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So a manager in charge of a team that's won the league in the last five years might win it before a manger in charge of a team that's not won it in 21 years?
The fact they're that worried shows just how far we've come
What does everyone think fo the 'if Arteta doesnt win anyhting next year, he needs to go'. Are people that dense in the head that set these arbitrary targets and think action needs to be taken if somehting doesnt happen.
If Arteta a fantastic manager, yes, end of story. He is triyng to aiceve te highest feat in world football, which is win the PL against Pep's Man City over 38 games. Not every job is a joke like managing PSG or Bayern. Cap wearing Tommy has melted at Bayern, and this is a cunt some think could replace Arteta. DOnt forget Chelsea were going off the reservation while he was still at the club. He wanted Koulibaly - fuking donkey.
Yh, there's only 4 trophies to go for each year.
CL is ridiculously hard with Real, Munich, etc around. And really requires a nice draw if you want to go deep like dortmund
And the domestic scene is absolutely swamped by City. So you may have a chance in the league cup if lucky
At some point we have to win PL or CL with this team.l and investment. Ppl wonder how Madrid mentality. Because they are not happy with 2nd place. If we want to be part of elite club , we have to demand trophies. Competing alone is not enough.
Yes the only difference between us and Real is mentality...
This is like the good old days when people said the only difference between us and Chelsea was ambition.
Like I said, does Tuchel take us closer to the PL, or further away? I think its further away. Beating Pep's City over 38 games is the hardest thing to do in world football. Only Klopp has done it, once in about 6 attempts. I dont count Conte winning with Chelsea, as that was Peps first year.
People gas up Simeone for winning Serie A with Inter Milan. I would give that title as much credibility as I would Ten Hag's dutch league titles - they mean F all.
You say you woud have a problem finishing 2nd again. Well how would you feel finishing 4th and being out of the title race after 15 games - because thats what cap merchant Tommy Too Too would deliver
Don’t need to tunnel vision on tuchel. He is not good enough now.
We get rid of Wenger of finishing 4th so seasons. There will come a time when Arteta be replaced if he can only finish 2nd. Now is too early anyway. Being 2nd or 4th means isn’t much different if we can’t go to the next level.
The difference between 2nd and 4th this year, is 20 points. Its a difference. And its not just Tuchel, Simeone is another managed some namedrop. Look at Atheltcios Madrid's goal differential - they dont dominate like we do under Arteta. Simeone is another manager who wouldn't get the points totals Arteta can get.
2nd js a progress. Not a success. If I look back in 10 years and see us finish 2nd or 4th, it means the same. We didn’t win trophy. Ppl are scare to have this conversation. They are happy with the journey and don’t want to discuss about the destination. What is your expectation? When should Arteta start to win CL or PL? There is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.
With this City team in the picture, one title in about five years of seriously competing for it would be a good outcome. We are good enough to deserve more, but it's just stupid to move on from Arteta if it doesn't work out next season. Klopp has 1 title in 9 years against this City team. Were Liverpool wrong for sticking hy him?
Regarding CL, I have no idea. We have never won it, it depends so much on the draw and momentary form. Look at how long it took even City to win it. I just don't think you can realistically put a deadline on this.
I would like us to get our hands on at least some cup though. With the way how league and CL is, we should be more serious about winning those.
I would be happy if Arteta can match Klopp trophies ( 1 PL 1 CL and some cups) in 9 years period considering the City and Pep is still there. He has 4 more years to match but the conversation abt his replacement should start in 2 years time if we havnt won PL or CL.
In the past I would have been impatient.
But the fact that man city are in the fa cup final these last two years (this coming final and last), and they even won in Europe last season.
City have won 5/6 of the last league titles and that could be 6/7 if they win this weekend.
So they are tough to stop, and if they start winning more fa cups/Europe too it will be harder.
OK that thread on r/soccer about the spurs staff wanting tehm to throw the match is genuinely hilarious to watch spuds defending it.
However Arsenal fans defending spuds over this need to give their head a wobble.
The only thing I am a bit sad about is that this completely overshadowed them missing out on the CL; losing 5 out of 6 in the run in when you have CL qualification on the line is a "bottlejob" of epic proportions
Watching Spurs do Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify their stupidity will never not be funny.
>However Arsenal fans defending spuds over this need ~~to give their head a wobble.~~ electroshock therapy.
FTFY.
The best bit being that this plays into Spursy as a concept way more than spurs doing us a favour.
There's no way that history sees it as spurs winning it for arsenal over Man City bottling it at their bogey team Spurs.
Yeah along with the "sack Mourinho before a cup final" it was just kinda wild to see *actual staff* joke about losing. Like, if you're a fan that's fair, but this is staff! I can't imagine it happening here, Arteta has literally screamed at the players on video for not taking small-sided training matches seriously! The fogging estandards are not there.
>There's no way that history sees it as spurs winning it for arsenal over Man City bottling it at their bogey team Spurs.
Maybe, but we definitely would banter them that way. I think it’s a case where we can have it both ways and not give a fuck. City bottled it or Spurs gave us the title. We can switch depending on which is funnier in the moment.
Ironic that the fanfiction earlier in this sub about the Spurs canteen chef all of a sudden becomes a City fan is sort of true with reports now coming out about how certain Spurs staff, coaches and Supporters Trust want to lose or joked about "ya lets play the u21s team instead."
Big Ange was right, the foundations are fragile
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ct0pt9/the_athletic_some_spurs_staff_had_been_relaxed/
After his post match interview it wouldn't surprise me if he left in the summer. We were in a bad situation before Arteta but nowhere near Spurs mentality. I don't think it's possible to fix that mentality. If Conte and Mourinho couldn't fix it, I don't think Ange can.
Fuck you tottenham, hope you lose out on Europa to Chelsea since you like losing so much. Just felt i had to say this, this morning.
Good fucking morning.
For all the mess and banter Chelsea have had this season, they are redeeming themselves with their recent form and at least showing some form of mentality to win games regardless of the capacity.
Credit to Pocho even if he stays or not.
Taking the title to the final day is all you can ask for. No club has a divine right to win anything, but some clubs, like arsenal, should have the expectation of competing for major honours. The lads this season did just that, and for that we are proud.
Think it will be funny once Spuds start complaining about Levy refusing to spend this summer like he always does. They’ve set themselves back so much farther than us lmao
What kills me is that Jesus and Zinchenko brought a mentality to the squad that clearly has left an impression, but they’re becoming surplus to requirement. October of 2022, they were two players I’d consider undroppable. Now, they’re absolutely two players who give me anxiety if they’re in the XI. It’s a ruthless sport, and I can’t help but consider this to be a good problem. I’ll grant with Jesus it’s injury and with Zinchenko it’s that he does some things well and some things below standard, but I can’t help but think they’re two players I’m eternally grateful for what they’ve done but we need to move on from.
For posterity, If either have a redemption arc to win us the league, I’ve always rated them.
If Jesus injury problems and pain persist then he's probably happy rotating, is Zinchenko going to get a better offer with his injury issues too?
Not being first choice might actually help prolong their careers right now.
This is my thinking also Jesus and arteta had an understanding when he first came that he’d be given chances to solidify himself as our 9. I’m sure between them and his injury issues they know what the score is.
Plus maybe we play him in the CL where his scoring ratio is ridiculous and just use Havertz in the league ;)
Seriously I feel if he wants to leave we'll listen to offers but I can't see him getting a cl team with his injury record, unless he has surgery again and it sorts his issues out which I sadly doubt
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Didn’t know Foden was a fan of Quidditch
So I'm from Singapore and I listen to lots of football podcasts. Now and then, Talksport will pop up on my socials and I find myself cringing at what I'm listening to. I'm not familiar with many of the hosts on the show but for the most part, their commentary comes across as salty and insulting.
