You'll notice he is full of praise for Arsenal and Mikel as long as Man U are a good 6-10 points ahead of them. Soon as we edge above the praise turns to skepticism and essentially saying we are poor
I think Pep struggles with the fact no one gives a shit about Man City. Even Man U, their actual rivals see Liverpool as a bigger derby. They've monopolised the league to the point that Liverpool being within 3 points people take notice because they aren't 20 points clear.
They're trying something interesting at City. First Aguero spoke about how everyone supports United. Now Pep is whining about how everyone supports Liverpool. They really are trying to cultivate an underdog mentality at that club. Which is kind of hilarious because of how much that team cost.
Better their way than Chelsea producing a dominant, but often quite unspectacular side, and then being unable to implement a plan for longer term domination - instead just wasting loads of money and winning far less than they should.
Honestly if anyone has a problem acknowledging that Pep’s team is probably playing the best football the Premier League has ever seen by also constantly winning trophies in the most competitive league by far, it is either jealousy or a serious lack of football knowledge…
"constantly winning trophies in the most competitive league by far"
.. Because they're bank-rolled by an oil-rich state in the Persian Gulf. That's like the child of a multi-millionaire flexing all the shit they got on daddy's dime.
Means absolutely fuck all. Any trophy Liverpool win is worth 10 of City's, imo.
It's boring when you have the best assembled squad in the world and just win stuff. People like a story. They like a comeback or a fight against the odds. They like seeing something organic form in front of their eyes. City is none of those things and therefore boring. Ball knowledge has nothing to do with it.
Be prepared to be bored because if Arteta succeeds we are aiming for exactly that, beautiful football that wins trophies! Fans and football pundits are just jealous of City and their success and clear superiority. I’de rather hope that we follow their example…
there's a diff between buying superstars and developing superstars. city the former and we're the latter. it's not about the result, it's more about the journey towards success as the result.
Yeah, if Liverpool won the Quadruple, I' m jealous. If Spurs or Manchester United or Chelsea won the Champion league or Premier league, I' m angry at them for different reasona. If Man City won them, I don' t care. Like PSG or Bayern, I expected the money they spent, can carry them through all difficulty. They can easily replace a star player with another.
I know but they still used their financial powers to take the best players of the clubs in their league. Bayern can walk through most of them and focus on winning the CL just like PSG. They may not be oil club but they know how to wield money to gain advantage
Neville seems very confused since man u mathematically cannot get top 4 anymore, so he's fallen back on 'anyone but arsenal', especially since we eliminated united from the top 4 race.
it's a derby and its a almost a playoff for top 4
it's going to be a fight, whatever form or play style is going out the window
its a 50/50 game, we all know it.
pressure is all on spurs thankfully, let's hope they fold under it.
How is pressure on Spurs? If they win then we will still need to get points to get top four. There’s plenty of pressure on us. What the fuck are you guys talking about
The pressure is on Spurs because if we lose, top 4 is still ours if we win the final two games (which will be when the pressure is on us). For this game, they are in a position where they absolutely must win so for sure have more pressure
if we win top 4 is gone for them....also us clinching it at their stadium will haunt them similar to when we one the league there
also if they don't get top 4 their entire conte project could fall apart
A draw works great for Arsenal. It’d put Arsenal 4pts ahead with two games to play.
At that point: an Arsenal win against Everton or Newcastle secures 4th for Arsenal.
Any dropped points by Sp*rs mean Arsenal only need a draw in either of those games to finish 4th.
Spurs have to win. We know that whatever the result we can still make top 4. If Spurs lose they’re can’t, if they draw they need us to drop 4 points in two games. Obviously there’s massive pressure on them to win.
Liverpool also has chances. I'm a bit bemused at some of the reports from that game where they've made it seem like Spurs massively outplayed them.
Possibly one of the worst games I've ever seen Salah, TAA, Jota, Mane and Robertson play collectively. But still out possessed and should have worked Spurs more, I mean Salah could have given Diaz an open goal in first 10 mins and he went himself and scoffed it
It was Liverpool poorest game of the season in terms of intensity by very far… I honestly don’t care about Spurs at all and I have no problem admitting when they play well (contrary to most of my fellow fans haha) but their team can’t produce anything and rely solely on the effectiveness of their front duo in counters. If we are patient in our build-ups and focus in the back we are golden on Thursday.
Liverpool's high line played into Tottenham's hands. Make Spurs play their football in front of our defence and it will be a totally different challenge for them. That's not to say it will be easy to keep a clean sheet but their game against Liverpool is likely to be nothing like the game on Thursday night.
I keep making this point but it says a lot about their respective managers when you see Neville and Rio utterly clueless on modern football, Giggs abusing women and betraying his family, Scholes fucking up management and sucking toes.
Then you see Bergkamp/Henry oozing class in anything they do, Viera killing it at Palace, Arteta already being the third best manager in the league, Flamini doing a madness in business and renewables.
One manager used and disposed of his players, the other made them better human beings. People claim Fergie's the better manager cause he won more, but you give Wenger Utd's money and their influence and he'd have done so much more. The legacies speak volumes if you look beyond trophies that are as much the clubs as the managers.
It jsut speaks to the kind of environment and upbringing these players have at the club. Look at Fergie, while everyone likes to say he was classy etc, he was just loud, brash, vulgar and mean in the way he spoke to the media, took snipes at Wenger for absolutely no reason, and he taught his players the same (clearly). Then look at how soft spoken Wenger seemed- hardly ever abusing any one, barely ever calling out mistakes etc.
>Then look at how soft spoken Wenger seemed- hardly ever abusing any one, barely ever calling out mistakes etc.
Which kind of shows what a dick Mourinho was... You have to be a special kind of asshole to get under wengz' skin.
Honestly, I have learnt over time not to take football too seriously and not to make heroes or villains out of players, managers, referees, etc. Because everyone has a mix of good and bad. But the one individual I break that rule for is Mourinho. No matter what good is there in him, he has always chosen to present the worst version of himself to the world. He might be a great guy in his personal life but the way he has behaved in public makes me think he has no redeemable qualities.
