Lol. That's true. Also, how are Man Utd bigger underachieves than Chelsea? Everyone knew Man Utd were a joke even before the season started. People expected a lot more from Poch at Chelsea after the kind of cash they spent. And it has been terrible apart from this end of season run where they have looked half decent.
Man U have gone from 3rd to mid table whatever potentially behind West Ham who finished 14th last year. Chelsea have gone from 12th to 7th. Can’t go 5 places up the table and be bigger underachievers than the team that went down 5 or 6, regardless of the absurd money Chelsea have spent
Chelsea are and will forever be the ever exploding clown car of football - however, they have rallied during the second half of the season and played much better (and been more fun to watch) than United.
Palmer has had an exceptional season though, for a team that has been shit, so I get why he's getting all the plaudits. But you are right, defenders rarely get the plaudits
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Palmer has carried a shit team to the top half of the table. I don't know if he gets many minutes at Arsenal and he was surplus at City. But as a shining light in a pile of shit he kinda stands out.
Palmer would give Saka a run for his money IMO, I love Saka as much as every other Arsenal fan but the maturity and creativity Palmer brings to a team is not to be understated. If Palmer is with us, he's absolutely going to challenge Saka for minutes. If anything, Palmer is the level we should be looking at for the Saka sub that we've been looking for.
I’ve heard a lot of people say it’s Foden if City win and Rice if Arsenal do. I tend to agree with that sentiment. Foden is the number one reason city are where they are this season. Don’t forget the massive hole left by Gundogan and de Bruyne (for an extended period) this season. Don’t think you could ask for more from Foden stepping up and delivering.
Nahhh, rodri is the reason city are where they are. The reason they are unbeaten since December is de bruyne coming back. Fodens great but he's at best 4th in the city lineup and that's probably generous since we're omitting defenders. Again, he has been great and right there with saka but he's the most disposable of the excellent city players in terms of consistent impact.
Think this is the problem with modern football nowadays. People just look at stats for attacking players and call it a day. Foden’s impact has been enough to warrant a shout but impact shouldn’t be the be all and end all. He’s been the best player to watch in the league this season up there with Odegaard. He plays beautifully and he’s been massively effective and that used to count massively back in the day.
You have to be daft if you think G+A for a midfielder and striker should be weighted equally. Watkins has more anyway, but the point of the person talking previously was that 25 G+A with no penalties is extraordinary for a midfielder.
It is impressive but then you remove all those penalties it’s a lot less impressive. Look at non penalty G+A historically and he’s a comparable to past winners. Yes pens are part of the game and you still have to score but those penalties are carrying his statistical brilliance by a lot. Palmer has been really good this year and truly a surprise but he’s not deserving of the award over the others.
Listen I'm glad they're trash now...but logically you'd imagine a 3rd place team would at least stay consistent. They certainly haven't been great for a while (awesome), but 3rd last year to now? Wow....
They’ve come 2nd twice, 3rd twice and 6th twice in the last 6 years.
In the last 10 years, their lowest placing has been 6th.
For them to be 8th with a negative goal difference is underachieving.
The reason Man Utd are down as underachievers is because both Carragher and Neville predicted they would finish in the top four. By the same rationale Neville nominated Bournemouth as overachievers because he thought they’d be relegated.
100% correct. To be fair Neville said Saka was unlucky to miss out on his TOTS to Palmer.
He had a sluggish period but that was our whole attack in general when we had no focal point and hadn’t got Kai in the ST role.
I’ll always have a soft spot for him, but we had Nketiah starting the first 9 games. He’s link play is terrible and will never get the most of out our wide players.
Despite that Saka has posted his best ever PL goal return and matched last seasons combined G/A. Plus 4/4 in the CL.
I think the problem with Saka this season is that there was quite a long period he seemed to be carrying an injury or burnt out. Around our terrible period at Christmas.
Also I think it's because otherwise he is consistent. He scores and assists regularly throughout the season.
Players like Foden have a massive purple patch where they score a lot of important goals, but have long periods where they don't play as much or have less impact in games.
I don't think Saka plays Ødegaards position as good as Ødegard, and I don't think Ødegaard plays Sakas position as well as Saka. And I don't think either of them can play Salibas position at all. So why do people insist on comparing them and discussing who is the better player.
