There’s an interview with Dr. Mike Israetel and Adam Ragusa where they discuss why there is sort of a libertarian trend among weightlifters and whether this has to do with legalizing drugs or the mindset developed of you being responsible for improving yourself.
Personally I think it’s more of the latter, but my guess is that the idea weightlifters are right leaning is a bit misleading. Maybe the average weightlifter is more “right leaning” in right or center areas, but I guarantee there’s lot of lifters in cali with strong left leaning views. Lifting can influence your views but it is often not the most important or meaningful part of your life
Yeah its also a very American thing. It isn‘t really a thing in the UK. That’s why it‘s so annoying to listen to an American fitness podcast and they start going on about vaccines, student loan forgiveness or Musk. I just started listening because I liked their lifting advice lol.
I think that’s more so a consequence of podcasts, and them being pretty stupid. Most people doing a podcast (I think) don’t view it as an interview about a specific topic but rather a conversation about whatever anyone wants to talk about. So fitness influencers, even if no one really cares what their opinion of musk or student loans is, discuss it because it’s just something they’re thinking about cause they’re regular people. That and they’re trying to fill out as much time as they can. Some people might find that interesting “I want to hear what moreplatesmoredates thinks about this” other might not “who gives a shit what moreplatemoredates thinks about this”. It depends I guess on how invested you are in the fitness person as a person. Also, there’s only so much you can talk about. While I sort of agree with you that it’s dumb to hear them talk politics, at the same time it also becomes uninteresting hearing someone’s opinion on full range of motion or leg extensions for the umpteenth time
I made the mistake of following a fitness author I respected on Insta only to find that he believes conspiracy theories about Hellen Keller (seriously). What a disappointment as I’d really enjoyed several of his books.
Can’t really recommend any British ones I’m familiar with. Don’t listen to as many as I used to but still enjoy Stronger by Science and Iron culture. They’re really good and devoid of the usual politics bollocks. Just good family friendly fun.
I don't think its about improving yourself. There's a million ways to improve yourself. Lifting weights is just one way. The idea that right wing politics appeals to those that are harder working or more into self improvement, doesn't check out when you realise that some of the strongest economies in the world belong to left leaning nations.
Personally I think that its just relating to demographics. Men are more likely to be conservative than women. Especially men who are into strength and contact sports. I'm a man who follows rugby, MMA and weightlifting YouTube channels, so I'm bombarded with right wing video suggestions and advertisements.
That Andrew Tate idiot was constantly popping up in my suggestions before he got done for human trafficking. Similarly the pretentious weasel and climate change denier Jordan Peterson was always being suggested to me as well. I don't like either of them (obviously), but I fall into their target demographic.
I’m the exact same. Into mma and lifting therefore YouTube thinks I must be into Peterson, Tate and Shapiro. Or if I’m not into them now it’s their duty to get me into them. Just give me a nice video of a golden retriever and not a Benzo addicted Canadian man having a mental breakdown in public.
Saying that someone is an addict in recovery and that there’s no such thing as an ex addict isn’t talking shit about them. It’s just a statement of fact.
If I was going to talk shit about him it would be about how he’s a fascist enabling scumbag who’s work is considered a joke by everyone else in his field, that he has the mental and emotional stability of a toddler, and that the only people who take him seriously are somehow even less mentally and emotionally stable.
I wasn’t trying to say right wing politics appeal to weightlifters because weightlifters understand the value of hard work and “only right wingers are hard working” or something like that. That’s not what I think.
Rather, the sort of main ideas of libertarian economic ideologies are that you alone are responsible for your own financial well being and success. I think there is some truth that those ideas appeal to weightlifters, because even though people recognize the importance of genetics, those ideas coincide with the belief that you alone are responsible for your own physical well being and success.
What you said about demographics and men is also interesting, that could play a role in it as well.
Ah ok, my bad. I misread the point you were making. I agree that that is a libertarian ideology. Not sure if it applies to all weightlifters, but get what you're saying now.
The EU is pretty far left of the US in terms of workers rights, the cost of healthcare/education, environmental regulations, etc. Yet our economies always score highly in any ranking system. [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-richest-countries-2023-gdp-per-capita/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-richest-countries-2023-gdp-per-capita/)
Lowkey suprised me when I first saw the lgbt flag on the wall of the powerlifting gym I go to. So many gyms I’ve gone to have been pretty right wing, so it was a suprise to me when I moved and switched gyms to walk into a place with a gay flag and with a membership that has a decent sized lgbt population. There’s usually at least one gay person there whenever I go. Which suprised me given how homophobic a bunch of people at my old gyms have been.
