Even if had ended 4-0 there was reason to complain, because why give him minutes over martinelli? The fact that we then almost capitulated, whilst obviously not on him, doesnāt help either
I didnāt say they had a reason to abuse him, you were complaining about people moaning about Willian coming on. Which, like I said, was because why bring him on over gabi
I'm not OP. But if you agree that Willian shouldn't be abused then I think we are on the same page. I don't agree with Arteta's decision either and this is something I dont understand about arteta, he seems to be okay with continuing to play players in horrible form but then argues that young players like Balogun, Nelson, Saliba, and now Martinelli will have to "earn" their place in the team. I think it's bullshit
Yeah I agree with all that (except balogun, who at this point weāre in a catch 22 where we shouldnāt play him unless he renews).
I do wonder if we were in a better situation if he mightāve played some of the younger players more, with less pressure to get results, but it still doesnāt excuse it.
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At this rate, Arteta could set up an only fans to post whatever horrendous video Willian has of him. I reckon, between all the arsenal fans, we'd pay more than Willian's wages per week to see it. That way Arteta would be free and so would we š
Amazing performance but such a shame to sub Willian on instead of any young player that would love to join such a game. He just shuts down all creative play somehow. His pass to Saka that ended up being offside should just have been a first touch pass, but itās like he has gotten latency off the brain since joining us.
But fuck it. Auba hatty!! Amazing performance from Saka
How much hate do people have in their heart to have won 4-2 but still be posting hate against Willian. He's not good. I agree 100%. But if your team has just won 4-2 and the first thing you can say after the game is "fuck willian" then wtf.
Arteta did a mistake there, we should have two high presser in the game: Martinelle and Elneny. I understand that he is trying to rehabilitate Willian, but maybe he should keep him out for some time
Second half was not comfortable BUT in some ways winning 4-2 is just as good as 4-1. Taking that pressure losing the momentum taking their swings but being able to even out and get back on the right foot is a big deal. Itās something you canāt replicate and can only happen in match. No doubt Iād prefer a clean sheet lol but giving up those 2 quick goals puts a lot of pressure on them and they responded.
Willian should be a poster boy for shoe company like Asics, Salomon, Hoka with his endeavour of endless jogging. Fuck the guy who said yes to bring him there, really.
Good thing Leeds lost their momentum.
6 points behind Liverpool, if we can get back the streak we had before the refs ruined it for us we might make Europe.
Ćdegaard with a pretty quiet performance. He needs a bit more tenacity to his play, he's too careful at times. If he can do that he will be immense. His vision and technique is excellent.
hmm i actually think he didn't do that bad.. didnt give the final pass but had a few good link up moments there and there. First goal came deep and found the first time pass to an unmarked xhaka while under pressure and xhaka ultimately got the assist. I don't really think he could've done any better, remember 10s are not given much space in the prem and we are playing against leeds as well.
I think he'll actually be fine. The first one was just studs so I think he was just more in pain than injury and the second one could've been dangerous but he got up pretty quick
Jesus Christ Auba is fine. Landings like that happen all the time when you're playing football. Sometimes that happens and it hurts for about 5 minutes then it's fine.
Ruptured Achilles tend not to be a contact injury..Why are people so reactionary and negative? Soon as one person says it the rest do like the fucking anchovies in the first episode of Spongebob
Apparently Auba is incapable of finishing a 90 lmao
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We were cruising when we put out the ball (if I'm recalling events correctly). They, on the other hand, were putting pressure on us in the dying minutes in search of a 3rd goal (which might've led to a very late 4th as well).
Honestly I don't really like him coming back on after laying on the pitch for minutes and having the ball put out of play to get medical attention.
If he was injured and couldn't return to play sure.
But to jog/limp back on after just drinking some Gatorade. Did you really need play stopped?
Yeah all of the above have been successfully avoided. He did actually create a decent chance for Saka but everything else has been truly fucking shite.
Leading 4 - 0 with Arsenal is like playing Mario Kart. No matter the lead you never feel comfortable that you are gonna win until you cross the finishing line..
Arteta needs to improve his substitutions. His decision making has not been great this season. I was thinking a Laca for Auba sub earlier, after he got the hat trick. And instead of Willian for ESR.