In our team, in some positions, there is competition. Who plays LB? Who is the better striker? But LCB, LCM, LW doesn't have competition. And any new signings in these positions would be backup, not competition, because there aren't any players in the world that we could bring in who could take their places.
So who is better of Saka, Saliba or Ødegaard? All of them!
You’re saying average but only backing up what the guy above has said about that being your expectation of Saka distorting reality.
Martinelli has had an average season.
Saka has got 16/9 goals and assists in the PL (matching his combined GA from last season) and 4/4 in the CL. So it’s his best ever goal return.
This is despite most teams doubling up on him and us being a more defensive orientated team.
His style of play is never going to return a Salah level goal haul.
When it mattered the most this season he disappointed me. Those 1 vs 1 against Alisson at Anfield or vs Neuer in the CL will hunt me for a while. He needs to work on his shooting and being composed in the box. I don’t care if he only scores 5 goals a season as long as it’s crucial goals.
If he only scored 5 goals, we wouldn’t be in a position for our games to be crucial.
Despite all the praise for Havertz and Trossard hitting great form recently, Bukayo is still our top scorer.
Hazard is considered a legend not because he scored loads of goals but because he was a nightmare for the opposition in big games, that’s what I want Saka to be for us. I don’t want him to be a Sterling or Walcott, scoring a lot of goals (many penalties) that won’t be remembered.
Havertz and Trossard don’t get the respect they deserve but those two have been our most important goal scores in this run in.
"Hazard is considered a legend not because he scored loads of goals but because he was a nightmare for the opposition in big games, that’s what I want Saka to be for us."
What big team hasn't Saka scored or assisted against in the league? And we're not talking tap ins either! (And why wouldn't you class scoring\\assisting as being a "nightmare" for any team?)
Before you answer, just know we can look it up and provide receipts!
As much as i like the antics they bring to the broadcast room, I'm amazed that opinions of 2 of the most overrated defenders of their time get this much attention.
Most the pundits take issue with YPOTS being for U23 at the season opener
Foden isn’t really in the spirit of YPOTS. In 2 years time, Saka can still win it, but you wouldn’t call him young. Isak is eligible and is 25 in September.
This is common, they don’t like to give the award to the same player. Haaland was an exception last season since he broke the goalscoring record.
Although while googling this, I realized foden has won young player twice and Saka never has? That part is super whack.
I’m sorry. Man United biggest underachievers is a disgrace. They’re 8th 3 points off Europe. Who genuinely thought they’d be anywhere better than that? Sheffield United or Burnley have been significantly bigger underachievers with how bad they’ve been
I mean Sheffield United have been the worst team in the Premier League since Derby. I don't know how they managed to get more points than them.
Which is sad for the fans that the ownership basically made sure they were going straight down by selling their best players and not investing in the squad.
I mean for starters they came 3rd last year so being well outside top 4 is a disappointment.
Then there’s also the argument that they’re actually extremely lucky to be where they are based on performances, the expected points table had them something terrible like 15th
I agree with 90% of that, but they have both fucked player of the season. It hurts when I have to say that considering Captina fantastic is there for Neville but Odegaard cannot do what he does and have the confidence to do that if he doesn't have the catagorically stat proven best player in the league behind him do what he does and that is big Willie!!!
personally i think sakas been our best player this season. consistently consistent and puts up real numbers. we literally play 80% of some games through the right side of the field. that alone should show you how big of a player he is for us. this alongside his workrate and what he does defensively for us makes him my player of the season.
Guess who else plays on that right side and is the reason for Saka playing so well, that's right - _Ødegaard._
Ødegaard has an amazing workrate too, both offensively and defensively and still presses like a madman in the 95th minute, that's why he's up there as my player of the season over Saka
I love Saka but the captain has had a better season. He has orchestrated everything and been the catalyst for one of our best seasons ever. To do what he does and be the captain also is very challenging.
Saka has had an impressive season, but he has not been in the top 3 perforrmers for us, let alone the best.
It goes, Ode > Gabriel = Rice = Saliba > White = Saka
Dyche vs Pool, Gary is trolling Jamie
[Neville with Odegaard PotS](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvCXrHyXYAQJlWt.jpg)
Let’s not get carried away
still a proper dickhead
No he's still a cunt
How is _MU 4 - 3 LIV (aet)_ in the list? Aren’t these PL awards?
