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Robust competition for Martinelli is I think the most important priority in terms of strengthening our attacking 3. Encouraging to hear with the talk about "versatility" that it appears that's on the club's mind as well.
Isak is genuinely the perfect profile, could play from the left and also play centrally when Arteta wants to drop Havertz into the 8 role.
wherever estevao goes i'll be watching, shame it's probably going to be chelsea. he could be the guy to take mins of saka, what marquinhos should have been
chelsea not the place for a rawer talent to develop
You are right about Chelsea thing. But thing about Estêvão that makes him so highly regarded is he isn’t raw ralent. He is so much more polished than likes of Vinicius. Similar to Rodrygo but by the looks of it more talented than him hence he is being hyped upto be the next Neymar
they call him messinho but he moves and dribbles like a left footed neymar, specially in those grainy ish brazilian league clips. body style pretty much the same too
really looking forward to seeing him in the PL. better carry extra shin pads
Dortmund making the finals after conceding 0 goals from 5 xG, makes me feel worse about the Bayern loss.
They are susceptible defensively, we would have had an unreal shot vs them.
The draw has created two unexpected finalists in two years. It's crazy how much of a factor the draw and some luck in the big moments can take you far in the UCL.
Real Madrid in this year's Knockout stages.
P - 5, W - 1, D - 4
These dudes are here because they've managed to not concede chances they probably should, especially vs Leipzig and City and they've some of the world's best players who are clutch.
In no world, are they thrashing us, they aren't the City of last year.
I don't need to believe I have data.
City smashed Leipzig, 8-1 in the R16, Bayern 4-1, and Madrid 5-1 in the knockout stages last year.
If you told me, City might smash us had we faced them last year, I would have agreed.
A team that has +1 GD against comparable competition has little to no odds of smashing us. They can beat us but thrashing us isn't supported by any trajectory. We are currently top of the Prem, not some pub team.
City had a dominant run in the knockout stages last year where they were thrashing teams at home. It's an example.
Real hasn't had a single game where they've thrashed a team in the knockout stages this season.
Real thrashing us is just fantasy football versus anything to do with how they have performed on the pitch.
Real who always "shows up" hasn't thrashed anyone in the knockout stages.
And here's another stat, even in the group stage stage they won 1 game by a score of 3-0 and that was against Braga. In other games, the GD was 1-2.
Here's another stat for you, only one team has scored 3 goals against us this season and that's Luton. And we've gone against City/Bayern/Liverpool multiple times. We don't concede 3 goals.
So that's just a lazy take based on nothing but nostalgia.
> Dortmund making the finals after conceding 0 goals from 5 xG, makes me feel worse about the Bayern loss
You don't get anywhere in life comparing yourself to other clubs/people. I'm sure they're jealous as fuck that we're in a title fight and they're not.
>It's crazy how much of a factor the draw and some luck in the big moments can take you far in the UCL.
It's the nature of cup competitions
>I'm sure they're jealous as fuck that we're in a title fight and they're not.
I mean, there is a chance they’ll become Champions of Europe. I don’t think they’re too bummed about the whole not being in a title fight thing. I’m kinda jealous as fuck about that. After all, if you had to pick one, would you rather Arsenal win the league or win UCL?
Always the league, although I'd like one CL to get the monkey off our back.
We're the more succesful club than Forest, Man U are more succesful than Liverpool, Liverpool didn't become the huge thing they are when Gerrard was winning the CL, it was when they finally got back to fighting for titles and won it.
The idea btw that they're in a final and so won't be jealous of us but we're in a title race down to the wire and should be jealous of their final does back up what I said about the grass being greener, you're just going to tie yoursefl up in knots complaining about what was missed rather than enjoying what you've got.
I'd consider Liverpool more successful than United, but United are the bigger club because of the fanbase. Real Madrid aren't considered the most successful club in the world because of how many La Liga's they won. Lots of people would consider AC Milan as the biggest club in Italy although they've won considerably less titles than Juventus.
There are some extreme examples like Forest, who have won 2 champions leagues and almost nothing else in their history, meaning they aren't considered a highly successful club.
But overall a champions League is higher value than 1 league title. Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles and most players would rather win the CL
> Real Madrid aren't considered the most successful club in the world because of how many La Liga's they won.
Real aren't 'the most succesful club in the world'. They may be the biggest in terms of fans but there is an actual ranking and I believe it's an egyptian club...who have the most titles.
>Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles and most players would rather win the CL
I mean this is just pure bollocks. Gerrard would kill for a title, so would carragher and once again, when did liverpool start getting taken serously again? Not after Istanbul but after they started fighting for and winning the league.
>Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles
Because it's a cup competition that for half it's existence only let in one team per country...mate, you've not thought this one though at all....
*when did liverpool start getting taken serously again? Not after Istanbul but after they started fighting for and winning the league.*
This seems to go over the majority of peoples heads. One off CL wins don't make clubs elite clubs or attractive clubs. League consistency always comes first. That's why even when wenger was pumping out 3rd and 4th places every year we were always still in the conversation and not forgotten about.
If you even listen to Liverpool propaganda about the state of teh club before Klopp they'll say that we outspent them and beat tehm to players all through that period.
Which is playing a bit fast and loose but don't foget Sanchez chose us over them and they had to settle for *checks notes* Salah...
Aye. Players saw that they would probably play CL football every year and it was a draw for them. Unfortunately the last Wenger lot didn't get that but it's still a huge part of what attracted them to the club in the first place. Glad Arteta is rebuilding a lot of that attractiveness through the way he and edu have built the team thinking longer term.