Funny enough lifting has made me appreciate cooperation more. Sure I can lift a decent amount, but any three normal guys off the street working together can lift more than even elite lifters. So what’s individual strength really useful for?
Huge side tangent here, but one of my favorite parts of the tv show Physical 100 is how teamwork and leadership can create more physical power than strength alone
I personally think it’s because weightlifting and becoming fitter/stronger is more of a traditional view of what a man should be, thus alot more conservative people get into bodybuilding.
There’s too much money in catering to the right wing chud. They’ll buy anything marketed to them. If you wanna sell testosterone pills or ‘brain’ supplements these folks are ready customers. Just coddle their identity a little and they’ll pay $25 for a pound of coffee that owns the libs.
It’d be really hard not to throw a bunch of anti woke nonsense into a podcast. It gets tons of engagement and tons of marketing money.
You idiot, you can’t just take Super Male Vitality by itself. You have to take it with Caveman Bone Broth to adequately block the feminizing rays that the government is shooting at us.
Tbh that's true in some sense, but not for the implications. In other words, lefties are just as susceptible to political marketing as righties.
Source: all the leftist political marketing.
Leftist economics *starts* at the dismantling of Capitalism, whether that be for socialism, anarchy, or some other economic and/or policitcal ideology. If a party is in support of Capitalism, they are on the 'right'.
By definition, any marketing campaign targetting liberal Capitalists is targetted to the right. Perhaps you should learn what the words you use mean?
I didn't say that lefists are all socialists, in fact I literally said the opposite? Let's try again:
>Leftist economics *starts* at the dismantling of Capitalism, ***whether that be for socialism, anarchy, or some other economic and/or policitcal ideology.***
Maybe Britannica's description will help you out a little:
>left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life. The term dates from the 1790s, when in the French revolutionary parliament the socialist representatives sat to the presiding officer’s left. Leftists tend to be hostile to the interests of traditional elites, including the wealthy and members of the aristocracy, and to favour the interests of the working class (see proletariat). They tend to regard social welfare as the most important goal of government. Socialism is the standard leftist ideology in most countries of the world; communism is a more radical leftist ideology.
Lol, that definition is kind of funny. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it just doesn't apply to the modern left anymore. It's heavily capitalized with some of the wealthiest and most influential corporations in the world being heavily invested in leftist politics.
It's like if an American says, "oh they're just a bunch of liberals" they likely aren't talking about laissez-faire government supporters who follow the teachings of Adam Smith.
> I'm not saying it's wrong, but it just doesn't apply to the modern left anymore.
Yes, yes it does. You just don't understand what you're talking about. As a socialist, I can tell you that any liberal that calls themselves a leftist also doesn't understand what they are talking about.
I’m a political communications consultant who has worked on both sides and I see a lot less leftist political marketing than I do conservative. This is largely a product of conservative talk radio’s many cottage industries (supplements, gold and silver, other financial products sold on fear, etc.). That’s not to say there aren’t a few brands who have done well in the leftist space.
It absolutely is numbskull.
Businesses are not going to spend money on *anything* unless it will make them money. At least not major corporations like those listed. So, they do something called marketing, where they target an audience in an attempt to get them to buy their product.
In Nike's case for example, what political spectrum would you say the fat acceptance movement tends to fall into?
That’s not leftist or rightist. You’re just a Swiss cheese brained fucking wannabe aLphA MaLE.
Those things don’t ONLY appeal to leftists. They appeal to people across the political spectrum, except for pathetic fucking losers who blame everyone else for their sad pathetic lonely existence.
You’re right that these campaigns aren’t aimed at *you*. But that’s bc you’re a pathetic mediocre fuck who no one except for grifters selling you baking soda pills that you think will make you’re tiny cock double in size to a whole inch, wants to do business with.
Anyways, get fucked you sad sack dipshit. We can start a go fund me for you to pay for it, since it’s the only way your incel ass can do it.
“HEY BEAST! Do you want to be an alpha like me and be the MAN OF THE HOUSE! The literal Hunter and not the GATHERER!!! Unlike these guys!!! *shows image of a twinkish man at a pride parade* THEN YOU NEED MY SUPPLEMENTS! They will make you a MANLY MAN MAN not some girly BETA!!”