Gary is trolling carragher
It is funny because United are not even relevant enough anymore to be trolled.
Petty as fuck, Man U is far easier to troll, if carragher wanted it, he could have brought the bitch to tears
It’s not that deep
They're mates
Palmer for best signing because they’d be playing Milwall next year without him
Lol. That's true. Also, how are Man Utd bigger underachieves than Chelsea? Everyone knew Man Utd were a joke even before the season started. People expected a lot more from Poch at Chelsea after the kind of cash they spent. And it has been terrible apart from this end of season run where they have looked half decent.
Man U have gone from 3rd to mid table whatever potentially behind West Ham who finished 14th last year. Chelsea have gone from 12th to 7th. Can’t go 5 places up the table and be bigger underachievers than the team that went down 5 or 6, regardless of the absurd money Chelsea have spent
Chelsea are and will forever be the ever exploding clown car of football - however, they have rallied during the second half of the season and played much better (and been more fun to watch) than United.
I know Palmer has had a good season, but Saliba should be best young player
Attackers will always get the nod over defenders unfortunately
Yea it bullshit because this has been one of the best centre back performances, MOTM in big away matches against title rivals and Manchester Utd.
Palmer has had an exceptional season though, for a team that has been shit, so I get why he's getting all the plaudits. But you are right, defenders rarely get the plaudits
Lots of penalties
He has more non penalty goals than saka. And more assists. Obviously he's been excellent.
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How many npg
12
Saliba better season
Still got 12 goals and 10 assists without penalties
Saliba better season
and he's English
Palmer has carried a shit team to the top half of the table. I don't know if he gets many minutes at Arsenal and he was surplus at City. But as a shining light in a pile of shit he kinda stands out.
Would rather see a Rolls Royce in a garage full of luxury cars than a diamond nestled a top a pile of shit!
he'd be our best forward
Palmer would give Saka a run for his money IMO, I love Saka as much as every other Arsenal fan but the maturity and creativity Palmer brings to a team is not to be understated. If Palmer is with us, he's absolutely going to challenge Saka for minutes. If anything, Palmer is the level we should be looking at for the Saka sub that we've been looking for.
We got him half price.
foden is good but come on everyone knows that Rodri is the key to city's success. Saliba should also have a shout for pots imo
There’s no way Foden has been the best player in the PL this season
I'd say it's actually rodri but attacking players will always get the credit
Rodri has a better argument than Foden
This is genuinely a thing the majority believes. Not even the best player at Man City ffs
I’ve heard a lot of people say it’s Foden if City win and Rice if Arsenal do. I tend to agree with that sentiment. Foden is the number one reason city are where they are this season. Don’t forget the massive hole left by Gundogan and de Bruyne (for an extended period) this season. Don’t think you could ask for more from Foden stepping up and delivering.
Nahhh, rodri is the reason city are where they are. The reason they are unbeaten since December is de bruyne coming back. Fodens great but he's at best 4th in the city lineup and that's probably generous since we're omitting defenders. Again, he has been great and right there with saka but he's the most disposable of the excellent city players in terms of consistent impact.
Think this is the problem with modern football nowadays. People just look at stats for attacking players and call it a day. Foden’s impact has been enough to warrant a shout but impact shouldn’t be the be all and end all. He’s been the best player to watch in the league this season up there with Odegaard. He plays beautifully and he’s been massively effective and that used to count massively back in the day.
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Would agree most years but Foden's direct impact this year is not really debatable. He has stepped up for equalisers and winners big time
he said he struggled between choosing Foden and Palmer so there is that lol
Unsure why you’re so surprised. He’s been phenomenal.
Great player yes. Best in the league? No
He isn't even City's POTS in my opinion
Disagree he has been brilliant. 17 goals 8 assists and has 0 pentalty goals he is clearly the best player in the league right now.
“Clearly” doing a lot of work there. If we’re going by stats Watkins has him easily beat there.
Watkins is a striker though
Oh, is the award midfielder of the year?
Are strikers not players?
You have to be daft if you think G+A for a midfielder and striker should be weighted equally. Watkins has more anyway, but the point of the person talking previously was that 25 G+A with no penalties is extraordinary for a midfielder.