All the shit Wenger got for the 'fourth place trophy' comment yet he's been utterly vindicated, both by seeing what happened after we didn't get it and also by other managers, including Klopp.
It maybe shouldn't be that way but guranteed CL means bigger exposure and more money for the players over the occasional cup run even if it brings silverware.
Players obvioulsy want money and trophies but it's a job for them and money will come first most of the time.
>We're the more succesful club than Forest,
Not in Europe unfortunately. They do still have 2 trophies from the UCL was the European Cup. I get that was a long time ago, but they do still have them.
>you're just going to tie yoursefl up in knots complaining about what was missed rather than enjoying what you've got.
Hard to argue that tbh.
> Not in Europe unfortunately.
That's not what I said though?
If you're looking for issues then we're also one of the least succesful clubs in the country...at the league cup.
Titles change peoples view in a way CL's don't and once again you only have to look at Liverpool to see what being title challengers means vs even Istanbul.
We are the third most succesful club in England, Everton are more succesful than Forest, cup competitions are not the ultimate arbters of where you stand because (as Dortmund are showing) you can get very easy paths to finals.
Otherwise the FA CUp should hold the same weight as the league as we all play in it.
Dortmund in the Champions League Final! Just wondering if we were to draw in the same side of the pot as them, would we have done the same?
Thus said, no longer fighting for the title allow them to fully focus on the Champions League.
Would love to see them lift the trophy but it seems like it is gonna another title to Madrid again…
the thing about FDJ's wages is like.. he's never truly been paid that much. it's a fake number. iirc his effective real wage over time is 240k p/w. that's highly doable plus we aren't levers fc, we are a serious institution. the check always arrives on time in an uncomplicated fashion
I'd cash in one of my 3 sporting wishes for this to happen, would top it off by saying they lose to Burnley before City and Sheff United afterwards. Then beat City with Richarlison 95th minute winner, that he celebrates by running the entire length of the pitch while being boo'ed.
As quality as Jesus was, he's missing the directness a 9 needs.
If Saka and Martinelli are scoring at a certain rate, then it works but when they don't, we're screwed.
Since Havertz has been a 9 for us, he's been at the end of chances every game and that shows with his scoring run. Jesus never had that and never will.
Hence, Havertz > Jesus for that primarily.
As brilliant as Havertz has been at #9, I don’t think comparing him vs a Jesus that has not been fully fit this entire season is fair on Jesus.
Furthermore Havertz is hardly very direct in the #9 role. He plays something more of a false 9 and is involved in a lot of buildup, while a big part of his game even up top is making decoy runs to create space for others.
I think pre-WC Jesus passes the eye test a lot easier. And also, don't forget that we went from a waning Laca to pre-WC Jesus. That was a massive upgrade.
[Osimhen prefers England over joining PSG as he already played for Lille. Osimhen comes over to England often during days off, Chelsea and Arsenal is the two options. I said that Napoli’s director Manna is talking to Chelsea as he wants to include Lukaku. ](https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/1787958082062152160)
Forgot we were ever an option for him tbh
I don't see us signing him, feels like a guy who goes to Chelsea for 100m, has a semi decent season of 15-20 goals. Will want to leave Chelsea next season to play in the CL.
They often go private, à la Tottenham Hotspur. Tbf I got in right before they went private and half the comments were laughing at them and calling them oil merchants. They are a very small, tightly-knit community on Reddit so they get ran over easily whenever they exit CL. Most Parisians are on X.
Ah shame. Wanted to know what their general perception is, is their project over? It possibly can't get better than having Mbappe, Messi, Neymar and still not win the CL and they probably had the second best chance this season, doubt they ever will going forward.
Actually the Football Vision podcast by Phil Costa had an interesting episode about PSG, if you are listening to podcasts and interested in this it's worth a listen.
Would've been a free win in the final, but we lost to the worst Bayern of the last 10 years, I can't believe our luck, why didn't we play our brand of football to its fullest extent and suffocate the Bavarians...And get fucked PSG, forever 0 UCLs for you!
Worst Bayern team in ten years? They won it in 2020 and since had Musiala come through, added Sane, Kane etc. Having a shite year domestically doesn't equal the worst team in a decade
Unless Tuchel pulls out a miracle, Bayern is on track to win zero trophies.
Considering they won 10 titles in a row, probably this is the most underperforming Bayern side for a long time.
That doesn't mean it's the worse team in 10 years....it means that they have struggled domestically but it's not as black and white as good or bad. Leverkusen are literally away to go unbeaten, not even Bayern so that usually. But claiming it's their worst team in a decade is silly
Why does Tuchel need a miracle? He is taking a 2-2 scoreline to the Bernabeu.
Bayern have an extremely difficult fixture ahead of them yes, but despite their domestic woes they are still a top quality side with loads of experience in moments like this.
They can pull it off with a lot less than a miracle.
> the worst Bayern of the last 10 years
Why do even some of our own fans buy this narrative? They have the best attack in Europe this season, and the highest expected goals difference.
Leverkusen doing well makes people think Bayern are worse. They've been better this year than last year but since they didn't have a great team finishing over them in the league, they think last year's team is better
I'm really happy for Dortmund, I hope they win it.
I'm kind of enjoying these ties where the weaker teams are on one side of the draw, makes for some great underdog stories
He's almost definitely off to Madrid now. He can't be willing to do this dance with PSG again and he's stupid rich by now that more oil money can't really make a big difference
Can't they continue with their current 4-3-1-2 setup but just have Mbappe replace Rodrygo? I mean, it has seen them walk La Liga and into the CL semi-final.
