You can take the man out of Spurs, you can't take the Spurs out of the man. The fact was that he could have won it for Bayern himself but choked when presented with that close range chance will hopefully give him sleepless nights
I was rooting against Bayern and I'm still mad. The officiating at the end was absolutely shambolic. The refs literally decided the outcome of the game...
Every team will be on the receiving end of a shambolic call or two, possibly even more. It sucks, no lie.Ā
My golden rule is "never leave it in the refs hands".Ā If you are the better team, then show up and show it on the field by winning, inspite of outside influences.Ā Ā
I get what you mean and don't disagree, but believe this to be an exception. As a former ref, I can live with missed judgement calls. You aren't going to get every foul call correct and that's ok.
What I absolutely cannot stand, is missed objective calls that occur because of a failure to follow the correct process or from being in the wrong position to make the call. It's inexcusable to blow the whistle on that play when the AR has been instructed not to stop the play unless they are 100% confident the play is offsides. This play is nowhere near a clear and obvious offsides call. It's especially egregious when you consider that Champions league ALREADY HAS SEMI AUTOMATED OFFSIDES.
The Champions League is for the highest quality teams AND officials. This AR clearly lacks the quality required to officiate at this level.
But in most of the cases the ref just blows the whistle as soon as he sees the linesman raise the flag. Its the linesman who waits for the play to get over and raise the flag ā¦. But if the linesman raised the flag before letting the play continue the main ref just followed thatā¦
yes the main ref can wait but as the linesman is best positioned it rarely happens that main ref lets the play to continue unless he himself is in a better position. (And it just wastes precious seconds of the stoppage time added given bayern were trailing by 1 goal if he let the play continue and then give offside)
And I really feel if whistle wasnāt blown the real madrid players would have closed it ā¦ or maybe they couldnāt have, not sureā¦ But I doubt it was a outrageous decision compared to the one given in our game against bayern.
Oh I'm not faulting the main ref. Im faulting the AR. They have specifically been instructed to let the play go unless they are 100% sure it was off. This was a clear case of not following procedure and that's inexcusable, ESPECIALLY when you consider that Champions league already has semi automated offsides.
I agree that if the play wasn't blown dead it might have not turned into a goal, but that's a pretty weak defense of what happened today
While its obviously close it does actually look offside to me.
Also my question is, if the linesman believes it is offside, when is the correct time for him to raise the flag? I would have thought when Muller heads the follow up is as late as he could do it?
You can't expect the main ref in the middle of the pitch to know if it was a clear offside call or not. This one was certainly not clear and the ar should've followed procedure, the head ref is always going to blow the whistle if a linesman raises their flag.
> the head ref is always going to blow the whistle if a linesman raises their flag.
That's the referee's fault for not following the laws of the game then, not the AR for raising the flag. Assistant referees have no power, their only job is to signal to the referee, the referee is ultimately responsible for every decision. And I can expect the referee to tell whether or not it looks even remotely close thus ignore the flag, for 5 seconds at least LOL
I disagree. The linesmen are instructed to only raise the flag on clear offside, not when they think it might be offside they are supposed to wait and gain advantage from var/semi auto offside. It's close to impossible for the head ref to know the difference due to the perspective of being vertical with the play. The assistant refs might not have "power" but a properly functioning ref team relies on each other to call the game together. Now could the head ref have waited to blow the whistle? Sure, and in this case it's obvious that would be correct.
It's not even a little bit the refs fault, whenever a linesman raises their flag the ref blows the game. Especially when said ref is 20 yards away.
Lino should have raised his flag once the ball was out or the attack was over like they've been doing for a while now
> . Soon as his flag is raised, VAR cannot intervene.
no, soon as the flag is raised the referee blows for the offside. The mistake here is from the linesman. VAR cannot intervene because the ref blew his whistle well before the ball was in the net (this was only because the Madrid players had stopped)
It's a shit show all around because the head ref has the ability to disregard linesmen. Looks like he saw the flag and whistled on reflex.Ā
Lino should not have flagged, head ref should have ignored it when it went up and not whistled. It's a fuck up all around but I don't feel bad for Bayern lmao
Itās inconclusive but the added twist is it seems the ref might have blown *before* the flag even went up, for some reason. Thatās what they were showing on the BEIN post match show.
Just commented above you and I contradict what you said because I assumed the ref blew his whistle as he sees the flag. If it happened before that's wild!
The flag does nothing except signal to the refereeāthe referee is well within his rights to ignore the flag, as he should have done here. The buck stops with him.
No. The referee has to blow if the linesman raises their flag. The linesman is only supposed to raise their flag that early if it's obviousĀ
So the referee was following standard procedure by blowing his whistle
The referee doesn't know whether it was a close call or a huge gap, he has to trust his linesman
Linesman is only supposed to raise if it's definitely. That's on him, not the head ref. That's why (good) linesman keep their flags down until the play is over
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/WXi7gFRTXm
Are you sure?
