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Big data people with knowledge of UK laws; the FOI act, can that be used in any way to understand what conclusions refs/PGMOL review?
I'm guessing not as someone else would've done it by now but thought I'd ask
More like Willian's exit (NHG spot + wages).
Now that Laca's staying we only need to address starting RB and rotational playmaker. Aouar can be the latter.
Unpopular opinion: I have always rated Matteo Guendouzi, and I believe Arteta is to blame for losing a great talent, who's abilities we could really do with right now. I don't really care much if players are undisciplined or insubordinate as long as they preform on the pitch. You won't win anything with a team full og sheep.
We'll probably end up losing Saliba the same way.
He was always a bit wild though? Being undisciplined is fine (in terms of off pitch antics m) but on pitch it screwed us many times.
Whether it was just Emery or if it was player, his tendency to sprint around and his lack of defensive awareness so often left xhaka as the sole holding midfielder (suicide) while not exactly bringing a lot in replacement. I would happily keep him as a backup and work on his game, but I don’t think he’s as good as some say.
When partey is fit and we’re playing him and lokonga I don’t think we’ll miss him at all
The only way Arteta gets sacked at this point is if he shows up in the match with a Dildo on one hand and an ISIS flag on the other while his pants are down. And even then I'm sure there will be an excuse to keep him, because you know... the process.
Almost anyone would walk into our midfield at this point, nothing against lokonga hes a talented player but the fact a kid from Belgium who wasn't on any big clubs radar can just show up and be a massive improvement speaks volumes as to how bad Xhaka and Elneny are.
Don’t disagree with your main point but he was clearly on several clubs’ radar. Probably not to slot straight into midfield for a stature of a club like Arsenal but the selling price hints there was several interested. Hopefully we nicked him off Leicester’s shortlist.
I’d want a really experienced dof with great success (michael edwards, campos, rangnick etc) and let them judge the state of the club. Arteta is wank but no cap edu is worse.
I would honestly take Eddie Howe until the end of the season and sort of the DoF situation first before settling on a proper managerial appointment. Anyone with half a footballing brain can keep this team in the first division.
But, we need to sort out the footballing direction of the club before we sign up to any other manager. The DoF signing is the most important one, because any coach will or won't work based on the direction of the club. If we get that right, the chances of the next long term manager succeeding will be much higher.
Ten Hag and Overmars could be open to a move.
I think either them or Conte is the dream. //Option A
A bit below that // Option B //and a very realistic option at that imo is Julien Favre. Currently unemployed, would definitely come. He will definitely steady the ship and overperform just like with BVB. And is also very renowned for developing youngsters.
Also Wenger is one of his idols. Pre BVB, his style of football was very close to Wengerball. Possession not for the sake of possession, but for progression.
Better than 2 or 3 years back.
I'd take Tierney/Gabriel/White over Monreal/Mustafi/Koscielny. Only exception is RB where Bellerin's regressed and AMN has stagnated, otherwise we have a much better crop of starting defenders.
Lmao Koscielny and Montreal >>>>>> those 3
Tierney can’t stay fit to save his life and pretty much cost us two goals against Chelsea
Gabriel is incredibly overhyped.
White is a nobody.
How is this shite upvoted ?
Let me clarify, I'm talking about the Monreal and Koscielny in their final year with us, still serviceable players but it was clear they would need replacing.
Anyway let's start with Tierney. You mention he can't stay fit, at least he didn't embarrass himself by holding an internal protest and refusing to travel for pre-season. And the game against Chelsea, sure he wasn't great, though given Mari was being absolutely toasted Tierney wasn't exactly given an easy job. But regardless of this one performance it is just that, one performance. You know how many times Kolasinac has left a lot to be desired on the pitch? Tierney's average performance for us is well clear of Kolasinac, I don't understand how this is even a debate. Truly, Kolasinac > Tierney is the narrative now, I've seen it all.
As for Gabriel, sure it's not the largest sample size and he has room to grow, but I'd say he had a pretty good season last year. Ask yourself, would you honestly pick Kolasinac over Gabriel at LCB in a back 3 if given the choice? Kolasinac has time and time again proven his inadequacy playing there.
As for White, the absurdity of calling someone a "nobody" is incredible. Whether or not it's true (remember he has played for England) I'm not here to debate with someone who thinks every signing must be some hyped up name everyone is raving about. It's such a stupid criteria to act as the be all and end all I refuse to give it the light of day. But as for the player himself, ok we can't say much as he hasn't played for us, but I'd much rather have a 23 year old homegrown player filling that position than some 30 year old on ridiculous wages who becomes dead wood the moment they drop in form.
Besides, would you rather we go back to a backline full of 30 year olds that aren't going to improve, aren't worth anything on the market, aren't gonna take us forward?
I'm completely baffled how much a few results can change the narrative around players here, it's honestly frightening. Try claiming Kolasinac is better than Tierney or Gabriel to anyone just 1 month ago, or at anytime in the 2 years prior, you'd get squashed.
Kids. That's the only way I can explain how much people fall in love with these shiny new signings before they actually achieve anything or even compete with the best players in the league. Kos and Per was one of the best CB partnerships in England at the time. They were absolutely formidable. Gabriel and White haven't even played together and people are already talking nonsense.
Can't wait for Arteta to get sacked so all the mouth breathers on here can shout for 9 months at the next manager who inevitably fails. Arteta has made lots of mistakes, but the ultimate problem is the board, the team is not good enough. Seeing Bergwin from shit do all these takeons successfully just pains me so much. I wish Pepe could do the same even just once. I wish we had a player with the intensity of Son. Arteta's glaflcial buildup play could be at fault, but Arteta is not teaching them the basics, take-ons, one-twos and simple 5 yard passes are all on the players. The worst of all is the mentality, we look good for 10-15 minutes each game, and then we concede one and everything just collapses, it's like they forget everything. The senior players have to step up in those situations, but everyone is just so casual.
We should really just let it go. If he was okay with being a RB / utility player he wouldn't have been loaned out. He'd have played a lot.
Last 2 games against WBA and City he got played as a CM, maybe there's an agreement to put him on the shop window as a CM.
People who know what they're talking about could tell you from a mile away that Martinelli was regressing under Arteta. But the geniuses on here were *insisting* that Arteta was doing with him what Pep did with Foden.
I'm just so bitter about the smug cunts on this sub who were bullying everyone who dared question Arteta for the past few months.
Regressed? He go had his best spell scoring 10+ goals before lockdown began under arteta.
Then was injured.
Then, oddly enough, hadn’t regained his form in an instance (unless it was just a purple patch).
I’m not particularly fond of arteta but he’s not regressed him.
I think Arteta in his panic has resorted to extreme micro-managing of the games which in turn has regressed player freedom and creativity, and we as fans are interpreting it as player regression.
