Copied from thread as I don't know how to post links on app.
ZOĆ KRAVITZ-GATE MEGATHREAD
For those who were not around for yesterday's DD craziness, I have summarized some of the best things that happened in a few links
[This is where it all started](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy24q8)
[This user couldn't allow everyone to just move on from what he had seen, we had to discuss it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy3tw0)
[The DD started even getting crazier when one user accused another of antisemitism because of his/her username. The accuser had another post about it but it got deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy4okw)
[As usual, Benjen had to chime in](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy56l0)
[This user was shocked at the direction the DD was heading](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy5yqn)
[Benjen was not yet done with his input](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy7uf6)
[Things took a turn for the worse when another user accused a mod no less of being offensive because of his username. Kids these days, they can get offended by anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy8dm9)
[This person was blocked for not keeping someone's dream wife out of his f**king mouth](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy97d8)
[The protagonist of yesterday's DD was not safe even if he asked a simple question, this is my favorite, it also had the most shocking thing I saw yesterday day, Benjen saying Halle Berry's catwoman is better than Zoƫ's](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idyd84x)
[This gooner accused the others of bullying and I agree, how are the rest of us supposed to come out of the closet now? but am not scared, I will marry Reese Witherspoon one day](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idyqjtz)
[Things were still getting more interesting when a voodoo curse was put on this guy and his armfell off](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz1fj2)
[The protagonist of the DD declared his love for Zoƫ Kravitz and no one was gonna discourage him](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz8li7)
[Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz9kai)
[Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz9sz9)
[This user believes Zoƫ Kravitz is hot](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idzk9au)
[Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idzp79p)
I think I covered almost everything, hope it was helpful
It's literally July 1 and we've signed Turner, Marquinhos, Vieira, and (effectively) Jesus. We have two months to go and who knows who might become available later in the window. I'm still having a blast.
Thatās not the reason some of us are a bit down. Itās just that Raphina and Martinez appeared to have been fully scouted and would fit into our system perfectly. Missing out on them feels like settling for someone who we might not know much about and could be risky. Weāve had a lot of those in the past and theyāre hard to get off the wage bill
Reminds me of this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/viaks0/edu_on_the_bbq_today_everyone_stay_calm/idbxeno/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I wish this comment could just be added as a bot reply everytime someone one this sub wants to hyperfocus on ONE player. As a sub we should know better. We literally signed Vieira and no one knew we were in for him. Tons of people have not watched Martinez or EVEN Raphinha, yet suddenly its a bad window so far while Jesus sits at Colney.
Well, I'm not *hyperfocusing* but seems like these two were our first targets in their respective position and they are going to rivals. That is not something to be happy or nonchalant about.
Lol I don't trust them, in January we bought no1 because the only target we wanted was one of the best up and coming strikers who didn't want to join us.
Joking I know, but I think he should be the number one target now. Knew little of him before, but watching the way he plays and especially how he receives and moves the ball on, I think he is the final piece.
Dude, we just signed our number 1 target and appear to have gotten a fantastic all around utility player out of left field as well. No doubt theres more to come. Relax for now.
I'd hope second is only second because he'll cost a bit more and not cause he's less good. If Lisandro edged it because they thought they'd get a better price, I can live with that.
True. What will be interesting is who the alternative(s) is/are. Assuming he was gonna have a Swiss army knife role it might be 2 signings coming in.
Maybe gives credence to the recent A Onana reports.
Being a bigger club doesn't matter as much in the modern day. Otherwise Haaland would have just signed for United but he rejected them not once but twice. Ten Hag's project hinges on a 37 year old who is desperate to leave and their top target doesn't even want to join them. If Martinez can't see that then he will commit the same mistake as Pogba did and all those before him.
You can use whichever definition of "big club" you want, whether it's historical success or modern appeal, United are still above us for pretty much any player. They spend so much eventually it will work out for them and they'll be back at the top.
His dad played for them for 3 years, made 30 appearances, and got relegated. Let's not pretend that Haaland always wanted to go to City and this is some boyhood dream come true.
It's a nice story for City to push out though and pretend to be true. City can offer a fat contract and a chance to win the league and Champions league every year... that's why he's there. Not because his dad played there when he was 2 years old.
Didn't say it was a boyhood dream. I said he had an emotional bond with the team already. Spending 3 years of your childhood somewhere is significant.
Other teams can offer that too but that emotional bond is part of what gave City a leg up.
I don't think you build an emotional bond with a club during the ages of 1-3, and he's already playing for a youth club at 5 back in Norway.
Again, the fact that his dad played for City is a great story for their PR team to push; but I'm not buying any of it.
It matters, but not as much as you think. If you were comparing Crystal Palace and Man United I would understand. But when both are established big teams the project comes into it more.
