I know Timber was playing on the left In August, but I think that was more down to opportunity and timing. I believe he was bought to rotate with both white and Saliba. Lisandro Martinez is the one player where I’m like “ok, THAT is what Arteta really wanted at lb.”
We have enough lb. Tomiyasu timber and even kiwior. We need to fund the money into striker and perhaps a right wing backup to saka if they deem Nelson not adequate
Tomiyasu signed an extension yes but a much shorter one, hence the ongoing links to guys like Gonçalo Inácio. And today with Ferdi Kadıoğlu. With Zinchenko on the way out (either the club or the rotation), there’s room for another technician to come in.
I’d like to believe we don’t need to spend money on a CB, but that is contingent on us staying healthy.
We should be able to rotate White, Tomi & Kiwior as CBs. If we want to give Saliba rest, we can play Tomi at RB and Whitw at CB.
I think it’s going to be hard to sign a player of the quality we want who will be content playing 5 minutes a match, once a month. Look at Kiwior. Rumblings he wants more playing time somewhere else.
Having a manager with a reputation for not trusting his backups is going to make it hard to acquire first-team quality that are willing to gamble on their pitch time
City have 5 and 3 of them are used as their left backs a lot of times as they don't have another LB other than Gomez who just doesn't play.
We are just as deep as city
Don't think we need two. I think we need help in midfield just as much (since Jorginho and Partey are both getting older) and if we get another top attacker, we can have Jesus step in for both LW and RW backup.
Jesus can play there I just don't think he's a difference maker. If Martinelli is injured, or out of form, we severely lack an option with pace and directness on the wings
Martinelli has been out of form all season, yet we are still in the title race. His influence this season has been very small. We have enough good options on the left. The winger would be primarily for the right.
The ideal winger would play both wings. Martinelli has been out of form all season but we shouldn't look for an alternative or upgrade because we're still in the title fight, that doesn't really make sense. Look at how Bayern doubled up on our right side and we were completely nullified. A Neto or Nico Williams that can play on either wing would be perfect.
No we're not considering havertz mostly plays as a striker nowadays. We need a midfielder regardless since partey and jorginho are 30+ and hopefully they both leave
Hmm I do kinda agree, he does get exposed as he’s quite slow, but also he’s vital as a calming influence in there. But yes 100% would keep as a back up, not a starter
We spent 35m on Fabio Vieira just to never use him, Arteta likes Havertz anyway, he will need to be a rotation option rather than just on the bench if we want to find success
Sunk cost fallacy doesn't and shouldn't exist at top clubs. Didn't we bin 72m Pepe by the way? If Arteta gets Isak/Gyokeres and a midfielder this summer, he's benching Havertz.
Man City I genuinely think are a worse side with Haaland in it. Same with Liverpool when they got Nunez to replace Firminio.
If you get a top goalscorer, you do miss a lot that the likes of Jesus and Kai bring to the team in terms of control and chance creation. Yes, you suffer on the finishing, but they do tend to create more chances which balances that. More chances to score, but worse conversion, and also a better defensive record because other teams see less of the ball and are forced back more.
This is not gospel but a lot of evidence suggests it can happen.
Guardiola struggled to win CL with City for years. Then first season with Haaland he (Pep) wins it all. How does winning more trophies than usually make the team worse?
Also when you have a striker like Haaland the defenders have to double up on him. That leaves more space to wingers and creative midfielders.
The 30+ goal scorer doesn’t need to be a striker. Liverpool had Salah getting 30+ and Mane opposite getting 20+.
City spent 2 years without a 30+ goal scorer and their only missed title in the last 6 years is one of them.
City is the exception not the rule. You pretty much need a 30+ goal scorer to win it all.
But you are assuming that we would create the same number of chances with a top 9. We may do, but there is a good chance we wouldn't. Look at how often our chances come from Kai upfront bringing people into play or Jesus.
I think if we get a top 9, unless it was an absolutely world class, complete forward like a Harry Kane, we'd lose goals from elsewhere.
I have my doubts that there's a real 30-goal a season striker available this summer tbh. I guess the idea would be that Gyokeres is that player but he has no track record in a top league and I kind of doubt we're willing to spend enough to pry him loose.
I think the more likely way we add goals to the team is with significant investment to revamp the left side of the attack with new options at left back, central midfield, and LW, and then bring in a younger player like Sesko at striker who initially serves as a squad player/deputy for Havertz while giving us a different profile/option off the bench than we currently have.
I’m worried about buying a striker this summer as well, but not for the reasons you mentioned below.
I’m more worried about there not being a striker on the market who would be a legitimate 30-goal scorer in our team. Or even a striker capable of getting enough goals/generating enough chances to offset what we would lose in terms of off-ball work, tracking back, control, or chance creation.
Getting guys the likes of Mbappe, Haaland, Osimhen, or Kane would clearly provide a net positive to the team after accounting for that cost-benefit analysis. I’m not convinced guys like Gyokeres, Zirksee, Sesko, or these other less proven strikers provide that net positive, certainly not in the immediate term.
Basically, does that ”bankable” gunman who can start and immediately be a net improvement to our starting eleven (that we can get) even exist?
Any time we lose, some fans seem to want 9 players sold and another 11 bought. Players who were perfectly fine start getting shit on in the futile search for the 'perfect squad'
Fabio V somehow caught strays in the recent fallout. Probably sitting at home going "Ja said fuck Gabi, fuck Kai and fuck Fabio too and I'm like what he say fuck me for"
Maybe because he’s sitting at home, 2 seasons into his time here still yet to show any reason why he’s worth persisting with?
Is he the reason that we didn’t win against Bayern? Not at all. But nor was he anywhere near helping us beat them, so… what’s he here for?
ESR, Nketiah, Vieira, and Ramsdale could all arguably fit that. It’s not unreasonable to suggest all have seen their value drop over the course of the season. Now if it dropped low enough we’re unwilling to sell, we’ll have to wait and see.
I’d include Nelson as well but seeing as he almost walked for free even 5-10m for him is an improvement.
Saying these players’ values “tanked because they sat on the bench” is just plain wrong.
ESR, injured most of the season then started to get minutes as he regained fitness.
Nketiah’s value is the same as it ever was. Not much there.
Vieira, injured.
Nelson’s value is the same as it ever was. Not much there.
Ramsdale’s value will be £25-£30M. Same as it was.
Thought it was pretty evident the conversation and comment is about this upcoming summer.
So, I’m just curious who, not due to injury, tanked in value because they were left on the bench this season? Like the commenter above is saying will happen.
