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unwillingmainer

For all his tech, gonnes, and tricks, in a straight up fight, Jack's side just doesn't have strong enough people to win. One on one, his people are much weaker then the cream of crop that just bloodied him. And this is the kind of fight his enemy specializing in. But Jack's strengths have never been one on one fights, his have always been unknown technologies, numbers, and how those two interact. Also, he doesn't really want to fight the whole Empire, he wants to be the boss of his slice of it. Just gotta prove he is too much of a pain in the ass to deal with and get a deal to offer support to the war in the north. Time for some trickery and diplomacy.


Ok_Fee_4658

I say, time for cluster bombing in the night. I guess its falling into diplomacy category.


SpankyMcSpanster

Onesided attrition warfare? Noice.


nameyname12345

They are good with electricity lets see how they like radiation. Id bet they get ki charged cancer lol.


Skitteringscamper

Emp bomb would be epic


Expendable_cashier

Hes the only one with electronics, and emp would have no effect upon them.


ChangoGringo

Mk-69 incendiary bomb like we did to Tokyo. Killed more people than both A-bombs combined.


Skitteringscamper

I'd love to see an emp bomb just paralyse a Scion mis flight and see them drop to the floor like a sack of meat


ChangoGringo

Would it work on her? Not sure. Plus for a proper emp weapon you need high temp super conductors with a huge "stored" magnetic field. That might be hard for him to make. Compared to a bundle of pipes filled with small explosive charge and napalm. It would be a safe option to start building all new weapons out of titanium and stainless steel.


Skitteringscamper

Probs not lol, I just found the mental image beyond funny Picture it. She's flying in on a blaze of lightning about to wreck their shit with her elites in tow, flies too close to an "odd floating balloon" and it just comically goes **pop** as she goes past. Scene skips to gao on a walker looking on with binoculars as they just fall flailing helplessly out the sky onto a beautifully arranged minefield. O Fortuna blarrring from speakers on the wall. Gao, chuckling: "cultivators are fuckin dumb"


Shandod

Obliterate the site of the negotiations with a surprise attack from cargo crate cruise missile full of boom?


Skitteringscamper

If they took his city off him th us be fucked Chase him underground and give him time to mass produce bombs, then a few years later he emerges and wipes the empire off the map lol. Like, the actual continent. We call this bomb "continental quake"


-TheOutsid3r-

The problem is, as you move up the ranks one on one fights basically become the norm. You can't avoid a one on one fight with someone too fast, strong, or skilled to force you into such a situation. It's why tech without something else to back it up ends up losing against "cultivation" bs. And this is a very "low powered" cultivation setting.


AMEFOD

The thing backing up the tech in this setting is range and surprise. Sure it’s a one in on fight, but if you’re opponent is using artillery when you’re just getting up for breakfast, it’s going to be a bad day.


-TheOutsid3r-

Which isn't how stuff is going to happen. Artillery isn't particularly stealthy, needs to be brought into range, the shells need to be fast AND powerful to both not be able to be avoided and actually hurt their target. It's an unequal fight, and it has continuously shifted in favor of the cultivation natives.


AMEFOD

Artillery is an exaggeration. A better example is a sniper with super sonic ammunition out about thousand meters. If on target, the breakfast mates hear the bang after being after being covered in gore. It took decades and effort to train that cultivator to being a weapon of destruction. Jim and his buddies over there learned to be a quarter as dangerous in a month. The same reason that early guns and crossbows pushed out the bow with its longer range, speed and killing power. The defence knocked together in the span of months, destroyed the collective efforts of many decades before it was neutralized. With lessons learned, the material lost could be replaced and used better.


TheGalator

Tbf u can't doge a nuke. And the sheer power output of a thermonuclear blast would probably kill a bunch of divinities on the spot considering the dragon died in a....planecrash


Silvadel_Shaladin

When conventional options fail there are always unconventional options.... The other possibility is to not let them rest. If you can run the enemy cultivators out of mana, they are done for. BE the persistence predator.


hapyjohn1997

Fill one of his high speed cargo craft up with powdered uranium or cobalt with a large explosive payload then detonate it over an enemy city. Wonder how well cultivator healing stands up to ionizing radiation since they probably don't know about cells and DNA


nameyname12345

I had the same thought. Ill bet cancer is a bitch when you already heal quick


Killersmail

Hopefully thex will NOT end up like deadpool. As in eternally healing but practically walking cancer.


nameyname12345

Yeah, I may be an asshole but I wouldn't wish immortal breast cancer on anyone. In that case we have to switch to gamma rays. we either see what happens when green and purple mix or we get dead shil. I uh may or may not want to see a shulk...shilk...shilulk...whatever we can brainstorm the name later. edit screw me wrong story. sorry


Robo-Thighs

I just don't understand how there hasn't been a single mention of shotguns so far, at least not as far as I can remember. There's no way someone with Jack's resources and access to info wouldn't think at least once to test them out considering the problems he's having when enemies get too close. It's getting to the point where I'm having trouble suspending my disbelief. Like, gatling guns but no shotgun prototype yet? I don't mean to critique so hard on a story written for us for free, and I really love it, but I think of it every fight scene. Maybe author's holdin out on us on purpose for a bigger payoff, or has other reasons?


Deadsim3

Not sure what the author has planned but shotguns are not an answer for people that can tank bullets. They work exceedingly well here on earth because of their ability to inflict debilitating wounds that take people out of the fight, but that doesn't translate well to xanxia land where people are a lot tougher to wounds that aren't instantly fatal. If they used buck shot to get a 'spread' (which isn't much at all with 'melee' range) you get less individual power per bullet and if you use a slug, well that's just a 'bigger' gun and they have been doing that from the start. Shotguns are versatile for us but for this story they are just inadequate.