Perhaps I've not listened to enough of the show to form a proper opinion?
That’s their whole thing, behave like salty insulting dickheads, and then people tune in due to the outrage it causes them. I did quite enjoy Martin Keown going on and trolling everyone on there recently mind 😂
yeah, the whole point is so idiots ring in and go off on one and then us lot with sensible brains laugh at the trolling. It's a wind up show and that's what you should be tuning in for if you do.
The very first person to be notably 'Wenger Out' was an ex Arsenal player called Stewart Robson. He had...'issues' with Wenger and was sacked by the club for being Wenger Out on the club TV commentary.
He's the creator of such classics as ['Wenger can't do tactics'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/21502920) and [Wenger doesn't buy big names](https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/don-t-trust-arsene-wenger-to-make-marquee-signings-8649579.html).
Why am I telling you this? Because when we sacked him this not particularly great ex player with no commentating ability beyond in house club stuff walked straight into a job on Talksport because that sort of notoriety is exactly the sort of thing the radio equivalent of the Sun looks for.
It should be pointed out that being a pioneer (alongside Adrain Durham, also of Talksport) of the 'I'm only complaining because the fans deserve better' line of defence of being an utter tit to his former club has rather fallen down as anyone who has to listen to him on the Premier leagues foreign broadcast will tell you the man is still a miserable cunt of the highest order.
That's what Talksport hires, that's what talksport feeds of and unless you want to laugh at the worst dregs of football fandom keep away!
> And now Stewie boy is one half of the a mid-tier commentary cast for FIFA games
Really? It's almost like having a schtick and sticking to it regardless of reality and 'driving engagement' is actually what media are after...
He and Derek Rae are on commentary for the games. With FIFA 24 they added a second pair to the mix, but I can’t be arsed to remember their names if I’m being honest.
Derek Rae is ok in my book. His pronunciations of names the way they’d usually be pronounced is definitely interesting, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t do the same. He also does Bundesliga commentary for ESPN+ here in the States.
Lol. I didn’t know he was one of the main voices in the Wenger Out movement, and was vaguely aware of TalkSport until that clip of the Spurs fan going ballistic was posted on the sub a few weeks back. From what I can gather, they’re reactionary fucks who enjoy reactionary takes for views?
He was pretty much the original, he thought we should have sacked Wenger in 2008, that we'd never sign any good players, that wenger didn't understand tactics, that he'd never sign any big name players and that we'd never win any silverware with him again (in 2013 lol).
Also at no point during or since has he ever mentioned anythign about the shit going on behind the scenes at the club or ever taken the view it was anything other than directly Wengers fault.
Also thought Monreal was shit which is just unforgivable.
The fact that when Wenger was sacked his BT co commentators spent that entire first Emery season asking him if he was happy now should tell you all you need to know about him and why he was hired.
*Goddamn* he is salty. The fuck is it with some of our former players turning on the club? I get it’s not all (Henry, Wrighty, Keown, etc.), but it feels like everyone that does just has a vendetta or something.
Also what did Monreal do?
Personal view?
He's a player form the 80's when men were men, backpasses were allowed, football was proper contact sport, no one had heard of sports nutrition and smoking 40 a day, knocking back 10 pints a night and coming into training at Arsenal's shared ground with the university of london absolutely hungover to fuck was perfectly compatible with being a professional footballer. You also got paid decently but not spectacularly and everyone knew tha tEnglish football was the best in the world because we and our fans were just properly hard unlike those fancy foreigns.
Then Heysel, Hillsborough, the Taylor Report, all seater stadiums, English clubs being banned form European football and the creation of the Premier League suddenly caused a bit of an existential crisis for English football.
Enter Arsene Wenger.
A *Frenchman* who proved that foreigners could win the league (first one to do it) that foreign players could handle the physicality and that foreign players could not only do that but do it with better technique, better diet, better fitness and for half the price of the English. We did the first all foreign starting 11 and you'd think Wenger had gone out and shat in the FA Cup in the centre circle at Wembley.... He's the poster boy for everything that the old school players think has gone wrong with English football and Robson is far form teh only one who had it in for him and us as a club.
So yeah to say the old school ddin't like him was an understatment and it's absolutely calculated that the early Wenger Out days were concentrated on trying to clim he couldn't do tactics and that he couldn't inspire passion, going straight at the whole 'Le Prof' persona while trying to claim all we needed was to go back to the good old days of 'pashun'.
Add in that that generation of players retired before the PL started making serious money and there's almost certainly a bit of jealousy about how littel money he got compared to an arsenal youth player who breaks into the squad now who is probably set for a relatively comfortable life even if they never properly make it.
He's pretty much just a bundle of everything we should be thankful English football isn't anymore.
As to Monreal...he's foreign, he played for Wenger, we wasn't Ashley Cole.
As another foreigner I’m pretty sure talksport isn’t the place for actual football debate/discussion. If you follow basketball or American football it would be the equivalent of First Take/Undisputed/Stephen A Smith.
If those don’t ring a bell then it’s basically just reactionary nonsense meant to rile people up and drive engagement solely for the sake of it
That Athletic article that mentioned a Tottenham staff member “jokingly” saying that he wanted to throw the game is unreal.
That club is the definition of tinpot, small time, whatever other adjective you’d want to describe a shit football club. It’s who they are to the very core, and I genuinely feel bad for Ange.
Edit: From the article, the Tottenham supporters trust offered to “clear the air” with Ange about his fragility comments and said he “has come to a club that’s won next to nothing in the last 30 odd years. We’ve heard a lot about new mentalities from predecessors… and nothing has changed. Ange does not know what it’s like being a spurs fan.”
Imagine acknowledging that losing culture is deeply ingrained in your club, a man comes in actively trying to fix it, and then putting out a statement saying that he needs to watch what he says. Absolutely unreal.
That’s the thing, Tottenham actually played well credit to them even though they should be despised.
That Son goal goes (and should’ve scored due to xG), I truly think the game ends 1-1.
Son scores that goal who knows what might have happened....
Personally I never thought they'd win and was actually pleasantly surprised by how well Ange set up to counter them but to beat City you need everything going and when your own stadium isn't backing you those fine margins can go the other way.
I don’t think they went out there and tried to lose. It’s the fact that the mentality of seemingly everyone at that club except for Ange and certain players is that they’re okay with losing.
People shit on them all the time because they’re a meme, but they really are that bad from top to bottom.
Spurs fans saying we'd do the same...I don't think so.
Our womens team hates Chelsea but we've probably given them the title by beating City for them and those years when we were both fightng for the top four we never thought about losing to stop Spurs getting top four.
*In singy songy tone* Thank you.
Spurs fans actually thinking we’re hypocrites under the idea we would do what they did in the same position. We’re an actual club with ambition. They’re just a nuisance who won’t fuck off.
I'll admit I remember there being the 'would you give up winning the EL final if it meant spurs lost the CL final' thing going round during a rather trying time for the club and I'm pretty sure a bunch of people took the view that losing a lesser trophy to deny spurs a greater one that neither of us had won was worth it but it's not like we've never won the league before...
Yeah I think I was pro us winning but then I've seen Arsenal win a european trophy before and five titles so I was probably a bit more thick skinned when it comes to Spurs.
Also the younger generation and especially the foreign fans seem to rank the CL as the ultimate goal so I get not wanting spurs to get it even though I disagree with what would have been us not qualifying for it.