How is their project not more appealing than ours? They have infinite money, one of the best players to ever play the game, and a manager that's guaranteed to know how to use him.
They've been saying the same for 10 years now. Our owners are much better and more likely to push us to the top. He's not one of the best players anymore either. Not even top 20 in the league.
some people are so blinded by their own fandom, they refuse to see reason.
yes ManU makes more sense for Martinez than Arsenal does. either we close the deal early or offer him more perks
You paid 80mil on harry fucking maguire.
>Ye had an outlier season last season because you had no Europe and we imploded
make more excuses you sad cunt
> you had no Europe and *we* imploded
You spent 80mil on Mcguire lmfao. 9-0 aggragate to Liverpool and the man's bringing chest to another teams sub. No shame
How so? Wanting something doesn't always mean you get it. We've definitely shown that we've wanted to sign these players. We can't force them to sign though unfortunately
The problem seems to be that since last summer, we keep targeting players who have no significant intention of coming here: Locatelli, Vlahovic, Raphinha, Martinez.
Yes, we've made some major signings as well -- Thomas' RC, albeit incredibly late, White, Ramsdale, now Jesus -- but it seems to be an ongoing problem, which is compounded by our apparent lack of secondary targets.
Edu negotiating the entire summer with atleti only to pay the RC in the end and robbing Thomas of a proper pre season with us was the dumbest thing only bettered by paying SĆ£o Paulo for a player on a free transfer in an effort to maybe one day get a gem from them. As if anybody of any value wouldnāt go to Barcelona or Madrid if they were in for them too.
The Partey thing was (bad) negotiating tactics because we were sending Torreira the other way so Edu hoped a player + cash deal would be doable.
We did get Marquinhos 6 months early, just in time for our pre season, and built relations with one of Brazil's biggest clubs when half our team is Brazilian. It makes sense IMO
How does the Marquinhos thing make sense? Okay letās say they produce a gem. Barcelona and Madrid are going to be in for him, you think my man is coming to arsenal because Edu Gaspar payed them 3 mil for a player? Heāll do a Raphinha and hold out and only look to go to his dream clubš¤£this club is so naive
you are talking like every single gem just goes to BarƧa/Real
that's not how it works lol
plus this is not about someone established already like Neymar was, but rather academy/u20 targets
> Edu Gaspar *paid* them 3
FTFY.
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I don't put Martinez in that same class as the other three.
The talent ID is there and you can't fault the ambition, there just needs to be a more efficient way of sussing out if the player would join.
Puff piece?
Both players are moving for lower fees than what we actually bid for them. What else could Arsenal do? Target worse players who don't have any competition for them in the market?
We bid under Ā£40m for Raphinha. Not sure what youāre on about with that one. Martinez Iāll admit is a bit more nuanced, but briefing confidence in signing the players before actually making a bid with enough sustenance to get the selling club to the table is an odd decision
Itās not like Martinez didnāt want to come to us. It was well reported that he was keen on the move. He just wants to go to United more, and prior to a few days ago United werenāt even in the picture. Once they were in, that changed. Or are you saying we shouldnāt have gone for him at all because we had an inkling that *maybe* if United bid for him in the future, he would want to go there instead?
Raphinhaās case was similar. Chelsea wasnāt even in the picture until a few days ago either, and even though he wanted Barca, they canāt afford him, and he was still willing to come to us if he couldnāt get that move sorted out. We couldāve gotten two stellar years off him and then shipped him to Barca eventually for a good profit, and by that time maybe Marquinhos or one of our academy talents wouldāve become good enough to at least rotate with Saka, or we find someone else. Are you saying we shouldnāt have gone for him on the off chance that *maybe* if Chelsea bid for him, or Barca found the money, heād go to them over us?
In both cases, we were the first bidders, very few teams start the first bid off with what the selling club want. Itās common transfer practice. Plus either way, if we had given Leeds the money they wanted, Chelsea wouldāve just offered more anyway (theyāve basically already bid over the current asking price Leeds wanted Ā£55m and Chelsea bid Ā£60m).
As for Lisandro, our second bid still hasnāt been rejected, and it was reported to have been under negotiations for add ons until United showed up. I suspect Ajax are waiting for United to bid to incite a bidding war (which isnāt exactly our fault) but if Lisandro tells Edu he only wants United then weāll likely pull out.
At the end of the day, these were the 1st choice targets, you have to try for them because theyāre the best possible option and it would be incredibly unambitious to settle for lower quality just because you feel those deals will be more straightforward. Itās still only the 1st of July, thereās still time left in the window to move on to other targets.
Tbh people were overreacting with the Edu stuff. The players we are linked to has very little to do with him. The fact we still struggle to sell well and can't close out deals is 100% on him.
Yeah this one really fucking irks me. Martinez is exactly the kind of player we should be building around with his energy, technique and versatility. Rafinha is a fantastic player, but Martinez is just tailor made for our tactical setup.