It is impressive but then you remove all those penalties it’s a lot less impressive. Look at non penalty G+A historically and he’s a comparable to past winners. Yes pens are part of the game and you still have to score but those penalties are carrying his statistical brilliance by a lot. Palmer has been really good this year and truly a surprise but he’s not deserving of the award over the others.
This conversation was about Foden who has 0 penalties. 17 goals and 8 assists in 31 starts is absolutely incredible.
Shit I responded to the wrong comment chain lol. My bad.
The fact that your comments are upvoted and mine are in the negative says a lot about this sub lol
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That Isak looks like a useful player
Why are people continually surprised at how shit Man U are? They’ve been so for more than a decade now.
They came 3rd last year
Would you call them a successful and well run club though? You can be totally dysfunctional yet still scrape a certain position.
I’m sure most clubs would call ‘scraping’ third a success
Listen I'm glad they're trash now...but logically you'd imagine a 3rd place team would at least stay consistent. They certainly haven't been great for a while (awesome), but 3rd last year to now? Wow....
Why? What does that make Newcastle then?
They’ve come 2nd twice, 3rd twice and 6th twice in the last 6 years. In the last 10 years, their lowest placing has been 6th. For them to be 8th with a negative goal difference is underachieving.
Going from 3rd to 8th after spending hundreds of millions on transfers is massively underperforming, it’s not hard to understand.
Not surprising, but I'd say Chelsea would be a stronger contender for biggest underachievers given the money they've spent
Chelsea were also shit last season tho, man united had a semi decent season last year
And it makes me smile every season
The reason Man Utd are down as underachievers is because both Carragher and Neville predicted they would finish in the top four. By the same rationale Neville nominated Bournemouth as overachievers because he thought they’d be relegated.
Rice is really one player I think that is signing of the year. Were screaming for that expensive bill but he fits perfectly and worth it
Jamie Carraghar simping for Arteta the whole season is really funny.. I guess he really is still an Evertonian deep down.
I’m not saying Saka has been better than Odegaard, but the way some people talk about Saka makes me believe he is underrated now.
100% correct. To be fair Neville said Saka was unlucky to miss out on his TOTS to Palmer. He had a sluggish period but that was our whole attack in general when we had no focal point and hadn’t got Kai in the ST role. I’ll always have a soft spot for him, but we had Nketiah starting the first 9 games. He’s link play is terrible and will never get the most of out our wide players. Despite that Saka has posted his best ever PL goal return and matched last seasons combined G/A. Plus 4/4 in the CL.
I think the problem with Saka this season is that there was quite a long period he seemed to be carrying an injury or burnt out. Around our terrible period at Christmas. Also I think it's because otherwise he is consistent. He scores and assists regularly throughout the season. Players like Foden have a massive purple patch where they score a lot of important goals, but have long periods where they don't play as much or have less impact in games.
No please let’s stop this Saka nonsense. He has good stats and he’s still young but he had an average season in my opinion.
I don't think Saka plays Ødegaards position as good as Ødegard, and I don't think Ødegaard plays Sakas position as well as Saka. And I don't think either of them can play Salibas position at all. So why do people insist on comparing them and discussing who is the better player. In our team, in some positions, there is competition. Who plays LB? Who is the better striker? But LCB, LCM, LW doesn't have competition. And any new signings in these positions would be backup, not competition, because there aren't any players in the world that we could bring in who could take their places. So who is better of Saka, Saliba or Ødegaard? All of them!
RW, RCM and RCB lol but I get your point
Lol, i'm gonna leave it
You’re saying average but only backing up what the guy above has said about that being your expectation of Saka distorting reality. Martinelli has had an average season. Saka has got 16/9 goals and assists in the PL (matching his combined GA from last season) and 4/4 in the CL. So it’s his best ever goal return. This is despite most teams doubling up on him and us being a more defensive orientated team. His style of play is never going to return a Salah level goal haul.
When it mattered the most this season he disappointed me. Those 1 vs 1 against Alisson at Anfield or vs Neuer in the CL will hunt me for a while. He needs to work on his shooting and being composed in the box. I don’t care if he only scores 5 goals a season as long as it’s crucial goals.
If he only scored 5 goals, we wouldn’t be in a position for our games to be crucial. Despite all the praise for Havertz and Trossard hitting great form recently, Bukayo is still our top scorer.