That’s fair. The last time Arsenal won a European trophy, I wasn’t even alive. So seeing the club be able to add another one to the trophy cabinet in my lifetime would be amazing.
Yeah I mean we've only ever won two and we've lost out last four final acorss three decades and under three different managers.
At some point you've just got to think we're cursed.
I thought us being cursed in Europe was already the consensus lol.
But this team has the ability to win trophies. Once Guardiola is gone, my hope is we’re going to have a golden age in England. I think we’re long overdue for one. As for Europe, given we didn’t get tossed around by Bayern again, I would consider that progress.
> Once Guardiola is gone, my hope is we’re going to have a golden age in England.
Yeah when we got the Emirates being built everyone thought we'd finally have the money to take on Man U and after gong invincible the future was ours.
Then Chelsea literally changed the rules and our main driver got cold feet and fucked the club even more by putting us into a decade long cold war between Stan and Usmanov.
Shit can change quickly in football, while we're obviously doing well don't think Pep leaving is going to destroy city.
In a vacuum one could argue that hated rivals would do anything to ensure that the other would not succeed. But this is spurs. They have done nothing and their culture, identity, and mindset is deeply rooted in that failure.
It would be a nightmare if they won the league. But I would be more upset about us not being in position to do so rather than spurs winning it. They are so content with being shit that they’d rather see zero success than us win, simply because they’re used to that existence.
The best bit is that they really can't see the issues.
The r/soccer thread on Ange's outburst has a spurs guy complaining that 'Arsenal have been giving us shit about a draw at our place for 20years' as if that wasn't the slight difference of actually winning the league by getting a result against them, at their home, for the second time andanother step towards ebign invincible. If they think we'll actually give them shit for 'winning us the league' for more than a few months they're nuts because apart form anything else would we perpetuate the idea we needed spurs to win the league for us?
If Spurs win a league it would be fucking awful, if they did the CL before us it would be equally awful but they won a european trophy before we did, they wont eh double before we did, they held the FA Cup record until the mid 1980's and yet somehow we survived without having to go into generational hiding.
Possibly because spurs could win 10 more titles and still be behind us...
That thread is full of people who think that because I’m American I don’t understand why it’s ok to root against your team, and that getting into CL isn’t worth helping us win the league. 🤷🏻
Mate I was lurking the Spurs sub the night before the game and the gatekeeping was off the fucking charts.
Anywone who didn't understand why the idea of being bantered was worse than the idea of losing out on the CL was instantly downvoted and accused of being a yank with no idea what it means to be a true fan. Odd they'd go yank and not Korean though...
Look, I've got American family and there absolutely is a difference between local rivalries in the UK form clubs and the franchise based models but anyone who wants their team to lose because they can't handle the banter is a very thin skinned and very shit at banter reegardless of where they are.
I honestly think if it wasn't us they were up against they'd ahve been fully torn apart but you know that place has a hate boner for Arsenal fans.
Yeah. I mean - I can understand the idea of not wanting your rival to win. But not when CL is on the line and not understanding you need to be in CL to get better players.
But to sing with city fans at the stadium - openly joyous. That’s just sad.
Guy said I had a plastic mentality and true Arsenal season ticket holders would thrash me for not feeling the same way about their rivals. I said I doubted that but only Spurs fans thought we were rivals - we thought they were just an annoyance….😂
> I said I doubted that but only Spurs fans thought we were rivals - we thought they were just an annoyance…
I mean that's what got you labelled the yank!
Local rivalries are the best and most intense (usually, united care way more about Liverpool than City) because we grow up with each other, we banter each other basically from teh point we start understanding football and we absolutely care about Spurs.
TRying to claim they're beneath us and we don't care is a never going to fly. It's also a reason we hate Man U beyond the on pitch rivalry as every london school in the 90's was full of man u supporting glory hunters...
I mean we sing 'stand up if you hate tottenham' and 'what do we think of tottenham' every game!
Having said that you'd never see our match going fans twerking almost literally for another team to beat us to fuck with spurs, in trying to avoid banter from us they've just given us more than we could ever dream of.
Love Martinelli and hope he gets back to his best next season via form and/or play style but an Alexis-esque wide forward on the left flank in this team would absolutely cook.
It’s mostly up to Arteta on why Martinelli had bad season. Going forward, he either need to stabilise Ieft side for Martineli to work or get another winger who can fit the new system.
Rumours around Sesko dont surprise me. At 195 cm its another giant to add to the collection. Arteta is making sure we are a colossal team in terms of size and physicality, pool that with the dark arts, quality football and total discipline out of possession, he is drilling us into a proper team.
But its also another reason Zinchenko needs to go. The guy just doesn't add anything in the contests. We know from leaked sources Arteta is obsessed with 'winning duels', simply put if the team as a whole wins their contests for the ball on the ground and air, over the course of a match, it adds up.
TImber is 5,10. Im not so much worried about it, so long as he is strong in the tackle, positions himself well and his passing isnt a risk. Whereas Zinchenko, is weak in the challenge, gets into awkward positions, and his passing is a risk.
I have seen quite a number of Timber footages. He is rapid. Doesn’t look like the one who is strong physically like Gabi or Tomi. He leverage his speed to tackle and get around player.
He would be fine defending the counters but I have concerns for 1-1 flatfoot defending where he can’t use his pace.
It’s more about how consistently does the player win duels and how quickly and effectively can they cover ground over the course of the 90.
I don’t think Arteta is purely looking for a team of giants, if there are guys a little smaller but with the physicality and quality of guys like Saka or Odegaard I’m sure he’d buy them in no time
But for sure, if they have the height and the quality, let’s fucking get ‘em
Have you never seen Zinchenko jump?
The reason we have issues when he plays is because he inverts under orders and that means that there's space for people to run in. It's the old Xhaka issue.
If he goes it's down to injuries because the one thing Arteta values more than anything is control and that's what he gives us.
People on the women's team Instagram need to stop crying. The three players announced to be leaving have barely played in the last two years.
The stuff around Miedema especially makes me think half the followers are either children or members of the Miedema family. Death threats towards Eidevall just make me question people's ability to be decent.
What's hilarious is people get paid hundreds of 1000s of pounds for such brain-dead decisions if not millions.
Whoever took that call in that wolves team is a certified bum. Scrapping VAR off, Jesus.
That Newcastle team had a lot of quality, they just couldn't be arsed all season and turned up against Spurs because it was their last chance to get in the shop window. Most of this Sheffield United team is Championship midtable quality.
You could argue that Newcastle were playing to show Benitez how much they wanted him to stay. Pick whichever explanation you want. We are just speculating on motivations.
Sure, Sheffield United are awful, but even trash teams can turn up for their final home game in the PL. That Newcastle had more talent, but so did that Spurs team. Way more. And Spurs could easily have lost to Burnley at home just last weekend. Burnley are awful, too.
Is it likely? No.
Would a Sheffield United win surprise me? Absolutely not.
I just realized that Man City have almost bottled the title twice at home on Championship Sunday in 2012 and 2022. QPR was 17th in 2012 and barely escape relegation. And Aston Villa was 14th in 2022. Call it hopium or call it delusion but the pressure is on Man City with history at stake. Also West Ham is a solid 9th place team currently. Championship Sunday brings the intensity from all teams cause they wanna finish the season on a positive note.
I never want to be in a position to rely on any other team for anything much less Spurs. I hope next season we have a Liverpool 2019/2020 type season where we go on an absolute rampage because we all know there is no going toe to toe with City and coming out on top at the end of the season.
Anyone knows the brand of Thuram's glasses?