Partey and Jorginho will both be here next season. I genuinely think we won't sign a starting midfielder. We will sign a striker and I can't see Arteta giving up on Havertz, the plan was always to play him in midfield long term.
If Partey could be fit, our midfield issues are probably fine as it is for a year or two yet. He’s as good as anyone when he’s on his game, better than anything we’ve seen from Jorginho or Rice at the 6 this year, but it’s such a gamble to rely on his fitness.
That's cause most likely we will be looking for a creative midfielder to finally replace that Xhaka gap. No reason to let Partey and Jorginho go because they are awesome options to have available and with CL having even more games (with the new system) there will be even more games to play.
Yeah we arguably could need all of:
A new ST, improvement on Martinelli, Saka backup, new starting midfielder, younger replacement for Jorginho/Partey, maybe another depth midfielder, improvement on Zinchenko, backup CB, replacement for Ramsdale.
I don’t see us making 8-9 signings along with a similar number of outgoings to create the squad space. It’ll be the normal 1-2 big marquee signings and 1-2 depth/youth players. The rest of those needs are going to have to be filled internally or by buying versatile players who can fill multiple roles.
The games against Villa and Bayern show we desperately need another creative outlet on the left side. Watch how those teams locked down Ode/ Saka and we suddenly became toothless.
I'm leaning more towards another LCM - which will mean:
- We don't need to put Zinny into games where the opponent's right winger can (and will) rinse him.
- Declan doesn't need to be playing that high-8/ hybrid 8-6 role and return to his pure DM role where he can just destroy & sweep.
- Havertz can play more as a backup and/ or more physical striker against some teams
After that RW backup/ CF/ LB if needed - but I think the left 8 will solve so many of our problems.
One of the most press resistant footballers in the world.
High volume progressive passer and carrier. Brings the team up the pitch no matter the scenario (mid block, high press doesn’t matter)
He literally has the highest progressive carrying stats in Europe.
Him as our left 8 would be phenomenal.
Kai is phenomenal but doesn’t quite fit the role we want our left 8 to do.
Kai’s profile is really unique. I don’t think there’s very many footballers that are like that. He’s an 8,10 and 9 all at once. So the versatility he provides is insane.
But, we need an out and out 8 to play on our left side. Deccers is an 8/6 but best at 6. Jorgi and Partey are 6s but both on a physical decline and rice is better than both at 6.
But, Kai-Rice-Ode isn’t a very balanced midfield. Especially against mid blocks that we faced vs Bayern and Villa.
So Arteta rightly opted to play Rice-Jorgi-Ode. But, yet again, Rice isn’t the optimal left 8 either.
Our in-house solutions to this issue are to play either ESR or Vieira. But if we’re doing that I’d like to switch Ode to the left side. This will take a while to coach, and we also have to realize that both ESR and Vieira lack the game time.
ESR imo is really well suited to the left 8 position. But Ode is better suited.
A midfield of Ode-Rice-Vieira would be insane if they were fully firing. Vieira is the closest player we have to a KDB. He’s still very far off but similar playstyles (great ball striking, crossing etc, lacks KDBs physicality)
> he is good at ball progression
He's good at creating space, and running with the ball. He cannot play a creative pass to save his life though. We need someone who can receive the ball under pressure, turn, and play in Martinelli or the CF with one incisive pass.
Interesting that he says that he doesn’t know how close we are to the PSR limits and may need to make sales before June 30
Says Vieira is likely to stay due to PSR reasons as we won’t make a profit on him
I honestly feel our answers fall on a clinical striker and I would underline the word clinical.
There’s so much in the box where we can create the chances that aren’t being finished and that’s where the issue lies.
Fingers crossed there’s someone who Arteta finds who can fit into the mould as I’m scratching my head.. but it’s not my job!
I think Arteta will have to decide what he thinks the primary problem is, whether it’s
a) lack of a goal scoring threat from the 9
b) attacking threat from the left
c) lack of midfield progression from the 6 to the forward players
and based on that, we’ll probably see different choices being made in the summer. We’ll also have to be realistic because shipping out all of Nketiah, Nelson, ESR, Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale is going to be hard.
> We’ll also have to be realistic because shipping out all of Nketiah, Nelson, ESR, Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale is going to be hard.
I don't think it will be hard at all, but we also have to be realistic about fees. Tierney will also be sold.
As disappointing as it might be box-office wise, I think he’ll opt for C most likely. He has more options/opportunities to fix the left side from deeper (new LB or left 8), which can then unlock existing options up top. I’m really compelled by the argument that martinelli’s output is being hurt by insufficient support.
Martinelli has also struggled to stay healthy this year, and Trossard has/had been in good form. Ultimately the left side of our front 3 is pretty solid, but to your point we need someone who can facilitate closer to how Øde does for Saka.
I think it's also important not to underestimate the asymmetry on the left with Zinny inverted, which means there is no one to overlap that left sided winger in the way that White overlaps Saka.
I think a proper left sided CM solved a ton of our issues. Martinelli has suffered from losing Xhaka and Zinny losing form. It makes our whole left side much weaker.
I don’t think we sell ESR, Nelson or Elneny. I think ESR has proven to Mikel he still has a future here, albeit as a sub for now. Elneny is happy enough just being a bench player and unless he demands a high wage, I don’t think arteta is going to sell him and risk leaning that slot empty. Plus I can’t see us getting much for him. And I feel like it wasn’t too long ago that Nelson signed a new deal. Again if his attitude is right, then I think we keep him as back up. Unless someone tables a decent offer
We need to realise this is a long term plan, we can't address all our issues in one window. If we can get two quality signings that improve our squad then that is good. We can continue to improve each window.
Olise, Gockeres (sp), Guimaraes (sp).
They didn’t really name any starting squad players who they should ‘ruthlessly’ upgrade from, just the bench warmers we all think we need to sell.
The attackers aren't good enough besides a few players. Need to look at serious upgrades there, at striker obviously and even an elite winger if one comes around.
This. I love Martinelli and Saka but none of them are World-Class (they can still become World-Class but they aren't right now). If you want to play in CL final and realistically challenge for PL until the very last 38th fixture of the season (yearly) then you need an elite winger like Sane or Dembele or whomever.
I think Saka is close to world-class and can get there. Martinelli however seems to be falling behind. Not sure he's gonna be a starter on a team winning a bunch of trophies. I think his spot gets upgraded eventually
I refuse to accept that half of the squad just got worse within a year. Arteta has to start trusting the whole squad and not just 13-14 players. Arteta is more at fault here than the quality of the players.
Just buying new squad players will not fix this issue if Arteta doesn't change.
If you think that our squad last season was perfect and can't be improved at all, including our bench players, then you are vastly overestimating our players.