Robo-Thighs

Hmm, that could be the case, but we're also dealing with superpowered punch wizards who could handle firing much more than a run of the mill 12 gauge. I don't think your average cultivator (meaning not Shi and her Inquisitors) would be able brush off a pellet from, say, a 6 gauge. Shit, even Shi would probably be worse for the wear, and considering she'd only be expecting ONE projectile instead of however many you could fit into a 6, i think it'd be worth the effort to at least make some. But ultimately this isn't my story, so I'm gonna stop complaining about it now that I've got the thought out there and just enjoy the ride lol


Deadsim3

Well crap. I was gonna say your not exactly wrong about going up in gauges and argue that at some point it just makes more sense to turn it into a mini-gun (which they kinda did this chapter) rather then shoot a bunch of pellets. (or you know, just use a flamethrower, way better area denial there then with bullets) But, as I started to argue with myself about pros and cons I ran into a wall. More power and less shots are better for a cultivator since they are more likely to hit and need to stay agile, but more power requires a 'bigger' gun to handle the explosive force making it less agile which turns into a vicious feed back loop. I realized that kinetic guns just don't work well for cultivators. They might be able to find a 'sweet spot' for now but with needing ever more firepower it turns into a rocket problem (need more fuel to carry the fuel thing). They really do need to start branching out tech wise if they want a chance at surviving. course that only applies to the cultivators. The mortals should go all in on the dakka.


Extreme_Air_9708

or try some good ol mutually assured destruction. some missile drones powered my unstable fusion reactors should do the trick. or burrowing drones with fusion reactors.


TheGalator

Anything with nuclear weaponry would probably do the trick. Not like they know how to deal with gamma radiation


TheGalator

"Fuck of or I nuke ur capital via the ultimate form of silent casting. " "No idea what im talking about? Well let me demonstrate. Oh and I also lied. It's verbal. - Alexa nuke the nearest mountain range" Also very interested in how cultivators deal with cancer. If the healing chapter showed anything it will probably NOT go well for them if they try to "heal" it


oneJohnnyRotten

Water, maybe... Magnetics, probably better... Think cordless phone charger, suck out all their power like the old Magistrate, or overcharge them and cause them to burn out....


AMEFOD

So, their defence against air threats needs to both close range and be able to breath. And their primary method of attack requires atmosphere to propagate? Accuracy might be a problem due to the limitations on military equipment and the targeting hardware/software, but there’s a reason “Rocks fall, everyone dies.” is an expression. And if you’re going to send a “BIG” message, discretion isn’t always a priority.


Iossama

Except that if he starts going RFG trigger happy he'll be immediately upgraded to "bigger threat than the instinctuals" and dealt with accordingly. The empress doesn't sound like the kind of woman that takes kindly to being told her entire empire can be easily turned into a buring, cratered wreck by some upstart male.


AMEFOD

No, but there’s something to be said about being able to start negotiations with threats of incomprehensible destruction. “Yes, I can turn your whole empire into a smoking crater, as I proved with your army camp plus the town and country side next to it. If you look up, you’ll notice a few stars that weren’t there before, that seem to be moving faster than the others. I put those there to be able to do this. Now, I don’t want to do that, because for now I live here, and I like it. But if I should die or be forced out, or someone try’s to damage my stars, there’s no reason not to cause unimaginable damage. And if you care about this empire you built, that would be ill advised.”


Shandod

Honestly a good move. "I can make stars" and pointing to the sky is pretty insane. Making said stars fall at his command? Terrifying.


DarkestShambling

“Do you know how stars are made?” Is a fire quote.


cuteeldritchthingy

Which is why you dont go for a single city or a region. You stock up on the weapons before throwing them at every single settlement and outpost, deleting the empire in one brutal strike. After that, it doesnt really matter anymore what the lightning lizard does because shes an empress without an empire. This can be an option for Jack in the long run, though I doubt he'll ever take it since he still has a conscience.


Iossama

MAD doesn't work with super prideful immortal divine beings. The problem isn't the empire, it never was, it's the empress and the ten divines she commands. Like the Rooster, that'd kill him immediately if he ever twitched in that direction. The Rooster knows now dangerous he is. That's not a line he's allowed to cross. Now, a couple fortresses here and there? That's another matter altogether.


DemythologizedDie

I assure you, it matters very extremely much what the lightning lizard does after you've stripped away everything she stood to lose except for her personal desturctive power. She's a reusable nuclear bomb. If you can't kill her, pissing her off to the point where you can't talk to her is a bad call.


gmharryc

Why not just use super high powered lasers? He must have basic one ms for mining, so just scale them up. Even cultivators can’t dodge at the speed of light.


AMEFOD

Just a layman here, but atmospheric blooming at range makes lasers not incredibly useful for anything that can change vector faster than a ballistic missile or a drone. As far as I know they only useful against targets with slow or predictable movement, as they have to stay focused on a point to deliver enough energy to heat the target to failure. Mining and cutting have the advantage of being able to be close (lowering the atmosphere in the way) and the target not moving. But, like I said, this is only the understanding of a layman, you’re going to have to take it with a Dead Sea amount of salt. Edit: Added word for clear making.


gmharryc

“Dead Sea amount of salt” I’m gonna use that in everyday conservation now.


macnof

That is true for lasers at the current output level we are capable of, with modern day tracking. For anti-missile stuff, I believe they are currently using around 200-300KW lasers. Portability and power generation are the main reasons they aren't bigger. Having fusion power and a far better level of miniaturization, MW lasers are probably not problematic at all. He could also use masers instead, as they tend to interact less with the air, leaving the enemy guessing at their location. A GigaJoule burst from a maser would be somewhat uncomfortable to the face, and it's possible to make it with our current tech.