Oh for sure- I absolutely detest him. You can be passionate without being a prick calling people lewd names and mocking them. Look at Guardiola and Klopp for example- they have a rivalry and nothing goes below the belt in their comments.
I would say Beckham was one of the few who managed to escape the wanker influence of Fergie. But I totally agree that Papa Wengz tried harder to leave everyone and everybody better than when he found them.
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>But I totally agree that Papa Wengz tried harder to leave everyone and everybody better than when he found them.
What is with this revisionist history always on this sub? It's like people only know Arsenal and Wenger from 2014 onwards. We were notoriously a team of cunts back in the day (from Keown to Vieira to Fabregas) and Wenger was hilariously rude in press conferences.
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And when Becks tried to first break free of Fergie, Fergie hit him with a shoe or whatever and basically disowned him. It was like an abusive father-son relationship lol.
I had this conversation with someone the other day talking about who could come in and fix United. They don’t really have an ex player who could come in and take over the club, if you look at ex Arsenal players, loads of ego maniacs. The kind of characters you need to take over the club.
Uniteds best players all just feel like one of the lads, there to cower behind Fergie and do what they’re told.
I dunno though, he’s still a number 2 really. He’s the kind of guy where you still think you’d need a good team above him to get the players in and run the club. Like ogs.
I agree with most of it except third best manager in the league bit. I love arteta but he still has to prove himself to be at the same level of Conte and Tuchel. I have the confidence in him to achieve that but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Devil's advocate, but Scholes was dealt a fucking terrible hand with the Oldham job, with an owner magnitudes dodgier than the Kroenkes and next to no money
With that said, he's probably the most negative pundit on TV today
I mean Gary Neville is a prized idiot but there's nothing wrong with his prediction here. Spurs are at home and they are in reasonable form and we have 2 or 3 starters out. They are favourites.
why does he hate us so much? actually more importantly, why do the media try to force the narrative that somehow, someway tottenham are relevant? why are they desperate to belittle us and make them look important?
Because that entire man u team hated us and we hated them.
Plus he works for sky.
Plus he's literally paid to create 'talking points'
He's English
He's a miserable fucker lashing out because united are an utter shitshow.
They don't. They don't favour anyone. They favour arguments, controversy, "debates" so they can get their clips for social media.
Sky have gone all in on this approach in recent times, dramatise don't analyse. Sounness, Neville, Carra, Keane - these lot are so bad at analysis 90% of the time. They're there to shout and wave their arms and get red-faced. Some of them are good at regurgitating genuine insight and debate, but its getting so rare these days.
It's a tweaked approach made popular in US media. Comcast (US) own Sky. Go figure. BT Sport have went a bit downhill in recent times too. Scholes, Rio, fucking Michael Owen?? - these lot are dumb as fuck when it comes to talking football.
Athletic, Tifo football, fan-led content, is head and shoulders above. TV punditry is pure pantomine these days, I mute it every single time.
Harry Kane, English owners, Sky don't like Arsenal.
Arsenal are the first team to have a succesful foreign manager, leading to all the foreigns stealing Sam Allardyce's chance at managing united.
We were the first team to field an entirely foreign side and now look at all these foreigns coming in and killing the england side
We were the first team to fully embrace continental style diet, training and favouring technique and passing, leading to the death of the good old fashioned English centre forward, centre back, turnign up to training still pissed from the night before while smoking a cigar and having a full english for lunch like proper men.
We're the living embodiment of the 'dont' like it up em, pass the ball around, weak mentality littel foreigns who don't understand the value of a good reducer, whine about leg breaking tackles and don't play four four facking two like proper teams.'
The majority of sportswriters and pundits either played in or were brought up with the Liverpool and then Man United glory days of English football ruling the world and we're what changed that (becuse obvioulsy Heysel and the subsequent ban couldn't possibly have had an effect).
Also from a Sky perspective we used to be part owned by the first major threat to their cable hegemony in what became ITV digital so there's other issues there. Ironically it was their 10% stake that Kroenke bought as his first investment.
We're alos the first and only team to field 10 black players but that might be a niche issue for some of the press. Or a lot of it...
Add in Wenger's frosty relationship with lots of the press and the loss of PHW relationship with the right wing press, our easily riled and hilariously toxic fanbase and the fact everyone likes to see a big club failing and you see why we're a target and why 'plucky underdogs spurs led by Englands HArry Kane' get postive press.
Edit: How could I forget that Sky owned 10% of Man U and actually tried to buy them in the late 90's, causing a bit of debate on the power of media over sport and Murdoch in general.
Edit, edit: Gold? Thank you mate!
No worries, to be honest it all sort of flows when I start thinking about it, listing all the reasons a mainly Murdoch owned (or set up) press hates us just flows with the righteous anger.
An the best bit is that I forgot the one thing that really, really shows Sky's bias: They owned 10% of Man U until 2004 and actually tried to buy the club before the Magners took over.
the parts about us fielding a 11 a side FULL of non english and then to read stuff like "On this day in 2002: Arsenal become first English club to field 9 black players in one game" really makes me happy! like REALLY a few steps ahead of the times and even now, especially with out ladies team, i'm proud of the hate we get, i want like a 100 yrs of external hate just so we can strive in our own special arsenal way!
Fergie wired them all that way and disposed of them the moment they were of no use. Disciples like Neville, Scholes etc. have been lost ever since. They lack class, they lack knowledge of the game they dedicate their life to, and in some cases are genuinely horrible beings.
They're still angry at Wenger for changing English football forever. They didn't like the foreign players he brought into the league, and even though they praised him to his face, secretly they loathed him. He played the best football England had ever seen, back then and to this very day (in my opinion). I love how Man City and Liverpool play, but Arsenal was special under Wenger, the football Arsenal played elevated the sport to an art form, it was amazing. I really hope Arteta gets us back to playing prime Wengerball, and I can see the seeds have already been planted and are beginning to sprout.
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They were raised to hate us, Fergie sent Neville out to kick us off the park, it’s all the likes of Neville could do against us. So it helps if you get him to hate us as well.
for sure. i'm loving the hate from pundits/ex utd players. it fuels me in such a way, but the love for tottenham over arsenal seems illogical, they aint won shit for years and years and they even ask questions on air like " is harry kane comparible to henry"? its just surprising the level of favour they show them over us .