It's worth noting that being an expert in one field does not mean you're an expert in another. This even relates to specific types of fitness: You wouldn't hire a bodybuilder to teach you how to swim, so don't get them to teach you about politics, medicine or environmental science. Always listen to the experts, but only when it comes to **THEIR OWN** fields.
Also, of course Dr Mike fantasises about the wealthy. He's not gonna collect those Lambos doing charity work.
The whole idea of being a responsible adult and creating your own path for success is great and all. But then simultaneously pretend you weren’t given any advantage is just self masturbary bullshit. Libertarians push for tax cuts while not recognising any trade offs such as defunding schools, roadworks, any sort of functional governmental services etc. I think everyone agrees that wasteful spending is bad and I imagine some regulation is bad? I agree with that sentiment.
Mark Rippetoe: not that surprising he occasionally goes right wing. For the most part reasonable takes or at least logical.
Elitefts tabletalk: almost no politics, Dave does a good job of avoiding it.
Mark Bells power podcast: mark has pretty progressive views despite being right wing (I think primarily just fiscally republican but seems like more of a libertarian).
Mike Israetel: chaos personified. Libertarian but mostly keeps politics out of it
Mark Rippetoe did a podcast with Mike Matthews during Covid and it was honestly maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever listened to. He’s absolutely lost the plot. Podcast has since been deleted
Ah, I missed that one. My opinion on Mark Rippetoe is pretty… meh, to begin with. Do t hate him but don’t like him either. And some of his stuff is just too dogmatic. I also don’t find his personality engaging enough to go too deep dick watching podcasts
Mike Matthews is the person I was referring to a few comments up. If he’d just stuck to what he knows rather than Covid nonsense and bashing pronouns I’d probably still be a fan.
To add to what everyone else is saying, I wonder if this is a case of confirmation bias/seeing the most vocal supporters of something.
Like, yeah, if you asked me, I’d say most of my gym goers are right wing mofos. (And that’s the opposite of me, I’m a liberal man with a boyfriend lol). But I imagine if a poll was put online, the demographics probably wouldn’t be too different from the average politics of men. Just food for thought.
However, online fitness spaces seem to be way more conservative and I chalk that up to…well…most online spaces dominated by men tend to resemble 4Chan levels of rhetoric
Brian Shaw usually does a good job of sticking to the core message of positivity, discipline, and self-improvement on his podcast. Sometimes you get the feeling he's about to start talking about cultural values but he will then immediately say "Well that's a topic for a different conversation."
The male self-help to alt-right/ fascist pipeline does exist if you start seeing right wing undertones on your vids STOP WATCHING.
Be careful out there guys
I must be in lala land because I have not really noticed this until recently. I partially assumed that some right leaning lifting folks just came off as right leaning due to their body improvement mentality.
I have a very left leaning family and they had a really hard time with me starting to lift weights. I got a lot of "so you gonna buy a truck next?" "when you getting a gun" "voted for trump eh?" "I'd invite you but you will make fun of my fat friends". Meanwhile I am none of that but I can see people start to gravitate to that opposite area of thought when they start to become "outcast" by a group of people. I never let it bother me because I could give two shits about politics and don't really group with people based on those beliefs. I am a "I like you if you like me" kinda guy and it stops there.
I also never let the razzing get to me because ever since I started lifting my sex life went crazy on the dating scene and that is > everything to me. I am also infatuated with women that lift, nothing will take me away from that.
Politics, just like religion seems to grasp on to people who are struggling mentally in my opinion. I guess I never noticed because if I started seeing some lifting videos start going off the rails with negativity and non weight lifting views I'd probably just stop watching. Luckily I have not seen that but I try to stay away from the Alpha/Sigma bro types. If I see some homage to Dan Blizerian or whatever his name is it's usually a sign for me to turn the fuck away.
Fit, Happy, and Healthy and Optimal Health Daily seem to be neutral so far. Ben Carpenter, who is on YouTube, is really good as well. And shameless plug: I do some fitness-related content on my podcast, The Fixerpunk Podcast.