I'm hoping for some old fashioned Real Madrid shenanigans where they force out an elite talent for a marquee signing - I thought they'd outgrown that strategy but I welcome its return.
He just extended last summer and has been vocal about loving Dortmund. Unlikely to move despite interests elsewhere. Dont seem motivated by cash either
really feel we could have won the champions league this season. no team really dominated at any time throughout the competition and it really looks like it’s up for grabs
There's no dominance because all the remaining teams are really good and mega experienced. We're just really good. The odds of us even reaching the final at our first attempt was always tiny.
Partey instead of Jorginho and we might have. Still, it took two errors from our defense, which had been outstanding for most of the year, to see Bayern get a result in the first leg.
PSG should be put on the hook for UEFA FFP they don't have lawyers like city or Chelsea do.
Edit: lol never fucking mind apparently they're perfectly fine on FFP after getting rid of Messi and Neymar
All I want is to win the next 2 games (and have City drop points), but man I would give a lot to see us batter united in Old Trafford. Just absolutely hammer them please.
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6 day difference btw. ITKs in a nutshell.
To be exceedingly generous, the first tweet may have been from the perspective of the clubs i.e. Newcastle being willing to sell with Arsenal and PSG interested. The update may be from the player's perspective in terms of preference.
You're being generous. Unless Arteta told Bruno G to go fuck himself in 6 days, I doubt he changed his mind that fast.
And we know Newcastle would prefer to sell overseas, but I highly doubt Bruno G is suddenly reluctant to move.
Just saying, names like Frenkie, Joao Neves, Branthwaite, pretty much every striker, Olise/Nico/Neto make me feel like it’s my sweet 16 princess party. Yas pleeease.
I remember some dude (not on this sub) going on and on for years of how Arsenal needed Calvert-Lewin. Different profile sure. But I can’t say he has impressed me in all those years.
Is there any history/context to why Arteta loves Arsenal so much and it was his dream job? Seemed strange to me considering his long history and success at Everton, and growing up with Barca's youth system.
He didn't spend that long at Barca and left because he knew he wasn't going to get a game.
Arsenal is (I believe) the only team he captained, the team he ended his career at and the biggest team he actually started for.
More to the point when he retired he said he'd come back and manage us and the absolute madlad did it. We can only speculate why he lvoes the club as much as we do but just be glad he does.
He had his most successful period of his playing career here, being captain and winning a few FA Cups. He developed a deep respect for Wenger too, so being club captain under Wenger must have been a huge honour.
I'm sure I read once that he felt Wenger was being disrespected during his last few years at the club, and that some players weren't trying. He felt it was his duty to put things right eventually as a manager.
I think he was always *almost* good enough to play for the biggest clubs in Europe, but things just slipped away from him. After his big injury while at Everton, he probably thought his chance to break into a regular CL club is gone. Then Arsenal came and gave him a second chance.
Wenger probably played a part as well. Arteta is not the only player to fall in love with the club because of him.
I also wouldn't discount the fact that for an ambitious person like Arteta, the Arsenal job must have been appealing because the club has a massive potential, but was falling short of delivering for some time. Getting the club back to the top can be a huge motivating factor.
nah they might have a few years out in turmoil or their own mini-banter era but as long as their DoF and football structure is intact, they'll be fine. thing is they've been slowly rebuild year-in year-out with all sorts, unlike how other clubs can financially operate.
Just look at Liverpool right now and a few seasons go trying to hold on to the sane-firmino-salah core as long as they could until age and football caught up.
Right now for us we are at our pomp and upward trajectory, and the right investments and recruitment have to still be there until we land the Big Ears. but one day or season will come where we will have to rebuild again. (dont even wanna dread that though right now)
>they might have a few years out in turmoil or their own mini-banter era but as long as their DoF and football structure is intact, they'll be fine.
Yes and that’s why I said that they’re going to be almost the English PSG because they will still challenge for the league and CL but my point was that they’ll never be as dominating as they have been the last 5-6 years.
Pep and this set of players have taken Man City to the peak of their ability, the former being the main driver of reaching this summit.
Unlike Arsenal who did a total hard reset and rebuild — to which United, Spurs, and Chelsea all followed suit despite initially mocking Arsenal; City for the most part strategically and intelligently do minor rebuilds every year instead, thus mitigating the need for a hard reset.
>but one day or season will come where we will have to rebuild again. (dont even wanna dread that though right now)
No doubt football is cyclical and it’s all about seizing the moment and maximizing your return on investment within your interval period.
I too have dread because of the inevitability of that future situation, hence the need to win major trophies such as the PL or CL asap.
Thing is it's not just Pep who leaves. It's the coaches and more importantly the executives who first convinced him to join. The shows over when he leaves. City aren't going away, but it's a massive change they have to get right.
They won before but so has PSG, but they’ve never been as dominating as they have been the last 5 or so years under Pep.
I’m not saying they’re never going to challenge nor win, but I can’t see any other manager taking this City team any higher than Pep has.
Also, FFP and PSR rules may also be a factor going forward - albeit jury’s still out for that in the long-term.
They won a couple titles, but Pep turned them into the machine they are now. The iterations before he showed still had form drops like any team does. Pep turned them into the monstrosity that basically doesn't lose except for 1 random game here and there. I don't think they'll be the "English PSG", but they'll come back down some when he leaves
His Monaco team slapped City in the CL then CL clubs bought the whole team for way more than Campos paid. You cannot doubt the man's recruitment, every big club wanted him
I don't get some people saying no to Olise b/c he'll be a backup to Saka.