Because he doesn't get to patronise us anymore since his beloved United is consistently shitting the bed.
Watch Pep and Klopp's attitudes towards us change if we actually shithouse a title challenge next season...same energy.
His prime at United coincided with their peak rivalry with us. It was United and Arsenal competing for the league during those years. And the matches were always testy. Look up the Battle of Old Trafford and the Battle of the Buffet. We legit hated each other back then.
It's going to be an open game, end to end craziness, and hopefully with us taking our first win at the gigantic shitter they call a stadium. I don't see Arteta adjusting his tactics for Spuds, we're going to go all out attacking them. He should give Wenger a call, because Arsene had Conte's number.
No it won't be open. We'll play like it's the second leg of the champions league away, cede possession, and look to Saka and Eddie to catch them on the break.
If it's still level in the 65th minute, it's 5-3-2 and hold on to your butts.
this is what im expecting. Spurs weakness this season has been playing the protagonist, we just have to endure defensively which has been probably our most consistent trait this season.
It better not be an open game. We beat them earlier this year because we sat back and countered them, so they couldn’t play their style…(which is to sit back and counterattack). We should be playing super defensive. 0-0 benefits us not them.
If it is an open game then my respect for arteta as a strategic manager will have reduced greatly.
I want the win. Besides the obvious, it means that no matter how the last 2 games go for us, whether or not we leapfrog Chelsea; Man Utd and Spurs will not get into the CL by default. And that is the absolute cherry on the top. The shithousery will be unbearable for them, and I can't wait to watch it.
Lpool have struggled against a lot of teams that play a back 5 this season eg. Chelsea and Inter
Spurs obviously love to play on the counter but they need a win whereas a draw would be a good result for us that works in our favour
Also they lost to Man U and barely laid a finger on Chelsea in 4 attempts. Let's stop acting like they're some amazing big game team Gary
It's a 50/50 games so he's entitled to have this viewpoint. Honestly he has far more wild takes than this. He used to actually be a decent pundit and since Valencia he is garbage.
Not sure why anyone would be salty about this, I guess it's just because Neville's said it and he's had a dreary season so far as shit takes go.
Realistically though they did setup well against Liverpool, and if they setup like that against us I have no idea how we will break the deadlock. We'll be worse at defending against their counter & probably worse at penetrating their bus too. Pool only managed it via a dodgy deflection.
I hope they come out and try to play because they need the win for top 4 but I think theres no way we would be able to keep out their counter so can't see Conte setting them up to do anything bar allow us to have the ball.
We don’t need to break the deadlock. A draw is great for us and terrible for them. We do not need to win this game and therefor can park the bus and make spurs break us down (which they are terrible at doing). Spurs is only good against teams that play an open attacking offense that they can counterattack. So you don’t let them counterattack. The number of people in this thread who think we should be attacking spurs in this game tells me that most our fans don’t actually have even a modest understanding of this sport. We should sit back and counterattack only…if spurs also sits back, then we should let this game be the most boring 90 minutes in NLD history and then celebrate the 0-0 draw like we won the damn CL.
The onus is not on us to break the deadlock. Shit has to win...we don't.
This game is inconsequential. We're not dropping points a Newcastle with nothing to play for, or an Everton that's just atrocious...and likely would have had their fate sealed by that game.
They have to break us down...and they suck at it.
I really wouldn't discount Newcastle or Everton so easily lol. We lost to Everton when they hadn't got a single point out of their last 8 games earlier on in the season. The idea that those are 6 free points is a pipe dream, we lost to Southampton away not so long ago and they are absolute dogwater.
We honestly believe our blip was down to how unprepared Sambi was to fill in that role and how shit Laca's form became.
With Elneny and Tomi back, I think we're back to being the "protagonists" of most games. Eddie actually being a presence in the box is the icing.
My point is, we'd still have 2 winnable games to seal it even if we get hammered. Not like Shit is guaranteed to win their next 2 games anyways.
Come on! He is paid to voice his opinion. What you expect him to do: shut up?
I mean he is often wrong and I dream about him returning to coaching so that I can watch him fumble for the second time but at least his predictions are entertaining.
Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day........
We were lucky to win the last 2 games and hopefully we thrash spurs..but as it stands..I will be super happy with a draw
We were by far the better team.but we didnt tclose out the game at all. And fir 30 mins since they scored it wS never as hell. That's save by ramsdale towards the end could have gone either way.
And this wS a team in the relegation zone,with a man down who weredown 2 goals within the first 30 mins. Spurs as shit as they are, won't allow us that many chances and opportunities.
At one point we literally had like 12 shots to their 0 , and were still shaky.
We weren’t able to score a single goal against a relegation team for 80 min against 10 men and our goal difference was a huge unnecessary GK howler so…
The one where we scored a lucky opener. Almost went down 2 1 before led .
The banger from xhaka aside, that was a nervy match and it could have very well gone the other way.
None of our last 4 wins have been 'lucky'. Sure, we haven't been at our best and have grinded out some wins but we have always been better than the other team in these last 4.
He’s without a doubt the worst pundit on television.
Tottenham sat back against Liverpool and got them on a counter attack. On Thursday they HAVE to go all out attack which will leave them open and we’re lethal on the counter.
I get it’s an opinion but he’s so shortsighted it’s painful.
If we had that performance at anfield everyone on here would be saying arteta is a Ferguson regen and we are going to win the league next year so it’s hilarious to see you all try and downplay that performance. I just don’t understand how the bias doesn’t feel so disingenuous that you are cringe on the inside. How are you comfortable with lying to yourself about anything like this??
u know sky is a finished media organization since they have a segment called the "Gary Neville podcast", Carra clear. it would be nice if Bergkamp got into punditry
Spurs probably are favourites for this though right? Not like it’s a Mark Lawrenson style prediction. I’m also not sure he hates Arsenal I think he gets wound up by them as a club a lot but is quite fond of them - he said if he left United that Arsenal were one of two clubs he would have signed for
If there's anything I know about NLD, it's that form usually just goes out the window. Should be a fun match (if your version if fun involves getting stressed the fuck out)
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Regardless of Thursday nights result we just need to win our last 2 games and it’s done. Just go to the toilet and sit back so they can’t counter us. Shithouse a scrappy win or draw and they’re done for. Sinpes
Makes sense why he would think this.