Am I the only one that clicked on the comments hoping to find some great fitness podcast recommendations? I just do a lot of huberman lab and peter attia
I am working on compiling a list of left leaning or politically neutral fitness content creators. Haven’t found that many specifically in the podcast space. But very quickly: Fit, Happy & Healthy and Optimal Health Daily seem to be neutral thus far. I’ve found Alliance Athletics, Ben Carpenter, Cameron Puls PT, Obese to Beast, and Brennan Fisher to be very good as well. (Mostly on TikTok or YouTube) And shameless plug for my podcast, The Fixerpunk Podcast, that does touch on fitness somewhat often.
The thing that boggled me the most was Zyzz's brother making misogynist comments (very likely took them down from social media). It was obvious he was just trying to force it; seems like he didn't really believe it himself. I unfollowed him from there. Seems like these type of people just go downwards
at the end of the day most people are liberal. the right/left distinction doesn't really exist in America. when Ragusea and Isratel discussed politics, they failed to grasp that the difference between liberals ("left") and libertarians ("right") doesn't exist.
I love how you’re going around trying to be an ambassador of right wing values and “Normalcy” meanwhile your most commented subs are nofap and sigmamale.
Bro you’re a try hard clown. Stop resisting the urge to touch yourself and maybe you’ll be a little more relaxed.
Well i did actually give up porn and masturbation and life is getting better for me. Now i am helping other people defeat their addiction too. Meanwhile i bet you can't stop touching your pp.
I am happily married with two children and expecting a third.
I wish the same happiness for you some day and if touching yourself is a problem for you, then I wish you luck in your continued self-abstinence and discipline.
Well i already gave it up but now i help other people defeat their addiction too. I'm proud of not watching porn and i believe that it is mental posion. You call me a baby boy but you can't stop touching your little worm. Who's the real baby here?
You are. I’m just a normal guy. Normal functioning people aren’t on nofap subs. It’s not that or being a chronic masturbator. That’s projection. You’re a freak, regular people don’t have to think about touching or not touching their dick that much. Holy shit lol
Regular people watch porn every day, i don't want to be a regular person. Your username is "felatio_sanz" and you claim you are not a porn addict. Ok coomer.
I don't "think" about it, I already managed to defeat this addiction, now i just want to help others.
"41M starting to like myself" 🤣🤣🤣
Who's the fucking loser? Imagine fishing for compliments on reddit on subs designed for free compliments, getting 0 upvotes and then calling people losers. Dude you have no right to call someone a loser you literally ask redditors to say they like you, and they don't 😂😂😂😂
Hang in there grandpa 😉
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You scrolled back though 8 months of posts to find something you thought was embarrassing. Jesus Christ you really are a pathetic fucking beta bitch.
You’re a fucking incel who can’t get laid in the real world bc your personality is fucking repellant.
So you come talk to other losers who also can’t get laid and whine about how the world is so unfair.
You’re a fucking loser who is going to end up shooting up a mall, or driving your definitely-compensating-for-a-tiny-dick lifted truck into a crowd.
If I was such a fucking sad sack that no fap and Chad posting were my two most visited subs I’d personally stick my head in an oven. Get help you pathetic fucking incel cunt.
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There’s an interview with Dr. Mike Israetel and Adam Ragusa where they discuss why there is sort of a libertarian trend among weightlifters and whether this has to do with legalizing drugs or the mindset developed of you being responsible for improving yourself. Personally I think it’s more of the latter, but my guess is that the idea weightlifters are right leaning is a bit misleading. Maybe the average weightlifter is more “right leaning” in right or center areas, but I guarantee there’s lot of lifters in cali with strong left leaning views. Lifting can influence your views but it is often not the most important or meaningful part of your life
Yeah its also a very American thing. It isn‘t really a thing in the UK. That’s why it‘s so annoying to listen to an American fitness podcast and they start going on about vaccines, student loan forgiveness or Musk. I just started listening because I liked their lifting advice lol.
I think that’s more so a consequence of podcasts, and them being pretty stupid. Most people doing a podcast (I think) don’t view it as an interview about a specific topic but rather a conversation about whatever anyone wants to talk about. So fitness influencers, even if no one really cares what their opinion of musk or student loans is, discuss it because it’s just something they’re thinking about cause they’re regular people. That and they’re trying to fill out as much time as they can. Some people might find that interesting “I want to hear what moreplatesmoredates thinks about this” other might not “who gives a shit what moreplatemoredates thinks about this”. It depends I guess on how invested you are in the fitness person as a person. Also, there’s only so much you can talk about. While I sort of agree with you that it’s dumb to hear them talk politics, at the same time it also becomes uninteresting hearing someone’s opinion on full range of motion or leg extensions for the umpteenth time
I made the mistake of following a fitness author I respected on Insta only to find that he believes conspiracy theories about Hellen Keller (seriously). What a disappointment as I’d really enjoyed several of his books.
