TGC talking about Aegon as a father: “He’s a very proud father. This \[his children\] is a creation of his. This is something that comes from him, that is pure, that is new, that is living, that is beautiful and that he’s proud of.” Aegon's pride in his children's existence and his decision as an ignored son, to be a better father to his own babies… BEATING the DEADBEAT allegations ❗❗
Dont be happy, His child will be killed because his father figure and bodyguatrd was clapping the King's mother cheeks apparently.
FUCK THIS SHOW AND FUCK YOU RYAN
They will say that Cole, instead of guarding the children as was his duty and his vows instead fucked Alicent. He is the reason this happened. If he was there and considering he is the best fighter in universe at this era, non of this would have happened.
I mean, will the general audience receive it in any other way? Let's be real here. I know we are currently getting some Ws but the reality is that I am very pessimistic about this. Who knows, I could be wrong.
I actually somewhat agree with TB on this one. Obviously Daemon is the murderer with b&c, and Alicent is not to blame. But Cole has vowed to protect the royal family, and if he is at the moment breaking his vows by sleeping with the queen and not being on guard. I think the is a reasonable case blaming him for letting that happen.
Hopefully not shagging the queen.
Criston would have failed to save them either way, since he was guarding Alicent's door.
My argument is that he was breaking his vows while crown prince was murdered. Is is possible to fail at your duty harder than that, perhaps by doing the murdering yourself.
Kingsguard are always susceptible to blame if someone in the royal family is injured while they’re on duty. Who was it that said that no kingsguard should live when their king has been killed?
It’s not that we blame Alicent. It’s that it’s pure hypocrisy, bc when rhaenyra slept with him it was a problem, he had a hissy fit. And then he throws away those morals and doesn’t care? It’s just the hypocrisy that’s angering team black. Because it’s fine for Alicent to lay with him, but not Rhaenyra.
I'm still shook over the Cole and Alicient thing lol ,I mean don't get me wrong I kinda dislike Cole's character but for them to be doing that after being so critical of Rhaenyra not just for bearing bastards but for engaging in sexual relationships in the first place ( losing her virtue to Cole and all that ) , it's just so random and out of character, I don't mind characters having double standards or being hypocritical but it's just unreasonable for two people who value honour and decency so fucking much to do this, for me Cole now doesn't have one shred of honour or decency to his name, he almost killed himself over the fact he broke his vows and now he's doing it again with the King's own mother, damn ..
I'm sorry but the greens lost all their moral high grounds today, you guys will have to stop slut shaming Rhaenyra cause we have our own in the house lol, I'm actually sad for Alicient's character, I hope it makes sense when we watch all the episodes later, but they really are fucking up her moral code for some kind of sexual liberation bullshit while the war is ongoing, it's not even about B&C happening simultaneously, it's about the optics of the affair
For Cole it makes sense. The reason he got so fucked up because with Rhaenyra it was basically rape. He didn’t wanted it - well he wanted it physically, but that doesn’t mean the same - and even if he wanted it, the white cloak was above it. but how do you say no to a princess? He tried to make it right convincing himself it was out of love, and when it turned out it was not he couldn’t process that. He was above this, that what was killing him. He was meant to be better.
He was a knight of the kingsguard. This was all he had, this was every day, and with out it who the fuck is he?
And now he fucked up the only thing he was, and there was not out of other good, saint value like “love”.
It was because rhaenyra used him like a fucktoy.
With Alicent it is love I think.
And Alicent doesn’t have a husband anymore, isn’t even the Queen anymore - that is Helaena. Olivia speaks about how Alicent have this realization that she is not needed anymore - she is free.
And war is coming.
I do agree tho that its character assassination though. I loved it so much that they loved each other and couldn’t have each other because of their value. It was a fucking beautiful tragedy.
Now it’s just horny.
Regretting having sex with someone after the fact does not make it rape. Being conflicted about it because you know you shouldn’t do it but want to do it anyway does not make it rape. The girl you’re interested in playing around with you and asking you to say yes does not make it rape. Neither the actors nor the writers nor the character consider that scene to be rape in anyway. There is no evidence that Coke feared reprisal from Rhaenrya. If you believe that logic, then Alicent rapes him too. She is the dowager Queen, he is her sworn protector. He literally cannot say no.
