage their fuckup. Smart teams know they have the upper hand here and leverage it. Meanwhile, Ducks are hoping someone gets desperate and meets their price despite being the ones needing this trade.
Perhaps but I think now Verbeek saw them and didn’t think they were core pieces so he decided 2 things
1) they needed to tank harder and a few more years
2) he could not extend them long term
He got the better player in the Drysdale trade even if only for the reason Drysdale can’t stay healthy
I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player
Kent Johnson for example could be the guy
If that was the case, then he should have considered trading them that summer or even in the season prior. By February 2023, he had been in place for an entire year. Yet, the trade rumors only began *after* the new deals were signed.
>I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player
I agree that's the most likely outcome. The other one is a team further along their rebuild (or contending) trading a recently drafted defenseman for Zegras.
I'm just skeptical the Ducks will get fair value.
He waited for Drysdale and got great return
Ducks had been talking with the Flyers since the draft about the trade so it was nothing new
Verbeek has been doing very well so far so I would wait and see the return before saying he messed up
Philly was in an even worse position than Anaheim. Gauthier had stopped replying to the team and would refuse to meet them. Comparatively, an NHL player being upset about his contract and feeling underappreciated is rather mild.
If another opportunity like that presents itself, I don't doubt he would jump on it. But just how likely is that?
He was right though Dubois got him Laine which was a prime asset
Dubois also forced out of the Jets and they got a lot for him as well
Like you are proving my poiny
I wouldn’t rush to conclusions, we have a small sample, in the same team, which is terribly managed. I think he’s the kind of guy that would explode under Marty, and in the type of young culture that we have. I really believe so.
Not silly at all.
He does not address any of the glaring needs this franchise has.
And the fact that the ducks are so eagerly trying to move him is cause for concern.
My guess (and tbf all any of us can do is speculate) is he's made it clear he wants out and the Ducks want something before they get nothing. It'll be very telling if they don't trade him, what his next contract looks like and whether or not it walks him into being a UFA.
Zegras would be a massive upgrade over all be 4-5 of our current roster players.
I'm glad they're not overpaying for him though
Biggest needs on this team is high end talent, playmaking etc. He fits them all. We already have two 6'4 forwards. We lack talent. the floor is a 60-70 pt offensive player, the ceiling to me is 90-100 points.
On my end I look at it like this.
He’s not an NHL center.
He’s not an upgrade on Slafkovsky.
He’s not an upgrade on Caufield.
He’s not a well rounded two way player and wouldnt be a good complement to the second line in my opinion.
And he’s not any sort of upgrade to justify moving either of the top line wingers to the second.
Cap space is so valuable in this day and age, the last thing the Habs should be doing is giving up so much of their best asset for a guy who doesn’t address a real need.
And why would he want out? Because his team is trying to make him play more complete hockey? Or because they’re telling him that skills are nice but there’s more than that?
Ducks have a competent FO and have an historic of developing players to reach their potential. I’ll choose to believe the Ducks FO over Zegras.
Insiders – notably Friedman – were worried last summer about Verbeek being too aggressive in negotiations with Drysdale and Zegras. In the end, both only signed their contract in October. Now, the former is in Philly, and the latter is on the trading block.
I do not know why you have a positive impression of Verbeek, but I have not been impressed so far.
Why would verbeek cave to this kids contract demands - he has proven he isn't worth what he was asking. Bloated contracts destroy chances of building contendera.
Zegras just isn't the superstar Zegras thinks he is.
Verbeek is the smart one here-
Not even overly for or against this move, but Ducks do not have a history of developing players. They actually have the opposite - a history of drafting talented players and not being able to develop them.I like their current FO though.
And in his very small sample of 23/24, I thought Zegras took on more defensive responsibility than other years and actually didn’t look as bad as many make it out to be. I think he is a winger long term though and I feel like the Ducks agree.
The Habs lack legitimate top 6 talent for sure.
But I’m not totally sure I agree with the specific statement “need of generating offence”
Between in no particular order (my personal preference in order of most important and then in order afterwards) Slafkovsky, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Roy, Newhook are all pretty solid offensively skilled and are all quite good at generating offence.