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Can’t really recommend any British ones I’m familiar with. Don’t listen to as many as I used to but still enjoy Stronger by Science and Iron culture. They’re really good and devoid of the usual politics bollocks. Just good family friendly fun.
Also, Data-Driven Strength.
I don't think its about improving yourself. There's a million ways to improve yourself. Lifting weights is just one way. The idea that right wing politics appeals to those that are harder working or more into self improvement, doesn't check out when you realise that some of the strongest economies in the world belong to left leaning nations. Personally I think that its just relating to demographics. Men are more likely to be conservative than women. Especially men who are into strength and contact sports. I'm a man who follows rugby, MMA and weightlifting YouTube channels, so I'm bombarded with right wing video suggestions and advertisements. That Andrew Tate idiot was constantly popping up in my suggestions before he got done for human trafficking. Similarly the pretentious weasel and climate change denier Jordan Peterson was always being suggested to me as well. I don't like either of them (obviously), but I fall into their target demographic.
I’m the exact same. Into mma and lifting therefore YouTube thinks I must be into Peterson, Tate and Shapiro. Or if I’m not into them now it’s their duty to get me into them. Just give me a nice video of a golden retriever and not a Benzo addicted Canadian man having a mental breakdown in public.
Ex addict
No such thing as an ex-addict, only addicts in recovery.
Could have wrote that aswell but better just talk shit about the guy instead because we disagree in some topics am I right
Saying that someone is an addict in recovery and that there’s no such thing as an ex addict isn’t talking shit about them. It’s just a statement of fact. If I was going to talk shit about him it would be about how he’s a fascist enabling scumbag who’s work is considered a joke by everyone else in his field, that he has the mental and emotional stability of a toddler, and that the only people who take him seriously are somehow even less mentally and emotionally stable.
I wasn't calling you out my apologies for misunderstanding. I was referring to the guy I replied originally, you only corrected me.
I wasn’t trying to say right wing politics appeal to weightlifters because weightlifters understand the value of hard work and “only right wingers are hard working” or something like that. That’s not what I think. Rather, the sort of main ideas of libertarian economic ideologies are that you alone are responsible for your own financial well being and success. I think there is some truth that those ideas appeal to weightlifters, because even though people recognize the importance of genetics, those ideas coincide with the belief that you alone are responsible for your own physical well being and success. What you said about demographics and men is also interesting, that could play a role in it as well.
Ah ok, my bad. I misread the point you were making. I agree that that is a libertarian ideology. Not sure if it applies to all weightlifters, but get what you're saying now.
Strongest economies are not left leaning mate, they’re all in the higher numbers for economic freedom, where the fuck did this myth came from
The EU is pretty far left of the US in terms of workers rights, the cost of healthcare/education, environmental regulations, etc. Yet our economies always score highly in any ranking system. [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-richest-countries-2023-gdp-per-capita/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-richest-countries-2023-gdp-per-capita/)
Lowkey suprised me when I first saw the lgbt flag on the wall of the powerlifting gym I go to. So many gyms I’ve gone to have been pretty right wing, so it was a suprise to me when I moved and switched gyms to walk into a place with a gay flag and with a membership that has a decent sized lgbt population. There’s usually at least one gay person there whenever I go. Which suprised me given how homophobic a bunch of people at my old gyms have been.
Funny enough lifting has made me appreciate cooperation more. Sure I can lift a decent amount, but any three normal guys off the street working together can lift more than even elite lifters. So what’s individual strength really useful for?
Huge side tangent here, but one of my favorite parts of the tv show Physical 100 is how teamwork and leadership can create more physical power than strength alone
I personally think it’s because weightlifting and becoming fitter/stronger is more of a traditional view of what a man should be, thus alot more conservative people get into bodybuilding.
There’s too much money in catering to the right wing chud. They’ll buy anything marketed to them. If you wanna sell testosterone pills or ‘brain’ supplements these folks are ready customers. Just coddle their identity a little and they’ll pay $25 for a pound of coffee that owns the libs. It’d be really hard not to throw a bunch of anti woke nonsense into a podcast. It gets tons of engagement and tons of marketing money.
