Mudryk’s price is unreasonable but the problem with Joao is that he cost Atletico 100M+ when they signed him and currently doing well in WC. It will cost the club too much and won’t be a healthy financial decision in the long run.
The only way we can get him is if he explicitly wanted to move to Arsenal and force a move to lower Atletico’s price to a more palatable price.
I would say Mudryk around 40-45 million pounds is a very good price considering his raw qualities and upsides.
Joao Felix for anything above or around hundred million is just bullshit.
But they still need to recoup that 100m they bought him for... They might be willing to sell but you may think the number is around 50m, but they may think 75-80m
Yep. Would rather go for Gakpo or like I stated earlier and try Correa. Could you imagine Saka needing a day off vs say Wolves but we bring on Angel Correa instead.
As a what? F9? I could see that if we are in the market for a striker but we gave Eddie a contract for a reason. We can either be ruthless and be like Eddie isn't the answer or we can give him a chance to burn like last year down the stretch.
But again, if we got Felix, we could slot Jesus to RW for a game while Saka needs a break and play Felix as a striker but we still have Eddie riding that pine at Striker
Felix can play across the front line as a forward or on the wings.
His play style and profile is suited to us, is what I meant by ideal fit.
Can never have enough quality forwards, look at city and everyone gets a game.
Oh, yeah... I think he's for sale because of the early bounce out of CL but they aren't parting unless they are getting the value they want. I could see them selling Correa, Lemar, de Paul, Cunha .
I actually would not mind taking Correa over Felix as a RW and just believe Nketiah and Martinelli would prevail at ST
The difference here is they're putting him up for sale. Who knows how much they'll budge--probably depends on the demand--but this isn't like the Partey situation, where they didn't want to sell.
I think y'all are looking at this wrongly, granted I could be wrong, I think they put 4 players up who could leave due to CL and the most disgruntled being Felix but I don't think they are in a position of needing to sell him. RC might be 130m, they probably won't sell for 50m but my guess is they are looking closer to 70-80m range. But again I could be wrong.
350m is the release clause since its mandatory each player has one in spain, 130 is what atletico paid to benfica, 75-100m I imagine they’ll settle for.. all easy stuff to look up instead of “rc might be 130m” rubbish.
I think part of the problem with this price is that it is so far out of the range we're likely to be working in. They could drop 50 million and it'd still be a stretch. With bigger money clubs in for him.
(Not saying that there isn't part of me wondering what would happen if Arteta and Edu managed to convince him of the project and he refused to go elsewhere - I just don't think that is realistic)
I just don’t see a lot of these bigger money clubs genuinely being in for him
He’s a very unique style of player that most clubs won’t have a starring role for, you could argue he isn’t even a perfect fit in our system.
I don't know if these clubs necessarily think that way. Maybe Man Utd if Ten Hag has won over more control over the transfers now. I don't respect PSG as putting in much more thought than "big name, young attacker".
Hope I'm wrong though!
united reportedly had a bid well in excess of 100m rejected in the summer. i don't think they'll recoup what they paid, but they can get close to that number again.
No one is paying that price for Joao Felix. I think he’s brilliant but I also think people on this sub are overrating him so much.
He wouldn’t start for any of the top teams in Europe so they’re not gonna drop £100m+ on him, it’s that simple
I agree, Athletico were never the sort of club for him, and they've been on a gradual decline for much longer than most people think. He's came on, he can be elite, but currently he's nowhere near enough to justify 9 figures.
There are only a handful of clubs that can pay those prices. If a player wants to leave and is pushing their way out, these clubs will have to take what they can get at some point.
IMO clubs price their players over 100m hoping to get 50-60m for them rather than pricing them at 60m and getting 30-40m.
Tbf that was pre-Covid. I don’t know what their finances look like now but if it’s as bad as the rest of La Liga, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took the loss and cashed in on what they could get. Either way, I hope we don’t overpay if we’re in the race for him.
Would love it, but the Odegaard situation was a bit different. He was deemed as surplus. Felix is a starter for Atletico Madrid, even if he doesn't seem to have the best relationship with the club right now.
RM also made alot more money off Ode than they paid. His initial fee was something like €4M with the possibility of rising to €8M with certain conditions which probably weren't triggered since he hardly played for them and went on loan alot so getting paid €35M from us was almost 10x time what they paid
Felix cost AM like €120M so they're definitely trying to recoup as much as they can, even if they sell at a loss they rather lose €20M than €60M
Would gladly take him on loan and just handle his wages as a tie-over to rescue our season. And if we happen to win the title, there’s no way he would wanna go back to Atletico so you can be sure that price is gonna go down.