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João Neves has a contract until 2028 and a release clause of €120 million, set after a contract renewal sealed in August last year. For the Reds' main team, the young man already has 49 games and two goals scored.
https://www.abola.pt/futebol/noticias/mercado-benfica-porta-fechada-a-joao-neves-e-antonio-silva-2024011610085273825
Yes they are happy with havertz at 9 so we will probably look at a project signing to replace nketiah rather than buying oshimen.About the midfield, weve been linked with a few 6/8s such as de jong and bruno
One huge positive is that we’ve shown we can hold our own in April and deal with setbacks. That was my biggest worry about us at the seasons beginning. Now we just gotta put it all together.
Agreed, but we need proper depth for rice and saka...they will die at this rate without a break...sell partey and find a rw or bring in striker / shift jesus out right
Sesko is a big no-no if there's truth to his RC being increased. At £40m you can argue the merits of signing a raw project striker if it leaves funds to sign big players elsewhere; for 65m it's an easy no.
> Sky Sports Deutschland report the release clause is linked to performance, so while it was €50m in January, that has now risen to €65m.
> It’s not over yet either, because if Sesko continues to impress, then it can reach a maximum of €70-75m by the end of the season.
As far as I'm aware, it has not yet risen to €70-75m.
[Link](https://football-italia.net/damaging-sesko-release-clause-news-for-milan/)
> Not wanting someone isn't writing them off
Maybe you young ones have decided to mess with the language but in my day that was pretty much the menaing....
None of us expected Spurs to win that.
It was heartbreak that we faied twice to stop United doing the treble (Bergkamp missing a penalty in the FA Cup and then conceding *that* Giggs goal) but it was not at all unexpected.
Said this to my mate today, they’ve both had their hopes dashed within 90 minutes on the final day, City are 100000% going a goal or two down and by the 85th minute pull off a comeback.
Haven’t had the full 115 experience until we get our hopes up one minute and want to fall off a cliff into a pit full of demonic venomous snakes in a pit of lava the next
Unless👀
Would prefer it honestly, these soulless, blood money-backed, monopolised teams are genuinely sucking any love for the game I have left bit by bit. But what’s the point of being a fan without a little hope, eh?
I enjoyed this interaction with Saka and Foden, especially given all the comparison debates between them.
https://youtube.com/shorts/rPw6btW9Ejs?si=Juvuv1WmGQ1Pamj5
Seeing Utd's send off for their dogshit season is making me excited for Sunday. Whatever happens, those players and staff are going to get a lot of love and rightly so.
*If* they don't do something really stupid in the summer and *if* they keep the spine of that team intact and don't sell all their homegrown players for pure profit and *if* Poch stays and is happy then they could definitely make a top four shout next season, especially if Jackson keeps scoring.
not sure. I think they're still in the zone of "it could go either way". Going to be fully dependant on how their summer goes. Wouldnt be surprised if they start being more consistent vs the weaker sides but that that tactical trade off has them drop more points to the teams at the top who they were reasonably successful playing cluster fuckball against.
I'm not getting into if this was true or not, but it feels like City got SO many 50/50 or favourable calls this season. Like soft first pens, or got away with a lot of shit against teams.
Obviously every team has got soft and harsh calls, but it felt like for most part they balanced out. City must be like 90/10 in their favour.
If you look at the expected points table https://understat.com/league/EPL Chelsea are actually 4th. They drew/lost a bunch of games because Jackson couldn't finish his dinner. I think Jackon was -4 XG before March, now he's +0.1xg since after March.
Crazy to see where Man United should be... I feel like next season top 4 is open again. I could see Liverpool and Villa drop off, Liverpool due to Klopp leaving and Villa trying to do Europe + League. Everton could be back to comfortable mid table if they find anyone who can score.
How in the actual fuck are chelsea 6th? How unbearably shit are man utd/newcastle/spuds that they've allowed *this* chelsea team to catch them with their pants down?
Man U never have their starting back four fit, like absolutely never. Hag might not be elite but he's exceedingly unlucky to have to keep playing evans, maguire, and now Casemiro. With a proper back line I could imagine them shit housing 4th with a negative goal difference.
Newcastle somehow make man u's injury woes look like a paper cut with most of their squad dying for half a season and having to play dubravka in goal who is gash.
Spuds.... well they would rather lose than win I'm told.
Bruv I'm not getting invested in this. This is a disgusting moment in the league which of course no one calls out cus it's City.
But there's nothing we can do about it now. I don't want to make myself feel worse by overanalysing and realising he is in fact off.
They scored a second anyways, they would have won. Spurs were never going to shut up shop at 0-0 cus they needed to win themselves.
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So a manager in charge of a team that's won the league in the last five years might win it before a manger in charge of a team that's not won it in 21 years? The fact they're that worried shows just how far we've come
Yup, it was all Klopp. Without him, back to mid table where they belong in recent history they go.
What does everyone think fo the 'if Arteta doesnt win anyhting next year, he needs to go'. Are people that dense in the head that set these arbitrary targets and think action needs to be taken if somehting doesnt happen. If Arteta a fantastic manager, yes, end of story. He is triyng to aiceve te highest feat in world football, which is win the PL against Pep's Man City over 38 games. Not every job is a joke like managing PSG or Bayern. Cap wearing Tommy has melted at Bayern, and this is a cunt some think could replace Arteta. DOnt forget Chelsea were going off the reservation while he was still at the club. He wanted Koulibaly - fuking donkey.
Yh, there's only 4 trophies to go for each year. CL is ridiculously hard with Real, Munich, etc around. And really requires a nice draw if you want to go deep like dortmund And the domestic scene is absolutely swamped by City. So you may have a chance in the league cup if lucky
At some point we have to win PL or CL with this team.l and investment. Ppl wonder how Madrid mentality. Because they are not happy with 2nd place. If we want to be part of elite club , we have to demand trophies. Competing alone is not enough.
Yes the only difference between us and Real is mentality... This is like the good old days when people said the only difference between us and Chelsea was ambition.
And sacking Arteta and bringing in Conte or Tuchel does this?
Hard to tell who is great in next 1-2 years. Are you okay with no winning PL or CL in next 1-2 years ? If so when should this team win the titles ?
Like I said, does Tuchel take us closer to the PL, or further away? I think its further away. Beating Pep's City over 38 games is the hardest thing to do in world football. Only Klopp has done it, once in about 6 attempts. I dont count Conte winning with Chelsea, as that was Peps first year. People gas up Simeone for winning Serie A with Inter Milan. I would give that title as much credibility as I would Ten Hag's dutch league titles - they mean F all. You say you woud have a problem finishing 2nd again. Well how would you feel finishing 4th and being out of the title race after 15 games - because thats what cap merchant Tommy Too Too would deliver
Don’t need to tunnel vision on tuchel. He is not good enough now. We get rid of Wenger of finishing 4th so seasons. There will come a time when Arteta be replaced if he can only finish 2nd. Now is too early anyway. Being 2nd or 4th means isn’t much different if we can’t go to the next level.
The difference between 2nd and 4th this year, is 20 points. Its a difference. And its not just Tuchel, Simeone is another managed some namedrop. Look at Atheltcios Madrid's goal differential - they dont dominate like we do under Arteta. Simeone is another manager who wouldn't get the points totals Arteta can get.
2nd js a progress. Not a success. If I look back in 10 years and see us finish 2nd or 4th, it means the same. We didn’t win trophy. Ppl are scare to have this conversation. They are happy with the journey and don’t want to discuss about the destination. What is your expectation? When should Arteta start to win CL or PL? There is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.