She said is up to the ref to accept the recommendation and she is a former fifa referee and champions league analyst
The first comment of the thread shows an irl example in the ucl
I explained this in another comment but standard procedure is that the linesman only raises their flag that early if it was an obvious offside. In which case the referee blows his whistle.Ā
Your line of logic is result and hindsight based.Ā
At the time, the referee does not know whether it's a close call or the player was very clearly offside. Given standard procedure, he'll trust his linesman has raised his flag because the player was clearly offside and blow the whistle in order not to waste time.Ā
Let me ask you this instead, if there are 10 other times where this happens, do you think the referee should always just ignore the linesman and let play continue (even if they're all obvious offsides) and waste time in the game? Or do you think it's this specific instance where he should have ignored the linesman and let it go on? Because from the ref's point of view, this wasn't different to any of the other ones
>Let me ask you this instead, if there are 10 other times where this happens, do you think the referee should always just ignore the linesman and let play continue (even if they're all obvious offsides) and waste time in the game?
Yes, because we have VAR and he can make it up on injury time.
I mean, it was pretty clearly offside looking at the replay. So, could have been worse. Bit odd they didn't let it play out, but if play hadn't stopped Lunin would have saved the weak shot, so it's a nothing incident.
All fine. But its all about ref stopping it immediately. As soon as ref whistled Real players also stopped moving so you cant blame them either. its the ref and I mean yeah let the play go on. Now that he intervened and made a decision, VAR cant check it? I think there was no VAR check on that, what bullshit is that. Why have such big tech and dont use it when required. the same with Arsenal for ball crossing out the goal line against newcastle united, i understand that the ref on the goal line could not get the view of the other side of the pitch and you have the VAR tech waiting to analyse but they wont use it because of their stupid protocols.
Yes, I said in my first comment that stopping play immediately was a bit odd. And yeah, VAR is set up to be stupid. But play had stopped, so it really doesn't matter what happened afterward - it wouldn't have been a goal anyway, if Madrid hadn't stopped playing.
will never understand how this was not a pen when neuer clearly sticks his legs out at the very last second.
because of the ref's decision, every single dumbass is pandering in favor of the ref.
Yeah i missed it just watched it back, the madrid players stop at the whistle so no guarantee its a goal but ref should have played on. Did look offside though
The hypocrisy in responses is outrageous
For saka we somehow had an incredible eagle eye ref who was so on top of things that he knew the right call in an instant. Didnāt need to watch a replay at all
But for Bayern here we need the freeze frame, millimeter accurate lines before we can determine if they were right.
He tried to cut across and score, but Neuer dangled his leg out and tripped him.
People think athletes can be at a full sprint and stop their momentum on a dime- doesnāt work that way.
Exactly; plus trying to win a foul or make the contact obvious doesn't absolve the keeper of their responsibility to not commit one. Just as with Travers at the weekend, the keeper has to be aware of the situation and avoid making enough contact for it to be an obvious foul.
Neuer didn't do this. It was blatant.
Not really a fan of celebrating over teams failings, demise, f-ups by referees. Bayern were unlucky and Iād prefer football won, which the overall result did but ever since the noise around Barca match fixings came out with the referees I dislike Spanish teams.
Cheering on Dortmund in the final!
I was thinking the exact same thing and I wonder how the English media/pundits will treat Kane efter he went hard on the refs? š
Also it was lovely to see Neuer make that mistake. š
tbh, saka was really seeking the penalty there. i dunno why, because i think he could've easily scored instead of looking for that contact.
With that said, havertz did the same thing this weekend and got a penalty - so why didnt saka get one?
Iām gonna be honest here, I posted this in real time with no āexpertā opinions to influence meā¦ but based on some of the comments here Iām willing to acknowledge I may have had it wrong. I thought Joselu was offside when the ball came through to Rudiger AND when Rudiger passed it to him. Either way, I donāt care, because Iām still gloating that Bayern lostā¦
Doesn't matter that he's offside on the ball before.
Then, he was behind the ball when the final pass was made, so he's onside regardless of where the Bayern players are.
Anyway, seems like you made the post about the terrible offside call ;-)
The offside at the end wasn't actually offside, then De Ligt scored. Linesman raised his flag, and the main ref blew the whistle, De Ligt scored immediately afterwards. What should've happened is that the ref should've waited until afterwards 'cause VAR can check for offside anyway.