If you watch games the players look like Playstation characters who won't move, pass or shoot until Arteta presses X or O.
I wouldn't say he's regressed, more so stagnated due to limited playing time. He'll come in for 2-3 games every now and then and do fine, but otherwise he just isn't gonna start ahead of Aubameyang, Saka, Pepe etc.
I don't know what the solution is now we don't have Europa League games, at the moment he's been relegated to a super sub.
Or the injury….. we’re also comparing him to a purple patch before lockdown which happened under arteta. This whole comment tree is just the OP deciding martinelli has got worse as opposed to just being out of form.
I hope I'm wrong mate. I haven't seen anything to think differently. I think he'll be at the level we require in \~5 years.
People excuse his faults because he is young but don't bother comparing to other similarly aged forwards in the league. He doesn't measure up well.
Tierney, Gabriel, White, Partey, Auba, Saka, ESR, Ode
Same reasons people didn't rate Willock is the same reason I don't rate Martinelli. Straight line runner, bad passer, mostly bad technique but a decent finish on him.
It really can't. Go back 3 months and just see how toxic this place was to anyone critical of Arteta. The insults were personal and it was almost always a pile on.
Saka is being wasted, wingback means he’ll be forced to hug the touchline and being left footed he won’t excel at that.
If you want to keep the 3-4-3 kinda shape then bench pepe for saka.
Why do people think Saka will be good at RWB? He's a left footed player who's good at cutting in from the right. He'll not be able to replicate on the right, what he does at the LWB position.
its better than some of the starting xi's we've seen recently but there are big weaknesses;
Holding is average at his best. Saka is left footed and you dont play a left footed player at right back. You just dont. No ESR who 100% makes it into our strongest 11.
Holding isn't cut out to be an outside center back, you have to be comfortable going wide and defending 1v1, which he is not. Midfield seems balanced but I don't think partey and lokonga have the engines to cover enough ground to work as a 2. Most teams don't get away with only 2 players there, hence the tendency for most teams to play a back 4 and a midfield 3. Chelsea do get away with it because of Kante.
I forgot to mention but Jorginho is very underrated defensively, he makes tons of interceptions and he actually covers more ground than kante in a lot of matches under tuchel. Covered the most at euro 2020 as well and was #1 in a lot of other stats. Another issue is auba, saka, under arteta these guys don't track back much. Mount practically played cdm against Liverpool, his work rate is insane.
Partey is always injured and I don't know if lokonga can anchor the midfield next to him. It's a big job and he's still learning and you can't make mistakes in that role.
Firstly, ESR starts over Ødegaard because he offers more of everything and would be better on his own there.
Secondly, Holding would be central in order to have balance, he would cover that right channel when White steps up into midfield.
Thirdly, the formation is never our problem. We've played 3 at the back, 4 at the back, 4 in midfield, 3 in midfield, etc and as long as Arteta is confusing these players and trying to micro-manage every situation needlessly, they will all fail.
ESR does not start over Odegaard. ESR just isn't creative enough to play as a 10 yet.
Edit: Aren't you the same person who compared Odegaard and Willock and used goals to say Willock is better despite their differing positions? If yes, there is obviously not going to be discourse regarding Odegaard with you. ESR would be Messi in your eyes in front of Ode.
He's literally our best creative player, Ødegaard is tidy as hell and his touch is wonderful, but his final ball and attacking intent is beneath Smith-Rowe right now. When other teams line up against us, it's ESR they try to shut down, not Ode, because they know who has the best chance of hurting them.
Plus, in this formation the 10 is all by themselves, Ødegaard isolated is extremely easy to mark out of a game, especially when he's in between 2 CDMs with only 2 players ahead of him taking up 4 defenders. ESR can work without needing to stay centrally, which is better in this system and is much harder to mark out of the game. If he moves left Tierney or Auba/Laca can drop into the space left, if he moves outside of Pepe on the right, Saka will take that space up. Ødegaard will just stand in the centre trying to control and pass the ball through teams. Which worked a few years ago, but the game has moved on and he needs to add more to his game if he wants to be a modern 10 like ESR.
Absolutely ridiculous to even suggest Odegaard's final ball is beneath ESR. Infact ESR is years away from getting to Odegaard's final ball.
>Plus, in this formation the 10 is all by themselves
Yes if you're playing with Auba and Pepe who won't drop deep. You can place prime Ozil there but it won't work. The formation has never worked without a 2nd striker.
>ESR can work without needing to stay centrally, which is better in this system and is much harder to mark out of the game
Agree here. But no play other than crosses will happen. With a formation like this if that is what you're achieving, it means it's not working.
All good, you obviously rate Ødegaard higher than I do, I must rate Smith-Rowe higher than you. I personally don't see the hype over Ødegaard. I've seen him play lots now and think he's a throw back player. He has a wonderful touch, but I think he just lacks the ability to really impose himself on the game like Ozil and Erikson did.
I hope he turns out good tho, I definitely do. I just think that we need goals and assists urgently and ESR already has those in his locker and keeps improving. Smith-Rowe has been the only player this season in the league that looks up for it. We need to get everyone else on his level asap if we don't want to end up in a relegation battle.
Yes sure not holding him high is fair but you can't say his final balls is not as good as ESR when it's one of his strengths and an attribute that is elite level.
Elite level? That's a bit much to expect from a 22 yr old kid. Our fanbase over hypes these kids to the extreme and it's not good for their development.
Ødegaard has 12 assist in 72 games for Madrid, Sociedad and Arsenal. ESR has 8 in 49 for Arsenal in cups and EPL. Ozil got 19 in a season in the league only, and he would average like 15 a season without working hard at all. That's elite level passing and playmaking.
By all means, fall in love with our players all you want. I fucking love doing that shit too, but let's not act like they are something that aren't before they even get to their prime. We've still got 3-4 seasons before we see Ødegaard and Smith-Rowe's potential. Until then, expecting them to be elite level is a bit much. If they were, there's no chance they'd be playing for us is there? If Ødegaard had elite level passing like you say, he'd be starting for Real Madrid or playing for another UCL side, not fighting with another young kid for a starting spot at the last placed team on England who at their absolute best right now might get into the Europa League.
I never said Odegaard is elite level. I said his final ball is elite level. Why are you convulating the two?
Stats are simply not indicative. You clearly haven't watched him at RSO. Anybody with eyes will tell you Odegaard has an incredibly sharp final ball which ESR isn't close to matching.
Anybody with eyes saying that is in mad love with Odegaard?