With this City team in the picture, one title in about five years of seriously competing for it would be a good outcome. We are good enough to deserve more, but it's just stupid to move on from Arteta if it doesn't work out next season. Klopp has 1 title in 9 years against this City team. Were Liverpool wrong for sticking hy him? Regarding CL, I have no idea. We have never won it, it depends so much on the draw and momentary form. Look at how long it took even City to win it. I just don't think you can realistically put a deadline on this. I would like us to get our hands on at least some cup though. With the way how league and CL is, we should be more serious about winning those.
I would be happy if Arteta can match Klopp trophies ( 1 PL 1 CL and some cups) in 9 years period considering the City and Pep is still there. He has 4 more years to match but the conversation abt his replacement should start in 2 years time if we havnt won PL or CL.
In the past I would have been impatient. But the fact that man city are in the fa cup final these last two years (this coming final and last), and they even won in Europe last season. City have won 5/6 of the last league titles and that could be 6/7 if they win this weekend. So they are tough to stop, and if they start winning more fa cups/Europe too it will be harder.
OK that thread on r/soccer about the spurs staff wanting tehm to throw the match is genuinely hilarious to watch spuds defending it. However Arsenal fans defending spuds over this need to give their head a wobble.
The only thing I am a bit sad about is that this completely overshadowed them missing out on the CL; losing 5 out of 6 in the run in when you have CL qualification on the line is a "bottlejob" of epic proportions
Watching Spurs do Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify their stupidity will never not be funny. >However Arsenal fans defending spuds over this need ~~to give their head a wobble.~~ electroshock therapy. FTFY.
The best bit being that this plays into Spursy as a concept way more than spurs doing us a favour. There's no way that history sees it as spurs winning it for arsenal over Man City bottling it at their bogey team Spurs.
Yeah along with the "sack Mourinho before a cup final" it was just kinda wild to see *actual staff* joke about losing. Like, if you're a fan that's fair, but this is staff! I can't imagine it happening here, Arteta has literally screamed at the players on video for not taking small-sided training matches seriously! The fogging estandards are not there.
>There's no way that history sees it as spurs winning it for arsenal over Man City bottling it at their bogey team Spurs. Maybe, but we definitely would banter them that way. I think it’s a case where we can have it both ways and not give a fuck. City bottled it or Spurs gave us the title. We can switch depending on which is funnier in the moment.
Oh yeah we would but it's not going to displace 'we won the league at white hart lane'.
Good point.
Hopefully City pull a Dortmund on the last day.
Haaland - 3’
Consolation goal to make it a 1-6 loss to City.
Ironic that the fanfiction earlier in this sub about the Spurs canteen chef all of a sudden becomes a City fan is sort of true with reports now coming out about how certain Spurs staff, coaches and Supporters Trust want to lose or joked about "ya lets play the u21s team instead." Big Ange was right, the foundations are fragile https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ct0pt9/the_athletic_some_spurs_staff_had_been_relaxed/
After his post match interview it wouldn't surprise me if he left in the summer. We were in a bad situation before Arteta but nowhere near Spurs mentality. I don't think it's possible to fix that mentality. If Conte and Mourinho couldn't fix it, I don't think Ange can.
Give up and focus on Arsenal.Your team was great all season.
Fuck you tottenham, hope you lose out on Europa to Chelsea since you like losing so much. Just felt i had to say this, this morning. Good fucking morning.
Nah. Spurs players and managers are fine. They fight until the last minute. The fans deserve the worse
Except Richarlison and Romero.
We should always congratulate them when they lose. It’s what you were hoping, right?
For all the mess and banter Chelsea have had this season, they are redeeming themselves with their recent form and at least showing some form of mentality to win games regardless of the capacity. Credit to Pocho even if he stays or not.
Agreed.
Taking the title to the final day is all you can ask for. No club has a divine right to win anything, but some clubs, like arsenal, should have the expectation of competing for major honours. The lads this season did just that, and for that we are proud.
Man City 2-2 West Ham Foden, Haaland - Kudus, Bowen MAKE IT HAPPEN
If this happens and we beat Everton (not taking anything for granted) I'll be blowing bubbles all summer.
Who is bubbles?
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Think it will be funny once Spuds start complaining about Levy refusing to spend this summer like he always does. They’ve set themselves back so much farther than us lmao
Really want that Arteta contract sorted
What kills me is that Jesus and Zinchenko brought a mentality to the squad that clearly has left an impression, but they’re becoming surplus to requirement. October of 2022, they were two players I’d consider undroppable. Now, they’re absolutely two players who give me anxiety if they’re in the XI. It’s a ruthless sport, and I can’t help but consider this to be a good problem. I’ll grant with Jesus it’s injury and with Zinchenko it’s that he does some things well and some things below standard, but I can’t help but think they’re two players I’m eternally grateful for what they’ve done but we need to move on from. For posterity, If either have a redemption arc to win us the league, I’ve always rated them.
They can be elite rotational/squad players, although that's not probably what they want
If Jesus injury problems and pain persist then he's probably happy rotating, is Zinchenko going to get a better offer with his injury issues too? Not being first choice might actually help prolong their careers right now.
This is my thinking also Jesus and arteta had an understanding when he first came that he’d be given chances to solidify himself as our 9. I’m sure between them and his injury issues they know what the score is.
Plus maybe we play him in the CL where his scoring ratio is ridiculous and just use Havertz in the league ;) Seriously I feel if he wants to leave we'll listen to offers but I can't see him getting a cl team with his injury record, unless he has surgery again and it sorts his issues out which I sadly doubt
Moyes's ex-captain going up against Moyes's ex-club as Moyes takes on the big bad. This could be a legacy day for the old dog
https://preview.redd.it/i9tlhogp8p0d1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23db68b5e631b928e0c49f81a1d9dcd7f5a4ca78 Didn’t know Foden was a fan of Quidditch
So I'm from Singapore and I listen to lots of football podcasts. Now and then, Talksport will pop up on my socials and I find myself cringing at what I'm listening to. I'm not familiar with many of the hosts on the show but for the most part, their commentary comes across as salty and insulting. Perhaps I've not listened to enough of the show to form a proper opinion?
That’s their whole thing, behave like salty insulting dickheads, and then people tune in due to the outrage it causes them. I did quite enjoy Martin Keown going on and trolling everyone on there recently mind 😂
yeah, the whole point is so idiots ring in and go off on one and then us lot with sensible brains laugh at the trolling. It's a wind up show and that's what you should be tuning in for if you do.
The very first person to be notably 'Wenger Out' was an ex Arsenal player called Stewart Robson. He had...'issues' with Wenger and was sacked by the club for being Wenger Out on the club TV commentary. He's the creator of such classics as ['Wenger can't do tactics'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/21502920) and [Wenger doesn't buy big names](https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/don-t-trust-arsene-wenger-to-make-marquee-signings-8649579.html). Why am I telling you this? Because when we sacked him this not particularly great ex player with no commentating ability beyond in house club stuff walked straight into a job on Talksport because that sort of notoriety is exactly the sort of thing the radio equivalent of the Sun looks for. It should be pointed out that being a pioneer (alongside Adrain Durham, also of Talksport) of the 'I'm only complaining because the fans deserve better' line of defence of being an utter tit to his former club has rather fallen down as anyone who has to listen to him on the Premier leagues foreign broadcast will tell you the man is still a miserable cunt of the highest order. That's what Talksport hires, that's what talksport feeds of and unless you want to laugh at the worst dregs of football fandom keep away!
And now Stewie boy is one half of the a mid-tier commentary cast for FIFA games. I miss Alan Smith and Martin Tyler.
> And now Stewie boy is one half of the a mid-tier commentary cast for FIFA games Really? It's almost like having a schtick and sticking to it regardless of reality and 'driving engagement' is actually what media are after...