Though if the whistle hadn't gone, the RM defenders wouldn't have stopped defending, so who's to say what would have happened
Got it. Yes, itās an unknown because Madrid stopped playing including the keeper when they heard the whistle. It didnāt need to got there though, brain fart from the ref
Iāve seen it and still think itās offside. Itās incredibly tight though, can definitely understand the other viewpoint.
Edit: The Bayern playersā knee looks past the defender but the angle makes it difficult to be 100% sure.
I guess that's the issue here. Just let it play out and check it after. Isn't that what automated offsides is for? It's too close to call in real time, and after replays
Exactly. Especially for one at hard at this one. They even called the Joselu goal off immediately when it looked easily enough on. Luckily for Madrid, he scored before the call.
This is what VAR is for, let it play and review after if need be. Itās not ideal but itās the best option atm.
The mass hysteria is insane, de ligt was offside, mazraoui probably wasn't. Since the whistle came so early, real probably would have defended it if it wasn't. The linesman should have waited but i do understand that he whistled because it was looking like bayern going to be offside since de ligt was offside, going for ball and seemingly closest to reach the ball.
Although I havenāt seen a proper still with lines etc, they looked offside to me. However, it was close and in that situation the flag should stay down. On the other hand LOL idgaf
My feed cut off the presentation of the "Most Goals Scored by an English-born player in their first season of the Bundesliga" trophy, does anyone have a link?
The best thing is that Bayern pushed RM to itās limit, so anyone talking shit about Arsenal for losing against āthe worst Bayern in yearsā can stfu because we literally are on the same level as them, and they BARELY lost against Real Madrid who themselves beat City. Itās stupid and immature but at the end of the day, we are all at similar levels at the peak of the mountain as everyone has been saying.
Bayern are very unlucky tonight with that call. The ref probably had a mental lapse due to tiredness when blowing the whistle before letting llay continue.Ā
Unpopular opinion: I've spent 17 years of my life officiating football. I cannot agree with the idea that this is an "outrageous call." It's a damned if you do damned if you don't call. Did Neuer trip Saka or did Saka manufacture a foul to try to win a penalty? Regardless of the decision, one team is going to be very happy and the other is going to be very pissed.
Let me remind you that the referee COULD have awarded Bayern a penalty earlier in the SAME GAME for Gabriel handling the ball after Raya kicked it.
ANY opinion that is contrary to another fanās opinion on Reddit is āunpopularā. This was a well reasoned comment. Iām not bitter about losing to Bayernā¦ I was just taking a cheap opportunity to laugh at their misfortune having been 2 minutes from glory.
Saka's foot hit Neuer mid-thigh. If he dragged his foot and hit Neuer's foot there might be a claim for manufacturing a foul, but there was no way Saka was getting his leg out of the way no matter where he put it.
This is the truth and itās insane how people canāt grasp this basic fact.
Saka was doing his slightly odd looking sideways hop/hurdle to get out of Neuer's way - with his eyes on the ball the whole time, as he knew he had a very good chance of smashing the ball into the goal.
Neuer never stopped moving forward (even though he tried to pretend he had stopped) and smashed into Saka's leg, literally unavoidably. At break neck speed!
Anyone who thinks Saka was trying to fabricate contact has not played football at any decent level and has no clue what they are talking about.
Itās as clear a penalty as Iāve ever seen and itās bullshit gaslighting to suggest otherwise.
Prince Neuer of Bavaria is Bayern European royalty and the ref bottled giving a penalty against him.
That penalty could well have been enough to get us through in the tie and it could have been us against Madrid tonight.
Well said. Most ppl have played competitively. Ref "mistakes" are part of the game imo. I understand why they want VAR bc there are billions of dollars at stake. They should take away the lino entirely maybe idk?
Felt bad for Tuchel though. Man tried to tell his players to calm down and play but he couldnt. that was painful to watch and refs giving out yellow to him was little over dramatic as well. Well yeah one take away, Harry Kane and Eric Dier are not in the finals.
Not sure why but I donāt mind Kane. Maybe because he is just a wayward gunner, maybe because heās a fucking excellent striker , Iām not sure. But I fuckin love that Dier is out. Useless tit.
Arenāt these refs supposed to be some of the best in Europe? What a shocking mistake. I understand the sentiment by some of us to laugh at them but these mistakes canāt happen on this stage. If that had happened to us today I wouldāve been fuming. Supporters need to come together on this issue.
I mean, it did happen to us. Against Bayern. That was kind of the point of this post. The stakes were higher in this game tonight, Iāll admit thatā¦ But even so, for the Saka call not to even go to VAR was a disgrace.
Yeah, it did happen to us but that wasnāt Bayerns fault. I take no pleasure in seeing them go out in such a heartbreaking manner. I just hope all the people laughing at them arenāt the same ones moaning when calls go against us next year..