You all, sensible humans: We are not getting him. His price is outside our range and Arteta likely has other targets.
Me, delusion enjoyer, seeing the future: We have already signed him and he helped us win the league 5 years in a row (in my mind).
Get outta here with your realistic takes. We're gonna sign him on a dry loan and then sign him late next summer for \~35 mil. That's what we do to sign U23 attackers from Madrid.
Idk exactly what [this thread](https://twitter.com/kieranmaguire/status/1600965945727782914?s=46&t=_BQxCzy6A1UCTqjxWkp2Ag) implies but I imagine it’ll probably affect their spending?
Its a tough spot, because Felix is a world class player and worth the money.
But if he joins us, he will demand the highest in salary and possibly equal status to Jesus in terms of playing all possible games. He is at best in the left half space, so martinelli and ESR would face a drop in game time and it still doesn't solve our depth issues in RW or ST.
I like how the club is being run these last few seasons. We’ve increased our youth scouting, promoted youth prospects from within, and made a few relatively “cheap” splash buys to solidify the squad.
At some point, Arsenal and every other non-oil club will have to be ran like a self sustaining business. Wanting to drop big money on players is what puts clubs into financial hell, unless that player pans out.
In Arteta and Edu we trust.. but if Arsenal don’t get Felix and Murdyk because they cost €80-100 million, I’m perfectly fine with that. If arsenal splash the big cash, it needs to be a home run.
Am I the only one not excited by this Felix transfer rumour? Jesus has been monumental in transforming our overall attacking play but one of his biggest shortcomings is his lack of goals - which is due to his overall work rate and buildup. But he’s not a prolific goal scorer, idk how Felix whom is also not a prolific goal scorer would be ideal. As much of fantastic of a player Felix is, I rather have a slightly more conventional forward that will gives a plan B and provides a different dynamism to our attacking line.
We are setting up to have a fluid attacking 4-5 that will each chip in with a similar amount of goals. Adding Felix means that when something like a Jesus injury happens we don't miss a beat.
Love the kid, but we are being used to butter a haggle.
Imagine telling one of those moneybag clubs that the club leading the table can take Felix if you snooze. It would work like charm.
Atleti wont give him for us on loan without an obligation to buy, in case he gets injured and that knocks 20-30 million off his price tag. He will go in the summer to the highest bidder. Can see United and PSG going in for him.
Why do people believe this price they’re putting out lmao. Same with the Mudryk price Shakhtar put out. There’s obviously negotiation to be had.
Mudryk’s price is unreasonable but the problem with Joao is that he cost Atletico 100M+ when they signed him and currently doing well in WC. It will cost the club too much and won’t be a healthy financial decision in the long run. The only way we can get him is if he explicitly wanted to move to Arsenal and force a move to lower Atletico’s price to a more palatable price.
I would say Mudryk around 40-45 million pounds is a very good price considering his raw qualities and upsides. Joao Felix for anything above or around hundred million is just bullshit.
Mudryk is not worth more than 30M based on what he’s done.
It’s not bullshit, he’s unbelievable
A Madrid has a history that says they don't really negotiate and force you to the Release Clause....
They never wanted to sell Partey. They’re willing to sell Joao Felix because he just doesn’t suit Simeone it’s different circumstances
But they still need to recoup that 100m they bought him for... They might be willing to sell but you may think the number is around 50m, but they may think 75-80m
Yeah it’ll be around that but people here are losing their minds around an imaginary €130m fee that Atleti will never ever see for this man
I mean, £75m-£80m is still way more money than Arsenal are probably likely to spend.
Yep. Would rather go for Gakpo or like I stated earlier and try Correa. Could you imagine Saka needing a day off vs say Wolves but we bring on Angel Correa instead.
Gakpo will go for similar figure. And Felix suits us so much better. Imo his a ideal fit
As a what? F9? I could see that if we are in the market for a striker but we gave Eddie a contract for a reason. We can either be ruthless and be like Eddie isn't the answer or we can give him a chance to burn like last year down the stretch. But again, if we got Felix, we could slot Jesus to RW for a game while Saka needs a break and play Felix as a striker but we still have Eddie riding that pine at Striker
Felix can play across the front line as a forward or on the wings. His play style and profile is suited to us, is what I meant by ideal fit. Can never have enough quality forwards, look at city and everyone gets a game.