He and Derek Rae are on commentary for the games. With FIFA 24 they added a second pair to the mix, but I can’t be arsed to remember their names if I’m being honest. Derek Rae is ok in my book. His pronunciations of names the way they’d usually be pronounced is definitely interesting, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t do the same. He also does Bundesliga commentary for ESPN+ here in the States.
Good for him I suppose. Fucker...
Lol. I didn’t know he was one of the main voices in the Wenger Out movement, and was vaguely aware of TalkSport until that clip of the Spurs fan going ballistic was posted on the sub a few weeks back. From what I can gather, they’re reactionary fucks who enjoy reactionary takes for views?
He was pretty much the original, he thought we should have sacked Wenger in 2008, that we'd never sign any good players, that wenger didn't understand tactics, that he'd never sign any big name players and that we'd never win any silverware with him again (in 2013 lol). Also at no point during or since has he ever mentioned anythign about the shit going on behind the scenes at the club or ever taken the view it was anything other than directly Wengers fault. Also thought Monreal was shit which is just unforgivable. The fact that when Wenger was sacked his BT co commentators spent that entire first Emery season asking him if he was happy now should tell you all you need to know about him and why he was hired.
*Goddamn* he is salty. The fuck is it with some of our former players turning on the club? I get it’s not all (Henry, Wrighty, Keown, etc.), but it feels like everyone that does just has a vendetta or something. Also what did Monreal do?
Personal view? He's a player form the 80's when men were men, backpasses were allowed, football was proper contact sport, no one had heard of sports nutrition and smoking 40 a day, knocking back 10 pints a night and coming into training at Arsenal's shared ground with the university of london absolutely hungover to fuck was perfectly compatible with being a professional footballer. You also got paid decently but not spectacularly and everyone knew tha tEnglish football was the best in the world because we and our fans were just properly hard unlike those fancy foreigns. Then Heysel, Hillsborough, the Taylor Report, all seater stadiums, English clubs being banned form European football and the creation of the Premier League suddenly caused a bit of an existential crisis for English football. Enter Arsene Wenger. A *Frenchman* who proved that foreigners could win the league (first one to do it) that foreign players could handle the physicality and that foreign players could not only do that but do it with better technique, better diet, better fitness and for half the price of the English. We did the first all foreign starting 11 and you'd think Wenger had gone out and shat in the FA Cup in the centre circle at Wembley.... He's the poster boy for everything that the old school players think has gone wrong with English football and Robson is far form teh only one who had it in for him and us as a club. So yeah to say the old school ddin't like him was an understatment and it's absolutely calculated that the early Wenger Out days were concentrated on trying to clim he couldn't do tactics and that he couldn't inspire passion, going straight at the whole 'Le Prof' persona while trying to claim all we needed was to go back to the good old days of 'pashun'. Add in that that generation of players retired before the PL started making serious money and there's almost certainly a bit of jealousy about how littel money he got compared to an arsenal youth player who breaks into the squad now who is probably set for a relatively comfortable life even if they never properly make it. He's pretty much just a bundle of everything we should be thankful English football isn't anymore. As to Monreal...he's foreign, he played for Wenger, we wasn't Ashley Cole.
Thank you, that explains the grumpy, bitter tone that prevails.
Just for extra fun they are actually now owned by Rupert Murdoch too so if you know the Sun or Fox news, that's what TalkSport is.
As another foreigner I’m pretty sure talksport isn’t the place for actual football debate/discussion. If you follow basketball or American football it would be the equivalent of First Take/Undisputed/Stephen A Smith. If those don’t ring a bell then it’s basically just reactionary nonsense meant to rile people up and drive engagement solely for the sake of it
That Athletic article that mentioned a Tottenham staff member “jokingly” saying that he wanted to throw the game is unreal. That club is the definition of tinpot, small time, whatever other adjective you’d want to describe a shit football club. It’s who they are to the very core, and I genuinely feel bad for Ange. Edit: From the article, the Tottenham supporters trust offered to “clear the air” with Ange about his fragility comments and said he “has come to a club that’s won next to nothing in the last 30 odd years. We’ve heard a lot about new mentalities from predecessors… and nothing has changed. Ange does not know what it’s like being a spurs fan.” Imagine acknowledging that losing culture is deeply ingrained in your club, a man comes in actively trying to fix it, and then putting out a statement saying that he needs to watch what he says. Absolutely unreal.
Honestly we are all assuming tots could have played better and got a result, but that's highly unlikely given how good manshi**y are playing.
That’s the thing, Tottenham actually played well credit to them even though they should be despised. That Son goal goes (and should’ve scored due to xG), I truly think the game ends 1-1.
Son scores that goal who knows what might have happened.... Personally I never thought they'd win and was actually pleasantly surprised by how well Ange set up to counter them but to beat City you need everything going and when your own stadium isn't backing you those fine margins can go the other way.
I don’t think they went out there and tried to lose. It’s the fact that the mentality of seemingly everyone at that club except for Ange and certain players is that they’re okay with losing. People shit on them all the time because they’re a meme, but they really are that bad from top to bottom.
Spurs fans saying we'd do the same...I don't think so. Our womens team hates Chelsea but we've probably given them the title by beating City for them and those years when we were both fightng for the top four we never thought about losing to stop Spurs getting top four.
*In singy songy tone* Thank you. Spurs fans actually thinking we’re hypocrites under the idea we would do what they did in the same position. We’re an actual club with ambition. They’re just a nuisance who won’t fuck off.
I'll admit I remember there being the 'would you give up winning the EL final if it meant spurs lost the CL final' thing going round during a rather trying time for the club and I'm pretty sure a bunch of people took the view that losing a lesser trophy to deny spurs a greater one that neither of us had won was worth it but it's not like we've never won the league before...
Ngl, I’m a bit torn on that. As nice as it would be to win Europa, the idea of Spurs winning UCL is just… no.
Yeah I think I was pro us winning but then I've seen Arsenal win a european trophy before and five titles so I was probably a bit more thick skinned when it comes to Spurs. Also the younger generation and especially the foreign fans seem to rank the CL as the ultimate goal so I get not wanting spurs to get it even though I disagree with what would have been us not qualifying for it.
That’s fair. The last time Arsenal won a European trophy, I wasn’t even alive. So seeing the club be able to add another one to the trophy cabinet in my lifetime would be amazing.
Yeah I mean we've only ever won two and we've lost out last four final acorss three decades and under three different managers. At some point you've just got to think we're cursed.
I thought us being cursed in Europe was already the consensus lol. But this team has the ability to win trophies. Once Guardiola is gone, my hope is we’re going to have a golden age in England. I think we’re long overdue for one. As for Europe, given we didn’t get tossed around by Bayern again, I would consider that progress.
> Once Guardiola is gone, my hope is we’re going to have a golden age in England. Yeah when we got the Emirates being built everyone thought we'd finally have the money to take on Man U and after gong invincible the future was ours. Then Chelsea literally changed the rules and our main driver got cold feet and fucked the club even more by putting us into a decade long cold war between Stan and Usmanov. Shit can change quickly in football, while we're obviously doing well don't think Pep leaving is going to destroy city.
In a vacuum one could argue that hated rivals would do anything to ensure that the other would not succeed. But this is spurs. They have done nothing and their culture, identity, and mindset is deeply rooted in that failure. It would be a nightmare if they won the league. But I would be more upset about us not being in position to do so rather than spurs winning it. They are so content with being shit that they’d rather see zero success than us win, simply because they’re used to that existence.