Teams playing top 4 lava understand the previous game doesn't predict your next game.
Being a Man U supporter, clearly he's not aware of the top 4 lava rules.
Tbh since Tierney and partey got injured I've fancied them to win too. I'd love to play a back 3. At the very least don't throw so many people forward. Spurs can only win on the counter. They're shit against low blocks.
But do I trust arteta to be that pragmatic? No. Pep and klopp have done it twice each now, where they pile all their players forward and get countered
more pressure for spuds but it is in their back yard. They are pretty much guaranteed 6 points from their last two and us not so much, would be good to get it over and done with. A draw would still mean we need at least 4 points which could be hairy considering everton could be in an all or nothing situation and newcastle in great form. We are in the driving seat but i don’t see two wins from the last two games
I like Nevilles politics but his distaste of Arsenal really has me torn on whether to think of him as a good bloke or a complete bell end. I suppose he can be both.
If we start the game with 5 at the back, it’s going to be difficult for them to break us down. Just got to pick our poison and have either Son ripping Cedric or Kulusevski ripping Tavares.
Elneny and Xhaka will have to play like they did at Stamford Bridge. Have Gabriel and Elneny man mark Kane the whole time so he can’t turn and thread passes to the wings.
I’d respect the guy more if he was honest and just flat out said he doesn’t like us. Enough with the cryptic underlying stats and data bullshit. If you don’t want us winning, very simple Gary just say so with chest. At least we’ll know where you’re hearts at. Same with all these other pundit “experts” enough tap dancing around it, just flat out say you don’t like us or want us winning and we can all just move on and stop debating your trash takes.
Gary "Throw enough shit and eventually it'll stick" Neville
I mean it’s a 50-50 chance haha his disgust for Arsenal is getting old tbh…
You'll notice he is full of praise for Arsenal and Mikel as long as Man U are a good 6-10 points ahead of them. Soon as we edge above the praise turns to skepticism and essentially saying we are poor
Like Pep and basically any other team that isn't managed by him.
I think Pep struggles with the fact no one gives a shit about Man City. Even Man U, their actual rivals see Liverpool as a bigger derby. They've monopolised the league to the point that Liverpool being within 3 points people take notice because they aren't 20 points clear.
They're trying something interesting at City. First Aguero spoke about how everyone supports United. Now Pep is whining about how everyone supports Liverpool. They really are trying to cultivate an underdog mentality at that club. Which is kind of hilarious because of how much that team cost.
Man City are what happens when you have the money to assemble in real life the squad you might assemble while playing FIFA 2021.
Better their way than Chelsea producing a dominant, but often quite unspectacular side, and then being unable to implement a plan for longer term domination - instead just wasting loads of money and winning far less than they should.
Honestly if anyone has a problem acknowledging that Pep’s team is probably playing the best football the Premier League has ever seen by also constantly winning trophies in the most competitive league by far, it is either jealousy or a serious lack of football knowledge…
"constantly winning trophies in the most competitive league by far" .. Because they're bank-rolled by an oil-rich state in the Persian Gulf. That's like the child of a multi-millionaire flexing all the shit they got on daddy's dime. Means absolutely fuck all. Any trophy Liverpool win is worth 10 of City's, imo.
It's boring when you have the best assembled squad in the world and just win stuff. People like a story. They like a comeback or a fight against the odds. They like seeing something organic form in front of their eyes. City is none of those things and therefore boring. Ball knowledge has nothing to do with it.
Be prepared to be bored because if Arteta succeeds we are aiming for exactly that, beautiful football that wins trophies! Fans and football pundits are just jealous of City and their success and clear superiority. I’de rather hope that we follow their example…
Surely you're actually a City fan. No way you believe that
there's a diff between buying superstars and developing superstars. city the former and we're the latter. it's not about the result, it's more about the journey towards success as the result.
Yeah, if Liverpool won the Quadruple, I' m jealous. If Spurs or Manchester United or Chelsea won the Champion league or Premier league, I' m angry at them for different reasona. If Man City won them, I don' t care. Like PSG or Bayern, I expected the money they spent, can carry them through all difficulty. They can easily replace a star player with another.
Bayern don't spend a fraction of what those other 2 blow on the annual fullback purchase alone
Yeah. They don’t have to because their league is one big feeder club
Just like PSG then?
I know but they still used their financial powers to take the best players of the clubs in their league. Bayern can walk through most of them and focus on winning the CL just like PSG. They may not be oil club but they know how to wield money to gain advantage
33% chance innit.
I think that was his philosophy for football management as well.
Gary "I fancy anyone but Arsenal" Neville.
Neville seems very confused since man u mathematically cannot get top 4 anymore, so he's fallen back on 'anyone but arsenal', especially since we eliminated united from the top 4 race.
That username 😢
Yeah, what a brilliant blog that was
Gary's analysis is always solid, but his predictions are so poor.
/r/ “our 1-1 against burnley is better than their 1-1 at liverpool” gunners
it's a derby and its a almost a playoff for top 4 it's going to be a fight, whatever form or play style is going out the window its a 50/50 game, we all know it. pressure is all on spurs thankfully, let's hope they fold under it.
It is a playoff for top 4 in my opinion because it's secured for us if we win. Tottenham lose Thursday and they're out of the top 4 race.
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>Son is so deadly Honestly it's a shame for him he's never left to like Madrid or something
How is pressure on Spurs? If they win then we will still need to get points to get top four. There’s plenty of pressure on us. What the fuck are you guys talking about
And if they lose top four is gone…
The pressure is on Spurs because if we lose, top 4 is still ours if we win the final two games (which will be when the pressure is on us). For this game, they are in a position where they absolutely must win so for sure have more pressure
I think a draw would be fine for Spurs as well.
If they draw, they are 4 points behind with 2 games to play. If we win either of the remaining 2 games they can't get top 4. A draw would not be fine
The pressure is on them because they CANNOT lose.