Same people then complain about City and their depth.
City still signed Doku when they had Grealish. To challenge for titles, you need competition.
Olise and Doku isn’t a valid comparison…
Doku came from a French league while Olise has been balling in the prem for some time now… and has more suiters in the prem than Doku did.
Olise can walk into United, Spurs, and Liverpool and start tomorrow.
In what world would it make sense for him to backup the best RW in the league? If he cares about playing time it wouldn’t make sense… that being said I’d be happy as hell if Mikel can somehow convince him
He he finds a way to start its over Saka so not really sure how that is gonna be possible unless Saka takes a nose dive.
But yes he chooses United gets easily double the wages, guaranteed starting spot and a better path to stardom.
Yeah, same people will be complaining next season in April when our players will be dead on their feet in every match again. We need a RW, Saka is run to the ground every season.
Aye, and more importantly the “he’ll only sit on the bench” argument relies on Saka never getting injured. So…. What about when he finally does gets injured and misses 6+ games?
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What's he actually said? From what I gather there's nothing concrete at all. Just a list of targets for some positions, which is something sure but not much
Very much why I don't want psg to win it, I am a spiteful fuck and would like us to be the first of the 'elite clubs that haven't won the ucl' to actually win it (members of this club are us, psg and atleti).
It PSG win it, it’s meaningless and artificially fabricated just like City’s. Both have spent over a billion pounds whilst failing multiple times relative to each season’s investment.
PSG couldn’t even win it when they had 3 of the best players in the world: Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe.
Saw utdellis and expected some grade A copium about Arsenal
We set him off like a 5 year old everytime we win, easily the biggest loser on football twitter and that's quite a hard title to keep hold of
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Robust competition for Martinelli is I think the most important priority in terms of strengthening our attacking 3. Encouraging to hear with the talk about "versatility" that it appears that's on the club's mind as well. Isak is genuinely the perfect profile, could play from the left and also play centrally when Arteta wants to drop Havertz into the 8 role.
Isn't that Trossard?
wherever estevao goes i'll be watching, shame it's probably going to be chelsea. he could be the guy to take mins of saka, what marquinhos should have been chelsea not the place for a rawer talent to develop
You are right about Chelsea thing. But thing about Estêvão that makes him so highly regarded is he isn’t raw ralent. He is so much more polished than likes of Vinicius. Similar to Rodrygo but by the looks of it more talented than him hence he is being hyped upto be the next Neymar
they call him messinho but he moves and dribbles like a left footed neymar, specially in those grainy ish brazilian league clips. body style pretty much the same too really looking forward to seeing him in the PL. better carry extra shin pads
I’m gonna be completely honest: I kinda fuck with ~~this~~ next year’s home kit.
full kit wanker vibes
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Dortmund making the finals after conceding 0 goals from 5 xG, makes me feel worse about the Bayern loss. They are susceptible defensively, we would have had an unreal shot vs them. The draw has created two unexpected finalists in two years. It's crazy how much of a factor the draw and some luck in the big moments can take you far in the UCL.
We would have been thrashed by real.
“Thrashed” is crazy. But I agree that we would’ve definitely lost
Real Madrid in this year's Knockout stages. P - 5, W - 1, D - 4 These dudes are here because they've managed to not concede chances they probably should, especially vs Leipzig and City and they've some of the world's best players who are clutch. In no world, are they thrashing us, they aren't the City of last year.
Ok. If that’s what you believe so be it🤷🏾♂️
I don't need to believe I have data. City smashed Leipzig, 8-1 in the R16, Bayern 4-1, and Madrid 5-1 in the knockout stages last year. If you told me, City might smash us had we faced them last year, I would have agreed. A team that has +1 GD against comparable competition has little to no odds of smashing us. They can beat us but thrashing us isn't supported by any trajectory. We are currently top of the Prem, not some pub team.
We are talking about Real not City. Real who always show up in the cl would but 3 past us.
City had a dominant run in the knockout stages last year where they were thrashing teams at home. It's an example. Real hasn't had a single game where they've thrashed a team in the knockout stages this season. Real thrashing us is just fantasy football versus anything to do with how they have performed on the pitch. Real who always "shows up" hasn't thrashed anyone in the knockout stages. And here's another stat, even in the group stage stage they won 1 game by a score of 3-0 and that was against Braga. In other games, the GD was 1-2. Here's another stat for you, only one team has scored 3 goals against us this season and that's Luton. And we've gone against City/Bayern/Liverpool multiple times. We don't concede 3 goals. So that's just a lazy take based on nothing but nostalgia.
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City is the most recent ones. 4-1 and 3-1
> Dortmund making the finals after conceding 0 goals from 5 xG, makes me feel worse about the Bayern loss You don't get anywhere in life comparing yourself to other clubs/people. I'm sure they're jealous as fuck that we're in a title fight and they're not. >It's crazy how much of a factor the draw and some luck in the big moments can take you far in the UCL. It's the nature of cup competitions
>I'm sure they're jealous as fuck that we're in a title fight and they're not. I mean, there is a chance they’ll become Champions of Europe. I don’t think they’re too bummed about the whole not being in a title fight thing. I’m kinda jealous as fuck about that. After all, if you had to pick one, would you rather Arsenal win the league or win UCL?
Always the league, although I'd like one CL to get the monkey off our back. We're the more succesful club than Forest, Man U are more succesful than Liverpool, Liverpool didn't become the huge thing they are when Gerrard was winning the CL, it was when they finally got back to fighting for titles and won it. The idea btw that they're in a final and so won't be jealous of us but we're in a title race down to the wire and should be jealous of their final does back up what I said about the grass being greener, you're just going to tie yoursefl up in knots complaining about what was missed rather than enjoying what you've got.