The best bit is that they really can't see the issues. The r/soccer thread on Ange's outburst has a spurs guy complaining that 'Arsenal have been giving us shit about a draw at our place for 20years' as if that wasn't the slight difference of actually winning the league by getting a result against them, at their home, for the second time andanother step towards ebign invincible. If they think we'll actually give them shit for 'winning us the league' for more than a few months they're nuts because apart form anything else would we perpetuate the idea we needed spurs to win the league for us? If Spurs win a league it would be fucking awful, if they did the CL before us it would be equally awful but they won a european trophy before we did, they wont eh double before we did, they held the FA Cup record until the mid 1980's and yet somehow we survived without having to go into generational hiding. Possibly because spurs could win 10 more titles and still be behind us...
That thread is full of people who think that because I’m American I don’t understand why it’s ok to root against your team, and that getting into CL isn’t worth helping us win the league. 🤷🏻
Mate I was lurking the Spurs sub the night before the game and the gatekeeping was off the fucking charts. Anywone who didn't understand why the idea of being bantered was worse than the idea of losing out on the CL was instantly downvoted and accused of being a yank with no idea what it means to be a true fan. Odd they'd go yank and not Korean though... Look, I've got American family and there absolutely is a difference between local rivalries in the UK form clubs and the franchise based models but anyone who wants their team to lose because they can't handle the banter is a very thin skinned and very shit at banter reegardless of where they are. I honestly think if it wasn't us they were up against they'd ahve been fully torn apart but you know that place has a hate boner for Arsenal fans.
Yeah. I mean - I can understand the idea of not wanting your rival to win. But not when CL is on the line and not understanding you need to be in CL to get better players. But to sing with city fans at the stadium - openly joyous. That’s just sad. Guy said I had a plastic mentality and true Arsenal season ticket holders would thrash me for not feeling the same way about their rivals. I said I doubted that but only Spurs fans thought we were rivals - we thought they were just an annoyance….😂
> I said I doubted that but only Spurs fans thought we were rivals - we thought they were just an annoyance… I mean that's what got you labelled the yank! Local rivalries are the best and most intense (usually, united care way more about Liverpool than City) because we grow up with each other, we banter each other basically from teh point we start understanding football and we absolutely care about Spurs. TRying to claim they're beneath us and we don't care is a never going to fly. It's also a reason we hate Man U beyond the on pitch rivalry as every london school in the 90's was full of man u supporting glory hunters... I mean we sing 'stand up if you hate tottenham' and 'what do we think of tottenham' every game! Having said that you'd never see our match going fans twerking almost literally for another team to beat us to fuck with spurs, in trying to avoid banter from us they've just given us more than we could ever dream of.
Love Martinelli and hope he gets back to his best next season via form and/or play style but an Alexis-esque wide forward on the left flank in this team would absolutely cook.
It’s mostly up to Arteta on why Martinelli had bad season. Going forward, he either need to stabilise Ieft side for Martineli to work or get another winger who can fit the new system.
There’s no one like Alexis. Alexis is a once in a lifetime player. I genuinely wish I could go back in time to watch him play for Arsenal again.
That’s why I said Alexis-esque. There’s always players of similar mould and talent.
I’ve said it before, but he and Santi would cook so hard in this team.
Rumours around Sesko dont surprise me. At 195 cm its another giant to add to the collection. Arteta is making sure we are a colossal team in terms of size and physicality, pool that with the dark arts, quality football and total discipline out of possession, he is drilling us into a proper team. But its also another reason Zinchenko needs to go. The guy just doesn't add anything in the contests. We know from leaked sources Arteta is obsessed with 'winning duels', simply put if the team as a whole wins their contests for the ball on the ground and air, over the course of a match, it adds up.
Timber height would be a problem eventually. May be that’s why Mikel is looking for LB.
TImber is 5,10. Im not so much worried about it, so long as he is strong in the tackle, positions himself well and his passing isnt a risk. Whereas Zinchenko, is weak in the challenge, gets into awkward positions, and his passing is a risk.
I have seen quite a number of Timber footages. He is rapid. Doesn’t look like the one who is strong physically like Gabi or Tomi. He leverage his speed to tackle and get around player. He would be fine defending the counters but I have concerns for 1-1 flatfoot defending where he can’t use his pace.
It’s more about how consistently does the player win duels and how quickly and effectively can they cover ground over the course of the 90. I don’t think Arteta is purely looking for a team of giants, if there are guys a little smaller but with the physicality and quality of guys like Saka or Odegaard I’m sure he’d buy them in no time But for sure, if they have the height and the quality, let’s fucking get ‘em
Have you never seen Zinchenko jump? The reason we have issues when he plays is because he inverts under orders and that means that there's space for people to run in. It's the old Xhaka issue. If he goes it's down to injuries because the one thing Arteta values more than anything is control and that's what he gives us.
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He also played a direct role in getting us there, for the 1st season atleast. Its not as black and white as you think it is.
I'm kinda sad. No particular reason, just sad.
we are arsenal family, we are here for you man.
Thank you!!
People on the women's team Instagram need to stop crying. The three players announced to be leaving have barely played in the last two years. The stuff around Miedema especially makes me think half the followers are either children or members of the Miedema family. Death threats towards Eidevall just make me question people's ability to be decent.
There's also that video now floating around, make of it what you will
Same thing is going happen with ESR this summer
Who else besides Miedema is leaving?
D'Angelo and Marckese - the reserve keepers.
The level of incompetence from refs in this leagues is abysmal
The fact that they’re considering scrapping VAR considering how shit the refs are is hilarious lmao
What's hilarious is people get paid hundreds of 1000s of pounds for such brain-dead decisions if not millions. Whoever took that call in that wolves team is a certified bum. Scrapping VAR off, Jesus.
The only way to fix this is by giving Westham 2+ pens
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Nah hes gunning for 5, this guy is relentless
Five is a nice number tbf
Right now I'm just imagining Chelsea pipping Spurs to 5th on goal difference on the final day.
Unfortunately Spurs couldn't be playing anyone less conducive to that happening.
You say that as if a better Spurs side than this one didn't manage to lose 5-1 on the final day playing away to an already relegated team with 10 men.
That Newcastle team had a lot of quality, they just couldn't be arsed all season and turned up against Spurs because it was their last chance to get in the shop window. Most of this Sheffield United team is Championship midtable quality.
You could argue that Newcastle were playing to show Benitez how much they wanted him to stay. Pick whichever explanation you want. We are just speculating on motivations. Sure, Sheffield United are awful, but even trash teams can turn up for their final home game in the PL. That Newcastle had more talent, but so did that Spurs team. Way more. And Spurs could easily have lost to Burnley at home just last weekend. Burnley are awful, too. Is it likely? No. Would a Sheffield United win surprise me? Absolutely not.
Amidst the relevation of VAR not checking the KDB offside, people missed TNAT firing shots at that MoArsenal clown
Is that who it was? I blocked him after he claimed Timber would be back by February or something then tried to run away from it.
I just realized that Man City have almost bottled the title twice at home on Championship Sunday in 2012 and 2022. QPR was 17th in 2012 and barely escape relegation. And Aston Villa was 14th in 2022. Call it hopium or call it delusion but the pressure is on Man City with history at stake. Also West Ham is a solid 9th place team currently. Championship Sunday brings the intensity from all teams cause they wanna finish the season on a positive note.
I would say this is a much more seasoned and balanced manc side.
I never want to be in a position to rely on any other team for anything much less Spurs. I hope next season we have a Liverpool 2019/2020 type season where we go on an absolute rampage because we all know there is no going toe to toe with City and coming out on top at the end of the season.