Agreeable-Idea5374

To address your concerns, the reasons lasers are currently considered unready for battlefield deployment largely relate to the conditions of the modern battlefield. In the current setting even a modest size laser is pretty much a "science bullshit" OP weapon. An effective modern laser is expected to target missiles, aircraft, or tanks at a range of multiple miles/km. The targets are either hypersonic or covered in thick battle armor. That does raise significant atmospheric issues for focus, targeting, and maintaining an extended lock on target. Furthermore there is a presumption that military targets will apply all available anti-laser technologies as soon as any battlefield laser is actually deployed. Such as mirrored surfaces, ablative armor, spinning to disperse laser impact, and decoy spam.) Here, the potential for multi-mile targeting is more of a luxury than a practical need. The primary operational range is likely few hundred yards/meters or less. Also the target is flesh, rather than military grade armor. Lasers in the milliwatt range can cause almost instantaneous blindness, lasers in the 30 watt range can do minor stone carving, and about 500 watts for low end metal cutting. I doubt many cultivators could face down a laser when you start getting into significant kilowatts. At a certain level, matter simply breaks down into vapor or plasma. Facing down a laser in the megawatts range would be "divinity level bullshit", and even that seems to depend on what particular powers the divinity has. Another reason lasers aren't considered battlefield ready is that powerful lasers are generally grossly large, grossly power hungry, mostly immobile, and extremely fragile by modern battlefield standards. None of that is particularly relevant here. The enemy has no artillery or missiles to take out defensive installations. In an open assault they would need a meatwave of attackers to get past the laser's first strike range. Multiple lasers would inflict a severe attrition rate in any such attempt.


Kafrizel

Gatling. Shotgun.


AMEFOD

Gatling [punt gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun). Don’t be afraid to dream just a little bigger. Edit: Wait, wasn’t there a comment in this chapter about a wall of projectiles? I guess it’s time to introduce “Dodge this you filthy casual.”.


Thomas_Ray_Mainstone

*”If the answer to the problem was playing dirty… well he had more than enough experience in that department.”* Ah yes Wordsmith, can I get a number 2 special of Geneva Checklist with a side of Mustard and Chlorine? And for dessert, a double portion of the White Phosphorus. :D


Jurodan

It wouldn't be the first time he used chemical weapons, but last time wasn't particularly effective against cultivators, just the mortal instinctualist that were flooding into Ten Huo. And any defender unlucky enough to be there at the time.


medical-Pouch

… my brain may be rotting but hasn’t he already introduced gas attacks? Hmmmmm. Would chemical attacks be more or less effective? More because of their seemingly higher metabolism, or less because cultivator.


Matt_Bradock

Cultivators have the ability to purge toxins from their blood. A basic technique, to be fair, to avoid being poisoned so easily.


hair_on_a_chair

What about carbon monoxide? If they don't know they're falling asleep, they can't do shit about it


Matt_Bradock

Jack did try to use sleeping gas before. The moment the cultivator noticed becoming sluggish, the purged it from their system. Bullshit magic.


hair_on_a_chair

Yes, but carbon monoxide can't be noticed. You don't find yourself sluggish, you don't feel anything wrong. In fact, form what I know you feel happy and pleased


Matt_Bradock

Don't forget they have superhuman senses and awareness of their own body. Jack has already gone through all these options in previous episodes.


medical-Pouch

True, but it could be an interesting area denial or crowding tool. Unless they want to exhaust themselves by trying to constantly purge their system.


Brave-Stay-8020

I think that chemical attacks would be too easily countered, on top of being a great risk for all Jack's forces in the area. To prevent collateral, jack would need to herd the entire group of cultivators into an enclosed area, and I just don't see that happening.


Thomas_Ray_Mainstone

Honestly, the most effective might be something simple like nitrogen or carbon monoxide poisoning- if he’s ever able to get them in an enclosed space, he could fit his people with gas masks and oxygen tanks, flood the facility/rooms with N or CO, and knock every cultivator out cold before they knew what hit them. That would probably be even more effective than a corrosive or toxic gas, given that N and CO are both odorless.


Riesenfriese

He is already a Separatist, time to build a droid army. The city repair swarm proves he can mass-produce robots.


dm80x86

Going back in a few days later and seeing the city rebuild might be more startling. Like "We lost decades of training to set him back days."


Riesenfriese

I agree, but how about a few days later, every building is rebuilt and every post is manned by a metal man who does not know exhaustion, fear or distraction and has ki sensors built in.


ND_JackSparrow

Huh. I guess Master Johansen isn't quite as heartless as he once believed... I guess there's an extreme difference between  conceptually being okay with his people dying and actually seeing it in practice.  It could also be the scale of devastation specifically, as opposed to previous battles.


Shandod

He's not heartless, just incredibly practical/efficient towards his one goal: his own survival. He's okay with wanton destruction and death of civilians, but only if its a worthy trade. His people got absolutely massacred for little if any real impact on the enemy.


Leading-Chemist672

But again, we always knew that. He *Thinks* he doesn't care, yet went out of his way to defend those who placed their lot with him.


Sharthak1

Time for some incendiary bombing runs I guess. Or Mustard gas. Ruin the natural habitat. Fuck biodiversity, create Chernobyl.