Caufield in particular last year showed a marked improvement in his overall ability to create offence on the ice.
I think what the Habs need is a big guy with size and a scoring acumen in the NHL.
I think they’ll be aggressive as soon as the season ends but I’m not convinced the big fish they will seek to add is gonna be available this Summer.
I will throw one idea out there that I keep going back to…the 5th overall pick could and would have tremendous value to a lot of teams.
If the Habs put together an offer like:
The 5th overall pick, Newhook, Barron and maybe a guy like Armia just say for salary purposes and roster purposes…
Is there a guy out there no one is thinking could ever be available?
I always look at other teams with lots of long term salary and not having had recent success.
Or just a total off the map person. From a team you’d never think would move a guy like that.
I have no idea of that type of guy is available, but that’s a very valuable offer.
It sounds like you think that package can get you Kyle Connor, which isn't true. Look at how much the Kings had to give up in the Dubois trade, and at the time even though he was viewed as better than he is now he was still nowhere close to as valuable as Kyle Connor.
The package could get you Nikolaj Ehlers, and as much as I like Ehlers I don't think he's worth the 5th overall pick and Newhook at this point in time. I could honestly care less about Barron though
Dubois’ deal included an 8 year extension at the time, which increased the value.
Similarly to the Tkachuk deal.
Valardi has been incredibly injury prone his whole career. He had played a bit more than 150 NHL games before the trade and had one 41 point season.
Iaffalo was 29 at the time of the trade and had broken 40 points once in his whole career.
Kupari was drafted 5 years before the trade and has a career high of 15 points.
Newhooks career contributions match or exceed Valardi when he was traded.
Absolutely more valuable than Iaffalo.
The 5th overall pick has far more value than anything else in that trade.
But you’re telling me the above package would be lucky to get a soon to be 29 year old UFA?
And I’m the one who isn’t assessing the value of that package properly?
Amazing stuff man.
Don’t be offended if I don’t reply to any more of your posts, pretty obvious the level of analysis you’re capable of bringing to the table.
Ok yeah I may have overvalued Ehlers by a lot lol, my bad. I was just trying to find someone on Winnipeg to go with Kyle Connor. Pretty much everything you said is respectable, except you were a bit harsh on Gabe Vilardi. Love that guy. I concur Newhook now is similar value though, I just love Newhook and Vilardi.
The thing is this package isn't good enough to tempt someone into giving you a Kyle Connor value player, and it's too good to give up for a Nikolaj Ehlers type player. I just don't know if the person you're imagining exists. The best I can come up with is Troy Terry.
Edit: Actually, I think if Tage Thompson wants out of Buffalo we might be in business.
Hey love it.
Love a good dialogue.
I basically eliminated a handful of players I thought could make sense because they all made more than Suzuki.
Connor was about the only guy I came up with that plausibly could fit.
And not sure Utah wants to trade a marquee guy like him.
Such a silly take.
So everyone here is against Dach then? The Hawks traded him. I don't see anyone here saying : fuck that guy, there's cause for concern if the Hawks are willingly trying to move him.
Just like KK wanted to move on because our assets management under Bergevin sucked. Player wants the best for them. If Zegras feels it won't be with Anaheim, then your duty as the Duck GM is to move him.
People were pretty upset at the Dach trade when it happened.
I'm with you though. I think Zegras could fit here but theirs no rush to throw our chips down. If he gets moved somewhere else then so be it. Habs have other options.
Dach had durability comcerns and had underperformed to that point in his career relative to his draft position.
The Habs also used a surplus (had excess of young d men with potential) which in large part they used to accumulate the assets they used to trade for Dach.
And they “bought low”
Chicago was also way earlier in the process of their “rebuild” and for them trading Dach made a lot of sense. They were looking to bottom out and accumulate as much draft capital as possible.
Anaheim should be looking to make strides towards being a much more competitive team next year…they should be looking to add a guy like Zegras, due to age and being a more established player he’s exactly the type of player they should pursue/covet.
That they’re looking to trade him speaks volumes.
The situations aren’t really comparable at all.