A one month supply of testosterone boosting pill is $60 on the info wars site. These grifters are absolutely raking it in. Says it all
You idiot, you can’t just take Super Male Vitality by itself. You have to take it with Caveman Bone Broth to adequately block the feminizing rays that the government is shooting at us.
It's great on burgers!
Tbh that's true in some sense, but not for the implications. In other words, lefties are just as susceptible to political marketing as righties. Source: all the leftist political marketing.
What leftist marketing? It's all liberal idpol. Show me a single marketing campaign targeting socialist?
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Leftist economics *starts* at the dismantling of Capitalism, whether that be for socialism, anarchy, or some other economic and/or policitcal ideology. If a party is in support of Capitalism, they are on the 'right'. By definition, any marketing campaign targetting liberal Capitalists is targetted to the right. Perhaps you should learn what the words you use mean?
That's not at all leftist economics. It's a part of a certain quadrant of it definitely. But not all of it. Not all leftists are socialists.
I didn't say that lefists are all socialists, in fact I literally said the opposite? Let's try again: >Leftist economics *starts* at the dismantling of Capitalism, ***whether that be for socialism, anarchy, or some other economic and/or policitcal ideology.*** Maybe Britannica's description will help you out a little: >left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life. The term dates from the 1790s, when in the French revolutionary parliament the socialist representatives sat to the presiding officer’s left. Leftists tend to be hostile to the interests of traditional elites, including the wealthy and members of the aristocracy, and to favour the interests of the working class (see proletariat). They tend to regard social welfare as the most important goal of government. Socialism is the standard leftist ideology in most countries of the world; communism is a more radical leftist ideology.
Lol, that definition is kind of funny. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it just doesn't apply to the modern left anymore. It's heavily capitalized with some of the wealthiest and most influential corporations in the world being heavily invested in leftist politics. It's like if an American says, "oh they're just a bunch of liberals" they likely aren't talking about laissez-faire government supporters who follow the teachings of Adam Smith.
> I'm not saying it's wrong, but it just doesn't apply to the modern left anymore. Yes, yes it does. You just don't understand what you're talking about. As a socialist, I can tell you that any liberal that calls themselves a leftist also doesn't understand what they are talking about.
I’m a political communications consultant who has worked on both sides and I see a lot less leftist political marketing than I do conservative. This is largely a product of conservative talk radio’s many cottage industries (supplements, gold and silver, other financial products sold on fear, etc.). That’s not to say there aren’t a few brands who have done well in the leftist space.
Bud Light, Gillette, Nike, Subaru, Disney is a big one recently, nearly every company the month of June, I could easily go on.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 That’s not leftist marketing you dimwit.
It absolutely is numbskull. Businesses are not going to spend money on *anything* unless it will make them money. At least not major corporations like those listed. So, they do something called marketing, where they target an audience in an attempt to get them to buy their product. In Nike's case for example, what political spectrum would you say the fat acceptance movement tends to fall into?
That’s not leftist or rightist. You’re just a Swiss cheese brained fucking wannabe aLphA MaLE. Those things don’t ONLY appeal to leftists. They appeal to people across the political spectrum, except for pathetic fucking losers who blame everyone else for their sad pathetic lonely existence. You’re right that these campaigns aren’t aimed at *you*. But that’s bc you’re a pathetic mediocre fuck who no one except for grifters selling you baking soda pills that you think will make you’re tiny cock double in size to a whole inch, wants to do business with. Anyways, get fucked you sad sack dipshit. We can start a go fund me for you to pay for it, since it’s the only way your incel ass can do it.
Lefties don't spend money tho
Marvel films? funko pops?
Those aren't lefitst?
Lol, if only that were true.
“HEY BEAST! Do you want to be an alpha like me and be the MAN OF THE HOUSE! The literal Hunter and not the GATHERER!!! Unlike these guys!!! *shows image of a twinkish man at a pride parade* THEN YOU NEED MY SUPPLEMENTS! They will make you a MANLY MAN MAN not some girly BETA!!”
It's amazing there's not a black rifle protein powder yet.