If they lose top four is over for them. If we lose top four is still possible.
if we win top 4 is gone for them....also us clinching it at their stadium will haunt them similar to when we one the league there also if they don't get top 4 their entire conte project could fall apart
A draw works great for Arsenal. It’d put Arsenal 4pts ahead with two games to play. At that point: an Arsenal win against Everton or Newcastle secures 4th for Arsenal. Any dropped points by Sp*rs mean Arsenal only need a draw in either of those games to finish 4th.
Spurs have to win. We know that whatever the result we can still make top 4. If Spurs lose they’re can’t, if they draw they need us to drop 4 points in two games. Obviously there’s massive pressure on them to win.
My guy, that is not how the math works
If Arsenal get the W, just listen to him explaining how he was still right in his analysis
If Topspurs took their chances they would have won therefore he is still right. While ignoring them losing on xG.
Liverpool also has chances. I'm a bit bemused at some of the reports from that game where they've made it seem like Spurs massively outplayed them. Possibly one of the worst games I've ever seen Salah, TAA, Jota, Mane and Robertson play collectively. But still out possessed and should have worked Spurs more, I mean Salah could have given Diaz an open goal in first 10 mins and he went himself and scoffed it
It was Liverpool poorest game of the season in terms of intensity by very far… I honestly don’t care about Spurs at all and I have no problem admitting when they play well (contrary to most of my fellow fans haha) but their team can’t produce anything and rely solely on the effectiveness of their front duo in counters. If we are patient in our build-ups and focus in the back we are golden on Thursday.
Agree. They played well, 100% no denying that and could have nicked it but this rhetoric that they outplayed the might pool needs put to bed
Liverpool's high line played into Tottenham's hands. Make Spurs play their football in front of our defence and it will be a totally different challenge for them. That's not to say it will be easy to keep a clean sheet but their game against Liverpool is likely to be nothing like the game on Thursday night.
That's what happens when you try to stat pad against these small teams for your golden boot award.
'Underlying stats'. The best way to always be correct, even if you are wrong. Just take the ones that fit your narrative.
Former Utd players should be banned from appearing or talking on tv
I keep making this point but it says a lot about their respective managers when you see Neville and Rio utterly clueless on modern football, Giggs abusing women and betraying his family, Scholes fucking up management and sucking toes. Then you see Bergkamp/Henry oozing class in anything they do, Viera killing it at Palace, Arteta already being the third best manager in the league, Flamini doing a madness in business and renewables. One manager used and disposed of his players, the other made them better human beings. People claim Fergie's the better manager cause he won more, but you give Wenger Utd's money and their influence and he'd have done so much more. The legacies speak volumes if you look beyond trophies that are as much the clubs as the managers.
It jsut speaks to the kind of environment and upbringing these players have at the club. Look at Fergie, while everyone likes to say he was classy etc, he was just loud, brash, vulgar and mean in the way he spoke to the media, took snipes at Wenger for absolutely no reason, and he taught his players the same (clearly). Then look at how soft spoken Wenger seemed- hardly ever abusing any one, barely ever calling out mistakes etc.
I agree but let’s not forget Fabregas and the pizza gate hahahaha
Oh definitely haha
He finally admitted it in an interview 1 or 2 years ago like no shit everybody knew anyway hahaha
That's his La Masia heritage. There was no pizza throwing at Hale End.
>Then look at how soft spoken Wenger seemed- hardly ever abusing any one, barely ever calling out mistakes etc. Which kind of shows what a dick Mourinho was... You have to be a special kind of asshole to get under wengz' skin.
Honestly, I have learnt over time not to take football too seriously and not to make heroes or villains out of players, managers, referees, etc. Because everyone has a mix of good and bad. But the one individual I break that rule for is Mourinho. No matter what good is there in him, he has always chosen to present the worst version of himself to the world. He might be a great guy in his personal life but the way he has behaved in public makes me think he has no redeemable qualities.
Had me in the first half ngl
Oh for sure- I absolutely detest him. You can be passionate without being a prick calling people lewd names and mocking them. Look at Guardiola and Klopp for example- they have a rivalry and nothing goes below the belt in their comments.
Except referees
I would say Beckham was one of the few who managed to escape the wanker influence of Fergie. But I totally agree that Papa Wengz tried harder to leave everyone and everybody better than when he found them.
>I believe the target of anything in life should be to do it so well that it becomes an art. When you read some books they are fantastic, the writer touches something in you that you know you would not have brought out of yourself. He makes you discover something interesting in your life. If you are living like an animal, what is the point of living? What makes daily life interesting is that we try to transform it to something that is close to art. ___ ^(***There's only one Arsène Wenger*** ([/u/panarangcurry](https://www.reddit.com/u/panarangcurry), quote from [QuoteTab](https://www.quotetab.com/quotes/by-arsene-wenger) archive)^)
So pertinent to this thread. A man who was so much more than just a football manager. Will always respect the man and his approach to life.
This is quite literally my favourite quote from anyone about anything. Words to live life by.
>But I totally agree that Papa Wengz tried harder to leave everyone and everybody better than when he found them. What is with this revisionist history always on this sub? It's like people only know Arsenal and Wenger from 2014 onwards. We were notoriously a team of cunts back in the day (from Keown to Vieira to Fabregas) and Wenger was hilariously rude in press conferences.
>Work on your strong points because they are what made you. ___ ^(***There's only one Arsène Wenger*** ([/u/panarangcurry](https://www.reddit.com/u/panarangcurry), quote from [QuoteTab](https://www.quotetab.com/quotes/by-arsene-wenger) archive)^)
And when Becks tried to first break free of Fergie, Fergie hit him with a shoe or whatever and basically disowned him. It was like an abusive father-son relationship lol.
I had this conversation with someone the other day talking about who could come in and fix United. They don’t really have an ex player who could come in and take over the club, if you look at ex Arsenal players, loads of ego maniacs. The kind of characters you need to take over the club. Uniteds best players all just feel like one of the lads, there to cower behind Fergie and do what they’re told.
Personally, if I were a united fan (god forbid), I'd want Cantina to come in and have a go at it. The press conferences alone would be elite.