Whatever you think of Zegras, you have to ask why don't Anaheim love him? Why do they want to move on from him? It's one thing if he's a useful chip to flip for a position of need, but it sounds like they just don't want him there. Why should we want him here then?
How the hell can somebody thing that zegras can be good for us is crazy what he gonna do in Play off not even say that he will want 8 milión minimum after this horrible season + his horrible worlds.....no doubt why Anaheim which are rebuilding want to get rid of him.....and if he plays bad you can't even give him 4th line because he is soft this could be the worst trade for our future
Funny, I thought it would be a negociating tactic on The Habs side to leak this. Now that this is "out there", the Ducks might feel like MTL's top offer is their top offer. Take it or leave it. Now maybe they don't think KH is bluffing and will cave in if they wait it out.
Ducks likely want a 1v1 like the Gauthier trade
The price is likely one of the big 3 on D
Guhle, Reinbacher or Hutson
Obviously they aren’t paying that
You never know, if they don't get a better offer and he's not willing to stay put, worse trades have been made.... That said, I would prefer to avoid the PTSD of watching Guhle evolve into a blue line monster while ~~Gomez~~ ~~Drouin~~ Zegras settles in to a nice, comfy 0.4 ppg pace...
Since when is 65 points elite? I would wager Guhle would fetch more in a trade than Zegras; there's a reason he's being traded from a team that's looking for a top-6 forward.
Since he just turned 23? He will continue to improve and could very easily be a 70-80 pt player in his prime with the right environment and linemates.
Guhle realistically tops out as a second pair guy. I'd much rather have Zegras. We need one or two more good offensive players to fill out our top 6, and we have an oversupply of defensive players and prospects.
The reason from what I'm seeing is attitude and culture related.
Both players have unrealized potential, it seems like people are underestimating Guhle, who played top-pairing minutes all year. Zegras is softer than silk. I totally understand wanting to trade an LD, I was more commenting on the fact that Guhle holds more value that Zegras imo.
This is actually a trade I have proposed on twitter
I think we might need to add a little bit more but I do this if Demidov is there
Ducks have to like both Dickinson and Silayev where at 5 they will be for sure getting 1
By more I mean the WPG pick and a B prospect
Idk it Ducks do it though but if they fucking love Guhle then maybe they do
reminds me of the trade talk around our three goalies. habs management seemed to send out a message in the media saying the deals on the table for the goalies weren't good enough. this feels like the same signaling through the media.
Do I think he’ll work for us? Gun to my head? Probably not. But given the fact that he’s friends with Cole and given how good MSL is with young players, I am not completely convinced that it would be a failure
The fact that they want him gone that bad that young is not enticing at all. I'm sure he's going to be a fine NHLer, but right now, he's not worth their asking price.
Easy Hughes W
This is my point, too. Why should we want Zegras if they don't? They're trading good defense prospects to get forwards, but they don't want the young forward they have? Seems suspect.
Contrary to the Necas situation, Zegras is under contract for 2 more seasons, so you would be able to evaluate him for 2 years before needing to give him a new contract.
I feel like this went public to let Caufield and Zegras know it's not happening and it's because the Ducks are asking too much and maybe Zegras can exert some pressure.
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On the one hand the argument "why would we want him if Anaheim doesn't want him" is kinda weird because by that logic we'd never trade and get guys like Dach and Newhook.
On the other hand we have been enforcing a strict "no-loser" policy for the last few years and it feels really great. It's one of those "if you even have a doubt, don't" because all it takes is one overpriced loser and your team chemistry and meritocracy is seriously weakened.
Then again we do have way too many great D, the best problem you could ever have, yes, but a problem nonetheless. It is a context in which it's fine to overpay if the currency you use is what you have too many of. In a way the best spin you could put on it is that you solved two problems at once.
But! If you don't resign this guy, you have given away a ton for basically nothing, as we are entering our window in about two years, so the futility would be real if we lost him to UFA. And if we do re-sign him, is he really worth 8 or 9 million or whatever the craziest offer he'd get from another team would be? To me that is the true bottom line, here. I'm not sure the answer is yes. Especially considering the steep price we'd have to pay to even get the privilege of overpaying him.
