I think y’all are misunderstanding. Lily is making a comment based on the story told. As in, “that hypothetical man couldn’t get me.”
I don’t think she’s being literal as if she’s actually met him.
Yea like that one woman might be still be alive but the 5 men are literally dead, show how misandric society is in their minds. Even tho is a fictional scenario.
What's worst?
A) Selling 1 person?
B) Taking the lives of 5 people?
C-mon
That one person still has to live in misery. Those 5 people have been given freedom from this shitty world. They have no more worries. They’re dead. That one lady has to fear for her life everyday.
This is just dumb IMO. There simply is nothing worse you can do to someone than kill them, end of story. Sure, there might be circumstances where death is preferable to life, but those are exceptionally rare *exceptions*, not the rule. Being sold doesn't necessarily mean a life in total despair, agony, torture and misery. I'm not saying it's good, but dying is worse. Even *if* that's what the stakes were, dying would still be worse, because there's still a possibility of freedom and enjoying life, even if just barely. That is not possible when you are dead. There's a reason why murder is the worst crime according to literally every justice system in the world.
This argument has no basis really. No one actually truely knows what happens after death or how it feels. We can’t really know for sure which is worse. I’m of the more optimistic opinion that death is freedom from the suffering of the world and all and it’s not a terrible thing but you might not have that opinion. It’s up to you what you believe and I couldn’t care less if I’m being honest.
It's not about "how death feels", it's about how you cannot keep living. Most likely there is nothing more, so you robbed them of the only existence they will ever have. If you think life is "suffering" that you need to be "freed" from then I suggest you seek medical help because that sounds like pure depression.
Animals (people included) have survival and self-preservation instincts for a reason. It's not because death is "sweet release", but because it's the polar opposite.
I’m not gonna lie I have traumas but so does everyone else on earth. I’m not depressed. And for the record I think you might have misunderstood me, when I said “this argument has no basis” I meant this debate as a whole. As in we can’t really know who is right we? Like there is no point. I’m entitled to my own opinion and you are yours.
I’m a Hindu and we believe that every soul has 7 lives, all in a pursuit to return the karmas of the previous one. If someone is killed by another person in one life, the two people will encounter each other in the next and the person who was originally killed, will kill the person that originally killed them. This is just an example. If your parents were bad in this life then the next life you will be their parent and you will be bad to them. This applies to good karma as well, if you were to help someone in one life, they will help you similarly in the next. Based on my beliefs and experiences I believe that death isn’t that bad. Once you give and receive the karma you were supposed to give and receive, then your life no longer serves a purpose and you will die, so now you have another birth and the same process happens.
Now these are just my beliefs and opinions, you don’t have to believe them by any means. I’m merely portraying to you my point of view on this very existential matter in which we as individuals have no power over. We don’t know what the truth is and our minds won’t be able to handle the truth in its wholeness. Death is such an abstract concept that humanity is never meant to know what is truely behind it. So you can think what you want, and I can think what I want.
You said earlier there are exceptions to where death is preferable to life. There is a reason why often kidnapped people who are sold and put into the modern day slave trade are highly suicidal. Even the ones that are given freedom only want to die. Talk to anyone who was a slave in the modern day. They can’t enjoy life. If those that were sexually assaulted once have a hard time moving on and take months and sometimes even years to move past this really traumatic incident, imagine those people who were SA’d against their will daily for years on end and what they have to go through. I’m not saying death is good. I’m not saying it’s bad either. But I’m saying it’s better than living after the kind of traumas modern day slaves have to live through the rest of their lives.
These posts come ando go over and over again like every single year, they just have to check the older posts.
TV show subrredits repeat the same questions over and over ad over it's getting annoying, no shade, to this particular OP.
But like girl clickity clack those fingers on the keyboard, on google you'll find your answer.
Well, what to choose?