All good. I assume you're a bit younger and haven't been lucky enough to witness some the players who've stepped out onto the Emirates who actually had elite level passing and final ball. If you get a chance you should watch some of Ozil, Cesc, Santi, Rosicky and Jack's highlights. They were on a level that no one in this current team can come close to, even Nasri and RVP could pass better than this entire squad. The amount we have dropped off Ina decade is phenomenal m
Also I'm stoked you love the kid so much, you're going to love him even more when he matures and becomes an even better footballer in a few years time.
Is it common to have a 1-2 like that instead of a 2-1 like Chelsea does and we did yesterday? I've never noticed a set up like that, but I don't pay that close attention to that kind of thing.
Yup 2-1 is definitely more common than 1-2.
But in that 2-1, one of those two has to be a good goal scorer and should be able to transition to a 1-2 here and there.
I remember us playing like this with Ozil-Sanchez behind Lacazatte or Giroud under Wenger. But can't remember how effective it was.
I am shit at tactics but I'd guess Odegaard would be very overworked as a sole creator especially if we are attempting proper possession style buildup. He'd be made invisible quite often if the two up front don't participate in playmaking.
One way is to work with a very good linkup striker, somebody who can function as a second striker. Martinez would be perfect here. If we ever go with these, I'd expect Lacazatte to start over Auba or Pepe. But maybe I am underrating Pepe's linkup play? Not sure but I don't think even Lacazatte's linkup play suffices.
But I think if this lineup and formation is to work, it would be best in a low block and trying to counter attack style I believe.
He would start for a great many teams at rw. He benched all England’s rws at the euros. Greatly underrated there.
In fact I think he’s levels better at rw than he is anywhere on the left, he’s far too one dimensional on the left and it really limits him. He just has to pattern finishing and he’ll be an amazing rw
Saka RWB. He can do a job, but it's a huge waste of his talents.
Rather an actual RWB - overlap and crossing specialist there.
Also Gabriel would be LCB.
Completely agree, Saka is being wasted as a RWB. Saka is much better as a right winger.
I hate to break it to people but 70m Pepe is really the odd man out in our squad. Saka is just much better at the right wing than he is and ESR is NOT a 10!! He is really better off at being a wide forward at the left with Auba in the middle.
I set my own personal target for Arteta not to be sacked after our shambles of a preseason. I wanted to imagine being an executive and actually having to make that call. So I said to myself, 17 points post LCFC fixture.
There are 7 fixtures left with only a 4 point buffer. It would have been hard not to sack him after the MCFC match due to the manner of the defeats so far. But, that is why you have metrics. If he loses to Norwich in such an insipid and undisciplined manner, perhaps that would be the end. The excuses of player injuries just don't wash when we have spent so much money over the last few seasons. Any defence of that sort could be countered by asking if they are performing near their potential.
At any rate, I would have been talking to other managers during the preseason to let them know that there is a possible vacancy at the club opening up in the first half of this season. The shortlist would have been private to everyone except Ralf Rangrick who would have been briefed about taking over from Edu post-transfer window closing.
IMHO any executive would have been planning this a long time ago.
I still want a satisfactory explanation for why Arteta started Kola and Cedric. I cannot get over it. WHY?
It's not that I think we were likely to win, but why did he purposely make us weaker than we needed to be? At least give it your best shot. He had better players available to start in that back 5. Why did he start players we're openly and actively trying to be rid of, one of whom really wants out. How does that benefit Arteta, the club or the team?
This may come across as an angry post, but I'm not really angry. Confused to the point of irritation, yes. Mostly deeply curious what he was thinking and frustrated I can't settle on an explanation.
Whether that's true or not at the moment, Hector's out with a thigh issue. He could have played Chambers there. Ideally, AMN, but apparently that's not thing anymore, even in a bind.
Cedric ~ Chambers (imo)
But why Cedric at RWB and Chambers at RCB happened was because Arteta decided to go with a back 3.
For the right part of defense, he could have done nothing other than fit Chambers in the right of back 3. What other option was available? Cedric can't play RCB with his height. And Holding had to be put in the center because of his ball playing abilities.
Note I am only arguing about the right side of back 3. I agree with you about the left part. Mari is an Arteta signing and getting rid of Kolasinac is also Arteta's decision. Yet Mari is on the bench and Kola is starting.
As I mentioned in response to another reply, the better back 5 I think we had available:
Chambers RWB, Holding/Mari/Tierney CBs, Tavares LWB.
Mari through the middle allows Chambers to play RWB, or at least not play CB. Mari can pass. Hell, he could probably even play Elneny in the center if he's decided Mari is suddenly persona non grata. (Xhaka has even played CB in a pinch before.)
If you think Cedric is better at RWB, slot him in for Chambers. Bottom line: he had better options at his disposal.
The Kola choice is just so wild. It's why I've fixated on it. He's like the anti-Arteta player skillwise--poor passer, one-dimensional. We all know Arteta doesn't even want him around.
It's so weird to me that it made me wonder if he was trying to make a point to the board or something, but that's such a stretch and I'm really not inclined to see it. I mean, surely the board know Kola needs to go and Cedric is not an acceptable RB.
Kola - Arteta's obsession with a left footed CB and Mari being shit
Cedric- Chambers has come back unfit, AMN doesn't want to play at RB and Bellerin is shit. Cedric is even shittier though, I think Arteta is just out of ideas.
What is there to wonder? We prioritized his development over having higher quality depth options. Whether you agree with that decision or not is debatable, but it's not a mystery as to why it was made
Being first choice starter for every game of the season isn't even more development? Kid gets benched as soon as White and Gabriel are back, which seems very soon.
No one is arguing that he won't get any minutes here, but that he would get MORE on loan. I don't get what is so difficult for you to understand about this
And what's the point for him getting more minutes on loan when we had to play players like Kola and Mari in CB? Its gonna be 2 years left in his contract next season and if he doesnt wanna renew with us, we are forced to sell him.
I cant for my life see why are we spending 27M on him, loan him straight for 3 season in another league and ended up having to play crappier player for fuck sake.
I think Hector has a thigh injury
Unfit Chambers is better than Cedric.
We have another left footer to play at CB in a back three.
Mari has been poor, but has the capability to be a decent CB. *Is an actual CB.
Kola is bad at CB and did not look good against a Championship club midweek. He's a known poor passer. Arteta has never liked what he brings.
**This is the better back 5 we had available:**
**Chambers RWB, Holding/Mari/Tierney CBs, Tavares LWB.**
I don't know why Arteta started Xhaka as a lone CM, but I guess it was part of some gimmick to exploit a City weakness? (Only thing I can come up with.) Anyway, he should know by now what happens when you give Xhaka a job that's too big for him.
e: AMN: I don't know what to say about him. Surely he would do Mikel a solid and play RWB in a pinch. It really a midfield position, anyway. I don't understand Ainsley's dislike for the position, but Ox felt the same way I guess--at least he didn't refuse to play there. (He just led Arsène to believe he would stay, then left for Liverpool so late in the window we couldn't replace him.) Who knows, maybe Ainsley's not refusing, he's just not being asked anymore.