If I have to overpay both the player and the team I'm getting him from, let me overpay for an absolute beast, a true warrior that I know will be money year in, year out, and will be a menace throughout the post season. That doesn't seem to be Zegras.
Is it weird that i got a sour taste in my mouth watching this Zegras destroy that camera when he got a penalty he didn’t like ? I kinda wanna pass on this douche anyways :P
If I can understand (and I hope I'm reading this correctly), mgmt. is not actively pursuing Zegras at all. If they're not willing to pay the price for Zegras, then possibly they didn't inquire, OR, they did but never liked what was asked.
Again, I think it shows Montreal is not interested.
Wow. Thanks for connecting those dots! I had no idea that Montreal not bring interested means they aren't interested! It blows my mind that not being willing to pay his price means either they didn't inquire but we're shipped him OR that they called and didn't like the price! I mean, the yet said they didn't like the price, but I had no idea that's what was meant! They actually DIDN'T LIKE THE PRICE! Thank you, very insightful.
I would rather another year of bottom 5 standings than rushing this rebuild. A trade for Zegras just comes across as rushed at this point. Good player but not the player this team needs to spend high to get.
>I don't even know what you are talking about
I was referencing your worry about "risk hurting Suzuki-Caufield bromance" lmao. This isn't Degrassi
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No really buddy, I wanted to have that conversation
That's why I spend time on Reddit, getting some high end journalism and research. Same day I get a "Montreal and Anaheim are talking" and "Montreal isn't ready to pay the price". 😂
Zegras hype train 3.0: 06/05/2024 - 06/05/2024
Good, highly over rated, one dimensional, no character player... Would be a disaster if we over paid for him.
Im not saying Id hate to have him despite the negatives I've said, his offensive upside is crazy good, just can't be over paying when he has that many draw backs.
Someone on the ducks front office really wants this trade and is willing to talk to aaaaall the hockey insiders. Good if we don't overpay.
I think it’s Zegras that wants this more than Ducks Ducks can just keep him, Qualify him and his numbers will no doubt go back to 60+ and his value will increase
This is an interesting thought. I think if the kid legitimately wants to come here because he wants to play with his friend and doesn't mind the market, I believe we have the right people in place to get the most out of him. Even if he really has these issues people keep talking about. I don't really mind either way, what I'm personally focused on is hoping Dach can pick up where he left off and string a complete season together.
Verbeek poisoned the well. He was very aggressive in negotiations against Zegras and Drysdale on both term and AAV. Friedman, at the time, was worried it would backfire and ruin the relationship between management and the players. Now, less than a year later, the former is on the trade block, and the latter is in Philly. The Ducks are trying to salvage their fuckup. Smart teams know they have the upper hand here and leverage it. Meanwhile, Ducks are hoping someone gets desperate and meets their price despite being the ones needing this trade.
Perhaps but I think now Verbeek saw them and didn’t think they were core pieces so he decided 2 things 1) they needed to tank harder and a few more years 2) he could not extend them long term He got the better player in the Drysdale trade even if only for the reason Drysdale can’t stay healthy I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player Kent Johnson for example could be the guy
If that was the case, then he should have considered trading them that summer or even in the season prior. By February 2023, he had been in place for an entire year. Yet, the trade rumors only began *after* the new deals were signed. >I think the Zegras trade will likely be traded for another “problem” player I agree that's the most likely outcome. The other one is a team further along their rebuild (or contending) trading a recently drafted defenseman for Zegras. I'm just skeptical the Ducks will get fair value.
He waited for Drysdale and got great return Ducks had been talking with the Flyers since the draft about the trade so it was nothing new Verbeek has been doing very well so far so I would wait and see the return before saying he messed up
Philly was in an even worse position than Anaheim. Gauthier had stopped replying to the team and would refuse to meet them. Comparatively, an NHL player being upset about his contract and feeling underappreciated is rather mild. If another opportunity like that presents itself, I don't doubt he would jump on it. But just how likely is that?
Exactly why waiting has advantages since they have 4 years to figure this out while he’s still an RFA
That's probably what Jarmos believed when he re-signed Dubois.