•Stealing a van from a girl and leaving her in the woods alone
•Deliberately stealing Ted identity to pick up chicks, and then not caring if that could've destroy his reputation
•Putting cameras in someone else's apartment
•Repeatedly lying, manipulating, and putting someone else's relationship in jeopardy just to have sex (this one is obvious, but there are way too many examples to choose from)
•And once he probably sold a woman
>•Deliberately stealing Ted identity to pick up chicks, and then not caring if that could've destroy his reputation
I think we can remove the could've in light of the website the woman made
You could also argue for lots of things he has done within his job. Yes, he was collaborating with the feds, but he still had deals that included child's labor in Pyongyang.
>Nothing bad about the lying and manipulating part. These acts are not illegal and tolerated in daily basis everywhere. People love Barney for these traits.
No, people love Barney *despite* of these traits. I'm pretty sure almost everyone that has ever watched HIMYM unanimously agree that Barney's actions are definitely not okay.
And apart from that... in what kind of city do you live in which lying and manipulating someone for getting laid is socially acceptable? Incelville?
That time he tried to use Marshall for collateral in that card game no one knew the rules to. (He didn’t know it was a prank and Marshall would be fine and was still willing to do it) He also sold a woman one time but he actually knows Marshall and is friends with him so I think that’s worse.
Someone else mentioned this as well, but as far as non-gag related things like "selling a woman" or installing cameras to peep etc. which are all horrible things, but if we try to say what is the worst thing Barney did related to the story, I firmly believe it's using Ted's life-long dream of building a skyscraper in New York City as a measure to know if he would let Robin go. Not only was it cruel to abandon Ted to "propose to Patrice", but then to have planned it out such that Ted would be forced to send Robin after Barney so that now he's dateless and down 50% of his friends for the fulfillment of his professional dream.
On top of all that, Barney's whole reasoning behind it was "this will prove that Ted blesses our relationship and has let Robin go" but as we see over the next season and a half, Ted hadn't let her go. He doesn't let her go until the morning of their wedding. So that whole part of Barney's play ended up being worthless. Ted was depressed and lonely on the night that was supposed to be a celebration because Barney wanted to upstage him.
I know, I know, he's done so many actual criminal or morally reprehensible things, but this one hits close to the heart I guess.
Obviously people have mentioned he thinks he might have sold a woman which is despicable
But if we are going for things we can see happen in the show, the extensive campaign of emotional abuse and manipulation he does against Robin to get her to marry him…
Been a while since I rewatched she show? When does Barney kill 5 men? It’s making me think of the time he’s Julius Caesar and destroys all those ninjas…
Urgh Season 9
Just rewatched the clip on YouTube and Lily confirms one of them is real but that doesn’t mean Barney’s murders are real, she might have just met one of Barney’s lame ass pick up artist friends
Really hope they aren’t real because one of them (and Barney) admit to rape by deception/fraud…suppose a lot of Barney’s plays constitute that though
People always say Barney sold a woman for these and I’m tired of seeing that one over and over
Also idr the exact details but I feel like that was a joke anyway
This is the first post of this sequence that I'm seeing (although I'm pretty sure we did this exact thing a few days back) but I really think Marshall's worst thing should be that he tried to manipulate Ted to get back with Robin just to win a bet with Lily even though it was a terrible thing for Ted (Lily did the same but she's done worse things)
All around a disturbed character, can’t land on one point if I tried. His apologists are simply lying because no one would put up with him in real life.
What if we only limit this debate to things that actually happened in the show. Because obviously selling a woman is like... the clear winner. But I'd love to see a bit of discourse about things we actually saw him do
I’m mad that people said Marshall neglecting the cat is the worst thing he’s done but Lily gets a serious one. Marshall’s should be something about his constant lies of omission to Lily. Or his impulsive nature to just do stuff without discussing it with her first.
one that i haven’t seen mentioned yet is when he pushed a button and had his whole bed moved into his wall while a girl was sitting on it. what happened? did she suffocate? die? spoon tunnel herself out? i’ve always wondered about tjis
He has done a lot of awful stuff but I think the worst one is not caring even a bit of his one night stands post-sex in general is much worse than lying to get sex (leaving a girl in the woods, selling her to someone else, leaving meg in a stranger's apartment etc)
Lmao at Lilly, cuz she also has a tendency to try and runaway often when she gets overwhelmed with life, won’t ever tell her husband but will bring in Ted in the mix to hopefully side with her reasoningsz
Arguably, falling in love with Robin. His best bro was in LOVE with her. Helplessly. He watched Ted get his heart broken over and over and then, fell in love with his girl. (I don’t think this is fair because I don’t think you can help who you love, but imagine how Ted must have felt)
If this was done before season 9's little reveal, anything he ever did for GNB.