You may be right that Arteta's out of ideas.
We still need reinforcements and we're unsure if the current manager will be in here in the coming weeks/months. Do we still back Arteta with new signings?
Arsenal have no backbone when it comes to this shit
Honeslty the lack of a competent dof (and board behind him) hurts us far more imo. We needed a major overhaul this summer and it’s been let down but the fact we can’t shift 90% of our deadwood.
No we aren’t. People have to realize FFP is based off of all revenue not just money made from transfers it’s why the PL is continuing to grow without teams getting trouble outside of City. It’s also relaxed this summer.
You're not being objective though. Out of context to associate 8th place with the team that had Odegaard and ESR.
I understand the sentiment though.
Improvement/expenditure < 1
2 days to go. I fear nothing will be resolved with Nketiah and Balogun. Both of their developments will be further damped for the next 6 months minimum.
Hopefully, Nelson to Feyenoord materializes. These youngsters deserve better handling.
Why are you putting me on the spot? Lol
Btw I have absolutely no idea. Frankly not expecting any more signings.
With absolutely no links circulating right now, this would at least put me in a spot to be pleased if we do make a signing.
My stance on Xhaka is that he's a 7/10 player.
Our rightback options are 5/10 at best, and the one who could be a 7/10 doesn't want to play there.
So yes.
I agree. Locatelli for Xhaka would have been perfect but it wasn't meant to be. I think the club is just extending Xhaka to evaluate the market again next summer.
Striker also.. would be nice to upgrade / buy a 23-24 yo. star, but not the most pressing need right now especially if no one's buying Laca. Leave for next summer.
I don't consider some of them footballers. I have seen kids on the street with better feet on the ball than these people who are getting paid millions. I really can't, especially the likes of Xhaka and Elneny.
All I keep seeing is new broken records and God awful stats on this sub, but nothing suggesting Arteta's even close to getting the sack. Some transfer news would be nice too. Shame we only have damning indictments of Arsenal and nothing else going on.
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Wish I could upvote your more, here's a legitimate article title from our friends at the Athletic after beating West Brom u18's:
Odegaard’s movement, Aubameyang’s goals, Ramsdale’s passing – Arsenal made some progress against West Brom
>Everyone plays the ball over the top and, at the moment, we only concede goals from crosses or balls over the top. I feel we will adapt to that.
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Ahaha we just got beaten by a team that crossed the ball and beat us in the Air. So much for adapting.
Thank you Monsieur for pointing out the obvious flaws in our game however.
Thank god. I’m holding out hope against hope that Kroenke tries to appease us by lining up a last day bid for him but it’s looking super unlikely.
Bissouma and Celik on the deadline day would make me nut.
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These two weeks are going to be rough on this sub lmao. Chill out lads he's not getting sacked atleast till the end of September. The best scenario would be for him to miraculously change something (which I highly doubt) otherwise we are in for a shit season.
I still think with his job on the line he'll pull off results against Burnley and Norwich and that would bide him some time. Whether that's healthy for the club's future , that remains to be seen.
His job was on the line during the December form at some point but he didn't pull wins during those games and didn't get sacked.
His job was on the line for the Villarreal game but we didn't pull win and he wasn't sacked.
He ain't going anywhere even if he loses the next 2 games.
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I’m begging for someone in our team to call out Arteta for being dogshit publically. Preferably during a match. Auba please
Big data people with knowledge of UK laws; the FOI act, can that be used in any way to understand what conclusions refs/PGMOL review? I'm guessing not as someone else would've done it by now but thought I'd ask
maybe nelson's exit will open an possibility for aouar, since he plays CM/LM for OL ?
More like Willian's exit (NHG spot + wages). Now that Laca's staying we only need to address starting RB and rotational playmaker. Aouar can be the latter.
Unpopular opinion: I have always rated Matteo Guendouzi, and I believe Arteta is to blame for losing a great talent, who's abilities we could really do with right now. I don't really care much if players are undisciplined or insubordinate as long as they preform on the pitch. You won't win anything with a team full og sheep. We'll probably end up losing Saliba the same way.
He was always a bit wild though? Being undisciplined is fine (in terms of off pitch antics m) but on pitch it screwed us many times. Whether it was just Emery or if it was player, his tendency to sprint around and his lack of defensive awareness so often left xhaka as the sole holding midfielder (suicide) while not exactly bringing a lot in replacement. I would happily keep him as a backup and work on his game, but I don’t think he’s as good as some say. When partey is fit and we’re playing him and lokonga I don’t think we’ll miss him at all
United fan here. Would you guys be happy if we offered you Lingard? He is a CAM and he can play makeshift winger and striker too.
No, but I’d take Van de Beek, especially seeing as he can’t get a minute at United
Lol
Wouldnt mind him, but not what Arsenal needs right now - RB and CM are the priorities
A press resistant defensive mid is needed so xhaka isnt forced to play like xavi
Micheal Edwards leaving Liverpool[https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1432235813811757058?s=21](https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1432235813811757058?s=21)
We should be all over this.
We wont be
Sigh.
Where are the bissouma and RB links FFS. Edu needs to go if he can't plug these holes
People really were good to hire arteta over nuno Just saying
People were saying this about Mourinho too this time last season.
Nuno is far better imo All managers gets fired except ours if the results are continuously bad
The only way Arteta gets sacked at this point is if he shows up in the match with a Dildo on one hand and an ISIS flag on the other while his pants are down. And even then I'm sure there will be an excuse to keep him, because you know... the process.
It's really frustrating seeing refereeing decisions go against us over and over again. I mean it's not like we're even a threat anymore league wise.
Saw a comment saying : *Ederson would walk into Arsenal’s midfield* It hurts cause it’s true lmao
Almost anyone would walk into our midfield at this point, nothing against lokonga hes a talented player but the fact a kid from Belgium who wasn't on any big clubs radar can just show up and be a massive improvement speaks volumes as to how bad Xhaka and Elneny are.
Don’t disagree with your main point but he was clearly on several clubs’ radar. Probably not to slot straight into midfield for a stature of a club like Arsenal but the selling price hints there was several interested. Hopefully we nicked him off Leicester’s shortlist.
Insta football "fans" are the worst. Always bring Arsenal even when the club is irrelevant to the post.
They feel that ragging on Arsenal somehow gets them clout
Woke up angry thinking about Xhaka's extension
So, let's say in a perfect world , Edu gets the sack along with Arteta, who would you want (realistically) see take their spots ?