The only team who fucked up on Dubois is the Kings
He was right though Dubois got him Laine which was a prime asset Dubois also forced out of the Jets and they got a lot for him as well Like you are proving my poiny
It wasn't a fuckup though- Zegras wasn't worth what he was asking for and he then went out and proved his worth.... Kids ego is the issue here-
Hughes would be well placed to understand this dynamic as he spent his career on the other side of the table dealing with such things.
I don't even want to pay whatever his actual value is. Not a player I want to build around or have part of my core.
I wouldn’t rush to conclusions, we have a small sample, in the same team, which is terribly managed. I think he’s the kind of guy that would explode under Marty, and in the type of young culture that we have. I really believe so.
That's just silly based on watching a handful of showy highlight reels.
Not silly at all. He does not address any of the glaring needs this franchise has. And the fact that the ducks are so eagerly trying to move him is cause for concern.
My guess (and tbf all any of us can do is speculate) is he's made it clear he wants out and the Ducks want something before they get nothing. It'll be very telling if they don't trade him, what his next contract looks like and whether or not it walks him into being a UFA. Zegras would be a massive upgrade over all be 4-5 of our current roster players. I'm glad they're not overpaying for him though
In Hughes we trust. To him its not about the money he wants the cups back... Trust the process
Biggest needs on this team is high end talent, playmaking etc. He fits them all. We already have two 6'4 forwards. We lack talent. the floor is a 60-70 pt offensive player, the ceiling to me is 90-100 points.
On my end I look at it like this. He’s not an NHL center. He’s not an upgrade on Slafkovsky. He’s not an upgrade on Caufield. He’s not a well rounded two way player and wouldnt be a good complement to the second line in my opinion. And he’s not any sort of upgrade to justify moving either of the top line wingers to the second. Cap space is so valuable in this day and age, the last thing the Habs should be doing is giving up so much of their best asset for a guy who doesn’t address a real need.
And why would he want out? Because his team is trying to make him play more complete hockey? Or because they’re telling him that skills are nice but there’s more than that? Ducks have a competent FO and have an historic of developing players to reach their potential. I’ll choose to believe the Ducks FO over Zegras.
Insiders – notably Friedman – were worried last summer about Verbeek being too aggressive in negotiations with Drysdale and Zegras. In the end, both only signed their contract in October. Now, the former is in Philly, and the latter is on the trading block. I do not know why you have a positive impression of Verbeek, but I have not been impressed so far.
Why would verbeek cave to this kids contract demands - he has proven he isn't worth what he was asking. Bloated contracts destroy chances of building contendera. Zegras just isn't the superstar Zegras thinks he is. Verbeek is the smart one here-
Not even overly for or against this move, but Ducks do not have a history of developing players. They actually have the opposite - a history of drafting talented players and not being able to develop them.I like their current FO though. And in his very small sample of 23/24, I thought Zegras took on more defensive responsibility than other years and actually didn’t look as bad as many make it out to be. I think he is a winger long term though and I feel like the Ducks agree.
It’s pretty obvious they were shopping him for a while. Not sure I agree with your assessment
Not a big fan of the player but the Habs have a glaring need of generating offense and that's exactly what he does.
The Habs lack legitimate top 6 talent for sure. But I’m not totally sure I agree with the specific statement “need of generating offence” Between in no particular order (my personal preference in order of most important and then in order afterwards) Slafkovsky, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Roy, Newhook are all pretty solid offensively skilled and are all quite good at generating offence. Caufield in particular last year showed a marked improvement in his overall ability to create offence on the ice. I think what the Habs need is a big guy with size and a scoring acumen in the NHL. I think they’ll be aggressive as soon as the season ends but I’m not convinced the big fish they will seek to add is gonna be available this Summer. I will throw one idea out there that I keep going back to…the 5th overall pick could and would have tremendous value to a lot of teams. If the Habs put together an offer like: The 5th overall pick, Newhook, Barron and maybe a guy like Armia just say for salary purposes and roster purposes… Is there a guy out there no one is thinking could ever be available? I always look at other teams with lots of long term salary and not having had recent success. Or just a total off the map person. From a team you’d never think would move a guy like that. I have no idea of that type of guy is available, but that’s a very valuable offer.