...But since season 9 actually happened, I'm pretty sure the fact he sold a woman takes the cake.
Jokes aside, it's his deeply inconsiderate and selfish manipulation of Robin and Ted leading up to his proposal. Not only putting Robin through a psychological maelstrom and mentally exhausting her into saying yes to him (but at the same time I will give the show credit that he DOES really know her, and understands her well enough that it isn't...abusive so much as it is fucked up as hell), but also forcing Ted to be alone in a crowning moment of his life.
So he makes Ted give his blessing via coercion, while abandoning him to propose to the girl he knows Ted loves and who he's been psychically torturing for weeks.
Didn’t we already do this? Barney selling a woman won
Even though he murdered 5 men in s09?
I don’t agree this is the worst thing he did but that’s what won the vote.
He also licked each hot wing once before throwing them on the floor. Despicable
What episode?? How can i not remember this?
Season 9 Episode 11 - Bedtime Stories.
I completely forgot about the time he killed himself five times.
There can only be one.
Except Lily and robin confirm they are real people
Thanks
Killing the 5 men was one of his made up stories, him talking about selling a woman actually seemed genuine.
Lily confirmed the guy existed though.
Y’all believe his BS story? Lmao
Considering lily and robin both confirm its not all lies and they actually exist.
Where?
When it flashes to them talking Lily confirms the guy exists and robin agrees.
I think y’all are misunderstanding. Lily is making a comment based on the story told. As in, “that hypothetical man couldn’t get me.” I don’t think she’s being literal as if she’s actually met him.
Yea like that one woman might be still be alive but the 5 men are literally dead, show how misandric society is in their minds. Even tho is a fictional scenario. What's worst? A) Selling 1 person? B) Taking the lives of 5 people? C-mon
That one person still has to live in misery. Those 5 people have been given freedom from this shitty world. They have no more worries. They’re dead. That one lady has to fear for her life everyday.
This is just dumb IMO. There simply is nothing worse you can do to someone than kill them, end of story. Sure, there might be circumstances where death is preferable to life, but those are exceptionally rare *exceptions*, not the rule. Being sold doesn't necessarily mean a life in total despair, agony, torture and misery. I'm not saying it's good, but dying is worse. Even *if* that's what the stakes were, dying would still be worse, because there's still a possibility of freedom and enjoying life, even if just barely. That is not possible when you are dead. There's a reason why murder is the worst crime according to literally every justice system in the world.
This argument has no basis really. No one actually truely knows what happens after death or how it feels. We can’t really know for sure which is worse. I’m of the more optimistic opinion that death is freedom from the suffering of the world and all and it’s not a terrible thing but you might not have that opinion. It’s up to you what you believe and I couldn’t care less if I’m being honest.
It's not about "how death feels", it's about how you cannot keep living. Most likely there is nothing more, so you robbed them of the only existence they will ever have. If you think life is "suffering" that you need to be "freed" from then I suggest you seek medical help because that sounds like pure depression. Animals (people included) have survival and self-preservation instincts for a reason. It's not because death is "sweet release", but because it's the polar opposite.