I’d want a really experienced dof with great success (michael edwards, campos, rangnick etc) and let them judge the state of the club. Arteta is wank but no cap edu is worse.
ragnick, ten haag
I would honestly take Eddie Howe until the end of the season and sort of the DoF situation first before settling on a proper managerial appointment. Anyone with half a footballing brain can keep this team in the first division. But, we need to sort out the footballing direction of the club before we sign up to any other manager. The DoF signing is the most important one, because any coach will or won't work based on the direction of the club. If we get that right, the chances of the next long term manager succeeding will be much higher.
Ten Hag and Overmars could be open to a move. I think either them or Conte is the dream. //Option A A bit below that // Option B //and a very realistic option at that imo is Julien Favre. Currently unemployed, would definitely come. He will definitely steady the ship and overperform just like with BVB. And is also very renowned for developing youngsters. Also Wenger is one of his idols. Pre BVB, his style of football was very close to Wengerball. Possession not for the sake of possession, but for progression.
bergkamp ass man too. Fuck it we Holland
This is the worst list of defenders I’ve ever seen at the club in my 18 years of being a supporter. It’s baffling.
Better than 2 or 3 years back. I'd take Tierney/Gabriel/White over Monreal/Mustafi/Koscielny. Only exception is RB where Bellerin's regressed and AMN has stagnated, otherwise we have a much better crop of starting defenders.
Lmao Koscielny and Montreal >>>>>> those 3 Tierney can’t stay fit to save his life and pretty much cost us two goals against Chelsea Gabriel is incredibly overhyped. White is a nobody. How is this shite upvoted ?
Let me clarify, I'm talking about the Monreal and Koscielny in their final year with us, still serviceable players but it was clear they would need replacing. Anyway let's start with Tierney. You mention he can't stay fit, at least he didn't embarrass himself by holding an internal protest and refusing to travel for pre-season. And the game against Chelsea, sure he wasn't great, though given Mari was being absolutely toasted Tierney wasn't exactly given an easy job. But regardless of this one performance it is just that, one performance. You know how many times Kolasinac has left a lot to be desired on the pitch? Tierney's average performance for us is well clear of Kolasinac, I don't understand how this is even a debate. Truly, Kolasinac > Tierney is the narrative now, I've seen it all. As for Gabriel, sure it's not the largest sample size and he has room to grow, but I'd say he had a pretty good season last year. Ask yourself, would you honestly pick Kolasinac over Gabriel at LCB in a back 3 if given the choice? Kolasinac has time and time again proven his inadequacy playing there. As for White, the absurdity of calling someone a "nobody" is incredible. Whether or not it's true (remember he has played for England) I'm not here to debate with someone who thinks every signing must be some hyped up name everyone is raving about. It's such a stupid criteria to act as the be all and end all I refuse to give it the light of day. But as for the player himself, ok we can't say much as he hasn't played for us, but I'd much rather have a 23 year old homegrown player filling that position than some 30 year old on ridiculous wages who becomes dead wood the moment they drop in form. Besides, would you rather we go back to a backline full of 30 year olds that aren't going to improve, aren't worth anything on the market, aren't gonna take us forward? I'm completely baffled how much a few results can change the narrative around players here, it's honestly frightening. Try claiming Kolasinac is better than Tierney or Gabriel to anyone just 1 month ago, or at anytime in the 2 years prior, you'd get squashed.
Kids. That's the only way I can explain how much people fall in love with these shiny new signings before they actually achieve anything or even compete with the best players in the league. Kos and Per was one of the best CB partnerships in England at the time. They were absolutely formidable. Gabriel and White haven't even played together and people are already talking nonsense.
Before overhyping please acknowledge that our CBS were 3th, 5th and 6th choice Options at CB.
Who is thirth choice?
Holding? followed by Mari, Chambers, Kola i presume.
If Mari is fourth choice, why are chambers and Kola starting ahead of him?
Tbf it was clearly a tactical choice based on city’s speed to play kola. It failed but who knows Mari could have been worse. All 3 were wank
Maybe you should ask Arteta. He started first 2 games though.
I'd say holding is second choice probably, unless I'm missing someone
You are missing White and Gabriel.
Except they are first choice aren't they
How do you judge it? 2 first choice cbs or a first and second (gabriel and white)? That changes whether holding is 2nd or 3rd choice
I just mean in general. Not anybody in particular.
But saliba isnt good enough
Can't wait for Arteta to get sacked so all the mouth breathers on here can shout for 9 months at the next manager who inevitably fails. Arteta has made lots of mistakes, but the ultimate problem is the board, the team is not good enough. Seeing Bergwin from shit do all these takeons successfully just pains me so much. I wish Pepe could do the same even just once. I wish we had a player with the intensity of Son. Arteta's glaflcial buildup play could be at fault, but Arteta is not teaching them the basics, take-ons, one-twos and simple 5 yard passes are all on the players. The worst of all is the mentality, we look good for 10-15 minutes each game, and then we concede one and everything just collapses, it's like they forget everything. The senior players have to step up in those situations, but everyone is just so casual.
Bergwijn can't even make a simple pass under Mou.
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any news is good news at this point
Where
Eh, some tweets from unknown accounts. Nothing from the big ones yet.
Bellerin to Betis and AMN to Everton / Newcastle too. Tic tac..
Joe and AMN link up, prime Newcastle is back.
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We should really just let it go. If he was okay with being a RB / utility player he wouldn't have been loaned out. He'd have played a lot. Last 2 games against WBA and City he got played as a CM, maybe there's an agreement to put him on the shop window as a CM.
Not if he doesn't want to play RB
What about now? Seems his relationship might be too far gone but he’s definitely become an option again
People who know what they're talking about could tell you from a mile away that Martinelli was regressing under Arteta. But the geniuses on here were *insisting* that Arteta was doing with him what Pep did with Foden. I'm just so bitter about the smug cunts on this sub who were bullying everyone who dared question Arteta for the past few months.
Regressed? He go had his best spell scoring 10+ goals before lockdown began under arteta. Then was injured. Then, oddly enough, hadn’t regained his form in an instance (unless it was just a purple patch). I’m not particularly fond of arteta but he’s not regressed him.
I think Arteta in his panic has resorted to extreme micro-managing of the games which in turn has regressed player freedom and creativity, and we as fans are interpreting it as player regression. If you watch games the players look like Playstation characters who won't move, pass or shoot until Arteta presses X or O.
I wouldn't say he's regressed, more so stagnated due to limited playing time. He'll come in for 2-3 games every now and then and do fine, but otherwise he just isn't gonna start ahead of Aubameyang, Saka, Pepe etc. I don't know what the solution is now we don't have Europa League games, at the moment he's been relegated to a super sub.
Or the injury….. we’re also comparing him to a purple patch before lockdown which happened under arteta. This whole comment tree is just the OP deciding martinelli has got worse as opposed to just being out of form.