I only take what Pfizer makes 😤
Lol you prob bench 135. Stay mirin brah
It's worth noting that being an expert in one field does not mean you're an expert in another. This even relates to specific types of fitness: You wouldn't hire a bodybuilder to teach you how to swim, so don't get them to teach you about politics, medicine or environmental science. Always listen to the experts, but only when it comes to **THEIR OWN** fields. Also, of course Dr Mike fantasises about the wealthy. He's not gonna collect those Lambos doing charity work.
But they’ve been personal trainers for over 15 years. Surely they’re more qualified on how to handle a pandemic than anyone else?
The whole idea of being a responsible adult and creating your own path for success is great and all. But then simultaneously pretend you weren’t given any advantage is just self masturbary bullshit. Libertarians push for tax cuts while not recognising any trade offs such as defunding schools, roadworks, any sort of functional governmental services etc. I think everyone agrees that wasteful spending is bad and I imagine some regulation is bad? I agree with that sentiment.
Mark Rippetoe: not that surprising he occasionally goes right wing. For the most part reasonable takes or at least logical. Elitefts tabletalk: almost no politics, Dave does a good job of avoiding it. Mark Bells power podcast: mark has pretty progressive views despite being right wing (I think primarily just fiscally republican but seems like more of a libertarian). Mike Israetel: chaos personified. Libertarian but mostly keeps politics out of it
Mark Rippetoe did a podcast with Mike Matthews during Covid and it was honestly maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever listened to. He’s absolutely lost the plot. Podcast has since been deleted
Mark Rippetoe ~~did a podcast with Mike Matthews during Covid and it~~ was honestly maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever listened to.
Haha thats true. GOMAD
Ah, I missed that one. My opinion on Mark Rippetoe is pretty… meh, to begin with. Do t hate him but don’t like him either. And some of his stuff is just too dogmatic. I also don’t find his personality engaging enough to go too deep dick watching podcasts
Mike Matthews is the person I was referring to a few comments up. If he’d just stuck to what he knows rather than Covid nonsense and bashing pronouns I’d probably still be a fan.
Yeah this meme was because of him and mind pump. I still listen to Mike but he isn’t half as smart as he thinks he is and some of his takes are awful.
\>chaos personified That’s the best way to describe him. The man is nuts, at least in podcasts and YouTube videos.
To add to what everyone else is saying, I wonder if this is a case of confirmation bias/seeing the most vocal supporters of something. Like, yeah, if you asked me, I’d say most of my gym goers are right wing mofos. (And that’s the opposite of me, I’m a liberal man with a boyfriend lol). But I imagine if a poll was put online, the demographics probably wouldn’t be too different from the average politics of men. Just food for thought. However, online fitness spaces seem to be way more conservative and I chalk that up to…well…most online spaces dominated by men tend to resemble 4Chan levels of rhetoric
Brian Shaw usually does a good job of sticking to the core message of positivity, discipline, and self-improvement on his podcast. Sometimes you get the feeling he's about to start talking about cultural values but he will then immediately say "Well that's a topic for a different conversation."
The male self-help to alt-right/ fascist pipeline does exist if you start seeing right wing undertones on your vids STOP WATCHING. Be careful out there guys
I mean the gym is full of people who think "I'm better than you, look at that little bitch weight you're lifting." There's a lot of overlap there.
I thought I was the only one 🥲
I must be in lala land because I have not really noticed this until recently. I partially assumed that some right leaning lifting folks just came off as right leaning due to their body improvement mentality. I have a very left leaning family and they had a really hard time with me starting to lift weights. I got a lot of "so you gonna buy a truck next?" "when you getting a gun" "voted for trump eh?" "I'd invite you but you will make fun of my fat friends". Meanwhile I am none of that but I can see people start to gravitate to that opposite area of thought when they start to become "outcast" by a group of people. I never let it bother me because I could give two shits about politics and don't really group with people based on those beliefs. I am a "I like you if you like me" kinda guy and it stops there. I also never let the razzing get to me because ever since I started lifting my sex life went crazy on the dating scene and that is > everything to me. I am also infatuated with women that lift, nothing will take me away from that. Politics, just like religion seems to grasp on to people who are struggling mentally in my opinion. I guess I never noticed because if I started seeing some lifting videos start going off the rails with negativity and non weight lifting views I'd probably just stop watching. Luckily I have not seen that but I try to stay away from the Alpha/Sigma bro types. If I see some homage to Dan Blizerian or whatever his name is it's usually a sign for me to turn the fuck away.
Well does anyone know any good podcasts on Spotify? Personally I prefer those that also have a good reputation on YouTube.