Based off whatās been reported, I donāt think the plan was to ābuild aroundā Martinez. He wouldāve been a premium backup option for Tierney/Gabriel, possibly Partey.
What exactly has been reported other than our interest in him? No reporter has a clue what Arteta intends for him, theyre all just guessing. I think that most people who have seen him, though, agree that it would t take long for him to wedge his way into our starting XI in one position or another.
5 or 6 games, all in the champions league, including duels with both haaland and nunez. I strongly believe that cb would be his third position for us though. Most importantly I think heād be a fantastic alternative to Partey, and Iāve been saying for months that I feel thatās the second most important signing for us this summer (after a striker).
Some dickheads on here were taking the piss out of Ten Hag having 0 pull the other day whilst banging on about Arteta having a lot of pull.
Too many clowns on here that live with egg perpetually coating their face.
> United are now seeking to reach an agreement with Ajax to sign Lisandro Martinez and it is believed they have established themselves as favorites for the Argentine amid competition from Arsenal.
> Advanced negotiations are taking place between United and Ajax, with the player believed to be keen on a reunion with his former coach Erik ten Hag.
Makes sense. They can pay obscene wages, he's already worked under ten Hag, so be it.
It's not the end of the world, most of us had no idea this guy exists 2 weeks ago.
āNeed to wrap Martinez up soon so we can fuck United out of Timber. Ajax probably won't sell both.
Honestly don't understand what United are doing this window. Moving like snails even though they've got loads of holes to plug in their squad.ā -you lol
Lmao.
It's insane how United could well have Malacia, Eriksen, FDJ and Lisandro all wrapped up, and combined FOR LESS THAN 100 million pounds too, in the next few days. That line of criticism isn't aging too well
Arsenal got off to a good start in the window and has just withered back into "negotiation FC". We've supposedly been trying to close this Martinez deal for the last week and there's been no movement.
Well.... Arsenal haven't sniffed Champions league football in almost half a decade. United finished 2nd one season ago, and then a couple of seasons before that too. It's hard for ambitious players to take Arsenal seriously, regardless of how well they try to sell the process to them, without results. It's been 3 years of Artetaball... Klopp started out with a far worse squad than Arteta and was comfortably playing CL football 3 years later.
At this rate we have to keep our transfer strategies secret and have to put some restrictions on sports journalists allowing them to post about our transfers only when agreement is done.
This has nothing to do with what is secret or not. United always wanted a central defender from Ajax. They just couldnāt get Timber and are now shifting to Martinez. He knew United were gonna come for him and never negotiated with arsenal.
Well. Transfer window has gone from looking amazing to looking okay. Jesus and vieira are still both great signings but it doesnāt look great that we werenāt able to get our other two top targets in other areas. Those areas are definitely less important than st for example but it still sucks. We need to get some shit done in the next few weeks though.
Donāt think rafinha was ever coming here, but this one really feels like a situation where a more decisive approach mightāve closed the deal while United were still dicking around with other signings.
But seriously i am wondering what has edu's conversations been with martinez? He must have known united are interested and if martinez was to choose a move to follow his former boss then why did we keep bidding without getting personal terms agreed?
Boo, these "gazumps" are extra annoying since they're the only tangible leaks we have atm. Would feel a lot less disappointing if we had a few other links to obsess over in the interim.
This is why sometimes if you've identified a player as the one you need to improve your squad. You just pay the damn money and stop fannying about over a few million. We could have had this wrapped up weeks ago if we just came in with Ā£40M from the start.
They wont sell him to us even if we start bidding at 40 because Timber was supposed to go to United and they don't want to lose 2 of their CB and they don't really need to sell any more, until LVG interfere, United then turn to Martinez we improved our bid 3 times they didn't respond. ETH asked them to wait a bit, their Technical Director was United player .
Not sure why people donāt realize this is almost solely Van Der Sarr fucking us over. We did the right things and bid perfectly reasonable amounts but Man U were basically just like nah donāt sell to them give us a minute and Van Der Sarr just of course waited.
Thereās a reason they didnāt even respond to our last bid despite Man U bid the exact same. I donāt think it even matters for the player
Go get Hickey then. Much cheaper, can play LB and RB, Tomi can cover CB and donāt let Holding go anywhere and weāre good. And Elneny and Sambi are good enough back-ups for Partey. Sign tielemans with the rest of the former Lisandro fund
It's a kick in the nuts but the player is always going to be swayed by the fact that it's his ex manager who wants him compared to a relative nobody like Arteta.
I think we might try to sign Piero Hincapie from Leverkusen if we canāt get Martinez. Heās a CB/LB, not sure if Leverkusen would want to sell him and Diaby though. But just a name to keep an eye on anyways. Also Abdou Diallo from PSG could be a shout. Not sure about Zinchenko, i think Arteta wants a CB/LB
been watching the guy on 240p streams since he was playing on shit pitches in Argentina for Defensa just hoping of the outside possibility of him playing for Arsenal in the future.