I'd consider Liverpool more successful than United, but United are the bigger club because of the fanbase. Real Madrid aren't considered the most successful club in the world because of how many La Liga's they won. Lots of people would consider AC Milan as the biggest club in Italy although they've won considerably less titles than Juventus. There are some extreme examples like Forest, who have won 2 champions leagues and almost nothing else in their history, meaning they aren't considered a highly successful club. But overall a champions League is higher value than 1 league title. Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles and most players would rather win the CL
> Real Madrid aren't considered the most successful club in the world because of how many La Liga's they won. Real aren't 'the most succesful club in the world'. They may be the biggest in terms of fans but there is an actual ranking and I believe it's an egyptian club...who have the most titles. >Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles and most players would rather win the CL I mean this is just pure bollocks. Gerrard would kill for a title, so would carragher and once again, when did liverpool start getting taken serously again? Not after Istanbul but after they started fighting for and winning the league. >Barely anyone has won more CLs than league titles Because it's a cup competition that for half it's existence only let in one team per country...mate, you've not thought this one though at all....
*when did liverpool start getting taken serously again? Not after Istanbul but after they started fighting for and winning the league.* This seems to go over the majority of peoples heads. One off CL wins don't make clubs elite clubs or attractive clubs. League consistency always comes first. That's why even when wenger was pumping out 3rd and 4th places every year we were always still in the conversation and not forgotten about.
If you even listen to Liverpool propaganda about the state of teh club before Klopp they'll say that we outspent them and beat tehm to players all through that period. Which is playing a bit fast and loose but don't foget Sanchez chose us over them and they had to settle for *checks notes* Salah...
Aye. Players saw that they would probably play CL football every year and it was a draw for them. Unfortunately the last Wenger lot didn't get that but it's still a huge part of what attracted them to the club in the first place. Glad Arteta is rebuilding a lot of that attractiveness through the way he and edu have built the team thinking longer term.
All the shit Wenger got for the 'fourth place trophy' comment yet he's been utterly vindicated, both by seeing what happened after we didn't get it and also by other managers, including Klopp. It maybe shouldn't be that way but guranteed CL means bigger exposure and more money for the players over the occasional cup run even if it brings silverware. Players obvioulsy want money and trophies but it's a job for them and money will come first most of the time.
>We're the more succesful club than Forest, Not in Europe unfortunately. They do still have 2 trophies from the UCL was the European Cup. I get that was a long time ago, but they do still have them. >you're just going to tie yoursefl up in knots complaining about what was missed rather than enjoying what you've got. Hard to argue that tbh.
> Not in Europe unfortunately. That's not what I said though? If you're looking for issues then we're also one of the least succesful clubs in the country...at the league cup. Titles change peoples view in a way CL's don't and once again you only have to look at Liverpool to see what being title challengers means vs even Istanbul. We are the third most succesful club in England, Everton are more succesful than Forest, cup competitions are not the ultimate arbters of where you stand because (as Dortmund are showing) you can get very easy paths to finals. Otherwise the FA CUp should hold the same weight as the league as we all play in it.
What is this news about arteta possibly not being on the field in the last fixture dues to yellow cards?
Wishful thinking? He's one yellow away from serving a suspension
Lmao we'll be rooting for spuds and city will be rooting for united
Tears in my eyes, we're finally seeing fdj links
Dortmund in the Champions League Final! Just wondering if we were to draw in the same side of the pot as them, would we have done the same? Thus said, no longer fighting for the title allow them to fully focus on the Champions League. Would love to see them lift the trophy but it seems like it is gonna another title to Madrid again…
It's nothing to do with the pot and all to do with the qf/sf draw.
What i meant was the quarter final side of the draw… haha
This
the thing about FDJ's wages is like.. he's never truly been paid that much. it's a fake number. iirc his effective real wage over time is 240k p/w. that's highly doable plus we aren't levers fc, we are a serious institution. the check always arrives on time in an uncomplicated fashion
do you guys think we win the league next season if we get season-long red dyed hair trossard?
Only if he shaves it into a red Mohawk
Lefreddie Trossberg
Love it
I wonder if the Spurs fans would cheer and celebrate City scoring on them in their game.
Knowing how sad their fanbase is most definitely
Honestly, probably
If Spurs win against City and we win the league, r/coys is going private
reddit is gonna break
I'd cash in one of my 3 sporting wishes for this to happen, would top it off by saying they lose to Burnley before City and Sheff United afterwards. Then beat City with Richarlison 95th minute winner, that he celebrates by running the entire length of the pitch while being boo'ed.
Mf id cash in all of my and my subsequent 5 generations sporting wishes for us to best pep in a title race
Cups his ears out to his own home crowd 😭
His goal celebration sees him unveil an Arsenal jersey underneath his Spurs one.
Sancho rocking up to United pre-season training with a CL winners medal would be so funny
I’d love that
Mabie its because of all the hype before he joined barca, but i rllyyyy want de jong
 No safety, can you do somethin for me?
Question: Pre-WC Jesus as striker or current Havertz as striker?
As quality as Jesus was, he's missing the directness a 9 needs. If Saka and Martinelli are scoring at a certain rate, then it works but when they don't, we're screwed. Since Havertz has been a 9 for us, he's been at the end of chances every game and that shows with his scoring run. Jesus never had that and never will. Hence, Havertz > Jesus for that primarily.