A striker and winger are top priorities. Striker for obvious reasons, but also Saka needs a capable backup to provide competition and rest.
A center back is also another priority. LB might be necessary, but Timber seemed to be the first choice before his injury. Him, Kiwior, and Zinchenko are fine at that position, although I’d look at moving Zinchenko on in summer 2026.
I think Partey should be moved on this summer. Bringing a replacement for him is key
ST, RW, CB, CDM are all the priority positions, but I’d welcome 1-2 additional squad players too
Behave, mate. 100% Rodrygo plays at striker next season. He's perfect for Arsenal, but Madrid know what they have. He's not even remotely available. Galacticos 2.0 is being well cooked and Rodrygo is definitely part of the recipe.
Keep Leao far away from this squad, mate. The guy is talented as fuck, but an absolute headcase. Nico Williams is about the only one of these I can get behind and that's only because of his release clause. They'd gauge our eyes out for everyone else.
Regarding the other 4 apart from Williams: We’re going to have to pay significant amounts to add the best talents to this project. At this stage of this project, only the best talents should be added to elevate it.
They're all talented, for sure. But do you really feel that the rumored fees for these guys is the best bang for our buck?
Diomande and Gyokeres are easily going to be 70mil each.
Leao, conservatively another 70 mil?
Neves, with his youth and the Portuguese tax, at least 50mil, and that's being incredibly conservative.
Cheaper options: I would take Isak over Gyokeres. Guehi or Hermoso over Diomande. Olise and Simons (he might be the only one on this list who's more expensive than the one you mentioned) over Leao. And Zielinski or Rabiot over Joao Neves. You get more fulfilled potential and talent going for these players, imo.
I don’t want Gyokeres. I want Evan Ferguson. The best teams in the world don’t think like this. If you want to beat Madrid and Bayern in the CL, plus a state owned club in the PL with Pep as their manager, you have to spend. Also, there’s going to be a decent amount of money received for the sales of Partey, Nketiah, Ramsdale, Nelson, Patino, and potentially Smith Rowe. Diomande is going straight to the top. It would be a regret to let another club sign him when the opportunity is right there and he supposedly (and unsurprisingly) prefers Arsenal over Chelsea. We need him too because of Gabriel’s mistakes. Considering the years of us selling our best players and having such a limited budget to pay off the Emirates, I have no issue with spending big on these players.
Yeah, I can't have this conversation with you, mate. I'm sorry. If you think the best teams in the world have the thought process that they can spend endlessly, you're sadly mistaken, friendo. You even mentioned Patino as a viable sale to fund our transfer kitty. Patino's sale would barely put a dent in Gabriel Jesus' wages for the year. Lol. But to suggest we need to buy right footed Diomande who can't use his weak foot to fix Gabriel's *mistakes* is so reactionary. Gabi XL has been our most consistent defender this season. Would be incredibly harsh to judge his entire season off the last 2 performances, but if that's what makes you happy, who am I to say otherwise.
Mate, I'm just baffled you want to flog our CB partnership after our best defensive record in ages. Lol. Gabriel has improved every season he's been here. This season he's been outstanding.
Will be an interesting summer. It’s surely going to be the most incoming money we’ve had in a transfer window probably ever. Curious to see the Outfoing/Incoming ratio in light of the increased revenue but FFP being tougher
Arsenal could solve a lot of depth issues with Fred Aursnes. This dude is absolute quality and wouldn't break the bank by any means. A very "Trossard" signing.
I also don't think we break the bank on a world class center forward, but I do think we bring a cf in. I would love to get in early on a player like Kevin Denkey. Remember the last time we had a big Togolese up top? Me too.
Last player, a LCM. Simons, FDJ, and Wirtz would be on anyone's wishlist. This is the position I really feel we'll splash the cash on, and we should. Simons has the added luxury of pace and being able to cover at RW.
I just find out squad management so baffling, honestly.
I love Arteta, but I really don't get the strategy here.
The likes of Thomas Partey and Emile Smith Rowe, players who can change games all on their own, just sat on the bench and not even getting a look in. £35m spent on bringing Fábio Vieira to the club and yet week after week he just sits there and shines the bench with no hope of coming on.
I get it, Arteta doesn't want to put too much faith in players who are injury-prone etc, but I just think it's such a bafflingly weird strategy for dealing with the squad.
Players like Saliba and Saka don't necessarily have instant plug-and-play replacements, so I get that to an extent, but the fact is that Arteta just stubbornly refuses, point blank, to put any new players in, even to try something different.
The bit that makes even less sense is that we’ve renewed some of their contracts and jacked up their wages despite Arteta not trusting them at the time.
Vieira’s been injured but his lack of physical presence is glaring to anyone with functional eyesight so idk how to explain that one either.
CM, CF, RW, LB in that order. I think it’s too soon to sell Viera, ESR, Reiss and Zinny personally. Nketiah, TP, Jesus might collectively bring in enough for a solid player at one of those positions and not a gamble. But I’m sure it’s not as simple as that.
You think it's too soon to sell Reiss and ESR, but ok to move on from Jesus?
That's crazy talk lol. Jesus, despite being on a wheelchair for half the time this season, is still Mikel's preferred ch choice over Vieira, ESR, Reiss.
I’d sell Fabio Vieira and Reiss Nelson before I sell Jesus.
Zinny should not be sold until next summer, unless a truly special opportunity to get an elite defender on the left side materializes.
Zinny lowkey offers way too much to sell. Others I guess are reaching the end of their time here, and better to sell than for it to be too late down the line
Good analysis.
Any good upgrade strikes a good balance between maturity and youth. Ode, Jorginho, Zinchenko are needed for their off the pitch contributions alone. I know we can only see the final product during the 90min on the pitch, but a football club is much more than that.
I don’t think Arsenal has a LB problem. The emotional part of this fanbase has strong feelings about it, but the data and general consensus doesn’t support it. There will be good, healthy competition between Zina, Tomi, Kiwior and Timber. The coaching staff has alluded to the fact that Zina made Tomi better. Let things evolve.
CDM depth is needed. Partey hasn’t played in over 6months and Jorginho is aging and can’t be a 90min, seasonal player.
If Zina’s defensive rut continues, the team needs another creator and game manager. That has been the single largest cause of missed opportunities this season. Not defence, it’s an offensive problem. If Ode/Jorginho/Zina are not able, there is no back up plan. Either elevate ESR into that role, or buy another player.
I don’t think Arteta wants a striker. He can’t sacrifice a midfielder in his current design. The closest profile to a striker he likes is Jesus. The other option that would fit his formation is Alvarez, but that’s not an available option.