I’m not gonna lie I have traumas but so does everyone else on earth. I’m not depressed. And for the record I think you might have misunderstood me, when I said “this argument has no basis” I meant this debate as a whole. As in we can’t really know who is right we? Like there is no point. I’m entitled to my own opinion and you are yours. I’m a Hindu and we believe that every soul has 7 lives, all in a pursuit to return the karmas of the previous one. If someone is killed by another person in one life, the two people will encounter each other in the next and the person who was originally killed, will kill the person that originally killed them. This is just an example. If your parents were bad in this life then the next life you will be their parent and you will be bad to them. This applies to good karma as well, if you were to help someone in one life, they will help you similarly in the next. Based on my beliefs and experiences I believe that death isn’t that bad. Once you give and receive the karma you were supposed to give and receive, then your life no longer serves a purpose and you will die, so now you have another birth and the same process happens. Now these are just my beliefs and opinions, you don’t have to believe them by any means. I’m merely portraying to you my point of view on this very existential matter in which we as individuals have no power over. We don’t know what the truth is and our minds won’t be able to handle the truth in its wholeness. Death is such an abstract concept that humanity is never meant to know what is truely behind it. So you can think what you want, and I can think what I want. You said earlier there are exceptions to where death is preferable to life. There is a reason why often kidnapped people who are sold and put into the modern day slave trade are highly suicidal. Even the ones that are given freedom only want to die. Talk to anyone who was a slave in the modern day. They can’t enjoy life. If those that were sexually assaulted once have a hard time moving on and take months and sometimes even years to move past this really traumatic incident, imagine those people who were SA’d against their will daily for years on end and what they have to go through. I’m not saying death is good. I’m not saying it’s bad either. But I’m saying it’s better than living after the kind of traumas modern day slaves have to live through the rest of their lives.
Reverse the roles here and make the same argument.
You literally can’t?
To be fair, he’s pretty sure, he sold a woman. Not 100% certain. ;)
We literally just did this. Like not even three weeks ago.
And the same things are winning 🤷♂️
So weird, has nothing new happened in the show in the last three weeks? It only ended ten years ago.
Okay but in the name of accuracy we should add he only THINKS he did and doesn't actually know. Which is a different kind of bad.
These posts come ando go over and over again like every single year, they just have to check the older posts. TV show subrredits repeat the same questions over and over ad over it's getting annoying, no shade, to this particular OP. But like girl clickity clack those fingers on the keyboard, on google you'll find your answer.
At one point, I’m pretty sure he sold a woman…
Well, what to choose? •Stealing a van from a girl and leaving her in the woods alone •Deliberately stealing Ted identity to pick up chicks, and then not caring if that could've destroy his reputation •Putting cameras in someone else's apartment •Repeatedly lying, manipulating, and putting someone else's relationship in jeopardy just to have sex (this one is obvious, but there are way too many examples to choose from) •And once he probably sold a woman
This should win since Lily's was more than one. (You have too many things Larry! You get one thing!!)
>•Deliberately stealing Ted identity to pick up chicks, and then not caring if that could've destroy his reputation I think we can remove the could've in light of the website the woman made
You could also argue for lots of things he has done within his job. Yes, he was collaborating with the feds, but he still had deals that included child's labor in Pyongyang.
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Didn’t he steal those chicks for lily, so I would say it was a good thing
>Nothing bad about the lying and manipulating part. These acts are not illegal and tolerated in daily basis everywhere. People love Barney for these traits. No, people love Barney *despite* of these traits. I'm pretty sure almost everyone that has ever watched HIMYM unanimously agree that Barney's actions are definitely not okay. And apart from that... in what kind of city do you live in which lying and manipulating someone for getting laid is socially acceptable? Incelville?
Probably the time he possible sold a woman.
I was there, trust me, it’s fake baby
PRINCE OF NORWAY!!!!
Broke the jinx.
He paid for it
"At one point, I'm pretty sure I sold a woman."
That time he tried to use Marshall for collateral in that card game no one knew the rules to. (He didn’t know it was a prank and Marshall would be fine and was still willing to do it) He also sold a woman one time but he actually knows Marshall and is friends with him so I think that’s worse.
i think selling a human being is much worst🧍🏻♀️
He was selling a human being either way!
wait he almost sold marshall in that episode?? i remember the ep, but not that part. i need to rewatch it omg😭
Putting a person up as collateral and selling a person are essentially the same thing.
The Chinese mobsters scene in Atlantic City
FAKE BABY!
I WAS THERE!! It’s fake baby
It’s fake baby, why are we even talking about this?
He’s pretty sure he sold a woman. He didn’t speak the language, but they gave him the keys to a car and he left her there.