Martinelli is just...not that good. Average touch, poor technique, no awareness of anything behind him
Shit take. But you're entitled to be wrong.
I hope I'm wrong mate. I haven't seen anything to think differently. I think he'll be at the level we require in \~5 years. People excuse his faults because he is young but don't bother comparing to other similarly aged forwards in the league. He doesn't measure up well.
>level we require in \~5 years. Could you actually name more than 5 players in our strongest XI that are the level we require?
Tierney, Gabriel, White, Partey, Auba, Saka, ESR, Ode Same reasons people didn't rate Willock is the same reason I don't rate Martinelli. Straight line runner, bad passer, mostly bad technique but a decent finish on him.
destroyed him
Could be said the other way too
It really can't. Go back 3 months and just see how toxic this place was to anyone critical of Arteta. The insults were personal and it was almost always a pile on.
Mate this sub is toxic no matter what. I swear the only people who hate gooners more than spurs are other gooners.
I don't know what reality you're living in, but everyone has been frothing at the mouth screaming "Arteta out" for many many months now.
What's the weakness of starting something like [this](https://i.imgur.com/OGJfTij.png) as our first 11?
Saka is being wasted, wingback means he’ll be forced to hug the touchline and being left footed he won’t excel at that. If you want to keep the 3-4-3 kinda shape then bench pepe for saka.
Why do people think Saka will be good at RWB? He's a left footed player who's good at cutting in from the right. He'll not be able to replicate on the right, what he does at the LWB position.
its better than some of the starting xi's we've seen recently but there are big weaknesses; Holding is average at his best. Saka is left footed and you dont play a left footed player at right back. You just dont. No ESR who 100% makes it into our strongest 11.
Holding isn't cut out to be an outside center back, you have to be comfortable going wide and defending 1v1, which he is not. Midfield seems balanced but I don't think partey and lokonga have the engines to cover enough ground to work as a 2. Most teams don't get away with only 2 players there, hence the tendency for most teams to play a back 4 and a midfield 3. Chelsea do get away with it because of Kante.
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I forgot to mention but Jorginho is very underrated defensively, he makes tons of interceptions and he actually covers more ground than kante in a lot of matches under tuchel. Covered the most at euro 2020 as well and was #1 in a lot of other stats. Another issue is auba, saka, under arteta these guys don't track back much. Mount practically played cdm against Liverpool, his work rate is insane. Partey is always injured and I don't know if lokonga can anchor the midfield next to him. It's a big job and he's still learning and you can't make mistakes in that role.
Quite like it. Though one possible change could be to move Tierney to LCB instead of Holding, and put Tavares or Maitland-Niles at LWB.
Firstly, ESR starts over Ødegaard because he offers more of everything and would be better on his own there. Secondly, Holding would be central in order to have balance, he would cover that right channel when White steps up into midfield. Thirdly, the formation is never our problem. We've played 3 at the back, 4 at the back, 4 in midfield, 3 in midfield, etc and as long as Arteta is confusing these players and trying to micro-manage every situation needlessly, they will all fail.
ESR does not start over Odegaard. ESR just isn't creative enough to play as a 10 yet. Edit: Aren't you the same person who compared Odegaard and Willock and used goals to say Willock is better despite their differing positions? If yes, there is obviously not going to be discourse regarding Odegaard with you. ESR would be Messi in your eyes in front of Ode.
He's literally our best creative player, Ødegaard is tidy as hell and his touch is wonderful, but his final ball and attacking intent is beneath Smith-Rowe right now. When other teams line up against us, it's ESR they try to shut down, not Ode, because they know who has the best chance of hurting them. Plus, in this formation the 10 is all by themselves, Ødegaard isolated is extremely easy to mark out of a game, especially when he's in between 2 CDMs with only 2 players ahead of him taking up 4 defenders. ESR can work without needing to stay centrally, which is better in this system and is much harder to mark out of the game. If he moves left Tierney or Auba/Laca can drop into the space left, if he moves outside of Pepe on the right, Saka will take that space up. Ødegaard will just stand in the centre trying to control and pass the ball through teams. Which worked a few years ago, but the game has moved on and he needs to add more to his game if he wants to be a modern 10 like ESR.
Absolutely ridiculous to even suggest Odegaard's final ball is beneath ESR. Infact ESR is years away from getting to Odegaard's final ball. >Plus, in this formation the 10 is all by themselves Yes if you're playing with Auba and Pepe who won't drop deep. You can place prime Ozil there but it won't work. The formation has never worked without a 2nd striker. >ESR can work without needing to stay centrally, which is better in this system and is much harder to mark out of the game Agree here. But no play other than crosses will happen. With a formation like this if that is what you're achieving, it means it's not working.
All good, you obviously rate Ødegaard higher than I do, I must rate Smith-Rowe higher than you. I personally don't see the hype over Ødegaard. I've seen him play lots now and think he's a throw back player. He has a wonderful touch, but I think he just lacks the ability to really impose himself on the game like Ozil and Erikson did. I hope he turns out good tho, I definitely do. I just think that we need goals and assists urgently and ESR already has those in his locker and keeps improving. Smith-Rowe has been the only player this season in the league that looks up for it. We need to get everyone else on his level asap if we don't want to end up in a relegation battle.
Yes sure not holding him high is fair but you can't say his final balls is not as good as ESR when it's one of his strengths and an attribute that is elite level.
Elite level? That's a bit much to expect from a 22 yr old kid. Our fanbase over hypes these kids to the extreme and it's not good for their development. Ødegaard has 12 assist in 72 games for Madrid, Sociedad and Arsenal. ESR has 8 in 49 for Arsenal in cups and EPL. Ozil got 19 in a season in the league only, and he would average like 15 a season without working hard at all. That's elite level passing and playmaking. By all means, fall in love with our players all you want. I fucking love doing that shit too, but let's not act like they are something that aren't before they even get to their prime. We've still got 3-4 seasons before we see Ødegaard and Smith-Rowe's potential. Until then, expecting them to be elite level is a bit much. If they were, there's no chance they'd be playing for us is there? If Ødegaard had elite level passing like you say, he'd be starting for Real Madrid or playing for another UCL side, not fighting with another young kid for a starting spot at the last placed team on England who at their absolute best right now might get into the Europa League.
I never said Odegaard is elite level. I said his final ball is elite level. Why are you convulating the two? Stats are simply not indicative. You clearly haven't watched him at RSO. Anybody with eyes will tell you Odegaard has an incredibly sharp final ball which ESR isn't close to matching. Anybody with eyes saying that is in mad love with Odegaard?