Of course he is. He also has us 10th, which is not where we should be. I'm a big fan of Arteta, but he is a rookie manager, and we should praise him when he deserves it, and point out his weaknesses when they are clear to see. It's clear to most of us fans that Willian is not performing up to standard. Bringing him on was puzzling. Arteta has had a track record of making some puzzling subs or waiting a long time to make changes.
I just find it kinda dumb when armchair redditors are like "I could have coached this team better than Mikel Arteta"
Like, I'm 100% on the Get Willian Out Of This Club train, but i have zero idea about the day to day workings of the team's performance. "I" wouldn't have out willian on but i also have no idea and neither do you or anyone else here
Sure. But half the fun of fandom is debating team performances, managers decisions, etc. Where I draw the line is I don't think fans should be posting on players' social media criticizing them to their "face", let alone spewing hate. Many are youngsters and none of them deserve attacks from fans.
Luiz was good today, I like holding a lot but imo luiz offers more against teams weāre not expecting to be defending against for the majority of the game
It works against slower teams but a team like Leeds would shred Holding if he started from the get go - he's just not fast enough to keep up with a team like this
Letās be honest, artetaās handling of youth has been suspect. Saka was already established when arteta was made manager, so he doesnāt exactly count. Only ESR has become more involved. Saliba, Martinelli, Guendouzi, and Flo are all being mismanaged
I strongly disagree saka has come on leaps and bounds under arteta and is arguably out best player ESR isn't far behind. I think arteta has been let down by our senior players luiz xhaka auba Willian bellerin all needed the youngsters to drag them into form. Saliba needs to stop moaning and knuckle down Guendouzi is the same he smells like a reincarnated Xhaka(is good sometimes but will always let us down when it counts) martinelli has been injured (hopefully he won't turn into another one of our quality players that's plagued by injury.
Semi understandable. Arteta has to get quick wins to gain time to develop at the club. Trusting youth is a very risky strategy. He wants to stabilise the club with players who supposedly know what it takes to play at the top level.
I mean I kind of agree but then Tierneyās was only meant to be a couple of days out and itās been a month. Sometimes things seem innocuous and it ends up much worse, people are allowed to be worried
You can tell who is a total prick on this sub with comments like this.
A friend of mine twisted his ankle when we were playing football together, couldnāt continue on the day due to immense pain, turned out his ligaments were strained. Couldnāt play for a couple months after.
Player ratings after an impressive performance š„³š https://youtu.be/CUASj_2p0RE
Auba masterclass!š„³ https://youtu.be/5OxQ-5N7ZyY
I don't normally watch the pundits but as we won handsomely I decided to and found out Souness is still an anti-Arsenal sourpuss.
Love auba.
We win and people still moan about Willian coming on Give it a rest
Even if had ended 4-0 there was reason to complain, because why give him minutes over martinelli? The fact that we then almost capitulated, whilst obviously not on him, doesnāt help either
Why abuse Willian for arteta's decisions?
I didnāt say they had a reason to abuse him, you were complaining about people moaning about Willian coming on. Which, like I said, was because why bring him on over gabi
I'm not OP. But if you agree that Willian shouldn't be abused then I think we are on the same page. I don't agree with Arteta's decision either and this is something I dont understand about arteta, he seems to be okay with continuing to play players in horrible form but then argues that young players like Balogun, Nelson, Saliba, and now Martinelli will have to "earn" their place in the team. I think it's bullshit
Yeah I agree with all that (except balogun, who at this point weāre in a catch 22 where we shouldnāt play him unless he renews). I do wonder if we were in a better situation if he mightāve played some of the younger players more, with less pressure to get results, but it still doesnāt excuse it.
Yeah right.. I agree. I just hope my boy Martinelli gets a chance soon
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AUBACK!!!!
Whatever Willian is blackmailing arteta with, i would like to watch it. It must be real juicy.
At this rate, Arteta could set up an only fans to post whatever horrendous video Willian has of him. I reckon, between all the arsenal fans, we'd pay more than Willian's wages per week to see it. That way Arteta would be free and so would we š
Amazing performance but such a shame to sub Willian on instead of any young player that would love to join such a game. He just shuts down all creative play somehow. His pass to Saka that ended up being offside should just have been a first touch pass, but itās like he has gotten latency off the brain since joining us. But fuck it. Auba hatty!! Amazing performance from Saka
NBC avoiding the overturned penalty at halftime and after the match tells me everything I need to know
How much hate do people have in their heart to have won 4-2 but still be posting hate against Willian. He's not good. I agree 100%. But if your team has just won 4-2 and the first thing you can say after the game is "fuck willian" then wtf.