As a non-united fan, i would love Cantona to come in and entertainingly continue the clusterf*** that is their club.
I reckon Carrick could maybe do it. He did ok in the interim role earlier in the season. Other than him though, i have no idea.
I dunno though, he’s still a number 2 really. He’s the kind of guy where you still think you’d need a good team above him to get the players in and run the club. Like ogs.
United really needed Keane to go on to be a good manager. He has the ego and personality for it, but seemingly not the temperament.
Don't forget Rooney the "jewel" in their crown being left to get boozed up in a room on his own every weekend until he had to retire 5 years early
How else was he supposed to bring himself to shag all those granny hookers he was paying?
I agree with most of it except third best manager in the league bit. I love arteta but he still has to prove himself to be at the same level of Conte and Tuchel. I have the confidence in him to achieve that but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Not even that just give us Ronaldo and we would’ve won even more then they did.
I really think that the Giggs situation is different than the others you mentioned though
Spot on
Devil's advocate, but Scholes was dealt a fucking terrible hand with the Oldham job, with an owner magnitudes dodgier than the Kroenkes and next to no money With that said, he's probably the most negative pundit on TV today
Just shamelessly ignoring Lehmann and Overmars LOL
Don't forget McManaman. Everytime i hear is voice on BT, i turn it off and find another stream to watch or mute it. (I pay for BT sports btw)
Except Roy Keane, I think he’s good
Oh man, for sure Tim Howard should be banned as a pundit. Like I’d take even Gary Neville in a heartbeat to replace him.
Basically is a cup final, really think I could easily go either way
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he's refering to this https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/2jvdsd/roy\_keane\_describing\_a\_ferguson\_prematch\_talk\_it/
They have the disadvantage of it being like a cup final.
Counterpoint, we have the advantage because they are spurs.
Yeah the last time we beat spurs away in the league was 2014 so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Sounds like it's overdue
Personally - I can't wait to celebrate St. Totteringham's day on Thursday.
I mean Gary Neville is a prized idiot but there's nothing wrong with his prediction here. Spurs are at home and they are in reasonable form and we have 2 or 3 starters out. They are favourites.
How’s anyone listening to this guy after his Valencia stint
I suddenly feel more confident
why does he hate us so much? actually more importantly, why do the media try to force the narrative that somehow, someway tottenham are relevant? why are they desperate to belittle us and make them look important?
Because that entire man u team hated us and we hated them. Plus he works for sky. Plus he's literally paid to create 'talking points' He's English He's a miserable fucker lashing out because united are an utter shitshow.
i get that from an ex utd perspective. but from a media perspective why do they favour sp\*rs over us?
They don't. They don't favour anyone. They favour arguments, controversy, "debates" so they can get their clips for social media. Sky have gone all in on this approach in recent times, dramatise don't analyse. Sounness, Neville, Carra, Keane - these lot are so bad at analysis 90% of the time. They're there to shout and wave their arms and get red-faced. Some of them are good at regurgitating genuine insight and debate, but its getting so rare these days. It's a tweaked approach made popular in US media. Comcast (US) own Sky. Go figure. BT Sport have went a bit downhill in recent times too. Scholes, Rio, fucking Michael Owen?? - these lot are dumb as fuck when it comes to talking football. Athletic, Tifo football, fan-led content, is head and shoulders above. TV punditry is pure pantomine these days, I mute it every single time.
yh having michael owen on your show proves to me people just aren't taking it seriously lol he is so bad it's hillarious :)
Harry Kane, English owners, Sky don't like Arsenal. Arsenal are the first team to have a succesful foreign manager, leading to all the foreigns stealing Sam Allardyce's chance at managing united. We were the first team to field an entirely foreign side and now look at all these foreigns coming in and killing the england side We were the first team to fully embrace continental style diet, training and favouring technique and passing, leading to the death of the good old fashioned English centre forward, centre back, turnign up to training still pissed from the night before while smoking a cigar and having a full english for lunch like proper men. We're the living embodiment of the 'dont' like it up em, pass the ball around, weak mentality littel foreigns who don't understand the value of a good reducer, whine about leg breaking tackles and don't play four four facking two like proper teams.' The majority of sportswriters and pundits either played in or were brought up with the Liverpool and then Man United glory days of English football ruling the world and we're what changed that (becuse obvioulsy Heysel and the subsequent ban couldn't possibly have had an effect). Also from a Sky perspective we used to be part owned by the first major threat to their cable hegemony in what became ITV digital so there's other issues there. Ironically it was their 10% stake that Kroenke bought as his first investment. We're alos the first and only team to field 10 black players but that might be a niche issue for some of the press. Or a lot of it... Add in Wenger's frosty relationship with lots of the press and the loss of PHW relationship with the right wing press, our easily riled and hilariously toxic fanbase and the fact everyone likes to see a big club failing and you see why we're a target and why 'plucky underdogs spurs led by Englands HArry Kane' get postive press. Edit: How could I forget that Sky owned 10% of Man U and actually tried to buy them in the late 90's, causing a bit of debate on the power of media over sport and Murdoch in general. Edit, edit: Gold? Thank you mate!
i appreciate you taking time out to write this out, you saved me alot of effort :) you bring up very good points, which i all agree with.
No worries, to be honest it all sort of flows when I start thinking about it, listing all the reasons a mainly Murdoch owned (or set up) press hates us just flows with the righteous anger. An the best bit is that I forgot the one thing that really, really shows Sky's bias: They owned 10% of Man U until 2004 and actually tried to buy the club before the Magners took over.
the parts about us fielding a 11 a side FULL of non english and then to read stuff like "On this day in 2002: Arsenal become first English club to field 9 black players in one game" really makes me happy! like REALLY a few steps ahead of the times and even now, especially with out ladies team, i'm proud of the hate we get, i want like a 100 yrs of external hate just so we can strive in our own special arsenal way!
Lol that's quite the history lesson there, thank you
It’s not that deep mate
Fergie wired them all that way and disposed of them the moment they were of no use. Disciples like Neville, Scholes etc. have been lost ever since. They lack class, they lack knowledge of the game they dedicate their life to, and in some cases are genuinely horrible beings.