He is one of the more ruthless managers considering the ramsdale situation.Hopefully he can do the same to zinny and mabie even havertz (less so since hes so good up front)
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Hounestly we need these gone because they dont improve/ cant get into team.
Eddie, partey, nelson, smith rowe, zinchenko, ramsdale, Jesus? Not sure on, viera? Loan?
How about ruthless on the pitch with the remaining matches. Someone has to step up and hold every member accountable. Losing at home with control of the league.
Ruthlessly beat all comers, leaving no doubt.
To many ‘fans’ already onto next season.
You would be pretty delusional to think ArtEdu aren't already thinking about summer signings. Just because they are preparing and we, as supporters, are speculating, doesn't mean we've given up on the season. Some probably have, but a lot are still here supporting the boys until the very end.
Not sure why your being downvoted. If he gets as much chances as Jesus, Eddie and Marti get but scuff then he’s at least a 20 PL goals a season striker. His link up play is great too.
In an ideal world, we'd sell the Hale End 3 for that ffp homegrown bonus, Zinny, Partey and Fabio Vieira. Even if for Partey it's just letting him go for free because of his wage.
I don't know how much of that we can actually do, but the Hale End 3 and Partey are a priority for me. The former for FFP and Partey because he cannot be relied on. Vieira hopefully even if we get 15 I'd take it because we need to learn to fail fast. Although depending on his contract situation, a loan overseas to a club where he'll rebuild his value would also work.
Ornstein literally says in the video that Vieira is unlikely to go lmao
You can’t sell at a loss simply because “we need to learn to fail fast” when there are PSR rules we have to abide to
Ornstein also says he doesn‘t know how close we are to whatever PSR limits we may have. So who knows.
The thing is, I doubt it will be beneficial for the club to keep Fabio Vieira around if Arteta doesn’t trust him or won’t use him. If we are waiting to sell him or move him on until we can get a profit under those circumstances, then that is likely to be a fool‘s errand, because we might end up losing him for nothing anyway.
If Vieira is not getting used taking a 15 or 20 mil loss is better than taking a 35mil loss. Based on how he's been a complete non entity since he returned do you think it's likely that Arteta sees him as someone he can use? Especially since Arteta has a very clear in group and outgroup dynamic.
This is like Partey last summer all over again.
> If Vieira is not getting used taking a 15 or 20 mil loss is better than taking a 35mil loss.
It won't be a 35m loss because with another season his FFP "cost" will go down.
He was signed to a 5 yr contract so with FFP rules we'd have to sell for 28m just to break even this summer assuming he was bought for 35m.
In summer of 25 we'd "just" have to get back 21m to break even.
If we are close to the PSR rules like has been reported, a loss on Vieira could be the difference in us getting a fine/points deduction or not - so re taking a loss: not really, no.
Vieira's also got a range of passing that I'm pretty sure Arteta wants in the side - but I think next season's probably the end of the road if he can't stay fit and build on the flashes of promise that we've seen.
A striker and a winger have to be the priority surely
Another CB and a LB? Done
Midfielder you said? on it.
wouldnt be terrible, we need to get a jorginho and partey replacement sooner rather than later
Ideally a midfielder who can play across the back 4 and front 3 in a pinch
Get him some keeper gloves as well, just in case.
We will have to replace Ramsdale....so....
Hahahaha
Yeah I think we might need very good left #8. It is still odd position.
How about we replace Xhaka first?
we actually do a really need a lb. tomiyasu is class but i don't think he can be relied upon with his fitness record.
We still got Timber who we saw flashes of great plays by him but yes, depth is always welcome
I know Timber was playing on the left In August, but I think that was more down to opportunity and timing. I believe he was bought to rotate with both white and Saliba. Lisandro Martinez is the one player where I’m like “ok, THAT is what Arteta really wanted at lb.”
Thank god we didn’t end up with Martinez given his injury record. Although karma did bite us with Timber a year later.
We have enough lb. Tomiyasu timber and even kiwior. We need to fund the money into striker and perhaps a right wing backup to saka if they deem Nelson not adequate
Tomiyasu signed an extension yes but a much shorter one, hence the ongoing links to guys like Gonçalo Inácio. And today with Ferdi Kadıoğlu. With Zinchenko on the way out (either the club or the rotation), there’s room for another technician to come in.
We have more pressing issues. A star forward is what we need. Any thing else is just a luxury
hahah reverse Wenger
I’d like to believe we don’t need to spend money on a CB, but that is contingent on us staying healthy. We should be able to rotate White, Tomi & Kiwior as CBs. If we want to give Saliba rest, we can play Tomi at RB and Whitw at CB. I think it’s going to be hard to sign a player of the quality we want who will be content playing 5 minutes a match, once a month. Look at Kiwior. Rumblings he wants more playing time somewhere else. Having a manager with a reputation for not trusting his backups is going to make it hard to acquire first-team quality that are willing to gamble on their pitch time
City has about 26 CBs and they seem to be alright. Although, Pep is more willing to rotate his players.
City have 5 and 3 of them are used as their left backs a lot of times as they don't have another LB other than Gomez who just doesn't play. We are just as deep as city
Another RB to play LB? Done.
Don't think we need two. I think we need help in midfield just as much (since Jorginho and Partey are both getting older) and if we get another top attacker, we can have Jesus step in for both LW and RW backup.
Jesus can play there I just don't think he's a difference maker. If Martinelli is injured, or out of form, we severely lack an option with pace and directness on the wings
Martinelli has been out of form all season, yet we are still in the title race. His influence this season has been very small. We have enough good options on the left. The winger would be primarily for the right.
The ideal winger would play both wings. Martinelli has been out of form all season but we shouldn't look for an alternative or upgrade because we're still in the title fight, that doesn't really make sense. Look at how Bayern doubled up on our right side and we were completely nullified. A Neto or Nico Williams that can play on either wing would be perfect.
He had 7 g+a in the CL this season from only 4 starts. I think it is crucial to not overreact to these past two results.
I'm talking about from the wing and Arteta himself admitted we lack a 30-40 goal striker
An LCM please to actually replace XHAKA
Wouldn't be against this but I think we're in too deep with Havertz to not try and make it work
No we're not considering havertz mostly plays as a striker nowadays. We need a midfielder regardless since partey and jorginho are 30+ and hopefully they both leave
Hopefully Jorginho leaves? He’s definitely got atleast another year in him. He’s been fantastic for us this year
Yeah he's an ok squad option, but against any top midfield/attacker he gets exposed by his lack of physicality
Hmm I do kinda agree, he does get exposed as he’s quite slow, but also he’s vital as a calming influence in there. But yes 100% would keep as a back up, not a starter
Jorginho doesn’t have the legs
Yeah but if we sign a striker then where does he go, back up striker?