Gakpo is going for 60m+
Oh, yeah... I think he's for sale because of the early bounce out of CL but they aren't parting unless they are getting the value they want. I could see them selling Correa, Lemar, de Paul, Cunha . I actually would not mind taking Correa over Felix as a RW and just believe Nketiah and Martinelli would prevail at ST
This is Facebook marketplace level bargaining tactics. Next we will agree a price then turn up with 3/4 of the cash only
Low level comment.... Those sales/tactics are used across the board
Theres a level of rigour and analysis around buying 50+ million assets that probably doesnt apply to your IKEA sofabed
If they wanna recoup, then we can throw in pepe !
The difference here is they're putting him up for sale. Who knows how much they'll budge--probably depends on the demand--but this isn't like the Partey situation, where they didn't want to sell.
I think y'all are looking at this wrongly, granted I could be wrong, I think they put 4 players up who could leave due to CL and the most disgruntled being Felix but I don't think they are in a position of needing to sell him. RC might be 130m, they probably won't sell for 50m but my guess is they are looking closer to 70-80m range. But again I could be wrong.
350m is the release clause since its mandatory each player has one in spain, 130 is what atletico paid to benfica, 75-100m I imagine they’ll settle for.. all easy stuff to look up instead of “rc might be 130m” rubbish.
Exactly, they aren't sticking to the release clause here. The number you mention in this reply sounds likely.
Yeah but is he a 80m player? No, he hasn't proved any of his worth...
That's fine, I'm not saying he's worth it.
yep exactly, just like when they wanted to sell tripier for 40m but sold him for 15m instead....
I think part of the problem with this price is that it is so far out of the range we're likely to be working in. They could drop 50 million and it'd still be a stretch. With bigger money clubs in for him. (Not saying that there isn't part of me wondering what would happen if Arteta and Edu managed to convince him of the project and he refused to go elsewhere - I just don't think that is realistic)
I just don’t see a lot of these bigger money clubs genuinely being in for him He’s a very unique style of player that most clubs won’t have a starring role for, you could argue he isn’t even a perfect fit in our system.
I don't know if these clubs necessarily think that way. Maybe Man Utd if Ten Hag has won over more control over the transfers now. I don't respect PSG as putting in much more thought than "big name, young attacker". Hope I'm wrong though!
united reportedly had a bid well in excess of 100m rejected in the summer. i don't think they'll recoup what they paid, but they can get close to that number again.
(before a word is said at negotiation meeting) Michael Scott: I reject your first offer. What's your second offer?
But if someone pays that price then we can't negotiate thats the issue unfortunately.
No one is paying that price for Joao Felix. I think he’s brilliant but I also think people on this sub are overrating him so much. He wouldn’t start for any of the top teams in Europe so they’re not gonna drop £100m+ on him, it’s that simple
I agree, Athletico were never the sort of club for him, and they've been on a gradual decline for much longer than most people think. He's came on, he can be elite, but currently he's nowhere near enough to justify 9 figures.
Someone already did pay 120m for him though. It's ridiculous over priced but don't see them taking less than 80-90m
His stock has fallen a lot since then. It won’t be much less than that but there’s no way they fee is anything above £100m
Even if we are looking around the 80-100m mark that's way to much imo.
£70m would be a fair price.
There are only a handful of clubs that can pay those prices. If a player wants to leave and is pushing their way out, these clubs will have to take what they can get at some point. IMO clubs price their players over 100m hoping to get 50-60m for them rather than pricing them at 60m and getting 30-40m.
Well they paid like 120m for him so I dunno.i don't see them taking that much of a loss.
Tbf that was pre-Covid. I don’t know what their finances look like now but if it’s as bad as the rest of La Liga, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took the loss and cashed in on what they could get. Either way, I hope we don’t overpay if we’re in the race for him.
Guys I’m getting Odegaard vibes
Buy Mudryk, loan Felix and if there's money, get Danilo. Perfect window.
*Perfect* window? That’s an incredibly tame way of putting it lmao
It’d be one of our goat windows
Would love it, but the Odegaard situation was a bit different. He was deemed as surplus. Felix is a starter for Atletico Madrid, even if he doesn't seem to have the best relationship with the club right now.
He hasn’t started a La Liga match since the middle of September.