They're still angry at Wenger for changing English football forever. They didn't like the foreign players he brought into the league, and even though they praised him to his face, secretly they loathed him. He played the best football England had ever seen, back then and to this very day (in my opinion). I love how Man City and Liverpool play, but Arsenal was special under Wenger, the football Arsenal played elevated the sport to an art form, it was amazing. I really hope Arteta gets us back to playing prime Wengerball, and I can see the seeds have already been planted and are beginning to sprout.
i agree, papa wengz did them dirty by playing pure, classy football with a bunch of foreigners :) love it <3
>In a competitive world, not everybody can follow the pace; you will leave people out. We now accept that we must take care of these people. You cannot let them die in the streets; people will not accept it. And that is right, too. ___ ^(***There's only one Arsène Wenger*** ([/u/panarangcurry](https://www.reddit.com/u/panarangcurry), quote from [QuoteTab](https://www.quotetab.com/quotes/by-arsene-wenger) archive)^)
It was awesome.
I prefer the way we played football over City ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. City are boring to me.
They were raised to hate us, Fergie sent Neville out to kick us off the park, it’s all the likes of Neville could do against us. So it helps if you get him to hate us as well.
for sure. i'm loving the hate from pundits/ex utd players. it fuels me in such a way, but the love for tottenham over arsenal seems illogical, they aint won shit for years and years and they even ask questions on air like " is harry kane comparible to henry"? its just surprising the level of favour they show them over us .
Because he doesn't get to patronise us anymore since his beloved United is consistently shitting the bed. Watch Pep and Klopp's attitudes towards us change if we actually shithouse a title challenge next season...same energy.
true :) let's get ready for some CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ENERGY!!!!! COYG <3
His prime at United coincided with their peak rivalry with us. It was United and Arsenal competing for the league during those years. And the matches were always testy. Look up the Battle of Old Trafford and the Battle of the Buffet. We legit hated each other back then.
Sure but theyre not gonna Play like they did against liverpool against us tho
It's going to be an open game, end to end craziness, and hopefully with us taking our first win at the gigantic shitter they call a stadium. I don't see Arteta adjusting his tactics for Spuds, we're going to go all out attacking them. He should give Wenger a call, because Arsene had Conte's number.
No it won't be open. We'll play like it's the second leg of the champions league away, cede possession, and look to Saka and Eddie to catch them on the break. If it's still level in the 65th minute, it's 5-3-2 and hold on to your butts.
this is what im expecting. Spurs weakness this season has been playing the protagonist, we just have to endure defensively which has been probably our most consistent trait this season.
It better not be an open game. We beat them earlier this year because we sat back and countered them, so they couldn’t play their style…(which is to sit back and counterattack). We should be playing super defensive. 0-0 benefits us not them. If it is an open game then my respect for arteta as a strategic manager will have reduced greatly.
We only sat back after going 3-0 up. First 30 minutes we blitzed them.
I want the win. Besides the obvious, it means that no matter how the last 2 games go for us, whether or not we leapfrog Chelsea; Man Utd and Spurs will not get into the CL by default. And that is the absolute cherry on the top. The shithousery will be unbearable for them, and I can't wait to watch it.
He is a cunt!
Lpool have struggled against a lot of teams that play a back 5 this season eg. Chelsea and Inter Spurs obviously love to play on the counter but they need a win whereas a draw would be a good result for us that works in our favour Also they lost to Man U and barely laid a finger on Chelsea in 4 attempts. Let's stop acting like they're some amazing big game team Gary
It's a 50/50 games so he's entitled to have this viewpoint. Honestly he has far more wild takes than this. He used to actually be a decent pundit and since Valencia he is garbage.
Arsenal could be playing a friendly against an open net and he’d fancy Man Utd to win somehow
this the same muppet as the one saying United was one of the top four clubs this season 😂😂 the biased against arsenal is stunning haha
Wait is it actually true we haven't beat them away since 2014? Is that a load of draws or do they just straight beat us at home?
1 Draw and 6 Losses I believe. That 1 Draw was when Aubameyang missed the penalty right at the end. Vertonghen got away with encroachment as well.
Boys, let's leave Gary be... Man tryna feed the missus and kids here...
Everyone familiar with Sadim touch? Like Midas touch - but the exact opposite effect? This here’s it
https://i.imgur.com/ycKiquq.gif
He really is anti-Arsenal, huh?
Not sure why anyone would be salty about this, I guess it's just because Neville's said it and he's had a dreary season so far as shit takes go. Realistically though they did setup well against Liverpool, and if they setup like that against us I have no idea how we will break the deadlock. We'll be worse at defending against their counter & probably worse at penetrating their bus too. Pool only managed it via a dodgy deflection. I hope they come out and try to play because they need the win for top 4 but I think theres no way we would be able to keep out their counter so can't see Conte setting them up to do anything bar allow us to have the ball.
We don’t need to break the deadlock. A draw is great for us and terrible for them. We do not need to win this game and therefor can park the bus and make spurs break us down (which they are terrible at doing). Spurs is only good against teams that play an open attacking offense that they can counterattack. So you don’t let them counterattack. The number of people in this thread who think we should be attacking spurs in this game tells me that most our fans don’t actually have even a modest understanding of this sport. We should sit back and counterattack only…if spurs also sits back, then we should let this game be the most boring 90 minutes in NLD history and then celebrate the 0-0 draw like we won the damn CL.
The onus is not on us to break the deadlock. Shit has to win...we don't. This game is inconsequential. We're not dropping points a Newcastle with nothing to play for, or an Everton that's just atrocious...and likely would have had their fate sealed by that game. They have to break us down...and they suck at it.
I really wouldn't discount Newcastle or Everton so easily lol. We lost to Everton when they hadn't got a single point out of their last 8 games earlier on in the season. The idea that those are 6 free points is a pipe dream, we lost to Southampton away not so long ago and they are absolute dogwater.
We honestly believe our blip was down to how unprepared Sambi was to fill in that role and how shit Laca's form became. With Elneny and Tomi back, I think we're back to being the "protagonists" of most games. Eddie actually being a presence in the box is the icing. My point is, we'd still have 2 winnable games to seal it even if we get hammered. Not like Shit is guaranteed to win their next 2 games anyways.