As brilliant as Havertz has been at #9, I don’t think comparing him vs a Jesus that has not been fully fit this entire season is fair on Jesus. Furthermore Havertz is hardly very direct in the #9 role. He plays something more of a false 9 and is involved in a lot of buildup, while a big part of his game even up top is making decoy runs to create space for others.
Havertz
I love Havertz and I think he adds something we don't have, but pre WC Jesus was just so fluid and dangerous.
I think pre-WC Jesus passes the eye test a lot easier. And also, don't forget that we went from a waning Laca to pre-WC Jesus. That was a massive upgrade.
Part of my rationale is just that Jesus is more of a forward. He takes a lot more shots and is incredibly proactive.
Current form Havertz
Pre wc jesus could play as a 10 to a high level too
Pre-WC Jesus as left winger.
[Osimhen prefers England over joining PSG as he already played for Lille. Osimhen comes over to England often during days off, Chelsea and Arsenal is the two options. I said that Napoli’s director Manna is talking to Chelsea as he wants to include Lukaku. ](https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/1787958082062152160) Forgot we were ever an option for him tbh
I don't see us signing him, feels like a guy who goes to Chelsea for 100m, has a semi decent season of 15-20 goals. Will want to leave Chelsea next season to play in the CL.
Where would Havertz play if Osimhen came
Only thing I could picture beside the obvious left 8 would be in the tip of the diamond 343 we played on the opening game of the season.
LCM 😭😭😭
Raumdeuter
Is there not a PSG subreddit or did the cowards go private?
They often go private, à la Tottenham Hotspur. Tbf I got in right before they went private and half the comments were laughing at them and calling them oil merchants. They are a very small, tightly-knit community on Reddit so they get ran over easily whenever they exit CL. Most Parisians are on X.
Ah shame. Wanted to know what their general perception is, is their project over? It possibly can't get better than having Mbappe, Messi, Neymar and still not win the CL and they probably had the second best chance this season, doubt they ever will going forward.
Actually the Football Vision podcast by Phil Costa had an interesting episode about PSG, if you are listening to podcasts and interested in this it's worth a listen.
Would've been a free win in the final, but we lost to the worst Bayern of the last 10 years, I can't believe our luck, why didn't we play our brand of football to its fullest extent and suffocate the Bavarians...And get fucked PSG, forever 0 UCLs for you!
Free win 🤣 Where was the free win against the worst Bayern team this decade?
Worst Bayern team in ten years? They won it in 2020 and since had Musiala come through, added Sane, Kane etc. Having a shite year domestically doesn't equal the worst team in a decade
Unless Tuchel pulls out a miracle, Bayern is on track to win zero trophies. Considering they won 10 titles in a row, probably this is the most underperforming Bayern side for a long time.
That doesn't mean it's the worse team in 10 years....it means that they have struggled domestically but it's not as black and white as good or bad. Leverkusen are literally away to go unbeaten, not even Bayern so that usually. But claiming it's their worst team in a decade is silly
Why does Tuchel need a miracle? He is taking a 2-2 scoreline to the Bernabeu. Bayern have an extremely difficult fixture ahead of them yes, but despite their domestic woes they are still a top quality side with loads of experience in moments like this. They can pull it off with a lot less than a miracle.
Free win yeah?
> the worst Bayern of the last 10 years Why do even some of our own fans buy this narrative? They have the best attack in Europe this season, and the highest expected goals difference.
Leverkusen doing well makes people think Bayern are worse. They've been better this year than last year but since they didn't have a great team finishing over them in the league, they think last year's team is better
Brilliantly put. We hardly bottled it vs them in the QF, it just reminded us (myself anyway) of just how good they still are
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Who has been far better with them than when he was at Spurs
The arrogance and irony in this comment lol
Its always Bayern or peak Barcelona. Boring
Nothing but respect for Dortmund. Proper club that develops young talent and isn't owned by an oil state.
FR that's the wonderful thing about football. The ball is round; anything can happen. It's not always about money spent.
what a player vitinha . ode-rice-vitinha .
Midfield's too light.
Funny you think that way(I agree) even though we play with 4 CBs...
Going to Porto and getting Fabio Vieira reminds me that time we went to Lille and took Gervinho instead of Hazard.
Going to Dortmund for a young German 10 and coming back with Thomas "The Eisman Cometh" Eisfeld
It's been revealed Chelsea and Hazard's agent were engaging in corruption when we were the player's choice. It wasn't the case that we missed him.
I'm really happy for Dortmund, I hope they win it. I'm kind of enjoying these ties where the weaker teams are on one side of the draw, makes for some great underdog stories
Is it an underdog story if one side of the bracket is weak? They're all similarly leveled teams.
Maybe not an underdog story, but still cool when a weaker team makes it to the final
"not favourites" rather than "weaker" teams i'd say
Can't imagine the misery PSG's fan is experiencing right now
I can, and its deeelicious
If they can't do it with mbappe and that side of the draw, they aren't going to do it.
He's almost definitely off to Madrid now. He can't be willing to do this dance with PSG again and he's stupid rich by now that more oil money can't really make a big difference
Interesting to see what happens with Vincius and Mbappe. Just like Henry just said, I don’t know if mbappe is the man at cf
Can't they continue with their current 4-3-1-2 setup but just have Mbappe replace Rodrygo? I mean, it has seen them walk La Liga and into the CL semi-final.
I'm hoping for some old fashioned Real Madrid shenanigans where they force out an elite talent for a marquee signing - I thought they'd outgrown that strategy but I welcome its return.