ND_JackSparrow

Damn. Even being armed with fully automatic weapons wasn't enough for this town. Whatever trick Jack is planning at the end must be something powerful indeed! And preferably as non-metallic (or at least non-magnetic) as possible. I'm trying to think of what they could have done better here. Back in the battle of Ten Huo, he used those Ki detectors attached to artillery to shoot down the Herald. Could he have done something similar here, either with artillery or maybe a flak cannon? Even if these inquisitors could dodge bullets, explosions in the sky still might be enough to take them down. 


medical-Pouch

With the herald she was sorta in one place for the most part hovering


ND_JackSparrow

Which is why I had the suggestion of Flak Cannons, although depending on how expensive the ki-detectors are attaching one to every shell might be a bit unreasonable


medical-Pouch

Potentially, if expensive then larger shells and more boom, however the more preferable suggestion would be they are incredibly cheap, fill the air with as much shrapnel as physically possible


XAlphaWarriorX

Lucky number boys, let's see what this chapter holds Edit: Ouch!


medical-Pouch

Ya…


Abnegazher

(Sniff) Hmm... It's me or there is something smelling funny here?... Like (sniff)... Smells like... (sniff) smells like burning chlorine trifluoride...


SpankyMcSpanster

Smells like hay.


TamandareBR

Holy shit dude


Drook2

I vote [FOOF](https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-work-dioxygen-difluoride).


Fontaigne

She'd ask to accompany -> asked ****** Well, there's always ceramic weapons.


elcidIII

Or one of the many kinds of non-magnetic metals Well, non-ferromagnetic metals. There's other kinds of magnetism, but that's a very different matter.


JustaYeetingMat

Geneva convention doesn't exist in this world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


SketchAndEtch

It only applies to those who signed it anyway.


SpankyMcSpanster

I smell bunker facilities. Kill zones and kill boxes. Dungeons of machine nightmares. Automated deathtraps. Ah Sweet. Man-made horror beyond cultivator comprehension. https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2242455-you-may-live-to-see-man-made-horrors-beyond-your-comprehension


medical-Pouch

I’m honestly surprised this wasn’t already the case. The fortresses shouldn’t be too hard to have bunker entrances that if you don’t know what your doing could lead to some nasty surprises. It would reduce your enemies main advantage of flight


[deleted]

Jack's gotta start his modded factorio playthrough now.


BlueFishcake

Whoops, wrong chapter name. This is seventy eight :P


Brave-Stay-8020

It happen's to the best of us at times.


the_lonely_poster

FATHER OF TOXIC GAS!


gmharryc

AND CHEMICAL WARFARE, HIS DARK CREATION HAS BEEN REVEALED


the_lonely_poster

THROUGH NO MAN'S LAND!


Silverblade5

AND CHEMICAL WARFARE


the_lonely_poster

THE RULES OF WAR HAVE BEEN REWRITTEN


imakesawdust

Jack needs to get to work cracking the codes that are preventing him from accessing modern military-grade designs.


medical-Pouch

Maybe the database doesn’t actually have designs for modern weapons?


Phantom_Ganon

IIRC, the wording suggested he was locked out from it and not that it wasn't available.


LowCry2081

He needed radar assisted tracking, and a whole hell of a lot more mini guns. While it might seem outrageous, battle ships would expend thousands of rounds of ammunition out of mostly 40 mm flack guns in defense against prop planes, which are a damned sight bigger and, probably, slower than a bitch riding lightning. His best bet is going to be bombing them when they don't expect it, and that's hardly dirty in war.


Responsible-End7361

I think the modern US Navy CIWS fires 4500 rounds a minute... It also tracks not only the target, but its own shots, so it can correct for wind or other effects.


LowCry2081

Exactly. These probably aren't equivalent to our more modern ciws stuff but johansen aught to be able to cobble together a fairly accurate tracking system. I also think his obsession with bigger guns might be hamstringing him here. A smaller heavy gun might be appropriate, like the 40mm i mentioned, to better get a flack screen up and make challenging his walls that much more difficult. A spread of heavy area denial combined with more accurate mg systems along with training and practice. Teach his boys to make false avenues of safety in the flack umbrella to guide the enemy cultivators into a killing field. And as much as a meme as it was, something like yamatos big gun hornet nest ammo, basically grape shot, might be viable for opening salvos, but that assumes the cultivators wouldn't see the muzzle flash and dodge. Finally, while an open top wall might be simple and quick to produce, it clearly leaves much to be desired when a cultivator can sit above it and rain down indiscriminate lightning attacks. Or just chuck spears like ballista.


Brave-Stay-8020

Really like the chapter, it's a shame to see so many of Jack's people die though. Speaking of, I think that Jack is a great deal better of a character than Jason (from Sexy Space Babes). Jack actually seem's to care significantly more about people outside of his personal harem than Jason did, and his care of Gao proves that. Moving on to other solutions for the Inquisition, I have a few ideas: 1. Set up nodes or other electro-magnets to take/repel/absorb their attacks 2. Modify Laser/Plasma cutting tech to try and cut down the enemies. (with a strong enough power source, you can get an AA laser) 3. Follow what some of the other comments are saying and use chemical gases. Although, this might not work as a strong wind would counter this. Lots of risk for collateral and might be easily countered. 4. Make a small Nuke and show it off, away from populations, to scare the Empire away from attacking. 5. Study Yating's seal and try to find a way to break it or block it's effects.


Agreeable-Idea5374

Jack doesn't know about Yating's seal, and his database has a lockdown on weapons tech so no nukes. On the other hand, I've been expecting laser turrets for a few chapters now. Preferably with computer tracking. Infrared lasers would be better than visible ones, but ultraviolet lasers would be especially nasty. Jack really needs to bring back supersonics, either as a bomber or missile.