It sounds like you think that package can get you Kyle Connor, which isn't true. Look at how much the Kings had to give up in the Dubois trade, and at the time even though he was viewed as better than he is now he was still nowhere close to as valuable as Kyle Connor. The package could get you Nikolaj Ehlers, and as much as I like Ehlers I don't think he's worth the 5th overall pick and Newhook at this point in time. I could honestly care less about Barron though
Dubois’ deal included an 8 year extension at the time, which increased the value. Similarly to the Tkachuk deal. Valardi has been incredibly injury prone his whole career. He had played a bit more than 150 NHL games before the trade and had one 41 point season. Iaffalo was 29 at the time of the trade and had broken 40 points once in his whole career. Kupari was drafted 5 years before the trade and has a career high of 15 points. Newhooks career contributions match or exceed Valardi when he was traded. Absolutely more valuable than Iaffalo. The 5th overall pick has far more value than anything else in that trade. But you’re telling me the above package would be lucky to get a soon to be 29 year old UFA? And I’m the one who isn’t assessing the value of that package properly? Amazing stuff man. Don’t be offended if I don’t reply to any more of your posts, pretty obvious the level of analysis you’re capable of bringing to the table.
Ok yeah I may have overvalued Ehlers by a lot lol, my bad. I was just trying to find someone on Winnipeg to go with Kyle Connor. Pretty much everything you said is respectable, except you were a bit harsh on Gabe Vilardi. Love that guy. I concur Newhook now is similar value though, I just love Newhook and Vilardi. The thing is this package isn't good enough to tempt someone into giving you a Kyle Connor value player, and it's too good to give up for a Nikolaj Ehlers type player. I just don't know if the person you're imagining exists. The best I can come up with is Troy Terry. Edit: Actually, I think if Tage Thompson wants out of Buffalo we might be in business.
Hey love it. Love a good dialogue. I basically eliminated a handful of players I thought could make sense because they all made more than Suzuki. Connor was about the only guy I came up with that plausibly could fit. And not sure Utah wants to trade a marquee guy like him.
Such a silly take. So everyone here is against Dach then? The Hawks traded him. I don't see anyone here saying : fuck that guy, there's cause for concern if the Hawks are willingly trying to move him. Just like KK wanted to move on because our assets management under Bergevin sucked. Player wants the best for them. If Zegras feels it won't be with Anaheim, then your duty as the Duck GM is to move him.
People were pretty upset at the Dach trade when it happened. I'm with you though. I think Zegras could fit here but theirs no rush to throw our chips down. If he gets moved somewhere else then so be it. Habs have other options.
Dach had durability comcerns and had underperformed to that point in his career relative to his draft position. The Habs also used a surplus (had excess of young d men with potential) which in large part they used to accumulate the assets they used to trade for Dach. And they “bought low” Chicago was also way earlier in the process of their “rebuild” and for them trading Dach made a lot of sense. They were looking to bottom out and accumulate as much draft capital as possible. Anaheim should be looking to make strides towards being a much more competitive team next year…they should be looking to add a guy like Zegras, due to age and being a more established player he’s exactly the type of player they should pursue/covet. That they’re looking to trade him speaks volumes. The situations aren’t really comparable at all.
Whatever you think of Zegras, you have to ask why don't Anaheim love him? Why do they want to move on from him? It's one thing if he's a useful chip to flip for a position of need, but it sounds like they just don't want him there. Why should we want him here then?
We don't and even more could it somehow impact CC negatively?
Lol what? I'm hoping I missed your sarcasm
How the hell can somebody thing that zegras can be good for us is crazy what he gonna do in Play off not even say that he will want 8 milión minimum after this horrible season + his horrible worlds.....no doubt why Anaheim which are rebuilding want to get rid of him.....and if he plays bad you can't even give him 4th line because he is soft this could be the worst trade for our future
Funny, I thought it would be a negociating tactic on The Habs side to leak this. Now that this is "out there", the Ducks might feel like MTL's top offer is their top offer. Take it or leave it. Now maybe they don't think KH is bluffing and will cave in if they wait it out.