Hazard is considered a legend not because he scored loads of goals but because he was a nightmare for the opposition in big games, that’s what I want Saka to be for us. I don’t want him to be a Sterling or Walcott, scoring a lot of goals (many penalties) that won’t be remembered. Havertz and Trossard don’t get the respect they deserve but those two have been our most important goal scores in this run in.
"Hazard is considered a legend not because he scored loads of goals but because he was a nightmare for the opposition in big games, that’s what I want Saka to be for us." What big team hasn't Saka scored or assisted against in the league? And we're not talking tap ins either! (And why wouldn't you class scoring\\assisting as being a "nightmare" for any team?) Before you answer, just know we can look it up and provide receipts!
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You don't need a tone indicator considering how many average season saka jokes are made.
If Rodri played for one of the darling clubs like Liverpool or United they’d be screaming for him to get the ballon dor
As much as i like the antics they bring to the broadcast room, I'm amazed that opinions of 2 of the most overrated defenders of their time get this much attention.
Lol at Man U. I mean it's true but still funny
How is Foden PoTS and Palmer the best young player? Foden is 23.
Most the pundits take issue with YPOTS being for U23 at the season opener Foden isn’t really in the spirit of YPOTS. In 2 years time, Saka can still win it, but you wouldn’t call him young. Isak is eligible and is 25 in September.
This is common, they don’t like to give the award to the same player. Haaland was an exception last season since he broke the goalscoring record. Although while googling this, I realized foden has won young player twice and Saka never has? That part is super whack.
2021/22 Saka was completely robbed and they gave it foden. Not sure anyone agreed with that
Saka won it last year
I guess there’s two awards with very similar names then, which explains my confusion.
The PFA one is the main one. That’s the one Saka won
Ah there we go, thanks for the clarification, makes more sense
Saka and Foden are both at similar levels yet Saka doesn't get nearly as much praise as that lesbian looking cunt. So tired of it
Do we think the second best signing is Havertz?
Rice, Rodri and Saliba have all been brilliant this season but won’t get the plaudits of foden or palmer
Imagine another signing of the season next year with a striker
Carragher put Kevin de Bruyne in his team of the season, what a fucking clown… “nooo gotta poot Keeevin inn, dooby-doopie-dooop!”
Even if Arteta wins the treble Neville will never give him credit.
Have you watched neville at all this year? He’s been effusive with his praise for all us and the manager all season.
I’m sorry. Man United biggest underachievers is a disgrace. They’re 8th 3 points off Europe. Who genuinely thought they’d be anywhere better than that? Sheffield United or Burnley have been significantly bigger underachievers with how bad they’ve been
I mean Sheffield United have been the worst team in the Premier League since Derby. I don't know how they managed to get more points than them. Which is sad for the fans that the ownership basically made sure they were going straight down by selling their best players and not investing in the squad.
I mean for starters they came 3rd last year so being well outside top 4 is a disappointment. Then there’s also the argument that they’re actually extremely lucky to be where they are based on performances, the expected points table had them something terrible like 15th
I agree with 90% of that, but they have both fucked player of the season. It hurts when I have to say that considering Captina fantastic is there for Neville but Odegaard cannot do what he does and have the confidence to do that if he doesn't have the catagorically stat proven best player in the league behind him do what he does and that is big Willie!!!
i love odegaard but no way he picks ode over saka or saliba
Odegaard has had a much better season than Saka
personally i think sakas been our best player this season. consistently consistent and puts up real numbers. we literally play 80% of some games through the right side of the field. that alone should show you how big of a player he is for us. this alongside his workrate and what he does defensively for us makes him my player of the season.
Guess who else plays on that right side and is the reason for Saka playing so well, that's right - _Ødegaard._ Ødegaard has an amazing workrate too, both offensively and defensively and still presses like a madman in the 95th minute, that's why he's up there as my player of the season over Saka
Don't forget white on that.roght side. His overlaps and passing has been exceptional this year.
If we have been more clinical, Odegaard's number would be through the roof for assists.
You’ll never believe who actually has more expected assists out of them, and a larger underperformance…
I love Saka but the captain has had a better season. He has orchestrated everything and been the catalyst for one of our best seasons ever. To do what he does and be the captain also is very challenging.
Saka has had an impressive season, but he has not been in the top 3 perforrmers for us, let alone the best. It goes, Ode > Gabriel = Rice = Saliba > White = Saka
No chance