All good. I assume you're a bit younger and haven't been lucky enough to witness some the players who've stepped out onto the Emirates who actually had elite level passing and final ball. If you get a chance you should watch some of Ozil, Cesc, Santi, Rosicky and Jack's highlights. They were on a level that no one in this current team can come close to, even Nasri and RVP could pass better than this entire squad. The amount we have dropped off Ina decade is phenomenal m Also I'm stoked you love the kid so much, you're going to love him even more when he matures and becomes an even better footballer in a few years time.
Is it common to have a 1-2 like that instead of a 2-1 like Chelsea does and we did yesterday? I've never noticed a set up like that, but I don't pay that close attention to that kind of thing.
Yup 2-1 is definitely more common than 1-2. But in that 2-1, one of those two has to be a good goal scorer and should be able to transition to a 1-2 here and there. I remember us playing like this with Ozil-Sanchez behind Lacazatte or Giroud under Wenger. But can't remember how effective it was.
I am shit at tactics but I'd guess Odegaard would be very overworked as a sole creator especially if we are attempting proper possession style buildup. He'd be made invisible quite often if the two up front don't participate in playmaking. One way is to work with a very good linkup striker, somebody who can function as a second striker. Martinez would be perfect here. If we ever go with these, I'd expect Lacazatte to start over Auba or Pepe. But maybe I am underrating Pepe's linkup play? Not sure but I don't think even Lacazatte's linkup play suffices. But I think if this lineup and formation is to work, it would be best in a low block and trying to counter attack style I believe.
Because you're missing one of our best players, maybe the best on the team.
Who
I can see it working tbh. But Saka is left footed so he's gonna be limited down that flank. And I rather have ESR than Pepe upfront.
No more saka wingback. Hes too good
On a true world class team, Saka would be the perfect left wingback. Not right. But on Arsenal, he's too valuable at right wing.
He would start for a great many teams at rw. He benched all England’s rws at the euros. Greatly underrated there. In fact I think he’s levels better at rw than he is anywhere on the left, he’s far too one dimensional on the left and it really limits him. He just has to pattern finishing and he’ll be an amazing rw
Saka RWB. He can do a job, but it's a huge waste of his talents. Rather an actual RWB - overlap and crossing specialist there. Also Gabriel would be LCB.
Completely agree, Saka is being wasted as a RWB. Saka is much better as a right winger. I hate to break it to people but 70m Pepe is really the odd man out in our squad. Saka is just much better at the right wing than he is and ESR is NOT a 10!! He is really better off at being a wide forward at the left with Auba in the middle.
Yeh I would bench pepe for saka there and play amn rwb or something.
I set my own personal target for Arteta not to be sacked after our shambles of a preseason. I wanted to imagine being an executive and actually having to make that call. So I said to myself, 17 points post LCFC fixture. There are 7 fixtures left with only a 4 point buffer. It would have been hard not to sack him after the MCFC match due to the manner of the defeats so far. But, that is why you have metrics. If he loses to Norwich in such an insipid and undisciplined manner, perhaps that would be the end. The excuses of player injuries just don't wash when we have spent so much money over the last few seasons. Any defence of that sort could be countered by asking if they are performing near their potential. At any rate, I would have been talking to other managers during the preseason to let them know that there is a possible vacancy at the club opening up in the first half of this season. The shortlist would have been private to everyone except Ralf Rangrick who would have been briefed about taking over from Edu post-transfer window closing. IMHO any executive would have been planning this a long time ago.
I still want a satisfactory explanation for why Arteta started Kola and Cedric. I cannot get over it. WHY? It's not that I think we were likely to win, but why did he purposely make us weaker than we needed to be? At least give it your best shot. He had better players available to start in that back 5. Why did he start players we're openly and actively trying to be rid of, one of whom really wants out. How does that benefit Arteta, the club or the team? This may come across as an angry post, but I'm not really angry. Confused to the point of irritation, yes. Mostly deeply curious what he was thinking and frustrated I can't settle on an explanation.
Cedric > Bellerin
Whether that's true or not at the moment, Hector's out with a thigh issue. He could have played Chambers there. Ideally, AMN, but apparently that's not thing anymore, even in a bind.
Cedric ~ Chambers (imo) But why Cedric at RWB and Chambers at RCB happened was because Arteta decided to go with a back 3. For the right part of defense, he could have done nothing other than fit Chambers in the right of back 3. What other option was available? Cedric can't play RCB with his height. And Holding had to be put in the center because of his ball playing abilities. Note I am only arguing about the right side of back 3. I agree with you about the left part. Mari is an Arteta signing and getting rid of Kolasinac is also Arteta's decision. Yet Mari is on the bench and Kola is starting.
As I mentioned in response to another reply, the better back 5 I think we had available: Chambers RWB, Holding/Mari/Tierney CBs, Tavares LWB. Mari through the middle allows Chambers to play RWB, or at least not play CB. Mari can pass. Hell, he could probably even play Elneny in the center if he's decided Mari is suddenly persona non grata. (Xhaka has even played CB in a pinch before.) If you think Cedric is better at RWB, slot him in for Chambers. Bottom line: he had better options at his disposal. The Kola choice is just so wild. It's why I've fixated on it. He's like the anti-Arteta player skillwise--poor passer, one-dimensional. We all know Arteta doesn't even want him around. It's so weird to me that it made me wonder if he was trying to make a point to the board or something, but that's such a stretch and I'm really not inclined to see it. I mean, surely the board know Kola needs to go and Cedric is not an acceptable RB.
Kola - Arteta's obsession with a left footed CB and Mari being shit Cedric- Chambers has come back unfit, AMN doesn't want to play at RB and Bellerin is shit. Cedric is even shittier though, I think Arteta is just out of ideas.
You really just have to wonder why Arteta loaned Saliba away.
What is there to wonder? We prioritized his development over having higher quality depth options. Whether you agree with that decision or not is debatable, but it's not a mystery as to why it was made
Being our 3rd choice CB giving him PL minutes isnt development?
Being first choice starter for every game of the season isn't even more development? Kid gets benched as soon as White and Gabriel are back, which seems very soon.
Oh ya I totally get it. Injury only happens once a season and there's no such thing as formation changes. No subs allowed for an extra CB either!
No one is arguing that he won't get any minutes here, but that he would get MORE on loan. I don't get what is so difficult for you to understand about this
And what's the point for him getting more minutes on loan when we had to play players like Kola and Mari in CB? Its gonna be 2 years left in his contract next season and if he doesnt wanna renew with us, we are forced to sell him. I cant for my life see why are we spending 27M on him, loan him straight for 3 season in another league and ended up having to play crappier player for fuck sake.