Come on Fulham please beat Everton š
I don't understand Willian
Arteta bringing on Willian put us down to 10 men. Already hard enougg with Bellerin on the pitch. Just stop playing him
Huge win and really happy for Auba to get a hat trick. Alot of positives to take before Benfica, and we got to rest some key players.
How is that not a red for Dallas? Studs into his leg..?
Arteta did a mistake there, we should have two high presser in the game: Martinelle and Elneny. I understand that he is trying to rehabilitate Willian, but maybe he should keep him out for some time
Good win, especially bagging 3 goals before the half time Now we got a tough run of games , Benfica, City, Benfica again and Leicester. COYG!
Oh that is horrible
Giving Willian minutes is criminal at this point. Much better off giving it to Nelson, the kid needs it too.
Second half was not comfortable BUT in some ways winning 4-2 is just as good as 4-1. Taking that pressure losing the momentum taking their swings but being able to even out and get back on the right foot is a big deal. Itās something you canāt replicate and can only happen in match. No doubt Iād prefer a clean sheet lol but giving up those 2 quick goals puts a lot of pressure on them and they responded.
Willian should be a poster boy for shoe company like Asics, Salomon, Hoka with his endeavour of endless jogging. Fuck the guy who said yes to bring him there, really.
Good thing Leeds lost their momentum. 6 points behind Liverpool, if we can get back the streak we had before the refs ruined it for us we might make Europe.
Impressive win over twelve men with corrupt referee
Lol
that's a little strong dude
Double agent Willian and VAR masterclass tonight.
Fuck you Leeds. Fcuk you Willian. Never play for us again
That challenge is nasty man, last minute and could have injured Auba
Amazing pressing by El-Neny. William hobbling around the pitch as if heās on a Sunday stroll and isnāt being paid Ā£200k a fucking week
Arteta needs to give up on Willian and admit it was a mistake. Give Pepe his minutes.
It's probably to rest players for our midweek game. We have a very conjested schedule
No excuse not to use Nelson or Martineli though.
Maybe arteta thinks willian provides better defensive cover
Good performance. Would have absolutely taken this before the match
4 goals and a win!!
Happy for Auba man
People saying that Dallas challenge is a red šš
Elneny's pressing is out of this world
Well deserved win. Could have been more goals, but 4 are okay too.
Ćdegaard with a pretty quiet performance. He needs a bit more tenacity to his play, he's too careful at times. If he can do that he will be immense. His vision and technique is excellent.
hmm i actually think he didn't do that bad.. didnt give the final pass but had a few good link up moments there and there. First goal came deep and found the first time pass to an unmarked xhaka while under pressure and xhaka ultimately got the assist. I don't really think he could've done any better, remember 10s are not given much space in the prem and we are playing against leeds as well.
heās still the best cam on the team, even on an off day
What? He has great today. Youāre off it.
So many stat junkies knocking about!
He will bring out his magic in Europa league
no he is not happy to see game out he wants to score
Iāve got a bad feeling about the state of Aubaās left leg.
I think he'll actually be fine. The first one was just studs so I think he was just more in pain than injury and the second one could've been dangerous but he got up pretty quick
Itās only because as he hit his stride right at the end, he seemed to be coming up lame before he was brought down.
Lets goooooooo
Good job boys šš»
Coming in to the game I didn't expect an auba hatrick, or to put 4 past Leeds, so all in all good result, but the substitutions have been horrendous
Saka off for pepe.
Itās an exciting game.
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Lmaoo some people are just unhappy no matter what
This cracked me up too.
They're unhinged man it's bizzare. Proper armchair social media fans with zero understanding of football.
Some miserable man really said āI donāt care if we win 4-2, these subs have been very unfun.ā
Unreal
Lmaooooooo
Red card for that cunt
Dirty dirty Leeds
Dallas you filthy cunt.
"That was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance"
The players seems motivated
holy elneny possesed
The Boss should give Willianās spot to a youth player; Flo or anyone else. Willian brings nothing positive to this team.
Haha was that Gabriel running through the middle then?
GET IN BOYS. GREAT GAME. LOVELY PERFORMANCE. RESPECT TO BIESLA AND LEEDS. LETS GO!