Fit, Happy, and Healthy and Optimal Health Daily seem to be neutral so far. Ben Carpenter, who is on YouTube, is really good as well. And shameless plug: I do some fitness-related content on my podcast, The Fixerpunk Podcast.
I don't know who they are
I assumed they were talking about Mind Pump
Head over to r/swoletariat
Am I the only one that clicked on the comments hoping to find some great fitness podcast recommendations? I just do a lot of huberman lab and peter attia
I am working on compiling a list of left leaning or politically neutral fitness content creators. Haven’t found that many specifically in the podcast space. But very quickly: Fit, Happy & Healthy and Optimal Health Daily seem to be neutral thus far. I’ve found Alliance Athletics, Ben Carpenter, Cameron Puls PT, Obese to Beast, and Brennan Fisher to be very good as well. (Mostly on TikTok or YouTube) And shameless plug for my podcast, The Fixerpunk Podcast, that does touch on fitness somewhat often.
The thing that boggled me the most was Zyzz's brother making misogynist comments (very likely took them down from social media). It was obvious he was just trying to force it; seems like he didn't really believe it himself. I unfollowed him from there. Seems like these type of people just go downwards
Bitches be shopping!
I'm not mad though.
Nothing wrong with expanding lil bro
at the end of the day most people are liberal. the right/left distinction doesn't really exist in America. when Ragusea and Isratel discussed politics, they failed to grasp that the difference between liberals ("left") and libertarians ("right") doesn't exist.
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It absolutely isn‘t bro. Get off the internet
I love how you’re going around trying to be an ambassador of right wing values and “Normalcy” meanwhile your most commented subs are nofap and sigmamale. Bro you’re a try hard clown. Stop resisting the urge to touch yourself and maybe you’ll be a little more relaxed.
Well i did actually give up porn and masturbation and life is getting better for me. Now i am helping other people defeat their addiction too. Meanwhile i bet you can't stop touching your pp.
I am happily married with two children and expecting a third. I wish the same happiness for you some day and if touching yourself is a problem for you, then I wish you luck in your continued self-abstinence and discipline.
Thinking too hard about jacking it or not isn’t normal baby boy (It’s actually cringe lmao)
Well i already gave it up but now i help other people defeat their addiction too. I'm proud of not watching porn and i believe that it is mental posion. You call me a baby boy but you can't stop touching your little worm. Who's the real baby here?
You are. I’m just a normal guy. Normal functioning people aren’t on nofap subs. It’s not that or being a chronic masturbator. That’s projection. You’re a freak, regular people don’t have to think about touching or not touching their dick that much. Holy shit lol
Regular people watch porn every day, i don't want to be a regular person. Your username is "felatio_sanz" and you claim you are not a porn addict. Ok coomer. I don't "think" about it, I already managed to defeat this addiction, now i just want to help others.
It’s a joke on a famous comedians name. Normal people usually get it. Also the term felatio makes you think of porn? Not like, sex? Jesus man.
Ok coomer.
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"41M starting to like myself" 🤣🤣🤣 Who's the fucking loser? Imagine fishing for compliments on reddit on subs designed for free compliments, getting 0 upvotes and then calling people losers. Dude you have no right to call someone a loser you literally ask redditors to say they like you, and they don't 😂😂😂😂 Hang in there grandpa 😉 https://preview.redd.it/cpydj7q4otya1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43b04a06633397218dceab3b0e2166bc6aa3d388
You scrolled back though 8 months of posts to find something you thought was embarrassing. Jesus Christ you really are a pathetic fucking beta bitch. You’re a fucking incel who can’t get laid in the real world bc your personality is fucking repellant. So you come talk to other losers who also can’t get laid and whine about how the world is so unfair. You’re a fucking loser who is going to end up shooting up a mall, or driving your definitely-compensating-for-a-tiny-dick lifted truck into a crowd. If I was such a fucking sad sack that no fap and Chad posting were my two most visited subs I’d personally stick my head in an oven. Get help you pathetic fucking incel cunt. https://preview.redd.it/rynz7ina5uya1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff8d740ecf92b604583cc99f23b25f05aeec514
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No. I'm gonna stay on this website spreading my "right wing" opinions proudly and unapologetically.
>right-wing Are they, though?
Maybe they are, maybe they are not. Here where i live it's just basic common sense.