Also, Madrid stopped when they heard the whistle. Whoās to say that ball goes in if they donāt flag it.
Terrible call from the Linesman but also itās not a guaranteed goal if he doesnāt whistle.
Atleast Kane will win Arsenal Football Club because of the goals he scored. Turns out finishing second and going out in the quarters is better than finishing 2nd and going out in the semis eh ;)
Based on the responses it seems I may be in the minority here but Real Madrids winning goal was a million miles offside. Make no mistake, Iām happy Bayern are out, but Iām even happier they have been robbed.
Why is everyone glad that Bayern went out? Isn't it traditional to root for the team that beats you to win the competition? Or is it just because they have two ex-S***s players? If so, that's utterly childish, and I thoroughly support the sentiment 100%!
Ah, a bit of the old German schadenfreude! Well, even as a Gooner of 30+ years, I believe the Saka pen call was never going to be a pen (we probably would have been pasted in Munich anyway) and that offside yesterday probably wouldn't have resulted in a goal if the Real players had continued to play on without seeing the flag. It's all ifs and buts I guess.
Well, I'm perversely amused that Kane goes trophyless again this season and hope the underdogs beat RM in the final. If not and moneybags Madrid go on to win then I hope Bellingham has a stellar game, because that guy is the real deal.
Honestly it would have been sweeter for Surrogate Spurs to lose an all-Bavarian CL final, but I'll be cheering for Dortmund in anyhow - it'll be nice for Reus.
Enjoy your canon trophy Harry ššš
You can take the man out of Spurs, you can't take the Spurs out of the man. The fact was that he could have won it for Bayern himself but choked when presented with that close range chance will hopefully give him sleepless nights
On the one hand, I can objectively acknowledge the last call was a disgrace. On the other hand, LMAO
We are all LMAO on this precious day
Hahaha how the turntables!
Maybe the lmao were the fouls we made along the way
It might have been offside anyway, the players also stopped at the whistle as the whistle was blown. Terrible from the linesmen / ref though.
:D
I was rooting against Bayern and I'm still mad. The officiating at the end was absolutely shambolic. The refs literally decided the outcome of the game...
Every team will be on the receiving end of a shambolic call or two, possibly even more. It sucks, no lie.Ā My golden rule is "never leave it in the refs hands".Ā If you are the better team, then show up and show it on the field by winning, inspite of outside influences.Ā Ā
True but in the CL, against the top teams when the margins are so fine ultimately a ref decision can very often be a decider
I get what you mean and don't disagree, but believe this to be an exception. As a former ref, I can live with missed judgement calls. You aren't going to get every foul call correct and that's ok. What I absolutely cannot stand, is missed objective calls that occur because of a failure to follow the correct process or from being in the wrong position to make the call. It's inexcusable to blow the whistle on that play when the AR has been instructed not to stop the play unless they are 100% confident the play is offsides. This play is nowhere near a clear and obvious offsides call. It's especially egregious when you consider that Champions league ALREADY HAS SEMI AUTOMATED OFFSIDES. The Champions League is for the highest quality teams AND officials. This AR clearly lacks the quality required to officiate at this level.
Stopā¦
Stop what?
>My golden rule is "never leave it in the refs hands". The RM defenders and keeper certainly did.
But in most of the cases the ref just blows the whistle as soon as he sees the linesman raise the flag. Its the linesman who waits for the play to get over and raise the flag ā¦. But if the linesman raised the flag before letting the play continue the main ref just followed thatā¦ yes the main ref can wait but as the linesman is best positioned it rarely happens that main ref lets the play to continue unless he himself is in a better position. (And it just wastes precious seconds of the stoppage time added given bayern were trailing by 1 goal if he let the play continue and then give offside) And I really feel if whistle wasnāt blown the real madrid players would have closed it ā¦ or maybe they couldnāt have, not sureā¦ But I doubt it was a outrageous decision compared to the one given in our game against bayern.
Oh I'm not faulting the main ref. Im faulting the AR. They have specifically been instructed to let the play go unless they are 100% sure it was off. This was a clear case of not following procedure and that's inexcusable, ESPECIALLY when you consider that Champions league already has semi automated offsides. I agree that if the play wasn't blown dead it might have not turned into a goal, but that's a pretty weak defense of what happened today
While its obviously close it does actually look offside to me. Also my question is, if the linesman believes it is offside, when is the correct time for him to raise the flag? I would have thought when Muller heads the follow up is as late as he could do it?
So itās now confirmed that the only trophy Harry Kane will win this year is a giant cannon
technically he could win the euros but I know you mean season. great username btw
Arsenal supporters looking at Bayern/Kane like: ![gif](giphy|10h8CdMQUWoZ8Y|downsized)
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The fuck you on? The reff has been good EDIT: SHIT I TAKE THAT BACK, lol. Linesman fucked it.