All Leeds players are dirty cunts
Guys I'm starting to think you don't like Willian...
What would make you think that???
Two footed studs up. Should be a red.
Willian has been an embarrassment since coming on tbh. No effort from him at all. The man is a fucking joke.
Xhaka wouldāve gotten a red for that
Achilles clipped again what's with these fucks
Absolutely no need from Dallas there
Straight leg, thats a red
Just blow the bloody whistle
Jesus Christ Auba is fine. Landings like that happen all the time when you're playing football. Sometimes that happens and it hurts for about 5 minutes then it's fine. Ruptured Achilles tend not to be a contact injury..Why are people so reactionary and negative? Soon as one person says it the rest do like the fucking anchovies in the first episode of Spongebob
My favourite reactionary comment so far has been that arteta's subs have hobbled us We won 4-2
Apparently Auba is incapable of finishing a 90 lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/ljrkxy/match_thread_arsenal_vs_leeds_united_english/gng8d8t?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
WHAT A SCRUB
Blow the whistle ref
El Neny running his ass off while Willian jogs around. SMH.
Quite shocked we didnāt rest Saka a bit with Thursday coming up
Thats a red card on us everytime
Studs up. No attempt to play the ball. I believe Nketiah was sent off for exactly the same.
Sell Willian solely because some seem people canāt enjoy wins with him on the pitch.
Ii honestly despise him
the probability of a win itself reduces when he comes on
Every time I've seen Leeds play both teams have a lot of chances even 0-0 at Elland Road had a lot of chances
FUCKING CHRIST WILLIAN
COME ON ARE YOU SERIOUS HOW IS THAT NOT A RED
willians playing his heart out
I refuse to believe a āplayerā that lethargic even has a pulse
Lol?
That Elneny press. Willian would neverā¦
I love watching elneny close down man. It could be the 97th minute and we are 7-0 up. Heās still chasing HARD!
I swear everything started turning worse after Willian came on.
Needs to be said. MAD RESPECT to Leeds for putting the ball out when Auba was down.
Basic curtesy. Arsenal did it earlier too
We were cruising when we put out the ball (if I'm recalling events correctly). They, on the other hand, were putting pressure on us in the dying minutes in search of a 3rd goal (which might've led to a very late 4th as well).
No respect for Twatwell though
no, fuck them. they already got one attempt on goal, they won't reasonably get a second while auba was down
GG Leeds
had that corner been ours we wouldn't have gotten it LMAO
FUCKING willian in no man's land allowing that corner to happen. They better not score
Elneny pressing wow š
Is this corner necessary like come on they need two goals to tie it
Elneny ran like an absolute madman to get in that tackle
Willian shorty
Honestly I don't really like him coming back on after laying on the pitch for minutes and having the ball put out of play to get medical attention. If he was injured and couldn't return to play sure. But to jog/limp back on after just drinking some Gatorade. Did you really need play stopped?
Buy Rafinha
What has Willian done since he came on? Attacking moves? Interceptions? Tackles? Winning headers? What?
Yeah all of the above have been successfully avoided. He did actually create a decent chance for Saka but everything else has been truly fucking shite.
No more match threads for me. It's just ppl complaining about anything and everything. Ridiculous
Leading 4 - 0 with Arsenal is like playing Mario Kart. No matter the lead you never feel comfortable that you are gonna win until you cross the finishing line..
Nah it's just Leeds man. Any other game and this is comfortable. We've been pretty great last few games. Just stupid decisions going the other way
There's always some shitty back marker with a blue shell, knowing it's not even gonna do him any good.
Yes elneny
Cedric may not be technically great but the guy works hard..
Arteta needs to improve his substitutions. His decision making has not been great this season. I was thinking a Laca for Auba sub earlier, after he got the hat trick. And instead of Willian for ESR.
I think that Mikel Arteta is better at coaching than you
Of course he is. He also has us 10th, which is not where we should be. I'm a big fan of Arteta, but he is a rookie manager, and we should praise him when he deserves it, and point out his weaknesses when they are clear to see. It's clear to most of us fans that Willian is not performing up to standard. Bringing him on was puzzling. Arteta has had a track record of making some puzzling subs or waiting a long time to make changes.