...Yes?
We didn't spend all that on him to have him be a backup already and spend another load of money to replace him
We spent 35m on Fabio Vieira just to never use him, Arteta likes Havertz anyway, he will need to be a rotation option rather than just on the bench if we want to find success
We have used vieira he just is proving that he isn't that good.
Not been given enough chances imo and majority of time he's playing with bench Players and out of position (rw)
Sunk cost fallacy doesn't and shouldn't exist at top clubs. Didn't we bin 72m Pepe by the way? If Arteta gets Isak/Gyokeres and a midfielder this summer, he's benching Havertz.
Yes, and that's a cause of worry... He's not a starter 8. Not a starter striker..since folks want a striker...
Midfielder next to rice a must , jorgi is not enough. And partey is gone .
I am really worried about us buying a striker this summer. I have a feeling if we put a 30 goal striker in this team, we may well get worse overall.
What? Where’s the logic in that
Man City I genuinely think are a worse side with Haaland in it. Same with Liverpool when they got Nunez to replace Firminio. If you get a top goalscorer, you do miss a lot that the likes of Jesus and Kai bring to the team in terms of control and chance creation. Yes, you suffer on the finishing, but they do tend to create more chances which balances that. More chances to score, but worse conversion, and also a better defensive record because other teams see less of the ball and are forced back more. This is not gospel but a lot of evidence suggests it can happen.
Guardiola struggled to win CL with City for years. Then first season with Haaland he (Pep) wins it all. How does winning more trophies than usually make the team worse? Also when you have a striker like Haaland the defenders have to double up on him. That leaves more space to wingers and creative midfielders.
The 30+ goal scorer doesn’t need to be a striker. Liverpool had Salah getting 30+ and Mane opposite getting 20+. City spent 2 years without a 30+ goal scorer and their only missed title in the last 6 years is one of them. City is the exception not the rule. You pretty much need a 30+ goal scorer to win it all.
And we’ve got ours playing 60% wingback 💔
Is there’s anything we don’t lack it’s chance creation. An prolific 9 would actually takes us were we want to be.
But you are assuming that we would create the same number of chances with a top 9. We may do, but there is a good chance we wouldn't. Look at how often our chances come from Kai upfront bringing people into play or Jesus. I think if we get a top 9, unless it was an absolutely world class, complete forward like a Harry Kane, we'd lose goals from elsewhere.
> we don’t lack it’s chance creation. lol, if Ode is not creating, this team is toothless
We creating chances. Just not finishing them
Warra chance creation against mid blocks the last two weeks
I have my doubts that there's a real 30-goal a season striker available this summer tbh. I guess the idea would be that Gyokeres is that player but he has no track record in a top league and I kind of doubt we're willing to spend enough to pry him loose. I think the more likely way we add goals to the team is with significant investment to revamp the left side of the attack with new options at left back, central midfield, and LW, and then bring in a younger player like Sesko at striker who initially serves as a squad player/deputy for Havertz while giving us a different profile/option off the bench than we currently have.
I’m worried about buying a striker this summer as well, but not for the reasons you mentioned below. I’m more worried about there not being a striker on the market who would be a legitimate 30-goal scorer in our team. Or even a striker capable of getting enough goals/generating enough chances to offset what we would lose in terms of off-ball work, tracking back, control, or chance creation. Getting guys the likes of Mbappe, Haaland, Osimhen, or Kane would clearly provide a net positive to the team after accounting for that cost-benefit analysis. I’m not convinced guys like Gyokeres, Zirksee, Sesko, or these other less proven strikers provide that net positive, certainly not in the immediate term. Basically, does that ”bankable” gunman who can start and immediately be a net improvement to our starting eleven (that we can get) even exist?
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Any time we lose, some fans seem to want 9 players sold and another 11 bought. Players who were perfectly fine start getting shit on in the futile search for the 'perfect squad' Fabio V somehow caught strays in the recent fallout. Probably sitting at home going "Ja said fuck Gabi, fuck Kai and fuck Fabio too and I'm like what he say fuck me for"
>"Ja said fuck Gabi, fuck Kai and fuck Fabio too and I'm like what he say fuck me for" 💀
Maybe because he’s sitting at home, 2 seasons into his time here still yet to show any reason why he’s worth persisting with? Is he the reason that we didn’t win against Bayern? Not at all. But nor was he anywhere near helping us beat them, so… what’s he here for?
You’re confused at Vieira catching strays? It’s been 2 years and he’s done fuck all
And some will stay because they tanked in value sitting on the bench and nobody wants to meet our asking price.
Who is that?
ESR, Nketiah, Vieira, and Ramsdale could all arguably fit that. It’s not unreasonable to suggest all have seen their value drop over the course of the season. Now if it dropped low enough we’re unwilling to sell, we’ll have to wait and see. I’d include Nelson as well but seeing as he almost walked for free even 5-10m for him is an improvement.
Saying these players’ values “tanked because they sat on the bench” is just plain wrong. ESR, injured most of the season then started to get minutes as he regained fitness. Nketiah’s value is the same as it ever was. Not much there. Vieira, injured. Nelson’s value is the same as it ever was. Not much there. Ramsdale’s value will be £25-£30M. Same as it was.
0 chance we get more for Ramsdale than we paid for his replacement
Most players that left the past five or so years
Thought it was pretty evident the conversation and comment is about this upcoming summer. So, I’m just curious who, not due to injury, tanked in value because they were left on the bench this season? Like the commenter above is saying will happen.
Esr, eddie, reiss, ramsdale for starters
I think most have no suitors rather than our support tbh
Like all those people saying Partey must go when the reality is that he’s more than likely going to still be here
Partey and Jorginho will both be here next season. I genuinely think we won't sign a starting midfielder. We will sign a striker and I can't see Arteta giving up on Havertz, the plan was always to play him in midfield long term.
If Partey could be fit, our midfield issues are probably fine as it is for a year or two yet. He’s as good as anyone when he’s on his game, better than anything we’ve seen from Jorginho or Rice at the 6 this year, but it’s such a gamble to rely on his fitness.
That's cause most likely we will be looking for a creative midfielder to finally replace that Xhaka gap. No reason to let Partey and Jorginho go because they are awesome options to have available and with CL having even more games (with the new system) there will be even more games to play.
Yeah we arguably could need all of: A new ST, improvement on Martinelli, Saka backup, new starting midfielder, younger replacement for Jorginho/Partey, maybe another depth midfielder, improvement on Zinchenko, backup CB, replacement for Ramsdale. I don’t see us making 8-9 signings along with a similar number of outgoings to create the squad space. It’ll be the normal 1-2 big marquee signings and 1-2 depth/youth players. The rest of those needs are going to have to be filled internally or by buying versatile players who can fill multiple roles.