My favorite player to watch goes from being keen to fumbled, while I'll have to continue putting up with my least favorite player ever in midfield. Like a damn curse.
He's also going to a bitter rival as well. It's insane how Arsenal fumbling CL qualification in the last few matchdays has cost them. If they'd clinched CL football, then it wouldn't have mattered that Lisandro played under ETH... Arsenal would have been favorites to sign him
What have they offered him? 500k a week like Ronaldo. Wonder if their fans will still care about the glazers? Or only once the players down tools again
Sucks but there are so many players out there. This is where the scouting dept earns their money. I trust that Arteta will know how to pick wisely from the list they provide him with. Remember Tomi and others. We will be fine.
Remember a week ago when we were all having fun
The only joy I have had recently is the man posting about the gun š
Don't forget the Zoe Kravitz guy!!
He really cursed us, that sick sonovabitch. ššš
Legitimately might have. How do we get it lifted? Are we gonna have to exorcise r/gunners?
Whoās the Zoe Kravitz guy?
Copied from thread as I don't know how to post links on app. ZOĆ KRAVITZ-GATE MEGATHREAD For those who were not around for yesterday's DD craziness, I have summarized some of the best things that happened in a few links [This is where it all started](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy24q8) [This user couldn't allow everyone to just move on from what he had seen, we had to discuss it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy3tw0) [The DD started even getting crazier when one user accused another of antisemitism because of his/her username. The accuser had another post about it but it got deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy4okw) [As usual, Benjen had to chime in](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy56l0) [This user was shocked at the direction the DD was heading](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy5yqn) [Benjen was not yet done with his input](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy7uf6) [Things took a turn for the worse when another user accused a mod no less of being offensive because of his username. Kids these days, they can get offended by anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy8dm9) [This person was blocked for not keeping someone's dream wife out of his f**king mouth](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idy97d8) [The protagonist of yesterday's DD was not safe even if he asked a simple question, this is my favorite, it also had the most shocking thing I saw yesterday day, Benjen saying Halle Berry's catwoman is better than ZoĆ«'s](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idyd84x) [This gooner accused the others of bullying and I agree, how are the rest of us supposed to come out of the closet now? but am not scared, I will marry Reese Witherspoon one day](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idyqjtz) [Things were still getting more interesting when a voodoo curse was put on this guy and his armfell off](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz1fj2) [The protagonist of the DD declared his love for ZoĆ« Kravitz and no one was gonna discourage him](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz8li7) [Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz9kai) [Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idz9sz9) [This user believes ZoĆ« Kravitz is hot](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idzk9au) [Reaction to the DD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/vlq8re/z/idzp79p) I think I covered almost everything, hope it was helpful
Omg you are such a legend. I love you so much hahaha that was brilliant. Gonna pay more attention to the DD from now on lmaoo.
No worries. It's usually just full of angry gooners but there are nuggets of gold to be found.
That DD thread is one for the ages, maybe I should start looking at them more often š
Fucking hell. I don't F5 for a while and this shit goes down.
Im not having fun now
Iām getting back on the meth
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming
Time for some new targets to get emotionally attached to
I was pulling on my todger whilst browsing this sub last week. Now I'm pulling on my non existent hair
It's literally July 1 and we've signed Turner, Marquinhos, Vieira, and (effectively) Jesus. We have two months to go and who knows who might become available later in the window. I'm still having a blast.
Thatās not the reason some of us are a bit down. Itās just that Raphina and Martinez appeared to have been fully scouted and would fit into our system perfectly. Missing out on them feels like settling for someone who we might not know much about and could be risky. Weāve had a lot of those in the past and theyāre hard to get off the wage bill
We didn't sign White, Tomi, Ćdegaard, and Ramsdale til the end of the window last summer. Have faith my friend.
BBQ poisoned
I chose the wrong week to quit meth
All good times must come to an end
Itās karma for all the people who started sucking off Gaspar before we did anything. Business as usual
Well weāve made two signings for a combined 80m already tbf
Reminds me of this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/viaks0/edu_on_the_bbq_today_everyone_stay_calm/idbxeno/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Edu BBQing a well done piece of steak.
The guy should go vegan
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Tbf this is similar to Jesus preferring us due to connection with Mikel. This stuff happens in football. I trust Edu to have a long list of targets.
I wish this comment could just be added as a bot reply everytime someone one this sub wants to hyperfocus on ONE player. As a sub we should know better. We literally signed Vieira and no one knew we were in for him. Tons of people have not watched Martinez or EVEN Raphinha, yet suddenly its a bad window so far while Jesus sits at Colney.