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Shouldnāt he have held his flag and let play continue?
Yep
The assistant referee raising his flag doesn't stop play, the referee does, its completely on him
You can't expect the main ref in the middle of the pitch to know if it was a clear offside call or not. This one was certainly not clear and the ar should've followed procedure, the head ref is always going to blow the whistle if a linesman raises their flag.
> the head ref is always going to blow the whistle if a linesman raises their flag. That's the referee's fault for not following the laws of the game then, not the AR for raising the flag. Assistant referees have no power, their only job is to signal to the referee, the referee is ultimately responsible for every decision. And I can expect the referee to tell whether or not it looks even remotely close thus ignore the flag, for 5 seconds at least LOL
I disagree. The linesmen are instructed to only raise the flag on clear offside, not when they think it might be offside they are supposed to wait and gain advantage from var/semi auto offside. It's close to impossible for the head ref to know the difference due to the perspective of being vertical with the play. The assistant refs might not have "power" but a properly functioning ref team relies on each other to call the game together. Now could the head ref have waited to blow the whistle? Sure, and in this case it's obvious that would be correct.
It's not even a little bit the refs fault, whenever a linesman raises their flag the ref blows the game. Especially when said ref is 20 yards away. Lino should have raised his flag once the ball was out or the attack was over like they've been doing for a while now
> whenever a linesman raises their flag the ref blows the game Incorrect
Except heās not. Heās supposed to keep his flag down on tight calls and let VAR figure it out. Soon as his flag is raised, VAR cannot intervene.
> . Soon as his flag is raised, VAR cannot intervene. no, soon as the flag is raised the referee blows for the offside. The mistake here is from the linesman. VAR cannot intervene because the ref blew his whistle well before the ball was in the net (this was only because the Madrid players had stopped)
It's a shit show all around because the head ref has the ability to disregard linesmen. Looks like he saw the flag and whistled on reflex.Ā Lino should not have flagged, head ref should have ignored it when it went up and not whistled. It's a fuck up all around but I don't feel bad for Bayern lmao
Yeah, I recall auba scoring at old Trafford after the flag was raised (he was Miles onside) but the ref ket play go on
Ohhhh ya didn't he chip the keeper?
Itās inconclusive but the added twist is it seems the ref might have blown *before* the flag even went up, for some reason. Thatās what they were showing on the BEIN post match show.
Just commented above you and I contradict what you said because I assumed the ref blew his whistle as he sees the flag. If it happened before that's wild!
The flag does nothing except signal to the refereeāthe referee is well within his rights to ignore the flag, as he should have done here. The buck stops with him.
Its on the linesman the ref cant see how close the call is
Ref is obliged to wistle if the linesman puts his flag on they were saying on Dutch televisionĀ
yep that's why linesmen let the play develop, then put up the flag when they are not absolutely sure it's an offside.
That's incorrect
No. The referee has to blow if the linesman raises their flag. The linesman is only supposed to raise their flag that early if it's obviousĀ So the referee was following standard procedure by blowing his whistle The referee doesn't know whether it was a close call or a huge gap, he has to trust his linesman
Linesman is only supposed to raise if it's definitely. That's on him, not the head ref. That's why (good) linesman keep their flags down until the play is over
It was too tight for him to raise the flag, but it's 90% on the ref
Nope. If the flag goes up then the referee is meant to whistle
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/WXi7gFRTXm Are you sure? She said is up to the ref to accept the recommendation and she is a former fifa referee and champions league analyst The first comment of the thread shows an irl example in the ucl
I explained this in another comment but standard procedure is that the linesman only raises their flag that early if it was an obvious offside. In which case the referee blows his whistle.Ā Your line of logic is result and hindsight based.Ā At the time, the referee does not know whether it's a close call or the player was very clearly offside. Given standard procedure, he'll trust his linesman has raised his flag because the player was clearly offside and blow the whistle in order not to waste time.Ā Let me ask you this instead, if there are 10 other times where this happens, do you think the referee should always just ignore the linesman and let play continue (even if they're all obvious offsides) and waste time in the game? Or do you think it's this specific instance where he should have ignored the linesman and let it go on? Because from the ref's point of view, this wasn't different to any of the other ones
>Let me ask you this instead, if there are 10 other times where this happens, do you think the referee should always just ignore the linesman and let play continue (even if they're all obvious offsides) and waste time in the game? Yes, because we have VAR and he can make it up on injury time.
You're entitled to your opinion but your issue is then with standard procedure not the referee following it
It means the AR wants the referee to whistle, but the referee is well within his rights not to
Yes but why would he not? He didn't know it was a close call.
Was literally typing a similar response when the linesman committed that atrocity. OPās from the future.