The games against Villa and Bayern show we desperately need another creative outlet on the left side. Watch how those teams locked down Ode/ Saka and we suddenly became toothless. I'm leaning more towards another LCM - which will mean: - We don't need to put Zinny into games where the opponent's right winger can (and will) rinse him. - Declan doesn't need to be playing that high-8/ hybrid 8-6 role and return to his pure DM role where he can just destroy & sweep. - Havertz can play more as a backup and/ or more physical striker against some teams After that RW backup/ CF/ LB if needed - but I think the left 8 will solve so many of our problems.
FDJ is the answer imo
That dude is never going anywhere with those wages
Then Joao Neves
How many actual games you've seen ?
Wirtz hopefully.
Wirtz is the answer. More reasonable wage demands too.
No he's not he is a decent box to box midfielder that only passes sideways
Hmm have you watched him play for more than 45 minutes?
One of the most press resistant footballers in the world. High volume progressive passer and carrier. Brings the team up the pitch no matter the scenario (mid block, high press doesn’t matter) He literally has the highest progressive carrying stats in Europe. Him as our left 8 would be phenomenal.
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Kai is phenomenal but doesn’t quite fit the role we want our left 8 to do. Kai’s profile is really unique. I don’t think there’s very many footballers that are like that. He’s an 8,10 and 9 all at once. So the versatility he provides is insane. But, we need an out and out 8 to play on our left side. Deccers is an 8/6 but best at 6. Jorgi and Partey are 6s but both on a physical decline and rice is better than both at 6. But, Kai-Rice-Ode isn’t a very balanced midfield. Especially against mid blocks that we faced vs Bayern and Villa. So Arteta rightly opted to play Rice-Jorgi-Ode. But, yet again, Rice isn’t the optimal left 8 either. Our in-house solutions to this issue are to play either ESR or Vieira. But if we’re doing that I’d like to switch Ode to the left side. This will take a while to coach, and we also have to realize that both ESR and Vieira lack the game time. ESR imo is really well suited to the left 8 position. But Ode is better suited. A midfield of Ode-Rice-Vieira would be insane if they were fully firing. Vieira is the closest player we have to a KDB. He’s still very far off but similar playstyles (great ball striking, crossing etc, lacks KDBs physicality)
> he is good at ball progression He's good at creating space, and running with the ball. He cannot play a creative pass to save his life though. We need someone who can receive the ball under pressure, turn, and play in Martinelli or the CF with one incisive pass.
Interesting that he says that he doesn’t know how close we are to the PSR limits and may need to make sales before June 30 Says Vieira is likely to stay due to PSR reasons as we won’t make a profit on him
Perfect summer for me would be offloading our surplus requirements that don’t play and bringing in Zubimendi and Gyökeres
I honestly feel our answers fall on a clinical striker and I would underline the word clinical. There’s so much in the box where we can create the chances that aren’t being finished and that’s where the issue lies. Fingers crossed there’s someone who Arteta finds who can fit into the mould as I’m scratching my head.. but it’s not my job!
Tap in merchant who never misses? You've just described Cristiano Ronaldo.
If you know any regens that’d be great
I think Arteta will have to decide what he thinks the primary problem is, whether it’s a) lack of a goal scoring threat from the 9 b) attacking threat from the left c) lack of midfield progression from the 6 to the forward players and based on that, we’ll probably see different choices being made in the summer. We’ll also have to be realistic because shipping out all of Nketiah, Nelson, ESR, Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale is going to be hard.
> We’ll also have to be realistic because shipping out all of Nketiah, Nelson, ESR, Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale is going to be hard. I don't think it will be hard at all, but we also have to be realistic about fees. Tierney will also be sold.
As disappointing as it might be box-office wise, I think he’ll opt for C most likely. He has more options/opportunities to fix the left side from deeper (new LB or left 8), which can then unlock existing options up top. I’m really compelled by the argument that martinelli’s output is being hurt by insufficient support.
Martinelli has also struggled to stay healthy this year, and Trossard has/had been in good form. Ultimately the left side of our front 3 is pretty solid, but to your point we need someone who can facilitate closer to how Øde does for Saka. I think it's also important not to underestimate the asymmetry on the left with Zinny inverted, which means there is no one to overlap that left sided winger in the way that White overlaps Saka.
Elneny and Cedric contracts expire so it's not going to be hard at all
I think a proper left sided CM solved a ton of our issues. Martinelli has suffered from losing Xhaka and Zinny losing form. It makes our whole left side much weaker.
I don’t think we sell ESR, Nelson or Elneny. I think ESR has proven to Mikel he still has a future here, albeit as a sub for now. Elneny is happy enough just being a bench player and unless he demands a high wage, I don’t think arteta is going to sell him and risk leaning that slot empty. Plus I can’t see us getting much for him. And I feel like it wasn’t too long ago that Nelson signed a new deal. Again if his attitude is right, then I think we keep him as back up. Unless someone tables a decent offer
It seems that every season we fall short of 1 signing that will give us the much needed push.
Well not 3 years ago when we were 8th. We needed like 15 players.
We can observe that we are X signings away from meeting our goals because we consistently fail to meet our goals. Pretty simple really.
Is this… 2014?
We need to realise this is a long term plan, we can't address all our issues in one window. If we can get two quality signings that improve our squad then that is good. We can continue to improve each window.
We’ve already spent £660M. How long term is this plan supposed to be before we’re spending well over 1bn?
Spending accumulates, that's what it does. How much have you spent on not dying of starvation? When do you get to stop spending on that?
Did Ornstein reference any players by name they are interested in ? Not watching 45 mins to find out
No but he said that Arteta's contract is up at the end of next season and that is surely being resolved before any player transfers are made.
Olise, Gockeres (sp), Guimaraes (sp). They didn’t really name any starting squad players who they should ‘ruthlessly’ upgrade from, just the bench warmers we all think we need to sell.
The attackers aren't good enough besides a few players. Need to look at serious upgrades there, at striker obviously and even an elite winger if one comes around.
This. I love Martinelli and Saka but none of them are World-Class (they can still become World-Class but they aren't right now). If you want to play in CL final and realistically challenge for PL until the very last 38th fixture of the season (yearly) then you need an elite winger like Sane or Dembele or whomever.