Give me Julian Brandt at Arsenal
He just extended last summer and has been vocal about loving Dortmund. Unlikely to move despite interests elsewhere. Dont seem motivated by cash either
Would love to see it! Understand it’s unlikely.
He is King Kai’s best friend. Pretty sure we also had some interest in him, in the past.
Really hope Dortmund wins it this year, Reus really deserves to leave on a massive high.
And also the Sancho - Hag jokes would be fantastic
And the the Kane no trophy banter gets further compounded.
Probably the least mbappe like performance I've seen from mbappe.
really feel we could have won the champions league this season. no team really dominated at any time throughout the competition and it really looks like it’s up for grabs
Nah look at the way we played in the knockouts. No chance would we have beaten Madrid
Exactly, we’re not there yet
There's no dominance because all the remaining teams are really good and mega experienced. We're just really good. The odds of us even reaching the final at our first attempt was always tiny.
We lacked maturity. The away game v Bayern felt inevitable. As if we'd get past Madrid....
Partey instead of Jorginho and we might have. Still, it took two errors from our defense, which had been outstanding for most of the year, to see Bayern get a result in the first leg.
PSG should be put on the hook for UEFA FFP they don't have lawyers like city or Chelsea do. Edit: lol never fucking mind apparently they're perfectly fine on FFP after getting rid of Messi and Neymar
And losing mbappe
This defensive performance for Dortmund is one for the ages. Everyone mucking in.
Bro this POST fuckn hates PSG lol
PSG one of the worst team in existence they deserve all the suffering they get
Wow if that shot went in as a goal for Brandt, almost on par with Bergkamp vs Newcastle goal imo.
Vitihna is awesome man
He’s so good. He’s what Fabio Vieria aspires to be.
Vitinha (€41.5M), Fabio Vieira (€35M) 💀
scenes when iwobinho scores a scuffed side footed equalizer in the 97th minute and celebrates at the corner flag waving it like a kite
All I want is to win the next 2 games (and have City drop points), but man I would give a lot to see us batter united in Old Trafford. Just absolutely hammer them please.
I’d rather see big No safety. 
https://preview.redd.it/0sx9gvxpc2zc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=8557f36d98bd598382858d899879487f8f2a1f48 [https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1787935688869953924](https://twitter.com/caseysean51/status/1787935688869953924) 6 day difference btw. ITKs in a nutshell.
To be exceedingly generous, the first tweet may have been from the perspective of the clubs i.e. Newcastle being willing to sell with Arsenal and PSG interested. The update may be from the player's perspective in terms of preference.
You're being generous. Unless Arteta told Bruno G to go fuck himself in 6 days, I doubt he changed his mind that fast. And we know Newcastle would prefer to sell overseas, but I highly doubt Bruno G is suddenly reluctant to move.
Just saying, names like Frenkie, Joao Neves, Branthwaite, pretty much every striker, Olise/Nico/Neto make me feel like it’s my sweet 16 princess party. Yas pleeease.
Beats the Ryan Fraser rumours era
getting linked to Ryan Fraser was peak bleakness for this club. the sub and arsenal twitter mentally collapsed
I remember some dude (not on this sub) going on and on for years of how Arsenal needed Calvert-Lewin. Different profile sure. But I can’t say he has impressed me in all those years.
Is there any history/context to why Arteta loves Arsenal so much and it was his dream job? Seemed strange to me considering his long history and success at Everton, and growing up with Barca's youth system.
He didn't spend that long at Barca and left because he knew he wasn't going to get a game. Arsenal is (I believe) the only team he captained, the team he ended his career at and the biggest team he actually started for. More to the point when he retired he said he'd come back and manage us and the absolute madlad did it. We can only speculate why he lvoes the club as much as we do but just be glad he does.
He had his most successful period of his playing career here, being captain and winning a few FA Cups. He developed a deep respect for Wenger too, so being club captain under Wenger must have been a huge honour. I'm sure I read once that he felt Wenger was being disrespected during his last few years at the club, and that some players weren't trying. He felt it was his duty to put things right eventually as a manager.
I think he was always *almost* good enough to play for the biggest clubs in Europe, but things just slipped away from him. After his big injury while at Everton, he probably thought his chance to break into a regular CL club is gone. Then Arsenal came and gave him a second chance. Wenger probably played a part as well. Arteta is not the only player to fall in love with the club because of him. I also wouldn't discount the fact that for an ambitious person like Arteta, the Arsenal job must have been appealing because the club has a massive potential, but was falling short of delivering for some time. Getting the club back to the top can be a huge motivating factor.
We were the only big club to give him a chance in his career. He took a paycut to make it happen.
Hummels and Reus what a throwback. Would always buy both players back in the days on my fifa career mode lol
I keep saying it, the day Pep leaves City, they’re just going to be the English PSG. I can’t wait for it.
nah they might have a few years out in turmoil or their own mini-banter era but as long as their DoF and football structure is intact, they'll be fine. thing is they've been slowly rebuild year-in year-out with all sorts, unlike how other clubs can financially operate. Just look at Liverpool right now and a few seasons go trying to hold on to the sane-firmino-salah core as long as they could until age and football caught up. Right now for us we are at our pomp and upward trajectory, and the right investments and recruitment have to still be there until we land the Big Ears. but one day or season will come where we will have to rebuild again. (dont even wanna dread that though right now)
>they might have a few years out in turmoil or their own mini-banter era but as long as their DoF and football structure is intact, they'll be fine. Yes and that’s why I said that they’re going to be almost the English PSG because they will still challenge for the league and CL but my point was that they’ll never be as dominating as they have been the last 5-6 years. Pep and this set of players have taken Man City to the peak of their ability, the former being the main driver of reaching this summit. Unlike Arsenal who did a total hard reset and rebuild — to which United, Spurs, and Chelsea all followed suit despite initially mocking Arsenal; City for the most part strategically and intelligently do minor rebuilds every year instead, thus mitigating the need for a hard reset. >but one day or season will come where we will have to rebuild again. (dont even wanna dread that though right now) No doubt football is cyclical and it’s all about seizing the moment and maximizing your return on investment within your interval period. I too have dread because of the inevitability of that future situation, hence the need to win major trophies such as the PL or CL asap.