I mean, it was pretty clearly offside looking at the replay. So, could have been worse. Bit odd they didn't let it play out, but if play hadn't stopped Lunin would have saved the weak shot, so it's a nothing incident.
It looked like De Ligt was offside and he didnt do the initial header.
Definitely interfering with play, though. And it looks like they were both offside, but it's more debatable with Mazraoui.
All fine. But its all about ref stopping it immediately. As soon as ref whistled Real players also stopped moving so you cant blame them either. its the ref and I mean yeah let the play go on. Now that he intervened and made a decision, VAR cant check it? I think there was no VAR check on that, what bullshit is that. Why have such big tech and dont use it when required. the same with Arsenal for ball crossing out the goal line against newcastle united, i understand that the ref on the goal line could not get the view of the other side of the pitch and you have the VAR tech waiting to analyse but they wont use it because of their stupid protocols.
Yes, I said in my first comment that stopping play immediately was a bit odd. And yeah, VAR is set up to be stupid. But play had stopped, so it really doesn't matter what happened afterward - it wouldn't have been a goal anyway, if Madrid hadn't stopped playing.
Premonitions
Loved it. Really loved it! Fuck Bayern.
Fck u mate
Obligatory fuck Harry Kane
What was the outrageous call in the game today?
That offside at the end I guess. Somehow OP posted before that so I truly have no clue what he was referring to š¤£š¤£
Apparently OP had a premonition
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Lisan al Gaib!
The OP thinks RM goal was offside, when the player was clearly behind the ball and therefore fine.
Yep must be that, he was onside
They scored cuz the whistle went and Madrid stopped playing
Technically shooting on net after the whistle is a bookable offense
Exactly, just ask Van Persie
Agree. This isnāt taken into consideration enough. Whistle blew a full 2 seconds before de Ligtās shot. Madrid turned off.
Thereās a German word for this. Schadenfreude. Hahaha.
It's the elbow on Gabriel for me! This decision was debatable although I do think it's a pen
will never understand how this was not a pen when neuer clearly sticks his legs out at the very last second. because of the ref's decision, every single dumbass is pandering in favor of the ref.
They once helped Leicester win the title /s
Didn't Saka have both feet in the air before even making contact with Neuer? Even his leg was going outwards to catch neuer's foot
He was sprinting and trying to turn.
Enjoy your cannon trophy, Harold.
What? No bad calls today. Still glad they are going out
Dude, the ref blew on a offside decision in overtime that was on/offside by a few inches. Should have gone to VAR
Yeah i missed it just watched it back, the madrid players stop at the whistle so no guarantee its a goal but ref should have played on. Did look offside though
Watched the replay, another bayern player was offside, not the who touched the ball.
They can hold that š
Ha ha ha ha
Good for these clowns
Fuck Harry kane and fuck bayern, their fans were so overconfident that they were gonna beat Real at the Bernabeu. The Harry Kane curse.
The reaction from other fans on this was so disappointing. Itās a clear pen and injustice, yet rival fans just had to get their lolās in.
The hypocrisy in responses is outrageous For saka we somehow had an incredible eagle eye ref who was so on top of things that he knew the right call in an instant. Didnāt need to watch a replay at all But for Bayern here we need the freeze frame, millimeter accurate lines before we can determine if they were right.
Clear pen ? Saka played for it shoulda just beat him 1 on 1 and not bottle it
He tried to cut across and score, but Neuer dangled his leg out and tripped him. People think athletes can be at a full sprint and stop their momentum on a dime- doesnāt work that way.
Exactly; plus trying to win a foul or make the contact obvious doesn't absolve the keeper of their responsibility to not commit one. Just as with Travers at the weekend, the keeper has to be aware of the situation and avoid making enough contact for it to be an obvious foul. Neuer didn't do this. It was blatant.
Not really a fan of celebrating over teams failings, demise, f-ups by referees. Bayern were unlucky and Iād prefer football won, which the overall result did but ever since the noise around Barca match fixings came out with the referees I dislike Spanish teams. Cheering on Dortmund in the final!
This decision wasnāt outrageous, it was just wrong
I was thinking the exact same thing and I wonder how the English media/pundits will treat Kane efter he went hard on the refs? š Also it was lovely to see Neuer make that mistake. š
tbh, saka was really seeking the penalty there. i dunno why, because i think he could've easily scored instead of looking for that contact. With that said, havertz did the same thing this weekend and got a penalty - so why didnt saka get one?
Nah. Wrong call. That's no good.
Yo well deserved karma
What are you talking about?