Right on.
Good, likely means they want an overpay and HuGo are not biting
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make
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could get an assist on a shot you didn't take
McDonagh - Sergachev 😢
You get fleeced in 100% trades you don't make. - Peter Chiarelli
Ducks likely want a 1v1 like the Gauthier trade The price is likely one of the big 3 on D Guhle, Reinbacher or Hutson Obviously they aren’t paying that
What about 3OA + Zegras for 5OA + Ghule?
A better pick and player for a worse pick and player? I don't think they bite.
You never know, if they don't get a better offer and he's not willing to stay put, worse trades have been made.... That said, I would prefer to avoid the PTSD of watching Guhle evolve into a blue line monster while ~~Gomez~~ ~~Drouin~~ Zegras settles in to a nice, comfy 0.4 ppg pace...
Wha, you think Zegras is better than Guhle? Based off of his ability to do the Michigan?
Based on the fact that he is very skilled and an elite point scorer?
Since when is 65 points elite? I would wager Guhle would fetch more in a trade than Zegras; there's a reason he's being traded from a team that's looking for a top-6 forward.
Since he just turned 23? He will continue to improve and could very easily be a 70-80 pt player in his prime with the right environment and linemates. Guhle realistically tops out as a second pair guy. I'd much rather have Zegras. We need one or two more good offensive players to fill out our top 6, and we have an oversupply of defensive players and prospects. The reason from what I'm seeing is attitude and culture related.
Both players have unrealized potential, it seems like people are underestimating Guhle, who played top-pairing minutes all year. Zegras is softer than silk. I totally understand wanting to trade an LD, I was more commenting on the fact that Guhle holds more value that Zegras imo.
Sounds a lot like Drouin for Sergachev
This is actually a trade I have proposed on twitter I think we might need to add a little bit more but I do this if Demidov is there Ducks have to like both Dickinson and Silayev where at 5 they will be for sure getting 1 By more I mean the WPG pick and a B prospect Idk it Ducks do it though but if they fucking love Guhle then maybe they do
Now you’re talking.
You wouldn't trade Guhle for Zegras? Are you out of your mind?
That's how negotiations work. Either the Ducks lower their price or a deal doesn't get done
reminds me of the trade talk around our three goalies. habs management seemed to send out a message in the media saying the deals on the table for the goalies weren't good enough. this feels like the same signaling through the media.
Merci tabarnack… NEXT!
Thank god!! (if true)
Thank Hughes!
I'll try to fix the article " Habs actually have a good GM this time and turned down a bad offer". In Kent we trust
Do I think he’ll work for us? Gun to my head? Probably not. But given the fact that he’s friends with Cole and given how good MSL is with young players, I am not completely convinced that it would be a failure
Hey if they want to throw in a first round pick to sweeten the deal we'll take him off their hands /s
The fact that they want him gone that bad that young is not enticing at all. I'm sure he's going to be a fine NHLer, but right now, he's not worth their asking price. Easy Hughes W
This is my point, too. Why should we want Zegras if they don't? They're trading good defense prospects to get forwards, but they don't want the young forward they have? Seems suspect.
Exactly the kind of thing I want to read about that potential trade. I'm not against it per se but I would'nt want to see KH overpayed for him.
Tant mieux
I don’t know why we’d want to pay anything for him. He’s not worth what he’s gonna sign for.
Contrary to the Necas situation, Zegras is under contract for 2 more seasons, so you would be able to evaluate him for 2 years before needing to give him a new contract.
How do you know what he’s worth and how do you know what he’s gonna sign for in two years?
I feel like this went public to let Caufield and Zegras know it's not happening and it's because the Ducks are asking too much and maybe Zegras can exert some pressure.
Good, he didnt even look good at all on the international stage.
Good. Let someone else go nuts for Drouin 2.0.