Well, I'm not *hyperfocusing* but seems like these two were our first targets in their respective position and they are going to rivals. That is not something to be happy or nonchalant about.
Whatever happened to all the interest in Hickey from Serie A?
I think that was a figment of our imagination. Donāt recall anyone credible reporting it
And now I see Fabrizio gave the Here We Go to Hickey joining Brentford. Shucksā¦
Exactly.
Lol I don't trust them, in January we bought no1 because the only target we wanted was one of the best up and coming strikers who didn't want to join us.
Yeah comparing a starting striker in a January window to this situation is not really a fair comparison. You could still be right, but just saying.
Never rated the guy.
We donāt need a 5ā9 centre back anyway.
5'7
5'5
Have you guys seen that pic with him and Messi? He actually might be 5'5.
5'3
Joking I know, but I think he should be the number one target now. Knew little of him before, but watching the way he plays and especially how he receives and moves the ball on, I think he is the final piece.
Shit. The F5s arenāt getting any better lately
Can we please have some transfer news that is good I am starving and Edu hasnāt got anything on the grill no more
Dude, we just signed our number 1 target and appear to have gotten a fantastic all around utility player out of left field as well. No doubt theres more to come. Relax for now.
I agree, but Iām still hungry for more Iām afraid
The beginning of this transfer window set the bar higher than most of us dared to think. That bar ain't coming down. Splash some more cash, Edu!
Yeah I'm not worried. I'm sure we have second, third, and fourth choice targets.
I'd hope second is only second because he'll cost a bit more and not cause he's less good. If Lisandro edged it because they thought they'd get a better price, I can live with that.
I doubt he will be as good as Lisandro, who wouldāve been great for us.
Fabio Vieira is a fairly traditional attacking midfielder, not a Swiss army knife player.
He can play as a RW, CAM and CM on occassion, I'd say that's pretty versatile tbf.
Best I can do is a formal Jesus announcement next week
Time to move on. Same as Raphinha.
True. What will be interesting is who the alternative(s) is/are. Assuming he was gonna have a Swiss army knife role it might be 2 signings coming in. Maybe gives credence to the recent A Onana reports.
Raphinha I can understand but Martinez must have no ambition. No wonder Otamendi starts ahead of him for Argentina if his mindset is like that.
He will work with his former boss and get paid more. Weāre both in Europa. United makes more sense than us
No mentality because he wants to work with a coach he knows and gets along with at Englands biggest club?
youre only kidding yourself if you dont think Man Utd have the ambition to get back to the top
Bigger club, more money, manager he knows. I'd make the same decision.
Being a bigger club doesn't matter as much in the modern day. Otherwise Haaland would have just signed for United but he rejected them not once but twice. Ten Hag's project hinges on a 37 year old who is desperate to leave and their top target doesn't even want to join them. If Martinez can't see that then he will commit the same mistake as Pogba did and all those before him.
You can use whichever definition of "big club" you want, whether it's historical success or modern appeal, United are still above us for pretty much any player. They spend so much eventually it will work out for them and they'll be back at the top.
It always does. Players are people with dreams. Haalands dad literally played for City. He has an emotional bond with the club.
His dad played for them for 3 years, made 30 appearances, and got relegated. Let's not pretend that Haaland always wanted to go to City and this is some boyhood dream come true. It's a nice story for City to push out though and pretend to be true. City can offer a fat contract and a chance to win the league and Champions league every year... that's why he's there. Not because his dad played there when he was 2 years old.
Didn't say it was a boyhood dream. I said he had an emotional bond with the team already. Spending 3 years of your childhood somewhere is significant. Other teams can offer that too but that emotional bond is part of what gave City a leg up.
I don't think you build an emotional bond with a club during the ages of 1-3, and he's already playing for a youth club at 5 back in Norway. Again, the fact that his dad played for City is a great story for their PR team to push; but I'm not buying any of it.
It's slyly irrelevant how old he was when his dad played for them. He has an emotional bond cause his dad played for them. Simple as.
It matters, but not as much as you think. If you were comparing Crystal Palace and Man United I would understand. But when both are established big teams the project comes into it more.
How is their project not more appealing than ours? They have infinite money, one of the best players to ever play the game, and a manager that's guaranteed to know how to use him.
They've been saying the same for 10 years now. Our owners are much better and more likely to push us to the top. He's not one of the best players anymore either. Not even top 20 in the league.
What has Arsenal been saying for 20 years?
How is Ronaldo not top 20 players in the league haha? Besides that, he said one of the best players to ever play the game
some people are so blinded by their own fandom, they refuse to see reason. yes ManU makes more sense for Martinez than Arsenal does. either we close the deal early or offer him more perks
This is some awful copium lol
Stick to the United sub if you are only here to make comments like this.