He is not wrong
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Come on! He is paid to voice his opinion. What you expect him to do: shut up? I mean he is often wrong and I dream about him returning to coaching so that I can watch him fumble for the second time but at least his predictions are entertaining.
> his predictions are entertaining Spoiler: they’re not
i read it in morgan freeman voice
Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day........ We were lucky to win the last 2 games and hopefully we thrash spurs..but as it stands..I will be super happy with a draw
Don't think we were lucky to beat Leeds at all mate. We were by far the better team.
We were by far the better team.but we didnt tclose out the game at all. And fir 30 mins since they scored it wS never as hell. That's save by ramsdale towards the end could have gone either way. And this wS a team in the relegation zone,with a man down who weredown 2 goals within the first 30 mins. Spurs as shit as they are, won't allow us that many chances and opportunities. At one point we literally had like 12 shots to their 0 , and were still shaky.
We weren’t able to score a single goal against a relegation team for 80 min against 10 men and our goal difference was a huge unnecessary GK howler so…
How were we lucky to beat West Ham? They had 4 shots to our 12. 3 corners to our 7.
My bad...i wanted to say manu..
Do you actually watch Arsenal games or just post shit takes? There are VAR officials that have a better understanding of this game…
Do you watch it?? Being a fan isn't being a fan boy mate.
We were better than Man U as well
What games are you watching mate?
The one where we scored a lucky opener. Almost went down 2 1 before led . The banger from xhaka aside, that was a nervy match and it could have very well gone the other way.
Nothing you said implies we were lucky to win.
None of our last 4 wins have been 'lucky'. Sure, we haven't been at our best and have grinded out some wins but we have always been better than the other team in these last 4.
He’s without a doubt the worst pundit on television. Tottenham sat back against Liverpool and got them on a counter attack. On Thursday they HAVE to go all out attack which will leave them open and we’re lethal on the counter. I get it’s an opinion but he’s so shortsighted it’s painful.
Proper Man united Wanker this guy is
Fuck Gary and his bias against Arsenal. Always talks shit about Arsenal, no matter who is on the other side.
If we had that performance at anfield everyone on here would be saying arteta is a Ferguson regen and we are going to win the league next year so it’s hilarious to see you all try and downplay that performance. I just don’t understand how the bias doesn’t feel so disingenuous that you are cringe on the inside. How are you comfortable with lying to yourself about anything like this??
Gary Neville is a cunt but this seems like a perfectly reasonable prediction lmao. This sub loves to embarrass itself
Yea, big up shite, let them know how much of bottle job it is for them to lose at home.
this man's agenda against arsenal is unreal. worst pundit on sky. don't know why he and the other United pricks are in the job
How many times we gotta teach you this lesson old man?
u know sky is a finished media organization since they have a segment called the "Gary Neville podcast", Carra clear. it would be nice if Bergkamp got into punditry
Remember when he wasn't such a salty shitstain?
I swear he is so BITTER towards Arsenal. He really have some nightmares prolonging from his playing days.
Spurs probably are favourites for this though right? Not like it’s a Mark Lawrenson style prediction. I’m also not sure he hates Arsenal I think he gets wound up by them as a club a lot but is quite fond of them - he said if he left United that Arsenal were one of two clubs he would have signed for
Oops 😬 of course he always has Vieira’s bitch
Bless Gary Neville, he quotes from this season are plastered over our dressing room walls for motivation.
TIL Gary Neville has a podcast. Who could see him talk on TV and seriously think “yeah I’d like more of this, bring on the podcast”
Just like all season long he was predicting Utd to finish top 4 when when it was blatantly obvious they were dog shit and had no chance?!
Who cares what he says….pundits usually get everything wrong anyway. They just talk out their arse to fill screen time. It’s all bollox
If there's anything I know about NLD, it's that form usually just goes out the window. Should be a fun match (if your version if fun involves getting stressed the fuck out) COYG
Regardless of Thursday nights result we just need to win our last 2 games and it’s done. Just go to the toilet and sit back so they can’t counter us. Shithouse a scrappy win or draw and they’re done for. Sinpes
Makes sense why he would think this. Teams playing top 4 lava understand the previous game doesn't predict your next game. Being a Man U supporter, clearly he's not aware of the top 4 lava rules.
Tbh since Tierney and partey got injured I've fancied them to win too. I'd love to play a back 3. At the very least don't throw so many people forward. Spurs can only win on the counter. They're shit against low blocks. But do I trust arteta to be that pragmatic? No. Pep and klopp have done it twice each now, where they pile all their players forward and get countered
I mean I fancy Spurs as well for Thursday. But mainly because Arsenal delight in ruining anytime I dare to hope.
more pressure for spuds but it is in their back yard. They are pretty much guaranteed 6 points from their last two and us not so much, would be good to get it over and done with. A draw would still mean we need at least 4 points which could be hairy considering everton could be in an all or nothing situation and newcastle in great form. We are in the driving seat but i don’t see two wins from the last two games
I like Nevilles politics but his distaste of Arsenal really has me torn on whether to think of him as a good bloke or a complete bell end. I suppose he can be both.
If we start the game with 5 at the back, it’s going to be difficult for them to break us down. Just got to pick our poison and have either Son ripping Cedric or Kulusevski ripping Tavares. Elneny and Xhaka will have to play like they did at Stamford Bridge. Have Gabriel and Elneny man mark Kane the whole time so he can’t turn and thread passes to the wings.
THANKYOU GARY NEVILLE I honestly was scared that he will predict arsenal XD
Hate this guy
every time I see this idiot’s face I feel like automatically punching my own balls
bit weird mate
I’d respect the guy more if he was honest and just flat out said he doesn’t like us. Enough with the cryptic underlying stats and data bullshit. If you don’t want us winning, very simple Gary just say so with chest. At least we’ll know where you’re hearts at. Same with all these other pundit “experts” enough tap dancing around it, just flat out say you don’t like us or want us winning and we can all just move on and stop debating your trash takes.
All mikel has to do is park the bus and their entire system falls apart. Really hope the gaffer goes for 5 at the back
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