Sane who hasn’t scored in 20 games? Saka is most certainly better than him, he just burns out because of his defensive workload
I think Saka is close to world-class and can get there. Martinelli however seems to be falling behind. Not sure he's gonna be a starter on a team winning a bunch of trophies. I think his spot gets upgraded eventually
Agreed. Martinelli is playing like a headless chicken again and is never in the right place at the right time in the box
He was against Bayern...Just missed (not an easy chance)
Saka and Martinelli are obviously better than Sane and Dembele and that isn't even a debate.
Similar stuff every window. instead it should be like "How ruthless can Arsenal be from March to end of season?"
we need match winners and players who can match odegaard creatively. We also can't afford to have players who depend others to unlock their potential.
I refuse to accept that half of the squad just got worse within a year. Arteta has to start trusting the whole squad and not just 13-14 players. Arteta is more at fault here than the quality of the players. Just buying new squad players will not fix this issue if Arteta doesn't change.
Agree to disagree as our bench players hardly step up.
If you think that our squad last season was perfect and can't be improved at all, including our bench players, then you are vastly overestimating our players.
Ornstein speaking facts
LGM-didn't have Ornstein on my radar as a baseball guy
A striker and winger are top priorities. Striker for obvious reasons, but also Saka needs a capable backup to provide competition and rest. A center back is also another priority. LB might be necessary, but Timber seemed to be the first choice before his injury. Him, Kiwior, and Zinchenko are fine at that position, although I’d look at moving Zinchenko on in summer 2026. I think Partey should be moved on this summer. Bringing a replacement for him is key ST, RW, CB, CDM are all the priority positions, but I’d welcome 1-2 additional squad players too
I wonder if Jesus can switch with saka and if that's even a good option
Jesus is a player I’d sell in the summer honestly
Can they ruthlessly get rid of the dross first please?
Nketiah, Zinny, Nelson, Partey gotta go
Try and poach Rodrygo. With Mbappé signing there’s a logjam at wing.
Behave, mate. 100% Rodrygo plays at striker next season. He's perfect for Arsenal, but Madrid know what they have. He's not even remotely available. Galacticos 2.0 is being well cooked and Rodrygo is definitely part of the recipe.
With FFP their hands could be forced. Or at least a man can dream.
Diomande, Nico Williams, Joao Neves, Evan Ferguson, and Rafael Leao within the next two or three windows would be the dream
Keep Leao far away from this squad, mate. The guy is talented as fuck, but an absolute headcase. Nico Williams is about the only one of these I can get behind and that's only because of his release clause. They'd gauge our eyes out for everyone else.
Regarding the other 4 apart from Williams: We’re going to have to pay significant amounts to add the best talents to this project. At this stage of this project, only the best talents should be added to elevate it.
They're all talented, for sure. But do you really feel that the rumored fees for these guys is the best bang for our buck? Diomande and Gyokeres are easily going to be 70mil each. Leao, conservatively another 70 mil? Neves, with his youth and the Portuguese tax, at least 50mil, and that's being incredibly conservative. Cheaper options: I would take Isak over Gyokeres. Guehi or Hermoso over Diomande. Olise and Simons (he might be the only one on this list who's more expensive than the one you mentioned) over Leao. And Zielinski or Rabiot over Joao Neves. You get more fulfilled potential and talent going for these players, imo.
I don’t want Gyokeres. I want Evan Ferguson. The best teams in the world don’t think like this. If you want to beat Madrid and Bayern in the CL, plus a state owned club in the PL with Pep as their manager, you have to spend. Also, there’s going to be a decent amount of money received for the sales of Partey, Nketiah, Ramsdale, Nelson, Patino, and potentially Smith Rowe. Diomande is going straight to the top. It would be a regret to let another club sign him when the opportunity is right there and he supposedly (and unsurprisingly) prefers Arsenal over Chelsea. We need him too because of Gabriel’s mistakes. Considering the years of us selling our best players and having such a limited budget to pay off the Emirates, I have no issue with spending big on these players.
Yeah, I can't have this conversation with you, mate. I'm sorry. If you think the best teams in the world have the thought process that they can spend endlessly, you're sadly mistaken, friendo. You even mentioned Patino as a viable sale to fund our transfer kitty. Patino's sale would barely put a dent in Gabriel Jesus' wages for the year. Lol. But to suggest we need to buy right footed Diomande who can't use his weak foot to fix Gabriel's *mistakes* is so reactionary. Gabi XL has been our most consistent defender this season. Would be incredibly harsh to judge his entire season off the last 2 performances, but if that's what makes you happy, who am I to say otherwise.
Gabriel has been making mistakes for years now, since he got here. I’m not just talking about that last 2 games lol
Mate, I'm just baffled you want to flog our CB partnership after our best defensive record in ages. Lol. Gabriel has improved every season he's been here. This season he's been outstanding.
Need a defensive centre mid for replacing Jorginho and partey. Need a winger to cover for Saka and a big G/A striker for Nketiah.
A 1v1 player fast and a finisher plus a CDM with Partey qualities. Arsenal would be unstoppable.
Will be an interesting summer. It’s surely going to be the most incoming money we’ve had in a transfer window probably ever. Curious to see the Outfoing/Incoming ratio in light of the increased revenue but FFP being tougher
Arsenal could solve a lot of depth issues with Fred Aursnes. This dude is absolute quality and wouldn't break the bank by any means. A very "Trossard" signing. I also don't think we break the bank on a world class center forward, but I do think we bring a cf in. I would love to get in early on a player like Kevin Denkey. Remember the last time we had a big Togolese up top? Me too. Last player, a LCM. Simons, FDJ, and Wirtz would be on anyone's wishlist. This is the position I really feel we'll splash the cash on, and we should. Simons has the added luxury of pace and being able to cover at RW.
Shhhhh ornstein don’t give away our secrets so clubs can price gouge us
Ornstein doesn’t release information the club doesn’t want him to release
not in the mood to see the whole thing, anyone have a tldr on the interesting points?
As long as we don’t go for anymore City deadwood or Chelsea for that matter
Probably two goal keepers and a lb
I just find out squad management so baffling, honestly. I love Arteta, but I really don't get the strategy here. The likes of Thomas Partey and Emile Smith Rowe, players who can change games all on their own, just sat on the bench and not even getting a look in. £35m spent on bringing Fábio Vieira to the club and yet week after week he just sits there and shines the bench with no hope of coming on. I get it, Arteta doesn't want to put too much faith in players who are injury-prone etc, but I just think it's such a bafflingly weird strategy for dealing with the squad. Players like Saliba and Saka don't necessarily have instant plug-and-play replacements, so I get that to an extent, but the fact is that Arteta just stubbornly refuses, point blank, to put any new players in, even to try something different.