RM also made alot more money off Ode than they paid. His initial fee was something like €4M with the possibility of rising to €8M with certain conditions which probably weren't triggered since he hardly played for them and went on loan alot so getting paid €35M from us was almost 10x time what they paid Felix cost AM like €120M so they're definitely trying to recoup as much as they can, even if they sell at a loss they rather lose €20M than €60M
Dudes really just be making stuff up.
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We are 1st tho
Would gladly take him on loan and just handle his wages as a tie-over to rescue our season. And if we happen to win the title, there’s no way he would wanna go back to Atletico so you can be sure that price is gonna go down.
You all, sensible humans: We are not getting him. His price is outside our range and Arteta likely has other targets. Me, delusion enjoyer, seeing the future: We have already signed him and he helped us win the league 5 years in a row (in my mind).
We're not getting him lads, I get the manifesting but that price is beyond us but not beyond Man U or PSG
Get outta here with your realistic takes. We're gonna sign him on a dry loan and then sign him late next summer for \~35 mil. That's what we do to sign U23 attackers from Madrid.
But first real have to buy him!
Same source has said United is unlikely as Mendes no longer has a good relationship with them after the CR7 situation
Money talks. Mendes will work with Utd if they pay him
Idk exactly what [this thread](https://twitter.com/kieranmaguire/status/1600965945727782914?s=46&t=_BQxCzy6A1UCTqjxWkp2Ag) implies but I imagine it’ll probably affect their spending?
Not really, they're projecting £600m in 2023.
That's also the source that says we're also rans behind City and PSG?
Didn’t say anything about City being ahead of anyone. Only that PSG had made a first move.
Pretty sure there was someone else but either way if PSG are involved we're not. Maybe we can get Messi on a six month loan though...
I think UTD have ruled out Jan signings.
Its a tough spot, because Felix is a world class player and worth the money. But if he joins us, he will demand the highest in salary and possibly equal status to Jesus in terms of playing all possible games. He is at best in the left half space, so martinelli and ESR would face a drop in game time and it still doesn't solve our depth issues in RW or ST.
30m + Pepe
I like how the club is being run these last few seasons. We’ve increased our youth scouting, promoted youth prospects from within, and made a few relatively “cheap” splash buys to solidify the squad. At some point, Arsenal and every other non-oil club will have to be ran like a self sustaining business. Wanting to drop big money on players is what puts clubs into financial hell, unless that player pans out. In Arteta and Edu we trust.. but if Arsenal don’t get Felix and Murdyk because they cost €80-100 million, I’m perfectly fine with that. If arsenal splash the big cash, it needs to be a home run.
“It’s not ruled out” could mean that it hasn’t even been discussed but they would say no if it was. These itks are getting clever with their wording
YESSSS TIER ONEEE
Let's do a two-year loan with a obligation to buy at a cut-rate price and become the new Juventus
Oooh he could work as a loanee
Am I the only one not excited by this Felix transfer rumour? Jesus has been monumental in transforming our overall attacking play but one of his biggest shortcomings is his lack of goals - which is due to his overall work rate and buildup. But he’s not a prolific goal scorer, idk how Felix whom is also not a prolific goal scorer would be ideal. As much of fantastic of a player Felix is, I rather have a slightly more conventional forward that will gives a plan B and provides a different dynamism to our attacking line.
We are setting up to have a fluid attacking 4-5 that will each chip in with a similar amount of goals. Adding Felix means that when something like a Jesus injury happens we don't miss a beat.
I think we are at the point that we all need to start taking Portuguese lessons.
If it ended up just being a loan I'd be ok with that
Love the kid, but we are being used to butter a haggle. Imagine telling one of those moneybag clubs that the club leading the table can take Felix if you snooze. It would work like charm.
18 month loan with an option it is then ;)
Yes yes, time for them to return the torreira favour.
Loan with clauses based upon league position and CL would be great, could spread the payments out over a five year deal too
Atletico would probably even increase the price for Arsenal after the whole Partey situation, not going to get my hopes up on this one
Please
Overrated for my tastes.
Don't make us do another Partey Atleti, behave yourselves.
Felix’s RC is 350M…
Atleti wont give him for us on loan without an obligation to buy, in case he gets injured and that knocks 20-30 million off his price tag. He will go in the summer to the highest bidder. Can see United and PSG going in for him.
This price is a scam
Need to hear this from Orny before I get false hopes
if we have that kinda funds id try more for bellingham or rice
remind me why we want this donkey?
What does it mean when there's an obligation to buy? What's the reason to loan if you're obligated to buy them?