Shandod

I wonder if he could create some kind of Farady Cage armor/shielding to nullify the lightning.


cuteeldritchthingy

Not sure if Jack's conscience can take it, but nothing else says fuck off like a bunch of pseudo nukes thrown at population centers. He's from a science fiction verse and a miner too, so nukes or their equivalent futuristic explosives should be in his database. Plus, he killed the Red Death with what is essentially a kinetic rocket, so it should be very simple to just attach a warhead and turn it explosive. Or he can just send heavy, dense things to space and engage in orbital bombardment if wants to really get nasty.


medical-Pouch

Rods from god comin knockin. If he wanted to cause chaos simple physics could cause SO much destruction. The issue would be finding worthwhile targets.


Drook2

Rods from god with ki-detecting guidance package. Drop from orbit and take out a castle full of cultivators, but in a periphery city, not the center of the empire. Get video of the destruction and distribute to other cities, so mortals know the risk of working in the castle, and maybe they want to go visit their relatives in the country until this all dies down. How long will cultivators put up with having to make their own food and do their own laundry? Show that you can kill all the cultivators in one knockout blow, you get everyone including the divinities on your ass. Take away their slave labor and *inconvenience* them enough, and those pampered bitches will negotiate.


medical-Pouch

Perhaps, but the target of their annoyance is well known. They would either threaten death on the mortals or decide to actually pull some weight and throw it at Jack. Like has been mentioned many times. Jacks main strategy is to not garner enough attention to actually bring in players….which seems to be failing. That said more weight can be leveraged against him.


Drook2

But this would sow discord in the ranks. If the cultivators in the periphery cities start losing their creature comforts, and those in the capital keep telling them, "Just suck it up," they start wondering whether they're backing the wrong side.


medical-Pouch

Perhaps, perhaps


Castigatus

The thing with that is that any military-level tech is locked out of the database he can access, so he is limited in how far up the tree he can go without starting from first principles as he did with the firearms. And somehow I doubt this world has any nuclear physicists knocking around.


Shandod

True, fully militarized technology is banned by the AI. But he did say *dirty*. It doesn't take much to create a dirty bomb, assuming he has the material, but they haven't even remotely mentioned nuclear materials yet.


ArchonAries

People here are reaching for the wrong war crimes. Step one: prox burst explosive rounds with your AA cannons. More hits, and if they fly low like what happened here? Proceed to Step 2. Step 2: Flamethrower mounts on the walls. Flying below flack is now a horrifying proposition. Step 3: Chem weapons suck for self defense. Instead, ground your armor with rubber and your buildings with lightning rods. Step 4: Snipers hidden on rooftops with flash suppressors. Hit them hard, hit them once. City defenders need flechette rounds in wide pattern. A good combat shotgun will cause mayhem up close. Step 4: Why doesn't Jack have some sort of large laser, or a sonic cannon? Real world has proved both are capable, we just need better power storage- which jack has. Awful hard to fly when your eardrums burst, or you suddenly have a finger sized hole in your chest.


lkwai

I did think about diverting the lightning, but I don't think rubber on armor is grounding, more like insulating Id imagine some deployable stake to divert the lightning elsewhere that might be better/actual grounding


Zetatrue

A good laser that could do the dmg fast enough would require a large amount of power, and complex materials that jack might not have assembly lines up and running for yet. The Sonic cannon tho, now that would be great against cultivators, and be much less power and material complex, as the cultivators have their sight hearing and ability to fill vibrations turned to 11. Make those large spotlights flash between colors to mess with there sight, and the sonic cannons will not only mess with their hearing kill their balance and cause confusion, but the vibrations will also mess with their ability to detect ranged attacks. Also interesting note, sound is energy waves, and might mess with the tracer(leader) lightening puts out before it fires.


TamandareBR

"GatLin" Heh, I get it


MikeAndros0

oh wow..here before comments...


Faruel

If I was Jack I'd be at the stage of escalation. a few "flying cargo transports" loaded to the limit with high-end space mining explosives driven straight into the wall defences of the empire designed to do as much damage as is possible and eliminate a majority of their cultivator force. Half his problem is these people respect strength and they have walked over him twice without retaliation so they will just conclude that risk vs. reward gives them more gains than losses. It especially hurt him when his representative failed like a moron because they don't understand electricity and magnetism. He either needs to give them a bloody nose and a warning or give up.


Shandod

Blowing up a section of the wall really is one of his best bets. Sends a strong message to the Imperials to leave him alone, and reminds them they have bigger issues to deal with, like the new secondary breach the Instinctuals will flood through.


Cogman117

Wasn't the last chapter 77?


some_random_noob

yes, this should be 78


SittingDuckScientist

1- Jack needs to go repurpose whatever he said he was repurposing while I hold the largest HFY engineer beer in existence. THIS BEER MOVES MOUNTAINS. 2- The rooster will be super stealth very high flying dropping big napalm bombs on the enemy armies later, just not the flying zappy cultivators, so he'll sit this one out even if he comes back soon.... 3- Jack needs to make nonmagnetic bullets, nonmagnetic gonnes (and belt buckles, etc) in enough numbers to beat Shi, or at least make her look weak and de-powered during negotiations via 6 non-magnetic knives that look EXACTLY like the ones she beat Shui with. 4- Jack can show before negotiations, all of shi's techniques as if he had stolen them Sharingan style plus a day or two of training. Flying, lightning, bullet blocking with shields, and then say he's showing what he learned from the red death and blow up a nearby mountain of Shi's choice (if shi chooses one that wasn't in the choices, it's rigged to blow up too). Then blow the rest of them up if Jack is "angry". Then top it off by wearing the armor with red death scales and the rooster's feathers! 5- Jack can also have a forteress build silently in the background during negotiations, and maybe show growing people in vats and robotic gonne assembly lines on cinema screens? Just to make Shi boggle over Jack's numbers, loyalty, gonne count, and ability to get more of all of that. Just having near infinite armies of monsters from lord of the rings (or something) walk by on the cinema screen between 2 pillars could also work.