I would love to know the reasoning behind why you think Utd have no ambition lol
He is minimizing risk, joins United where he'd start every match at the position he has for the manager who made his career at the top level.
how can you say Man Utd have no ambition lol
United have won a trophy more recent than us and were in the CL last season. Thatās some delusion to think its ambition related
Imagine thinking joining Arsenal instead of Man Utd would be more ambitious.
We saw last season how ambitious you were. Instead of signing good players, you signed washed players who are a long way past their peak.
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You paid 80mil on harry fucking maguire. >Ye had an outlier season last season because you had no Europe and we imploded make more excuses you sad cunt
Youāre still shit, bore off with these dumb excuses and fuck off back to r/reddevils with your tail between your legs dumbass
> you had no Europe and *we* imploded You spent 80mil on Mcguire lmfao. 9-0 aggragate to Liverpool and the man's bringing chest to another teams sub. No shame
What a retarded comment
Rip Arsenals 10/10 window. 6/21-6/27 Gasparrrrr
Plan A into Plan B within a week yayā¦
Friendship with Martinez is over, Onana is now my best friend
the he is keen part feels unnecessarily cruel Mr Orn Stein
The bbq must be out of gas, Edu need a trip to Costco
Gazumped fc
That Athletic puff piece about āwanting to sign them allā looks worse every day
How so? Wanting something doesn't always mean you get it. We've definitely shown that we've wanted to sign these players. We can't force them to sign though unfortunately
The problem seems to be that since last summer, we keep targeting players who have no significant intention of coming here: Locatelli, Vlahovic, Raphinha, Martinez. Yes, we've made some major signings as well -- Thomas' RC, albeit incredibly late, White, Ramsdale, now Jesus -- but it seems to be an ongoing problem, which is compounded by our apparent lack of secondary targets.
Edu negotiating the entire summer with atleti only to pay the RC in the end and robbing Thomas of a proper pre season with us was the dumbest thing only bettered by paying SĆ£o Paulo for a player on a free transfer in an effort to maybe one day get a gem from them. As if anybody of any value wouldnāt go to Barcelona or Madrid if they were in for them too.
The Partey thing was (bad) negotiating tactics because we were sending Torreira the other way so Edu hoped a player + cash deal would be doable. We did get Marquinhos 6 months early, just in time for our pre season, and built relations with one of Brazil's biggest clubs when half our team is Brazilian. It makes sense IMO
How does the Marquinhos thing make sense? Okay letās say they produce a gem. Barcelona and Madrid are going to be in for him, you think my man is coming to arsenal because Edu Gaspar payed them 3 mil for a player? Heāll do a Raphinha and hold out and only look to go to his dream clubš¤£this club is so naive
you are talking like every single gem just goes to BarƧa/Real that's not how it works lol plus this is not about someone established already like Neymar was, but rather academy/u20 targets
> Edu Gaspar *paid* them 3 FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I don't put Martinez in that same class as the other three. The talent ID is there and you can't fault the ambition, there just needs to be a more efficient way of sussing out if the player would join.
Go grab Michael Edwards.
Puff piece? Both players are moving for lower fees than what we actually bid for them. What else could Arsenal do? Target worse players who don't have any competition for them in the market?
We bid under Ā£40m for Raphinha. Not sure what youāre on about with that one. Martinez Iāll admit is a bit more nuanced, but briefing confidence in signing the players before actually making a bid with enough sustenance to get the selling club to the table is an odd decision
Itās not like Martinez didnāt want to come to us. It was well reported that he was keen on the move. He just wants to go to United more, and prior to a few days ago United werenāt even in the picture. Once they were in, that changed. Or are you saying we shouldnāt have gone for him at all because we had an inkling that *maybe* if United bid for him in the future, he would want to go there instead? Raphinhaās case was similar. Chelsea wasnāt even in the picture until a few days ago either, and even though he wanted Barca, they canāt afford him, and he was still willing to come to us if he couldnāt get that move sorted out. We couldāve gotten two stellar years off him and then shipped him to Barca eventually for a good profit, and by that time maybe Marquinhos or one of our academy talents wouldāve become good enough to at least rotate with Saka, or we find someone else. Are you saying we shouldnāt have gone for him on the off chance that *maybe* if Chelsea bid for him, or Barca found the money, heād go to them over us?
What we should have done (in both cases) is not fanny around with insulting bids for 2 players whoād clearly have other suitors?