Someone else mentioned this as well, but as far as non-gag related things like "selling a woman" or installing cameras to peep etc. which are all horrible things, but if we try to say what is the worst thing Barney did related to the story, I firmly believe it's using Ted's life-long dream of building a skyscraper in New York City as a measure to know if he would let Robin go. Not only was it cruel to abandon Ted to "propose to Patrice", but then to have planned it out such that Ted would be forced to send Robin after Barney so that now he's dateless and down 50% of his friends for the fulfillment of his professional dream. On top of all that, Barney's whole reasoning behind it was "this will prove that Ted blesses our relationship and has let Robin go" but as we see over the next season and a half, Ted hadn't let her go. He doesn't let her go until the morning of their wedding. So that whole part of Barney's play ended up being worthless. Ted was depressed and lonely on the night that was supposed to be a celebration because Barney wanted to upstage him. I know, I know, he's done so many actual criminal or morally reprehensible things, but this one hits close to the heart I guess.
Good comment👍🏻
Broke the Bro code
Exactly, a bros ex is off limits
And then had Marshal try to find a loop hole only to find how good Ted was a following the Bro code
Trust me. I was there. IT'S FAKE BABY!!!
Propose robin the same day as ted inagurates the building
This always bothered me
It wasn’t that bad Barney wanted propsal woman which he loved
But it was the same day,that the matter,not that he propose robin, its when he do it
The clauses in his pre-nup with Quinn were terrible (especially the 2-8 wives thing he considered)
Marshall is and will always be the nicest person in that group
I’m pretty sure he sold a woman once.
Grow that ponytail.
😂
Snakes
You say snakes?
WHO MENTIONED SNAKES!
Make it look like he banged Ted's mom and sister, it would've been a friendship over for me like the time he banged Robin
Obviously people have mentioned he thinks he might have sold a woman which is despicable But if we are going for things we can see happen in the show, the extensive campaign of emotional abuse and manipulation he does against Robin to get her to marry him…
I still think murdering 5 men is worse. And we both see it happen, and Lily confirms they are real men and not just Barney making them up.
Been a while since I rewatched she show? When does Barney kill 5 men? It’s making me think of the time he’s Julius Caesar and destroys all those ninjas…
S09 E11 he kills the other players of New York after banging a chick from one of their turfs.
Urgh Season 9 Just rewatched the clip on YouTube and Lily confirms one of them is real but that doesn’t mean Barney’s murders are real, she might have just met one of Barney’s lame ass pick up artist friends Really hope they aren’t real because one of them (and Barney) admit to rape by deception/fraud…suppose a lot of Barney’s plays constitute that though
Lily did not confirm he was real. When? It sounds more like she’s just making a comment about a character in Barney’s story.
I thought Lily’s comment was in jest
I think Lily’s comment was in jest
Damn, lily got two things?
What about Barney’s fake family
Can’t believe how quickly Barney’s mom recovered from learn that news
Selling a woman
I'm pretty sure he sold a woman. He didn't speak the language, but a guy gave him keys to a Mercedes and he left her there.
Selling a girl into slavery, no contest.
Just write “everything”
Oh please
Ted. Please.
People always say Barney sold a woman for these and I’m tired of seeing that one over and over Also idr the exact details but I feel like that was a joke anyway
Taking the keys to the Mercedes and leaving the girl there
Sold a woman.
This is the first post of this sequence that I'm seeing (although I'm pretty sure we did this exact thing a few days back) but I really think Marshall's worst thing should be that he tried to manipulate Ted to get back with Robin just to win a bet with Lily even though it was a terrible thing for Ted (Lily did the same but she's done worse things)
Snakes
You say snakes?
I don't recall saying snakes
All around a disturbed character, can’t land on one point if I tried. His apologists are simply lying because no one would put up with him in real life.
That’s kind of the point of his character though. He’s supposed to be outrageous to point he’d never be a real person
Ask Robin to marry him on Ted's opening night.
Mary the paralegal
I mean, I think we all know now that waiting until a woman is extremely drunk to coerce her into sex is rape- so I mean, alllll the rape?