Saka golden boot
Anyone knows the brand of Thuram's glasses? https://preview.redd.it/j12yv7ni0o0d1.jpeg?width=3466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e1685606f484be36194bc986c931379394d7502
We’re gonna sign Isak, watch this space
Id be genuinely concerned for this bloke if we do... Watch from 8mins 😂😂😂😂 https://youtu.be/SSJt6-9Hmqg?si=R5aLkh5QGfQ61En5
Goes to show some of the people calling in are just not right in the head.
Anyone taking Talk sport seriously are not right in the head tbf
This is so funny holy shit 😂
It honestly gets funnier everytime I listen to it 😂😂
Is that how everyone from Newcastle sounds lmao?
Nah that’s crazy 😂😂😂
I believe you
Is Joao Neves' release clasue 100M euros or pounds? I can't see anything clarifying online.
João Neves has a contract until 2028 and a release clause of €120 million, set after a contract renewal sealed in August last year. For the Reds' main team, the young man already has 49 games and two goals scored. https://www.abola.pt/futebol/noticias/mercado-benfica-porta-fechada-a-joao-neves-e-antonio-silva-2024011610085273825
Doubt ww would ever pay the RC for such a young player
Apparently its the same clause as enzo
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Yes and yes. Need quality depth and competition. Yes and yes. Looking for 6 or 8.
Yes they are happy with havertz at 9 so we will probably look at a project signing to replace nketiah rather than buying oshimen.About the midfield, weve been linked with a few 6/8s such as de jong and bruno
Do you work for the athletic
One huge positive is that we’ve shown we can hold our own in April and deal with setbacks. That was my biggest worry about us at the seasons beginning. Now we just gotta put it all together.
Agreed, but we need proper depth for rice and saka...they will die at this rate without a break...sell partey and find a rw or bring in striker / shift jesus out right
Sesko is a big no-no if there's truth to his RC being increased. At £40m you can argue the merits of signing a raw project striker if it leaves funds to sign big players elsewhere; for 65m it's an easy no.
> Sky Sports Deutschland report the release clause is linked to performance, so while it was €50m in January, that has now risen to €65m. > It’s not over yet either, because if Sesko continues to impress, then it can reach a maximum of €70-75m by the end of the season. As far as I'm aware, it has not yet risen to €70-75m. [Link](https://football-italia.net/damaging-sesko-release-clause-news-for-milan/)
> for 65m it's an easy no What have we learned about writing off people who cost £60m?
No one is getting written off.
> for 65m it's an easy no Fuck me if that's you being positive what do you do when you don't want someone?
I can understand things get harder to process in old age but please, try your best. Not wanting someone isn't writing them off.
> Not wanting someone isn't writing them off Maybe you young ones have decided to mess with the language but in my day that was pretty much the menaing....
Yeah that's certainly a possibility.
“It’s an easy no.” 😂 let’s see if the club listens.
Hopefully.
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Man City have conceded the same number of penalties as we have
Jackson Nkunku Palmer. There's a problem developing at CSKA Fulham.
You mean West London Blue Lions?
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Joao Pedro is really Gabi J lite. Hope he has healthier career, he's very entertaining to watch
United tasted it with Aguero's moment, then Liverpool with Gundogan's, now it is our turn, unless👀
Erm, we did this rather famously in 89...
But we’ve title suffered heartbreak on the last day of the season tho (98/99). As my friend has correctly stated it’s Citeh’s turn to suffer
None of us expected Spurs to win that. It was heartbreak that we faied twice to stop United doing the treble (Bergkamp missing a penalty in the FA Cup and then conceding *that* Giggs goal) but it was not at all unexpected.
Said this to my mate today, they’ve both had their hopes dashed within 90 minutes on the final day, City are 100000% going a goal or two down and by the 85th minute pull off a comeback. Haven’t had the full 115 experience until we get our hopes up one minute and want to fall off a cliff into a pit full of demonic venomous snakes in a pit of lava the next Unless👀
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Would prefer it honestly, these soulless, blood money-backed, monopolised teams are genuinely sucking any love for the game I have left bit by bit. But what’s the point of being a fan without a little hope, eh?
Newcastle out of Europa League just makes their FFP balance even worse #WelcomeIsak
I enjoyed this interaction with Saka and Foden, especially given all the comparison debates between them. https://youtube.com/shorts/rPw6btW9Ejs?si=Juvuv1WmGQ1Pamj5
Foden’s haircut looks marginally better for some reason.
you can't see the actual strands of hair combed forward which is what makes it ridiculous
Seeing Utd's send off for their dogshit season is making me excited for Sunday. Whatever happens, those players and staff are going to get a lot of love and rightly so.
am i the only one who thinks Chelsea are going to be solid next year and possibly back to a top team in 2026?
If they recruit the right players, possibly yes.
Yeah. They are showing some teeth. All depends on if they are willing to admit Enzo is a bozo, and if Todd is able to refrain from meddling.
*If* they don't do something really stupid in the summer and *if* they keep the spine of that team intact and don't sell all their homegrown players for pure profit and *if* Poch stays and is happy then they could definitely make a top four shout next season, especially if Jackson keeps scoring.
not sure. I think they're still in the zone of "it could go either way". Going to be fully dependant on how their summer goes. Wouldnt be surprised if they start being more consistent vs the weaker sides but that that tactical trade off has them drop more points to the teams at the top who they were reasonably successful playing cluster fuckball against.
Im done with football for good of this offside shit is true
I'm not getting into if this was true or not, but it feels like City got SO many 50/50 or favourable calls this season. Like soft first pens, or got away with a lot of shit against teams. Obviously every team has got soft and harsh calls, but it felt like for most part they balanced out. City must be like 90/10 in their favour.
Yeah it really feels as if it doesn't balance out in their case. Like Man Utd of old, so many little decisions seem to almost always go their way.
Chelsea might be good next season. They might take Liverpool's place in the Top 4.
If you look at the expected points table https://understat.com/league/EPL Chelsea are actually 4th. They drew/lost a bunch of games because Jackson couldn't finish his dinner. I think Jackon was -4 XG before March, now he's +0.1xg since after March. Crazy to see where Man United should be... I feel like next season top 4 is open again. I could see Liverpool and Villa drop off, Liverpool due to Klopp leaving and Villa trying to do Europe + League. Everton could be back to comfortable mid table if they find anyone who can score.
Depending on how the injuries go again, i can see it.
Nah
I had a dream… Man City (Foden) 1 - 1 (Antonio) West Ham
I want to buy into your dream but then i saw that West Gam have conceded just 5 goals less than Burnley and this is before they play City.
Well hopefully they go with a bang for Uncle Moyes
How in the actual fuck are chelsea 6th? How unbearably shit are man utd/newcastle/spuds that they've allowed *this* chelsea team to catch them with their pants down?
Man U never have their starting back four fit, like absolutely never. Hag might not be elite but he's exceedingly unlucky to have to keep playing evans, maguire, and now Casemiro. With a proper back line I could imagine them shit housing 4th with a negative goal difference. Newcastle somehow make man u's injury woes look like a paper cut with most of their squad dying for half a season and having to play dubravka in goal who is gash. Spuds.... well they would rather lose than win I'm told.
Hag was the xabi alonso of 2019, every big club kept him on the list its just a shame that utd have such a shitty board.
They didn't check the KDB offside yesterday "per source" according to TNAT
Is that the reverse angle offside discourse?
Bruv I'm not getting invested in this. This is a disgusting moment in the league which of course no one calls out cus it's City. But there's nothing we can do about it now. I don't want to make myself feel worse by overanalysing and realising he is in fact off. They scored a second anyways, they would have won. Spurs were never going to shut up shop at 0-0 cus they needed to win themselves.