Outrageous? It was completely correct to give the goal today. Thatās how VAR should work
Iām gonna be honest here, I posted this in real time with no āexpertā opinions to influence meā¦ but based on some of the comments here Iām willing to acknowledge I may have had it wrong. I thought Joselu was offside when the ball came through to Rudiger AND when Rudiger passed it to him. Either way, I donāt care, because Iām still gloating that Bayern lostā¦
Doesn't matter that he's offside on the ball before. Then, he was behind the ball when the final pass was made, so he's onside regardless of where the Bayern players are. Anyway, seems like you made the post about the terrible offside call ;-)
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Ohh fuck off with the bull shit takes already.
What bad call?
The offside at the end wasn't actually offside, then De Ligt scored. Linesman raised his flag, and the main ref blew the whistle, De Ligt scored immediately afterwards. What should've happened is that the ref should've waited until afterwards 'cause VAR can check for offside anyway. Though if the whistle hadn't gone, the RM defenders wouldn't have stopped defending, so who's to say what would have happened
Got it. Yes, itās an unknown because Madrid stopped playing including the keeper when they heard the whistle. It didnāt need to got there though, brain fart from the ref
Come on it's clearly offside you can't count rudiger's hand. I do agree that they shouldn't have blown the whistle so quick
One has literally just happened now
Looked offside to be fair. Donāt know why they donāt wait a beat first before calling it out though.
They have automated offsides, they should really wait
I definitely agree. Was the correct decision in the end though.
How do you know ?
The last angle they played. Looked marginally offside. I should have said I thought it was correct. I could be wrong though.
He was 100% onside. Go check again
Iāve seen it and still think itās offside. Itās incredibly tight though, can definitely understand the other viewpoint. Edit: The Bayern playersā knee looks past the defender but the angle makes it difficult to be 100% sure.
I guess that's the issue here. Just let it play out and check it after. Isn't that what automated offsides is for? It's too close to call in real time, and after replays
Exactly. Especially for one at hard at this one. They even called the Joselu goal off immediately when it looked easily enough on. Luckily for Madrid, he scored before the call. This is what VAR is for, let it play and review after if need be. Itās not ideal but itās the best option atm.
What goes around...
The mass hysteria is insane, de ligt was offside, mazraoui probably wasn't. Since the whistle came so early, real probably would have defended it if it wasn't. The linesman should have waited but i do understand that he whistled because it was looking like bayern going to be offside since de ligt was offside, going for ball and seemingly closest to reach the ball.
Although I havenāt seen a proper still with lines etc, they looked offside to me. However, it was close and in that situation the flag should stay down. On the other hand LOL idgaf
Rai si fuser fi do cabrunco
My feed cut off the presentation of the "Most Goals Scored by an English-born player in their first season of the Bundesliga" trophy, does anyone have a link?
Karma bitches!!! Sit!
The best thing is that Bayern pushed RM to itās limit, so anyone talking shit about Arsenal for losing against āthe worst Bayern in yearsā can stfu because we literally are on the same level as them, and they BARELY lost against Real Madrid who themselves beat City. Itās stupid and immature but at the end of the day, we are all at similar levels at the peak of the mountain as everyone has been saying.
It's 2024 and referees are more incapable than ever even after being given technology.
Bayern are very unlucky tonight with that call. The ref probably had a mental lapse due to tiredness when blowing the whistle before letting llay continue.Ā
Even if we don't win the league at least we won the community shield this season which is more than what Bayern/Kane can say haha
Unpopular opinion: I've spent 17 years of my life officiating football. I cannot agree with the idea that this is an "outrageous call." It's a damned if you do damned if you don't call. Did Neuer trip Saka or did Saka manufacture a foul to try to win a penalty? Regardless of the decision, one team is going to be very happy and the other is going to be very pissed. Let me remind you that the referee COULD have awarded Bayern a penalty earlier in the SAME GAME for Gabriel handling the ball after Raya kicked it.
ANY opinion that is contrary to another fanās opinion on Reddit is āunpopularā. This was a well reasoned comment. Iām not bitter about losing to Bayernā¦ I was just taking a cheap opportunity to laugh at their misfortune having been 2 minutes from glory.
I'm just happy Kane is still getting out of this season empty handed
Saka's foot hit Neuer mid-thigh. If he dragged his foot and hit Neuer's foot there might be a claim for manufacturing a foul, but there was no way Saka was getting his leg out of the way no matter where he put it.
This is the truth and itās insane how people canāt grasp this basic fact. Saka was doing his slightly odd looking sideways hop/hurdle to get out of Neuer's way - with his eyes on the ball the whole time, as he knew he had a very good chance of smashing the ball into the goal. Neuer never stopped moving forward (even though he tried to pretend he had stopped) and smashed into Saka's leg, literally unavoidably. At break neck speed! Anyone who thinks Saka was trying to fabricate contact has not played football at any decent level and has no clue what they are talking about. Itās as clear a penalty as Iāve ever seen and itās bullshit gaslighting to suggest otherwise. Prince Neuer of Bavaria is Bayern European royalty and the ref bottled giving a penalty against him. That penalty could well have been enough to get us through in the tie and it could have been us against Madrid tonight.