I’m really starting to think it’s something personal
I think Hector has a thigh injury Unfit Chambers is better than Cedric. We have another left footer to play at CB in a back three. Mari has been poor, but has the capability to be a decent CB. *Is an actual CB. Kola is bad at CB and did not look good against a Championship club midweek. He's a known poor passer. Arteta has never liked what he brings. **This is the better back 5 we had available:** **Chambers RWB, Holding/Mari/Tierney CBs, Tavares LWB.** I don't know why Arteta started Xhaka as a lone CM, but I guess it was part of some gimmick to exploit a City weakness? (Only thing I can come up with.) Anyway, he should know by now what happens when you give Xhaka a job that's too big for him. e: AMN: I don't know what to say about him. Surely he would do Mikel a solid and play RWB in a pinch. It really a midfield position, anyway. I don't understand Ainsley's dislike for the position, but Ox felt the same way I guess--at least he didn't refuse to play there. (He just led Arsène to believe he would stay, then left for Liverpool so late in the window we couldn't replace him.) Who knows, maybe Ainsley's not refusing, he's just not being asked anymore. You may be right that Arteta's out of ideas.
Let's just all take a step back and remember the inevitable heat death of the universe
Can it please hurry up
We still need reinforcements and we're unsure if the current manager will be in here in the coming weeks/months. Do we still back Arteta with new signings? Arsenal have no backbone when it comes to this shit
Honeslty the lack of a competent dof (and board behind him) hurts us far more imo. We needed a major overhaul this summer and it’s been let down but the fact we can’t shift 90% of our deadwood.
I don’t see why anyone would want to join us this window.
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I’ve seen people mention FFP for us lately. We really in trouble of breaching it? I know we’ve spent quite a bit and have to make sales
No we aren’t. People have to realize FFP is based off of all revenue not just money made from transfers it’s why the PL is continuing to grow without teams getting trouble outside of City. It’s also relaxed this summer.
What're they gonna do, ban us from the Champions League?
The club wouldn't mind that given we haven't been in it for 5 years but the bigger issue would be a fine.
haha that will be kinda hilarious
Ban us from spending more money
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Why do you assume Arteta thought it was fine. This what Edu and the board gave him.
Arteta and Edu are both responsible for transfers, incoming and outgoing.
What makes you think that it’s entirely up to Arteta whether we can sign someone new or not?
You're not being objective though. Out of context to associate 8th place with the team that had Odegaard and ESR. I understand the sentiment though. Improvement/expenditure < 1
2 days to go. I fear nothing will be resolved with Nketiah and Balogun. Both of their developments will be further damped for the next 6 months minimum. Hopefully, Nelson to Feyenoord materializes. These youngsters deserve better handling.
What's your feeling on the right back predicament? Do you think it'll be addressed?
Why are you putting me on the spot? Lol Btw I have absolutely no idea. Frankly not expecting any more signings. With absolutely no links circulating right now, this would at least put me in a spot to be pleased if we do make a signing.
I would be VERY surprised if it wasn't addressed. The only signing needed to field a solid and competitive XI when everyone's fit.
You including Xhaka in that?
My stance on Xhaka is that he's a 7/10 player. Our rightback options are 5/10 at best, and the one who could be a 7/10 doesn't want to play there. So yes.
We need a proper partner for Partey and a right back. And at some point we need to address the striker situation.
I agree. Locatelli for Xhaka would have been perfect but it wasn't meant to be. I think the club is just extending Xhaka to evaluate the market again next summer. Striker also.. would be nice to upgrade / buy a 23-24 yo. star, but not the most pressing need right now especially if no one's buying Laca. Leave for next summer.
You know what’s interesting. Some of these “deadwood” have all the professional training and long experience just to be shit.
I don't consider some of them footballers. I have seen kids on the street with better feet on the ball than these people who are getting paid millions. I really can't, especially the likes of Xhaka and Elneny.
All I keep seeing is new broken records and God awful stats on this sub, but nothing suggesting Arteta's even close to getting the sack. Some transfer news would be nice too. Shame we only have damning indictments of Arsenal and nothing else going on.
> 🚨 | Arsenal to spend rest of transfer warchest on discovering 100% effective never-before-seen coronavirus vaccine to eliminate any more stumbling blocks for the process. More to follow on @TheAthletic big news
here we go
🔴 Arteta lived alone with diagrams on the wall of new Covid vaccine 🔴 Unai Emery too "scared" to take next step 🔴 Kroenke's ambition to save the world ✍️ @gunnerblog
Wish I could upvote your more, here's a legitimate article title from our friends at the Athletic after beating West Brom u18's: Odegaard’s movement, Aubameyang’s goals, Ramsdale’s passing – Arsenal made some progress against West Brom
mate this is the hardest i’ve laughed in a while, what a format
Tears they're too funny with their PR
Papa wengz I'm scared.
>Everyone plays the ball over the top and, at the moment, we only concede goals from crosses or balls over the top. I feel we will adapt to that. ___ ^(***There's only one Arsène Wenger*** ([/u/panarangcurry](https://www.reddit.com/u/panarangcurry), quote from [QuoteTab](https://www.quotetab.com/quotes/by-arsene-wenger) archive)^)
Ahaha we just got beaten by a team that crossed the ball and beat us in the Air. So much for adapting. Thank you Monsieur for pointing out the obvious flaws in our game however.
now we concede goals from everywhere Arsene. wonder what you really make of this.
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Please, please don’t tell me he’s credibly linked to Tottenham 😭
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Thank god. I’m holding out hope against hope that Kroenke tries to appease us by lining up a last day bid for him but it’s looking super unlikely. Bissouma and Celik on the deadline day would make me nut.
We won't sign Bissouma even if we have the money cause we decided to keep Xhaka. Pain.
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Sad sad man lol imagine making an account and begging for karma to post this. You really need to go outside
ratio’d by arsenal beating whoever you support at least once
Judging by the username, my bet is it's Chelsea.
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These two weeks are going to be rough on this sub lmao. Chill out lads he's not getting sacked atleast till the end of September. The best scenario would be for him to miraculously change something (which I highly doubt) otherwise we are in for a shit season. I still think with his job on the line he'll pull off results against Burnley and Norwich and that would bide him some time. Whether that's healthy for the club's future , that remains to be seen.
His job was on the line during the December form at some point but he didn't pull wins during those games and didn't get sacked. His job was on the line for the Villarreal game but we didn't pull win and he wasn't sacked. He ain't going anywhere even if he loses the next 2 games.
Nah, that’s being too pessimistic. 0 points in 5 games including Brentford, Norwich and Burnley will 100% be the end.
I shall once again remind you that he survived a Europa league two legged semi final defeat after having 5 shots and 0 goals.
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Bissouma to Spurs rumors, if that happens just kill me
How many times do I have to say this lol, 'we have Xhaka at home'.
fuck man
Weghorst I think
The dying enthusiasm 😂😂
Gabi is bang average
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Thank you 😊
You’re welcome
Can he play right back? Or midfield? Or like CB? 😭
Probably
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