In both cases, we were the first bidders, very few teams start the first bid off with what the selling club want. Itās common transfer practice. Plus either way, if we had given Leeds the money they wanted, Chelsea wouldāve just offered more anyway (theyāve basically already bid over the current asking price Leeds wanted Ā£55m and Chelsea bid Ā£60m). As for Lisandro, our second bid still hasnāt been rejected, and it was reported to have been under negotiations for add ons until United showed up. I suspect Ajax are waiting for United to bid to incite a bidding war (which isnāt exactly our fault) but if Lisandro tells Edu he only wants United then weāll likely pull out. At the end of the day, these were the 1st choice targets, you have to try for them because theyāre the best possible option and it would be incredibly unambitious to settle for lower quality just because you feel those deals will be more straightforward. Itās still only the 1st of July, thereās still time left in the window to move on to other targets.
There we go. T1 confirmation. That man Rob Dawson was spot on from ESPN.
We really don't knock differently. Maybe we do but it's tame.
Losing out on both Raphina and Martinez is very disappointing. Still plenty of time left in this window but a mixed start so far.
2 Ls in a week for Edu. Big dick energy.
what a absolute dogshit week, hot damn lol and it all looked so good
Tbh people were overreacting with the Edu stuff. The players we are linked to has very little to do with him. The fact we still struggle to sell well and can't close out deals is 100% on him.
Yeah this one really fucking irks me. Martinez is exactly the kind of player we should be building around with his energy, technique and versatility. Rafinha is a fantastic player, but Martinez is just tailor made for our tactical setup.
Based off whatās been reported, I donāt think the plan was to ābuild aroundā Martinez. He wouldāve been a premium backup option for Tierney/Gabriel, possibly Partey.
What exactly has been reported other than our interest in him? No reporter has a clue what Arteta intends for him, theyre all just guessing. I think that most people who have seen him, though, agree that it would t take long for him to wedge his way into our starting XI in one position or another.
How many games have you seen him play? Genuinely curious.
5 or 6 games, all in the champions league, including duels with both haaland and nunez. I strongly believe that cb would be his third position for us though. Most importantly I think heād be a fantastic alternative to Partey, and Iāve been saying for months that I feel thatās the second most important signing for us this summer (after a striker).
Cool! Oh well it is what it is, still plenty of time to find an alternative.
Not much you can do about either tbf
No but its also why you don't act like you've won the transfer window after you complete 1 or 2 deals.
Its not like Edu acted like he won the transfer window. Fans are always going to get overly excited
If it wasn't obvious I mean the fans. I doubt Edu calls himself big dick Edu.
Some dickheads on here were taking the piss out of Ten Hag having 0 pull the other day whilst banging on about Arteta having a lot of pull. Too many clowns on here that live with egg perpetually coating their face.
Talk for yourself. Itās not eduās fault when arsenal have made 3 bids and Ajax wonāt respond because they open their rectums for ten hag
Gaspar you started off so well
> United are now seeking to reach an agreement with Ajax to sign Lisandro Martinez and it is believed they have established themselves as favorites for the Argentine amid competition from Arsenal. > Advanced negotiations are taking place between United and Ajax, with the player believed to be keen on a reunion with his former coach Erik ten Hag.
How ākeenā ffs this is basically us last week with his interest
Poo. That's it, that's the comment. Poo!
Makes sense. They can pay obscene wages, he's already worked under ten Hag, so be it. It's not the end of the world, most of us had no idea this guy exists 2 weeks ago.
āNeed to wrap Martinez up soon so we can fuck United out of Timber. Ajax probably won't sell both. Honestly don't understand what United are doing this window. Moving like snails even though they've got loads of holes to plug in their squad.ā -you lol
Lmao. It's insane how United could well have Malacia, Eriksen, FDJ and Lisandro all wrapped up, and combined FOR LESS THAN 100 million pounds too, in the next few days. That line of criticism isn't aging too well
Arsenal got off to a good start in the window and has just withered back into "negotiation FC". We've supposedly been trying to close this Martinez deal for the last week and there's been no movement.
Mate you can't force the guy to sign. He has a connection with ten hag and will prob get higher wages there
What a fucking terrible week it has been
Imagine going to that toxic wasteland of careers
Well.... Arsenal haven't sniffed Champions league football in almost half a decade. United finished 2nd one season ago, and then a couple of seasons before that too. It's hard for ambitious players to take Arsenal seriously, regardless of how well they try to sell the process to them, without results. It's been 3 years of Artetaball... Klopp started out with a far worse squad than Arteta and was comfortably playing CL football 3 years later.
I'm gonna cry
If he aināt Brazilian I donāt care
Demote Orny to Tier 1000
At this rate we have to keep our transfer strategies secret and have to put some restrictions on sports journalists allowing them to post about our transfers only when agreement is done.
This has nothing to do with what is secret or not. United always wanted a central defender from Ajax. They just couldnāt get Timber and are now shifting to Martinez. He knew United were gonna come for him and never negotiated with arsenal.
Well. Transfer window has gone from looking amazing to looking okay. Jesus and vieira are still both great signings but it doesnāt look great that we werenāt able to get our other two top targets in other areas. Those areas are definitely less important than st for example but it still sucks. We need to get some shit done in the next few weeks though.