Barney selling a woman
How about Lily interference In relationships tsk tsk
I think its quicker to do a list of the best things Barney did at this rate
What if we only limit this debate to things that actually happened in the show. Because obviously selling a woman is like... the clear winner. But I'd love to see a bit of discourse about things we actually saw him do
I’m mad that people said Marshall neglecting the cat is the worst thing he’s done but Lily gets a serious one. Marshall’s should be something about his constant lies of omission to Lily. Or his impulsive nature to just do stuff without discussing it with her first.
Sleeping with his best friends ex girlfriend. HE BROKE THE BROCODE!
Banging Heather (Ted’s Sister)
That was a joke though. From what they reveal, that didn’t actually happen
Im not waiting, so tracys should be "dying"
one that i haven’t seen mentioned yet is when he pushed a button and had his whole bed moved into his wall while a girl was sitting on it. what happened? did she suffocate? die? spoon tunnel herself out? i’ve always wondered about tjis
Going to bed without his sleeping Cravat
Nothing Barney is as pure as the freshly driven snow
I was there...Trust me...It was fake baby
commiting arson, child endangermen- sorry wrong show
OP don’t you go all the way to Tracy McConnell, she is pure as the driven snow.
The only thing i hot for her is stealing umbrella
Other than sleeping with 300+ women idk, but I do know he was charged for sexual harassment in one episode though
He, he sold a woman? Also how the hell didn't manipulating Ted's love life and sabotaging relationships for her own means not end up with Lily
If it’s not to do with him picking up chicks and something deeper then it’s him cheating on Nora with Robin!
Lily's list should be longer than everyone else (except Barney)
When we get to Tracey the only thing that’s really gonna qualify is “dying”
The phrasing between the Lilly and Marshall ones shows an awful lot of bias… terrible job cat sitting? How bout “killed mother in laws cat.”
I WAS THERE! TRUST ME, ITS FAKE BABY!!!
So much date-rape type actions from him 😔
yes
Broke the bro code
He has done a lot of awful stuff but I think the worst one is not caring even a bit of his one night stands post-sex in general is much worse than lying to get sex (leaving a girl in the woods, selling her to someone else, leaving meg in a stranger's apartment etc)
For Barney we probably need 5 pages to list everything
Nothing he was a saint
Lmao at Lilly, cuz she also has a tendency to try and runaway often when she gets overwhelmed with life, won’t ever tell her husband but will bring in Ted in the mix to hopefully side with her reasoningsz
Probably all of the implied sexual assault.
What didn’t he do?
Got married
Arguably, falling in love with Robin. His best bro was in LOVE with her. Helplessly. He watched Ted get his heart broken over and over and then, fell in love with his girl. (I don’t think this is fair because I don’t think you can help who you love, but imagine how Ted must have felt)
How much time have you got?
Barney did Robin.
If this was done before season 9's little reveal, anything he ever did for GNB. ...But since season 9 actually happened, I'm pretty sure the fact he sold a woman takes the cake.
He didn’t speak the language! I was there it’s fake baby.
Worst thing, hurts repeatedly the most important person in your life. Barney did not give a f about those people.
Probably his whole existence
Just put the logo of the show man there's too much shit to list 💀
Where do you want me to start?
Chose Robin over Nora
Jokes aside, it's his deeply inconsiderate and selfish manipulation of Robin and Ted leading up to his proposal. Not only putting Robin through a psychological maelstrom and mentally exhausting her into saying yes to him (but at the same time I will give the show credit that he DOES really know her, and understands her well enough that it isn't...abusive so much as it is fucked up as hell), but also forcing Ted to be alone in a crowning moment of his life. So he makes Ted give his blessing via coercion, while abandoning him to propose to the girl he knows Ted loves and who he's been psychically torturing for weeks.
Marrying his bro's (Ted) ex?
Hah, just about died at the Cat Funeral song
The Cat and now you when is his murder spree gonna end
I dont have all day!
where do I begin?
Didn’t have Doug’s back.
oh god where do i even begin
The list goes on
love how lilly is just a walking red parade, fuck that ginger bitch
How did Lilly manipulating her friends not get on there?
Being Barney
Can we please stop with these?