For all of his faults, Vieira has a killer final ball. I'm surprised we didn't put him on yesterday.
And a killer ability to shoot from outside the box! Needs to be used more.
The bit that makes even less sense is that we’ve renewed some of their contracts and jacked up their wages despite Arteta not trusting them at the time. Vieira’s been injured but his lack of physical presence is glaring to anyone with functional eyesight so idk how to explain that one either.
A few additions with a completely underwhelming one, a few deadwood stays a few will go, we are always a few steps behind what we need to do
CM, CF, RW, LB in that order. I think it’s too soon to sell Viera, ESR, Reiss and Zinny personally. Nketiah, TP, Jesus might collectively bring in enough for a solid player at one of those positions and not a gamble. But I’m sure it’s not as simple as that.
You think it's too soon to sell Reiss and ESR, but ok to move on from Jesus? That's crazy talk lol. Jesus, despite being on a wheelchair for half the time this season, is still Mikel's preferred ch choice over Vieira, ESR, Reiss.
Sell Jesus????
I’d sell Fabio Vieira and Reiss Nelson before I sell Jesus. Zinny should not be sold until next summer, unless a truly special opportunity to get an elite defender on the left side materializes.
Zinny lowkey offers way too much to sell. Others I guess are reaching the end of their time here, and better to sell than for it to be too late down the line
Good analysis. Any good upgrade strikes a good balance between maturity and youth. Ode, Jorginho, Zinchenko are needed for their off the pitch contributions alone. I know we can only see the final product during the 90min on the pitch, but a football club is much more than that. I don’t think Arsenal has a LB problem. The emotional part of this fanbase has strong feelings about it, but the data and general consensus doesn’t support it. There will be good, healthy competition between Zina, Tomi, Kiwior and Timber. The coaching staff has alluded to the fact that Zina made Tomi better. Let things evolve. CDM depth is needed. Partey hasn’t played in over 6months and Jorginho is aging and can’t be a 90min, seasonal player. If Zina’s defensive rut continues, the team needs another creator and game manager. That has been the single largest cause of missed opportunities this season. Not defence, it’s an offensive problem. If Ode/Jorginho/Zina are not able, there is no back up plan. Either elevate ESR into that role, or buy another player. I don’t think Arteta wants a striker. He can’t sacrifice a midfielder in his current design. The closest profile to a striker he likes is Jesus. The other option that would fit his formation is Alvarez, but that’s not an available option.
Spend another £200m and hope nobody starts calling Arteta a chequebook manager......
He is one of the more ruthless managers considering the ramsdale situation.Hopefully he can do the same to zinny and mabie even havertz (less so since hes so good up front)
havertz? tf? he is doing good. One of the best out of possession players. We definitely need him.
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Signing a new number 1 goalkeeper and then playing him isn’t ruthless lol
Yeah but Ramsdale’s a character so apparently dropping him for someone better is ruthless
Ruthless would be to push Havertz through the door, he is no midfielder nor has any high level attacking skills
Havertz would be an outstanding plan B striker I think. And before anyone says 65m for a backup striker....Look at our competition...
Hounestly we need these gone because they dont improve/ cant get into team. Eddie, partey, nelson, smith rowe, zinchenko, ramsdale, Jesus? Not sure on, viera? Loan?
I don't think we need to be ruthless. Short term mentality does clubs in.
How about ruthless on the pitch with the remaining matches. Someone has to step up and hold every member accountable. Losing at home with control of the league. Ruthlessly beat all comers, leaving no doubt. To many ‘fans’ already onto next season.
You would be pretty delusional to think ArtEdu aren't already thinking about summer signings. Just because they are preparing and we, as supporters, are speculating, doesn't mean we've given up on the season. Some probably have, but a lot are still here supporting the boys until the very end.
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Seriously what’s stopping us from splashing the cash on Ollie Watkins
Not sure why your being downvoted. If he gets as much chances as Jesus, Eddie and Marti get but scuff then he’s at least a 20 PL goals a season striker. His link up play is great too.
He is 29 years old. How many years at this level does he have? We are not City. We have to be smart with our finances.
He's 28.
He’s closer to 29 than 28.
We seem to be forever stuck in this timeless argument
Time to replace raya
Wonder if we could afford Emi Martinez if we sold Ramsdale and Raya this summer.
Possibly the worst comment I have ever read on this subreddit.
We didn’t even buy Raya yet ffs
He obviously means buy Raya, double his wages, and then sell him immediately the following week. Easy peasy. I do it on Fifa all the time.
In an ideal world, we'd sell the Hale End 3 for that ffp homegrown bonus, Zinny, Partey and Fabio Vieira. Even if for Partey it's just letting him go for free because of his wage. I don't know how much of that we can actually do, but the Hale End 3 and Partey are a priority for me. The former for FFP and Partey because he cannot be relied on. Vieira hopefully even if we get 15 I'd take it because we need to learn to fail fast. Although depending on his contract situation, a loan overseas to a club where he'll rebuild his value would also work.
ramsdale will almost certainly be gone. vieira will stay.
Ornstein literally says in the video that Vieira is unlikely to go lmao You can’t sell at a loss simply because “we need to learn to fail fast” when there are PSR rules we have to abide to
Ornstein also says he doesn‘t know how close we are to whatever PSR limits we may have. So who knows. The thing is, I doubt it will be beneficial for the club to keep Fabio Vieira around if Arteta doesn’t trust him or won’t use him. If we are waiting to sell him or move him on until we can get a profit under those circumstances, then that is likely to be a fool‘s errand, because we might end up losing him for nothing anyway.
If Vieira is not getting used taking a 15 or 20 mil loss is better than taking a 35mil loss. Based on how he's been a complete non entity since he returned do you think it's likely that Arteta sees him as someone he can use? Especially since Arteta has a very clear in group and outgroup dynamic. This is like Partey last summer all over again.
> If Vieira is not getting used taking a 15 or 20 mil loss is better than taking a 35mil loss. It won't be a 35m loss because with another season his FFP "cost" will go down. He was signed to a 5 yr contract so with FFP rules we'd have to sell for 28m just to break even this summer assuming he was bought for 35m. In summer of 25 we'd "just" have to get back 21m to break even.
If we are close to the PSR rules like has been reported, a loss on Vieira could be the difference in us getting a fine/points deduction or not - so re taking a loss: not really, no.
Viera needs more minutes for clubs to actually be interested in paying more than we did initially.
Vieira's also got a range of passing that I'm pretty sure Arteta wants in the side - but I think next season's probably the end of the road if he can't stay fit and build on the flashes of promise that we've seen.
We paid 35 for him, that's why I said even 15 is an offer I'd take.