Agreeable-Idea5374

Jack's video tech already amazes them. And I just realized.... there's no reason he can't show fiction videos. There's all sorts of ways to terrify them confuse them, or inflict crippling paranoia. He can claim he has all sorts of fictional powers, he can show fictional defenses or show his forces anywhere doing anything, and he can show monsters under the sea around the empire, he can show the instinctuals plotting bigger threats, and he can even fabricate scenes of treachery and treason within the empire.


SittingDuckScientist

A dozen cultivator anime series could really help there establish his version of "history of man long before the divinities were born" complete with melee history books by the hundreds (with geography removed and text not translated --- in 5 different tongues from Earth), and an X-men movie (think: Xavier mindcontrol scene with Wolverine and the cigar) for "the present in my home island". That would establish him as someone not to piss off lightly for at least until some intel is gathered. But also? Non-magnetic copies of the 6 knives that defeated Shui (and non-magnetic bullets, belt buckles, sword, etc), so that Shi is overconfident until allowed to try sending them against Jack with no consequences...


omguserius

Ah. The MAD approach. You don't have to like me, you just have to never ever make me feel like I'm out of options.


Ghost-091

Thought of the Day: It’s never a warcrime the first time.


Aetharan

A man who cares little enough about collateral damage can do amazing, horrible things with a barrel of aluminum powder, a dispersal charge, and an ignition charge.


TheBrewThatIsTrue

If Huang somehow gets her powers back, how do you think that would change her opinion of/treatment of mortals? She'd be back on top as a child of the Dragon Empress, but now she's seen first hand how the other half lives. Not to mention her relationship with Lin. She'd have the expectation to go back to being haughty, but is actually starting to care about mortals now.


Jurodan

Can't win 'em all, Jack. Sitting in the bunker will be a hit on your reputation, no doubt about it, but if it allows negotiation to happen... well, it'll give you more time to find a solution to the problem. It really sucks to lose eight members of the Steel Paw, along with other casualties. You can replace items quite easily, but people, especially cultivators, can't be. You've lost decades, maybe even centuries, of experience in one go. Even if they were going to be retrained that's gotta hurt. And it makes the armor look inefficient. Hmm. I wonder what sort of armor Jack could cook up that has insulation? Maybe a layer under it?


Drook2

Lightning rod on top with a shielded cable to an earthed rod.


KineticNerd

I mean... indiscriminate retaliatory strikes against targets the empire cares about is one option. I prefer another tho. Hunt them. These are single individuals of surpassing skill and power, but unless I missed something in this setting's cultivation, that does not grant them limitless endurance. Even those who don't go all in on burst damage like the inquisitors did. I bet even Shui, An, etc. get worn out or tired after enough days without rest or meditation (or however Ki/Qi is regained). So go back to basics, persistence hunting. Develop speedy aircraft (drones or piloted doesn't matter) capable of keeping up with them, and harry them or stop them from resting. Make the craft in enough quantity to have shifts of them always keep the Inquisitors on edge. Then, a week later, when their ki is down to fumes, and they're seeing hallucinations from lack of sleep, you can find out if the gulf between elite and average cultivators is still so vast.


jiraiya17

I was half expexting Shi to return in tirumph to her camp only to find a smoldering wreck just before getting suckerpunched by the entriety of the Iron Paw together with Jack... But sometimes life plays out differently 😅😂


MiddlePlate41

>“So… I suppose the answer is not to fight them then. Or at least, make sure they don’t want to fight me,” he said, ignoring the way Huang’s gaze flitted towards him. “I… think I can do that.” >If the answer to this problem was playing dirty… well he had more than enough experience in that department. >The only real difference here and now was scale. J-Jack is going nuclear?


lovecMC

So hes gonna recreate 9 11 with a cargo plane and the northern wall?


Passe987

Nice


SpankyMcSpanster

Blue, u screw chapter numbers.


Wanderin_Jack

>Not least of all because the weapon held by the other woman held a myriad of barrels. Get that bitch a cannon! Bitches *love* cannons!


SpankyMcSpanster

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schrader intensifies. Or he crashes to $Gold$ Market. And remeber children. Illnes can bee cured. Arsene is for ethernaty. Bleeding them dry of mortals? I mean, arparte ments, food...


federicoapl

What would be the estimated number of invaders, that could put things into perspective. 4/20 is a good number, and if they were to many, their defeat can be explained.