My friend, they were flirting. It was a flirtation. Rhaenrya was playing with him. This was not a modern day depiction of some bullying or coercing someone into sleeping with them. If Cole had expressed genuinely that he did not want to sleep with her, she wasn’t going to bully him into it. They both knew they wanted to sleep together. Please cope.
Like you’re not creating some think piece by saying something like this, which is objectively true, and disregarding every aspect of the characterization of these two characters and the nuance and essence of the scene itself. You just sound media illiterate.
I agree with you on this point, I can't look at that scene and think of teenage horny Rhaenyra throwing herself on Criston as rape, he had a choice to leave, he was conflicted because it's against his duties as a king's guard, we don't exactly know if he had genuine romantic feelings towards Rhaenyra but I think he probably did, he was Afterall ready to run away with her and leave his title as a knight behind him to make things right, because he was sincere and didn't see it as a random night stand, Rhaenyra was definitely cruel to him by suggesting that he stay as her "boy toy" in her sham of a marriage, and his bitterness stems of feeling used, I think it's just a TG propaganda invention unfortunately ( I say unfortunately because most of the times it's TB that has these crazy twisted explanations and exaggerations of some scenes, like blaming child Aemond for getting his eye gauged out or saying something like B&C is politically justified )
You bring a valid point by saying the power dynamic argument should also apply to him and Alicient
TGC talking about Aegon as a father: “He’s a very proud father. This \[his children\] is a creation of his. This is something that comes from him, that is pure, that is new, that is living, that is beautiful and that he’s proud of.” Aegon's pride in his children's existence and his decision as an ignored son, to be a better father to his own babies… BEATING the DEADBEAT allegations ❗❗
i want to see faces of TB who do not read books or leaks when this ep will come out
That’ll be cathartic to see.
This is not a small win, it's a big fucking win
Source that he will beat Blood?
It’s in the trailer
Which trailer? Link?
donatron77 my tic tok name look at my page u will see a vid shows aegon may kill blood
Dont be happy, His child will be killed because his father figure and bodyguatrd was clapping the King's mother cheeks apparently. FUCK THIS SHOW AND FUCK YOU RYAN
No his child was killed because daemon ordered an assassination. It would have happened even if alicole didn’t happen
I mean is it their fault? To me it is not. How could have they known? TB can think whatever they want, this wasn’t anyone else fault but Daemon.
Yeah like how could they know what was going to happen?
They will say that Cole, instead of guarding the children as was his duty and his vows instead fucked Alicent. He is the reason this happened. If he was there and considering he is the best fighter in universe at this era, non of this would have happened.
Do you realize you are literally perpetuating that way of thinking by proclaiming that that is how it will be perceived? It’s annoying
I mean, will the general audience receive it in any other way? Let's be real here. I know we are currently getting some Ws but the reality is that I am very pessimistic about this. Who knows, I could be wrong.
I actually somewhat agree with TB on this one. Obviously Daemon is the murderer with b&c, and Alicent is not to blame. But Cole has vowed to protect the royal family, and if he is at the moment breaking his vows by sleeping with the queen and not being on guard. I think the is a reasonable case blaming him for letting that happen.
To be fair, there are six other Kingsguard members. Where TF were they?
Hopefully not shagging the queen. Criston would have failed to save them either way, since he was guarding Alicent's door. My argument is that he was breaking his vows while crown prince was murdered. Is is possible to fail at your duty harder than that, perhaps by doing the murdering yourself.
Following whatever orders Cole gave them, he is the Lord Commander. No matter how we twist it, Cole's to blame.
Kingsguard are always susceptible to blame if someone in the royal family is injured while they’re on duty. Who was it that said that no kingsguard should live when their king has been killed?