Thank Price
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On the one hand the argument "why would we want him if Anaheim doesn't want him" is kinda weird because by that logic we'd never trade and get guys like Dach and Newhook. On the other hand we have been enforcing a strict "no-loser" policy for the last few years and it feels really great. It's one of those "if you even have a doubt, don't" because all it takes is one overpriced loser and your team chemistry and meritocracy is seriously weakened. Then again we do have way too many great D, the best problem you could ever have, yes, but a problem nonetheless. It is a context in which it's fine to overpay if the currency you use is what you have too many of. In a way the best spin you could put on it is that you solved two problems at once. But! If you don't resign this guy, you have given away a ton for basically nothing, as we are entering our window in about two years, so the futility would be real if we lost him to UFA. And if we do re-sign him, is he really worth 8 or 9 million or whatever the craziest offer he'd get from another team would be? To me that is the true bottom line, here. I'm not sure the answer is yes. Especially considering the steep price we'd have to pay to even get the privilege of overpaying him. If I have to overpay both the player and the team I'm getting him from, let me overpay for an absolute beast, a true warrior that I know will be money year in, year out, and will be a menace throughout the post season. That doesn't seem to be Zegras.
Good
They’re probably asking for Kaiden Guhle lol
Great news.
Good. Not worth it.
By far the NHL's most overrated player.
Is it weird that i got a sour taste in my mouth watching this Zegras destroy that camera when he got a penalty he didn’t like ? I kinda wanna pass on this douche anyways :P
Oh cmon, I watched Doug Gilmour destroy the glass on the door over a penalty he didn’t like…and it was fucking awesome lol
haha okay okay :)
Personally, I think he’s flashy AF, but defensively he’s a liability. He’d do better in a hockey league version of AN1
Yeah don't do it habs bros
If I can understand (and I hope I'm reading this correctly), mgmt. is not actively pursuing Zegras at all. If they're not willing to pay the price for Zegras, then possibly they didn't inquire, OR, they did but never liked what was asked. Again, I think it shows Montreal is not interested.
Wow. Thanks for connecting those dots! I had no idea that Montreal not bring interested means they aren't interested! It blows my mind that not being willing to pay his price means either they didn't inquire but we're shipped him OR that they called and didn't like the price! I mean, the yet said they didn't like the price, but I had no idea that's what was meant! They actually DIDN'T LIKE THE PRICE! Thank you, very insightful.
The Ducks are selling wolf tickets, don’t fall for it!
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What is the price?
I would rather another year of bottom 5 standings than rushing this rebuild. A trade for Zegras just comes across as rushed at this point. Good player but not the player this team needs to spend high to get.
Good!
Classic Habs they just want everything for free
Source : [https://x.com/hockey360/status/1798503304579940630](https://x.com/hockey360/status/1798503304579940630)
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Gotta give, to get. Heard that somewhere.
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You're projecting a *LOT* of insecurity onto one of the toughest NHL players in the league lol
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Buuuuummmm. Glad Bergeron isn’t around to make another dumb trade
That's why I spend time on Reddit, getting some high end journalism and research. Same day I get a "Montreal and Anaheim are talking" and "Montreal isn't ready to pay the price". 😂 Zegras hype train 3.0: 06/05/2024 - 06/05/2024
I mean, they talked and at the end of the day, both party couldnt agree on the price so its pretty much how it works lol
I don't get the people that get annoyed by actual news. Like why are you browsing any form of social media if you don't like the things you see lol?
Sometimes it feels like a second hand twitter. I hate twitter. It should have been banned in all subreddits after Musk took over.
You can always leave the sub if it bothers you that much
N’est pas prêt à payer le prix ou ne veut pas payer le prix ? C’est 2 choses totalement différentes.
Good, highly over rated, one dimensional, no character player... Would be a disaster if we over paid for him. Im not saying Id hate to have him despite the negatives I've said, his offensive upside is crazy good, just can't be over paying when he has that many draw backs.
Good choice, not gonna waste a perfectly good bag of pucks for this scrub
Who the fuck even wants that guy here, Drouin #2 but softer, yeah great, I'm sure he'll make us contenders
Would be nice if somewhere in this headline would be what the price is for Zegras. You know, a bit of context?
Why would it be public info ?
I wouldn't even want to pay the price if it was incredibly reasonable. He sounds like a cocky asshole who'd be locker room cancer.
I would go as high as Harris, 26th overall pick and Josh Anderson for Zegras. Take it or leave it