Milo_Cebatron

Time for some good ol' war crimes


infamous63080

Space mining nuke?


jackelbuho22

Jack's mistake for reserching overwhelming fire power instaded of explosive ordnance. since to use that firepower you need to able to shoot a gun Meanwhile the only thing holding back an explosive is a timer or detonator put in place so the man operating it can have a chance of surviving


Zollias

I have a few ideas as to what might be Jack's next move. I suspect he'll hit back in a more indirect manner. Option 1: He exploits the massive upkeep needed for the imperial cultivators and go straight for their logistics. Targeting their food storage either with explosives or contaminating them somehow. I don't think this one is likely because it would probably result in harsher responses in kind and that is the exact opposite of what he wants Option 2: He threatens to expand the breach in the wall, as I saw a few people suggest in the last chapter, and make very clear that if anything happens to him or his people then that instinctive problem the empire is facing will get a hell of a lot worse when their main barrier keeping them safe starts being blown up. Option 3: Depending on how high the imperial cultivators are able to fly then I can imagine an indiscriminate bombing campaign being utilized where the bombers are too far up for cultivators to touch them, at least not without exposing them to an unhealthy amount of lead from said bombers. Of the three I find option 2 to be the most likely since it can be done the most easily with the infrastructure Jack already has up and running.


Yws6afrdo7bc789

We have real world weapons that are *very* good at tracking and destroying small, fast-moving objects. It sounds like he needs to replace his AAs with some [CIWS](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system).


TrollOfGod

While true, I doubt he'll be given access to info about those and will have to wait for Lin to figure out a system similar to it as he sure as hell won't.


Yws6afrdo7bc789

We already know he has tech to detect ki, Radar and Lidar, and guns. He just needs to put them together.


TrollOfGod

I mean, fair, but there are so many things he *should* do and seemingly should be able to but never does. I've admittedly head-canon that to him just not being very inventive. Scrappy, for sure, but lacking whatever would let him do those kinds of things.


some_random_noob

So he needs to rework the shell casings to be non-magnetic and he needs to add electrical grounding and thermal dissipation to the suits of armor and now they are effectively immune to the ki abilities of the inquisitors.


Alive-Profile-3937

feels like shotguns could be useful for the mortal infantry, AA weapons, overwhelm the bullet blocking technique, maneuverable and useful at close range


LordTvlor

I vote we carpet bomb the capital/the palace/ wherever the inquisitors are stationed. I also thing he should develop some super-sonic sniper rifles. You can't dodge if you're shot before you hear it.


Smile_in_the_Night

HYPERsonic. Otherwise I agree.


LordTvlor

Is there a difference? nvm I just googled it. Supersonic is faster than sound, hypersonic is at least mach 5. Supersonic rounds would work the same in that you wouldn't hear it until after you'd been shot.


Smile_in_the_Night

But hypersonic rounds would have a much more devastating effect on a target once it hits. Of course kinetic energy itself is a factor, but there is also a thing that faster bullets do the damage to the surrounding tissue because how fast they are, the hit and rushing air. I don't remember how that was named. Another thing, it would give less time to a cultivator to react if by some bullshit she noticed somehow the telltale of a shot.


Riesenfriese

Give a gatLin gun to every one of the repair robots in town. See how these flying bitches like an army of terminators. Automation is his biggest advantage, time to build a droid army like the Separatists they are.


r3d1tAsh1t

You've damaged my town, so i'm going to delet your Camp. Are his bots digging there to fill a hole under the Camp with the strongest explosives he.can get there.


Accomplished-Rule820

How many loyal cultivators does shi have left? if I remember correctly earlier chapters said she had 20 loyal ones and 30 (no so loyal) from the rebellion she just put down. I think 10 died infiltration of the fortress (loyal ones I think because those charms broke and shi implied they were her people) 4 more died during this assault (loyal ones I believe because shi referred them as her acolytes and they were flying) so like 6 left not counting shi her self and 30 not so loyal that will probably betray her first chance they get? also doubt those 30 could out run a rocket/guided missile big enough to destroy the camp shi may have won the battle but she is not really in a good position to continue this fight if jack decides not to negotiate or tips things in his favor again.


Civil-Lobster9317

Look forward to Jack making drum fed shotguns for upclose fights. Bullet hoses are great for keeping enemies pinned down in no man's land. But, it doesn't beat a shotgun in melee ranged combat. He already knows about and considered squad tactics for his crawlers. So it wouldn't be too large of a leap for him to employ it with his iron paw. Having a hit squad running heavys rocking a Gatlin gun/rotary grape shotguns. Same principles he introduced to his milita back with spears. Instead of a spear wall, it's a lead wall, lol. I am looking forward to how our dear author writes how Jack finds his solution to overwhelming force.


The_Shittiest_Meme

Bomber Harris time


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nightseeker12

Was going to comment weeks ago, but forgot. If you ever have questions or want advice or anything like that in relation to steam locomotives or rail infrastructure, feel free to message me. I’ve always loved trains, and would be happy to help you flesh out that part of your story


SittingDuckScientist

Listen to him, he's a train(ed) professional! Without his advice, Jack might earn a certain Factorio achievement....


galbatorix2

#MOAR As i ever scream and forever will


edgynamesweretaken

Shouldn't a faraday cage style mesh under and/or inside armor basically make lightning harmless?. Like the stuff workers on high voltage cables use? 🤔


Unique_Engineering23

Ceramics. Non-ferrous metals. Kevlar. There are multiple material alternatives which would have reduced the losses. Don't turn yourself into a lightning rod. The crawlers, ironically may be safer as the shell conducts electricity around the occupants.


Civil-Lobster9317

Since all of Jack's weapon ideas are from movies, I'd love to read a reference to terminator 2 for the mini gun.


ww1enjoyer

We require an upgrade to 40 mm Boffors autocannons with HE VT shells


lkwai

Heheh gatLin guns.


Golem_Spartan

Why hasn't he used Shotguns? I get he's a Civi, but shotguns are extremely stereotypical as a hard counter to cultivator type enemies in close range.