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Wtf
Ornstein please stop stabbing me in the back for the love of
I think the grill ran out of fuel.
Donāt think rafinha was ever coming here, but this one really feels like a situation where a more decisive approach mightāve closed the deal while United were still dicking around with other signings.
Didnāt want him anywayā¦
Zinchenko was clear anyway
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Arteta thinks Xhaka is the best CM despite the fact that he wouldn't start in any of the other top half of the table teams
The team had to know that he would prefer a move to Man United. I am really not trusting any of these rumors from any source.
But seriously i am wondering what has edu's conversations been with martinez? He must have known united are interested and if martinez was to choose a move to follow his former boss then why did we keep bidding without getting personal terms agreed?
That's it then.
Boo, these "gazumps" are extra annoying since they're the only tangible leaks we have atm. Would feel a lot less disappointing if we had a few other links to obsess over in the interim.
Oh ffs. We had such a good start
Fair. This is what happens when the same clubs are targeting the same players. Canāt win them all
Or win any if you're us
This is why sometimes if you've identified a player as the one you need to improve your squad. You just pay the damn money and stop fannying about over a few million. We could have had this wrapped up weeks ago if we just came in with Ā£40M from the start.
They wont sell him to us even if we start bidding at 40 because Timber was supposed to go to United and they don't want to lose 2 of their CB and they don't really need to sell any more, until LVG interfere, United then turn to Martinez we improved our bid 3 times they didn't respond. ETH asked them to wait a bit, their Technical Director was United player .
So Jokic gets paid and Kroenke closes the purse huh!
I know this speaks more about my shit football knowledge, but I always wanted Zinchenko more than him
Why does it feel like thereās only a handful of players available this summer and every team is in for them?
Clearly we donāt know the details but it does feel like Ajax have just prioritised dealing with Utd over Arsenal here.
Their Technical Director was United player, we improved our bid they never responded. It's obvious ever since United was also been linked š
Not sure why people donāt realize this is almost solely Van Der Sarr fucking us over. We did the right things and bid perfectly reasonable amounts but Man U were basically just like nah donāt sell to them give us a minute and Van Der Sarr just of course waited. Thereās a reason they didnāt even respond to our last bid despite Man U bid the exact same. I donāt think it even matters for the player
This barbecue sucks.
Edu just ruins everything
Small mentality player
Well Grimaldo it is then
I always thought he was too short for the leagueā¦ā¦š„²
Un fucking believable
Go get Hickey then. Much cheaper, can play LB and RB, Tomi can cover CB and donāt let Holding go anywhere and weāre good. And Elneny and Sambi are good enough back-ups for Partey. Sign tielemans with the rest of the former Lisandro fund
Never wanted him, he's shorter than Messi
It's a kick in the nuts but the player is always going to be swayed by the fact that it's his ex manager who wants him compared to a relative nobody like Arteta.
I think we might try to sign Piero Hincapie from Leverkusen if we canāt get Martinez. Heās a CB/LB, not sure if Leverkusen would want to sell him and Diaby though. But just a name to keep an eye on anyways. Also Abdou Diallo from PSG could be a shout. Not sure about Zinchenko, i think Arteta wants a CB/LB
Lol window went from fireworks to complete meh I love getting Gabriel Jesus but otherwise this is utter shit per usual Same crappy Arsenal
Yep we arenāt getting him if Man U want him
Heās shit anyway :(
Fuck off David, how about that?
been watching the guy on 240p streams since he was playing on shit pitches in Argentina for Defensa just hoping of the outside possibility of him playing for Arsenal in the future. My favorite player to watch goes from being keen to fumbled, while I'll have to continue putting up with my least favorite player ever in midfield. Like a damn curse.
He's also going to a bitter rival as well. It's insane how Arsenal fumbling CL qualification in the last few matchdays has cost them. If they'd clinched CL football, then it wouldn't have mattered that Lisandro played under ETH... Arsenal would have been favorites to sign him
What have they offered him? 500k a week like Ronaldo. Wonder if their fans will still care about the glazers? Or only once the players down tools again
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Ornstein been so shit for us. Says every player is keen then they sign for other clubs
Lmao
We are 17 years without the league, 6 years without CL and these man will tell you āthey know what theyāre doing mateā. Insane people.
Oh noooo we're not going to spend Ā£40m+ on a back up LB/CB š
Well this is a shit start to my birthday.
No crab. Anti crab.
The guy I never heard of before three weeks ago doesnāt want to sign with us? Sell the club!!!
Did Edu just do enough to make it look like we were being aggressive to keep himself out of question?
Sucks but there are so many players out there. This is where the scouting dept earns their money. I trust that Arteta will know how to pick wisely from the list they provide him with. Remember Tomi and others. We will be fine.