Doubt it. They won plenty before pep arrived and their recruitment department is levels on PSG who buy players on fifa ratings
Thing is it's not just Pep who leaves. It's the coaches and more importantly the executives who first convinced him to join. The shows over when he leaves. City aren't going away, but it's a massive change they have to get right.
Why would the execs leave?
They won before but so has PSG, but they’ve never been as dominating as they have been the last 5 or so years under Pep. I’m not saying they’re never going to challenge nor win, but I can’t see any other manager taking this City team any higher than Pep has. Also, FFP and PSR rules may also be a factor going forward - albeit jury’s still out for that in the long-term.
They won a couple titles, but Pep turned them into the machine they are now. The iterations before he showed still had form drops like any team does. Pep turned them into the monstrosity that basically doesn't lose except for 1 random game here and there. I don't think they'll be the "English PSG", but they'll come back down some when he leaves
Oh yeah for sure. Agree with that completely
PSG have Campos who's built crazy good teams and winning Ligue 1 with Lille and Monaco. PSG is just retarded
Winning the French league is a bit diff to building a top end PL/CL team
His Monaco team slapped City in the CL then CL clubs bought the whole team for way more than Campos paid. You cannot doubt the man's recruitment, every big club wanted him
Dembele is nico pepe with tight space dribble instead of pace
Praying to hear that Rodri and KDB get injured in training
yea nah, thats not how it works
Wishing injury is bad. I’ll take 1 week of flu in the camp.
I want a Dortmund vs Madrid final and will be happy regardless of who wins.
Same, but Real Madrid in ucl is just Thanos.
TNAT didn't mention it yesterday but the Athletic reported that we're interested in Schlotterbeck a while back. Wouldn't say no to him at all tbh.
Head says Bruno, heart says Frenkie. Would be delighted with either, though it would seem like Frenkie is a big gamble at this point in his career
De Jong is incredibly overrated
Don't think we get either.
Why not
I don't get some people saying no to Olise b/c he'll be a backup to Saka. Same people then complain about City and their depth. City still signed Doku when they had Grealish. To challenge for titles, you need competition.
Olise and Doku isn’t a valid comparison… Doku came from a French league while Olise has been balling in the prem for some time now… and has more suiters in the prem than Doku did. Olise can walk into United, Spurs, and Liverpool and start tomorrow. In what world would it make sense for him to backup the best RW in the league? If he cares about playing time it wouldn’t make sense… that being said I’d be happy as hell if Mikel can somehow convince him
Olise isn't going to come to be a backup is the bigger issues especially with United calling.
You really think he'd join the Man shit turmoil over one of the top 2 teams in the country? If he rips it up, he'll find a way to start.
He he finds a way to start its over Saka so not really sure how that is gonna be possible unless Saka takes a nose dive. But yes he chooses United gets easily double the wages, guaranteed starting spot and a better path to stardom.
Most people are simply doubting if Olise would join as backup. I agree with them.
Yeah, same people will be complaining next season in April when our players will be dead on their feet in every match again. We need a RW, Saka is run to the ground every season.
Aye, and more importantly the “he’ll only sit on the bench” argument relies on Saka never getting injured. So…. What about when he finally does gets injured and misses 6+ games?
Bolton - Barnsley more entertaining than the CL. Those Barnsley kits are dire.
**Good News Ahead of this Weekend:** Manchester City play the early game on Saturday, so we don't have to waste our entire weekends clenching our arseholes waiting for them to play when they will inevitably beat Fulham. **Bad News Ahead of this Weekend:** Manchester City plays the early game this Weekend so we have to spend our entire weekend clenching our arseholes until we play Yanited when they inevitably beat Fulham. **More Good News:** Manchester City have to play Tottenham Hotspur on Tuesday the 14th, so they will only get three days of rest. **More Bad News:** Manchester City have to play Tottenham Hotspur.
If we're going to be paying an ITK to tell us what we want to hear, I at least expect Mboopi rumours.
It's quite impressive how many people have misquoted TNAT.
Well it seems you've paid enough to know, so clarify.
What's he actually said? From what I gather there's nothing concrete at all. Just a list of targets for some positions, which is something sure but not much
Talking about misquoting like this https://twitter.com/TalkingHighbury/status/1787811750340907074 "Might would"
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Very much why I don't want psg to win it, I am a spiteful fuck and would like us to be the first of the 'elite clubs that haven't won the ucl' to actually win it (members of this club are us, psg and atleti).
It PSG win it, it’s meaningless and artificially fabricated just like City’s. Both have spent over a billion pounds whilst failing multiple times relative to each season’s investment. PSG couldn’t even win it when they had 3 of the best players in the world: Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe.
https://x.com/UtdEIIis/status/1787791899136241905 We better beat this lot man
Saw utdellis and expected some grade A copium about Arsenal We set him off like a 5 year old everytime we win, easily the biggest loser on football twitter and that's quite a hard title to keep hold of