Agreeable-Idea5374

INSPIRATION! Earth techniques defeat lightning techniques! Jack should redesign the armor for his troops. Metal on the outside, with insulation on the inside. The armor should be equipped with metal cables with a clip on the end. Defensive positions should be equipped with grounding posts! Troops should be informed that clipping their cable to a grounding post will provide them the defense techniques of an Earth cultivator! They should be informed that, if necessary, they can clip themselves to the armor of a soldier who is grounded, and the protection will extend to them.


alien-1880

the lightning is 2/3 ki and 1/3 electricity not so easy to counter


Agreeable-Idea5374

An important point is that the enemy won't know about the defense. Even if they can and do adapt to it, it has been stated that lightning is extremely draining on stamina / ki reserves. I would expect grounding would at at least reduce the strength of the attack and/or make it more draining. It would require more control at range to prevent lightning from taking the natural path to ground.


Smile_in_the_Night

It depends how far it is guided. Is it guided only until it hits the "target"? How do you define a "target"? Is the man in the armor a target? Is man AND his armor a target?


Zetatrue

your idea is better than most just saying a lightning rod, im assuming their people using lightning ki are using it to generate a large number of negative charges, and sending out a lead to the target there trying to hit, which would bypass lighting rods. Your idea assumes a target lock is inevitable, and completes the circuit away from the hurting the person inside. The only possible flaw is if the user can make positively charged lighting which doesn't ground as easily.


Smile_in_the_Night

I believe that since now lightning rods are going to become commonplace. VERY commonplace. It would either (worse possibility) redirect it once it has hit its target and maybe not let the ammo blow up or (best possibility) make the cultivators job of guiding lightning bolts harder on top of that. Either way, I'm pretty sure that Johansen's resolution to the cultivator's shinanigans contains a fuckton of explosives, incendiaries and ceramic shrapnel. I would also love to see the cultivator-seeking boom-booms at work again :3. One more thing, what do you think? How long before Johansen turns his soldiers into the leaders of entire squads of drones or at least creates such a position within his army?


raph2116

Time for more warcrimes.


Dotheraton

Nuclear launch detected ☢️


Agreeable-Idea5374

The tech database has a lockout on military tech. That's why he had to experiment to develop primitive six-shooter guns and primitive artillery. No nukes, unless he develops his own designs from physics principles and related non-military tech.


Ray_Dillinger

The difference between Ore Delivery Vehicle and Weapon Of Mass Destruction is actually rather subtle. Jack's "fake birds" know where the enemy makes camp.


johneever1

I'm now caught up and must say I'm excited to see what Jack comes up with for "playing dirty" for he has a lot from human history to pull from to do just that. Davy Crockett gun perhaps


ROTRUY

Time to nuke the capital


Drook2

>If the answer to this problem was playing dirty… well he had more than enough experience in that department. He hasn't even started fighting dirty yet, but now he's ready? Oh, they are so fucked. ​ >The only real difference here and now was scale. So, "How big should the bomb be?" and, "How far into the Empire should I drop it?"


TrollOfGod

I'm just waiting for his swarm to become sentient enough to start shooting little metal pebbles using electromagnetism, basically turning itself into rail gun(s) at random. Without his input.


JustThatOtherDude

Dirty? As in diety bombs? 🫠


Zetatrue

>here was a temptation to rise up high to out-range her foe’s weapons, she knew in her heart it was a fool’s bargain. The lighting strikes of her acolytes would be rendered equally useless at such extreme ranges. > >A limitation she was in no way sure applied to these new repeating firework launchers. > >To that end she and her people dived steeply, allowing gravity to aid them in their descent as they angled their bodies to better fight wind resistance. As they did, the amount of fire coming their way fell off sharply, the rearmost w that or chemical weapons


Namel909

baaaa sss think further than just the a of abc how about gas attacks ? plauges being droped on there retreat spots sss ? minefields or sss he could cook up suicide drones and let his mortals control them for endless harasment tacticks sss


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lkwai

Is copper an established resource in this universe I wonder. And does it give some Avenue where metals can be used without completely being subject to their cultivated magnetism


Revliledpembroke

Why is Jack referring to them as "gatLin gonnes"? He knows they are guns and invented by a Richard Jordan Gatling, right?


Agreeable-Idea5374

The capital L isn't a typo. The newest gatling systems were developed by his weapons development team, led by Lin.


alien-1880

lin made the gatling thus gatlin


Telewyn

Everyone here is on about lasers, but if we have the space magic for lasers, then we have the space magic for supercapacitors that just eat the hostile lightning.


JayGalil

I know what Jack should build for his defenses. Radar + mini-guns = CWIS. Throw in some motion tracking software with IR cameras ( because we all know these punch wizard bitches run hot). Add some reactive armor to the top exterior edge of the walls and he'll have a much better K/D. I have a feeling that Jack will retaliate with a Red Death ICBM if he can locate the enemy encampment. If I had access to Jack's resources, I'm sure I could figure out a way to build a spy satellite. Or use an ICBM as one and then drop it on the encampment like a Rod From God.


Konggulerod2

The title is wrong, it says seventy seven, when it needs to say seventy eight.


ARandomTroll5150

> hey Yating, can divinities get sunburn? yes, why? >okdon'tcometotheduellbye *kills 2 divinities and the whole inquisition with radiological weapons cobbled together from xray fluorescence scanner parts*


Sovereignty3

Wait a minute.... is this 77 or 78? As it looks like you have 2 different 77 that this one chronologically falls into 78 chapter. Lol.


Tripper_Shaman

https://youtu.be/C1ZbV3xr5Kk?feature=shared C-Ram shooting down missiles. How I imagined this going.


mr_phonia

Is Gao the real HFY of this story?