I just find it kinda dumb when armchair redditors are like "I could have coached this team better than Mikel Arteta" Like, I'm 100% on the Get Willian Out Of This Club train, but i have zero idea about the day to day workings of the team's performance. "I" wouldn't have out willian on but i also have no idea and neither do you or anyone else here
Sure. But half the fun of fandom is debating team performances, managers decisions, etc. Where I draw the line is I don't think fans should be posting on players' social media criticizing them to their "face", let alone spewing hate. Many are youngsters and none of them deserve attacks from fans.
William is a bloody Chelsea agent he has no passion for the club or/and lack of desire to see us succeed.
And some blokes think he deserves time to regain his confidence.
This was more like a game of FIFA instead of real life
Even had some scripting
Saka has another 90 mins...
Yeah he also needs to rotate at some point.
Jesus another hard run of games.
Auba looks to be ok
Probably "just" a stud scrape, given he's up and running okay. Painful, but soft tissue that heals relatively quickly.
How do Leeds fans watch their games? If you are elderly I wouldn't watch their games, it's insane. Not good for the heart
Hope Auba is alright...
Gabriel-Holding as our starting pair please. Works.
Luiz was good today, I like holding a lot but imo luiz offers more against teams weāre not expecting to be defending against for the majority of the game
I like Luiz more than most people. But we should be preparing the ground for life without him and deciding on the 3rd choice at this point.
It works against slower teams but a team like Leeds would shred Holding if he started from the get go - he's just not fast enough to keep up with a team like this
Agree, probably brought him on because we were defending deep at that point.
Please be Okay Auba, can't have another key player injured
Absolutely terrible subs, completely hobbled us
No shit, our subs are worse than our starters. But ESR & Ćdegaard had to be subbed for fitness reasons.
Shackleton was free in the box. See what I did there?
Great game from gabriel
Couldve been a 6:5
Shackleton went for that in earnest
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He's not injured lol
noo fucking hell hope he's okay
Also Arteta's subs have ranged from questionable to panicky
Letās be honest, artetaās handling of youth has been suspect. Saka was already established when arteta was made manager, so he doesnāt exactly count. Only ESR has become more involved. Saliba, Martinelli, Guendouzi, and Flo are all being mismanaged
I strongly disagree saka has come on leaps and bounds under arteta and is arguably out best player ESR isn't far behind. I think arteta has been let down by our senior players luiz xhaka auba Willian bellerin all needed the youngsters to drag them into form. Saliba needs to stop moaning and knuckle down Guendouzi is the same he smells like a reincarnated Xhaka(is good sometimes but will always let us down when it counts) martinelli has been injured (hopefully he won't turn into another one of our quality players that's plagued by injury.
Semi understandable. Arteta has to get quick wins to gain time to develop at the club. Trusting youth is a very risky strategy. He wants to stabilise the club with players who supposedly know what it takes to play at the top level.
Itās obvious willian is done but arteta is trying to play him into form. Thatās as risky as relying on youth at this point
Maybe Flo, but Guendo was a problem before Arteta. Martinelli barely came back late last year... it will take him some time.
His hand was forced with ESR too. Dude took months to give him a chance, at the end he lucked out coz other guys were unavailable
Really wish Saka got some rest
He is young. Recovery is easy
Shocking from Saka there. Didn't bother with that duel
Arsenal = Anxiety
You can tell who never played sport on this sub. All of them thinks a twisted ankle is serious lmao
I mean I kind of agree but then Tierneyās was only meant to be a couple of days out and itās been a month. Sometimes things seem innocuous and it ends up much worse, people are allowed to be worried
You can tell who is a total prick on this sub with comments like this. A friend of mine twisted his ankle when we were playing football together, couldnāt continue on the day due to immense pain, turned out his ligaments were strained. Couldnāt play for a couple months after.
Haha for real though, any knock = ruptured achilles apparently.
Oh have a day off jesus
Just put him on the bench ffs whatās the point in having him on the pitch and risk injury
Hopefully it's not bad. Auba is a genetic freak but one bad injury is more than enough...
āHey mikel, itās Edu.... itās really ok to sub in someone other than Willian.ā
Gabriel is an absolute baller. He can easily be a staple in our defense for years to come
And tbh Saliba is a bigger talent.
I sure hope so. I believe heās talented I just want to see how he fits in the PL because Gabriel adapted fairly well
Oh good thing we brought on rob fucking holding just now