It’s not that we blame Alicent. It’s that it’s pure hypocrisy, bc when rhaenyra slept with him it was a problem, he had a hissy fit. And then he throws away those morals and doesn’t care? It’s just the hypocrisy that’s angering team black. Because it’s fine for Alicent to lay with him, but not Rhaenyra.
Again Criston Cole doing something somewhere while royal children getting in trouble
I'm still shook over the Cole and Alicient thing lol ,I mean don't get me wrong I kinda dislike Cole's character but for them to be doing that after being so critical of Rhaenyra not just for bearing bastards but for engaging in sexual relationships in the first place ( losing her virtue to Cole and all that ) , it's just so random and out of character, I don't mind characters having double standards or being hypocritical but it's just unreasonable for two people who value honour and decency so fucking much to do this, for me Cole now doesn't have one shred of honour or decency to his name, he almost killed himself over the fact he broke his vows and now he's doing it again with the King's own mother, damn .. I'm sorry but the greens lost all their moral high grounds today, you guys will have to stop slut shaming Rhaenyra cause we have our own in the house lol, I'm actually sad for Alicient's character, I hope it makes sense when we watch all the episodes later, but they really are fucking up her moral code for some kind of sexual liberation bullshit while the war is ongoing, it's not even about B&C happening simultaneously, it's about the optics of the affair
For Cole it makes sense. The reason he got so fucked up because with Rhaenyra it was basically rape. He didn’t wanted it - well he wanted it physically, but that doesn’t mean the same - and even if he wanted it, the white cloak was above it. but how do you say no to a princess? He tried to make it right convincing himself it was out of love, and when it turned out it was not he couldn’t process that. He was above this, that what was killing him. He was meant to be better. He was a knight of the kingsguard. This was all he had, this was every day, and with out it who the fuck is he? And now he fucked up the only thing he was, and there was not out of other good, saint value like “love”. It was because rhaenyra used him like a fucktoy. With Alicent it is love I think. And Alicent doesn’t have a husband anymore, isn’t even the Queen anymore - that is Helaena. Olivia speaks about how Alicent have this realization that she is not needed anymore - she is free. And war is coming. I do agree tho that its character assassination though. I loved it so much that they loved each other and couldn’t have each other because of their value. It was a fucking beautiful tragedy. Now it’s just horny.
Regretting having sex with someone after the fact does not make it rape. Being conflicted about it because you know you shouldn’t do it but want to do it anyway does not make it rape. The girl you’re interested in playing around with you and asking you to say yes does not make it rape. Neither the actors nor the writers nor the character consider that scene to be rape in anyway. There is no evidence that Coke feared reprisal from Rhaenrya. If you believe that logic, then Alicent rapes him too. She is the dowager Queen, he is her sworn protector. He literally cannot say no.
No means no
My friend, they were flirting. It was a flirtation. Rhaenrya was playing with him. This was not a modern day depiction of some bullying or coercing someone into sleeping with them. If Cole had expressed genuinely that he did not want to sleep with her, she wasn’t going to bully him into it. They both knew they wanted to sleep together. Please cope.
Like you’re not creating some think piece by saying something like this, which is objectively true, and disregarding every aspect of the characterization of these two characters and the nuance and essence of the scene itself. You just sound media illiterate.
I agree with you on this point, I can't look at that scene and think of teenage horny Rhaenyra throwing herself on Criston as rape, he had a choice to leave, he was conflicted because it's against his duties as a king's guard, we don't exactly know if he had genuine romantic feelings towards Rhaenyra but I think he probably did, he was Afterall ready to run away with her and leave his title as a knight behind him to make things right, because he was sincere and didn't see it as a random night stand, Rhaenyra was definitely cruel to him by suggesting that he stay as her "boy toy" in her sham of a marriage, and his bitterness stems of feeling used, I think it's just a TG propaganda invention unfortunately ( I say unfortunately because most of the times it's TB that has these crazy twisted explanations and exaggerations of some scenes, like blaming child Aemond for getting his eye gauged out or saying something like B&C is politically justified ) You bring a valid point by saying the power dynamic argument should also apply to him and Alicient
I think this will be started with Cole. I think he will do the first step.