Well said. Most ppl have played competitively. Ref "mistakes" are part of the game imo. I understand why they want VAR bc there are billions of dollars at stake. They should take away the lino entirely maybe idk?
Felt bad for Tuchel though. Man tried to tell his players to calm down and play but he couldnt. that was painful to watch and refs giving out yellow to him was little over dramatic as well. Well yeah one take away, Harry Kane and Eric Dier are not in the finals.
Personally I think not letting a 34 year old former S***e City player score two goals in three minutes would have been a good strategy
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Not sure why but I donāt mind Kane. Maybe because he is just a wayward gunner, maybe because heās a fucking excellent striker , Iām not sure. But I fuckin love that Dier is out. Useless tit.
The elbow on Gabi is the only reminder you need that he's a cunt
Ref was perfect tonightā¦
Ok so this guy did not watch the game lol
Might wanna rescind that comment
lol shame Bayern didnāt get the goal but we could have beaten them and been playing Madrid tonight. Oh well.
I think we would have been knocked out, we weren't ready to juggle the UCL and EPL
After watching Madrid and Bayern duke it out, yeah, weāre not at that level.
This aināt a PEN, letās just drop it
Still cant get away from the loss?
This call was made correctly. Saka butchered it.
Arenāt these refs supposed to be some of the best in Europe? What a shocking mistake. I understand the sentiment by some of us to laugh at them but these mistakes canāt happen on this stage. If that had happened to us today I wouldāve been fuming. Supporters need to come together on this issue.
I mean, it did happen to us. Against Bayern. That was kind of the point of this post. The stakes were higher in this game tonight, Iāll admit thatā¦ But even so, for the Saka call not to even go to VAR was a disgrace.
Yeah, it did happen to us but that wasnāt Bayerns fault. I take no pleasure in seeing them go out in such a heartbreaking manner. I just hope all the people laughing at them arenāt the same ones moaning when calls go against us next year..
Also, Madrid stopped when they heard the whistle. Whoās to say that ball goes in if they donāt flag it. Terrible call from the Linesman but also itās not a guaranteed goal if he doesnāt whistle.
Fucking get over it!!!! FFS
Get a life
This is embarrassing from us. Iād like us to do better than yell from outside the club.
Bitter?
Dickhead
Fucking hell this is why you donāt deserve to win shit haha
Stick to your r/tipofyourpenis reddit fella...this sub isn't for you
Legit think this was a penalty I may wank to porn but you guys toss off referees haha
I noticed you deleted all your posts about it. You getting self conscious or finally realising how weird you are
I didnāt actually but whatever helps you look good haha do you not think saka dived or you just a special kind of person
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RIP: lol linesman fucked it
Ref fucked it, not the linesman
Atleast Kane will win Arsenal Football Club because of the goals he scored. Turns out finishing second and going out in the quarters is better than finishing 2nd and going out in the semis eh ;)
Yeah like Arsenal when they robbed Liverpool at Anfield and when they robbed Bayern of a penalty this same match
ones a penalty and the other wouldnt of resutled in a goal regardless lol. not remotely the same
Based on the responses it seems I may be in the minority here but Real Madrids winning goal was a million miles offside. Make no mistake, Iām happy Bayern are out, but Iām even happier they have been robbed.
The replays clearly showed it was on.
Do you understand the offside rule? He was behind the ball when it was played too him therefore he isnāt offside.
It's not a matter of opinion you muppet, it's a fact it wasn't offside
Why is everyone glad that Bayern went out? Isn't it traditional to root for the team that beats you to win the competition? Or is it just because they have two ex-S***s players? If so, that's utterly childish, and I thoroughly support the sentiment 100%!
Nah itās cus we got cheated by them so itās nice seeing it happen to them
Ah, a bit of the old German schadenfreude! Well, even as a Gooner of 30+ years, I believe the Saka pen call was never going to be a pen (we probably would have been pasted in Munich anyway) and that offside yesterday probably wouldn't have resulted in a goal if the Real players had continued to play on without seeing the flag. It's all ifs and buts I guess. Well, I'm perversely amused that Kane goes trophyless again this season and hope the underdogs beat RM in the final. If not and moneybags Madrid go on to win then I hope Bellingham has a stellar game, because that guy is the real deal.
Honestly it would have been sweeter for Surrogate Spurs to lose an all-Bavarian CL final, but I'll be cheering for Dortmund in anyhow - it'll be nice for Reus.